1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Now Mark Mitchell is with us along with Jimmy Anderson. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: Good morning to both in you too, both. Good morning, 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 2: Mike morning, good morning. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Like I've never learned to speak English. 5 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 3: How's how is? 6 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 2: Mark? 7 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for getting up because its 8 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: call a pass four in the morning. Or did you 9 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: not go to bed? 10 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 4: I didn't really go to bed because we got by 11 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 4: the time we arrived at midnight and then by the 12 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 4: time we sort of got sworded into the hotel, so 13 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 4: I hade some reading to do. So no, no, of 14 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 4: course you know that I loyally try to be on 15 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 4: the show. I found out an experience when we had 16 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,959 Speaker 4: cyclone Gabriel how the listeners on the show turn up 17 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 4: and when I was over there, I mean, you know, 18 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 4: we don't talk about this often, but the amount of 19 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 4: misages that came through and that makes it that made 20 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 4: a huge difference for the people on the ground, so 21 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 4: people bother tuning to us. So I just make the effort, 22 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 4: and I think that that I want to turn up 23 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 4: for the show. 24 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: Good on. You take us through the journey. Was it 25 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: three or four days to get from Auckland to China? 26 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 4: It probably felt like four, but it was too the 27 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 4: journey was outstanding. Our New Zealand Defense Force personnel, particularly 28 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 4: Air Force, and the way they operate the seven five 29 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 4: seven there was flawless. We're to stop and Ken's a 30 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 4: refuel and then to stop in Singapore and then through 31 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 4: to Shanghai. 32 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: So no, it's been through. It's been a good trip. 33 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: Isn't it funny? Because I was talking to him blux 34 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: and about that the other day. He had you stopping 35 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: in Darwin and Manila. So the fact that you stopped 36 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: in Ken's and Singapore indicates that for a man who 37 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: ran an airline, I'm just thinking to myself. 38 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 4: Jeez, well he's I mean, he's completely dependent on the 39 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 4: advice that he gets from Defense and they will take 40 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 4: the best, most efficient route to sort of get us here. 41 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 4: But ultimately those are operational decisions for them, and that's 42 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 4: the way that we came was and it was it 43 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 4: was good. I mean, you know, huge respect to our 44 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 4: delegation and our keywis that come on these things. We 45 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 4: don't have the most modern technology. It's maybe not the 46 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: most comfortable flight of the world, but our Air Force. 47 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: People are outstanding and Dane's got an incredibly strong. 48 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: And interest well Okay, just move. I know you're on 49 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: a bonafhone mark, so just move because that's I think 50 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: your prepay might be. Jenny. As far as scrutiny weeks concerned, 51 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: let me come back to yesterday and your two potty 52 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: mouth colleagues. Is that what's happening here? I mean, I 53 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: mean what happened there? 54 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 2: Do you know? 55 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: No, I don't think that's an accurate reflection of what 56 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: actually happens in scrutiny week. So I've had seven ministers 57 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: so far, and we've been working really long hours to 58 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: be able to drill into part to the budget and 59 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: ask questions to understand where money's being spent, and we're directions. 60 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: Going is is it descended in your view? Because I 61 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: remember you came on this probram was it one or two? 62 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 1: How long scrutiny? Is this a second year or third year? 63 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: I think it's the third Yeah, yeah. 64 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: Because the first year I remember you you were quite 65 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: bullish about it and it was interesting and it was 66 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: a bit different, and I just wondered if, as I 67 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: watched Webb and Russell yesterday and the and the swearing 68 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: and stuff, whether it's got a bit acrimonious because the 69 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: fun fact has gone and now you're just backing into 70 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 1: hating each other. 71 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: Well, remember we always do this. There's two cycles in 72 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: the budget where we're analyzing it, so that's just longer 73 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: periods of time and dedicated in a week. So it's 74 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 3: still the same process that what politicians have always done. 75 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 3: Ministers front up and answer questions about the budget. So 76 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: it just means that there should be by standing orders, 77 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 3: longer periods of time when ministers are being questioned through 78 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: scrut in new week. And some have changed. So we're 79 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: still debating that because some have cut their times right 80 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: back just to fifteen minutes and that's not what our 81 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: standing orders specified for ministers. 82 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: Is it still fruitful? 83 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: I think so, Like you get to talk to things 84 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: like I talked with Mark about police performance measures and 85 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: how they've been lowered. He denies that they have been 86 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: and I debate that it's pretty clear from the budget 87 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: that they have been lowered. So you get to talk 88 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: about parts of the budget that are quite drilling down 89 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: into detail that otherwise you wouldn't have that opportunity to 90 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: talk about. 91 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 4: Well, what I had six hours of hearings on Monday, 92 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 4: and they don't need twenty minutes, so very weak. They 93 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 4: don't come very well prepared. The questions aren't very good. 94 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 4: So you know, probably twenty minutes is all you need 95 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: in reality, but we gave them. I gave them an 96 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 4: hour and a half an hour, half an air half 97 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 4: and a half an hour and half an hour on 98 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 4: my on my, you know, scrutiny hearings. 99 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: Okay, make Indigenous people what specifically you're going to be doing. 100 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: Well, Firstly, I'm back because Glenn and Sam shows some 101 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 4: true keying to do it and it's staying on one 102 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 4: leg and hold onto a coating, so hopefully, hopefully that's 103 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 4: going to work. 104 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: Sorry, Indigenous people, can you ask questions again? 105 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: That's your capacity in which you are in China. What 106 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: is it you're doing there and what. 107 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: Are we doing you? 108 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 4: Well, we've got a very powerful business delegation here, so 109 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 4: we're going to be dealing with a whole lot of things. 110 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: Obviously trade, help, food, education, it, we've got a very 111 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 4: we've got our Kappa Hockey group here that won matter 112 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 4: two any that part of that. So it's just we're 113 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: only best is for years of auret here selling New Zealand. 114 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 4: We're out here solidifying that trading relationship with China, which 115 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: is critically important for US as a country, especially the 116 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 4: time when you see the out of instability around the world. 117 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: How do you dumptail them? And your Bonna fine is 118 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: a very good example of this. The relationship we have 119 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: with China is a complex one. You're on a Berna 120 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: fine for obvious reasons, and yet you want to do 121 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: more and more business with China, isn't it strange? 122 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: Well, only you just you highlight it. 123 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 4: We live in a complex world and there's there's some 124 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 4: things that countries do that we don't agree with, as 125 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 4: kiwis and New Zealand's we highlight that those but there's 126 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 4: also really important with parts of the relationship that we 127 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 4: want to foster and strength and do. And obviously our 128 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: trading relationship with China has been with us for a 129 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 4: long long time. 130 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: We have a free trade agreement with us. 131 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: They're a big part of what we do and a 132 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 4: big part of support in our economy, and so you know, 133 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: we've got to maintain those relationships. 134 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: Ginny, did you hear sim and Brown earlier? 135 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: I had parts of it as right, what is your I. 136 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: Just cannot get to the bottom of it. What's you 137 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: And this was Asha Verial yesterday, what's your fundamental problem? 138 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: If they can get the registrar thing in a contract 139 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: with a private operator and also do more operations, what's 140 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: wrong with that? 141 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 3: Because there's not two workforces. There's not a magic private 142 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: workforce and a public workforce. There's one workforce. So you 143 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: don't get extra work. You just take things into private. 144 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 3: Private still cops costs more, and it leaves all the 145 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: complex more surgeries in the public system. After k is 146 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: still in the public system, and it will send the 147 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: workforce with those longer contracts he's putting in place, the 148 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: workforce will go into private. So as you've really picked 149 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 3: out trainee doctors can't get those hours up. Yeah, but 150 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: if they fix that, but the chronic problem is workforce shortages. 151 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: And so there's still the same number of doctors here. 152 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: But find okay in most doctors though, Jenny work in 153 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: public and private. So Mike the surgeon works a bit 154 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: in public and a bit in private. When I go 155 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: to private, if I end up doing some of the 156 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: public work, what does it matter? And and for for 157 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: the for the record, the surgeon we had on the 158 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: other day set it is actually cheaper anyway, So be 159 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: that does it make if you utilize me and my 160 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: skills more often, that's good, isn't it. 161 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: Well, that's good in the short term, and it has 162 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: we've we've worked as well to do some of those short, 163 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: quick and easy surgeries in the in the private system, 164 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: But long term of a ten year contracts, it doesn't 165 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: fix the problem that there's a chronic underfunding and there's 166 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: a workforce shortage. We don't have more doctors. We just 167 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: have doctors doing short, quicker surgeries in the public So 168 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: the underlying problems aren't being addressed by doing this. 169 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: Labored in the story doesn't like the private sector. 170 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: Doesn't You always say that you don't even. 171 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: Know it's true. It's true. 172 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: Well, you're fighting against the private sector stepping in. 173 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: I didn't say that. I just said that we used 174 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: it as well. I just said that we used it 175 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: as well. 176 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: Do we support that. We're going to do that. 177 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 4: The last time we're in government, Mike, we started reducing 178 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: waiting lists waiting times because we partner between public and 179 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 4: private and we're going to do the same thing again. 180 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: So you can't argue, Ginny when you when you do 181 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: nine thousand and something more elective surgeries. Those people who 182 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: got those surgeries are happy punters and they got a 183 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: better service, and they'll they'll they'll they'll back that vote 184 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: for that, won't they. 185 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: I completely agree, But it does not fix the problem. 186 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: We need more doctors across vote. It's the same doctor. 187 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: It's the same doctor because it gives you short term gains, 188 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: but over a longer period of time when you need more, 189 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: please finish because it leaves the more complex surgeries and 190 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: the public system. It leaves after here in the public system, 191 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: and those things aren't being fixed. It's a short term 192 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: fix that's great, yes, But as a long term solution 193 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: for the underfunding, more. 194 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: Doctors, more doctors, that's a separate issue, isn't it. That's 195 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: opening up places in med school and bringing in people 196 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: from offshore and stuff like that. That's a completely separate thing, completely. 197 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: But these Mike's the same doctor in public and private, 198 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: and Mike can only do. 199 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 4: And Simon's got a plan for that, and he's worth 200 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 4: it on that. Last time, last time we were in government, 201 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 4: we started reducing the massive wait list that we had 202 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 4: under the previous labor government, and elective surgeries again that done. 203 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 4: We're setting targets and we're doing the same thing again. 204 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 4: I just think that's a blind ideology so that the 205 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 4: private sector doesn't have a roll. 206 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: On the election campaign. I suspect, Mark, what time are you? 207 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: What's your first appointment today? 208 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 4: My first appointment is at quarter past six this morning, 209 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 4: and I'm meeting with the visit. Yeah, and we're going 210 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 4: to I'm meeting with the Business delegation. So that we start, 211 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 4: we get organized, we know what we want to achieve, 212 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 4: and we and we plan out the day because the 213 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 4: Prime Minister will be doing he'll be popping in and 214 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 4: out with the Business Delegation, but he's got other things 215 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 4: that he'll be off doing as well. 216 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: Right, you go, Well to you too. 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