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Speaker 1: It looks like we've got a back down already on

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Speaker 1: the hospital visiting ours. The plan was to allow twenty

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Speaker 1: four to seven visiting hours for a designated family member.

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Speaker 1: This caused outrage and so this afternoon Health New Zealand

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Speaker 1: has released a statement saying that following feedback, they will

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Speaker 1: review the plan. Ol Diachin from the New Zealand Nurses

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Speaker 1: Organization is with us. Hey, al hi, do you welcome

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Speaker 1: this review?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: You know, like I just wanted to make it clear

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Speaker 2: anyway that ENDED is not opposed to obviously find our

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Speaker 2: patients centered care. And you know there's aspects of the

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Speaker 2: policy that are very positive, positive, but you know there

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Speaker 2: are some major concerns that we did have.

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Speaker 1: What were your concerns?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that the main concern is safe staffing.

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Speaker 2: There has been a precedent and there seems to be

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Speaker 2: a creep when it comes to what's called patient watchers,

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Speaker 2: when healthcare assistants who are members of ENDED in O

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Speaker 2: care for patients on a close observation process. And the

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Speaker 2: due to the chronic short stuffing of eight c's due

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Speaker 2: to you know, successive governments under funding of health, it

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Speaker 2: means that with these patient watches. There are times when

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Speaker 2: family members are kind of encouraged to help out, and

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Speaker 2: you know, our concern is that, you know, if the

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Speaker 2: issue is around helping with a patient that's that's needing

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Speaker 2: a patient watch, that needs eightcas that are trained to

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Speaker 2: be doing that and not expecting the family to do

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Speaker 2: it for free.

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Speaker 1: Well, is what they had planned to do, which is

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Speaker 1: to allow one designated person to be there twenty four

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Speaker 1: seven if they want to. Is that all that different

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Speaker 1: from what they do at the.

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Speaker 2: Moment, No, it's not. You know, currently there's no you know,

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Speaker 2: super restrictive policy. I don't think, you know, like in

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Speaker 2: a lot of places, there's always the opportunity for a

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Speaker 2: family member to stay with the patient and you know,

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Speaker 2: to to to support them, and that's welcomed. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we we think that's a great thing. But again it's

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Speaker 2: it's the main concern was that you know, with patient watchers,

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Speaker 2: and this is where there's there's a close observation by

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Speaker 2: a healthcare assistant with the patient who might have a

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Speaker 2: delirium or has dementia, and it's it's essentially to keep

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Speaker 2: them safe to a system with toileting and with feeding

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Speaker 2: and to stop them from interrupting therapies like pulling on

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Speaker 2: catheters or ov lines and and that kind of things,

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Speaker 2: and preventing fall. So it's really about having trained h

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Speaker 2: c as available to to care for patients that require

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Speaker 2: this service. And so, you know, while it's good to

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Speaker 2: have family support, we we shouldn't be doing it at

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Speaker 2: the expense of you know, basically a shortage of.

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Speaker 1: H c as. Al. Thanks very much, appreciate it. I'm L. D. Christian,

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