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Speaker 1: Murray Old's Ozzie corresponding with us now mus.

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: So what is going on with Orcus?

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Speaker 2: Well, according to the Defense Minister Richard Mayley, just played

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Speaker 2: that grab nothing to see here, he says Joe Hockey,

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Speaker 2: who of course is a form a former Liberal Treasurer

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Speaker 2: under Tony Abbott, also a former American Australian ambassador to

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Speaker 2: the United States. He said, listen, nothing to see here.

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Speaker 2: Australia should keep going with the Orcast plan. Scott Morrison

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Speaker 2: signed the deal, of course, and snubbed the French and

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Speaker 2: doing so. But a lot of people in this country

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Speaker 2: now are saying, for God's sake, grab this opportunity to

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Speaker 2: run one hundred miles an hour away from Orcus. If

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Speaker 2: we ever get submarines, will have paid four hundred million

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Speaker 2: dollars for technology that's going to be out of date

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Speaker 2: before they even hit the water. And that's the big concern.

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Speaker 2: I mean. At the same time, I mean Pete has

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Speaker 2: get that, you know, Awarding Buffet, who's in charge of

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Speaker 2: American defense spending, he said the other day Australia, lift

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Speaker 2: your jet. You know you're spending on defense to three

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Speaker 2: and a half percent of GDP. That's a whole percentage

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Speaker 2: point above what it is now. And I mean rightly,

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Speaker 2: I think most Australians would say, Anthony Albaneze, you got

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Speaker 2: it right, he's an hang on a second sport, will

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Speaker 2: decide what we spend money on for our own defense. Now,

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Speaker 2: you know, let's be quite frank Without the United States,

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Speaker 2: Australia is sitting here like a plucked chicken. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: between us. And you know, if President she wants to

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Speaker 2: come down the turnpike and say I quite like Darwin,

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Speaker 2: I'll I'll have Darwin, well, he's going to stop him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is Australia can't afford

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Speaker 2: to spend any more money. And we can't afford to

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Speaker 2: spend four hundred billion dollars in today's dollars on submarines.

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Speaker 1: Course no, yeah, well you can't afford to buy those submarines.

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Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. But of course you can afford to spend

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Speaker 1: more on defense, and frankly, you may just have to,

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Speaker 1: like we may just have to. But isn't that what

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Speaker 1: this is really about, muss Isn't this is this review

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Speaker 1: just design to actually put pressure on you guys to

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Speaker 1: lift your spending.

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Speaker 2: Quite possibly, yes, indeed, and maybe there's a quid pro

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Speaker 2: quote to be had here. That's what other people are

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Speaker 2: saying here. What about the United States crude American nuclear submarines?

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Speaker 2: What about if they rotate through Australian waters Perth, Sydney,

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Speaker 2: up in Brisbane, Melbourne and so on. I mean, Australia

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Speaker 2: has no capacity to crewe these subs. We haven't got

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Speaker 2: the sub mariners to do that. The obsolete old subs

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Speaker 2: we've got now it's just pie in the sky. So

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Speaker 2: maybe this is a chance to scrap the submarine deal

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Speaker 2: spend more money on more relevant defense. I mean, have

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Speaker 2: a look what Ukraine's doing with drones. For goodness sake.

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Speaker 2: Does Australia invest in iron dome technology for ports like Darwin?

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Speaker 2: That could be a jumping off point for US forces

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Speaker 2: to go and take on the Chinese. There's a million

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Speaker 2: ways to spend money. Is the current expenditure worthwhile in

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Speaker 2: the long term? I hope that's what is going to

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Speaker 2: come out of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair point. Okay, Now, how did it go down

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Speaker 1: with you guys? The sanctioning of those couple of Israeli ministers?

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Speaker 2: What has been muted. You know, I haven't heard the

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Speaker 2: opposition saying, oh, it's dreadful and the government's very forthright.

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Speaker 2: Penny Wong said, these guys, these two ministers are the

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Speaker 2: most extreme. I'm quoting out the most extreme proponents of

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Speaker 2: the unlawful and violent expansion of Israeli settlements. The Israeli

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Speaker 2: ambassador is not impressed. I mean, that's fair enough. But

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Speaker 2: Australia says, listen, these two ministers, and I was not

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Speaker 2: aware of this, but they recently joined a group marching

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Speaker 2: through the Muslim quarter of Jerusalem chanting death to Arabs. Well,

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Speaker 2: if that's the way the Israeli government wants to conduct itself,

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Speaker 2: these two fellas deserve to have sanctions apply applied against them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we are in good company New Zealand, Canada,

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Speaker 2: I think Great Britain and Norway have all signed this.

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Speaker 2: As long as Australia's on its own and these two people,

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Speaker 2: I mean is what does say to the rest of

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Speaker 2: the world of these two ministers, these hard right ministers

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Speaker 2: and the Israeli government that net Niah has stitched together.

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Speaker 2: He can't form one of his own, he has to

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Speaker 2: have this coalition. What does it say, if the world

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Speaker 2: turns a blind eye to what these halfwits are saying. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's just it's dreadful, don't you think.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I have got no problem with sanctioning them whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: I think it's bad.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't even know if it's

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Speaker 1: bloody enough at all. Hey, Mauz, thank you. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Marrie Old's Australia correspondent, Geez, wouldn't you love something to

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Speaker 1: be done about Gaza to sort that out?

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