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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack tam podcast

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Speaker 1: from Newstalks d B start your weekend off in style.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Taine and bpew it dot co

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Speaker 2: Mod Inakoto. Good morning and welcome to News Talks ed V.

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Speaker 2: Jack Tame with you through to twelve o'clock this Saturday morning.

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Speaker 2: It was the twist that defined the first season of

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Speaker 2: what many consider is the most expensive TV show ever made.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm not talking about Game of Thrones. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about Amazon's Rings of Power, Lord of the Rings spinoff,

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Speaker 2: and it was a pretty extraordinary twist even if you're

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Speaker 2: not a massive Tolkien fan. At the best of times,

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Speaker 2: this character who was kind of dumbdy doo dumbdy doo

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Speaker 2: all season turned out in the season finale to bed

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Speaker 2: d Din spoiler alert Saln. Anyway, the guy who was

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Speaker 2: playing Sourn as it turned out in season one the

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Speaker 2: Rings of Power, Charlie Vickers, is going to be with

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Speaker 2: us after ten o'clock this morning as season two kicks off,

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Speaker 2: So really looking forward to that. Before then, if you're

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Speaker 2: looking forward to a bit of a treat this weekend

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Speaker 2: a delicious dessert. We're going to share with you a

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Speaker 2: tamarillo and walnut meringue slice recipe. This has got walnut

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Speaker 2: meal in it, you know, almond meal at ground almonds

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Speaker 2: has got the walnut equivalent that I, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: didn't even really know was a thing. But apparently this

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Speaker 2: is delicious. So we're going to share that with you

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Speaker 2: very shortly. Right now, it's eight minutes past nine, Jack Team,

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Speaker 2: can you play banana Grams in space? Something tells me

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Speaker 2: that with the whole gravity situation, they perhaps don't recommend

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Speaker 2: anything with lots of little parts, anything that's kind of

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Speaker 2: hard to keep as a full set on Earth is

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Speaker 2: automatically disqualified from the International Space Station. So no banana Grams,

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Speaker 2: no Monopoly, no scrabble either. But butch Wilmore and Sonny

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Speaker 2: Williams are going to have to find something to fill

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Speaker 2: their time. An hour from now, the Boeing space vehicle

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Speaker 2: that transferred them up to the space station is going

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Speaker 2: to undock, propel itself into the Earth's atmosphere, and, hopefully,

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Speaker 2: for the sake of Boeing's ever sinking sheer price and

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Speaker 2: diminished reputation, Land safely in a New Mexico desert. Butch

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Speaker 2: and Sonny, however, will be stuck with no way home,

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Speaker 2: orbiting the Earth at twenty eight thousand kilometers an hour.

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Speaker 2: I love space. I love it right, I love I

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Speaker 2: love the mind melting distances and sizes, the extremes of

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Speaker 2: energy and heat. I love the endlessness of it all,

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Speaker 2: the endlessness of the unknown, supermassive black holes. I love

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Speaker 2: the maths, even though I don't really understand it. And

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Speaker 2: given human life gets its richness from relationships, meaningful work,

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Speaker 2: and diverse experiences, there you go, go and put those

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Speaker 2: three things on a tea towel. I would love to

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Speaker 2: visit space. Sunny and Butch of course felt the same way.

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Speaker 2: And when they took off in Boeing's Starliner on June fifth,

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Speaker 2: they thought that they would be back on Earth just

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Speaker 2: eight days later. But of course that's not what's happened.

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Speaker 2: Three months on. Boeing has been humiliated. Its first crude

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Speaker 2: mission has had problems that can't be fully solved remotely,

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Speaker 2: and the capsule will have to return to Earth empty.

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Speaker 2: Butch and Sunni thought they were going to space for

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Speaker 2: eight days. By the time they're flowing back in February

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Speaker 2: next year, they'll have been orbiting the Earth for eight months. Instead,

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Speaker 2: what's what's the longest commercial flight you've ever been on?

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Speaker 2: Just for context sake, to try and compare ourselves to

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Speaker 2: Butcher and soon He, see, mine was about seventeen hours. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: a commercial passenger flight is more cramped and less interesting

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Speaker 2: than a few laps on the International Space Station. But

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Speaker 2: in this smart phone age, nothing has more thoroughly convinced

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Speaker 2: me that I don't have the necessary attention span or

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Speaker 2: temperament for long stints in one place, like a twelve

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Speaker 2: hour stopover in a lower tier international airport so boring

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Speaker 2: newslash Jack Tame would struggle in prison. The good news

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Speaker 2: is that Butcher and soon He can talk to their families,

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Speaker 2: they can do a bit of exercise, they can socialize

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Speaker 2: with other astronauts, and presumably NASA stumps for a Netflix subscription.

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Speaker 2: But the one thing they can't do easily is return

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Speaker 2: does funny things to your head. So would you do it?

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Speaker 2: Would you? Would you go knowing that a week on

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Speaker 2: would still leap at the chance. Still I reckon one

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Speaker 2: trip might be enough. Team nine two is our text number.

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Speaker 2: Before ten, our film reviewer has been to see Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice.

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Speaker 2: This has had so much hype. I've seen the trailer.

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Speaker 2: It does look great, actually, so it has a really

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Speaker 2: we will tell you about that very shortly. Next up,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Milner will get us underway for a Saturday together.

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Speaker 2: It's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame. This is

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Speaker 1: Of way to kick off your weekend, then with Jack

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Team and bepwured on codt Enzen

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Speaker 2: NB Aaron on the email this morning, Good morning Jack. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I too felt sorry for the astronauts stranded up there

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Speaker 2: eight months as a hell of an extension, But just

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Speaker 2: think of the overtime pay and hey, not much to

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Speaker 2: spend your money on while they're up there. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a that's a good point. I did actually look it up.

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Speaker 2: I think this salary astronauts a salary, so I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure they necessarily get overtime, but they probably can reasonably

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Speaker 2: expect a few days off once they do hit a

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Speaker 2: firmer next year, Jack, What are the astronauts doing for food?

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Speaker 2: No one pacts enough food for eight months of going

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Speaker 2: away for a week, says Donna. I think the good news, Donna,

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Speaker 2: is that the International Space Station does have plenty of reserves.

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Speaker 2: There are some other astronauts who are currently at the

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Speaker 2: But as well as that, they flew up a special

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Speaker 2: rather than food being a concern, because you know, they

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Speaker 2: So that was the initial concern. But for the time being,

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Speaker 2: they've got enough to get them through to next February

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Speaker 2: at the very least. The question is, though, what will

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Speaker 2: happen if that gets pushed back. Tety two is the

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Speaker 2: text number if you want to get in touch. Kevin

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Speaker 2: Miller is all with us this morning. Kilder Kevin, I

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Speaker 2: how funny Jack.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've often thought about you. You've achieved so

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Speaker 3: much in your career or radio. I've often thought to themselves,

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Speaker 3: now you reveal this morning that you look up the

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Speaker 3: Internet to find out how much astronauts salary is.

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Speaker 2: Well, are you not interested by that? I think it's fascinating.

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Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, they get they're in they're in

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Speaker 2: Don't you think?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, did you where did you actually look up

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Speaker 3: astronauts sealery?

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Speaker 2: Well? This is this is my favorite social media platform,

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Speaker 2: so that you can. Because their federal employees in America,

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Speaker 2: to be an astronaut, you have to be a certain

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Speaker 2: for NASA anytime soon with my qualifications. As much as

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Speaker 2: just after ten o'clock New Zealand time that the capsule,

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Speaker 3: them fund more protection against online scammers. They're looking for

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Speaker 3: my eye because this week, my own good self, Kevin Milne,

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Speaker 3: to being ripped off when his wife said, sure, it's

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Speaker 3: not a scam. It was just enough to stop me

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Speaker 3: pushing send to one of the biggest online scams around

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Speaker 3: at the moment, the fake vehicle license for renewal reminder scam. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but by then I'd entered my credit card details, though

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Speaker 3: in so to be on the safe side. Anyway, I

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Speaker 3: canceled the car and it appears nothing's been taken from

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Speaker 3: know every scam going. I think I broke the first

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Speaker 3: ever story in New Zealand about Nigeria scams. What got

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Speaker 3: me with this one was the scammers that were using

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Speaker 3: first of all, the New Zealand Transport Agencies logos, and

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Speaker 3: they knew all the details of MACAR. A bit of

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Speaker 3: The email addresses email at VPS stroke FAFDB eight five

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Speaker 3: but I hadn't checked that anyway, Jack, I've now sent

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Speaker 3: a donation to Consume in New Zealand and I urged

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Speaker 3: listeners to do the same. I think something like one

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty five million dollars has been scammed from

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Speaker 3: I'm not certain about that. They're just in the back

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Speaker 3: of my mind that's the figure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, wouldn't it be awful?

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Speaker 3: It's the Consuming New Zealand campaign. This is a terrible

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Speaker 3: Really wouldn't it be awful if the Consuming New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I've checked that out. It's legit and

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Speaker 3: So then you're onto there on their page and you'll

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, very wise. Do you know, Kevin, and I

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Speaker 2: my goodness, the only thing worse than Kevin being scammed

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the best advice with these things

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Speaker 2: Jack wondering why the women on the space station have

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Speaker 2: for that, Tony. Time to catch up with our sporto

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Speaker 2: Andrew Sabil So, I do you ever wonder about that

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Speaker 5: The in the in the I think you're talking about astronauts.

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Speaker 2: I was talking about both. Really, you know, you know,

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Speaker 5: Remember Kathy Freeman, Remember she ran on that full body

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Speaker 2: And that worked, didn't it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you know I after you and I

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Speaker 5: I think it was a sixty four to sixty fifth minute.

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Speaker 2: I think, I think, I think, I think I think this.

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Speaker 2: I think it's not starting to I think we're there,

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Speaker 5: I mean, very difficult in the first half, doesn't tears.

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Speaker 5: There's been chopping and changing. Yes, I've had a couple

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Speaker 2: Don't forget a course that Elliott Smith is going to

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Speaker 2: have the game call live for us, the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: whether you are Maldi or not. I feel like all

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders can share in that and can appreciate that

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Speaker 2: and value it because, you know, like Mardi dim is

432
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Speaker 2: obviously unique to our country. And it struck me that

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Speaker 2: nothing in the park here New Zealand world, at least

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Speaker 2: nothing in my world has anything like the kind of

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Speaker 2: the kind of ceremony and the majesty of that process

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Speaker 2: the other day. Nothing makes the same kind of connection

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Speaker 2: between people and their ancestors and the land. I just

438
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Speaker 2: think it was really special and and you know, honestly,

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Speaker 2: I can't think of anything save maybe like a natural

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Speaker 2: disaster where a community of people as big as the

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Speaker 2: one at two Doongawaii comes together with basically no notice

442
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Speaker 2: whatsoever to work for a common cause. And yeah, you

443
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Speaker 2: know from from the big grand set pieces, you know,

444
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Speaker 2: the waka making their way down the river and the

445
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Speaker 2: king here going to the top of the mona, from

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Speaker 2: the fire corded or you know, the speakers and all

447
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Speaker 2: of the hakka right right through to the train to

448
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Speaker 2: who you are being commissioned for a special journey. I

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Speaker 2: just I personally found the whole thing really moving and

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Speaker 2: really really precious.

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Speaker 7: Jack he.

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Speaker 8: Is that is that.

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Speaker 9: He lied gol on me.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: That is Harry Belafonte, of course, and that is the

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Speaker 2: theme song to Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice one of our films for

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Speaker 2: this week hitting cinemas now. Our film review of Francesca

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Speaker 2: Rudkin is with us this morning. Kilda, good morning.

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Speaker 10: I think you're probably too young to have even been

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Speaker 10: to the original Beetle Juice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I'm too young, but I didn't

462
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Speaker 2: go to the original Beetle Juice. That's that's, you know,

463
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Speaker 2: truth be told. But I have been very excited about

464
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Speaker 2: this one because I know that Tim Burton has an

465
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Speaker 2: amazing kind of esthetic. So as soon as the trailer

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Speaker 2: was released, I was keenly looking at it, and I'm

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Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing it in cinema. So let's have

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Speaker 2: a quick Listen. This is beetle Juice. Beetle juice.

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Speaker 4: Whose beetlejuice?

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Speaker 11: Ever say that name?

471
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Speaker 12: I am serious?

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Speaker 8: And three times you will appear.

473
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Speaker 9: Betlejuice.

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Speaker 11: The juice is loose, the je It's so good.

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Speaker 10: It's interesting because I wasn't a huge FANI when it

476
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Speaker 10: was released in nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 8: I loved Tim Burton.

478
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Speaker 10: I got I you know, it was incredible to watch

479
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Speaker 10: this unique, crazy vision of his unfold.

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Speaker 8: I love the art, direction and all the quirk, but

481
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Speaker 8: in a way, the style kind of overran the substance

482
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Speaker 8: a little bit from me.

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Speaker 10: That's just my that's just my memory from a film

484
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Speaker 10: that was released thirty five years ago. So I was

485
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Speaker 10: kind of like, ah, yeah, okay, here we go again.

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Speaker 10: This is Hollywood, this is its wheelhouse. We love a sequel.

487
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Speaker 10: We love to go back to things that were popular

488
00:26:04,093 --> 00:26:05,413
Speaker 10: in the past. It's a good way to make it

489
00:26:05,413 --> 00:26:07,053
Speaker 10: a little bit of bank. I can see what they're

490
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Speaker 10: doing here. They're going to make some money off our nostalgia.

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Speaker 8: And then she I enjoyed it a lot more than

492
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Speaker 8: I thought I would.

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Speaker 10: It's not as powerful as the original. We probably have

494
00:26:16,733 --> 00:26:19,813
Speaker 10: come a long way when it comes to films disrupting

495
00:26:20,653 --> 00:26:23,453
Speaker 10: sort of mainstream films and what we kind of expect.

496
00:26:23,733 --> 00:26:26,933
Speaker 10: It's not a hugely complicated plot, but it was just

497
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Speaker 10: actually a heap of fun being back in this world.

498
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Speaker 10: I think the music and if you go and see this,

499
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Speaker 10: the music and the scenes where they're kind of doing

500
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Speaker 10: little musical numbers are just brilliant and it just put

501
00:26:38,693 --> 00:26:40,453
Speaker 10: a big smile on my face. There's a lot of

502
00:26:40,613 --> 00:26:43,733
Speaker 10: fun here in this film. I think it's going to

503
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Speaker 10: attract a new audience as well. I took my almost

504
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Speaker 10: sixteen year old daughter because it had been known a

505
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Speaker 10: writer in it, and she's a fan of Stranger Things

506
00:26:51,173 --> 00:26:53,613
Speaker 10: and she was really keen to see it. So I

507
00:26:53,693 --> 00:26:56,133
Speaker 10: think having that original cast when I'm a writer in

508
00:26:56,213 --> 00:26:59,813
Speaker 10: Katine O'Hara, who's just so good, Michael Keaton, You've got

509
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Speaker 10: a few newies in there who fit in really well,

510
00:27:02,253 --> 00:27:06,133
Speaker 10: and Justin Thureau and Monica Balucci. You know, it all

511
00:27:06,533 --> 00:27:09,973
Speaker 10: comes together in kind of what you would expect. And

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Speaker 10: the other thing I love about Tim Burton is in

513
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Speaker 10: this day and age where when things a little when

514
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Speaker 10: we do things differently in cinema, often we rely on

515
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Speaker 10: computer generated effects, and he does that here, but he

516
00:27:21,373 --> 00:27:25,453
Speaker 10: also does really classic old filmmaking where a lot of

517
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Speaker 10: the dead people in their crazy ways are actually just

518
00:27:28,293 --> 00:27:29,333
Speaker 10: you know, the in camera.

519
00:27:29,493 --> 00:27:31,693
Speaker 8: It's all props and you know, a little bit of

520
00:27:31,773 --> 00:27:34,853
Speaker 8: old fashioned filmmaking going on here, which is great fun

521
00:27:34,893 --> 00:27:35,373
Speaker 8: to enjoy.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, go go.

523
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Speaker 10: If you're a fan, you're going to love it. But

524
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Speaker 10: I also think it will attract a new audience as well.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Okay, that's beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Now, let's have a listen

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Speaker 2: to your next film. This is Borderlands.

527
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Speaker 13: Legend has it that there's this massive treasure hidden in

528
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Speaker 13: some secret vault and if you go hunting for it,

529
00:27:59,253 --> 00:28:02,413
Speaker 13: you'd better take any help you can get because it's

530
00:28:02,693 --> 00:28:08,053
Speaker 13: the weirdest, most dangerous mister fire of a world in

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Speaker 13: the universe.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's Borderlands. Tell us about it, Francisca.

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Speaker 10: Right, So, generally with films, like I know what is

534
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Speaker 10: being made, what is coming up, when things are being

535
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Speaker 10: released and things.

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Speaker 8: But I try to go into films without reading any reviews.

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Speaker 10: I tried it really unbiased so that I go in

538
00:28:27,693 --> 00:28:30,253
Speaker 10: and go huh okay, and I have my own sort

539
00:28:30,293 --> 00:28:33,093
Speaker 10: of reaction and opinions. However, it was very hard to

540
00:28:33,213 --> 00:28:38,133
Speaker 10: ignore the overly negative reviews around this film, and I went,

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Speaker 10: how can it be that bad? It's got Kate Blenchett,

542
00:28:41,173 --> 00:28:43,653
Speaker 10: it's got Jack Black, it's got Jamie Lee Curtis, it's.

543
00:28:43,613 --> 00:28:46,853
Speaker 8: A really cool cast, right, how can this sci fi

544
00:28:47,053 --> 00:28:50,693
Speaker 8: action comedy be as bad as everybody saying? It's based

545
00:28:50,733 --> 00:28:53,453
Speaker 8: on a video game? You maybe I'm not familiar with Borderland,

546
00:28:53,533 --> 00:28:54,373
Speaker 8: you may be familiar with it.

547
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Speaker 10: So I thought, you know what, I'll take one for

548
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Speaker 10: the team here and I will pay and I will

549
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Speaker 10: watch this film.

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Speaker 8: I'm mystified at how wrong they got this film.

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Speaker 10: I you know, you probably go into its wanting expecting

552
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Speaker 10: a film like Guardians of the Galaxy or The Suicide Squad,

553
00:29:16,613 --> 00:29:19,373
Speaker 10: where it's a quirky and a bit crazy, but lots

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00:29:19,413 --> 00:29:23,093
Speaker 10: of fun and lots of action. And I really did

555
00:29:23,213 --> 00:29:26,253
Speaker 10: just sit there going, this isn't cool, it's not funny.

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Speaker 10: How did Kate Blanchett read this script and think that

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Speaker 10: this we're going to pull it off? It doesn't have

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Speaker 10: an edge to it. It's very predictable. It's like these

559
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Speaker 10: characters were said, Hey, here's this massive, big wardrobe room.

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Speaker 10: Just head on in, pick what you think makes your

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Speaker 10: character and go for I don't know, I just I

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Speaker 10: really just yees sat there going can I put my

563
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Speaker 10: finger on what's gone wrong here?

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Speaker 8: And it's very hard to kind of nail it down.

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Speaker 10: It just does knock like so, look, it has been

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Speaker 10: in cinemas, it is now about you can pay for

567
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Speaker 10: it and watch it on a streaming service. But you

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Speaker 10: know what, if you already paying for a streaming service,

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Speaker 10: I just give it a little bit of time and

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Speaker 10: then maybe just enjoy it with some three Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Good, Okay, No, that's well said. I think we know

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Speaker 2: exactly how you feel about that one. Thanks Francisca. Really

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Speaker 2: appreciated Francisca Rudkin our film review of those film once again,

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Speaker 2: Borderlands is the one that's a bit yeah, and the

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Speaker 2: first one, Beetlejuice. Beetlejuce is out now that's really exciting.

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Speaker 2: said about last Thursday, I thought it was majestic. I

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Speaker 2: felt proud to be in New Zealander and I learned

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Speaker 2: Kenny t Haitia's tonguey on Thursday was captivating. It was magical,

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Speaker 2: to take New Zealand forward. Thank you for that. Ninety

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Speaker 2: Of course, if you're looking for something a bit different

591
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Speaker 2: this weekend, a little bit of a treat. How cook

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Speaker 2: Nikki Wicks has a delicious sounding recipe he killed her

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Speaker 2: Yeah more in a Jack You know, it has been

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Speaker 2: my pledge to future Jack this winter that I'm going

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Speaker 2: to plant a tamarillo tree because I don't know what

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Speaker 2: it is about this winter, but I have been loving

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Speaker 2: tamarillo's and it's not the world's cheapest fruit. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 14: I was just gonna say you found somewhere cheap to

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Speaker 14: drive them. No, No, they're expensive, aren't they. I mean,

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Speaker 14: I support you and grow in trying to grow one.

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Speaker 14: I would have a good chat with Linda Helen and

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Speaker 14: if I.

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Speaker 8: Was you really hard to grow.

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Speaker 14: I tried a couple of times, and I just they

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Speaker 14: don't love the ones. They're actually quite temper from men

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Speaker 14: talk of little little Maybe some of our listeners might

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Speaker 14: have some of them chips for.

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Speaker 2: Us, Yeah yeah, but anyway, you have come up with

609
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Speaker 2: it an even more delicious way to consume tamarillos, which

610
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Speaker 2: is perhaps an easier path for the both of us.

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Speaker 14: Tamarillo and walnut meringue slice. I mean, I love a slice.

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Speaker 14: This is kind of like a Louise cake slasher or

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Speaker 14: catron cake.

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Speaker 11: You know where it's got.

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Speaker 8: You've got those layers.

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Speaker 14: So first of all, we want to make a little

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Speaker 14: really simple. It's not really a jam, it's more like

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Speaker 14: a compost. But I've got six to eight large tamarillo

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Speaker 14: you have those and kind of dice the You can

620
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Speaker 14: peel them if you want, but I just kind of

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Speaker 14: scoop as much of it as I can out and

622
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Speaker 14: then dice up that flesh, pop that in a little

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Speaker 14: pot and similar it with about a quarter of a

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Speaker 14: cup of sugar and it'll just start to thicken up

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Speaker 14: a little bit. Jack do that for about fifteen minutes

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Speaker 14: is quite good, and then put that aside and cool that.

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Speaker 14: Chuck an Ovan one hundred and eighty and I seem

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Speaker 14: to always say that before all of my recipes. Occasionally

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Speaker 14: it's higher, but not very often. And then I make

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Speaker 14: this in kind of a Swiss rollton, so that's about

631
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Speaker 14: the size that you're looking for. We want to make

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Speaker 14: the beautiful little base to this, which is beating one

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Speaker 14: hundred and twenty grams of so oft and butter together

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Speaker 14: with a thod of a cup of sugar pasta sugar

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Speaker 14: I've used in this one until that's really light and creamy,

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Speaker 14: and then add in we're using two whole eggs with

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Speaker 14: this recipeed, but we've separated those, so we're going to

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Speaker 14: add into the base the two egg yolks, a good

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Speaker 14: one teaspoon or more of vanilla extract, and we just

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Speaker 14: want to beat all of that till it's really creamy.

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Speaker 14: Fold in one and a half cups of flour and

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Speaker 14: also half a cup of walnut meal. It just gives

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Speaker 14: this a beautiful richness. This slice and I love the

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Speaker 14: flavor of walnut and tamaillos together.

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Speaker 8: They just wick it.

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Speaker 14: If you don't have walnut meal, but after listening to

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Speaker 14: this you want to make it. And you do have

648
00:33:46,733 --> 00:33:49,493
Speaker 14: ground almonds, you could use those as well. That's absolutely fine.

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Speaker 14: A good teaspoon of baking powder and stir all of

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Speaker 14: that until it starts to come together, and then tumble

651
00:33:55,493 --> 00:33:57,813
Speaker 14: the mixeduare at this stage, it's kind of clumpy, it's

652
00:33:57,933 --> 00:34:00,853
Speaker 14: kind of crummy. Tip it into your tin and then

653
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Speaker 14: press it out really evenly and chill that for ten minutes.

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Speaker 14: Once that's been chilled, you can spread your tamor loo

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Speaker 14: jam over that, and then we make this lovely little

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Speaker 14: light meringue topping.

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Speaker 2: Beat your egg whites.

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Speaker 14: You've got two of those left over from the yolks, obviously,

659
00:34:15,853 --> 00:34:18,173
Speaker 14: beat them till they kind of foamy. Then gradually add

660
00:34:18,253 --> 00:34:20,733
Speaker 14: in half a cup of cast of sugar, maybe a

661
00:34:20,813 --> 00:34:22,653
Speaker 14: pinch of salt there kind of helps you your egg

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00:34:22,693 --> 00:34:26,333
Speaker 14: whites sometimes, and bake there and sorry and beat that

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Speaker 14: until the sugar is kind of dissolved. It started to

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Speaker 14: go glossy and they are kind of soft peaks forming.

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Speaker 14: Fall in half a cup of coconut, coconut and tamarillo jack.

666
00:34:35,733 --> 00:34:38,413
Speaker 14: Oh my gosh, they're American marriage made in heaven. And

667
00:34:38,653 --> 00:34:41,133
Speaker 14: spread and doll up that over the jam and then

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Speaker 14: bake it for thirty to thirty five minutes until the

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Speaker 14: merangue goes kind of light brown. It's crisped up cool that.

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Speaker 8: I think it's better cooled.

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Speaker 9: I don't think you want to be eating this warm.

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Speaker 14: Put it out on a on a wire rack, and

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00:34:54,173 --> 00:34:56,053
Speaker 14: you know, the whole tin, and then cut it into

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Speaker 14: squares once it's cold, and it is so delicious, a

675
00:35:00,493 --> 00:35:01,413
Speaker 14: little cup of coffee.

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Speaker 8: Oh my god, it's good.

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Speaker 14: So the tartness of the tamarillos in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. Hartness is what makes them exceptional.

679
00:35:08,573 --> 00:35:11,093
Speaker 2: But then obviously this weakness coming through as well. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I have ever cooked with walnut

681
00:35:14,093 --> 00:35:16,373
Speaker 2: meal before. I know it's only half a cup. So

682
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Speaker 2: you've got you've got one half cups of flour, half

683
00:35:19,093 --> 00:35:21,173
Speaker 2: a cup of wornut, half a cup of walnut meal.

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Speaker 2: You know that I love my arm and meal, not

685
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Speaker 2: because I'm gluten free or anything, but because I think

686
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Speaker 2: it adds a real richness. So how difficult is it

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Speaker 2: to cook with walnut meal. Is it just can you

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Speaker 2: do like for lights light.

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Speaker 14: For light, take half a cup of walnuts, pop them

690
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Speaker 14: through your blender or your food process, and you want

691
00:35:38,413 --> 00:35:41,453
Speaker 14: them to kind of go down, not to a powder obviously,

692
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Speaker 14: back to about you know, you chop them finally and

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Speaker 14: it'll make you half a cup of walnuts will make

694
00:35:46,733 --> 00:35:50,813
Speaker 14: roughly half a cup of walnut meal. You can't buy walnutmeal.

695
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Speaker 14: I think you do have to make it. So thanks

696
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Speaker 14: for you know, leading me on to explain that.

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Speaker 8: So I love it.

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Speaker 14: It's got I mean, walnuts have got a much more

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00:35:58,733 --> 00:36:02,053
Speaker 14: distinct flavor than almond meal really, so get that really

700
00:36:02,253 --> 00:36:05,453
Speaker 14: almost almost a bitterness. Again, it's great with our tamarilo.

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Speaker 14: And what I would say to anyone listening to Jack

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Speaker 14: who doesn't like temoralist, because believe it or not, there

703
00:36:09,973 --> 00:36:10,733
Speaker 14: are people out there.

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Speaker 8: They are tarch.

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00:36:12,893 --> 00:36:15,293
Speaker 14: They are a bit of stringent once.

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00:36:15,133 --> 00:36:16,373
Speaker 2: You cook them totally.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it really rounds out that flavor. So I poached

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Speaker 14: some this week as well and had them with some custard.

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00:36:23,013 --> 00:36:25,173
Speaker 2: See that's that's how I would have them too, like

710
00:36:25,253 --> 00:36:26,933
Speaker 2: poast with a bit of custard, or like a bit

711
00:36:26,933 --> 00:36:29,173
Speaker 2: of ice cream as well. So you've got that, you know,

712
00:36:29,253 --> 00:36:31,813
Speaker 2: the tartness offset by the sweetness. I'm into it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So one last walnut meal question is is it sweet

715
00:36:35,973 --> 00:36:37,933
Speaker 2: compared to almond meal, because you know, almond meal is

716
00:36:38,013 --> 00:36:40,533
Speaker 2: quite dry. I just imagine I feel like, I don't

717
00:36:40,533 --> 00:36:42,133
Speaker 2: know what it is, but I feel like walnuts maybe

718
00:36:42,173 --> 00:36:43,453
Speaker 2: have slightly more moisture in them.

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Speaker 14: Oh that's interesting.

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Speaker 8: No, not not, I don't think it is.

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Speaker 14: I mean, I mean your almond meal is probably quite

722
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Speaker 14: dry because it's been taken down to the alm and.

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Speaker 9: Meal agent gone put in a packet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

725
00:36:54,413 --> 00:36:56,173
Speaker 9: Yeah, almond meal, You're right, there might be.

726
00:36:56,213 --> 00:36:57,933
Speaker 14: A bit more moistured, but nothing to worry about. It

727
00:36:58,013 --> 00:37:00,413
Speaker 14: should plump together once you've blended it. It should be

728
00:37:00,533 --> 00:37:02,613
Speaker 14: nice and loose and fantastic and it'll just give this

729
00:37:03,093 --> 00:37:04,493
Speaker 14: a lovely little flavor.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, do make it.

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Speaker 14: It's a really good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds extraordinary. Thank you so much, Nicky, you're

733
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Speaker 2: really looking forward to making that at home.

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Speaker 2: after ten o'clock this morning, We're going to be catching

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Speaker 2: up with the star of Amazon's Rings of Power series,

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Speaker 2: a series that some people have described as one of,

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Speaker 2: if not the most expensive TV series ever made. This

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Speaker 2: is the Lord of the Rings spin off, Charlie Vickers.

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Speaker 2: At the end of season one had the twist of

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Speaker 2: the season when it was revealed that his character, up

753
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Speaker 2: until that point, pretty meek, pretty mild, was actually Souron

754
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Speaker 2: in disguise. So we're going to talk to Charlie about

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Speaker 2: that experience. It turns out that even when Charlie was

756
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Speaker 2: filming as the more meek and mild character, he didn't

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Speaker 2: realize they was soon to become sour On. It was

758
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Speaker 2: only part way through the series that the heads of

759
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Speaker 2: the show came to him and said, Charlie, we've not

760
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Speaker 2: been one hundred percent honest. There's something we've going to

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Speaker 2: tell you, So I'll tell you a little bit more

762
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Speaker 2: about that after ten. Really looking forward to catching up

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Speaker 2: with him as well as that. Your screen time picks

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Speaker 2: for this week TV shows to watch and stream at home.

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Speaker 2: It is almost ten o'clock news. Next This Saturday Morning

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Speaker 2: of Jack Tayman. This is Newstalk zed.

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Speaker 1: V, A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings

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Speaker 2: Good Morning you were Jack Taime on Newstalks EDB. A

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Speaker 2: brand new telling of a story that we hold very

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Speaker 2: very daily here in New Zealand. Lord of the Rings

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Speaker 2: the Rings of Power had an estimated twenty five million

774
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Speaker 2: people tune in for its season one premiere. The series

775
00:39:47,133 --> 00:39:49,893
Speaker 2: is set thousands of years before the events depicted in

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Speaker 2: the Tolkien novels, and in it, Middle Earth's infamous villain,

777
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Speaker 2: previously immortalized by Peter Jackson as a giant burning Eye,

778
00:39:58,773 --> 00:40:02,173
Speaker 2: inhabits a human body for the first time. Season two

779
00:40:02,333 --> 00:40:05,773
Speaker 2: has now landed in star of Rings of Power. Charlie

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Speaker 2: Vickers with this this morning.

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Speaker 11: Calder, good morning, good morning, Thank you for having me.

782
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Speaker 2: It is a real pleasure to be speaking with you,

783
00:40:13,253 --> 00:40:16,933
Speaker 2: and I think we can safely assume that everyone is

784
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Speaker 2: up to speed with season one. So if you haven't

785
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Speaker 2: watched season one yet, let's just tell you right now,

786
00:40:22,133 --> 00:40:25,013
Speaker 2: there are going to be some spoilers. The last episode

787
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Speaker 2: of season one an extraordinary moment. So all seasons you've

788
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Speaker 2: been playing playing hell Brend, a charismatic king, and that

789
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Speaker 2: last episode an extraordinary twist that turns out your character

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Speaker 2: was actually soarn. Just tell us about it. Tell us

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Speaker 2: about how they broke the news to you. Was it

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Speaker 2: the writers, was it the showrunners? When did you find

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Speaker 2: out that would be your role?

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Speaker 11: The showrunners told me at the start of the third

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Speaker 11: episode of filming. So I filmed the first two episodes

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Speaker 11: of the show and not knowing I was playing souron

797
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Speaker 11: and then we just finished a hiatus because of COVID

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Speaker 11: and they called me in to their office in Henderson

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Speaker 11: and they said, you're so it turns out that Albrand

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Speaker 11: is sour And then that was a mind blowing moment.

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Speaker 11: That I then had to try, and I was left

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Speaker 11: reeling in a good way. I was very excited.

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Speaker 2: So presumably this was a deliberate move on behalf of

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Speaker 2: the showrunners. They wanted you to think that you were

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Speaker 2: playing hell Brand, everything was normal, and then they were like, hey, Charlie,

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Speaker 2: guess what.

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Speaker 11: Psych I think? Yeah, I think they must have wanted

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Speaker 11: me for those opening scenes to not think I was

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Speaker 11: playing Sourn, So therefore it'd be impossible for me to

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Speaker 11: do any kind of sign posting about like the potential

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Speaker 11: evil beneath Albrand, you know, Halbrand. But I was kind

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Speaker 11: of the issue with that was I'd auditioned playing Satan

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Speaker 11: from Paradise Lost and Bridge of the Third, so I

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Speaker 11: kind of had an inkling that there was something more

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Speaker 11: to Halbrand.

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's interesting. You actually you could sense that maybe

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00:42:02,653 --> 00:42:05,173
Speaker 2: things were not as they appeared, that there might be

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a twist or something else that

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Speaker 2: you were going to discover.

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Speaker 11: Definitely, I think there was a little bit of I

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Speaker 11: definitely knew that there was something more at play. I

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Speaker 11: just didn't know what it was. So it was actually

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Speaker 11: a relief when they told me it was sou On,

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Speaker 11: because I mean I could really focus in on what

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Speaker 11: I had to learn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that change in terms of the process,

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Speaker 2: because the audience isn't going to know until the last episode, right,

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Speaker 2: so you are still thinking about I mean at this point,

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you have to change how you signpost things?

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Speaker 2: How do you think about your character?

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Speaker 11: Not hugely in terms of practical practically, but yeah, it

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Speaker 11: changes a lot in terms of how I think about him,

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Speaker 11: and I was able to. It just gave me this

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Speaker 11: huge body of research that I could dive into that

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Speaker 11: I didn't have before. And it's like all the stuff

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Speaker 11: that Tolkien wrote about him was opened up to me.

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Speaker 11: And I'd already researched it quite a lot, but it

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Speaker 11: just meant I could throw myself headfirst into all the

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Speaker 11: different parts of the film are Rellion and Tolkien's letters

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Speaker 11: and yeah, really really exciting parts of the story.

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Speaker 2: Were you a Tolkien reader beforehand?

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Speaker 11: No, I'd never read I'd never read a Top ten book.

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00:43:10,013 --> 00:43:12,053
Speaker 11: I'd watched the Peter Jackson films, but I'd never read

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Speaker 11: a book.

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Speaker 2: So how did you find it engaging with that writing

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Speaker 2: for the first time?

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Speaker 11: I liked it. It takes a bit of a particularly

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Speaker 11: the selm Irillion. It takes a bit of adjusting at first,

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Speaker 11: but I actually think the start of the selm Irillion

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Speaker 11: is really good when they it's all about the valor

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Speaker 11: singing the world into existence, and I kind of like

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Speaker 11: there are some bits which are kind of it's a

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Speaker 11: bit of a slog in the middle, but you know

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00:43:35,653 --> 00:43:38,133
Speaker 11: this often happens with books anyway, But once you get

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Speaker 11: used to it. I really loved it, particularly the end

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Speaker 11: bit as well.

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Speaker 2: And so once you had had a chance to deduce

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Speaker 2: this information, you had a chance to do a bit

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Speaker 2: of background research. Are you allowed to tell your cast mates?

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Speaker 2: How does it work? Are you sworn to secrecy on

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Speaker 2: a promise of death or something?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

863
00:43:54,813 --> 00:43:57,253
Speaker 11: I think that was sworn to secrecy. I think I

864
00:43:57,573 --> 00:44:00,773
Speaker 11: maybe told my mum and my partner, and maybe a

865
00:44:00,853 --> 00:44:03,373
Speaker 11: couple of people in the cast kind of figured it out,

866
00:44:03,573 --> 00:44:06,013
Speaker 11: because like I think more of this had to figure

867
00:44:06,013 --> 00:44:09,053
Speaker 11: it out because she was in so many scenes with me,

868
00:44:09,213 --> 00:44:11,573
Speaker 11: so I think she pretty quickly figured out that maybe

869
00:44:12,453 --> 00:44:15,613
Speaker 11: I was sour On and not Halbren. Yeah, but as

870
00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:17,093
Speaker 11: to other people in the cast, I don't know how

871
00:44:17,133 --> 00:44:18,573
Speaker 11: they found out. So I didn't tell them.

872
00:44:19,013 --> 00:44:21,293
Speaker 2: Oh, really, like so it might have actually been until

873
00:44:21,973 --> 00:44:24,213
Speaker 2: like until they actually saw the family beside is that.

874
00:44:25,733 --> 00:44:27,573
Speaker 11: Maybe some of them lasted that long. But I reckon

875
00:44:27,653 --> 00:44:30,173
Speaker 11: people probably worked it out by the end of because

876
00:44:30,373 --> 00:44:32,773
Speaker 11: they didn't. A lot of people didn't get the script,

877
00:44:32,933 --> 00:44:34,813
Speaker 11: but I think they knew something was up because we

878
00:44:34,893 --> 00:44:37,253
Speaker 11: all got different Like the five of us involved in

879
00:44:37,333 --> 00:44:40,493
Speaker 11: the scenes the reveal scenes got all the right scripts

880
00:44:40,653 --> 00:44:42,333
Speaker 11: and everyone else just got blank pages.

881
00:44:42,773 --> 00:44:42,933
Speaker 3: Right.

882
00:44:43,333 --> 00:44:46,253
Speaker 2: God, what a night me to organize this. I just

883
00:44:46,413 --> 00:44:49,013
Speaker 2: like better the showrunners than me. Can you imagine trying

884
00:44:49,093 --> 00:44:52,493
Speaker 2: to coordinate something as significant as this and trying to

885
00:44:52,533 --> 00:44:55,533
Speaker 2: manage not only public expectations, but the expectations of your

886
00:44:55,973 --> 00:44:57,733
Speaker 2: of your cast and cruise Exactly.

887
00:44:57,933 --> 00:44:59,613
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think they're glad to be rid of that

888
00:44:59,813 --> 00:45:00,733
Speaker 11: level of syncresty.

889
00:45:01,413 --> 00:45:03,133
Speaker 2: So what does it mean for your character in season two?

890
00:45:04,413 --> 00:45:06,613
Speaker 11: Well, it's kind of you know, sour On now gets

891
00:45:06,653 --> 00:45:09,133
Speaker 11: the opportunity to now that he's out. In terms of

892
00:45:09,173 --> 00:45:13,813
Speaker 11: the audience's eyes, we can watch him with the mask off.

893
00:45:13,893 --> 00:45:16,373
Speaker 11: We can watch him navigating his way through Middle Earth

894
00:45:17,013 --> 00:45:21,213
Speaker 11: and deceiving people and manipulating people under this guise of anata,

895
00:45:21,733 --> 00:45:24,733
Speaker 11: which was the fair form that Tolkien wrote that Suron

896
00:45:24,813 --> 00:45:27,893
Speaker 11: took in the second age, so that was huge, It

897
00:45:28,093 --> 00:45:34,133
Speaker 11: was it really changed my interpretation of the character because

898
00:45:34,173 --> 00:45:37,173
Speaker 11: he was perceived he's now you know, the audience is

899
00:45:37,293 --> 00:45:38,413
Speaker 11: perspective and different.

900
00:45:38,973 --> 00:45:41,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the audience are in on it this time now, right,

901
00:45:41,653 --> 00:45:44,773
Speaker 2: even though he to other characters in the show, he

902
00:45:44,893 --> 00:45:48,333
Speaker 2: might be he might present as a as a certain

903
00:45:48,613 --> 00:45:51,773
Speaker 2: character or have certain characteristics, the audience is on the

904
00:45:51,853 --> 00:45:52,533
Speaker 2: inside now.

905
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:57,053
Speaker 11: Exactly, That's exactly it. And now we kind of get

906
00:45:57,133 --> 00:46:00,733
Speaker 11: to share those quiet moments with him when he's having

907
00:46:00,773 --> 00:46:04,693
Speaker 11: a moment, a Salron moment, whereas in the previous season

908
00:46:04,733 --> 00:46:07,133
Speaker 11: when he's being thal on the is probably not with

909
00:46:07,293 --> 00:46:10,653
Speaker 11: him the camera with Gladriel, so we kind of see

910
00:46:10,653 --> 00:46:13,093
Speaker 11: a window into his true nature, which I think is

911
00:46:13,213 --> 00:46:15,413
Speaker 11: fun and it's we kind of you know, you can

912
00:46:15,533 --> 00:46:20,453
Speaker 11: watch someone manipulating people and being quite bad, but maybe

913
00:46:20,573 --> 00:46:23,133
Speaker 11: you kind of enjoy it as an audience member, particularly

914
00:46:23,133 --> 00:46:24,293
Speaker 11: because you know, it's not real.

915
00:46:25,213 --> 00:46:26,933
Speaker 2: When I have conversations with the actors a lot, you know,

916
00:46:27,093 --> 00:46:29,013
Speaker 2: a lot of the time they talk about different methods

917
00:46:29,013 --> 00:46:31,133
Speaker 2: to try and understand the complexity of their characters, but

918
00:46:31,853 --> 00:46:34,973
Speaker 2: just to think about those basics, right, Like the audiences

919
00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:38,893
Speaker 2: with you, but other characters from your position aren't actually

920
00:46:38,973 --> 00:46:41,693
Speaker 2: aware of your true nature and your and your true

921
00:46:42,853 --> 00:46:45,013
Speaker 2: the fact that you are Sourrong Like that's an amazing

922
00:46:45,093 --> 00:46:47,413
Speaker 2: level of complexity, but it's very Shakespearean, don't you think?

923
00:46:48,333 --> 00:46:53,813
Speaker 11: Very Shakespearean? And it's quite it's quite epic and for me,

924
00:46:53,973 --> 00:46:56,893
Speaker 11: but despite the large scale of it, and you know,

925
00:46:56,973 --> 00:47:00,293
Speaker 11: if I stopped to think about the the size of

926
00:47:01,293 --> 00:47:03,653
Speaker 11: the weight of playing a role like this, I think

927
00:47:03,653 --> 00:47:07,053
Speaker 11: I go crae easy. So I really don't think about

928
00:47:07,093 --> 00:47:08,733
Speaker 11: it in those terms. I try and just break it

929
00:47:08,813 --> 00:47:11,973
Speaker 11: down to its most simple form, which is I'm acting

930
00:47:11,973 --> 00:47:14,573
Speaker 11: opposite someone. What do I need over and over again,

931
00:47:14,653 --> 00:47:17,333
Speaker 11: whether it's in a over a whole season or whether

932
00:47:17,373 --> 00:47:19,333
Speaker 11: it's in a second, It's like, what do I need

933
00:47:19,413 --> 00:47:23,493
Speaker 11: in at that exact point? And for Souron is to

934
00:47:23,773 --> 00:47:29,373
Speaker 11: like rehabilitate and save and heal Middle Earth. And for me,

935
00:47:29,613 --> 00:47:31,933
Speaker 11: if I just play that, I let the villainy happen

936
00:47:32,013 --> 00:47:36,933
Speaker 11: as a byproduct of seeking this goal, and well I

937
00:47:36,933 --> 00:47:39,493
Speaker 11: will stop at nothing to achieve it. And that's where

938
00:47:39,693 --> 00:47:41,613
Speaker 11: that's where he starts to do some bad stuff.

939
00:47:42,973 --> 00:47:46,133
Speaker 2: Season one. I think I'm right in that you prepped

940
00:47:46,653 --> 00:47:49,973
Speaker 2: by going for a five day wilderness experience in the

941
00:47:50,093 --> 00:47:52,573
Speaker 2: Totedle Yeah National Park, Is that right?

942
00:47:53,093 --> 00:47:53,293
Speaker 4: Yeah?

943
00:47:53,333 --> 00:47:57,533
Speaker 11: Yeah, I did the Northern Sir. Yeah, really, I loved it.

944
00:47:57,653 --> 00:48:00,973
Speaker 11: That was when I was I had just been told

945
00:48:01,053 --> 00:48:02,853
Speaker 11: that I was sour On, and I thought, well, what

946
00:48:03,253 --> 00:48:04,733
Speaker 11: what else can you do if you just if you're

947
00:48:04,773 --> 00:48:08,173
Speaker 11: going to be sour on, go to mount So that

948
00:48:08,373 --> 00:48:10,493
Speaker 11: I went out there by myself and just hiked around

949
00:48:10,733 --> 00:48:12,493
Speaker 11: over the Northern Circle. I think I was away for

950
00:48:12,613 --> 00:48:17,253
Speaker 11: five days. The hike maybe took three days, but it

951
00:48:17,373 --> 00:48:19,453
Speaker 11: was really it was really special. One of the best

952
00:48:19,533 --> 00:48:21,373
Speaker 11: hikes I've ever been on. I've never been on a

953
00:48:21,453 --> 00:48:22,573
Speaker 11: solid hike, but I loved it.

954
00:48:22,693 --> 00:48:25,053
Speaker 2: What time of year was it it was?

955
00:48:26,613 --> 00:48:29,893
Speaker 11: I was no, it was cold at night, but it

956
00:48:29,973 --> 00:48:32,013
Speaker 11: was really hot in the day. I want to say

957
00:48:32,053 --> 00:48:32,933
Speaker 11: it started spring.

958
00:48:33,413 --> 00:48:36,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty exposed day. Some of that is like

959
00:48:36,413 --> 00:48:39,213
Speaker 2: super exposed. There's no way to hide, very hot.

960
00:48:39,133 --> 00:48:42,173
Speaker 11: And there's it's all all sun like it's so hot.

961
00:48:42,533 --> 00:48:45,293
Speaker 11: I remember being really hot and sweaty, and then in

962
00:48:45,333 --> 00:48:47,533
Speaker 11: the nights the temperature would drop. I chose not to

963
00:48:47,613 --> 00:48:50,973
Speaker 11: sleep in the huts. I brought a tent which meant

964
00:48:51,013 --> 00:48:53,493
Speaker 11: my my pack was heavier, but I had a bit

965
00:48:53,533 --> 00:48:54,173
Speaker 11: more privacy.

966
00:48:55,213 --> 00:48:57,693
Speaker 2: So hey, you didn't you you like you properly? You

967
00:48:58,053 --> 00:48:59,253
Speaker 2: you did it authentically?

968
00:48:59,373 --> 00:49:05,693
Speaker 11: Then, yeah, I had all the kid hike packed. One

969
00:49:05,773 --> 00:49:08,293
Speaker 11: of my good ends, his name's Guy Hamdling. He worked

970
00:49:08,293 --> 00:49:09,213
Speaker 11: on the show with us.

971
00:49:09,333 --> 00:49:10,093
Speaker 3: He gave me.

972
00:49:10,213 --> 00:49:12,013
Speaker 11: He had a lot of hike years, so he gave

973
00:49:12,093 --> 00:49:13,973
Speaker 11: me a whole bunch of stuff, which.

974
00:49:13,893 --> 00:49:16,453
Speaker 2: Is very hump oh wown't it what an experience. You

975
00:49:16,493 --> 00:49:17,773
Speaker 2: also had to learn to free dive.

976
00:49:17,853 --> 00:49:17,973
Speaker 6: Eh.

977
00:49:18,893 --> 00:49:21,413
Speaker 11: Yeah, we did a bit of free diving because there's

978
00:49:21,413 --> 00:49:23,693
Speaker 11: an underwater sequence at the start of the first season.

979
00:49:24,013 --> 00:49:26,533
Speaker 11: At the start of the season actually, so I had

980
00:49:26,573 --> 00:49:29,093
Speaker 11: to learn to dive, which was really a skill that

981
00:49:29,173 --> 00:49:31,613
Speaker 11: I'm forever grateful for because I was terrified at the

982
00:49:31,653 --> 00:49:33,453
Speaker 11: start of that. I couldn't hold my breath for longer

983
00:49:33,493 --> 00:49:34,293
Speaker 11: than thirty seconds.

984
00:49:34,493 --> 00:49:34,773
Speaker 3: Wow.

985
00:49:34,933 --> 00:49:37,013
Speaker 11: And yeah, by the end we were up in the

986
00:49:37,133 --> 00:49:39,333
Speaker 11: four minute mark. So that was cool.

987
00:49:39,653 --> 00:49:41,853
Speaker 2: No, because it's it's it's very mitiative, right, You've got

988
00:49:41,933 --> 00:49:43,733
Speaker 2: to bring your heart rate down and when you're when

989
00:49:43,773 --> 00:49:45,613
Speaker 2: you're submersed and water, you need to bring all of

990
00:49:45,693 --> 00:49:48,413
Speaker 2: your kind of processes down and slow, slow, everything up.

991
00:49:49,133 --> 00:49:52,573
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly, that exactly that. It was like, the lower

992
00:49:52,613 --> 00:49:54,173
Speaker 11: your heart rate, the longer you can hold your breath.

993
00:49:54,253 --> 00:49:57,333
Speaker 11: And that was really cool to learn that level of

994
00:49:57,413 --> 00:49:59,613
Speaker 11: mindfulness and it's something I've been able to take into

995
00:49:59,653 --> 00:50:01,173
Speaker 11: the rest of my life as well.

996
00:50:01,533 --> 00:50:05,693
Speaker 2: Oh man, have you ever watched the free diving on YouTube? Yeah?

997
00:50:05,853 --> 00:50:07,853
Speaker 11: I have, and I've watched what's that is it called

998
00:50:07,853 --> 00:50:11,533
Speaker 11: The Deepest Breath? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. I

999
00:50:12,253 --> 00:50:15,333
Speaker 11: haven't watched many of the competitions, but I've seen little

1000
00:50:15,373 --> 00:50:17,013
Speaker 11: clips here and there. It's pretty amazing.

1001
00:50:17,093 --> 00:50:21,853
Speaker 2: Huh oh, it's it's kind of crazy, like, yeah, it

1002
00:50:21,973 --> 00:50:25,493
Speaker 2: to that level like we had We've had William Troubridge

1003
00:50:25,733 --> 00:50:28,653
Speaker 2: on the show, who's a champion freed over and like

1004
00:50:28,733 --> 00:50:30,693
Speaker 2: he he would go to one hundred meters with no

1005
00:50:30,933 --> 00:50:33,853
Speaker 2: fins or anything. Can you just imagine, I just like

1006
00:50:33,933 --> 00:50:40,333
Speaker 2: imagine the head space you need to be and when yeah,

1007
00:50:40,533 --> 00:50:43,093
Speaker 2: well he just holds onto the rope. Yeah, you can

1008
00:50:43,573 --> 00:50:45,733
Speaker 2: be pulled down, but he would just he would paddle

1009
00:50:45,773 --> 00:50:47,213
Speaker 2: and then yeah, and then we clipped to a rope.

1010
00:50:47,253 --> 00:50:48,853
Speaker 11: It's nuts. That's amazing.

1011
00:50:49,693 --> 00:50:52,573
Speaker 2: I take it that. Given Season two has been filmed

1012
00:50:52,573 --> 00:50:55,813
Speaker 2: predominantly in London, right, you haven't needed to go to

1013
00:50:55,933 --> 00:50:57,453
Speaker 2: such extremes to prepare for this.

1014
00:50:57,733 --> 00:50:58,013
Speaker 15: For this.

1015
00:50:59,853 --> 00:51:02,093
Speaker 11: Apart from that sequence at the start with the sea

1016
00:51:02,213 --> 00:51:04,493
Speaker 11: monster again that flashback sequence, there was a lot of

1017
00:51:04,533 --> 00:51:06,573
Speaker 11: scuba diving and breath holding again and I had to

1018
00:51:06,653 --> 00:51:09,493
Speaker 11: do for that. But otherwise quite a bit less horse

1019
00:51:09,613 --> 00:51:12,853
Speaker 11: riding this time, which which is sad kind of but

1020
00:51:12,933 --> 00:51:16,093
Speaker 11: also I'm a bit grateful for the horses are always scary.

1021
00:51:16,413 --> 00:51:18,853
Speaker 11: But yeah, it's been more linguistic and that it's like

1022
00:51:19,653 --> 00:51:22,533
Speaker 11: a lot more mental gymnastics because the scenes are quite

1023
00:51:22,653 --> 00:51:27,613
Speaker 11: long and very intense, which is cool, which has been

1024
00:51:27,613 --> 00:51:28,533
Speaker 11: a really cool experience.

1025
00:51:28,653 --> 00:51:32,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think we can safely assume that your

1026
00:51:32,773 --> 00:51:37,333
Speaker 2: character's major twist came in season one, but now being

1027
00:51:37,493 --> 00:51:39,853
Speaker 2: part of the of the of the cast and the

1028
00:51:39,973 --> 00:51:43,173
Speaker 2: crew as a film season two. Looking from the outside,

1029
00:51:43,213 --> 00:51:45,933
Speaker 2: did you get any pages that were blank in your scripts? Like,

1030
00:51:45,973 --> 00:51:49,253
Speaker 2: should we expect big twists coming for other characters twists?

1031
00:51:49,613 --> 00:51:51,933
Speaker 11: I don't think I've got any blank pages. But there

1032
00:51:51,973 --> 00:51:55,173
Speaker 11: are twists coming for sure, and I won't tell you

1033
00:51:55,213 --> 00:51:58,933
Speaker 11: what they are. No, there there is a couple really

1034
00:51:59,013 --> 00:51:59,893
Speaker 11: good ones coming.

1035
00:52:00,133 --> 00:52:03,293
Speaker 2: Oh fantastic. Well, we are delighted that you guys are back.

1036
00:52:03,453 --> 00:52:05,973
Speaker 2: Really excited to do yest season two. Thank you so

1037
00:52:06,093 --> 00:52:07,853
Speaker 2: much for giving us your time. We really appreciate it.

1038
00:52:08,373 --> 00:52:10,573
Speaker 11: I appreciate yours. Thank you very much for having me.

1039
00:52:10,693 --> 00:52:11,773
Speaker 11: It's been pleasure.

1040
00:52:12,173 --> 00:52:15,293
Speaker 2: That is Rings of Power star Charlie Vickers and Lord

1041
00:52:15,333 --> 00:52:17,893
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1042
00:52:18,053 --> 00:52:20,533
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1043
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1047
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Speaker 2: our screen Time Expert, is here to share three of

1048
00:52:38,493 --> 00:52:42,533
Speaker 2: her favorite shows streaming now. Hey Tara, good morning. Let's

1049
00:52:42,573 --> 00:52:45,413
Speaker 2: start off with the show on Netflix starring Nicole Kidman

1050
00:52:45,493 --> 00:52:46,933
Speaker 2: tell us about the Perfect Couple.

1051
00:52:47,653 --> 00:52:51,053
Speaker 16: This is Netflix's new murder mystery thriller that As You Say,

1052
00:52:51,093 --> 00:52:53,813
Speaker 16: stars Nicole Kidman and Leif Schreiber. And if you're a

1053
00:52:53,853 --> 00:52:56,333
Speaker 16: fan of shows like Big Little Lies, or The White

1054
00:52:56,373 --> 00:52:59,213
Speaker 16: Lotus or The Undoing, I think you'll enjoy this. It's

1055
00:52:59,813 --> 00:53:03,173
Speaker 16: the latest American series about rich people doing terrible things,

1056
00:53:03,613 --> 00:53:06,933
Speaker 16: and it's about a wealthy, old money family who are

1057
00:53:07,053 --> 00:53:10,853
Speaker 16: gathering together for a family wedding and beautiful Nantucket. The

1058
00:53:10,933 --> 00:53:13,173
Speaker 16: wedding is just about to get underway when a body

1059
00:53:13,293 --> 00:53:16,333
Speaker 16: is discovered floating in the harbor, and suddenly everyone in

1060
00:53:16,413 --> 00:53:20,453
Speaker 16: the family is a suspect and the murder investigation, and

1061
00:53:20,613 --> 00:53:22,933
Speaker 16: of course there were already plenty of secrets and lies

1062
00:53:22,973 --> 00:53:25,053
Speaker 16: going on before the murder, and this is just going

1063
00:53:25,133 --> 00:53:28,973
Speaker 16: to bring everything out into the open. I admit I

1064
00:53:29,053 --> 00:53:31,733
Speaker 16: came to this with quite low expectations, but I was

1065
00:53:31,813 --> 00:53:36,093
Speaker 16: pleasantly surprised. This is a great little, juicy, trashy, soapy,

1066
00:53:36,253 --> 00:53:40,293
Speaker 16: melodramatic weekend watch. I fully expect it to kind of

1067
00:53:40,333 --> 00:53:42,533
Speaker 16: spiral out of control as the episodes go on. But

1068
00:53:42,773 --> 00:53:45,973
Speaker 16: it's got a good cast, lots of awful characters, all

1069
00:53:46,053 --> 00:53:49,373
Speaker 16: of whom have a motive to commit the murder. It's

1070
00:53:49,413 --> 00:53:51,293
Speaker 16: got a real sense of humor to it. It's having

1071
00:53:51,333 --> 00:53:55,093
Speaker 16: some fun, and you know, it's just a typically reliable

1072
00:53:55,373 --> 00:53:58,333
Speaker 16: Netflix drum and that it's very bingeable. It will appeal

1073
00:53:58,373 --> 00:54:00,573
Speaker 16: to a lot of different people and really easy to watch.

1074
00:54:00,693 --> 00:54:00,893
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1075
00:54:01,013 --> 00:54:04,173
Speaker 2: Nice, Okay, that's the perfect couple on Netflix. Now on

1076
00:54:04,293 --> 00:54:06,213
Speaker 2: TVNZ plus. The Body next Door.

1077
00:54:07,013 --> 00:54:07,213
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: This is a new British true crime documentary series and

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Speaker 16: I wanted to mention this today because there's a New

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Speaker 16: Zealand connection to this series. This is about a body

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Speaker 16: that was discovered in a garden in a mining village

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Speaker 16: in the Welsh Valleys back in twenty fifteen, and when

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Speaker 16: police found the body, nobody knew who the victim was

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Speaker 16: and nobody knew who had committed the crime. And when

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Speaker 16: the police eventually identify a prime suspect, the trouble was

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Speaker 16: that the suspect was already dead, and it was a

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Speaker 16: woman named Lisa Beine who leads police all the way

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Speaker 16: back to New Zealand. Lee lived here in the nineteen

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Speaker 16: sixties and was involved in quite a shocking crime that

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Speaker 16: took place here, and the documentary series speaks to some

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Speaker 16: of her children who still live in New Zealand and

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Speaker 16: who give a really heartbreaking insight into their lives. It's

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Speaker 16: a really tragic story and I don't want to spoil

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Speaker 16: all the details here, but the first episode is filled

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Speaker 16: with a lot of different characters from the Welsh village

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Speaker 16: who really bring that story to life. And then it

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Speaker 16: gets a lot darker as the series goes on, and

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Speaker 16: it's just a really strange and shocking case. And this

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Speaker 16: series reveals a lot of different news sides to the story,

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Speaker 16: so if you're a true crime fan, this will be

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Speaker 16: one to watch.

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Speaker 2: Nice Okay, That's The Body next Door on TV and

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Speaker 2: Z Plus. Also on TV and Z plus, The Boy

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Speaker 2: That Never Was.

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Speaker 16: This is an Irish psychological thriller that's just come to

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Speaker 16: TV and Z Plus. It's based on a best selling

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Speaker 16: novel by Karen Perry and it's about an Irish couple

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Speaker 16: who are living in Morocco with their young son and

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Speaker 16: there is a bad earthquake and their son is presumed

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Speaker 16: dead among the rubble, and the couple return to live

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Speaker 16: in Dublin and try and rebuild their lives until one

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Speaker 16: day a few years later, when the husband thinks he

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00:55:42,853 --> 00:55:45,493
Speaker 16: sees his son at the train station, and he becomes

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Speaker 16: obsessed with finding out whether that child is actually his

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Speaker 16: son and trying to work out what actually happened to

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Speaker 16: his family in Morocco. Excuse me, And as you would

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Speaker 16: expect with that kind of storyline, this is quite a heavy,

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Speaker 16: serious drama. It's about grief and loss and the impact

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Speaker 16: that that can have on relationships. It's an emotional watch.

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Speaker 16: It becomes tenser and becomes more of a thriller as

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Speaker 16: the show goes on. But I think you'll need the

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Speaker 16: touches one.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: That's The Boy That Never Was. That's on TVNZ Plus,

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Speaker 2: so too is The Body next Door, and The Perfect

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Speaker 2: Couple is on Netflix. All of those shows will be

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Speaker 2: up on the News Talks. He'd be website Jack. I

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Speaker 2: caught only the last couple of minutes of that Charlie

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Speaker 2: Vickers interview. Thank you, Where and when do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: That'll be available to listen to online. That should be

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Speaker 2: up on that very same website in about ten minutes

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Speaker 2: or so. Basically as soon as everything's been on the radio,

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00:56:34,013 --> 00:56:35,693
Speaker 2: we chuck it on the website just as soon as

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Speaker 2: we can. Right now, it's twenty six past ten.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack team

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Speaker 1: on News Talks.

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Speaker 4: Edb samtor Same No Got Bucked a n.

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Speaker 3: News.

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Speaker 2: That's Serena Carpenter. She has been hata bolted to stardom

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Speaker 2: over the last.

1141
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Speaker 17: Year or so.

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Speaker 2: She was the opener for Taylor Swift with her Era's tour,

1143
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Speaker 2: and then she had pretty amazing success with her single Espresso.

1144
00:57:15,733 --> 00:57:18,813
Speaker 2: Sabrina spent her teenage years acting in a spinoff of

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Speaker 2: the sitcom Boy Meets World, and she released her first

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Speaker 2: four records under the Disney umbrella. Eventually those she dropped

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Speaker 2: The Mouse Ears, and in twenty twenty two she dropped

1148
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Speaker 2: her first big girl album, if you want to call

1149
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Speaker 2: it that emails I Can't Send, and that's where the

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Speaker 2: song which is called Feather is from. So we're now

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Speaker 2: up to Sabrina's sixth album, but at the age of

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Speaker 2: twenty five, it's kind of like she's just getting started

1153
00:57:44,613 --> 00:57:47,053
Speaker 2: soaring to the top. Now and before midday we're going

1154
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Speaker 2: to listen to her new album. It's called Short and Sweet.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll make sure we save a little bit

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Speaker 2: of time and play a couple of songs from that

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Speaker 2: before eleven o'clock On news Talk sedb our Man in

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Speaker 2: the Garden is taking a close look at the insects

1159
00:58:02,693 --> 00:58:07,053
Speaker 2: and animals that can survive in really, really, really cold

1160
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Speaker 2: and harsh environments. Looking forward to that right now, it

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Speaker 2: has just gone ten thirty.

1162
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Speaker 4: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

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Speaker 18: Breakfast now, if you can believe in the concept of

1164
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Speaker 18: ethnic priority appears to be back in our health systems.

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Speaker 18: Balking the University Medical and Emeritus Professor D. S. Gordman's

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Speaker 18: with us, I understanding this is a deal between Health

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Speaker 18: Hawks Bay and the local primary health So is it

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Speaker 18: our business or the minister's business or the local business?

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Speaker 11: Do we have an issue here or not?

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Speaker 6: If you believe there are inequities in place which are

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Speaker 6: driving inequalities, you don't solve that by doing something which

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Speaker 6: generates another set of equities or inequalities. The modern approach

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Speaker 6: to healthcare MIK is to focus on the individual's individual

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Speaker 6: families in need and put the resources in place that

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Speaker 6: they need.

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Speaker 3: To actually improve or a cur and do well.

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Speaker 6: At the minute you start aggregating risks and the level

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Speaker 6: of race, you've lost focus.

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Speaker 18: Back Monday from six am the Mic Asking Breakfast, the

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Speaker 18: Jaguar if Pace News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Zed Beny seven to eleven on news Talk zedb. Elon

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Speaker 2: Musk might have a new job in a few months,

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Speaker 2: as though he needs one. If Donald drumb when's the

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Speaker 2: presentiency our textboit Paul Stenhouse is here with the details. Paul,

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Speaker 2: what gig does Elon maybe have?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just trying to count them up.

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Speaker 19: He's got X formerly Twitter, SpaceX, Tesla and that's.

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Speaker 11: Just kind of the big ones.

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Speaker 3: Ye.

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Speaker 19: So now he could also be heading up a committee,

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Speaker 19: a federal government committee to audit the federal government.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, how would that work?

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Speaker 19: If I could pick any job for Elon Musk to

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Speaker 19: help the federal government with a committee to audit what

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Speaker 19: apparently is going to be about fraud and improper payments, would.

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Speaker 4: Not be it.

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Speaker 2: But that's all we know so far.

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Speaker 19: So Donald Trump has said that he's going to Elon

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Speaker 19: is happy to take on this role, and they The

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Speaker 19: only thing we really know is that within the first

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Speaker 19: six months they are going to develop a plan to

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Speaker 19: eliminate fraud and improper payments.

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Speaker 11: But that's it.

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Speaker 19: And I do think that there are probably some really

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Speaker 19: interesting things that he could work on, like, you know,

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Speaker 19: so improving the online services for example, of the government.

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Speaker 11: I would put them straight into something like that.

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Speaker 19: Wouldn't it be nice if you could, you know, do

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Speaker 19: your taxes online in a really simple way instead of

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Speaker 19: it being an absolutely horrible process. But can I point

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Speaker 19: out one thing Jack for those who may not know,

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Speaker 19: you know, Donald Trump's make America great again came from

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Speaker 19: Ronald Reagan, who also happened to have a thing and

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Speaker 19: audit committee during the eighties called the Grace Commission. Ah,

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Speaker 19: so it is yet another Donald Trump Ronald Reagan parallel.

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Speaker 4: I have to see.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it might be a parallel in name,

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Speaker 2: but I think there's other differing qualities between the two men. Anyway, Hey,

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Speaker 2: Apple's support for USB A could be ending soon. Apple's

1220
01:00:53,453 --> 01:00:56,373
Speaker 2: got its big launch event coming up, right, Yeah, and so.

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Speaker 19: The chance of us getting a new iPhone is about

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Speaker 19: ninety nine point nine nine percent, So let's just wait

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Speaker 19: until we see what that looks like. But yeah, I'm

1224
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Speaker 19: interested in the Mac Mini because the reporting is is

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Speaker 19: that USB A support could be being dropped from the

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Speaker 19: Mac Mini, which doesn't seem kind of like a hugely

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Speaker 19: interesting thing on the surface, but the Mac Mini really

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Speaker 19: hasn't changed a lot since it was released. In fact,

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Speaker 19: it's still basically got the same form factor.

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Speaker 2: And so the fact that they're now started a form

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Speaker 2: factor sorry, like it's.

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Speaker 19: It's sorry, it's look, it's like yeah right, yeah uh.

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Speaker 19: And so the fact that they're now taking something away

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Speaker 19: from it makes me think that maybe USB A is

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Speaker 19: just done and I think that's good because I don't

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Speaker 19: know how many times I've had to crawl under things,

1237
01:01:45,493 --> 01:01:48,213
Speaker 19: around things to try to work out which way the

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Speaker 19: plug is.

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Speaker 11: Supposed to go.

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Speaker 2: You put it in the first time, it doesn't fit.

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Speaker 19: You turn around, you put it in, it still doesn't fit.

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Speaker 2: Somehow, when you turn it over again, it does fit.

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Speaker 19: I don't get it, So I'm good riddence to USB

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Speaker 19: A USB C.

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Speaker 4: It's so much easier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So for anyone who's confused between USB a's

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Speaker 2: and c's, A is just the like when we say USB,

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Speaker 2: that's what we think of, right, that's what we think. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1249
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Speaker 2: yeah yeah the classic. So I've got an Apple MacBook

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Speaker 2: ear and that doesn't have one that just goes yeah,

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Speaker 2: that just has the sea has the new one. So

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Speaker 2: I suppose I suppose we're kind of hitting this way. Okay, Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much, Paul, appreciate your time as per listening.

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Speaker 2: Little term for us form factor form factor. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to try and slip that into my language when I

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Speaker 2: get home to the same might see my wife. Ah

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Speaker 2: really heaven for love say, I like it's form factor.

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Speaker 2: Twenty three minutes to live in you wejectator on News Talks.

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Speaker 11: He'd be.

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Speaker 4: A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

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Speaker 1: Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and Bepurart

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Speaker 1: on code on In for high Quality Supplements Used TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one to live in on News Talks, it'd b

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Speaker 2: It is Prostate Cancer Awareness Month. There are still four

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Speaker 2: thousand New Zealand men who are diagnosed with prostate cancer

1266
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Speaker 2: every year, and seven hundred men die from prostate cancer

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Speaker 2: every year. Doctor Brian b is with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Counter Brian. Clearly those numbers indicate it's still a really

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Speaker 2: significant problem. It's the second highest cause of cancer death

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand men.

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Speaker 20: You know, it is jacket. It is a real issue

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Speaker 20: for men. And you know, we've talked previously about men

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Speaker 20: sort of I suppose being bulletproof and not taking note

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Speaker 20: of their health. And yet these stats are really really

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Speaker 20: alarming that four thousand minute year are diagnosed. Now there's

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Speaker 20: something you can do about it, which we'll talk about.

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Speaker 20: And that's what's really important that I think men need

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Speaker 20: to be proactive around something like prostate cancer because you

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Speaker 20: can pick it up early, you can diagnose it early,

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Speaker 20: and you can cure it, and that I think is

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Speaker 20: the big big thing. And in fact, interestingly enough, over time,

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Speaker 20: what we've seen is that the number of men being

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Speaker 20: diagnosed as going up, but the death rate is going

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Speaker 20: down because we're picking up the cancers earlier, and that's

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Speaker 20: really really important. So if you are diagnosed with prostate cancer,

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Speaker 20: you know, survival rate over five years is about ninety

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Speaker 20: five percent, and ninety percent of men will be alive

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Speaker 20: after ten years, and that's that's often because we are

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Speaker 20: picking up the cancer earlier it can be treated or

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Speaker 20: the other other issue that ariseses. Sometimes the cancers grow

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01:04:23,613 --> 01:04:27,573
Speaker 20: very very slowly and they won't kill you. So yeah,

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01:04:27,653 --> 01:04:30,773
Speaker 20: this early detection thing is really really important.

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01:04:30,293 --> 01:04:32,653
Speaker 2: Absolutely vital. So what are the symptoms that can indicate

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01:04:32,733 --> 01:04:33,453
Speaker 2: prostate cancer?

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01:04:34,133 --> 01:04:36,293
Speaker 20: Yeah, so look, it's important to look out for any

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01:04:36,333 --> 01:04:38,373
Speaker 20: and who's listening to this need to watch out for this.

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01:04:38,613 --> 01:04:41,813
Speaker 20: So I suppose the key things If you suddenly find

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01:04:41,853 --> 01:04:46,093
Speaker 20: that you need to start to urinate urgently, because the

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01:04:46,173 --> 01:04:48,493
Speaker 20: prostate sits at the base of the bladder and it's

1300
01:04:48,613 --> 01:04:50,933
Speaker 20: increasing in size, it starts to put pressure on the bladder.

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01:04:51,013 --> 01:04:55,013
Speaker 20: So this urinating early urgently becomes a slight issue, maybe

1302
01:04:55,133 --> 01:04:58,093
Speaker 20: difficulty in getting started with your urine, or a weak

1303
01:04:58,453 --> 01:05:00,813
Speaker 20: urine stream so you notice it's not as strong as

1304
01:05:00,853 --> 01:05:03,773
Speaker 20: it normally is, or dribbling after you're finished. So these

1305
01:05:03,813 --> 01:05:06,773
Speaker 20: are very specific symptoms that can occur. Blood in the

1306
01:05:06,893 --> 01:05:10,013
Speaker 20: urine is something you should always always get checked.

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01:05:10,613 --> 01:05:10,773
Speaker 4: Now.

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01:05:11,093 --> 01:05:14,013
Speaker 20: The thing to note, though, there are other reasons for

1309
01:05:14,173 --> 01:05:16,973
Speaker 20: those symptoms, so we need to be careful here. There

1310
01:05:17,013 --> 01:05:20,933
Speaker 20: are other benign, non cancerous reasons. Probably the commonest is

1311
01:05:21,013 --> 01:05:24,853
Speaker 20: something called benign prostatic hypertrcy. That's where the prostate gradually

1312
01:05:24,933 --> 01:05:27,893
Speaker 20: gets larger over time, and most men over the age

1313
01:05:27,893 --> 01:05:30,853
Speaker 20: of fifty get that. That's what happens, and that's majority

1314
01:05:30,893 --> 01:05:33,613
Speaker 20: of these symptoms is due to that. There's another one

1315
01:05:33,693 --> 01:05:36,373
Speaker 20: called prostatitis, where you get an infection in the prostate

1316
01:05:36,413 --> 01:05:39,533
Speaker 20: and that can cause similar sort of symptoms. So it

1317
01:05:39,733 --> 01:05:43,373
Speaker 20: may not be prostate cancer. It's causing the symptoms. However,

1318
01:05:43,453 --> 01:05:46,453
Speaker 20: it could be, which is why it's so so important.

1319
01:05:46,493 --> 01:05:49,453
Speaker 20: If you start to develop that and notice that these

1320
01:05:49,573 --> 01:05:52,733
Speaker 20: please go to your GP and get it checked. That's

1321
01:05:53,093 --> 01:05:55,813
Speaker 20: probably the biggest thing here to work out what's going.

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01:05:55,693 --> 01:05:58,293
Speaker 2: On and what should we be doing as a kind

1323
01:05:58,293 --> 01:06:00,493
Speaker 2: of proactive check for prostate cancer.

1324
01:06:01,413 --> 01:06:05,533
Speaker 20: Yeah, no, this is really important. So what's been sort

1325
01:06:05,573 --> 01:06:08,773
Speaker 20: of recommended, said by the Prostate Cancer Society in New

1326
01:06:08,853 --> 01:06:11,693
Speaker 20: Zealand and sort of backed by a lot of practitioners now,

1327
01:06:12,413 --> 01:06:14,573
Speaker 20: is that from the age of fifty years on which

1328
01:06:14,813 --> 01:06:16,693
Speaker 20: you should really go and have a chat to your

1329
01:06:16,773 --> 01:06:21,173
Speaker 20: doctor about getting a prostate check. Okay, So now if

1330
01:06:21,213 --> 01:06:23,493
Speaker 20: you've got a family history, so you've had a father,

1331
01:06:23,653 --> 01:06:27,533
Speaker 20: a brother or close reality who's had prostate cancer early on,

1332
01:06:27,733 --> 01:06:29,893
Speaker 20: then from the age of forty you should be having

1333
01:06:29,933 --> 01:06:34,733
Speaker 20: that discussion. Now, the checks are relatively simple, so if

1334
01:06:34,773 --> 01:06:37,413
Speaker 20: you decide to have one, it's a blood test called

1335
01:06:37,413 --> 01:06:41,373
Speaker 20: a PSA and if that's elevated, it could indicate a problem,

1336
01:06:41,693 --> 01:06:43,933
Speaker 20: but it may not be and that's again really important

1337
01:06:43,973 --> 01:06:46,333
Speaker 20: that it could be something like the sybering lunch proceceps

1338
01:06:46,453 --> 01:06:49,773
Speaker 20: is not cancer, but it could indicate cancer. The other

1339
01:06:49,853 --> 01:06:52,373
Speaker 20: thing we do is a quick what's called rectal examination

1340
01:06:52,453 --> 01:06:54,773
Speaker 20: where we feel the prostate through the rectum and we

1341
01:06:54,813 --> 01:06:56,973
Speaker 20: can just feel if it's getting enlarged or there's any

1342
01:06:57,053 --> 01:07:00,053
Speaker 20: lumps or bumps or anything we should be worried about. Now,

1343
01:07:00,253 --> 01:07:03,533
Speaker 20: if the PSA is going up, we sometimes just watch

1344
01:07:03,573 --> 01:07:06,573
Speaker 20: it and see what's going on, or we need to

1345
01:07:06,773 --> 01:07:09,013
Speaker 20: sort of intervene and sort of start to think about

1346
01:07:09,053 --> 01:07:10,053
Speaker 20: some additional tests.

1347
01:07:10,173 --> 01:07:13,253
Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay, talk to us about treatment. Then what happens.

1348
01:07:14,173 --> 01:07:16,813
Speaker 20: Yeah, So look, so you know, if we think there's

1349
01:07:16,853 --> 01:07:19,933
Speaker 20: a problem, there's some things that are routinely done. Now,

1350
01:07:20,093 --> 01:07:22,613
Speaker 20: so if PSA has gone up, we're thinking, well, could

1351
01:07:22,653 --> 01:07:25,013
Speaker 20: this be cancer or not? And in many cases it's not.

1352
01:07:26,453 --> 01:07:28,613
Speaker 20: We do some tests so that we some further blood

1353
01:07:28,693 --> 01:07:32,013
Speaker 20: test done. Often often there'll be now done what's called

1354
01:07:32,053 --> 01:07:35,053
Speaker 20: an MRI scan, which is a very specialized scan called

1355
01:07:35,093 --> 01:07:38,053
Speaker 20: a magnetic resonance imaging scan to look at the prostate

1356
01:07:38,133 --> 01:07:40,933
Speaker 20: to pick up any changes in the prostate. And then

1357
01:07:41,013 --> 01:07:44,413
Speaker 20: sometimes some men end up having what's called a prostate biopsy,

1358
01:07:44,773 --> 01:07:48,373
Speaker 20: where there's needles popped into the prostate through the rectamor

1359
01:07:48,533 --> 01:07:51,333
Speaker 20: or through the paranoun and some little samples are taken

1360
01:07:51,373 --> 01:07:55,133
Speaker 20: out to test at the laboratory to look for cancer. Now,

1361
01:07:55,613 --> 01:07:59,893
Speaker 20: if it is diagnosed that look it is cancer. Then

1362
01:07:59,973 --> 01:08:03,653
Speaker 20: there's really four main approaches. The approach number one is

1363
01:08:03,693 --> 01:08:06,253
Speaker 20: to watch and wait. So I made the comment that

1364
01:08:06,533 --> 01:08:10,253
Speaker 20: some prostate cancers are very very slow growing. So once

1365
01:08:10,293 --> 01:08:12,173
Speaker 20: you look at them under the microscope and see what

1366
01:08:12,253 --> 01:08:15,133
Speaker 20: they sort of classify what's going to happen. So for

1367
01:08:15,173 --> 01:08:17,773
Speaker 20: a lot of men, it's basically a six monthly review

1368
01:08:18,253 --> 01:08:21,413
Speaker 20: a MRI once a year just to check it and

1369
01:08:21,533 --> 01:08:23,653
Speaker 20: to make sure nothing's happening. And it's called a watch

1370
01:08:23,733 --> 01:08:27,253
Speaker 20: and weight strategy. Now where you decide to treat these

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01:08:27,333 --> 01:08:31,813
Speaker 20: three main treatments. One's radiotherapy where you sort of burn

1372
01:08:31,893 --> 01:08:34,413
Speaker 20: the cancer out, and that's a very very effective treatment.

1373
01:08:35,333 --> 01:08:38,693
Speaker 20: This prostatectomy where the prostate is actually removed and taken

1374
01:08:38,733 --> 01:08:42,533
Speaker 20: out by surgery. It's quite a big operation. It's removed

1375
01:08:42,573 --> 01:08:45,573
Speaker 20: and the prostate has just taken away. And the third

1376
01:08:45,693 --> 01:08:50,173
Speaker 20: one is what we call hormone treatment. Hormone blockers which

1377
01:08:50,253 --> 01:08:54,133
Speaker 20: retard and stop the growth of the prostate cancer. Now,

1378
01:08:54,173 --> 01:08:57,453
Speaker 20: that's often used before surgery to strength shrink the cancer

1379
01:08:58,213 --> 01:09:01,773
Speaker 20: or if the cancer has sort of spread beyond the prostate,

1380
01:09:02,373 --> 01:09:05,253
Speaker 20: it's used to control the cancer and can be very

1381
01:09:05,293 --> 01:09:08,213
Speaker 20: effective at doing that for a number of years. Okay,

1382
01:09:08,373 --> 01:09:10,613
Speaker 20: so number of treatments, number of things you can do.

1383
01:09:10,893 --> 01:09:13,613
Speaker 20: But look, I'll tell you what the big big thing is.

1384
01:09:13,653 --> 01:09:16,093
Speaker 20: If you get any of those symptoms, please please go

1385
01:09:16,253 --> 01:09:19,653
Speaker 20: and see your GP. Yeah, discuss whether the prostate check

1386
01:09:19,733 --> 01:09:21,653
Speaker 20: is required, because I tell you what, I've got a

1387
01:09:21,813 --> 01:09:24,733
Speaker 20: number of patients now who are so so grateful they

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01:09:24,773 --> 01:09:27,613
Speaker 20: went into that, and that's probably the big, big message.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's such a good message, such a vital message, Brian,

1390
01:09:30,653 --> 01:09:32,013
Speaker 2: thank you. We've got one right here.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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01:09:32,813 --> 01:09:36,373
Speaker 2: Hi, I'm fifty nine. Eighteen months ago, my yearly PSA

1393
01:09:36,533 --> 01:09:39,213
Speaker 2: test came back higher than previous, so I got it investigated.

1394
01:09:39,253 --> 01:09:41,733
Speaker 2: I had a biopsy done. It came back with low

1395
01:09:41,853 --> 01:09:44,693
Speaker 2: grade cancer, so we watched it. Six months later, I

1396
01:09:44,773 --> 01:09:47,853
Speaker 2: had another biopsy done and that was graded higher, so

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01:09:48,053 --> 01:09:50,693
Speaker 2: they offered us treatment. My wife and I decided on surgery.

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01:09:50,813 --> 01:09:52,733
Speaker 2: I have my prostate removed at the beginning of May.

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01:09:52,853 --> 01:09:54,853
Speaker 2: My recovery has been great and I'm now a cured

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01:09:54,933 --> 01:09:58,333
Speaker 2: life is wonderful. That's so good to hear. Thank you

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01:09:58,453 --> 01:10:01,453
Speaker 2: for sharing that. And it is such an important thing

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01:10:01,493 --> 01:10:04,653
Speaker 2: to keep in mind because, as Brian says, so many

1403
01:10:04,733 --> 01:10:07,533
Speaker 2: key we guys like to think they're bulletproof from time

1404
01:10:07,613 --> 01:10:09,693
Speaker 2: to time. So we'll have more details about prostate a

1405
01:10:09,733 --> 01:10:12,613
Speaker 2: weitness month up on the newstalks 'DB website. Right now,

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Speaker 2: it is thirteen minutes to eleven.

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Speaker 4: With still Sharp Don't Best their biggest spring sale ever.

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Speaker 2: Well, we are doing things a little bit differently this

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Speaker 2: Saturday morning. It's usually this time every week that we

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01:10:24,813 --> 01:10:27,053
Speaker 2: catch up with our man in the garden Roote client past,

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Speaker 2: and we're still catching up with our man in the

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Speaker 2: garden Route client past, but this morning he has brought company,

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01:10:32,853 --> 01:10:37,133
Speaker 2: killed the Root and Kilday Jacob Anderson, PhD.

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Speaker 4: How are you doing good?

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Speaker 21: Hi Jack, Nice to hear from you.

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01:10:41,853 --> 01:10:44,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, you too, Thank you so much for being with us.

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01:10:44,173 --> 01:10:46,853
Speaker 2: So we're just going to explain things here so everyone

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01:10:46,973 --> 01:10:48,613
Speaker 2: understands where we're going rude. We want to have a

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Speaker 2: talk this morning about some of the insects and animals

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01:10:51,413 --> 01:10:56,253
Speaker 2: that can survive in freezing conditions. And Jacob is an

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01:10:56,293 --> 01:10:59,013
Speaker 2: old mate of yours from the Sir Peter Black Trust

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01:10:59,533 --> 01:11:02,093
Speaker 2: who's got us PhD and is now research scientist at

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01:11:02,133 --> 01:11:06,253
Speaker 2: the Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory. And it is fascinating to consider,

1424
01:11:06,853 --> 01:11:10,053
Speaker 2: even with a warming planet, the impacts of climate change

1425
01:11:10,133 --> 01:11:12,253
Speaker 2: on those animals who live in the coldest parts of

1426
01:11:12,333 --> 01:11:14,253
Speaker 2: our world. So I'm going to run through a few

1427
01:11:14,253 --> 01:11:17,173
Speaker 2: different species and gents, I'm going to get you to

1428
01:11:17,493 --> 01:11:20,413
Speaker 2: explain how these animals were able to thrive in such

1429
01:11:20,493 --> 01:11:23,253
Speaker 2: harsh conditions. So let's start off with the Greenland wolf.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, well, we just came back from Greenland last month.

1431
01:11:28,973 --> 01:11:32,613
Speaker 21: We were doing field work unrelated to the Greenland wolf,

1432
01:11:32,653 --> 01:11:36,693
Speaker 21: but we happen to find these footprints as we were

1433
01:11:36,773 --> 01:11:38,573
Speaker 21: going to the edge of the Greenland ice sheet, and

1434
01:11:38,653 --> 01:11:40,573
Speaker 21: then as we kind of walked up a little bit further,

1435
01:11:40,693 --> 01:11:45,213
Speaker 21: we then saw this Greenland wolf, which is the subspecies

1436
01:11:45,293 --> 01:11:50,053
Speaker 21: of the gray wolf. Their population is only about two hundred,

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01:11:50,573 --> 01:11:54,453
Speaker 21: so very very rare. And what's really interesting is because

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01:11:54,733 --> 01:11:57,173
Speaker 21: the area that we were working in is so remote,

1439
01:11:57,573 --> 01:12:00,613
Speaker 21: there's actually not a lot of understanding about their range

1440
01:12:00,653 --> 01:12:04,813
Speaker 21: and their population, but they're only really situated in that

1441
01:12:04,973 --> 01:12:08,093
Speaker 21: northern and northeastern out of Greenland. There used to be

1442
01:12:08,253 --> 01:12:12,133
Speaker 21: a species in eastern Greenland, but in the early nineteen

1443
01:12:12,213 --> 01:12:16,893
Speaker 21: hundreds there was obviously a roaring fur trade. They didn't

1444
01:12:16,933 --> 01:12:20,053
Speaker 21: have the same economic value as the Arctic fox, but

1445
01:12:20,653 --> 01:12:24,133
Speaker 21: they basically poisoned them to extinction in East Greenland.

1446
01:12:24,293 --> 01:12:27,253
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's such a shame. Yeah, but extraordinary that

1447
01:12:27,293 --> 01:12:30,453
Speaker 2: you're able to see one, Jacob, I mean, that's quite remarkable. Yeah,

1448
01:12:30,533 --> 01:12:31,213
Speaker 2: are they beautiful.

1449
01:12:31,253 --> 01:12:32,053
Speaker 4: How do they kind of look?

1450
01:12:32,853 --> 01:12:35,533
Speaker 21: So, I mean I didn't really know what to expect,

1451
01:12:36,013 --> 01:12:38,573
Speaker 21: to be honest, and none of us are kind of

1452
01:12:38,973 --> 01:12:41,693
Speaker 21: really looking for it. It just kind of found us.

1453
01:12:41,853 --> 01:12:42,093
Speaker 4: Really.

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01:12:42,413 --> 01:12:45,173
Speaker 21: We were really in a really remote place, far from

1455
01:12:45,213 --> 01:12:48,173
Speaker 21: the coast, so we weren't expecting to see anything. But

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01:12:49,013 --> 01:12:51,733
Speaker 21: I would say there was smaller wolf, not that they've

1457
01:12:51,813 --> 01:12:55,733
Speaker 21: spent a huge amount of time with wolves, but definitely

1458
01:12:55,893 --> 01:12:58,773
Speaker 21: they're pretty scarce on food up there, so they're not

1459
01:12:58,853 --> 01:13:00,053
Speaker 21: as big as some of their cousins.

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01:13:00,253 --> 01:13:03,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, the snake species almost sounds like an oxy moron

1461
01:13:04,093 --> 01:13:07,173
Speaker 2: because most of us think the mosquitoes own thrive and

1462
01:13:07,333 --> 01:13:10,413
Speaker 2: warm tropical places. Tell us about the Arctic mosquito.

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01:13:11,653 --> 01:13:13,573
Speaker 21: Yes, yes, so did I Until about a month ago

1464
01:13:13,653 --> 01:13:16,733
Speaker 21: as well, I couldn't believe it. We were at about

1465
01:13:16,773 --> 01:13:23,333
Speaker 21: eighty one degrees north latitude and the one day it

1466
01:13:23,493 --> 01:13:27,533
Speaker 21: got above freezing, mosquitoes all just kind of came out

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01:13:27,533 --> 01:13:31,453
Speaker 21: of nowhere and started biting us and feeding feeding on us.

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01:13:31,533 --> 01:13:35,973
Speaker 21: And usually they're they're looking for caribou or reindeer and

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01:13:36,013 --> 01:13:40,533
Speaker 21: getting blood from them. But I guess some scientists had

1470
01:13:40,573 --> 01:13:44,053
Speaker 21: to do when we showed up, But they actually they

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01:13:44,133 --> 01:13:47,093
Speaker 21: actually caused a lot of strife for the cariboo. But

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01:13:48,013 --> 01:13:52,093
Speaker 21: crazy species. They're basically frozen as eggs in these small

1473
01:13:52,213 --> 01:13:55,173
Speaker 21: ponds over the winter and then for a few summer

1474
01:13:55,253 --> 01:13:59,213
Speaker 21: months they hatch and then look for whatever they can

1475
01:13:59,373 --> 01:14:03,013
Speaker 21: to find blood. But yeah, they annoyed us for one day,

1476
01:14:03,053 --> 01:14:03,573
Speaker 21: that's for sure.

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01:14:03,733 --> 01:14:06,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible hate nose bottom Maggie. Is there something

1478
01:14:07,013 --> 01:14:07,933
Speaker 2: else you want to avoid?

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01:14:08,773 --> 01:14:10,853
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think so, because these are the things that

1480
01:14:11,693 --> 01:14:14,653
Speaker 17: you find in carribou as well. So there's a lot

1481
01:14:14,693 --> 01:14:17,813
Speaker 17: of insects actually in that I mean, I've seen my

1482
01:14:17,933 --> 01:14:20,853
Speaker 17: stuff from Alaska, not from Greenland. So this is why

1483
01:14:21,373 --> 01:14:25,093
Speaker 17: I asked Jacob Jacob to come and have a chat

1484
01:14:25,133 --> 01:14:28,093
Speaker 17: about this as well. The nosebot maggot, also known as

1485
01:14:28,133 --> 01:14:33,213
Speaker 17: the carribou warbler flies, are huge maggots that are not

1486
01:14:33,613 --> 01:14:37,653
Speaker 17: that basically spent their life cycle in the nostrils of

1487
01:14:37,853 --> 01:14:42,333
Speaker 17: a caribou. Unbelievable, So in that cold place they have

1488
01:14:42,453 --> 01:14:45,173
Speaker 17: to go inside the nostrils of these carriboo in.

1489
01:14:45,333 --> 01:14:46,093
Speaker 2: Order to survive.

1490
01:14:46,493 --> 01:14:49,253
Speaker 17: But what I really enjoyed was a little quote from

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01:14:49,373 --> 01:14:54,373
Speaker 17: some caribou hunters that says, heavily infested carribou maybe tormented

1492
01:14:54,933 --> 01:14:58,733
Speaker 17: by the irritating presence of those parasites. And they might

1493
01:14:58,813 --> 01:15:02,333
Speaker 17: be thinner than other cariboos, but the caribou meat is

1494
01:15:02,413 --> 01:15:03,493
Speaker 17: still okay to eat.

1495
01:15:04,813 --> 01:15:05,933
Speaker 14: I thought it was wonderful.

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01:15:06,373 --> 01:15:08,893
Speaker 2: It enlightened you. And what delighted me, rude, is seeing

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01:15:08,893 --> 01:15:11,253
Speaker 2: the photograph of you holding those maggots up to your

1498
01:15:11,253 --> 01:15:14,293
Speaker 2: own face, just the context site.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it shows you how big these

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Speaker 17: bums are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing they are. They're not like the size

1502
01:15:20,333 --> 01:15:22,853
Speaker 2: of an almond or something like that, aren't they exactly?

1503
01:15:23,293 --> 01:15:23,773
Speaker 4: Exactly?

1504
01:15:24,173 --> 01:15:26,893
Speaker 17: And this is the point too, that these particular megats

1505
01:15:26,933 --> 01:15:30,533
Speaker 17: have adapter to living there, and so has the frog,

1506
01:15:31,453 --> 01:15:35,173
Speaker 17: the rana silvesters, the frozen frog in Alaska that can

1507
01:15:35,293 --> 01:15:41,573
Speaker 17: stand or minus twenty degrees or freezes solid, solidly frozen. Yeah,

1508
01:15:41,773 --> 01:15:45,253
Speaker 17: and then thaws out in spring, going like bug that

1509
01:15:45,493 --> 01:15:47,653
Speaker 17: was heavy, heavy winter, you know what I mean.

1510
01:15:47,933 --> 01:15:49,013
Speaker 4: That's sort of feeling you get.

1511
01:15:49,373 --> 01:15:52,213
Speaker 17: And they walk off as if nothing happened. And there

1512
01:15:52,293 --> 01:15:55,213
Speaker 17: are even creatures in New Zealand that do that. We've

1513
01:15:55,253 --> 01:15:59,293
Speaker 17: got a mountain stone weather that lives in our mountains,

1514
01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:01,773
Speaker 17: in the rock and billers for instance, that can withstand

1515
01:16:01,853 --> 01:16:04,613
Speaker 17: and there's eleven and does exactly the same thing. It

1516
01:16:04,813 --> 01:16:06,973
Speaker 17: is unbelievable how these in can do that.

1517
01:16:07,213 --> 01:16:10,693
Speaker 2: So they're basically cryogenically freezing themselves in winter. Yeah, just

1518
01:16:10,773 --> 01:16:13,733
Speaker 2: so frozen solid, and then once the weather warms up

1519
01:16:13,733 --> 01:16:16,773
Speaker 2: a little bit, they're able to de ice. I feel like, yes,

1520
01:16:16,973 --> 01:16:17,893
Speaker 2: that's exactly.

1521
01:16:18,173 --> 01:16:20,973
Speaker 17: And they do that by putting more sugar into their

1522
01:16:21,053 --> 01:16:24,733
Speaker 17: cells and crystals between the cells so that the shells

1523
01:16:24,773 --> 01:16:26,093
Speaker 17: themselves don't get damage.

1524
01:16:26,093 --> 01:16:27,093
Speaker 10: It's quite an interesting.

1525
01:16:27,773 --> 01:16:29,133
Speaker 2: Well, if there's one thing I know how to do,

1526
01:16:29,213 --> 01:16:31,773
Speaker 2: it's putting more sugar into myself. So there you go,

1527
01:16:32,213 --> 01:16:35,173
Speaker 2: very good now, and ice on the glaciers.

1528
01:16:35,653 --> 01:16:38,413
Speaker 17: Yeah, that is the thing that only occurs in Alaska.

1529
01:16:38,493 --> 01:16:41,493
Speaker 17: And here comes the thing. It can stand minus ten degrees,

1530
01:16:41,573 --> 01:16:44,733
Speaker 17: no problem, and it can stand up to four point

1531
01:16:44,853 --> 01:16:46,893
Speaker 17: four degrees above zero.

1532
01:16:47,333 --> 01:16:50,253
Speaker 4: But if it gets higher than that they die.

1533
01:16:50,773 --> 01:16:53,973
Speaker 17: And these are amazing little worms tentimeters long, and they're

1534
01:16:53,973 --> 01:16:57,213
Speaker 17: the cleaner uppers off the glaciers and they basically clean

1535
01:16:57,333 --> 01:16:59,653
Speaker 17: up all the stuff they've got it from pollen to

1536
01:16:59,853 --> 01:17:04,653
Speaker 17: algae to even creatures that fly up glaciers like moths.

1537
01:17:04,773 --> 01:17:07,373
Speaker 17: And I've seen them do that. Yeah, and it's unbelievable.

1538
01:17:07,533 --> 01:17:08,093
Speaker 20: But there you go.

1539
01:17:08,613 --> 01:17:11,293
Speaker 17: I mean it's Jacob who does the climate change research.

1540
01:17:11,773 --> 01:17:14,293
Speaker 17: There are so many creatures that are endangered as a

1541
01:17:14,333 --> 01:17:16,893
Speaker 17: result of warmer temperatures.

1542
01:17:16,693 --> 01:17:17,973
Speaker 11: In the Arctic.

1543
01:17:18,173 --> 01:17:21,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you so much, guys. Jacob. I've got

1544
01:17:21,693 --> 01:17:23,653
Speaker 2: to say, I mean, we've sort of known each other

1545
01:17:23,693 --> 01:17:26,253
Speaker 2: for a wee while. Now Jacob has the world's most

1546
01:17:26,453 --> 01:17:31,173
Speaker 2: enviable Instagram account. If you're looking for someone to be

1547
01:17:31,253 --> 01:17:34,453
Speaker 2: posting amazing photos of science being done in extraordinary parts

1548
01:17:34,453 --> 01:17:36,693
Speaker 2: of the world, Jacob, you have the best Instagram account going.

1549
01:17:36,693 --> 01:17:37,013
Speaker 2: I reckon.

1550
01:17:38,093 --> 01:17:39,653
Speaker 21: Thank you, Jack. I was going to say as well,

1551
01:17:39,933 --> 01:17:43,133
Speaker 21: just on Route's comment about the ice worms. And this

1552
01:17:43,333 --> 01:17:46,573
Speaker 21: is really interesting too. As the surfaces of the ice

1553
01:17:46,613 --> 01:17:50,333
Speaker 21: get darker, so if there's more dark things like animals

1554
01:17:50,413 --> 01:17:54,853
Speaker 21: or algae or palms, of course the albedo effect or

1555
01:17:54,853 --> 01:17:58,333
Speaker 21: the ability to reflect changes and so the heat gets

1556
01:17:58,373 --> 01:18:01,533
Speaker 21: absorbed rather than reflected, which of course causes more milth

1557
01:18:01,613 --> 01:18:04,893
Speaker 21: as well. So as we see more of these dark

1558
01:18:05,333 --> 01:18:08,133
Speaker 21: things on the ice, and we also start to see

1559
01:18:08,413 --> 01:18:09,853
Speaker 21: more melt, Yeah.

1560
01:18:10,013 --> 01:18:12,333
Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing. Hey, thank you so much, guys. That

1561
01:18:12,493 --> 01:18:14,653
Speaker 2: is really really interesting. We're gonna put photographs of all

1562
01:18:14,733 --> 01:18:17,333
Speaker 2: of those different species up on the websites, so you

1563
01:18:17,333 --> 01:18:18,613
Speaker 2: can go and have a look at home, including that

1564
01:18:18,693 --> 01:18:20,613
Speaker 2: photo of Rude holding the maggots up to his face.

1565
01:18:20,653 --> 01:18:22,173
Speaker 2: Probably not for the first time in his life, let's

1566
01:18:22,213 --> 01:18:25,853
Speaker 2: be honest, knowing Rude. Jacob Anderson, PhD and Rude climb

1567
01:18:25,853 --> 01:18:28,413
Speaker 2: pass with us there. There's almost eleven o'clock on news

1568
01:18:28,453 --> 01:18:29,293
Speaker 2: Talk ZDB.

1569
01:18:29,733 --> 01:18:33,453
Speaker 1: Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going through

1570
01:18:33,533 --> 01:18:36,413
Speaker 1: the weekend with bpure dot co dot in here for

1571
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Speaker 1: high quality supplements used talk sib.

1572
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Speaker 2: I have done a terrible job of sharing something with

1573
01:19:05,853 --> 01:19:08,453
Speaker 2: you this morning if you're just turning on the radio

1574
01:19:08,973 --> 01:19:11,613
Speaker 2: before ten o'clock. Our cook Nikki Wicks gave us this

1575
01:19:11,773 --> 01:19:15,613
Speaker 2: amazing tamarillo and walnut merangue slice recipe. It should be

1576
01:19:15,693 --> 01:19:18,413
Speaker 2: up on the newstalks. He'd be website about now if

1577
01:19:18,453 --> 01:19:20,333
Speaker 2: you want to make that at home. It's really kind

1578
01:19:20,373 --> 01:19:22,653
Speaker 2: of rich and sweet. It has that tartness of the

1579
01:19:22,733 --> 01:19:25,973
Speaker 2: tamarillos offset with some sweetness as gorgeous anyway, so many

1580
01:19:26,013 --> 01:19:28,213
Speaker 2: of you have sent through some tamorillo tips which are

1581
01:19:28,293 --> 01:19:30,893
Speaker 2: very much appreciated for those of us who have been

1582
01:19:30,973 --> 01:19:32,973
Speaker 2: having a bit of a time with tamarillos over the

1583
01:19:33,093 --> 01:19:35,773
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. It turns out one of the

1584
01:19:35,893 --> 01:19:39,933
Speaker 2: best ways to eat tamarillo's raw if you don't want

1585
01:19:39,973 --> 01:19:42,013
Speaker 2: to waste any of the flesh, and given there about

1586
01:19:42,013 --> 01:19:44,133
Speaker 2: three thousand dollars a kilogram at the moment, this makes

1587
01:19:44,173 --> 01:19:46,693
Speaker 2: a lot of sense is to cover them in boiling

1588
01:19:46,773 --> 01:19:49,453
Speaker 2: water for just a couple of minutes and then give

1589
01:19:49,493 --> 01:19:51,573
Speaker 2: them a shock by putting them under cold water. You know,

1590
01:19:51,653 --> 01:19:53,293
Speaker 2: so you do the old hot water cold water thing,

1591
01:19:53,493 --> 01:19:56,213
Speaker 2: and apparently the skin slides off and so you get

1592
01:19:56,253 --> 01:19:59,773
Speaker 2: way better yield for your tamorillos. That's Peter's top tip. Anyway,

1593
01:20:00,453 --> 01:20:05,053
Speaker 2: Peter's top tamorillo tip, say that three times fast. Thank

1594
01:20:05,093 --> 01:20:07,533
Speaker 2: you very much for that, Do we appreciate it? Before

1595
01:20:07,813 --> 01:20:09,773
Speaker 2: midday on news talks, he'd be We're going to listen

1596
01:20:09,813 --> 01:20:12,933
Speaker 2: to some of Sabrina Carpenter's latest album. She feels like

1597
01:20:13,013 --> 01:20:16,413
Speaker 2: the kind of girl after Taalaswift obviously the car I

1598
01:20:16,453 --> 01:20:18,493
Speaker 2: think that's fair that the girl of pop music at

1599
01:20:18,533 --> 01:20:20,613
Speaker 2: the moment, So we'll play you some of her new

1600
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Speaker 2: album as well as that a brand new book from

1601
01:20:22,773 --> 01:20:25,333
Speaker 2: Lee Child. Can't wait for that, friend, of the show

1602
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Speaker 2: Lee Child has a new readout, so our book review

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01:20:27,693 --> 01:20:28,853
Speaker 2: is going to give us all the details.

1604
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Speaker 3: Right now.

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01:20:29,293 --> 01:20:34,373
Speaker 2: It is nine minutes past eleven and Google Sutherland from

1606
01:20:34,493 --> 01:20:36,613
Speaker 2: Umbrella Well Being is with us this morning.

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01:20:36,693 --> 01:20:41,093
Speaker 6: Calder Doogle Cura Jack just funny about tamarillos. My wife

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01:20:41,213 --> 01:20:47,133
Speaker 6: eats sliced tamarillos with salt on toast with salt. Wow.

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01:20:47,733 --> 01:20:51,053
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't know this is an option. So so

1610
01:20:51,173 --> 01:20:53,013
Speaker 2: did she have any sweetness there or whatsoever?

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01:20:53,173 --> 01:20:57,093
Speaker 6: Or just the just bread and where you're just toast

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01:20:57,133 --> 01:21:01,093
Speaker 6: and it's like, let's that's I like him a little

1613
01:21:01,133 --> 01:21:04,293
Speaker 6: bit of sugar. Yeah, I balance out the partners. Yeah,

1614
01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:07,213
Speaker 6: so it's I guess, different stroke for different folks.

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01:21:07,653 --> 01:21:07,853
Speaker 4: Man.

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01:21:08,173 --> 01:21:10,973
Speaker 2: That's very interesting. Okay, thank you do Goallie. I'm I'm

1617
01:21:11,013 --> 01:21:13,093
Speaker 2: intrigued by that. I wonder if the saltiness and the

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01:21:13,173 --> 01:21:16,173
Speaker 2: tart this gives you a different kind of amarillo experience.

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01:21:16,373 --> 01:21:16,573
Speaker 21: Yeah.

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01:21:16,773 --> 01:21:18,493
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've never been brave enough to try it.

1621
01:21:18,493 --> 01:21:19,053
Speaker 3: I've got to say.

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01:21:19,333 --> 01:21:19,573
Speaker 11: Yeah.

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01:21:20,413 --> 01:21:23,173
Speaker 2: Hey, So in the UK they've that they have been

1624
01:21:23,493 --> 01:21:29,453
Speaker 2: talking more and more about workers getting increasing worker rights

1625
01:21:29,893 --> 01:21:34,293
Speaker 2: to request four day weeks, right, yeah, and this is

1626
01:21:34,333 --> 01:21:36,253
Speaker 2: one of those things that has been bubbling away for

1627
01:21:36,293 --> 01:21:36,973
Speaker 2: a few years.

1628
01:21:37,093 --> 01:21:37,293
Speaker 4: I know.

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01:21:37,373 --> 01:21:39,653
Speaker 2: The perpetual trust thing in New Zealand was it was,

1630
01:21:40,613 --> 01:21:43,293
Speaker 2: you know that we're kind of a pioneering organization when

1631
01:21:43,333 --> 01:21:46,013
Speaker 2: it comes to the four day working week. But on

1632
01:21:46,173 --> 01:21:48,613
Speaker 2: the face of it, is it actually any good.

1633
01:21:50,173 --> 01:21:52,813
Speaker 6: Well I I saw that article and I went, oh,

1634
01:21:52,893 --> 01:21:55,453
Speaker 6: that sounds like a good thing, you know, four day

1635
01:21:55,493 --> 01:21:59,133
Speaker 6: working weeks, and and then I read it and I went, oh,

1636
01:21:59,213 --> 01:22:01,533
Speaker 6: I don't think that is a good thing, because actually

1637
01:22:02,413 --> 01:22:04,693
Speaker 6: it was the right. What they're talking about in the

1638
01:22:04,813 --> 01:22:08,453
Speaker 6: UK is the right or their ability to compress a

1639
01:22:08,853 --> 01:22:12,413
Speaker 6: five day working week, so forty hours into four days,

1640
01:22:12,493 --> 01:22:15,773
Speaker 6: so you work four ten hour days. I read that

1641
01:22:15,853 --> 01:22:17,893
Speaker 6: and I went, oh, I don't think that's a great

1642
01:22:17,973 --> 01:22:21,213
Speaker 6: idea at all. I think that's a good pathway to

1643
01:22:21,333 --> 01:22:24,893
Speaker 6: burn out really, And it was one of those I

1644
01:22:25,013 --> 01:22:28,013
Speaker 6: think so, I mean, you know, if you were if

1645
01:22:28,013 --> 01:22:30,133
Speaker 6: you take into account travel time and that kind of thing,

1646
01:22:30,173 --> 01:22:31,893
Speaker 6: if you're working a ten hour a day, let's say

1647
01:22:31,933 --> 01:22:35,333
Speaker 6: that's eight till six, I think that's ten hours. You know,

1648
01:22:35,413 --> 01:22:38,293
Speaker 6: you're probably leaving home at seven and getting home at seven,

1649
01:22:38,413 --> 01:22:41,693
Speaker 6: so that's there's not much room left in a normal

1650
01:22:41,773 --> 01:22:43,693
Speaker 6: day and then you're going to have Friday to kind

1651
01:22:43,733 --> 01:22:46,013
Speaker 6: of recover. And it's sort of like, well, what's the point?

1652
01:22:46,773 --> 01:22:50,333
Speaker 2: That's very interesting? Yeah see, I mean this is probably

1653
01:22:50,373 --> 01:22:53,013
Speaker 2: going to come as a shock to you. I have

1654
01:22:53,253 --> 01:22:55,693
Speaker 2: been accused of being a bit of a workaholic from

1655
01:22:55,773 --> 01:22:58,853
Speaker 2: time to time. Yeah, that's just the kind of the

1656
01:22:59,653 --> 01:23:01,093
Speaker 2: one of the arrows that I have to be in.

1657
01:23:02,653 --> 01:23:04,653
Speaker 2: And yeah, I reckon it sounds great.

1658
01:23:06,373 --> 01:23:07,013
Speaker 7: It's interesting.

1659
01:23:07,173 --> 01:23:08,893
Speaker 2: Well if you said to me, because I kind of

1660
01:23:08,933 --> 01:23:12,533
Speaker 2: do that anyway. But maybe that's just me being a

1661
01:23:12,573 --> 01:23:14,173
Speaker 2: bit of a workerhol you know, like I kind of

1662
01:23:14,573 --> 01:23:17,173
Speaker 2: like what times I start with Yesterday? I mean, yeah

1663
01:23:17,213 --> 01:23:19,293
Speaker 2: I started works. I probably got to work at eight

1664
01:23:19,373 --> 01:23:21,813
Speaker 2: yesterday and I finished at seven forty five. So yeah,

1665
01:23:22,333 --> 01:23:23,973
Speaker 2: I mean that wasn't necessarily day.

1666
01:23:23,973 --> 01:23:28,733
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean yeah, that's that's yeah interesting because yeah,

1667
01:23:28,773 --> 01:23:30,213
Speaker 6: for me that will be a bit of a nightmare.

1668
01:23:30,293 --> 01:23:32,973
Speaker 6: But but I think I wonder if what you know

1669
01:23:33,253 --> 01:23:34,773
Speaker 6: for you, maybe I wonder if it's one thing that

1670
01:23:34,893 --> 01:23:36,973
Speaker 6: there's you've got a lot of passion for your work,

1671
01:23:37,053 --> 01:23:39,173
Speaker 6: and that's you know that old saying if you, if you,

1672
01:23:39,573 --> 01:23:41,813
Speaker 6: if you, if you find a job you love, then

1673
01:23:41,853 --> 01:23:43,933
Speaker 6: you'll never work a day in the life, a day

1674
01:23:43,933 --> 01:23:45,973
Speaker 6: in your life kind of thing, because you're always But

1675
01:23:46,133 --> 01:23:48,093
Speaker 6: I mean, I think and if we're talking at four

1676
01:23:48,173 --> 01:23:51,173
Speaker 6: day working weeks, and you mentioned petual Guardian earlier that

1677
01:23:51,293 --> 01:23:53,133
Speaker 6: I think that's a much better way. And that's the

1678
01:23:53,293 --> 01:23:57,293
Speaker 6: one hundred eighty one hundred rule where you get work

1679
01:23:57,533 --> 01:23:59,453
Speaker 6: one hundred No, hang on, you get one hundred percent

1680
01:23:59,493 --> 01:24:01,893
Speaker 6: of the salary. You work eighty percent of the hours,

1681
01:24:01,933 --> 01:24:04,813
Speaker 6: so that's thirty two hours a week, and the company

1682
01:24:04,893 --> 01:24:09,533
Speaker 6: expects one hundred percent produce activity. So and every time

1683
01:24:09,693 --> 01:24:13,253
Speaker 6: that we almost every time, like ninety percent of the

1684
01:24:13,293 --> 01:24:16,933
Speaker 6: time that an organization tries it, it seems to work

1685
01:24:17,053 --> 01:24:20,493
Speaker 6: on almost every metric that they use to measure it. Yeah,

1686
01:24:20,933 --> 01:24:22,813
Speaker 6: and I know I know some people that are doing

1687
01:24:22,893 --> 01:24:25,133
Speaker 6: that and everything. I've got a friend who does it,

1688
01:24:25,173 --> 01:24:26,493
Speaker 6: and I said, oh, how's it going every time I

1689
01:24:26,533 --> 01:24:28,613
Speaker 6: see him, and he goes, ah, that's great, he said,

1690
01:24:28,613 --> 01:24:30,733
Speaker 6: I get this whole extra day off to do life

1691
01:24:30,813 --> 01:24:34,413
Speaker 6: admin on a Friday or whatever day he chooses, And yeah,

1692
01:24:34,533 --> 01:24:37,493
Speaker 6: it's just like, oh, now that's a great I think

1693
01:24:37,533 --> 01:24:39,373
Speaker 6: that's a great thing that you get all the still

1694
01:24:39,373 --> 01:24:41,813
Speaker 6: get all your pay that you only do four days

1695
01:24:41,853 --> 01:24:43,533
Speaker 6: in a week, which I think sounds much better.

1696
01:24:43,693 --> 01:24:47,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does sound good. I mean that's amazing if

1697
01:24:47,613 --> 01:24:50,053
Speaker 2: you do that. I think that one hundred percent productivity

1698
01:24:50,133 --> 01:24:52,453
Speaker 2: thing is the is the vital bit, right, Like if

1699
01:24:52,493 --> 01:24:55,853
Speaker 2: you're you know, there's kind of an expectation, there's almost

1700
01:24:55,973 --> 01:24:58,853
Speaker 2: like a yeah, I mean the firm sort of needs

1701
01:24:58,933 --> 01:25:02,053
Speaker 2: to be really you know, be really clear on that, right,

1702
01:25:02,173 --> 01:25:03,853
Speaker 2: Like if you are at work, we are expecting you

1703
01:25:03,933 --> 01:25:04,533
Speaker 2: to be working.

1704
01:25:05,453 --> 01:25:07,973
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, And look, and that's part of the rationale

1705
01:25:08,013 --> 01:25:10,893
Speaker 6: behind it is actually that we're not all that productive

1706
01:25:11,573 --> 01:25:13,533
Speaker 6: in our days when we're at work. So if we

1707
01:25:13,613 --> 01:25:17,013
Speaker 6: can increase the productivity of the time that we are

1708
01:25:17,093 --> 01:25:21,253
Speaker 6: at work, the reward or the payoff for the workers

1709
01:25:21,333 --> 01:25:24,573
Speaker 6: is that you get a day off and the company

1710
01:25:24,693 --> 01:25:28,093
Speaker 6: still gets and almost every when you look at the research,

1711
01:25:28,133 --> 01:25:31,773
Speaker 6: almost every organization that does it, their productivity often increases.

1712
01:25:33,093 --> 01:25:35,733
Speaker 6: And it's just that it seems to me a sort

1713
01:25:35,773 --> 01:25:38,813
Speaker 6: of the best of both worlds that the business gets

1714
01:25:38,853 --> 01:25:41,573
Speaker 6: what they want and probably more of it, and people

1715
01:25:41,653 --> 01:25:43,533
Speaker 6: get what they want. And it's like wow, it was

1716
01:25:43,653 --> 01:25:45,853
Speaker 6: kind of like, yeah, I'd like to do that, but

1717
01:25:45,973 --> 01:25:47,613
Speaker 6: you do have to do quite a bit of background

1718
01:25:47,693 --> 01:25:51,213
Speaker 6: to actually figure out what productivity is at your place,

1719
01:25:51,253 --> 01:25:53,053
Speaker 6: because most of us aren't sort of in a factory

1720
01:25:53,493 --> 01:25:56,573
Speaker 6: producing widgets that you can sort of easily count, so,

1721
01:25:56,693 --> 01:25:58,333
Speaker 6: you know, for example, for your job, I'm not sure

1722
01:25:58,373 --> 01:26:00,013
Speaker 6: how you measure productivity.

1723
01:26:00,213 --> 01:26:02,773
Speaker 2: No, I probably wouldn't fit it.

1724
01:26:02,893 --> 01:26:07,053
Speaker 6: Yeah, but we see everybody says that. Everybody goes, oh no, no,

1725
01:26:07,093 --> 01:26:08,493
Speaker 6: I wouldn't work for us because we have to do

1726
01:26:08,573 --> 01:26:10,973
Speaker 6: a B and C. And actually, I think that's a

1727
01:26:11,013 --> 01:26:12,773
Speaker 6: bit of a myth. I think that that if you

1728
01:26:12,893 --> 01:26:15,533
Speaker 6: sit down and nut it out, and it might take

1729
01:26:15,653 --> 01:26:17,373
Speaker 6: up you know, six months to a year to figure

1730
01:26:17,413 --> 01:26:20,373
Speaker 6: it out, but I think most businesses can probably do it.

1731
01:26:20,493 --> 01:26:22,493
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean that everybody has to work a four

1732
01:26:22,573 --> 01:26:24,653
Speaker 6: day week. Some people work a five day week, but

1733
01:26:24,773 --> 01:26:28,693
Speaker 6: they you know, they have shorter days, so shorter fewer

1734
01:26:28,733 --> 01:26:31,813
Speaker 6: hours every day. So I think it's an easy thing

1735
01:26:31,853 --> 01:26:33,293
Speaker 6: to do. People go on, I wouldn't work for us.

1736
01:26:33,293 --> 01:26:36,293
Speaker 6: Wouldn't work for us for the reasons, But don't get

1737
01:26:36,333 --> 01:26:37,253
Speaker 6: fooled by that method.

1738
01:26:37,413 --> 01:26:39,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, do you know, the more I've thought about it,

1739
01:26:39,853 --> 01:26:43,213
Speaker 2: just for speaking, I actually think I'm not into that.

1740
01:26:44,133 --> 01:26:46,053
Speaker 2: I'm not into the four times ten hours because like

1741
01:26:46,133 --> 01:26:50,973
Speaker 2: you say, it's the it's the transition time from going

1742
01:26:51,013 --> 01:26:53,973
Speaker 2: into work into not being at work at home, but

1743
01:26:54,173 --> 01:26:57,093
Speaker 2: you're basically your entire days gone, and like you get

1744
01:26:57,133 --> 01:27:00,253
Speaker 2: no time with family and stuff. So yeah, I think

1745
01:27:00,333 --> 01:27:01,573
Speaker 2: maybe that isn't going to work.

1746
01:27:01,693 --> 01:27:04,693
Speaker 6: But you probably do it from time to time, right,

1747
01:27:04,773 --> 01:27:06,333
Speaker 6: but just not all day every day.

1748
01:27:06,493 --> 01:27:06,693
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1749
01:27:06,933 --> 01:27:08,973
Speaker 2: If yeah, doing it like one or two days, you know,

1750
01:27:09,573 --> 01:27:12,013
Speaker 2: every fortnight or something, might be, it might be might

1751
01:27:12,053 --> 01:27:14,253
Speaker 2: be survivable. But if you're doing it the whole time,

1752
01:27:14,533 --> 01:27:17,413
Speaker 2: then yeah, I think it would just really grueling. But

1753
01:27:17,653 --> 01:27:19,493
Speaker 2: I think you're heading on a really important point. And

1754
01:27:19,613 --> 01:27:22,213
Speaker 2: this is one thing that I love in organizations, and

1755
01:27:22,373 --> 01:27:24,013
Speaker 2: I'm fortunate to have it in my job, and I

1756
01:27:24,053 --> 01:27:25,813
Speaker 2: get it. Not everyone is lucky enough to work in

1757
01:27:25,853 --> 01:27:28,453
Speaker 2: a job or an industry where this is possible. I reckon.

1758
01:27:28,493 --> 01:27:31,693
Speaker 2: There is so much to be said for workplaces that

1759
01:27:32,053 --> 01:27:36,373
Speaker 2: measure success by outcomes rather than inputs, and so so

1760
01:27:36,653 --> 01:27:39,493
Speaker 2: rather than saying to employees, you know, you are going

1761
01:27:39,533 --> 01:27:42,933
Speaker 2: to be doing these hours and this, they constantly met

1762
01:27:43,133 --> 01:27:45,573
Speaker 2: everything by outputs, so like, this is what we expect

1763
01:27:45,613 --> 01:27:48,453
Speaker 2: to be achieved, and if it is achieved, then you know,

1764
01:27:48,653 --> 01:27:52,733
Speaker 2: and you're leaving it quarter past four or good, it

1765
01:27:52,773 --> 01:27:55,973
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. And we're gonna we're gonna encourage a culture

1766
01:27:55,973 --> 01:27:58,493
Speaker 2: whereby you don't feel guilty for that. No one's judging

1767
01:27:58,573 --> 01:28:00,533
Speaker 2: you so long as the work is done. We're going

1768
01:28:00,573 --> 01:28:01,213
Speaker 2: to measure you on that.

1769
01:28:01,333 --> 01:28:05,493
Speaker 6: And that's great, you know, absolutely, And it's and that's

1770
01:28:05,493 --> 01:28:07,853
Speaker 6: sort of one hundred at eighty one hundred four day

1771
01:28:07,893 --> 01:28:10,573
Speaker 6: working week. And one thing I love about that, which

1772
01:28:10,653 --> 01:28:13,453
Speaker 6: is connected with what you were saying, is they basically

1773
01:28:13,613 --> 01:28:17,613
Speaker 6: give the solution to the people who are doing the

1774
01:28:17,653 --> 01:28:19,453
Speaker 6: work and saying, hey, look, this is what we want

1775
01:28:19,533 --> 01:28:23,373
Speaker 6: to achieve, and let's figure it out together. So it

1776
01:28:23,493 --> 01:28:25,453
Speaker 6: isn't management saying Okay, this is what you've got to

1777
01:28:25,493 --> 01:28:27,493
Speaker 6: do and this is how to learn it. Says you, guys,

1778
01:28:27,533 --> 01:28:29,653
Speaker 6: figure it out. You'll clear the people, you know the job,

1779
01:28:30,333 --> 01:28:33,253
Speaker 6: let's figure it out together, And almost universally it comes

1780
01:28:33,293 --> 01:28:37,173
Speaker 6: off that people feel better and enjoy work and keep producing.

1781
01:28:37,253 --> 01:28:40,893
Speaker 6: Probably even more so, I love the sort of democratization

1782
01:28:41,013 --> 01:28:42,893
Speaker 6: of it where everybody gets to say and how it

1783
01:28:42,933 --> 01:28:43,413
Speaker 6: can work.

1784
01:28:43,613 --> 01:28:46,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So what do you reckon people and organizations

1785
01:28:46,813 --> 01:28:48,373
Speaker 2: should do if they're interested in trying this?

1786
01:28:49,693 --> 01:28:51,773
Speaker 6: Well, I mean I think you do have to do

1787
01:28:51,893 --> 01:28:53,253
Speaker 6: quite a bit of setting up, and we've worked with

1788
01:28:53,413 --> 01:28:55,653
Speaker 6: organizations who have done it before, and often there can

1789
01:28:55,733 --> 01:28:58,093
Speaker 6: be like at least a six month maybe twelve months

1790
01:28:58,173 --> 01:29:00,773
Speaker 6: lead in time, and I might be exaggerating that slightly,

1791
01:29:00,893 --> 01:29:03,853
Speaker 6: but you do have to sit down and figure stuff out. So,

1792
01:29:04,333 --> 01:29:08,253
Speaker 6: you know, how do we measure product? How? You know,

1793
01:29:08,493 --> 01:29:11,493
Speaker 6: how can how would if we have to provide coverage

1794
01:29:11,493 --> 01:29:14,013
Speaker 6: five days a week, how would that work? There's also

1795
01:29:14,133 --> 01:29:16,653
Speaker 6: things to nut out about how do we make our

1796
01:29:16,773 --> 01:29:19,213
Speaker 6: time at work more efficient? And there's often lots of

1797
01:29:19,893 --> 01:29:22,573
Speaker 6: work that goes into having efficient meetings, Like many of

1798
01:29:22,653 --> 01:29:25,133
Speaker 6: us get stuck in sort of these endless meetings which

1799
01:29:25,293 --> 01:29:28,173
Speaker 6: which seem to have no huge purpose, and there are

1800
01:29:28,893 --> 01:29:31,293
Speaker 6: so I think the main thing is do your research,

1801
01:29:31,573 --> 01:29:33,573
Speaker 6: you know, go online. There's lots of examples that you

1802
01:29:33,653 --> 01:29:37,733
Speaker 6: can look at and and and start having some conversations

1803
01:29:37,773 --> 01:29:39,413
Speaker 6: about it, being aware that it's going to take a

1804
01:29:39,413 --> 01:29:40,693
Speaker 6: little bit of time to set up.

1805
01:29:40,813 --> 01:29:43,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great advice. Thank you so much. Doogle. I

1806
01:29:43,493 --> 01:29:45,253
Speaker 2: love how Doggle gets us thinking, you know, it gets

1807
01:29:45,293 --> 01:29:47,053
Speaker 2: us thinking about these sorts of things. Dogle. Some otherland

1808
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Speaker 2: there from Umbrell, Well being in a couple of minutes

1809
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Speaker 2: on newstalksz'b our travel correspondent is taking us to the

1810
01:29:52,613 --> 01:29:56,133
Speaker 2: Kona Coast in Hawaii, and don't forget before midday we're

1811
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1812
01:29:58,333 --> 01:30:00,293
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Speaker 7: To Mike kild to Jack, I have a question, what

1818
01:30:15,893 --> 01:30:18,453
Speaker 7: are you most excited about, Jack Tan. Would it be

1819
01:30:18,533 --> 01:30:21,333
Speaker 7: tomorrow morning's test or Wednesday's presidential debate?

1820
01:30:21,573 --> 01:30:21,773
Speaker 16: Oh?

1821
01:30:24,093 --> 01:30:27,733
Speaker 2: I reckon, I reckon. This is my my the three

1822
01:30:27,773 --> 01:30:32,093
Speaker 2: things I'm most excited about presidential debate clearly ahead, followed

1823
01:30:32,293 --> 01:30:35,333
Speaker 2: followed by the All Blacks test, but followed very closely

1824
01:30:35,453 --> 01:30:37,253
Speaker 2: by a game that isn't getting much attention, the All

1825
01:30:37,293 --> 01:30:40,493
Speaker 2: Whites Verst Mexico tomorrow afternoon. And I'm also very excited.

1826
01:30:40,133 --> 01:30:41,773
Speaker 7: About are playing that?

1827
01:30:42,573 --> 01:30:46,773
Speaker 2: Sorry where are they playing? The playing in California, So yeah,

1828
01:30:46,773 --> 01:30:48,333
Speaker 2: it could be interesting. I think they're going to probably

1829
01:30:48,373 --> 01:30:50,453
Speaker 2: be a few more Mexican fans than Keywis and that's

1830
01:30:50,493 --> 01:30:51,653
Speaker 2: a tough. That's a tough.

1831
01:30:54,373 --> 01:30:56,573
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's messed us last time, didn't Yeah.

1832
01:30:56,373 --> 01:30:58,653
Speaker 2: I think we've Yeah, yeah, it hasn't been easy. But

1833
01:30:59,013 --> 01:31:02,973
Speaker 2: and then we're playing Team USA after that, so tracky time.

1834
01:31:03,013 --> 01:31:06,253
Speaker 2: But no, it's good to begin experience against top level opposition.

1835
01:31:06,893 --> 01:31:09,253
Speaker 2: But when days, I mean, Wednesday's debate is going to

1836
01:31:09,293 --> 01:31:12,613
Speaker 2: be it's going to be amazing. Yeah, I just think

1837
01:31:12,653 --> 01:31:15,533
Speaker 2: there's a you know, like there are there are a

1838
01:31:15,613 --> 01:31:19,973
Speaker 2: few moments and presidential campaigns that often define heaps of

1839
01:31:20,013 --> 01:31:24,333
Speaker 2: the momentum that lasts thereafter. And usually you'd be like

1840
01:31:24,413 --> 01:31:29,013
Speaker 2: a debate has the potential to affect the contest. But

1841
01:31:29,133 --> 01:31:31,613
Speaker 2: I just reckon, Yeah, I reckon. There is just so

1842
01:31:31,933 --> 01:31:33,813
Speaker 2: much weighing on this one. It's going to be it's

1843
01:31:33,813 --> 01:31:34,813
Speaker 2: going to be amazing to watch.

1844
01:31:35,573 --> 01:31:39,773
Speaker 7: I actually reckon there is more pressure on Camela. No,

1845
01:31:39,893 --> 01:31:44,613
Speaker 7: definitely danger, there's a danger she could flame out. I reckon.

1846
01:31:45,373 --> 01:31:47,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely agree, there's a danger she

1847
01:31:47,933 --> 01:31:50,293
Speaker 2: could she could claim out. And it's interesting that they've

1848
01:31:50,373 --> 01:31:53,293
Speaker 2: decided for the rules and the debate, they're going to

1849
01:31:53,413 --> 01:31:55,333
Speaker 2: keep them as the same rules they had for Joe

1850
01:31:55,373 --> 01:31:58,333
Speaker 2: Biden's one where he just completely lost the hope of

1851
01:31:58,413 --> 01:32:01,413
Speaker 2: ever being president again in that they're going to mute

1852
01:32:01,533 --> 01:32:04,493
Speaker 2: the microphones. And it's funny because the two sides have

1853
01:32:04,613 --> 01:32:08,053
Speaker 2: reversed their position, so front this team now want the

1854
01:32:08,133 --> 01:32:12,493
Speaker 2: microphones to be used, whereas Carmaa's team want them to

1855
01:32:12,573 --> 01:32:15,453
Speaker 2: be open, whereas previously it was the other way around,

1856
01:32:15,773 --> 01:32:17,453
Speaker 2: way around. Yeah, it's going to be it's going to

1857
01:32:17,493 --> 01:32:19,693
Speaker 2: be amazing, to be fascinating. Now, usually I would be

1858
01:32:19,733 --> 01:32:22,933
Speaker 2: saying we're turning our attention to warmer climbs, given we

1859
01:32:23,053 --> 01:32:25,973
Speaker 2: are focusing on the ConA Coast in Hawaii. But how

1860
01:32:26,013 --> 01:32:26,853
Speaker 2: hot is it? Trust you?

1861
01:32:27,053 --> 01:32:27,373
Speaker 3: Right now?

1862
01:32:28,053 --> 01:32:28,973
Speaker 7: Twenty four degrees?

1863
01:32:30,573 --> 01:32:35,213
Speaker 2: That's amazing? Hello, yeaho spring is sprung, my gosh. Okay,

1864
01:32:35,293 --> 01:32:38,053
Speaker 2: it is still slightly warmer in Hawaii. But twenty four degrees.

1865
01:32:38,133 --> 01:32:41,573
Speaker 2: I mean that's positively t shirt territory, isn't it. That's

1866
01:32:41,933 --> 01:32:45,693
Speaker 2: certinly is Yeah, that's amazing. I've always said it, so yeah, Okay, anyway,

1867
01:32:45,773 --> 01:32:48,573
Speaker 2: so the ConA Coast Hawaii is the ConA Coast all

1868
01:32:48,613 --> 01:32:49,373
Speaker 2: about the beaches.

1869
01:32:50,253 --> 01:32:53,213
Speaker 7: Well, it's interesting, Jet because last week, of course, we

1870
01:32:53,293 --> 01:32:55,693
Speaker 7: talked about the Volcanoes National Park on the Big Island.

1871
01:32:55,853 --> 01:32:58,613
Speaker 7: And when you've had your full of that. You probably

1872
01:32:58,693 --> 01:33:00,933
Speaker 7: are looking for a bit of coastal time, a bit

1873
01:33:00,933 --> 01:33:03,733
Speaker 7: of a sea breeze. But the thing which are amazed

1874
01:33:03,813 --> 01:33:06,493
Speaker 7: me is the ConA Coast is so much more more

1875
01:33:06,573 --> 01:33:09,653
Speaker 7: than just sun and sand. It's basically a one hundred

1876
01:33:09,733 --> 01:33:14,053
Speaker 7: kilometer long sweep along Hawaii's western coast, and there were

1877
01:33:14,173 --> 01:33:18,573
Speaker 7: just so many experiences to check out, so much potent

1878
01:33:18,773 --> 01:33:22,493
Speaker 7: history and amazing attractions. The thing which I've noticed about

1879
01:33:23,733 --> 01:33:26,933
Speaker 7: New Zealander's love affair with Hawaii a lot of kiwis

1880
01:33:27,133 --> 01:33:31,413
Speaker 7: really like Maui because the pace is so much more

1881
01:33:31,493 --> 01:33:33,373
Speaker 7: laid back than say the bustle of Owahu.

1882
01:33:33,813 --> 01:33:34,213
Speaker 6: I reckon.

1883
01:33:34,253 --> 01:33:36,613
Speaker 7: The ConA Coast is right up there with Maui because

1884
01:33:36,653 --> 01:33:40,453
Speaker 7: it's got that same sort of easy but interesting, carefree

1885
01:33:40,533 --> 01:33:41,253
Speaker 7: island tempo.

1886
01:33:41,533 --> 01:33:43,853
Speaker 2: Yeah nice, So tell us about kylu A Village.

1887
01:33:44,813 --> 01:33:47,173
Speaker 7: I'm in love with this place, Jack, kaylu A Village,

1888
01:33:47,253 --> 01:33:51,453
Speaker 7: I reckon. It's the Hawaiian version of Russell or a Corolla.

1889
01:33:51,773 --> 01:33:56,693
Speaker 7: It's just this snug, gorgeous little place wrapped around the

1890
01:33:56,733 --> 01:34:00,973
Speaker 7: harbor front. Bucket loads of character, lots of historical sites,

1891
01:34:01,133 --> 01:34:05,813
Speaker 7: charming old coral churches, a sparkling hospo strip and the

1892
01:34:05,893 --> 01:34:10,133
Speaker 7: most blos stout beach scene. That really is vacation central.

1893
01:34:10,213 --> 01:34:12,053
Speaker 7: So if you were looking to base yourself on the

1894
01:34:12,053 --> 01:34:16,333
Speaker 7: Big Island, definitely Kailua or Kailua Kona as it's referred to,

1895
01:34:16,773 --> 01:34:19,333
Speaker 7: I recoon. It's the place to stay. If you're looking

1896
01:34:19,373 --> 01:34:21,813
Speaker 7: for somewhere to eat, definitely make time to go to

1897
01:34:21,973 --> 01:34:25,613
Speaker 7: this gorgeous old opening a restaurant called ConA in it's

1898
01:34:25,653 --> 01:34:28,293
Speaker 7: been going for decades and go for the seafood a

1899
01:34:28,413 --> 01:34:32,533
Speaker 7: jumbos from cocktail and that maceadamia crusted mahi mahi will

1900
01:34:32,573 --> 01:34:33,533
Speaker 7: do very nicely.

1901
01:34:34,613 --> 01:34:37,293
Speaker 2: I think macadamia crusted anything does very nice.

1902
01:34:37,373 --> 01:34:38,613
Speaker 7: Yes, it's true.

1903
01:34:38,813 --> 01:34:40,853
Speaker 2: Are there reminders of the Hawaiian royalty.

1904
01:34:41,973 --> 01:34:45,253
Speaker 7: Yes, this is such a huge draw. So around the

1905
01:34:45,293 --> 01:34:47,293
Speaker 7: Big Island you will see a lot of these old

1906
01:34:47,413 --> 01:34:51,493
Speaker 7: stone temples. Some of them were for human sacrificial purposes

1907
01:34:52,773 --> 01:34:55,893
Speaker 7: and are called hayu in the Hawaiian dottled around the

1908
01:34:55,893 --> 01:34:58,493
Speaker 7: Big Islands. One of the best is just next to

1909
01:34:58,653 --> 01:35:00,733
Speaker 7: Kai lu A Pear, which is where the Iron Man

1910
01:35:00,773 --> 01:35:05,653
Speaker 7: wil Champs start and finish every October. But this temple

1911
01:35:06,133 --> 01:35:12,013
Speaker 7: was home to the King Kamehamaha, who was the King

1912
01:35:12,013 --> 01:35:14,893
Speaker 7: who unified the Hawaiian Islands into one royal kingdom two

1913
01:35:14,973 --> 01:35:18,173
Speaker 7: hundred years ago. So he spent his last years living

1914
01:35:18,853 --> 01:35:22,493
Speaker 7: at this temple site next to Kailu a pair. It's

1915
01:35:22,533 --> 01:35:26,133
Speaker 7: been restored. It is just the most stunning landmark. And

1916
01:35:26,253 --> 01:35:29,213
Speaker 7: then from there you can take a very short doddle

1917
01:35:29,253 --> 01:35:33,693
Speaker 7: along the harbor front to Huli Hihi Palace and this

1918
01:35:33,893 --> 01:35:37,213
Speaker 7: is a gorgeous old plantation style home, a couple of

1919
01:35:37,293 --> 01:35:40,293
Speaker 7: hundred years old, and that was the summer palace for

1920
01:35:41,013 --> 01:35:44,613
Speaker 7: Hawaiian royalty in the late nineteenth century. So it's now

1921
01:35:44,653 --> 01:35:47,093
Speaker 7: a museum and it gives you a really good flavor

1922
01:35:47,533 --> 01:35:49,133
Speaker 7: of Hawaii's royal path.

1923
01:35:49,333 --> 01:35:49,533
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1924
01:35:49,693 --> 01:35:52,813
Speaker 2: Nice, And this is the place where Captain Cook was killed, right.

1925
01:35:53,573 --> 01:35:56,453
Speaker 7: Yes, indeed, so yeah, just north of Kailua Kona, about

1926
01:35:56,493 --> 01:35:58,813
Speaker 7: half an hour up the road, go to kiir La

1927
01:35:58,933 --> 01:36:03,333
Speaker 7: Kekua Bay, which is such a dazzling spot. The snorkeling,

1928
01:36:03,453 --> 01:36:08,413
Speaker 7: my god, the bays waters, they are just brilliant, absolutely

1929
01:36:08,493 --> 01:36:13,133
Speaker 7: ablaze with coral tropical fish. Chances are you'll see spinner

1930
01:36:13,173 --> 01:36:15,933
Speaker 7: dolphins in that bay too, because they've got a berg

1931
01:36:16,093 --> 01:36:19,693
Speaker 7: population of the mayor. But yes, across on one side

1932
01:36:19,693 --> 01:36:23,373
Speaker 7: of the bay, there's this huge white stone obelisk, and

1933
01:36:23,533 --> 01:36:26,733
Speaker 7: that was the spot where Captain Cook was killed. Most

1934
01:36:26,893 --> 01:36:30,413
Speaker 7: unfortunate misunderstanding, as was always the way in those days,

1935
01:36:31,133 --> 01:36:33,973
Speaker 7: in that skirmish with the native Hawaiians. They actually thought

1936
01:36:34,013 --> 01:36:37,253
Speaker 7: when he first arrived, they thought he was the god Lonu,

1937
01:36:37,813 --> 01:36:41,253
Speaker 7: the god of peace and prosperity. But yeah, just a

1938
01:36:41,373 --> 01:36:45,893
Speaker 7: huge misunderstanding. Anyway, Alongside the Cook memorial on the other

1939
01:36:46,013 --> 01:36:48,653
Speaker 7: side of the bay another one of those stone temples,

1940
01:36:48,653 --> 01:36:51,253
Speaker 7: and this is probably one of the best. It's called

1941
01:36:51,413 --> 01:36:55,693
Speaker 7: Heiku Haiyu and you can walk all around it, all

1942
01:36:55,813 --> 01:36:58,013
Speaker 7: through it. It's absolutely enthralling.

1943
01:36:58,213 --> 01:37:01,373
Speaker 2: Yeah nice, Okay. Is Kona coffee a big earner?

1944
01:37:02,573 --> 01:37:05,653
Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, Jack. They have got six hundred and

1945
01:37:05,853 --> 01:37:10,253
Speaker 7: fifty ConA coffee farms all along the ConA coast. So

1946
01:37:10,453 --> 01:37:14,293
Speaker 7: it is a very lucrative industry, very much an organic

1947
01:37:16,093 --> 01:37:20,333
Speaker 7: sort of even artisan the industry because it's so labor intensive.

1948
01:37:20,533 --> 01:37:24,853
Speaker 7: All of the beans are still picked by hand, so

1949
01:37:25,773 --> 01:37:28,893
Speaker 7: that's why it's so expensive in terms of barrank kind

1950
01:37:28,933 --> 01:37:31,493
Speaker 7: of coffee. But the thing which I found really interesting

1951
01:37:31,733 --> 01:37:35,453
Speaker 7: is the marketing cons particularly in the US. You may

1952
01:37:35,533 --> 01:37:39,733
Speaker 7: have noticed in some cafes they'll say ConA roast or

1953
01:37:40,413 --> 01:37:44,933
Speaker 7: ConA style, and it's not ConA coffee at all. So

1954
01:37:45,493 --> 01:37:47,773
Speaker 7: you've got to look for one hundred percent con of

1955
01:37:47,813 --> 01:37:50,573
Speaker 7: coffee on the packet all the signed to know you're

1956
01:37:50,573 --> 01:37:51,373
Speaker 7: getting a real deal.

1957
01:37:51,533 --> 01:37:54,013
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Where are some of the best coffee experiences.

1958
01:37:54,893 --> 01:37:57,453
Speaker 7: Well, I would go to a little upcountry village called

1959
01:37:57,613 --> 01:38:02,973
Speaker 7: Hallua Lowa Harlua Lower, and the air in this village

1960
01:38:03,173 --> 01:38:06,773
Speaker 7: smells like an espresso bar. It is just incredible. I've

1961
01:38:06,813 --> 01:38:11,053
Speaker 7: got this huge cluster of coffee farms around Hawlua Lower,

1962
01:38:11,333 --> 01:38:14,413
Speaker 7: and many of them offer tours and tastings. I would

1963
01:38:14,773 --> 01:38:19,773
Speaker 7: go to Hula Daddy, ConA Joe and Greenwell Farms. Now Greenwell,

1964
01:38:19,853 --> 01:38:22,893
Speaker 7: those guys, oh my goodness, they have been producing ConA

1965
01:38:22,933 --> 01:38:25,853
Speaker 7: coffee since the eighteen fifties, so they know a thing

1966
01:38:25,973 --> 01:38:30,093
Speaker 7: or two about caffeine and beyond coffee Jack. Halllua Lowa

1967
01:38:30,253 --> 01:38:33,133
Speaker 7: is also very artsy. So all along the main street

1968
01:38:33,173 --> 01:38:36,053
Speaker 7: you've got these very cute, see little white galleries, and

1969
01:38:36,173 --> 01:38:40,093
Speaker 7: the farmer's market is a revelation. The avocados and Halllua

1970
01:38:40,173 --> 01:38:43,213
Speaker 7: Lower are as big as football's I could do. So

1971
01:38:44,733 --> 01:38:47,773
Speaker 7: there's a lot of good stuff growing on those and

1972
01:38:47,893 --> 01:38:48,573
Speaker 7: it slopes.

1973
01:38:48,973 --> 01:38:51,093
Speaker 2: Yeah nice. And is there going to be a price

1974
01:38:51,173 --> 01:38:52,773
Speaker 2: war for Ethis to Hawaii.

1975
01:38:53,693 --> 01:38:56,213
Speaker 7: Yes, very quickly, I thought I would mention this. Hawaiian

1976
01:38:56,253 --> 01:38:59,213
Speaker 7: Airlines has set to resume its direct services from Auckland

1977
01:38:59,253 --> 01:39:03,133
Speaker 7: and November. So if you are planning some Alouha time

1978
01:39:03,213 --> 01:39:06,693
Speaker 7: over summer, definitely keep an eye on the prices because

1979
01:39:06,733 --> 01:39:09,253
Speaker 7: in New Zealand and Hawaiian they will just go hammer

1980
01:39:09,333 --> 01:39:11,053
Speaker 7: and tongs to win you over.

1981
01:39:11,293 --> 01:39:13,613
Speaker 2: Oh so good. Hey, thank you very much, Mike. All

1982
01:39:13,693 --> 01:39:16,773
Speaker 2: of Mike's tips for touring the Kona Coast will be

1983
01:39:16,893 --> 01:39:19,533
Speaker 2: up on the news Talks HE'DB website. It has just

1984
01:39:19,613 --> 01:39:20,333
Speaker 2: gone eleven.

1985
01:39:20,133 --> 01:39:27,813
Speaker 1: Thirty Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack

1986
01:39:27,933 --> 01:39:29,813
Speaker 1: team on News Talks EDB.

1987
01:39:37,093 --> 01:39:38,093
Speaker 8: The weekend.

1988
01:39:43,493 --> 01:39:47,173
Speaker 2: News Talk. You were Jack Tame. Before midday, we'll tell

1989
01:39:47,173 --> 01:39:48,773
Speaker 2: you about their new Lee childbook.

1990
01:39:49,373 --> 01:39:49,853
Speaker 11: And then.

1991
01:39:51,333 --> 01:39:54,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean look at this, Yeah yeah, this

1992
01:39:54,173 --> 01:39:59,733
Speaker 2: is Libby a young school, my old school. He's got

1993
01:39:59,813 --> 01:40:04,453
Speaker 2: like extremely refined tastes in music, and I anytime I

1994
01:40:04,533 --> 01:40:06,293
Speaker 2: make the mistake of telling you what's on my spot

1995
01:40:06,413 --> 01:40:08,733
Speaker 2: fire playlist, I can just you know, she just Oozer's

1996
01:40:08,853 --> 01:40:10,453
Speaker 2: judgment in those moments and.

1997
01:40:10,533 --> 01:40:13,373
Speaker 9: My daughter started listening to Ramstone at the ri age

1998
01:40:13,533 --> 01:40:15,973
Speaker 9: nearly fourteen. Yeah, I know, after a.

1999
01:40:15,973 --> 01:40:17,933
Speaker 2: Couple of old system of a down records, you might be.

2000
01:40:18,533 --> 01:40:20,773
Speaker 9: You're possibly on trying to get into I'm gonna stop

2001
01:40:20,813 --> 01:40:23,173
Speaker 9: talking about this. We've got Sport coming alone.

2002
01:40:23,333 --> 01:40:28,493
Speaker 2: Hi Jack, Hi, great to see that Darcy water Grove

2003
01:40:28,533 --> 01:40:31,013
Speaker 2: is on week in Sport for us this afternoon, counting

2004
01:40:31,093 --> 01:40:33,813
Speaker 2: down to the All Blacks kickoff in Cape Town three

2005
01:40:33,893 --> 01:40:37,373
Speaker 2: o'clock New Zealand time tomorrow morning. How are you feeling

2006
01:40:37,413 --> 01:40:37,933
Speaker 2: about this one?

2007
01:40:39,213 --> 01:40:42,213
Speaker 9: Immensely positive. That's good because that's the only way you

2008
01:40:42,253 --> 01:40:43,413
Speaker 9: can go into mantions like this.

2009
01:40:44,653 --> 01:40:47,453
Speaker 2: See I was immensely positive. No, I wasn't immensely positive.

2010
01:40:47,453 --> 01:40:50,933
Speaker 2: I was a meensely I was. I was met this

2011
01:40:51,173 --> 01:40:53,893
Speaker 2: time last Saturday, and then I didn't.

2012
01:40:53,933 --> 01:40:56,733
Speaker 9: I stuck some money on it at the time we're.

2013
01:40:56,533 --> 01:40:58,813
Speaker 2: Going to wave the odds. I couldn't believe ten.

2014
01:40:58,693 --> 01:41:00,813
Speaker 9: Minutes to go, I'm like, I'm gonna make six dollars

2015
01:41:00,853 --> 01:41:01,093
Speaker 9: on this.

2016
01:41:01,213 --> 01:41:03,573
Speaker 2: I send it on at halftime and I was like,

2017
01:41:03,733 --> 01:41:06,013
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, I'm going to be eating humble pie

2018
01:41:06,053 --> 01:41:08,333
Speaker 2: and it all just melted away. So how do you

2019
01:41:08,413 --> 01:41:12,133
Speaker 2: turn around from an experience like that at Alice Park,

2020
01:41:12,173 --> 01:41:16,293
Speaker 2: which is always bruising with so many changes in Cape Town.

2021
01:41:16,413 --> 01:41:19,013
Speaker 9: Well there's a lot of changes from Russia Rasmus as well,

2022
01:41:19,133 --> 01:41:22,573
Speaker 9: seven changes on his side. We are back at sea

2023
01:41:22,693 --> 01:41:25,053
Speaker 9: level again. I think we saw Cody Taylor. Few of

2024
01:41:25,093 --> 01:41:27,773
Speaker 9: the players last week are with fifteen to go, absolutely

2025
01:41:27,933 --> 01:41:30,693
Speaker 9: gassed by playing at altitude. That didn't help. But I

2026
01:41:30,733 --> 01:41:33,613
Speaker 9: think the driving force for me here is this word

2027
01:41:33,653 --> 01:41:35,333
Speaker 9: I've been using for the last couple of weeks, and

2028
01:41:35,373 --> 01:41:38,813
Speaker 9: I know it triggers quite a few people embarrassment. Oh

2029
01:41:39,093 --> 01:41:41,293
Speaker 9: that all black side to be embarrassed by what happened?

2030
01:41:41,493 --> 01:41:44,093
Speaker 9: You reckon, Absolutely there were, but that's not all black rugby.

2031
01:41:44,413 --> 01:41:47,973
Speaker 9: This is something that's feeding in to the all black narrative.

2032
01:41:48,013 --> 01:41:49,933
Speaker 9: It has been for a number of years. It used

2033
01:41:49,973 --> 01:41:53,133
Speaker 9: to be we're behind by six with five to go,

2034
01:41:53,453 --> 01:41:56,933
Speaker 9: we're going to win. We're behind by fifteen with that,

2035
01:41:57,053 --> 01:41:59,373
Speaker 9: we're going to win. And now it's like we're behind,

2036
01:41:59,493 --> 01:42:01,293
Speaker 9: we've got a how do we hold onto this? And

2037
01:42:01,373 --> 01:42:03,533
Speaker 9: what they did last week is they played for the win.

2038
01:42:03,773 --> 01:42:06,853
Speaker 9: They tried to preserve their lead. You don't do that

2039
01:42:07,013 --> 01:42:10,613
Speaker 9: against the spring box aimless kicking, not taking points like

2040
01:42:10,773 --> 01:42:13,093
Speaker 9: you can't. So they'd go back into the shed and

2041
01:42:13,173 --> 01:42:16,133
Speaker 9: they'd be red faced and going, oh, that was really bad.

2042
01:42:16,453 --> 01:42:18,213
Speaker 9: So I think that is a huge trial.

2043
01:42:18,373 --> 01:42:20,653
Speaker 2: A lot on this game for Scott Robinson, A lot

2044
01:42:20,893 --> 01:42:24,253
Speaker 2: on this game. Three defeats for the season so far

2045
01:42:24,333 --> 01:42:25,213
Speaker 2: wouldn't be a good look.

2046
01:42:25,493 --> 01:42:26,253
Speaker 4: No, it wouldn't.

2047
01:42:26,613 --> 01:42:28,973
Speaker 2: But this is a great Springbok team. Don't get me wrong.

2048
01:42:29,013 --> 01:42:29,733
Speaker 20: There what it is.

2049
01:42:29,893 --> 01:42:31,453
Speaker 9: But I think we look forward to what the most

2050
01:42:31,493 --> 01:42:33,533
Speaker 9: important thing is here. How many times do you remember

2051
01:42:33,573 --> 01:42:35,813
Speaker 9: when the All Blacks were the most dominant team in

2052
01:42:35,933 --> 01:42:38,173
Speaker 9: the cycle between World Cups and then fell apart of

2053
01:42:38,253 --> 01:42:40,493
Speaker 9: the World Cup. So if it's going to take him

2054
01:42:40,493 --> 01:42:43,453
Speaker 9: a while to get his elbows out and build into

2055
01:42:43,493 --> 01:42:47,773
Speaker 9: it and start introducing new players, I'm not overly concerned

2056
01:42:47,813 --> 01:42:49,773
Speaker 9: around that. I suppose the joy about this is I

2057
01:42:49,893 --> 01:42:53,013
Speaker 9: can't be concerned because I don't worry about things. I

2058
01:42:53,053 --> 01:42:55,253
Speaker 9: have no control over it. What a waste of energy.

2059
01:42:55,733 --> 01:42:57,453
Speaker 9: I sit there and I enjoy it, and that if

2060
01:42:57,453 --> 01:42:59,573
Speaker 9: they lose, I'll have a great week's talk the next week.

2061
01:42:59,973 --> 01:43:00,173
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2062
01:43:02,493 --> 01:43:04,813
Speaker 9: But Mark Robinson joins us on the show up after twelve,

2063
01:43:04,813 --> 01:43:07,013
Speaker 9: the CEO of NZ are I will talk to him.

2064
01:43:07,053 --> 01:43:09,773
Speaker 9: We're not really going to go gain predictions because that's

2065
01:43:09,813 --> 01:43:12,333
Speaker 9: not what the suits do. The big story this week,

2066
01:43:12,653 --> 01:43:16,613
Speaker 9: plainly is the possible return of tours. The South African's

2067
01:43:16,653 --> 01:43:18,693
Speaker 9: coming over here, us going over there.

2068
01:43:19,053 --> 01:43:19,213
Speaker 3: Now.

2069
01:43:19,413 --> 01:43:21,973
Speaker 9: For the older folk like myself out there, this is

2070
01:43:22,453 --> 01:43:23,093
Speaker 9: hero stuff.

2071
01:43:23,573 --> 01:43:24,613
Speaker 4: This is what you live for.

2072
01:43:25,173 --> 01:43:29,053
Speaker 9: That the idea of a Springbok team coming here and

2073
01:43:29,293 --> 01:43:32,253
Speaker 9: touring up the Mottu and playing some of the smaller

2074
01:43:32,333 --> 01:43:35,013
Speaker 9: teams and you get to know the players, you get

2075
01:43:35,053 --> 01:43:38,013
Speaker 9: a feeling for what's going on. It's a buyer. It's

2076
01:43:38,173 --> 01:43:41,173
Speaker 9: test cricket as opposed to T twenties. So this will

2077
01:43:41,173 --> 01:43:42,573
Speaker 9: be huge. So we'll find out how close they are

2078
01:43:42,573 --> 01:43:44,973
Speaker 9: because I think what happened last week is the South

2079
01:43:45,013 --> 01:43:47,773
Speaker 9: African's got a bit excited, so it's going ahead. I'm

2080
01:43:47,853 --> 01:43:49,973
Speaker 9: not quite sure if it's going ahead, so we'll find

2081
01:43:50,013 --> 01:43:52,653
Speaker 9: out more about that with Mark Robinson and I'm joined

2082
01:43:52,653 --> 01:43:57,573
Speaker 9: by Verna swineple X scrum half from back in the day,

2083
01:43:57,653 --> 01:43:59,373
Speaker 9: kind of my era. More's the point is to watch

2084
01:43:59,413 --> 01:44:05,093
Speaker 9: and when we're similar ages. Nickname Smiley, great guy, really

2085
01:44:05,213 --> 01:44:07,653
Speaker 9: really fun, so we'll have out with him. We've got

2086
01:44:07,813 --> 01:44:09,173
Speaker 9: David Nika joined.

2087
01:44:09,013 --> 01:44:09,533
Speaker 12: Us as well.

2088
01:44:09,733 --> 01:44:10,813
Speaker 2: Has he got an opponent yet?

2089
01:44:11,133 --> 01:44:14,973
Speaker 9: Yeah, they sort of it out within about twenty four hours.

2090
01:44:15,813 --> 01:44:18,573
Speaker 9: Southpaw has rolled in. So for this guy, I mean,

2091
01:44:18,813 --> 01:44:19,173
Speaker 9: I think.

2092
01:44:19,053 --> 01:44:21,173
Speaker 2: I'd like to be rolled in for a fight against

2093
01:44:21,213 --> 01:44:24,213
Speaker 2: David Nieker. No, no, no, pretty much.

2094
01:44:24,973 --> 01:44:27,533
Speaker 9: And this guy is a journeyman. He's a gatekeeper. He's

2095
01:44:27,573 --> 01:44:30,653
Speaker 9: been around, but you'd think he wouldn't offer too much.

2096
01:44:30,733 --> 01:44:34,213
Speaker 9: But this journey that Nika's been on has been phenomenal.

2097
01:44:34,213 --> 01:44:35,813
Speaker 9: I mean, following her up and starts because like I'm

2098
01:44:35,813 --> 01:44:37,973
Speaker 9: a fanboy, I pissed boxes. I can't help myself. But

2099
01:44:38,333 --> 01:44:40,493
Speaker 9: it's so good to watch the way he's matured and

2100
01:44:40,533 --> 01:44:43,013
Speaker 9: the way he's developed. He saw him the other day,

2101
01:44:43,533 --> 01:44:46,413
Speaker 9: he rocked on in. He's a big human. He reckons

2102
01:44:46,413 --> 01:44:48,653
Speaker 9: you're gonna end up being a heavyweight and that doesn't surprise.

2103
01:44:48,693 --> 01:44:50,413
Speaker 9: And we're going to cover off the ran Philly Shield

2104
01:44:50,453 --> 01:44:52,653
Speaker 9: as well. Plenty of time for talk so all the

2105
01:44:52,693 --> 01:44:55,213
Speaker 9: fun of the circus. So the next three hours.

2106
01:44:55,013 --> 01:44:56,893
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. Thank you, Sir Darcy Water

2107
01:44:56,973 --> 01:44:58,693
Speaker 2: gave for the weekend Sport. He'll be right behind the

2108
01:44:58,733 --> 01:45:00,933
Speaker 2: mic after the midday news and of course news Talks

2109
01:45:00,973 --> 01:45:03,093
Speaker 2: are B will have life coverage of the All Backs

2110
01:45:03,093 --> 01:45:07,453
Speaker 2: spring Box from three hours tomorrow Morning ALM from Cape Town.

2111
01:45:09,693 --> 01:45:12,333
Speaker 4: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

2112
01:45:12,533 --> 01:45:15,693
Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack tam and bepureed dot co dot

2113
01:45:15,813 --> 01:45:18,293
Speaker 1: nz for high quality supplements used.

2114
01:45:18,133 --> 01:45:21,373
Speaker 2: Talks MB nineteen to twelve on news Talk ZEDB. Two

2115
01:45:21,533 --> 01:45:24,693
Speaker 2: new books have taken the attention of our book reviewer

2116
01:45:24,773 --> 01:45:27,453
Speaker 2: Katherine Rains this week she's with us. Now, Hey, Katherine,

2117
01:45:27,853 --> 01:45:30,173
Speaker 2: Morning Jack. Let's start with Death at the Sign of

2118
01:45:30,213 --> 01:45:32,013
Speaker 2: the Rook by Kate Atkinson.

2119
01:45:32,533 --> 01:45:34,893
Speaker 15: So this is one of those cozy mystery series and

2120
01:45:35,013 --> 01:45:38,133
Speaker 15: this book has a cast of weird and wonderful characters

2121
01:45:38,213 --> 01:45:40,413
Speaker 15: along with a crime or two. And this is the

2122
01:45:40,493 --> 01:45:43,973
Speaker 15: sixth book in her Jackson Brodie series. And then this one,

2123
01:45:44,093 --> 01:45:47,573
Speaker 15: Dorothy Paget dies and Jackson is asked by her twins

2124
01:45:47,653 --> 01:45:49,773
Speaker 15: Hazel and I to look for a painting that's missing

2125
01:45:49,813 --> 01:45:52,133
Speaker 15: from her bedroom and it happens to be a Renaissance

2126
01:45:52,213 --> 01:45:54,253
Speaker 15: air portrait and they claim that they don't know what

2127
01:45:54,333 --> 01:45:56,693
Speaker 15: it's worth and they just want it back for sentimental reasons.

2128
01:45:57,453 --> 01:46:00,573
Speaker 15: And they have surmised that Dorothy's Kira, a woman called

2129
01:46:00,613 --> 01:46:02,653
Speaker 15: Melanie Hope took it when she left, but they don't

2130
01:46:02,693 --> 01:46:05,493
Speaker 15: want to involve the police. And Jackson's has you know,

2131
01:46:05,573 --> 01:46:07,573
Speaker 15: that tingling at the of a spine where there's something

2132
01:46:07,653 --> 01:46:10,733
Speaker 15: decidedly shifty about the pair of these, but he checks

2133
01:46:10,733 --> 01:46:13,053
Speaker 15: into it anyway, and he discovers that Melanie's phone is

2134
01:46:13,053 --> 01:46:15,173
Speaker 15: a burner, and he checks out her address, which happens

2135
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Speaker 15: to be fake, and the painting's prominence is a bit

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Speaker 15: dodgy as well, and then he does a little research

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Speaker 15: into art theft and he finds some interesting cases and

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01:46:24,933 --> 01:46:27,053
Speaker 15: some other thefts, and one film was from a place

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Speaker 15: called Burton Makepeace House, which was the home of Mark

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Speaker 15: West and March s Milton and the DC a guy

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Speaker 15: called Reggie Chase had investigated this without success. So Jackson

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Speaker 15: goes and it has a chat to him and is

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Speaker 15: there a connection between the two thefts? And the plot

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01:46:41,253 --> 01:46:43,213
Speaker 15: has a bit of a feel of an Agatha Christie

2145
01:46:43,333 --> 01:46:47,413
Speaker 15: about a stately home. There's aristocrats, there's missing but works.

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Speaker 15: There's a vicar who's lost the power of speech, a

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01:46:49,773 --> 01:46:52,173
Speaker 15: group of actors who are putting on this murder mystery weekend,

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01:46:52,453 --> 01:46:54,613
Speaker 15: and of course there's a snowstorm and thus snowed in

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01:46:54,773 --> 01:46:57,653
Speaker 15: so yet that closed and feeling about the book. There's

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Speaker 15: some serious themes that she tackles as well, about grief

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01:47:00,253 --> 01:47:03,213
Speaker 15: and loss and post traumatic stress disorder. But there's lots

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01:47:03,213 --> 01:47:07,373
Speaker 15: of humor too, and great dialogue and British characters with

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01:47:07,413 --> 01:47:11,173
Speaker 15: their very dry black humor. And her strength is really

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01:47:11,253 --> 01:47:14,053
Speaker 15: and the characters and the monologues. And so you get

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01:47:14,093 --> 01:47:16,733
Speaker 15: this clever book with different characters and storylines that all

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01:47:16,773 --> 01:47:19,013
Speaker 15: link together, and it's fast faced and fun and you know,

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01:47:19,173 --> 01:47:20,573
Speaker 15: like that golden age of crime writer.

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Speaker 4: And I really enjoyed it very good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's Death at the Sign of the Rook by

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Speaker 2: Kate Atkinson. Go on then tell us about Lee Child's

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Speaker 2: latest safe Enough.

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Speaker 15: So this is actually a collection of twenty short stories,

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Speaker 15: and you move away from a Lee Child's very well

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Speaker 15: known character of Jack Creature and focus on a number

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Speaker 15: of individual situations, so you get lots of themes and

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Speaker 15: time periods and perspectives and course Lee Child has a

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01:47:43,773 --> 01:47:46,813
Speaker 15: very good gift for story telling, and so he spins

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Speaker 15: stories about FBI agents and failed bodyguards and the oddrug

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Speaker 15: dealer or two, and everybody making their way in the

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Speaker 15: world and trying to give their life a sense of purpose,

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Speaker 15: and so there's really something for everyone, like about that

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Speaker 15: investigating and perpetrating crime and in which side they fall on,

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01:48:02,133 --> 01:48:04,933
Speaker 15: and those time periods and its stories like the Bodyguard,

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Speaker 15: which is a political kidnapping, and Safe Enough, which is

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01:48:07,973 --> 01:48:10,853
Speaker 15: an electrician who becomes involved in a missing person's case,

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01:48:11,533 --> 01:48:14,213
Speaker 15: and normal in every way. A young police file clerk

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Speaker 15: acts like this database putting pieces of the crime together,

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Speaker 15: and managers set in the fifties, so before computers could do,

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Speaker 15: before you could google everything, and so, and then you

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01:48:24,093 --> 01:48:26,653
Speaker 15: get some without that sort of thriller and well known

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01:48:26,733 --> 01:48:29,813
Speaker 15: sort of violent side that Check Creacher has. And there's

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Speaker 15: a couple with a writer as a protagonist, which is interesting,

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Speaker 15: and one of them is called Dying for a Cigarette.

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Speaker 15: And with all of these there's a twist in each story,

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Speaker 15: and you can often be surprised by what the twist

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Speaker 15: turns out to be and what the payoff is. But

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Speaker 15: one of the really interesting parts of this book is

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Speaker 15: right in the beginning. In the prologue, Lee Child talks

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Speaker 15: about his writing career and how this collection came about

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01:48:49,813 --> 01:48:53,133
Speaker 15: and some interesting antidotes, you know, and why he's written

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01:48:53,173 --> 01:48:55,373
Speaker 15: these stories. Over the years and you know he really

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01:48:55,453 --> 01:48:57,013
Speaker 15: is a well crafted short story writer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh fantastic. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to that.

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Speaker 2: It's something a bit different from Lee Child too, which

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Speaker 2: sounds really exciting, So thank you Catherine. That's Safe Enough

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Speaker 2: by Lee Child. That first book was Death at the

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Speaker 2: Sign of the Rook by Kate Atkinson. Of course, all

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Speaker 1: Most, giving you the inside scoop on All you Need

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Speaker 4: It'd be need too pretend.

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Speaker 12: I've never seen an ugly truth that I can fend.

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Speaker 11: It's something that looks better a stupid bottom cover.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can make a show a goal like forever

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Speaker 4: Never You.

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Speaker 12: Light too, if they like you, they just.

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01:50:48,893 --> 01:50:52,893
Speaker 2: Is Sabrina Carpenter that songs called lie to Girls. It's

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01:50:52,893 --> 01:50:55,973
Speaker 2: from her new album Short and Sweet. Stale Cluff has

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01:50:55,973 --> 01:50:58,613
Speaker 2: been listening Hey Stelle morning.

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Speaker 12: So this is an entire album of pretty sweet melodies

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01:51:04,333 --> 01:51:09,533
Speaker 12: and some really cool ice pop stuff, but then really

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01:51:10,133 --> 01:51:13,253
Speaker 12: sharp tongue lyrics as you kind of get in there

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01:51:13,293 --> 01:51:15,013
Speaker 12: as well, where it's a little bit like it sounds

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01:51:15,093 --> 01:51:18,453
Speaker 12: really beautiful and like a nice ballad, and then you

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01:51:18,493 --> 01:51:19,893
Speaker 12: know she's kind of pretty much saying we all just

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01:51:19,973 --> 01:51:23,373
Speaker 12: lie to ourselves about our relationships. It's like, whoa, it's

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01:51:23,453 --> 01:51:26,733
Speaker 12: quite rough. I was kind of expecting her to be

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01:51:26,893 --> 01:51:30,293
Speaker 12: quite Disney PRINCESSI like, I haven't listened to too much

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01:51:30,333 --> 01:51:33,013
Speaker 12: of Sabrina's back catalog, so I had a bit of

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01:51:33,013 --> 01:51:34,733
Speaker 12: an interpretation of what I thought she was going to

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01:51:34,773 --> 01:51:38,493
Speaker 12: be because she had been on Girl Meets World, yes,

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Speaker 12: with the Disney channels, so I think I'd sort of

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01:51:40,373 --> 01:51:43,053
Speaker 12: pitched her somewhere. And then I like, hear this album

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01:51:43,133 --> 01:51:46,693
Speaker 12: and I'm like, oh, wow, she's got way more Sassin attitude.

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01:51:47,693 --> 01:51:49,853
Speaker 12: But maybe that is the new Disney Princess. Maybe that's

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01:51:49,893 --> 01:51:53,573
Speaker 12: the gen gen Zeta's version of what the Disney Princess

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01:51:53,813 --> 01:51:55,773
Speaker 12: is right, like a bit of a sharp tongue, and

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01:51:55,773 --> 01:51:57,573
Speaker 12: I'm going to say it how it is. So this

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01:51:57,733 --> 01:52:00,613
Speaker 12: is her sixth album. It has debuted atop the Billboard

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01:52:00,653 --> 01:52:04,013
Speaker 12: two hundred, which is huge for her, and a couple

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01:52:04,053 --> 01:52:07,213
Speaker 12: of the songs off this album have given her Please

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Speaker 12: Please Please go to her number first number one on

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01:52:09,093 --> 01:52:12,053
Speaker 12: the Billboard Hot one hundred. I think it says a

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01:52:12,133 --> 01:52:14,133
Speaker 12: lot for the fact that what you forget is there

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01:52:14,133 --> 01:52:17,373
Speaker 12: were quite a few albums before this one, so no

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01:52:17,493 --> 01:52:19,533
Speaker 12: one ever really has that overnight success, right, It's like

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01:52:19,573 --> 01:52:21,813
Speaker 12: constant work. But this is the album that I think

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01:52:21,893 --> 01:52:25,333
Speaker 12: has really gelled for a lot of people. And I

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01:52:25,373 --> 01:52:28,933
Speaker 12: think it is because there are some really catchy, awesome melodies.

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01:52:29,653 --> 01:52:30,613
Speaker 8: There's some really.

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01:52:30,533 --> 01:52:34,773
Speaker 12: Cool guitar lead songs where it's like clap along sing along.

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01:52:35,693 --> 01:52:38,253
Speaker 12: You could almost imagine an acoustic version around the campfire

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01:52:38,253 --> 01:52:40,693
Speaker 12: and everyone's just letting out, you know, their feels around

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01:52:40,773 --> 01:52:42,413
Speaker 12: the camp which I think will be great for her

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01:52:42,493 --> 01:52:47,453
Speaker 12: live shows. Probably no surprise that Jack Antonoff has produced

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01:52:47,773 --> 01:52:49,573
Speaker 12: and helped write some of the songs that are on

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01:52:49,653 --> 01:52:52,173
Speaker 12: this album, and I think again, what that's done by

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01:52:52,213 --> 01:52:55,253
Speaker 12: her sixth album, it's really honed who she is as

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01:52:55,293 --> 01:52:57,333
Speaker 12: a songwriter and then how to put that into production.

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01:52:57,773 --> 01:53:00,893
Speaker 12: So it's quite clean production, everything we probably expect from

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01:53:00,933 --> 01:53:03,693
Speaker 12: a pop album. And when you've got some powerhouses behind

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01:53:03,773 --> 01:53:06,893
Speaker 12: you producing it, then you know you sort of getting

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01:53:06,933 --> 01:53:09,013
Speaker 12: into the jrictory of Taylor Swift and people like that.

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Speaker 3: Aren't you.

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Speaker 12: So yeah yeah, and when you're topping all the charts

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01:53:12,053 --> 01:53:14,253
Speaker 12: and things as well. I dare say that some of

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01:53:14,293 --> 01:53:16,893
Speaker 12: her lyrics when it is about that whole how we

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01:53:17,013 --> 01:53:20,373
Speaker 12: treat ourselves and others in relationships probably is a bit

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01:53:20,373 --> 01:53:22,213
Speaker 12: of a gens Z like the gen Zetas. I'm hanging

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01:53:22,213 --> 01:53:24,253
Speaker 12: out at the moment and within a show, are really

2279
01:53:24,293 --> 01:53:26,733
Speaker 12: in there with her? Yeah, but I think we can

2280
01:53:26,773 --> 01:53:29,493
Speaker 12: all relate to that with some of the perhaps misguided

2281
01:53:29,493 --> 01:53:33,373
Speaker 12: relationships we've had, so plenty in there for other people to,

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01:53:34,213 --> 01:53:35,653
Speaker 12: you know, to relate to. And if you're needing to

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01:53:35,733 --> 01:53:38,413
Speaker 12: let out some of your bad relationship doju, then I

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01:53:38,493 --> 01:53:40,053
Speaker 12: reckon this is probably a good album to do that.

2285
01:53:41,653 --> 01:53:43,893
Speaker 12: And high energy tem post stuff as well. You know,

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01:53:44,413 --> 01:53:46,813
Speaker 12: when you put that eighties disco vibe into a lot

2287
01:53:46,853 --> 01:53:50,053
Speaker 12: of the songs, then I think you're already it's already

2288
01:53:50,133 --> 01:53:52,213
Speaker 12: sounding so fun that you can't help but go along

2289
01:53:52,253 --> 01:53:55,413
Speaker 12: with it, right until she drops a few swears and

2290
01:53:55,453 --> 01:53:58,293
Speaker 12: you're like, holy, didn't expect that, but okay, And she's

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01:53:58,293 --> 01:54:01,373
Speaker 12: done some clean versions too, so don't worry parents when

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01:54:01,413 --> 01:54:03,733
Speaker 12: you're a kid start singing the songs back to you.

2293
01:54:04,733 --> 01:54:06,253
Speaker 12: They may or may not have heard the clean versions.

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01:54:06,373 --> 01:54:11,093
Speaker 12: I'm not really sure, but I'm enjoying it. I like

2295
01:54:11,213 --> 01:54:15,013
Speaker 12: her voice, and I like the twist on pop when

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01:54:15,053 --> 01:54:17,293
Speaker 12: it sort of comes in from other genres at the

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01:54:17,333 --> 01:54:19,933
Speaker 12: same time, but also just adding that little bit of

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01:54:20,173 --> 01:54:22,333
Speaker 12: editude when it comes to her lyric writing. Say it

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Speaker 12: how you mean it?

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Speaker 20: Right?

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01:54:23,293 --> 01:54:23,493
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Totally nice?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, So what do you give it? I'm giving

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01:54:26,613 --> 01:54:29,573
Speaker 12: it a I'm going to give it a seven and

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Speaker 12: a half out of ten. I feel like I've been

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01:54:32,613 --> 01:54:34,773
Speaker 12: too generous with my numbers and now I'm like trying

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01:54:34,773 --> 01:54:37,013
Speaker 12: to like you back or something.

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01:54:37,253 --> 01:54:38,813
Speaker 2: No, I think I don't think you've been too generous,

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01:54:38,853 --> 01:54:39,893
Speaker 2: have you? I don't think so?

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01:54:40,413 --> 01:54:40,613
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:54:40,693 --> 01:54:43,333
Speaker 12: Constantly sitting around this sort of seven't we?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, Yeah, it's a good listen. Have a listen

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01:54:47,013 --> 01:54:49,453
Speaker 12: to let out some of your like I said, bad

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01:54:49,453 --> 01:54:51,613
Speaker 12: relationship Juji, and you'll enjoy it with her, I think.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of your absolute most positive reviews of all time

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Speaker 2: next week on the show, just so you know, we've

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Speaker 2: got Troy Kingy coming on so very much looking forward

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Speaker 2: to that.

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Speaker 12: Mostto you have foe. Yeah, they's in a great yard.

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Speaker 2: All right, Selle. That is a stale cliff at our

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Speaker 2: music reviewer. Short and Sweet is the new album by

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Speaker 2: Sabrina Carpenter, set and a half out of ten as

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Speaker 2: stale reckons it's worth. We'll have it listened to one

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Speaker 2: of the songs from that album in a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what for. All of the tips that

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Speaker 2: tamarillos on toast. Lots of tamorillos with a sweet offset.

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Speaker 2: I haven't come across one that has a tamorillo with

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Speaker 2: salt on toast. So look, I'm open minded, but there

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Speaker 2: might be a way to try things. I think I'm

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Speaker 2: about to start with like a little bit of toast,

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Speaker 2: like a half a slice of toast, if I'm going

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Speaker 2: to have salted temorialers, because if it's not very young,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to waste a tamoralo with about fifteen dollars. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: thank you for all of your feedback this morning, very much.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. For all your text and emails for everything

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Speaker 2: weekend sport, counting down to the All Blacks spring Box

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Speaker 2: clash at Cape Town three o'clock tomorrow morning. Of course,

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Speaker 2: changes big changes to both teams. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 2: seeing what Will Jordan does at Fallback and actually I

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Speaker 2: reckon sometimes Bowden Barrett's absolute genius has brought out best

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Speaker 2: when he comes in off the bench, when he gets

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Speaker 2: a bit of time to observe the game before coming in.

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Speaker 2: So it'll be very intriguing to see how that unfolds

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Speaker 2: at Cape Town. Don't forget, of course, Elliott Smith will

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