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Speaker 1: So the committee looking into whether we should van social

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Speaker 1: media for under sixteens has produced its final report. Now

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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of recommendations, some of which are just

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Speaker 1: playing weird, not to mention the fact that there's also

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Speaker 1: fallout between members over whether they did their job properly

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Speaker 1: or not. Now col Bates is one of the National

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Speaker 1: members on that particular committee, as well as Carlen Morning,

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Speaker 1: Monnie Marke Curry, you very well, Thank you. Did you

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Speaker 1: enjoy the experience.

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Speaker 2: It was a really good process that we went through.

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Speaker 2: That was originally planned to conclude at the end of

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Speaker 2: last year, but we took more time in order to

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Speaker 2: ensure that we did the job properly, and so I

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Speaker 2: enjoyed the process. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, So you did the job properly, but ACT say

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Speaker 1: you didn't do the job properly, and the Green say

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Speaker 1: you didn't do the job properly either. So that's not

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Speaker 1: a lot of harmony, is there.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Greens, I don't think staves and we didn't

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Speaker 2: do the job properly byre saying that they don't agree

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Speaker 2: with all of the recommendations ACT and National, So National

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Speaker 2: and Labor rather are on board with the recommendations and

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Speaker 2: think that it's a balanced approach for us to take forward.

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Speaker 1: Is this typical of what happens in a select committee

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Speaker 1: because some of the recommendations you make are from outer space,

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Speaker 1: they're not real, they're just theoretical whiteboarding.

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Speaker 2: So there's a range of recommendations, a number of which

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Speaker 2: reflect what's happening internationally, A number of what you are

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Speaker 2: about the government exploring options further, and some of what

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Speaker 2: are about immediate actions that can be taken now regular

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Speaker 2: that's appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Regulate algorithmic recommendation systems. Do you honestly think New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Inc's capable of doing that where no one else in

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Speaker 1: the world is.

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Speaker 2: So there are some examples of where there's algorithmic experience.

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Speaker 2: You've been considered, particularly around research and allowing research. You'll

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Speaker 2: note that from a committee perspective, we said the government

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Speaker 2: should explore this, not saying let's just go and say

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Speaker 2: this should happen right now because of some of the

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Speaker 2: I suppose concerns you're raising yourself, mate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is it possible? How much of this, in your

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Speaker 1: heart of hearts? How much of this is about being

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Speaker 1: seen to be doing something even though you know technically

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Speaker 1: it's not possible. Hence the Australian experience.

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Speaker 2: There's a number of these things that heart of hearts

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Speaker 2: absolutely I want to see happen to ensure my kets,

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Speaker 2: to protect from the sort of harm that occurres take

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Speaker 2: for example, preventing online advertising for alcohol, tobacco and gambling

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Speaker 2: for under eighteen year olds. Why wouldn't we want to

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Speaker 2: say that if a platform is aware the child is

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Speaker 2: under the age of eighteen, that they don't have that

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Speaker 2: sort of advertising put in front of them at every opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Now, so is this going anywhere?

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Speaker 2: I think there's now the opportunity for Minister Stanford to

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Speaker 2: take the recommendations into the consideration of the work that

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Speaker 2: she's doing as the lead minister for the government and

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Speaker 2: respond on what actions we as New Zealand can take

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Speaker 2: to further this work. Look, this is a changing space,

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Speaker 2: it's rapidly moving. Part of the recommendation around the regulator

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Speaker 2: is enabling them to go respond quickly, did these things

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Speaker 2: and look at what's happening. Use that phrase fast follower,

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Speaker 2: not try and just do everything and be a leader

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Speaker 2: and things that aren't going to work, but actually respond

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Speaker 2: where we know that there's an opportunity to do something,

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Speaker 2: do it properly and enter our children are protected from

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Speaker 2: online harm that is occurring.

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Carl Bates, who's the national

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Speaker 1: member of that committee or a national member of that committee.

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Speaker 1: But been I mean strength and liability for online harm.

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Speaker 1: Establish an independent national regulator. Well, that's going to work,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. Regulate healthgorithmic recommendation systems, mandate algorithm transparency, promote

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Speaker 1: New Zealand based research. Sure, consider further matters. I like

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Speaker 1: to consider further matters.

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Speaker 2: One.

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