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Speaker 1: So it appears to be working. When you crack down

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Speaker 1: on crime, you get results. For the first time since

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, violent crime has dropped. Police start to shows

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Speaker 1: a two percent drop last year. Also, there were twenty

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Speaker 1: four thousand fewer people in need of help in the

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Speaker 1: latest Crime and Victims survey. Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith with

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Speaker 1: us good morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: I was watching the press conference with you and the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Mark Mitchell and the Police Commissioner the

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Speaker 1: other day. The Police Commissioner seems to be reveling in

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Speaker 1: these new rules you've given them, and the stats on

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Speaker 1: violent crime seem to show that it's working.

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Speaker 2: Well. Yes, it's all about giving the police extra tools

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Speaker 2: to deal with gangs. If you're our standing point is

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Speaker 2: that you want to reduce the number of victims of

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Speaker 2: serious vinal crime. Obvious place to start, as the ones

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Speaker 2: who are causing most of the making small group of

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders. The gangs are creating a significant proportion of

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Speaker 2: the serious violent crime, and so we've bring them the

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Speaker 2: extra tools that they need to make life very difficult

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Speaker 2: for them. And it's working well. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He also seemed to suggest that he wanted more rules,

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Speaker 1: more freedom. Is he getting them or going to get them?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean we're always We've got a lot

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Speaker 2: of legis of the work that we're working our way

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Speaker 2: we've got real consequences for crime. The three strikes laws

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Speaker 2: a part of that. And yes, we're always looking at

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Speaker 2: different ways in which we can help with the with

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Speaker 2: the effort to connect people with responsibility. Ultimately, what people

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Speaker 2: want to see is they might be safe in their

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Speaker 2: communities and they want to see people help to account

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Speaker 2: when they're breaking the law.

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Speaker 1: And of course, the other thing that came out of

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Speaker 1: that press conference the other day is he was suggesting,

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Speaker 1: Chambers was suggesting that people and the feedback he's getting,

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Speaker 1: are you getting it as well? People feel safer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I mean obviously we were all conscious that

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Speaker 2: there's a long way to go. Things got badly out

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Speaker 2: of control. But you know, I mean I was down

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Speaker 2: in Napier a couple of weeks ago when people were saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, it was actually quite striking and not seeing

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Speaker 2: the gang patches everywhere you go down to the local barbecue.

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Speaker 2: In the past, the place would be overrun with gang

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Speaker 2: patches everybody would leave. That wasn't happening this summer, and

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Speaker 2: so we want to keep that going. It's been a

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Speaker 2: great effort so far, but there's a lot more to do.

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Speaker 1: And then on retail crime, I note some criticism this

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Speaker 1: morning from Ginny Anderson on this group that you set

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Speaker 1: up a while ago, and Sunnykoscher's earning a lot of

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Speaker 1: money and there's not a single recommendation. Does that change today?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, they're working very hard that group, and they're

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Speaker 2: given us some recommendations in that retail crime space, which

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Speaker 2: will be announced. Lady, I see the Herald's got a

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Speaker 2: bit of a sniff of that, and it's fundamentally around

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Speaker 2: looking at those issues of how do particularly retailers deal

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Speaker 2: with people just walking out with stuff and not paying.

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Speaker 2: And I think everybody's been conscious that is happening more

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Speaker 2: and more, and we've got to have a bitter response.

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Speaker 1: Look the moment, So if I see somebody walking out

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Speaker 1: with something, can I arrest them now? Or will I

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Speaker 1: be able to arrest them?

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll give you the details coming up. But look,

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Speaker 2: I mean that there's an obvious tension between we don't

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Speaker 2: want to create the Wild West and vigilanteism and chaos.

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Speaker 2: But at the other end of the spectrum, the situation

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Speaker 2: getting in the car and driving off and nothing happening.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't work because people are getting the idea

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Speaker 2: that you don't actually have to pay for stuff, and

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Speaker 2: the reality is that everybody else has to pay for

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Speaker 2: your stolen stuff. And it's undermining our sense of the

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Speaker 2: rule of law. So we've got to come up with

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Speaker 2: a better solution, and we're going to come up with

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Speaker 2: some proposals today.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. The security guards need the power. Are they going

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Speaker 1: to get the power?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what we'll be announcing mator today. But yes,

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Speaker 2: we're going to make it clearer and a bit easier

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Speaker 2: for people to look after their property and to restore

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Speaker 2: a bit of law and order to our communities in

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Speaker 2: our retail sector.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate time. Justice was the Paul Goldsmith Mike, the reduction

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Speaker 1: of violent crime sounds like runs on the board for

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Speaker 1: the government. I tend to agree with that.

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