1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: So the illnesses are both to the Prime Minister's back 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: and Monday becomes Thursday. That's out, works chrystper luxemers. Well, 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: it's very good morning to you. 4 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 2: Good to see him. Like, I know you're a gema 5 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: fiber and I would have been here with the has 6 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: mat on Monday and you wouldn't have liked it. So 7 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: I'm here on Thursdays. 8 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you're back and feeling better. So just 9 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: before the news we gave out the Auckland Chamber of 10 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Commerce energy. There are energy concerns, first of all from business. 11 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: They're afraid to speak out. They believe they're being ripped 12 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: off by the gen tailors. They're afraid to speak out 13 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: in case when they go for contracts next time they're 14 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: going to be punished for that. Here's the more important part. 15 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Fifty two percent of businesses say they've increased their prices 16 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: as a direct result of rising energy costs. 17 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I mean there's a number of things on energy. 18 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 2: I mean our immediate fixation is, you know, we've had 19 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: the oil and gas dam, which has meant that we're 20 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: now pushing more cold than we are gas, which is 21 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: not good. We've now done as several things in the 22 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: short term to make sure we don't have a repeat 23 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: of what we saw last year, which was, yeah, we 24 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: had some of the highest wholesale electricity prices in the 25 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: world at one point, and that led to people like 26 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: mills and high energy places doing it pretty tough. This year, 27 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: We've got a strategic coal reserve which we're building, which 28 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: is not what you want to have, but you need 29 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: to have it so you can keep the lights on, 30 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: keep the prices down. We've got clear processes around how 31 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: we get into the contingent lake storage if we need to, 32 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: and we'll continue to explore how we might do importation 33 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: of LERG directly into the system. So you know, I 34 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: just encourage suddenly the Organization Association to actually talk to 35 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 2: Simon Watt's about all those issues, because we are very 36 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: open to hearing about that. We're very open to seeing 37 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: what more we need to do. We can't have energy 38 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: be the constraint on the economy and economic growth. 39 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: But this is part of the stubtails into what was 40 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: happening yesterday with the Reserve Bank and inflation. There are 41 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: still people passing on costs. We had the head of 42 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: the Ports of Auckland yesterday. I can't remember the number, 43 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: but it's a huge number, seventy percent or something like that. 44 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: They're increasing forward trucks to get into the port. He 45 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: argues two things. One, they want to try and jurymander 46 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: the traffic so there's not as much traffic in Auckland. 47 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: Come to a different slot. The other thing he wants 48 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: to do is hand back more money to the council 49 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: because the council owns the port. He's charging people more 50 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: money simply because he can, and energy arging people more 51 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: money simply because they can. 52 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: Well, that has that mentality when you get inflation down 53 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: at two point two or two point five percent under 54 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: the three percent, that that we're expecting prices to stabilize 55 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: across the system. But we've seeing that in the macro. 56 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: We're seeing that in the macro inflation numbers, right are you? 57 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 2: Well you are because they're down at two point five 58 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: not seven. 59 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: Well, they're trending up towards two point seven, towards the 60 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: top end of the band. That's the problem. My great 61 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: concern is that we're not getting the growth to drive 62 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: and if we had inflation from growth, fantastic. We're getting 63 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: inflation from people charging people more because they can. 64 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: No. I think, no, we are seeing real growth in 65 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: the economy. You look at what's happened with you know 66 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: what you're seeing in dairy You look at red meat 67 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: another one point four billion, two billion dollars this coming year. 68 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: Look at horticulture grew twelve percent in the last twelve months, 69 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: up to eight billion dollars. Tourism growing at twenty three 70 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: percent in terms of sped. So it's a bit two 71 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: speed at the moment. But go around parts of the 72 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: country a Tago South and cannonading hawks. 73 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: But go around parts of the country if you having 74 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: drinks with Christian hawks we last night, because here's here's 75 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: his problem. So yes, that part of the economy is brilliant, fantastic. 76 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: Couldn't be Go downtown Auckland, downtown Welling. Still tough, it's 77 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: not happening. 78 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I agree. That's what I'm saying 79 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: to you. We've been through a tough time. We are 80 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: turning the corner because at least you've got you've got 81 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: change happening. You've got some growth happening in different parts 82 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: of the sector. I think there's there's starting to be 83 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: some growth and manufacturing and services, which is good. 84 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: Well there's no growth, no, no, no, you can't, don't, don't, don't, misleaders. 85 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: There's growth and manufacturing multi month growth and manufacturing's no 86 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: growth in services and there hasn't been for ages. 87 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: Well, we did earlier in the year have some start 88 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: to growth and it's not as negative as it once was. 89 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: But we've got growth coming in that space. I'm just 90 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: saying to you it's a natural recovery, which is that 91 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: you've got two speed at the moment where you've got 92 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: something it's doing really well, some parts not. It will 93 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: come to Auckland last well. 94 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: But here's where Christian's got the problem. And I don't 95 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: know whether it's his fault of whether it's the mandates fault, 96 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: but he's talking and I liken it to ten people 97 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: in the room and he's going, we need to raise 98 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: one hundred bucks. And the dairy farmer number one goes, 99 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: I've got a hundred bucks. We're cool, and he goes, fantastic. 100 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: Economy is right and it's not right. And so yesterday's 101 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: busy saying that there are no more cuts coming because 102 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: we're right and we're not right. 103 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think. I think my read of it is 104 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: this huge amount of volatility going forward that he's you know, 105 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: that he's trying to navigate. I presume I would expect 106 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: that we would want to see continued interest rate cuts 107 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: over the period. 108 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: That's not what he was saying. 109 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: Yes, the second bit, the second bit I just say 110 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: is that you know the economy is coming, you know 111 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: we are, we are genuinely turning the corner. Now. The 112 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: points of fair one which you're making, which is how 113 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: do you make sure it's a much more even that 114 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: everyone feels that, right, that's natural, but where you've been, 115 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: where we've been, and then you're trying to get to 116 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: where we're getting to, which is more consistent growth across 117 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: the whole all sectors in the economy. I think things 118 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: for example, I think, honestly, things like investment boosts are 119 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: going to go really well good. Honestly, like the number 120 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: of people I spoken to the last that's been the 121 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: highlight of the budget. When you go talk to small 122 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: mini enterprises in East Tamicky yesterday, that are you know, 123 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 2: small businesses wanting to invest two hundred thousand dollars in 124 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: a C and C machine. That's five times more productive 125 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: than the one they've currently got. I was in a 126 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: place day before yesterday they had equipment from nineteen forty 127 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: eight there, you know, And it's just and it's just 128 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: that that twenty percent just means that it just makes 129 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: those proposals, those business cases cash flow positive and therefore 130 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: they pull those forward. I reckon, you're going to see 131 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: a mass of field days, you know this this year, 132 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: with people buying tractors and headers and also. 133 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: But once again, that's a reflection of the rule of 134 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: the concours through. 135 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: No, I know, it. 136 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: Doesn't flow through to Queen Street unless you're a bank. 137 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: But it will ultimately, right, it is, it is, it 138 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: is starting to when you look at our export led 139 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: growth that's actually been happening, which is what you want 140 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: to see. You know, we've had twenty one percent growth 141 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: of the UK at twenty eight percent growth the EU. 142 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: You know. 143 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 2: I weve got core core sectors growing really well, Tourism, 144 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: education coming back strongly. Those are things that start to 145 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: give you confidence that That's why I say, confidently we 146 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 2: are turning the corner. 147 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: Good. 148 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: All right, I hope you're right, but I know what 149 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: you're saying. It's got to be even. 150 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: It's got to be more whole, just to wrap up 151 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: the Christian Hawksby thing, because it was ironic. I saw 152 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: you and Nicola yet again come out as you do 153 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: as you should and go interest rate cuts, fantastic money 154 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: flowing into the economy. If there are no more interest 155 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: rates cuts, which is what I got from Hawksby yesterday, 156 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: because neutral on it, then what are you going to say? 157 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it didn't take that as there's 158 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: no more cuts coming. 159 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:06,559 Speaker 1: She's neutral. 160 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: You wouldn't have a clue. Yeah, But that doesn't mean 161 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: that they're not coming, right, I mean, but that aside. 162 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: I mean, the cool thing is that we've seen a 163 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 2: two point two five percent reduction and interest rates. If 164 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: you got a five hundred thousand dollars mortgage, that's three 165 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: hundred dollars a fortnight you've got back in your pocket. 166 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: You're spending back in the economy, as we talked about before, 167 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 2: strengthening retail economy, centering hospitality. I think the point I 168 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: was trying to make yesterday, which you know, the opposition 169 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: like to say, oh, well, you've got nothing to do 170 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 2: with it. It's all about the Reserve Bank. And the 171 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: point is you go took to any reserve bank governor 172 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: across the world, or any economists, and we had a 173 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: situation where fiscal and monetary policy did not work together 174 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: to actually deal with the challenges we had. You had ultimately, 175 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: you know, or eventually decided to stop printing money and 176 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: put the foot on the brakes, and meanwhile Hipkins carried 177 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: on with a foot on the accelerator, sprang it all over. 178 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, he did, he hawks. We let you down on 179 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: that yesterday because the question was reasonably clear, and you 180 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: said that you were spending all lack of spending had 181 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: nothing to do with at night that I'm assuming you 182 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: mean in retro. 183 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: The way the economists think of our externalities that might 184 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: be affected. 185 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: It's got to do with that. 186 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: You have to have those two working together. And it's interesting. 187 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: I saw some great charts from Sharon Zola showing exactly 188 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: that where that when it got disjointed, the volatility, and 189 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: you know, you put an excel same time cars on 190 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: the ditch, and that's what happened exactly. 191 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: Brian Roach and you and I have talked about this 192 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: a number of times. I think, without blowing my own trump, 193 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: and I've been proved to be right. This this this 194 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: business of leaking in the public service. They don't like you, 195 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: they're out to get you. Well, they may not like us. 196 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: The point is we have a politically neutral public service. 197 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: No you don't know, well, the old bunch of leakers. 198 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: Well, we've got some leakers, I mean, I think, and 199 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: the problem is those leaks actually undermine the actual other 200 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: people in the public service are actually very very good 201 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: and I think that's pretty unfair. So I don't know 202 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: whether it's more or less than what other governments have 203 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: encountered about it. Well, I mean, we've just got to 204 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: keep reiterating the point, and we've got to keep investigating 205 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: them when they happen if we can. But because I'm 206 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: more worried about what it does to undermine the public service. Now, 207 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: the question is you can in a democracy, you can 208 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: do wholesale regime change like you do in the US 209 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: when government comes in at the political appointees. Even in 210 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: Australia there's a period of time where there's political appointments 211 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: made early in a new government. I don't think New 212 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: Zealanders want that. They like the idea of a politically 213 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: neutral public service. I think we've got relatively few leaks. 214 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: I know, you know, it's frustrating when you see it, 215 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: but the bottom line is compared to the amount of 216 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: work we're doing. I mean, we turned fifty two bills 217 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: into law last year in our first year, first part 218 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: of the year, I mean, that's that's incredible. No one's 219 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: done that for age. It's more work I think in 220 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: half a term than people have done in two terms 221 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: in recent history. So you know, there's a lot of 222 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: threeput going through and I just think it's disappointing because 223 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: it undermines the public service. And I think, you know, 224 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 2: that's such a for Brian's. 225 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: Get it Errick Stamford into you. Is that a beata? 226 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: I mean it personally it is. I mean, she could 227 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: have expressed herself better get it. But what she was 228 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: really saying was she gets hit with a whole bunch 229 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: of unsolicited emails from people all over the world wanting 230 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: to come to New Zealand and plead their case. You know, 231 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: in this case, it was to her personal emails. That's 232 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: just not right. You know, she was dealing with that 233 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: issue and saying the volume of what she's got, but 234 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: you know, there's no you know, I'm very relaxed about it. 235 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: You know, we've got a great relationship with our emergen counterparts. 236 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: We've already met face to face on the FDA negotiations, 237 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: you know, and that's still got lots of momentum, which has. 238 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: Only got one minute left. And this isn't your department, 239 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: but it does dovetail into what's. 240 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: Wrong with about Class service number twenty. 241 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: So no, it's not close, though, wyuku four hundred thousand 242 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: dollars to build a raised pedestrian crossing. Explain to me 243 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: how it costs four hundred thousand dollars to do that. 244 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: Yep, I've got no idea. It's the short answer. But 245 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: I've said, for four hundred thousand dollars, I'll go out 246 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: and do a working be on the weekend myself. 247 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: But that sees everything that's wrong with this country right now. 248 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't in terms of prospectivity and expend it. 249 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: You've got to be in the arena trying to turn 250 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: it around. And I know it's frustrating, and I get 251 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: hit with the stuff each and every day, but by God, 252 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 2: we've got to get more right than wrong, and we've 253 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: got to keep trying, keep swinging all rights Relux. 254 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: For more from the mic Asking breakfast, listen live to 255 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or fun 256 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: of the podcast on iHeartRadio.