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Speaker 1: Digging through the Smith to find the real story story.

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Speaker 1: It's hither Duplessyl drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected.

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Speaker 1: News TALKSB Afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Mark Robinson has quit as the boss of New Zealand Rugby.

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Speaker 2: He's done five years in the job. He will depart

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Speaker 2: at the end of this year. News Talk zb's Elliott

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Speaker 2: Smith was at his press conference and it is with

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Speaker 2: us now, Hey, Elliott, Hello, it was always going to

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Speaker 2: end this way, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: I think so yeah, Look, if you've got a new

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Speaker 3: board in charge, there's clearly a movement for change in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand rugby. Mirk Robinson's got some family in Australia,

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Speaker 3: so I think ultimately it's probably a good time for

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Speaker 3: everyone to clear the dicks and you know, get onto

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Speaker 3: the next five to ten year cycle that New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Rugby can now plot out, which sees a lot of

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Speaker 3: change in the international game. Especially.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he will leave a mixed legacy or

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Speaker 2: just a poor legacy.

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Speaker 3: I think mixed, And I think the jury's out on

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Speaker 3: the Silver Lake investment and whether it's being used in

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Speaker 3: the right way, whether it was the right decision in

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Speaker 3: the first place. You know a lot of people around

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Speaker 3: the Super Rugby changes as well that came about as

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Speaker 3: a result of COVID. Also I'm a fan of those changes.

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Speaker 3: I think ultimately this year we've probably seen a better

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Speaker 3: competition than what we've had. There have been a number

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Speaker 3: of other challenges for the game as well. But on

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Speaker 3: the flip side, he's been at the forefront of getting

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Speaker 3: some of the key rules changed in rugby, some touring concepts,

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Speaker 3: you know, the New Zealand so Africa tours that are

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Speaker 3: going to be reintroduced from next year, the Global Nations Cup,

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Speaker 3: which he's been quite hot on for his tenure as well.

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Speaker 3: So I think relatively mixed, but we probably won't know

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Speaker 3: the Silver Lake sort of legacy for another five or

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Speaker 3: so years.

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Speaker 2: He has done things that perhaps now we are not

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Speaker 2: regarding as particularly wonderful, but it may.

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Speaker 3: Be for maybe in time. And look, you know that

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Speaker 3: New Zealand so Africa series next year, which is going

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Speaker 3: to be a great tour. That's a lot of his

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Speaker 3: work that is going to be you know, part of that,

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Speaker 3: and the Nation's Cup is another one. So there have

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Speaker 3: been obviously Marx and his tenure that the handling of

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Speaker 3: the Ian Foster saga in twenty twenty too, when they

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Speaker 3: reappointed Ian Foster or kept him on through to the

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Speaker 3: World cart wasn't handled particularly well, So I'll be fairly

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Speaker 3: comfortable saying a mixed legacy at this point.

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Speaker 2: Okay, who would likely replace him? Who are they looking for?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the question. I think they need someone. You know,

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Speaker 3: silver Lake supposedly was going to open up all these

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Speaker 3: doors to all these brains and concepts around the global

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Speaker 3: Who's around the silver Lake table, who's been in organizations

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Speaker 3: that have had silver Lap money. Maybe someone from that

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Speaker 3: comes on board. Does it have to be a New Zealander.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that it necessarily. Does it have to

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Speaker 3: be a ruggy person. I don't know that it necessarily does.

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Speaker 3: It needs to be someone that understanding of how high

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Speaker 3: performance systems work but also how they're filtered down to

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Speaker 3: the grassroots, and the grassroots have been crying out for

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Speaker 3: more investment and obviously being the heartland of the game

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Speaker 3: for it for a number of years, they've felt at

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Speaker 3: times ignored. So it's going to be if this one

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Speaker 3: with a whole whole of game concept, I suppose that

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Speaker 3: they're going to have to try and find and it's very,

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Speaker 3: very difficult to say running a professional sports club elsewhere,

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Speaker 3: it's a real nisty, gritty, silver approach that you can

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Speaker 3: have to find and they don't scream out to you

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Speaker 3: across the table here in New Yo.

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Speaker 2: Right, Elliott, thank you so much. We always always enjoy

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Speaker 2: having a chat to you. That's Elliot Smith, Newstalk zb's

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Speaker 2: Rugby At. It is now Mark Robinson actually how the

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Speaker 2: press conference not long ago. He says that he's leaving

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Speaker 2: ends At are in a strong position.

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Speaker 4: Our teams, our athletes, our brands are far more recognizable

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Speaker 4: all around the world. We now invest you know, close

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Speaker 4: to forty million dollars a year into the community game,

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Speaker 4: which is significantly above you know where it was previously.

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