1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: So let's get some insight into how much of a 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: mess the Mary Party you're in at the moment. The 3 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: protest movement to tidity are officially distancing themselves from the 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: party that they well, they're seen as major allies up 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: until this point, and then you've got the problem with 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Labor of course, Flavel former co leaders with us, morning. 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: Mate, Are you. 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: Very well Eru karpa Key? I don't know him, do you? 9 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: He seems like a very affable, likable sort of bloke, 10 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: very articulate. 11 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good summary of him, very articulate, very 12 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: clear about what he's about, very confident, young, energitic, is 13 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: nice young men. 14 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So is he Is he troubled? I mean, what's 15 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: you try? What I couldn't work out yesterday was is 16 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: he just trying to distance himself? So, in other words, 17 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: what he's saying is we don't want to be aligned 18 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: with one group, we want to be our own people. 19 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: Or is he going there's something fundamentally wrong with the 20 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: Marory Party? 21 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably two issues. I mean one, I think it's 22 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: fair to say that that he does he I mean 23 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: the statement that he's made as politicians need to stop 24 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: being activists and activists need to stop being politicians, which 25 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: I think is a fair call. So and in that 26 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: regard trying to separate out the movement that he set 27 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: up today, he said that that's their focus around the 28 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: obligations to the Treaty of Waiting and keeping those at 29 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: the forefront of the New Zealand society. And then the 30 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: second part of courses is what is the point of 31 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: the political movement in Parliament and how can they best 32 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 2: achieve goals for the best interest solve the nation. 33 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: Is the dictatorship thing. The thing is that your observation 34 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: that they got a problem run that. 35 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I sort of haven't been involved too much 36 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: with the party at that level since I left, But 37 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: on the face of it, you'd say, well, there's a 38 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: few things going on off the back of the things 39 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: that have happened last couple of weeks, you know, the 40 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: whole issue with Doug, with the Ferris, the removal of 41 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: moder Minna moder Minna as whip, and this sort of 42 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: statement sort of feels the fire in a sense that 43 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: there are a few issues going on. They were unwillingness 44 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: of some of the leadership to talk to media. I 45 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: mean there was a wonderful occasion when all any Fai 46 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: Potter was both into the parliament and yet pretty much 47 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: told not to speak or wasn't allowed to speak, or 48 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: other people took over. So on the face of it, 49 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: you'd say, there's a few things going on. How deep 50 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: and how wide that is? I'm not exactly close enough 51 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: to be able to give you an informed of the view. 52 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: Real problems with Labor, isn't it. I mean, how did 53 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: Labor explain Maori Party too? Why did New Zealand who 54 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: are thinking these guys are crazy and we want nothing 55 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: to do with them. 56 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: I think that's fair. You know. I did learn a 57 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: few things in parliament on one of them is is 58 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: that you maintain relationships despite very differences of you. You know, 59 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: not as if the Mighty Party was aligned with the 60 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: National Party back in the day when I was in 61 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: at the time of Studdy I named PTA as well. 62 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: But you got on and you had relationships with people, 63 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: knowing full well, and unless you're a part of the 64 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: governing party, you get enough. And how people expect a 65 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: lot from Mary MPs, in particular in the Mary Party, 66 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: they expect them to bring get some other get some action, 67 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: done not only through legislation, but in terms of turning 68 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: around the living conditions that many people suffer at the moment. 69 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: So I think, as I say, I think the point 70 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: around politicians being politicians made by it was a fair call. 71 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: Good stuff math, nice to catch up, Appreciate it to 72 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: UUA Flabel format to Party Mari co leader for more 73 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks 74 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 75 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.