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Speaker 1: Twenty one away from six the Huddle with New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Southeby's International Realty. Find your one of a.

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Speaker 2: Kind on the Huddle with me.

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Speaker 3: This evening we have Morris Williams, an Auckland councilor, and

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Speaker 3: Jack Tame, host of Q and A and Saturday Mornings

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Speaker 3: here on z B. Hello you too. Yeah, how refreshing

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Speaker 3: Morris is.

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Speaker 4: Bill Gates, Oh, it's fantastic. I love the man and

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Speaker 4: I think he's just saying, let's put it in proportion

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Speaker 4: instead of it being the we're all doomed and we're

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Speaker 4: all going to die and the world's coming to an end,

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Speaker 4: because that's how it was being portrayed at some point. Yes,

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Speaker 4: we've got to do things. Yes, we've got to do

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Speaker 4: things that make sense. Yes, science will actually allow us

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Speaker 4: to change how much an animal farts and so on.

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Speaker 4: But let's actually just not sort of run into the

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Speaker 4: dark room and think it's all coming to an end, Morris.

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Speaker 3: For somebody like you who is in a position like

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Speaker 3: Auckland Council, is this going to help you? Like the

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Speaker 3: fact that there are more and more people coming out

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Speaker 3: and say whoa like this needs to just we need

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Speaker 3: to calm our farm on this, and people like Bill

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Speaker 3: Gates is this it's going to help you to be

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Speaker 3: able to resist some of the nuttier ideas that you

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Speaker 3: come up against that council level.

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Speaker 4: I'd hope so. I'd hope so, because in the end,

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Speaker 4: one of the facts that I quite use regularly is

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Speaker 4: that if New Zealand was to disappear off the planet

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Speaker 4: just the growth and the missions in China, India and

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Speaker 4: the Middle East alone would have made up for the

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Speaker 4: entire emissions of New Zealand. So we'd be back to

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Speaker 4: exactly where we were in twelve days time. So we

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Speaker 4: could wipe New Zealand completely off the planet and it

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Speaker 4: would make no difference. Yeah, I'm not saying we shouldn't

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Speaker 4: do things. We should do things that are sensible, should

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Speaker 4: do things that are in the cost benefit ratios in

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Speaker 4: terms of it, And there's lots that can be done.

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Speaker 4: But let's not sort of sort of flagellate ourselves and

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Speaker 3: Now, Jack, do you remember what we were talking about

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Speaker 3: last week?

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Speaker 2: A climate change?

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Speaker 3: You and I were talking about climate change and how

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Speaker 3: the thing just has to kind of swing wildly to

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Speaker 3: This is more of us just settling in the middle,

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Speaker 2: I think so. Actually, Yeah, I mean, I think, having

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Speaker 2: he is, you know, pretty reasonably coming down to kind

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Speaker 2: of a practical response point. I mean, it's true that

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Speaker 2: if we blow through one point five to go is warming,

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Speaker 2: which I think pretty clearly we have, It's not like

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Speaker 2: the world is going to end. I still think there

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Speaker 2: is a wealth of evidence that suggests that the more

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Speaker 2: warming we see, the greater the impacts, and I think

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Speaker 2: it is in humanity's collective interest to try and reduce

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Speaker 2: think it's also pretty clear that that there are all

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Speaker 2: I think for the most party reason.

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Speaker 3: Jack, there will be you will have friends, right because

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Speaker 3: you've got some You've got some lefty friends. You will

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Speaker 3: have friends who genuinely will be upset with him. For

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Speaker 3: saying that it's not going to wipe out humanity right

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Speaker 3: there are people who actually believe it's an existential crisis

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Speaker 4: Right here.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any friends, full stop. I don't have

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Speaker 2: there are people who think that it is a looming

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Speaker 2: I don't think we're facing an existential crisis anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: And there'll be some people who say that Bill Gates

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Speaker 4: Are all doomed.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all all. Right, Listen, I want to Morris,

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Speaker 3: you're loving this as much as me I can tell. Right,

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Speaker 3: we're going to discuss the teachers next stand By sixteen

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global

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Speaker 3: Estate fourteen away from six Back with the Huddle, Morris

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Speaker 3: Williams and Jack Tay Morris. What's up with the teachers

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Speaker 3: and they're winging over the curriculum.

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Speaker 4: I look, it's disappointing, but I guess everybody feels sort

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Speaker 4: of nervous about change. I think when Erica did the

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Speaker 4: of Oh, we don't want this, and this is too

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Speaker 4: much and we are not equipped for it. And she

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Speaker 4: made it clear that if proper resources were made available,

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Speaker 4: I now, I think that's gone exceedingly well and good honor.

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Speaker 4: I think she's one of the best ministers this government's

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Speaker 4: extending it into things like history, for example, and start

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Speaker 4: to teach history across the board, history including a bit

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Speaker 4: of internettional history as well well done, and I just

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Speaker 4: think as long as the teachers are resourced for it,

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Speaker 2: I think it's just really hard to separate the criticisms

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Speaker 2: between the teacher unions and the government's not exactly in

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Speaker 2: a great place. But as an outsider, I also find

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Speaker 2: it really tricky to distinguish legitimate criticisms from what sometimes

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Speaker 2: there are some legitimate criticisms or concerns and all of this,

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Speaker 3: You mean, like when the pe teachers complained that the

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Speaker 2: Well, essentially, yeah, do you know an another thing?

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Speaker 4: I always remember New Zealand and.

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Speaker 2: After I am, after they announced the new qualification, and look,

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Speaker 2: we haven't seen all the meat on the bone with

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Speaker 2: like this is all this isn't necessarily good. And so

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Speaker 2: my point is just that like if it's from time

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Speaker 2: this National government lead decision is a really good thing

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Speaker 2: and this is going to improve educational outcome, then I

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I hear you. I hear you now, Marris, what do

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Speaker 3: you make of Chippy making it personal with Luxel? I

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Speaker 3: mean that was with a CGT. That was probably always

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Speaker 4: I'm one of these people who think if you have

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Speaker 4: to make anything in politics personal, then you've lost the debate.

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Speaker 4: I only ever got thrown out of Parliament once in

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Speaker 4: my whole thirty years, and that's because I didn't wear

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Speaker 4: But if you've got a good debate, then you've got

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Speaker 4: really good facts to back up your debate. Then use

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Speaker 4: them and prove what's wrong about the other side or

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Speaker 4: what's good about yours. Get into the personal stuff, you've

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Speaker 3: I thought of you yesterday, Jack, because I know you

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Speaker 3: happy day.

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Speaker 2: A CDT? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You do know that one of your most famous moments

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Speaker 2: Because you were, well, I mean, I do think there

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Speaker 2: to a CGT is worth considering. That being said, I

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Speaker 2: it looks like it's going to meaningfully move the dial

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Speaker 3: That's how it works.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well, well this is the thing though, right

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Speaker 2: I just don't think from solely from a political perspective,

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon, Morris? Do you reckon New Zealand's

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Speaker 3: ready to love it? Because the people in Wellington keep

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Speaker 3: on texting me and not on New Zealand's ready for

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Speaker 3: a CGT people love it? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think they love it at all.

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Speaker 4: And I think if you're one of these lawyers in

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Speaker 4: the property area, you can drive a tractor through this.

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Speaker 4: I mean, first, what's the definition of a family home?

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Speaker 4: What if you're just living with the person rather than married,

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Speaker 4: And that's very popular these days. They own a house

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Speaker 4: and you own a house, which is which? So do

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Speaker 4: your kids, if they're old enough, can own the property

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Speaker 4: of what? And then how do you accommodate all the

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Speaker 4: money you've spent on maintenance and improvements over the years.

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Speaker 4: Now it says you can have that deducted who keeps

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Speaker 4: all the bloody receipts?

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Speaker 3: We all are now, aren't we?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 3: That's going to happen to reduce that text.

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Speaker 4: I thought, if you're ever going to launch a new policy,

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Speaker 4: that has got to be the Titanic of all policy launchers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they are the distinct faces on yesterday for sure.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 3: It's wonderful to talk to you. Thank you, Jack and Morris.

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Speaker 3: The huddle this evening seven away from six.

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