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Speaker 1: More emergency motel drama. In wrote a ruin Ministry of

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Speaker 1: Housing and Urban Development supply to keep seven facilities open

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Speaker 1: for another year. That's now in the hands of an

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Speaker 1: independent Commission of the Residents and Rapiers. Chairman Reynald McPherson's

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Speaker 1: with us, Rentald, morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any hope that the independent commissioner is

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Speaker 1: going to somehow go your way or it's a foregone conclusion.

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Speaker 2: No, we don't have any faith in the commission process

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Speaker 2: at all. That's set up by the council had always

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Speaker 2: seems to come out with the their preferred solution.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, although the mayor's sort of on you, So, I

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Speaker 1: mean she's been very anti these emergency housing hasn't she.

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Speaker 2: Tanya Mayor Tani Tapsle was the housing lead under the

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Speaker 2: previous minister, under the previous mayor. That's set up the

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Speaker 2: whole of the housing industry. So I think she's paying

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Speaker 2: the ends off against the middle here. Before the last election,

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop and Tama Podecker in our local MP Todd

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Speaker 2: McLay all promised to stop dumping homeless and oat ruer.

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Speaker 2: But the MSD will not give us the numbers. Ombusman

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Speaker 2: has asked them to help, but they've refused to do so,

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Speaker 2: so we don't even know the numbers are still they've

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Speaker 2: brought into rot since the last election.

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Speaker 1: Now you raise a really interesting point, because I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: a lot of pushback from the public service at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible the ministers if not aware, or maybe

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Speaker 1: are aware. I have told them not to do what

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Speaker 1: they're doing, but they're doing it anyway.

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Speaker 2: That could be the case. We're not privy to that,

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Speaker 2: but I do know that caring Aura is still rushing ahead,

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Speaker 2: and pepper potting social housing across many suburbs, crimes pretty rampant.

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Speaker 2: But our view is that tourism and the whole of

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Speaker 2: our economy will recover at the rate at which the

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Speaker 2: homeless industry shrinks. But they've set up a homeless industry,

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Speaker 2: so it's got a great deal of impetus to it.

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Speaker 2: But it can't continue.

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Speaker 1: It's all about reputation, isn't real. I mean, you look

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Speaker 1: at Wellington. You know the reputation of Wellington is it's

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Speaker 1: a mess. The reputation of rota Ua is its home

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Speaker 1: to emergency housing. And that's the thing you got to break.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly and changing that perception is going to depend

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Speaker 2: very much on I think the Road Lakes Council starving

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Speaker 2: to think afresh about a new model and persuading the

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Speaker 2: ministers not to keep dumping homeless on rover. As long

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Speaker 2: as they do that this housing, this homeless industry will

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Speaker 2: continue well.

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Speaker 1: Articulated Renal, appreciate your time on the program, Doctor Rendal Macpherson,

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Speaker 1: who is the Rhetorua District Residence and Rate Players Chairman.

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