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Speaker 1: Good morning, Tris Sharson Shirson, Willis Prre great to have you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday. Tim Wilson's here too from the Maximum Institute.

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Tim.

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Speaker 3: Happy Friday. Ryan and Tresham Gee was talking about naked emotions.

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Speaker 3: That editorial what was it nuclear bomb that you unleashed

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Speaker 3: on Hollywood this morning had me laughing in the car.

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Speaker 1: So this is about the Oscars nominations which have come out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many? How many movies nowadays are more

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Speaker 1: than three hours long? And our attention spans are shrinking,

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Speaker 1: but the movies are getting longer.

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Speaker 3: Well, I loved it.

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Speaker 2: And as someone who's just about to take over a

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Speaker 2: quarter of a century of marriage, Ryan, I've got one

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Speaker 2: word for you that's going to save you from these movies.

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Speaker 2: And that word is no very important word in marriage.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you the amount of times I have

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Speaker 2: had my loved one droning on about June is the

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Speaker 2: most amazing thing and why why won't I watch it?

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Speaker 2: And I think I can spare you from some of that,

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Speaker 2: some of that self indulgence from Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Do you know the problem is, especially with June, that

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Speaker 1: there are three it's a three parter, so that that's

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Speaker 1: that's nine hours minimum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and with all that sand, you'll make an oyster

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Speaker 2: and make a pearl by the time you come out

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Speaker 2: of the movie theater upsetting?

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Speaker 3: Can I just can I just say, though, I think

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Speaker 3: you know, to be honest, you had me until you're

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Speaker 3: saying our brains are getting smaller. I can't accept that diagnosis.

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Speaker 3: That offends my pride and vanity. I think we actually

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Speaker 3: what we're looking for are oases of reflection. We just

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Speaker 3: don't want to have to sit for two and a

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Speaker 3: half hours in a sea of crap. So I think

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Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, take time out, but don't you know,

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Speaker 3: just don't don't don't blame Hollywood, Ryan, Hollywood's the problem.

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Speaker 3: You're the solution.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just need to relax and probably stop being

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Speaker 1: cheap and fork out for one of the more comfortable seats,

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Speaker 1: because then it's a more enjoyable experience for everyone. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is a difficult question to answer, Tim, because which

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Speaker 1: will become clear when I ask it. But does New

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Speaker 1: Zealand have a culture of saying no?

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Speaker 3: I think to some extent it does. I guess the

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Speaker 3: question is what we're saying no to and what we're

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Speaker 3: saying yes to. So a successful country or ostensibly successful

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Speaker 3: like Singapore, says no to a whole bunch of things

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Speaker 3: like petty crime, like chewing gum in public. It's a

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Speaker 3: bit like Auckland Airport in that way. But let's not

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Speaker 3: go down that road. It's a question. I think we

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Speaker 3: need to decide what we're saying yes to and what

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Speaker 3: we're saying no to. And I think this is the

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Speaker 3: beginning of a discussion about what our actual vision for

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Speaker 3: the country over the next two decades looks like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is obviously from Luxon and his State of

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Speaker 1: the Nation yesterday saying we're just not ambitious enough. Trish

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Speaker 1: he's saying mining. And we had Shane Jones on this morning.

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Speaker 1: He's got a big announcement he said thirty first of

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Speaker 1: January about areas of New Zealand like the Dockland, basically

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Speaker 1: that we will open up for mining. But we are

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Speaker 1: used to saying no a little bit here, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: Well I thought it was really interesting that Luxon was

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Speaker 2: talking to business yesterday, but the real question is is

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Speaker 2: Wellington listening. I mean, the bureaucracy in Wellington has become

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Speaker 2: like New Zealand's one giant road cone that just gets

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Speaker 2: plunked down whenever any progress needs to be made. And

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Speaker 2: so I think it's a big culture shift in Wellington.

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Speaker 2: Luxon has nailed a couple of points here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we are desperate for growth in New Zealand, but look

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Speaker 2: at you know, for decades the OIO Overseas Investment Act

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Speaker 2: has been politicized, so every time someone from overseas wants

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Speaker 2: to buy a farm or something else, it's major headlines

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Speaker 2: for months. So we've got to get over ourselves and

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Speaker 2: open up to the world. But I do have a

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Speaker 2: bone to pick with you on this, Ryan, because yesterday

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Speaker 2: Luxon talked about one of the reasons we're hampered in

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Speaker 2: growth is because we haven't got enough concerts at Eden Park.

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Speaker 2: I heard you suggest this morning that Helen Clark should

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Speaker 2: moved to Grayland because she doesn't like the concerts in

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Speaker 2: easy solution, And let me just say this, Graylan is

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Speaker 2: not a suburb of wet blankets, nor do we want

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Speaker 2: to be a suburb of wet blankets. And in fact,

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Speaker 2: around here, if anyone here's a party going on at night,

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Speaker 1: Well there's a suburb. We can see Helen Clark.

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Speaker 3: I've seen Helen Clark on the Reds. She'd add to

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Speaker 3: your party, Trisia. So it's no worries in that department.

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Speaker 1: It is wild, though, Tim, Isn't it just on the

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Speaker 1: and just let them go for it? Helpful ether if you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Eden Park's been around since like nineteen hundred,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, obviously grown and what it can do

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Speaker 1: and stuff. But if you've bought a house there, you

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, it's and look actually was I

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Speaker 3: was speaking of eating. I was at the Luke Colmbs

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Speaker 3: concert last week and there were people who'd flown there

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Speaker 3: So I mean he's right in that sense. Then if

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Speaker 3: you buy a house in eden Park, you know, when

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Speaker 3: and suck it up.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what what this reminded me of was

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Speaker 2: I went to a speech by one of the government

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Speaker 2: minister's last year and one of the stats that stuck

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Speaker 2: out to me was that that new Zealand's pipeline of

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Speaker 2: major events literally is completely empty, and that that is

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Speaker 2: not a great thing for New Zealand. But also the

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Speaker 2: Eden Park thing brings us back to the bigger point

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Speaker 2: about not being ambitious enough. You know, the cost of

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Speaker 2: not having an amazing, purpose built stadium that's in an

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Speaker 2: area where it's you know, good for everyone to be

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Speaker 2: at you can have a concert seven days a week.

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Speaker 2: That's our bigger problem here. So you know, we just

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Speaker 2: we do need to get more ambitious and back.

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Speaker 1: Ourselves we have. We can't ignore Donald Trump. He's had

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Speaker 1: a big week obviously returning to the White House. But

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Speaker 1: you have to admit tim you know, like him or

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Speaker 1: low them, his politics whatever, He's come in with a plan.

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Speaker 1: The man has a plan. He obviously had these executive

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Speaker 1: there'd be consequences.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, I think I think there's a sense

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Speaker 3: of and you know, we were talking about New Zealand earlier.

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Speaker 3: What we're seeing from the Trump administration is a kind

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Speaker 3: of dynamism now you may may not like the direction

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Speaker 3: it's going in, but at least there's a plan and

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Speaker 3: there's a sequence of events and orders. And look that

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Speaker 3: that plethora, what was it, one hundred executive orders signed

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Speaker 3: after the inauguration. That was a response though to Joe

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Speaker 3: sort of like he signed those executive orders at a rally.

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Speaker 3: So there's a performative nature here, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: There's so much performance these days, and particularly in politics,

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Speaker 3: and I don't you know, you want to do things

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Speaker 3: because they're the right thing to do. You don't want

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Speaker 3: to do things because a crowd of people will starts

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Speaker 3: shouting and cheering your name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the reason that he did that particular

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Speaker 1: stunt was because the whole thing was moved indoors, so

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Speaker 1: And I think that was more a response to the

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Speaker 1: weather than anything else. But I take your point, Trush,

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Speaker 1: here's a performer. He is a more consummate performer. Trish,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Trump's this wig?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's wild, isn't it. Every Day you tune in

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Speaker 2: and you think, Wow, what's going to happen now? I mean,

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Speaker 2: the performative nature is Trump of Trump is amazing. Everyone

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Speaker 2: knows they are better prepared this time around. They were

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Speaker 2: as shambles in twenty seventeen, but they've had all this

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Speaker 2: time to do the work. As Tim said, whether you

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Speaker 2: like it or not, a couple of things I think

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Speaker 2: are interesting. Translating back here to New Zealand, to Tim's

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Speaker 2: a plea, probably to our New Zealand politicians to remember

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Speaker 2: you are in Wellington to make law, not tiktoks. And

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Speaker 2: and then the other sort of slightly hopeful note I

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Speaker 2: take out of what Trump has just told the luminaries

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Speaker 2: that Davos overnight is that this is a revolution of

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Speaker 2: common sense. And as you know, Ryan, one of my

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Speaker 2: I'm positive, I'm positive this year that we're entering a

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Speaker 2: revolution of common sense. Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: The Other thing you like to harp on about, because

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Speaker 1: you do have a long list, is being capable capable people,

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Speaker 1: and you'll love this. Gen Z apparently don't want to

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Speaker 1: about self reliance among young people. Tim, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a particularly capable person, but a light bulb.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And look, you know there is a mode

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Speaker 3: here at work. Remember when we used to bag millennials

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Speaker 3: relief because the algorithm now says it's time to gang

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Speaker 3: up on gen Z. They can't change a light bulb.

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Speaker 3: What a bunch of silker bubbers. Actually it was like

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Speaker 3: one quarter outsourcer. Okay, that's lame, but that means seventy

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Speaker 3: five percent is still changing their own light bulb. That's

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Speaker 3: quite good. Maybe they should gang up on the one

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Speaker 3: quarter who don't want to do it, get over with

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Speaker 3: the ladder, show them how to go. I don't think

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Speaker 3: we should succumb to this demographic divide, we are one,

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Speaker 3: let's unite well, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: That completely ignored the question as usual what I mean

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Speaker 2: to the broader point. Yes, I value, among among any

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Speaker 2: everything else, people who are practical and capable and what

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Speaker 2: I've learned in life and again this is back to

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Speaker 2: back to a quarter of a century, have been roped

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Speaker 2: into the great institution of marriage that if you are

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Speaker 2: not practical and capable in some areas which I am not,

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Speaker 2: I t for instance, or changing tires, marry someone who is.

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Speaker 2: It's all about the division of labor.

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Speaker 3: That's why you sit. That's why you have to sit

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Speaker 3: in cinemas to movies like doing that you don't like

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Speaker 3: because change the tire.

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Speaker 2: It's no, there's no value exchange in this relationship. You

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Speaker 2: just you just do stuff as you have to.

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Speaker 1: Oh, brilliant guys. A great end of the week. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for that. That is the week with Trish Jerson Cherson,

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Speaker 1: willisipe R, Tim Wilson The Maximum Institute.

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