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Speaker 2: Hello youot to good afternoon. Welcome into Weekend Sport on

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Speaker 2: News Talks ed B. For Saturday, June twenty eight, Happy

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Speaker 2: birthday to Jimmy Spitzel. I'm Jason Pineeshow producer Mark Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Today we're talking sport until three now. Just a reminder

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Speaker 2: though the big rugby store rory has been at grassroots level. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: there's no junior or senior club rugby being played in

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Speaker 2: the Holofanua Carpandy Province this weekend. After the Union made

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Speaker 2: sideline abuse of officials at grassroots sport, often school sport,

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Speaker 2: often junior sport. Do you see it has gotten worse?

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Speaker 2: And what on earth can be done about it? And

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Speaker 2: Ahead of the event for New Zealand is Alex Cory.

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Speaker 2: There's no grassroots rugby in the Hollford of a Carpety

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Speaker 3: What I can say is it was abhorrent and the

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Speaker 4: In short, yes, we absolutely support their decision. As you've

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Speaker 4: shame they've had to go to these links now to

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Speaker 4: Positive to say that they're following through on that now.

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Speaker 2: Are they able to act unilaterally on this? Michael? Do

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Speaker 2: they need to get New Zealand Rugby approval of some

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Speaker 4: This fits entirely within their sort of jurisdiction responsible for

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Speaker 2: Do you think other unions will consider following suit? Have

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure that they necessarily will move to these links,

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Speaker 2: Pu Do you think that the fact that hold off

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Speaker 4: I think it's obviously save ideally's sive a purpose for

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Speaker 4: might happen if done it's a similar improvement and behavior.

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Speaker 2: Would you consider taking nationwide action of this type.

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Speaker 4: I think it would probably be beyond sort of a

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Speaker 4: doing that, because the reality is we know that provincial

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Speaker 4: a decision for PUS, but certainly would be there to

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Speaker 4: ever repeat that. These would be metters for local provincial

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Speaker 2: Would it not show leadership from the national body if

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Speaker 2: you were to do something in a nationwide sense, Well,

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Speaker 4: A leadership role for us to play in this space

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Speaker 4: to ensure that behavior doesn't get to this point. So

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Speaker 4: got to do, what good behavior looks like, and rewarding

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Speaker 4: that good behavior through to the sort of embulence at

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Speaker 4: like this. So we provide sort of leadership around a

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Speaker 2: Record and I'm only speaking hypothetically here, but if this

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Speaker 2: it's connected to the sort of action that they've taken,

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Speaker 4: I think this is a good example of, you know,

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Speaker 2: Do you think abuse directed towards officials at grassroots level

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Speaker 4: See, we do capture reporting around referee abuse cases, and

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Speaker 4: that's important for us to sort of understand the national level,

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Speaker 4: what's happening, where that might be happening, what we can

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Speaker 4: do to try and influence better outcomes there. Over recent years,

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Speaker 4: and we did see and I think other sports saw

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Speaker 4: So it's hard to pinpoint exactly whether or not we're

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Speaker 4: seeing increasing issues on sidelines or if it's just a

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Speaker 4: symptom of increased reporting. What we do know, though, is

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Speaker 4: that we deliver around sixty seven thousand games of rugby

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Speaker 4: we had seventy four cases of referee abuse that sort

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Speaker 2: What is the threshold, Mike, Is it when verbal becomes

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Speaker 4: A couple of steps back from that in terms of

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Speaker 2: The incident that led to hot off and a company

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Speaker 4: Here's a judicial process that's underway at the moment, and

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Speaker 4: So that's for them to determine and they'll report that

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard as I have. As I say,

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Speaker 2: Because by the sounds of it, here's what I've heard, Mike,

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Speaker 2: So how do you actually get to the bottom of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there be the purpose of the judicial investigation

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Speaker 2: And just back to the numbers you go before about

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Speaker 2: I think you said seventy four cases of complaints being escalated.

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Speaker 2: isn't it when you consider there's seven thousand games in

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, as I said, we've been trying to encourage more

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Speaker 4: What we're talking about really is the national reporting and

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Speaker 2: How challenging is recruitment and retention of referees. Anyway, without

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Speaker 4: Yeah, these things soonaly don't help. It's a difficult job

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Speaker 4: So there's program from trying to showcase the great opportunities

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Speaker 4: We're trying to show stories around how valuable rewarding it

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Speaker 4: That is a long investment.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll keep eyes on the impact that this

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Speaker 2: for joining us this afternoon, Mike, really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mike, Mike Kester, New Zealand Rugby's head of

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Speaker 2: Rugby Participation at community level. Your chance to react now.

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Speaker 2: Twelve twenty four, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty sideline

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Speaker 2: abuse of officials at grassroots sport, often junior sport, as

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Speaker 2: I say, this one was in a secondary school game,

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Speaker 2: Do you see it? Has it gotten worse? And what

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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear your suggestions on eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: it and continue to contribute and to do something that

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Speaker 2: clearly you enjoy. Otherwise you wouldn't do it. I mean

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Speaker 2: you look at some of the stuff that goes on,

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. This is gutting for

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Speaker 2: very very small minority. But I back what's been done

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Speaker 2: This isn't just a rugby problem. This sort of thing

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Speaker 2: Sometimes that the abuse, the verbal abuse, and then potentially

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Speaker 2: the physical abuse might get directed at us. Tough situation

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Speaker 2: sure that's a great combo. And if you can't get

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Speaker 6: I am just looking at this incident up on the

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Speaker 6: You've got Saint pet Town second fifteen no game today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and others as well, Terrance. So what would you

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Speaker 6: Well, they need to come down hard on Manor College.

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Speaker 6: That's what they need to do.

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Speaker 2: Well as I understand it, and you might have seen this, Terrence,

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Speaker 2: They've said, no, we're not going to play. That's a

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Speaker 2: Whoever mana we're playing, they don't have a game?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, some pets Silverstream third fifteen.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 6: So, And the point I want to make is when

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Speaker 6: to referee the game. The players are here to play

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Speaker 6: the game. If I hear another word from you, I'll

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Speaker 2: Good strong action, terrence from you. I like it as

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Speaker 2: I understand it. It was more than just one person

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Speaker 2: I think spectators tend to take their lead as well,

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Speaker 2: If the coach is going off off, and you'll find

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Speaker 2: must be something to be upset about. I'll have a crack.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your call, Terrence. Good job, says this text.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps they might learn to pull their heads and even

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Speaker 2: in top rugby, we can all think there's the odd

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Speaker 2: bad decision, but that's life. This is a great call.

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Speaker 2: Hello Carlos.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a name, Piney.

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Speaker 8: I think some of the spectators and patrons on the

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Speaker 8: sideline could do something here as well. But everyone's got

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Speaker 8: devices these days, and that you don't have to go

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Speaker 8: and approach the person who's yelling at the rep or

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Speaker 8: whatever's happening. But surely from there they can take a

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Speaker 8: recording and send it back to the club. From the

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Speaker 8: club there can make a decision about whether, you know,

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Speaker 8: things should go further or not, and then they can

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Speaker 8: back up from their local union as well. Yeah, just

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Speaker 8: from there, you know.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, No, no, no, no, Carlos. It's a great point

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Speaker 2: you're making, and you're right. We do have the we

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Speaker 2: do have the ability now to film stuff and send

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Speaker 2: it back. The other part about this is that, let's

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Speaker 2: just say, let's follow through with your example. You see

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Speaker 2: something on the sideline, some guy having a crack at

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Speaker 2: the reef, so you think I'll just film that and

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Speaker 2: I'll send it off to the club. Gets to the

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Speaker 2: club and they go all that bloke's not associated with us,

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Speaker 2: He's just he's just happening to be walking past. You know,

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Speaker 2: that's the difficulty. His clubs can only control their members, really,

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Speaker 2: Can they control every Tom Dick and Harry and his

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Speaker 2: dog walking past?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 2: But Carlos, you're right. I think you know, the more

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Speaker 2: it's called out, the better. And Mike Hester said before that,

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Speaker 2: you know, they don't know whether there's more incidents of

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Speaker 2: it or more reporting of those incidents, but you know,

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Speaker 2: the more it's reported, I guess if somebody thinks shivers.

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Speaker 2: If I if I go off of it on the

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Speaker 2: sideline and I'm going to get my video posted over

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Speaker 2: social media, then maybe they'll think twice.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, great, yeah and again it'll be publicized and yes anyway,

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Speaker 8: but anyway, deal with my thoughts on it.

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Speaker 2: Good on your Carlos. Always good to hear from you, mate.

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Speaker 2: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty twenty eight away from one.

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Speaker 2: We're back with more of your calls after this. Ninet

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Speaker 2: two ninety two for the text, I eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty on the phones.

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Speaker 1: The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend

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Speaker 1: Sport with Jason GJ Gunnos, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

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Speaker 2: News Dogs twenty five to one on text. Water polo

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Speaker 2: is really bad for referee and sideline abuse, says this text.

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Speaker 2: The refs take a hammering from coaches and spectators alike.

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Speaker 2: Refs can give yellow and red cards out and I've

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Speaker 2: seen several, but it's really ugly. I don't know why

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Speaker 2: I'm laughing at that. But the players would have no idea,

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Speaker 2: would they? The players on a water polos play on

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Speaker 2: thinking of underwater hockey. Sorry, water polo the heads above

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Speaker 2: the water, isn't it? Sorry? Uh oh yeah, odd. I

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Speaker 2: never thought of water polo as a as a game

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Speaker 2: that would be afflicted by this. The text continues, my

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Speaker 2: son plays in a football team which has a silent

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Speaker 2: sideline policy that you, as a parent, sign up to.

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Speaker 2: I think the ref's kids, parents and coaches really see

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Speaker 2: the value. The kids only listen to their coach and

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Speaker 2: what they're being told to do, which is actually meaningful

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Speaker 2: for them for their play. I'm all for silent sidelines.

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Speaker 2: Thanks indeed for your text, Matt, thanks are calling make

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Speaker 2: good afternoon?

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Speaker 10: Good?

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Speaker 5: Hey Jason, how are you making very good?

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Speaker 11: Matt? Cool?

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Speaker 12: Hey, Yeah, No.

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Speaker 5: I just have a couple of thoughts about it. I

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Speaker 5: reckon like each club did really have like a like

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Speaker 5: a small group represented like that could like basically be

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Speaker 5: like I don't know, like a sideline ethics committee or

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Speaker 5: something like that, like a small group of like I

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Speaker 5: don't know, five people who would be like a few

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Speaker 5: representatives throughout the grades. And I think that like New

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Speaker 5: Zealand Rugby should like make it compulsory so that you know,

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Speaker 5: you could kind of have a few few people just

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Speaker 5: throughout the club just to kind of keep an eye

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Speaker 5: on what's going on, because it's not that difficult. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I've been involved in club rugby like most of my life,

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Speaker 5: and what tends to happen is there's always like the

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Speaker 5: serial offenders that are like little bit hot under the

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Speaker 5: collar just because they're like quite passionate people and they're

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Speaker 5: really into the game. And you know, we're is fair enough,

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Speaker 5: like passion's great, but then it's just a matter of

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Speaker 5: like perhaps pulling aside those particular people and just be like,

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Speaker 5: hey mate, I've noticed that, you know, and your passion's great,

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Speaker 5: but maybe just take it down a few notches, you

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Speaker 5: know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, absolutely that's something you're You're right because

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Speaker 2: and often what also gets accept as people say, oh,

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Speaker 2: I know, that's just Matt, that's just him. You know,

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Speaker 2: he gets a bit passionate sometimes. You know, he's a

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Speaker 2: good guy, he's good. Now he just gets my passionate. Well, actually,

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Speaker 2: you're right. Maybe you just take him as I say,

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Speaker 2: Hey Matt, mate, yeah you're go and pass the line here.

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Speaker 2: I'm not putting you on this conversation and you're just

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Speaker 2: a name on the screen, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, totally. I just

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Speaker 5: think that it's just kind of like that kind of

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Speaker 5: common sense approach, and like i'd imagine the followers in

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Speaker 5: that situation and I was pulled aside, you know, which

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Speaker 5: could happen. I've kind of had a bit of a

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Speaker 5: jump at the rest before, you know, I'd be kind

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Speaker 5: of a bit embarrassed to be like, oh jeez, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I didn't realize what was happening, you know, because you know,

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Speaker 5: when you're in that kind of mode, you don't actually

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Speaker 5: kind of a bit oblivious because you're so in bold

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Speaker 5: in the game, you know what I mean. So it

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Speaker 5: just kind of keep people aware of what's going on

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Speaker 5: a bit.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, good cor Matt, great cour mate, And I like

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Speaker 2: that idea. And people on the sideline too, Like if

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Speaker 2: it was an ethics committee as you've called it there,

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Speaker 2: I'd quite like it for a bit to be non

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Speaker 2: threatening people, you know, like maybe some grandmothers, because you know,

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Speaker 2: if they're going up to you know, to belligerent sideline abusers,

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Speaker 2: it can be quite disarming. I was always told that

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Speaker 2: before you do anything, before you commit any action, think

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Speaker 2: of the person whose opinion of you means the most

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Speaker 2: to you, and think to yourself, what would they think

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Speaker 2: if they saw me do this or say this? Georgie, Hello, Hello, I.

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Speaker 14: Don't even follow the sport. I like tennis, but I

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Speaker 14: was talking to someone about this and they said, why

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Speaker 14: don't the players stop? If the players stop, it would happen,

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Speaker 14: wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point, Georgie. Yes, I'd never thought of

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Speaker 2: it in that way. I guess the players sort of

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Speaker 2: get so focused on the game and probably don't know.

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Speaker 2: But no, I know that what's happened over in Europe,

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Speaker 2: mainly in other parts, is that when racial abuse comes

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Speaker 2: in from the crowd, often the players make a decision

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Speaker 2: to stop or walk off completely. So yeah, whether it

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Speaker 2: would happen at club sport if they I think if

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Speaker 2: they were getting abused themselves, maybe, but maybe they just think, well,

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Speaker 2: it's part of the part of the job for the referee,

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Speaker 2: which we all know that it's not. But it's an

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Speaker 2: interesting point.

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Speaker 14: Yes, I read one on my phone about the game

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Speaker 14: down and I think it was done eating against Invercacle.

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Speaker 5: Did you.

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Speaker 14: I don't know whether that's well known, but I read it.

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Speaker 14: I'm my phone about this bloke who was saying, you

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Speaker 14: honky you whatever, And it kept on and on and on,

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Speaker 14: and the referee finally stopped the game and said, I

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Speaker 14: won't carry on until he's moved. And all they did

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Speaker 14: was move in to the other end of the field

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Speaker 14: and he's still carried on even after the game was over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's and it's Georgie. And that said. Look,

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Speaker 2: I don't know you at all, but I can't imagine

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Speaker 2: you yelling out stuff like that on the sideline at

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Speaker 2: a sports match.

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Speaker 15: Well, I wouldn't be there for a start front of tennis,

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Speaker 15: but I can't answering a williams now after her out

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Speaker 15: first Saka won and she's on the sideline not getting

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Speaker 15: any attention.

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Speaker 2: You sound like you are. You've got a very good

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Speaker 2: moral compass, Georgie. Thank you for calling in. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: it very much. It's easy, he says. This text put

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Speaker 2: a parent Supporters Code of conduct and place at the

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Speaker 2: school and expelled parents for games. Future games have necessary

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Speaker 2: if they break the code. Yeah, I think at school

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Speaker 2: you can probably wrap a bit more around it, can't you.

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Speaker 2: I work in a primary school, says this text in

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Speaker 2: west Auckland. Several times a week I witness an enthusiastic

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Speaker 2: member of our leadership team barking and yelling at a

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Speaker 2: range of students across various sporting codes. This is modeling

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Speaker 2: to our young students that screaming, shouting, yelling as normal.

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Speaker 2: It's awful to listen to. I myself have coached many

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Speaker 2: school great teams and have not found yelling every instruction,

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Speaker 2: move or played a students beneficial to developing their intuition

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Speaker 2: of the game. Schools have a responsibility within their own

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Speaker 2: communities to highlight these issues. Thanks Indeed and Tatanaki Hockey.

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Speaker 2: This one says, have this year implemented a policy where

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Speaker 2: if an official receives abuse from players or spectators, that

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Speaker 2: team receives a penalty point, and there's a threshold where

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Speaker 2: if a team reaches they can lose competition points. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's good to see measures being put in place. Things

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Speaker 2: are being tried. That's what hot If it do a

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Speaker 2: carpetdy you're doing, they're at least doing something, and it

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Speaker 2: is it might be quite drastic, and it does affect

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Speaker 2: a lot of people, a lot of people because everybody

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Speaker 2: involved in hottophon a rugby this weekend, players, parents, referees, spectators,

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Speaker 2: everybody wrapped around the game of rugby and hotophone. A

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Speaker 2: company has to set out this weekend, but at least

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Speaker 2: it's shining a light. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: eighteen to one back after.

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Speaker 1: This the big issues on and after fields call oh

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason.

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Speaker 2: Fine and GJ.

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Speaker 1: Gunner Homes New Zealand's first trusted home builder News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Twelve forty five. And I wanted to talk to a

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Speaker 2: referee who does this we can week out at grassroots level.

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Speaker 2: I've got one. Rob Harmon is an Auckland based grassroots

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Speaker 2: rugby referee. Good to chat to you, Rob. How long

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Speaker 2: have you been refereeing?

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Speaker 16: First of all, yeah, Findy, thanks for having me twenty years.

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Speaker 4: Wow, we are we are?

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Speaker 2: That is a while, So clearly it's something that you

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Speaker 2: at least don't hate, probably enjoy. You know, you know

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about this afternoon In terms of the

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Speaker 2: feedback that referees can get from the sidelines. What sort

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Speaker 2: of feedback do you get?

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Speaker 6: Piney?

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Speaker 16: Look, it's I'm fortunate that I'm sort of referee at

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Speaker 16: the at the top end of rugby here and an Auckland.

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Speaker 16: You know mostly you know, senior or premier stuff and

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Speaker 16: in Firs fifteen as well, so you know, cases le

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Speaker 16: are like the one that's happened last week a few

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Speaker 16: and far between for me. Yeah, there's a I think

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Speaker 16: there's a line to be drawn at the you know,

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Speaker 16: the abuse and the threatening stuff. You know, you're always

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Speaker 16: going to get you, you know, come on reps or

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Speaker 16: you know, you know you missed a decision or whatnot.

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Speaker 16: But you know, I've you know, from my own you know,

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Speaker 16: my own history, I've I've I've never fortunately, never been

648
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Speaker 16: threatened or hit anything like that happened to me, which

649
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Speaker 16: is which is nice to have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that and a part of

651
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Speaker 2: this is the fact that you are a very good referee,

652
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Speaker 2: that's clear, and I want to talk about maybe those

653
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Speaker 2: who are developing their craft in a moment. But that

654
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Speaker 2: stuff from the sideline, oh, ref you know, as you say,

655
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Speaker 2: it's it's kind of part of the game. Do you

656
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Speaker 2: hear it, do you filter it? How do you deal

657
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Speaker 2: with it?

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Speaker 16: No, Look, I think we have enough to worry about

659
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Speaker 16: on the field to sort of discount anything. That's certainly

660
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Speaker 16: when when I think the AARs probably hear it in

661
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Speaker 16: the community of more than us. But no, look, as

662
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Speaker 16: I say, there's enough to try and get right in

663
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Speaker 16: seventy or eighty minutes of rugby, not to be too

664
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Speaker 16: attached to what other people are saying about you during

665
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Speaker 16: the game.

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Speaker 2: How do you you know? You know, like players know

667
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Speaker 2: when they've made a mistake, I'm sure a referee knows

668
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Speaker 2: when when he or she has made a mistake as well.

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Speaker 2: How do you how do you move on? And you think, well, shivers,

670
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Speaker 2: I haven't got that one right, but there's still you know,

671
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Speaker 2: still half an how to go? How do you deal

672
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Speaker 2: with that?

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Speaker 16: I think you have to be quite quite stubborn about it,

674
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Speaker 16: and in certain respects you've just got to pull your

675
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Speaker 16: socks up and get on with it. You know, we've

676
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Speaker 16: got quite a good relationship up here, and building relationships

677
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Speaker 16: and the management of the games is one of the

678
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Speaker 16: keys to referrering. So so you know on the field,

679
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Speaker 16: you know, I think most referees, if they've made an

680
00:35:35,707 --> 00:35:38,827
Speaker 16: absolute how well, we'll probably own up to it pretty

681
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Speaker 16: promptly in the in the community game, to the to

682
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Speaker 16: the captains on the field, and and that that builds

683
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Speaker 16: some rapport and and we'll get you across the finish line.

684
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Speaker 4: You know, on on.

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Speaker 16: Saturday last weekend, I had a scoreboard game and I

686
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Speaker 16: probably there's a high tackle and I probably made a

687
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Speaker 16: slightly soft decision on that. So you know, that was

688
00:36:02,707 --> 00:36:05,507
Speaker 16: that was all right during the game, after the game,

689
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Speaker 16: the quick discussion with the with the coaches, and then

690
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Speaker 16: and then having reviewed the video footage on Sunday where

691
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Speaker 16: it was clear that that decision was incorrect. You know,

692
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Speaker 16: it's just a text message to say, hey, look I've

693
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Speaker 16: got that wrong, and no hard feelings and yeah, and

694
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Speaker 16: that was the line was drawn underneath it.

695
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Speaker 2: How difficult is it for referees who are new to

696
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Speaker 2: the game. They're learning their trade, they're learning about the game,

697
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Speaker 2: they're getting used to lots of different match situations, and

698
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Speaker 2: they will of course make mistakes as they as they

699
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Speaker 2: learn and develop. How difficult is it for them? Because

700
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Speaker 2: I guess somebody on the sideline things, well, there are referee,

701
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Speaker 2: they're fair game. How challenging a situation is that?

702
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Speaker 16: Yeah, Look, it's it's pretty challenging. It's been challenging across

703
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Speaker 16: the course of time, you know, getting out for your

704
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Speaker 16: first game, or you're into your your first season. I

705
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Speaker 16: know some associations throughout New Zealand, you know, make their

706
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Speaker 16: first year referees. As an example, they'll wear a different

707
00:37:11,387 --> 00:37:15,587
Speaker 16: colored shirt to identify that they are learning and there

708
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Speaker 16: and for people to cut them a bit of slack.

709
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Speaker 16: But there's many support networks that are offered by referees

710
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Speaker 16: associations and and and rugby unions in terms of development

711
00:37:30,867 --> 00:37:33,747
Speaker 16: getting people ready to get out onto the field, you know,

712
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Speaker 16: starting with assistant refereeing before getting.

713
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Speaker 4: On the field with a whistle.

714
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Speaker 16: But the inevitability of it is that they will have

715
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Speaker 16: to do it at some stage, get out on their own,

716
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Speaker 16: potentially an environment where where they could be a loan

717
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Speaker 16: or or there might be a field at a school

718
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Speaker 16: for example, which you know there's only one rugby field,

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Speaker 16: so that there's there's less support to be had. And yeah,

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Speaker 16: I mean they've just got to cope with that the

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Speaker 16: best that they can and in line with how they've

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Speaker 16: been how they've been taught and any techniques they've been

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Speaker 16: taught to overcome that.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of the decision by the holophonom

725
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Speaker 2: A Carpity Union to call off an entire around this weekend?

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Speaker 16: I mean Look, that's that's the decision. I mean, if

727
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Speaker 16: if they felt that strongly about about the problem which

728
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Speaker 16: which faced that particular game, or or or well in

729
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Speaker 16: their own union, then I think that's that's their own decision.

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Speaker 16: You know, I can't comment for whether whether my union

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Speaker 16: or association would would look to do exactly the same.

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Speaker 16: But I think we've we've all nationwide I identified that

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Speaker 16: there is a problem and it seems to have come

734
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Speaker 16: to a head this week thanks to the actions that

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Speaker 16: the hoop A company have have taken. So I guess

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Speaker 16: it's a it's a good conversation that we're having.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, you reckon you've got a few years left yet

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Speaker 2: with a whistle.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we'll see how we go.

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Speaker 16: I know the body is getting a bit older, but

741
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Speaker 16: but no, look at Rugby's you know, for all the

742
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Speaker 16: negativity that's that's come of you refereeing and the abuse

743
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Speaker 16: spector this week, you know, there are a number of

744
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Speaker 16: really cool things about it. You get to meet some

745
00:39:30,467 --> 00:39:33,227
Speaker 16: great people, You get to be a part of rugby

746
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Speaker 16: union in New Zealand and in and around the world.

747
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Speaker 16: You know, we go on exchanges and you know, being

748
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Speaker 16: a referee is is is great fun and yeah, the

749
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Speaker 16: last twenty years have given me some fantastic opportunities which

750
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Speaker 16: I wouldn't have got otherwise.

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Speaker 2: Good man, Rob. I hope it continues in the same fashion.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time this afternoon, mate, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 16: Yes, Finney, thanks very much.

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Speaker 2: Now, thank you Rob. Rob Hammond there who referees Club

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Speaker 2: Rugby in Auckland just on eight away from one used

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Speaker 2: talk s B.

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Speaker 1: When it's downs on the line, you to call on

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Speaker 1: eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hine News Talks MV.

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Speaker 2: Five to one from Anton Tex. Back in twenty sixteen

760
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Speaker 2: and after amateur ref training at Eden Park, refered an

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Speaker 2: under ten's game at Grammar Junior's in Auckland. My son

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Speaker 2: was in one of the teams. It was against the

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Speaker 2: other Grammar under ten team. Otherwise, rational people on both

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Speaker 2: sides who I knew socially and professionally abused me. My

765
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Speaker 2: own team's parents were livered with the call I made

766
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Speaker 2: for the other team on a match winning try. I

767
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Speaker 2: blew the game early. I felt physically threatened by the

768
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Speaker 2: CEO of an international company. I told them they were

769
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Speaker 2: all a bunch of w anchors and never went back

770
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Speaker 2: I mean, what is wrong with people? People just lose

771
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Speaker 2: their marbles, don't They On the sidelines often of kids

772
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Speaker 2: sport and I've seen this as well. I used to

773
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Speaker 2: referee my son's football games when he was under ten.

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Speaker 2: People just lose their marbles. They lose all sense of reality.

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Speaker 2: I mean, FIFA are not waiting for the score. It's

776
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Speaker 2: a kids game and actually that should matter. It's a

777
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Speaker 2: school game, any grassroots game. People just lose their minds.

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Speaker 2: We might kick on with us after one o'clock, but

779
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Speaker 2: also I want to talk to you about the change

780
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Speaker 2: in legislation around sports betting. As of right now you

781
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Speaker 2: can only bet in New Zealand using the tab.

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Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

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Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

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Speaker 1: News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It be Hello there, one o seven, Welcome into the show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. If you've been with us before,

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Speaker 2: now good to have you with us this hour. Across

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Speaker 2: to Australia, Adam Peacock want to talk sports betting and

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Speaker 2: major changes to legislation which will affect us here in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand shortly just a reminder that twenty four hours

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Speaker 2: from now, Rais is going to be with us All

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Speaker 2: Blacks head coach Scott Robertson in studio tomorrow between one

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Speaker 2: and two. I got a whole bunch of questions to

795
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Speaker 2: ask him, but I'd actually prefer to hear your questions.

796
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Speaker 2: What is it you want to know from Scott Robertson

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Speaker 2: ahead of the new All Black season. He'll talk about

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Speaker 2: team selections, he'll talk about tactics, he'll talk about whatever

799
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Speaker 2: you like. Really is that kind of guy? So Scott

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Speaker 2: Robertson Razor with us tomorrow between one and two, and

801
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Speaker 2: the Test season is almost upon us. Dunedin, get first

802
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Speaker 2: crack next Saturday. It's next Saturday, isn't it? Test is

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Speaker 2: next Saturday? Goodness me, that's rushed up?

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Speaker 17: What is it?

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Speaker 2: Really? Has it? Super Rugby Final? Last weekend I was

806
00:42:46,427 --> 00:42:48,587
Speaker 2: sort of kicking around yesterday's Hey, what are we going

807
00:42:48,627 --> 00:42:52,227
Speaker 2: to talk about? So Test one of the year is

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Speaker 2: in Duneda next weekend. We're making the most of it.

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Speaker 2: Next Saturday we'll bring you the show. And I think

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Speaker 2: I've got this right. I hope I have Live from

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Speaker 2: Emerson's Brewery. Oh how good. Emerson's Brewery, the iconic Emerson's

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Speaker 2: in Dunedin. That's where we will bring Weekend Sport to

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Speaker 2: you from between midday and three. If you're in Dunedan,

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Speaker 2: we'd love you to join us for some great banter

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Speaker 2: and pregame build up Weekend Sport live from Emerson's Brewery

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Speaker 2: next Saturday from midday here on News Talk z B. Now,

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Speaker 2: I didn't give you the text mechanic if we can

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Speaker 2: call it that to win tickets to watch the Wellington

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Speaker 2: Phoenix take on Wrexham AFC. Now, this is next month

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Speaker 2: at sky Stadium. It's on Saturday, July nineteen. If you're

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Speaker 2: going to be in the Capitol or can get there,

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Speaker 2: all you have to do to want a double pass,

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Speaker 2: we've got three of them, is text the word win

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Speaker 2: and your name to nine two nine two. Easy as

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Speaker 2: that win leave us bace your name to nine two

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Speaker 2: nine two. I've got three double tickets to give away

827
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Speaker 2: today to this game. We'll draw and announce the winners

828
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Speaker 2: for the end of the show. But if you'd like

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Speaker 2: to be at the Wellington Phoenix match against Wrexham fc

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Speaker 2: U nineteen sky Stadium win and your name to nine

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Speaker 2: two nine two three double tickets to give away. Before

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Speaker 2: we move on, I just want to mop up a

833
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Speaker 2: couple of texts from last hour, because people put a

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Speaker 2: lot of thought into their messages and I do want

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Speaker 2: to get a couple of them read out. Lyle says Jason.

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Speaker 2: It's always been the case that some fathers live vicariously

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Speaker 2: through their sons sporting careers, but high paying professional sport

838
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Speaker 2: now means their offspring is seen as potential meal tickets,

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Speaker 2: increasing the desire not to let anything including refs, get

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Speaker 2: in the way of that interesting thoughts.

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Speaker 17: Lyell.

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Speaker 2: Pauline says, I'm wondering if for how it affects the

843
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Speaker 2: kids of these people. I wonder if they ever think

844
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Speaker 2: about how their children feel about their behavior, and possibly

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Speaker 2: it's time to get the team together to censure the adult. Pauline,

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Speaker 2: You're so right. How embarrassing, How embarrassing if you're playing

847
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Speaker 2: sport as a kid, or even as a teenager and

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Speaker 2: you look over in your see your mum or your

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Speaker 2: dad acting like a pork chop on the sideline, How embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: No wonder kids give up sport, you know, and you

851
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Speaker 2: hear that a bit. I don't want to play anymore

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Speaker 2: because Dad embarrasses me on the sideline. Just be silent, Will,

853
00:45:22,107 --> 00:45:26,347
Speaker 2: says Kim Cotton. The cricket umpire told me there is

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Speaker 2: a difference between descent and disappointment. Descent is leaning towards abuse.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a good point. That is a

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Speaker 2: good point, Will, a difference between descent and disappointment. Carol

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Speaker 2: says Piny. I totally agree with what Hotfo a company

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Speaker 2: have done, even though as a nan of our twelve

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Speaker 2: year old grandson who plays for Papamu, I wasn't able

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Speaker 2: to cheer him on from the sideline this morning. I

861
00:45:49,147 --> 00:45:51,347
Speaker 2: agree with the decision and I'll be there when he

862
00:45:51,427 --> 00:45:53,427
Speaker 2: is on the rugby field next. Good on your Carol,

863
00:45:53,907 --> 00:45:58,387
Speaker 2: and Joe, says Jason. Iampied midweek social netball games, but

864
00:45:58,507 --> 00:46:01,187
Speaker 2: really competitive all the same. If there was abuse from

865
00:46:01,187 --> 00:46:03,667
Speaker 2: the sidelines, that was more than the occasional a burst,

866
00:46:03,827 --> 00:46:05,507
Speaker 2: whether to me or aplay it, I stopped the game

867
00:46:05,547 --> 00:46:07,827
Speaker 2: until it stopped. I only had to do it once.

868
00:46:08,907 --> 00:46:10,947
Speaker 2: Well done, Joe, and good on you for picking up

869
00:46:10,947 --> 00:46:15,627
Speaker 2: a whistle as well and refereeing at that level. It's

870
00:46:15,627 --> 00:46:19,627
Speaker 2: twelve minutes past one, New Zealand punters will no longer

871
00:46:19,667 --> 00:46:23,507
Speaker 2: be able to bet with overseas bookmakers under new laws

872
00:46:23,867 --> 00:46:27,227
Speaker 2: that have come into effect today. On Wednesday afternoon, the

873
00:46:27,307 --> 00:46:32,307
Speaker 2: Racing Industry Amendment Bill unanimously passed its third reading in Parliament.

874
00:46:32,307 --> 00:46:35,507
Speaker 2: It's been signed into law and is in effect as

875
00:46:35,627 --> 00:46:38,347
Speaker 2: of right now. The bill makes changes to New Zealand

876
00:46:38,427 --> 00:46:42,707
Speaker 2: betting laws to create a legislative net. It makes it

877
00:46:42,787 --> 00:46:47,947
Speaker 2: illegal for overseas betting operators to accept online bets on

878
00:46:48,027 --> 00:46:51,547
Speaker 2: sport and racing from anybody living in New Zealand now

879
00:46:51,627 --> 00:46:55,107
Speaker 2: until now, it's estimated that one hundred and eighty to

880
00:46:55,227 --> 00:47:01,747
Speaker 2: two hundred million dollars each year is bet offshore by KIWIS.

881
00:47:02,267 --> 00:47:04,427
Speaker 2: Up to seventy percent of that is with UK agency

882
00:47:04,867 --> 00:47:08,107
Speaker 2: Bet three sixty five. The proceeds of money bet with

883
00:47:08,187 --> 00:47:12,067
Speaker 2: offshore operators doesn't flow through to our racing industry or

884
00:47:12,667 --> 00:47:15,387
Speaker 2: to the thirty eight national sporting organizations on which sports

885
00:47:15,427 --> 00:47:18,187
Speaker 2: betting occurs here in New Zealand. The passing of this

886
00:47:18,227 --> 00:47:21,227
Speaker 2: bell also means an immediate one hundred million dollar payout

887
00:47:21,467 --> 00:47:25,307
Speaker 2: from the TAB strategic partner in Tain Group. They oversee

888
00:47:25,347 --> 00:47:28,667
Speaker 2: the tab's betting wagering and broadcast operations. Of that one

889
00:47:28,707 --> 00:47:31,707
Speaker 2: hundred million, eighty million will go straight to racing and

890
00:47:31,747 --> 00:47:34,427
Speaker 2: twenty million to sport New Zealand. They're going to divvy

891
00:47:34,427 --> 00:47:39,147
Speaker 2: it up among the national sporting organizations as they see fit.

892
00:47:40,347 --> 00:47:43,747
Speaker 2: Nick Roberts is the CEO of the New Zealand TAB.

893
00:47:44,347 --> 00:47:46,307
Speaker 2: He joins us now, Nick, thanks for taking the time.

894
00:47:46,347 --> 00:47:48,627
Speaker 2: How significant are development is this?

895
00:47:50,267 --> 00:47:54,507
Speaker 17: Yeah, good afternoon. Look, it's an amazing outcome for New Zealand.

896
00:47:55,107 --> 00:47:55,507
Speaker 18: This is.

897
00:47:57,067 --> 00:48:00,427
Speaker 17: A reset of the intention of the TV created in

898
00:48:00,507 --> 00:48:03,707
Speaker 17: nineteen fifty who were coming up seventy five years and

899
00:48:03,747 --> 00:48:05,987
Speaker 17: we had Sport's been to joined us in the ninety

900
00:48:06,027 --> 00:48:10,587
Speaker 17: ninety and the funding that the community through racing and

901
00:48:10,627 --> 00:48:13,667
Speaker 17: through sport has relied on was not a serious threat.

902
00:48:13,667 --> 00:48:16,587
Speaker 17: As you say, with that two hundred million dollar being

903
00:48:16,627 --> 00:48:19,427
Speaker 17: lost out of the regulated environment about a third of

904
00:48:19,427 --> 00:48:19,947
Speaker 17: our market.

905
00:48:20,347 --> 00:48:23,107
Speaker 2: How important to the racing industry and to our national

906
00:48:23,107 --> 00:48:26,547
Speaker 2: sporting bodies is the money they receive from betting through

907
00:48:26,587 --> 00:48:27,067
Speaker 2: the TAB?

908
00:48:28,307 --> 00:48:31,267
Speaker 17: Yeah? Well, look we are a funder for the racing industry.

909
00:48:31,747 --> 00:48:34,787
Speaker 17: It's an industry which adds about two billion dollars to

910
00:48:34,827 --> 00:48:38,067
Speaker 17: the economy every year, jobs about thirteen and a half

911
00:48:38,107 --> 00:48:39,907
Speaker 17: thousand and as you and your list as will know

912
00:48:39,987 --> 00:48:42,347
Speaker 17: a lot of that in regional New Zealand. So really

913
00:48:42,347 --> 00:48:46,347
Speaker 17: critical for the racing industry to ensure that funding is

914
00:48:46,427 --> 00:48:49,787
Speaker 17: sustainable for the long run and for sports. I think

915
00:48:50,747 --> 00:48:54,507
Speaker 17: it's become more and more important for them as other

916
00:48:54,787 --> 00:48:57,987
Speaker 17: situations have tightened their funding. So we're really excited to

917
00:48:58,547 --> 00:49:02,747
Speaker 17: be able to continue the funding of sport in particular,

918
00:49:02,867 --> 00:49:07,507
Speaker 17: I think in terms of the the challenges that they

919
00:49:07,587 --> 00:49:10,067
Speaker 17: have and being able to give twenty million dollars to

920
00:49:10,067 --> 00:49:13,467
Speaker 17: sport in New Zealand upfront is a really great opportunity there.

921
00:49:13,827 --> 00:49:16,227
Speaker 2: So just clarify for us next. So when money is

922
00:49:16,267 --> 00:49:19,987
Speaker 2: bet on a sport in New Zealand, regardless of whether

923
00:49:20,067 --> 00:49:22,867
Speaker 2: it's a New Zealand sport, unless use basketball as an example,

924
00:49:22,987 --> 00:49:26,267
Speaker 2: if somebody bets on the NBA, then Basketball New Zealand

925
00:49:26,427 --> 00:49:27,947
Speaker 2: benefit from that, Is that right?

926
00:49:28,947 --> 00:49:29,307
Speaker 17: That's right?

927
00:49:29,387 --> 00:49:29,587
Speaker 7: Yeah.

928
00:49:29,627 --> 00:49:33,747
Speaker 17: So the sport's funding model is a commission structure, so

929
00:49:33,787 --> 00:49:37,507
Speaker 17: they get commissions are paid on turnover and gross profit.

930
00:49:37,667 --> 00:49:40,987
Speaker 17: So yeah, every bet sort of as contributing back to

931
00:49:40,987 --> 00:49:43,227
Speaker 17: the local sport that sport is.

932
00:49:43,827 --> 00:49:46,747
Speaker 2: Would you expect or estimate that the close to two

933
00:49:46,867 --> 00:49:51,107
Speaker 2: hundred million bet offshore each year up to now will

934
00:49:51,667 --> 00:49:54,387
Speaker 2: largely transfer to betting on the tab.

935
00:49:55,667 --> 00:49:57,227
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean look at that. That is the turtal

936
00:49:57,267 --> 00:50:01,587
Speaker 17: million dollar question. I think the situation there is going

937
00:50:01,627 --> 00:50:03,667
Speaker 17: to be one that unfolds that we do think that

938
00:50:03,787 --> 00:50:06,747
Speaker 17: a large part of that market will be recaptured, and

939
00:50:06,787 --> 00:50:09,667
Speaker 17: I think, you know what shouldn't be lost along this

940
00:50:09,787 --> 00:50:15,307
Speaker 17: journey is that the harmonimization outcome for customers is really important.

941
00:50:15,347 --> 00:50:19,307
Speaker 17: It is a big priority of our business and like

942
00:50:19,547 --> 00:50:21,547
Speaker 17: capturing as much as we can at that market, we

943
00:50:21,587 --> 00:50:24,387
Speaker 17: are ensuring that the key for betting in the safest

944
00:50:24,467 --> 00:50:26,987
Speaker 17: environment possible. And I think when you look at all

945
00:50:26,987 --> 00:50:30,827
Speaker 17: the options available for gaming regulation, I think we've struck

946
00:50:30,827 --> 00:50:33,347
Speaker 17: a pretty good balance here and that probably goes to

947
00:50:33,387 --> 00:50:36,587
Speaker 17: your point about the Parliament voting for this unanimously. The

948
00:50:36,867 --> 00:50:38,307
Speaker 17: signals that we've got, that's pretty right.

949
00:50:38,987 --> 00:50:42,667
Speaker 2: What do those harm minimization protections include?

950
00:50:43,747 --> 00:50:46,827
Speaker 17: Yeah, So I think one of the important things when

951
00:50:46,867 --> 00:50:51,347
Speaker 17: we look to partner with an offshore operator, which we

952
00:50:51,427 --> 00:50:55,987
Speaker 17: did with NTAIN, is to leverage their scale and when

953
00:50:55,987 --> 00:50:59,507
Speaker 17: we replatform the TV business from our old site to

954
00:51:00,027 --> 00:51:08,507
Speaker 17: their technology. The investment in technology took harmonimization fought a

955
00:51:08,547 --> 00:51:12,547
Speaker 17: long way overnight. There's a lot of deep investment into

956
00:51:12,587 --> 00:51:16,227
Speaker 17: both tools for customers to manage manage their vetting and

957
00:51:16,387 --> 00:51:19,867
Speaker 17: also the monitoring system. And that is just natural benefits

958
00:51:19,867 --> 00:51:24,507
Speaker 17: of a single operator market. So being able to know

959
00:51:24,547 --> 00:51:26,987
Speaker 17: that when a customer has a problem and you stop

960
00:51:27,027 --> 00:51:28,427
Speaker 17: them betting, that they don't just go off down the

961
00:51:28,427 --> 00:51:31,387
Speaker 17: street to another operator. You know, it's a really important

962
00:51:31,387 --> 00:51:31,707
Speaker 17: part of that.

963
00:51:32,427 --> 00:51:35,427
Speaker 2: Why do New Zealanders bet using overseas providers?

964
00:51:36,507 --> 00:51:39,707
Speaker 17: Oh, look, I think there's a bunch of reasons for that.

965
00:51:39,827 --> 00:51:43,427
Speaker 17: I think the historical TV had a few challenges on

966
00:51:43,467 --> 00:51:47,347
Speaker 17: the brand. So going forward, you know, as next Tuesday,

967
00:51:47,547 --> 00:51:49,667
Speaker 17: people will only be able to bet with tav and

968
00:51:49,707 --> 00:51:52,987
Speaker 17: the new online only brand Betcher. And I think so

969
00:51:53,067 --> 00:51:55,867
Speaker 17: there was probably a branding issure that people, you know,

970
00:51:55,947 --> 00:51:58,067
Speaker 17: as time's gone on, people didn't want to bet with

971
00:51:58,107 --> 00:52:00,227
Speaker 17: their dance brand. They wanted to have something that was

972
00:52:00,267 --> 00:52:04,267
Speaker 17: their own, and we think bet Betcher offers that fresh approach.

973
00:52:04,307 --> 00:52:09,467
Speaker 17: And I think also people probably got frustrated by the experience, right,

974
00:52:09,507 --> 00:52:12,547
Speaker 17: I mean, as we've talked about, you know, we've got

975
00:52:12,827 --> 00:52:15,587
Speaker 17: a big funding obligation to the back to the community,

976
00:52:15,827 --> 00:52:17,867
Speaker 17: which made it hard for us to invest in the

977
00:52:17,907 --> 00:52:21,867
Speaker 17: technology platforms in the past, but going we're really what

978
00:52:22,547 --> 00:52:25,107
Speaker 17: we've managed to achieve over the last couple of years

979
00:52:25,147 --> 00:52:27,907
Speaker 17: is basically that we'll have keyweeds well get a world

980
00:52:27,907 --> 00:52:30,667
Speaker 17: class experience through Intain. They will be end the safest

981
00:52:30,707 --> 00:52:33,107
Speaker 17: es are impossible and we're going to maximize our outcomes

982
00:52:33,107 --> 00:52:35,307
Speaker 17: for our country. You know, what is the greatest country

983
00:52:35,307 --> 00:52:37,707
Speaker 17: in the world, and we think this is probably the

984
00:52:38,827 --> 00:52:40,547
Speaker 17: leading gaming regulation in the world.

985
00:52:40,907 --> 00:52:44,587
Speaker 2: Other countries, of course have similar legislation Australia does. The

986
00:52:44,627 --> 00:52:47,387
Speaker 2: difference there are course is panthers have a variety of

987
00:52:47,427 --> 00:52:50,667
Speaker 2: domestic betting options available to them. The ta B will

988
00:52:50,667 --> 00:52:54,507
Speaker 2: now have a monopoly on sports and racing betting here

989
00:52:54,547 --> 00:52:58,427
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. So won't this mean decreased odds with

990
00:52:58,507 --> 00:52:59,667
Speaker 2: no outside competition.

991
00:53:01,067 --> 00:53:05,427
Speaker 17: Absolutely not so Intaine. People may have seen their press

992
00:53:05,507 --> 00:53:08,147
Speaker 17: release and you know there's been undertaking to us as

993
00:53:08,187 --> 00:53:10,027
Speaker 17: well that they'll offer the same odds that they offer

994
00:53:10,067 --> 00:53:14,187
Speaker 17: in the Australian market. So the Australian wageram market for

995
00:53:14,267 --> 00:53:16,547
Speaker 17: people that don't know, is the most competitive in the world.

996
00:53:17,107 --> 00:53:20,547
Speaker 17: And what that means is that customers, you know, have

997
00:53:20,747 --> 00:53:23,507
Speaker 17: that benefit of the pricing that occurs in that market,

998
00:53:23,627 --> 00:53:26,907
Speaker 17: as well as the platform and technology development that goes

999
00:53:26,907 --> 00:53:27,147
Speaker 17: with it.

1000
00:53:27,387 --> 00:53:29,427
Speaker 2: Because I guess people hear the word monopoly, don't name Nick,

1001
00:53:29,427 --> 00:53:32,667
Speaker 2: and they think I gain no competition, These logs can

1002
00:53:32,667 --> 00:53:34,987
Speaker 2: do what they like. What would you say to that

1003
00:53:34,987 --> 00:53:35,747
Speaker 2: sort of comment.

1004
00:53:36,787 --> 00:53:39,667
Speaker 17: Yeah, look, I think you know, historically that would have

1005
00:53:39,827 --> 00:53:43,227
Speaker 17: perhaps been where the business went. But I think, as

1006
00:53:43,227 --> 00:53:45,387
Speaker 17: I say, we've struck a really great deal with NTAIN

1007
00:53:45,587 --> 00:53:50,547
Speaker 17: at the setting that we have really important to get

1008
00:53:50,587 --> 00:53:53,587
Speaker 17: those harmonimization measers right, to make sure that we're not

1009
00:53:54,747 --> 00:53:58,307
Speaker 17: removing vital funding to the good of the country, and

1010
00:53:58,347 --> 00:54:01,787
Speaker 17: all those things that they say, you know, were balanced

1011
00:54:02,147 --> 00:54:04,987
Speaker 17: by lawmakers through the last six months.

1012
00:54:05,307 --> 00:54:09,187
Speaker 2: One of the other concerns seen expressed is that it

1013
00:54:09,227 --> 00:54:12,587
Speaker 2: could potentially be restrictive on how much somebody can bet,

1014
00:54:12,627 --> 00:54:15,467
Speaker 2: how much somebody can win, particularly if they're successful over

1015
00:54:15,507 --> 00:54:18,747
Speaker 2: a long period of time. What's the response to that

1016
00:54:18,787 --> 00:54:19,747
Speaker 2: sort of concern.

1017
00:54:20,667 --> 00:54:23,227
Speaker 17: Yeah, Look, I think that's going to be an evolving

1018
00:54:23,467 --> 00:54:25,987
Speaker 17: piece for us to keep making sure that customers are

1019
00:54:26,027 --> 00:54:28,867
Speaker 17: getting a fago that it is vital that that happens.

1020
00:54:29,227 --> 00:54:31,627
Speaker 17: There is, as I say, a commercial imperative that the

1021
00:54:31,707 --> 00:54:35,147
Speaker 17: business has to face into because of our funding requirements

1022
00:54:35,147 --> 00:54:38,427
Speaker 17: for the community. But we expect people to be able

1023
00:54:38,467 --> 00:54:40,947
Speaker 17: to have a decent bet on a New Zealand race.

1024
00:54:41,747 --> 00:54:45,387
Speaker 17: We expect certain sports to be engaged with the all

1025
00:54:45,387 --> 00:54:48,867
Speaker 17: Blacks matches and that sort of thing, to have that activity.

1026
00:54:48,907 --> 00:54:54,507
Speaker 17: But let's not also forget that betting is a discretionary activity.

1027
00:54:55,387 --> 00:54:58,667
Speaker 2: The legislation doesn't GEO block New Zealanders from offshore betting sites,

1028
00:54:58,747 --> 00:55:00,627
Speaker 2: does it. You can still get on them, but it

1029
00:55:00,707 --> 00:55:04,347
Speaker 2: does make it illegal for those operators to accept a

1030
00:55:04,427 --> 00:55:07,667
Speaker 2: bet from somebody who lives in New zeal So how

1031
00:55:07,707 --> 00:55:09,027
Speaker 2: confident are you that they'll do that?

1032
00:55:10,547 --> 00:55:13,907
Speaker 17: Really confident? So I think the important thing to know

1033
00:55:13,987 --> 00:55:16,467
Speaker 17: there is that you know the way the bidding market

1034
00:55:16,547 --> 00:55:19,227
Speaker 17: sort of exists globally, and we've got a really good

1035
00:55:19,347 --> 00:55:22,467
Speaker 17: understanding of what that term of a million dollar market

1036
00:55:22,467 --> 00:55:28,747
Speaker 17: looks like. Is that the operators are subjects to strict

1037
00:55:28,747 --> 00:55:31,707
Speaker 17: regulation around where they do operate, so you know, they

1038
00:55:31,707 --> 00:55:34,827
Speaker 17: don't want to block their copybook by going against the

1039
00:55:35,427 --> 00:55:39,307
Speaker 17: Act of the New Zealand Parliament, and you know where

1040
00:55:39,347 --> 00:55:41,267
Speaker 17: we'll be working with the DEA to make sure that

1041
00:55:41,467 --> 00:55:43,307
Speaker 17: it's enforced appropriately.

1042
00:55:43,747 --> 00:55:45,787
Speaker 2: All right. And obviously you've known about this for a while.

1043
00:55:45,827 --> 00:55:48,947
Speaker 2: It's been through been through three readings. Now as I say,

1044
00:55:48,987 --> 00:55:51,427
Speaker 2: passed during the week. What's the reaction been to it?

1045
00:55:51,467 --> 00:55:54,627
Speaker 2: As it's been going through the legis lot of process

1046
00:55:54,667 --> 00:55:57,267
Speaker 2: and now that it has passed, what sort of reaction

1047
00:55:57,347 --> 00:55:58,907
Speaker 2: have you had in the past few days.

1048
00:55:59,547 --> 00:55:59,787
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1049
00:55:59,827 --> 00:56:03,187
Speaker 17: Look, I think everyone's pretty excited. You know about the

1050
00:56:03,227 --> 00:56:05,987
Speaker 17: opportunity that it does bring for New Zealand and I

1051
00:56:06,027 --> 00:56:09,147
Speaker 17: think one of the as I say, the important things

1052
00:56:09,187 --> 00:56:12,547
Speaker 17: for us was that getting that unanimous support across the

1053
00:56:12,587 --> 00:56:16,587
Speaker 17: Parliament means that this is something that will sustain for

1054
00:56:16,627 --> 00:56:19,787
Speaker 17: a long time. And I think the sustainability of these

1055
00:56:19,787 --> 00:56:21,507
Speaker 17: settings is really important to.

1056
00:56:21,507 --> 00:56:24,147
Speaker 2: Us significant development. Thanks so much for joining us to

1057
00:56:24,507 --> 00:56:26,107
Speaker 2: fill us in. Nick, really appreciate your time.

1058
00:56:26,827 --> 00:56:27,507
Speaker 4: Thanks very much.

1059
00:56:27,547 --> 00:56:31,147
Speaker 2: That's Nick Roberts, CEO of TAB New Zealand with us

1060
00:56:31,187 --> 00:56:34,627
Speaker 2: on Weekend Sport one twenty two. I'm keen for some

1061
00:56:34,667 --> 00:56:37,827
Speaker 2: feedback on a couple of things here from you. One

1062
00:56:37,907 --> 00:56:43,067
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty to two hundred million bet by Kiwi's

1063
00:56:43,187 --> 00:56:48,107
Speaker 2: every year offshore. That is a massive amount of money

1064
00:56:49,227 --> 00:56:53,387
Speaker 2: one eighty to two hundred million. If you have a

1065
00:56:53,427 --> 00:56:58,707
Speaker 2: punt and if you've done it using an offshore provider

1066
00:56:58,867 --> 00:57:01,907
Speaker 2: Bet three sixty five or any other overseas operator. If

1067
00:57:01,947 --> 00:57:07,667
Speaker 2: you have, have you have sports bet using somebody other

1068
00:57:07,707 --> 00:57:12,307
Speaker 2: than the tab. I'm keen to know why, very keen

1069
00:57:12,307 --> 00:57:16,227
Speaker 2: to know why. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty Do

1070
00:57:16,267 --> 00:57:18,827
Speaker 2: you get better odds? Because I asked Nick that and

1071
00:57:18,867 --> 00:57:22,227
Speaker 2: he said no, no, we're going to match the Australian ones

1072
00:57:22,867 --> 00:57:26,747
Speaker 2: and they're the most competitive in the world. But did

1073
00:57:26,827 --> 00:57:28,507
Speaker 2: you find that you've got better odds? Did you get

1074
00:57:28,507 --> 00:57:32,787
Speaker 2: a wider range of options or is it just a

1075
00:57:32,787 --> 00:57:37,667
Speaker 2: better user experience? Because that's not a small number, and

1076
00:57:37,707 --> 00:57:39,987
Speaker 2: you can see why the tab are delighted they're going

1077
00:57:40,067 --> 00:57:42,547
Speaker 2: to get well, I presume they think they'll get the

1078
00:57:42,667 --> 00:57:44,827
Speaker 2: vast majority of that. If that money is still going

1079
00:57:44,867 --> 00:57:47,707
Speaker 2: to be bet and Keywis can only use the tab,

1080
00:57:47,827 --> 00:57:50,227
Speaker 2: then it's going to go to them, isn't it. I

1081
00:57:50,307 --> 00:57:53,307
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty just keen to know why

1082
00:57:54,187 --> 00:57:57,667
Speaker 2: you have used an overseas operator up until now for

1083
00:57:57,707 --> 00:58:00,987
Speaker 2: your sports betting rather than the tab. And Nick Roberts

1084
00:58:01,027 --> 00:58:02,667
Speaker 2: was he was very open. He said, look, it used

1085
00:58:02,667 --> 00:58:05,267
Speaker 2: to be a terrible experience used to go onto the

1086
00:58:05,307 --> 00:58:07,587
Speaker 2: app or onto the website and it was just awful.

1087
00:58:08,707 --> 00:58:11,667
Speaker 2: You know, you couldn't navigate it very well. There weren't

1088
00:58:11,707 --> 00:58:17,227
Speaker 2: really the options that were available elsewhere. Keen to know

1089
00:58:17,667 --> 00:58:21,347
Speaker 2: from you, because we've heard from Nick Roberts and he's

1090
00:58:21,467 --> 00:58:23,547
Speaker 2: given the TAB side. I'm keen to hear from you,

1091
00:58:23,667 --> 00:58:26,427
Speaker 2: as just a just a sports punter, what it is

1092
00:58:26,467 --> 00:58:30,667
Speaker 2: about the overseas operators that you know you preferred. You

1093
00:58:30,707 --> 00:58:35,747
Speaker 2: can't now, You can't now, but why did you up

1094
00:58:35,747 --> 00:58:39,027
Speaker 2: till now? Hello brent O mate.

1095
00:58:39,587 --> 00:58:42,267
Speaker 13: Ye know, I'm a bit of a punter. I've not

1096
00:58:42,707 --> 00:58:45,627
Speaker 13: stick between bit three six five and the tab depending

1097
00:58:45,667 --> 00:58:47,387
Speaker 13: on the odds that the majority of my bets are on.

1098
00:58:48,067 --> 00:58:50,067
Speaker 13: I'm afraid to say Bet three six five because the

1099
00:58:50,147 --> 00:58:52,947
Speaker 13: value they offer is way better than the tab and

1100
00:58:53,067 --> 00:58:54,827
Speaker 13: it's even way better than what they're going to offer

1101
00:58:54,827 --> 00:58:57,147
Speaker 13: in Australia. But obviously we're going to get it's going

1102
00:58:57,187 --> 00:59:00,147
Speaker 13: to be coming to an end. It's also there's so

1103
00:59:00,227 --> 00:59:03,227
Speaker 13: many more markets available. I'm mainly the sports dealing with

1104
00:59:03,307 --> 00:59:06,347
Speaker 13: rugby sometimes league, and it's just so many more markets

1105
00:59:06,507 --> 00:59:10,107
Speaker 13: to the first half markets, ten minute markets just so

1106
00:59:10,267 --> 00:59:13,387
Speaker 13: much more available. It's just and it's anyway, the betting

1107
00:59:13,427 --> 00:59:16,867
Speaker 13: game knows that's fact. And it's a lot of Lipsiver,

1108
00:59:16,987 --> 00:59:18,347
Speaker 13: I'm here arount the moment to be honest.

1109
00:59:19,187 --> 00:59:21,787
Speaker 2: Just when you say you you so you get better odds,

1110
00:59:21,947 --> 00:59:23,547
Speaker 2: so head to head ons or whatever you bet on.

1111
00:59:23,667 --> 00:59:25,827
Speaker 2: So yeah, like what do we talk? Give us a

1112
00:59:25,867 --> 00:59:26,707
Speaker 2: give us an example?

1113
00:59:28,187 --> 00:59:32,347
Speaker 13: Oh maybe like career. I think fruit of one of

1114
00:59:32,387 --> 00:59:36,107
Speaker 13: the Crusader games that you played twelve ninety twelve tab

1115
00:59:36,267 --> 00:59:39,107
Speaker 13: was off in about three thirty five, but like multis,

1116
00:59:39,107 --> 00:59:43,227
Speaker 13: for example, it was there's a blog online of the

1117
00:59:43,227 --> 00:59:45,147
Speaker 13: guy put an example of the same bet the ta

1118
00:59:45,267 --> 00:59:47,787
Speaker 13: B and bet three six five. It was about ten

1119
00:59:47,867 --> 00:59:52,547
Speaker 13: league multi but the difference was about ten dollars difference, right, incredible?

1120
00:59:52,587 --> 00:59:56,227
Speaker 13: I could we believe it? So, you know, it's that's

1121
00:59:56,227 --> 00:59:57,867
Speaker 13: why people do it. I mean, so we look and

1122
00:59:57,987 --> 00:59:59,867
Speaker 13: lit as you know, it's always about the money.

1123
01:00:00,027 --> 01:00:02,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brent, totally. But if I put a place that

1124
01:00:02,387 --> 01:00:04,147
Speaker 2: you're right, I mean, you're so right. If I want

1125
01:00:04,147 --> 01:00:06,547
Speaker 2: to place a place, a bed on on a and

1126
01:00:06,587 --> 01:00:08,467
Speaker 2: thing happening, and one place is going to pay me

1127
01:00:08,507 --> 01:00:10,307
Speaker 2: to ninety on that thing happening, though I was going

1128
01:00:10,307 --> 01:00:12,627
Speaker 2: to pay me two thirty five. Of course, I've got

1129
01:00:12,667 --> 01:00:13,787
Speaker 2: a bit on the one that that you know is

1130
01:00:13,827 --> 01:00:15,387
Speaker 2: going to pay me to ninety.

1131
01:00:15,907 --> 01:00:18,187
Speaker 13: It's a no brainer. And lead Books really aren't they

1132
01:00:18,227 --> 01:00:20,827
Speaker 13: offering the best gods of the scene of the markets.

1133
01:00:20,827 --> 01:00:23,027
Speaker 13: So not that he said that the most competitive in

1134
01:00:23,067 --> 01:00:25,547
Speaker 13: the will done and not three six five is the

1135
01:00:25,547 --> 01:00:28,747
Speaker 13: biggest bidding agency on the planet. It's where they offered.

1136
01:00:28,867 --> 01:00:31,267
Speaker 13: That's why they're busy, because they offered the odds and

1137
01:00:31,307 --> 01:00:33,787
Speaker 13: there's so many different markets and you can even propose

1138
01:00:33,827 --> 01:00:35,947
Speaker 13: to them to make a market for you. Not that

1139
01:00:36,027 --> 01:00:38,987
Speaker 13: I do that, but yeah, the value is gone. It's

1140
01:00:38,987 --> 01:00:41,387
Speaker 13: really disappointing. You know, I got them rid of this

1141
01:00:41,427 --> 01:00:43,987
Speaker 13: morning in the email week from then from three six

1142
01:00:44,027 --> 01:00:46,987
Speaker 13: fives saying it's over as of the studious of June.

1143
01:00:47,787 --> 01:00:51,107
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I got it. I got it too, brand

1144
01:00:51,267 --> 01:00:53,187
Speaker 2: I got it too. That's so yeah, I think we

1145
01:00:53,227 --> 01:00:53,707
Speaker 2: all got it.

1146
01:00:54,107 --> 01:00:59,067
Speaker 13: And uh yeah, yeah, they've got stuff because basically, even

1147
01:00:59,107 --> 01:01:01,507
Speaker 13: if he's the VPN online, there's no way they're going

1148
01:01:01,507 --> 01:01:03,067
Speaker 13: to deposit the money back into your account, the New

1149
01:01:03,107 --> 01:01:04,667
Speaker 13: zeal One account. There's just no way. You'd have to

1150
01:01:04,667 --> 01:01:07,347
Speaker 13: have it off. Sure, it just comes too hard for

1151
01:01:07,187 --> 01:01:10,307
Speaker 13: it for I'm not a professional better, I'm just good

1152
01:01:10,307 --> 01:01:13,027
Speaker 13: as a hobby teaps me interested in boring rugby sometimes

1153
01:01:13,027 --> 01:01:17,267
Speaker 13: if it is boring sometimes yep, yeah, but yeah nah

1154
01:01:18,307 --> 01:01:20,667
Speaker 13: good next point, may as I think the scoring us

1155
01:01:20,667 --> 01:01:21,307
Speaker 13: over to be here.

1156
01:01:21,787 --> 01:01:25,267
Speaker 2: Good perspective, Frent, thanks mate, appreciate it. Appreciate your call

1157
01:01:25,347 --> 01:01:27,147
Speaker 2: very much, and you're insight. I eight hundred and eighty

1158
01:01:27,187 --> 01:01:31,227
Speaker 2: ten eighty people use overseas betting because they get better rods.

1159
01:01:31,227 --> 01:01:34,827
Speaker 2: Simple as that better rods? Is this one oh eight

1160
01:01:34,947 --> 01:01:36,987
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty more calls to come? One

1161
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Speaker 2: twenty seven. We're back after this. On News Talks, Hebe.

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Speaker 1: Weekends for.

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Speaker 2: On news talks hereb this is we cand sport as

1183
01:02:53,787 --> 01:02:58,067
Speaker 2: we talk the removal of the ability to bet using

1184
01:02:58,107 --> 01:03:02,907
Speaker 2: overseas sites. George, thanks for holding make good afternoon, Good.

1185
01:03:02,787 --> 01:03:03,547
Speaker 5: Afternoon, pliney.

1186
01:03:04,427 --> 01:03:06,947
Speaker 7: Hey, it's obviously positive news is in it and I

1187
01:03:06,987 --> 01:03:12,347
Speaker 7: think as regards to the regards to the overseas platinms,

1188
01:03:12,387 --> 01:03:14,427
Speaker 7: I think it was a sheer amount of options and

1189
01:03:15,147 --> 01:03:18,267
Speaker 7: slightly better odds that was causing the transition over.

1190
01:03:18,747 --> 01:03:21,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can properly understand why George. I guess

1191
01:03:21,907 --> 01:03:23,627
Speaker 2: it's like if you if you're going out to buy

1192
01:03:23,907 --> 01:03:26,707
Speaker 2: you an appliance, you shop around, right, And I know

1193
01:03:26,787 --> 01:03:29,627
Speaker 2: it's it's a different sort of situation, But if you

1194
01:03:29,787 --> 01:03:32,667
Speaker 2: can get the same thing for a better price, then

1195
01:03:32,707 --> 01:03:34,987
Speaker 2: you'll go to that place. So I can kind of

1196
01:03:35,067 --> 01:03:40,227
Speaker 2: understand why betters did it. I'm not sure whether if

1197
01:03:40,267 --> 01:03:42,827
Speaker 2: you're a sport's better you thought to yourself, hey, this

1198
01:03:42,867 --> 01:03:47,267
Speaker 2: will go back into my local sporting organization. I'm not

1199
01:03:47,267 --> 01:03:49,787
Speaker 2: sure whether that was a more important thing to people

1200
01:03:49,827 --> 01:03:51,387
Speaker 2: than the fact that they would get a better return

1201
01:03:51,387 --> 01:03:52,387
Speaker 2: if their bet came off.

1202
01:03:53,507 --> 01:03:57,227
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And hey, it's in the in the

1203
01:03:57,307 --> 01:03:59,707
Speaker 7: detail of it, But I imagine a lot of that

1204
01:03:59,827 --> 01:04:02,027
Speaker 7: one hundred and eighty to two hundred million of the

1205
01:04:02,107 --> 01:04:06,067
Speaker 7: uncaptured markets reinvested winnings, if you know what I mean.

1206
01:04:06,107 --> 01:04:10,427
Speaker 7: So I don't necessarily think that's potentially money straight into

1207
01:04:10,467 --> 01:04:13,147
Speaker 7: the into the pockets of the TA B. It kind

1208
01:04:13,187 --> 01:04:15,707
Speaker 7: of would be if every single bet that was placed

1209
01:04:16,867 --> 01:04:19,987
Speaker 7: was unsuccessful. Obviously, you know, if you take a hundred

1210
01:04:19,987 --> 01:04:22,547
Speaker 7: dollar bet that you turn into two hundred dollars and

1211
01:04:22,587 --> 01:04:24,147
Speaker 7: then you you know, you then go and bet that

1212
01:04:24,147 --> 01:04:27,147
Speaker 7: two hundred dollars again, that's that's kind of three hundred

1213
01:04:27,187 --> 01:04:30,347
Speaker 7: dollars waged, if you know what I mean. So, I

1214
01:04:30,387 --> 01:04:32,627
Speaker 7: think when it falls down to it, it's it's going

1215
01:04:32,707 --> 01:04:34,987
Speaker 7: to be great for getting the money back on shore.

1216
01:04:35,067 --> 01:04:37,667
Speaker 7: But I don't think it's as if there's one hundred

1217
01:04:37,707 --> 01:04:40,227
Speaker 7: and eighty million of cold, hard cash that is parted

1218
01:04:40,267 --> 01:04:44,267
Speaker 7: with each each year. It's it's probably more reinvested winnings

1219
01:04:44,347 --> 01:04:46,667
Speaker 7: is a big part of that that that ultimately trickles down.

1220
01:04:46,787 --> 01:04:49,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting point, and I guess we'll find out,

1221
01:04:49,107 --> 01:04:51,307
Speaker 2: won't we When you know, a year from now, they're

1222
01:04:51,347 --> 01:04:55,307
Speaker 2: looking back at the increase in revenue, will it be

1223
01:04:55,627 --> 01:04:58,387
Speaker 2: an increase of that much or or or not. I

1224
01:04:58,387 --> 01:05:00,947
Speaker 2: guess that'll be the that'll be the proof of exactly

1225
01:05:00,987 --> 01:05:01,627
Speaker 2: what you've just said.

1226
01:05:03,427 --> 01:05:05,227
Speaker 7: Good on your mate, good stuff.

1227
01:05:04,987 --> 01:05:06,707
Speaker 2: Good to chat to you, George, all the bet mate.

1228
01:05:06,707 --> 01:05:09,907
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nineteen nine two's

1229
01:05:09,907 --> 01:05:13,187
Speaker 2: the text line lots on text hellow Trevor, Oh, how

1230
01:05:13,227 --> 01:05:16,267
Speaker 2: you made I'm great Trevor. Good to hear your voice, mate.

1231
01:05:16,467 --> 01:05:19,227
Speaker 9: God listen, I'm a beam, so I speak like just

1232
01:05:19,227 --> 01:05:21,387
Speaker 9: listening to that guy from the TV. What a lot

1233
01:05:21,427 --> 01:05:24,947
Speaker 9: of woke verbal diarrhea that guy spoke. I mean, I

1234
01:05:24,987 --> 01:05:27,907
Speaker 9: didn't notice he was happy to say, we're happy to

1235
01:05:27,907 --> 01:05:30,427
Speaker 9: give money back to sports. You an't any reason why

1236
01:05:30,467 --> 01:05:31,947
Speaker 9: they give money back to sport, don't you?

1237
01:05:32,467 --> 01:05:33,267
Speaker 6: Because they have to.

1238
01:05:33,707 --> 01:05:36,867
Speaker 9: I guarantee if there wasn't a law that they gave

1239
01:05:37,267 --> 01:05:39,267
Speaker 9: some of their winnings back to sport, they wouldn't do it.

1240
01:05:39,347 --> 01:05:41,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there was a law there, There was a law, Trevor,

1241
01:05:41,587 --> 01:05:41,987
Speaker 2: And they.

1242
01:05:41,827 --> 01:05:44,387
Speaker 9: Talked, yeah, yeah, yeah, then they do it. But would

1243
01:05:44,387 --> 01:05:45,747
Speaker 9: they do it if they didn't have to. I mean

1244
01:05:45,787 --> 01:05:49,867
Speaker 9: he's coming across as a very caring kind sort of person.

1245
01:05:49,907 --> 01:05:52,267
Speaker 9: That are I mean people have told to now there's

1246
01:05:52,547 --> 01:05:55,867
Speaker 9: there are their service and a big business is.

1247
01:05:55,787 --> 01:05:56,427
Speaker 5: Not up to it.

1248
01:05:56,787 --> 01:05:59,427
Speaker 9: And you know, pundin, I know they advertised it as

1249
01:05:59,427 --> 01:06:01,547
Speaker 9: a group of people sitting they're having a beer, laughing

1250
01:06:01,587 --> 01:06:04,147
Speaker 9: and joking. But where they get their big money from

1251
01:06:04,387 --> 01:06:08,947
Speaker 9: is from people. We're betting is a business. Business is

1252
01:06:09,547 --> 01:06:12,867
Speaker 9: a gambling is serious and you know, and these are

1253
01:06:12,907 --> 01:06:15,227
Speaker 9: the people that they're trying to get at. And I'll

1254
01:06:15,307 --> 01:06:17,707
Speaker 9: just say one other thing, so you know that these

1255
01:06:17,747 --> 01:06:21,267
Speaker 9: people that pass the law, they're thinking about New Zealand.

1256
01:06:21,427 --> 01:06:24,307
Speaker 9: So why don't they stop stuff coming from tim directly

1257
01:06:24,387 --> 01:06:28,347
Speaker 9: from Timu overseas and they can Timu content all this

1258
01:06:28,427 --> 01:06:30,827
Speaker 9: stuff to New Zealand but sell it through a shop,

1259
01:06:31,267 --> 01:06:34,307
Speaker 9: so people have to rent a store and employ staff

1260
01:06:34,547 --> 01:06:37,347
Speaker 9: and sell this stuff. I mean that's basically the same thing.

1261
01:06:37,627 --> 01:06:39,507
Speaker 16: Stop stop people from going.

1262
01:06:39,347 --> 01:06:40,427
Speaker 6: Overseas buying stuff.

1263
01:06:41,147 --> 01:06:43,467
Speaker 9: Let it come to New Zealand and the people in

1264
01:06:43,507 --> 01:06:46,387
Speaker 9: New Zealand can make money out of it and jobs

1265
01:06:46,387 --> 01:06:48,387
Speaker 9: out of it. What you know, what are these government

1266
01:06:48,467 --> 01:06:50,307
Speaker 9: people that park that law about gambling?

1267
01:06:50,507 --> 01:06:51,187
Speaker 12: What are they to it?

1268
01:06:51,307 --> 01:06:52,027
Speaker 9: Seem about that?

1269
01:06:52,787 --> 01:06:56,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, slightly different, but you know, I look understand that

1270
01:06:56,187 --> 01:06:59,307
Speaker 2: it's that. Yeah, that is a slightly different thing, as

1271
01:06:59,347 --> 01:07:02,307
Speaker 2: you know, but probably not the time to get into

1272
01:07:02,307 --> 01:07:03,947
Speaker 2: it now. But look, I take your point around the

1273
01:07:03,907 --> 01:07:06,227
Speaker 2: tab and we're getting a lot of feedback on text

1274
01:07:06,387 --> 01:07:09,387
Speaker 2: about it. You know, I think as soon as you

1275
01:07:09,427 --> 01:07:13,987
Speaker 2: say the word monopoly, then fear starts to rise of

1276
01:07:15,107 --> 01:07:19,547
Speaker 2: not having any competition, therefore not having to necessarily cared

1277
01:07:19,587 --> 01:07:22,947
Speaker 2: deeply about your customers. That is, you know, competition is

1278
01:07:22,987 --> 01:07:26,427
Speaker 2: always healthy in any industry. The bit about this that

1279
01:07:26,467 --> 01:07:29,747
Speaker 2: I am that I am big on and you're right, Trevor.

1280
01:07:29,747 --> 01:07:33,107
Speaker 2: They don't. They do it because they have to. But

1281
01:07:33,147 --> 01:07:35,787
Speaker 2: the fact remains, there is a law in place that

1282
01:07:36,747 --> 01:07:39,347
Speaker 2: if money is bet on a sport here in New Zealand,

1283
01:07:39,747 --> 01:07:44,427
Speaker 2: our national sporting body gets the benefit of that. So

1284
01:07:44,467 --> 01:07:46,987
Speaker 2: if there's a whole bunch of money bet on an NBA,

1285
01:07:48,187 --> 01:07:52,227
Speaker 2: New Zealand basketball get the benefit of that. And for

1286
01:07:52,347 --> 01:07:56,587
Speaker 2: a lot of these sporting organizations it is a significant amount.

1287
01:07:57,227 --> 01:08:00,827
Speaker 2: And it's not because you know, I mean, I don't

1288
01:08:00,827 --> 01:08:02,627
Speaker 2: think a lot of people are betting on our National

1289
01:08:02,667 --> 01:08:04,507
Speaker 2: Basketball League. I could be wrong, but I get the

1290
01:08:04,507 --> 01:08:08,867
Speaker 2: feeling that they're vast majority of money bet on basketball

1291
01:08:08,947 --> 01:08:14,427
Speaker 2: is on the NBA, and so for doing nothing other

1292
01:08:14,467 --> 01:08:17,267
Speaker 2: than existing basketball, New Zealand and get the benefit of that.

1293
01:08:17,347 --> 01:08:21,587
Speaker 2: And look, I think that's that's great, isn't it. That's great.

1294
01:08:22,187 --> 01:08:26,947
Speaker 2: The harmonimization one's interesting as well. You know, do all

1295
01:08:26,947 --> 01:08:31,267
Speaker 2: of I'm all all betting companies, I'm sure are you know?

1296
01:08:31,387 --> 01:08:35,547
Speaker 2: They they're it's incumbent upon them to offer harmonimization. And

1297
01:08:35,547 --> 01:08:38,227
Speaker 2: I'm talking about things like how you know you can,

1298
01:08:38,787 --> 01:08:41,667
Speaker 2: and they're often self policed to be fair, you know

1299
01:08:41,747 --> 01:08:44,347
Speaker 2: you can you can? I think in an app, and

1300
01:08:44,627 --> 01:08:46,427
Speaker 2: some of these betting apps you can say, look, don't

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01:08:46,507 --> 01:08:49,507
Speaker 2: let me bet on any day other than Saturday or

1302
01:08:49,547 --> 01:08:52,267
Speaker 2: something like that, or don't let me go over this limit,

1303
01:08:52,667 --> 01:08:54,147
Speaker 2: or don't let me do this. But those are just

1304
01:08:54,227 --> 01:08:56,747
Speaker 2: checks you put yourself, put in yourself. You can easily

1305
01:08:56,827 --> 01:09:02,307
Speaker 2: change them. But harmonimization, I think it's incumbent upon companies

1306
01:09:02,347 --> 01:09:06,907
Speaker 2: that exist through you know, through the business of gambling.

1307
01:09:06,907 --> 01:09:12,627
Speaker 2: They have to display harm minimization measures. And I would

1308
01:09:12,627 --> 01:09:18,587
Speaker 2: say that the tab probably have as good harmonimization measures

1309
01:09:18,587 --> 01:09:20,667
Speaker 2: as there are. I get the feeling that some of

1310
01:09:20,667 --> 01:09:25,067
Speaker 2: these others maybe don't have it quite so much. And

1311
01:09:25,147 --> 01:09:26,947
Speaker 2: numbers of eight hundred and eighty ten eighty are going

1312
01:09:26,987 --> 01:09:28,907
Speaker 2: to get to across the Tasman shortly with that in Peacock,

1313
01:09:28,907 --> 01:09:34,707
Speaker 2: but a couple more minutes to chat about this. This

1314
01:09:34,787 --> 01:09:39,467
Speaker 2: goes back to our previous hour in terms of sideline behavior.

1315
01:09:39,507 --> 01:09:42,387
Speaker 2: But this is a this is more of a positive

1316
01:09:42,507 --> 01:09:46,147
Speaker 2: side of it, Jason says Christy talking about embarrassing your

1317
01:09:46,227 --> 01:09:48,907
Speaker 2: kids just to make you, just to make you smile.

1318
01:09:49,907 --> 01:09:52,227
Speaker 2: In a football game between Kings and Saint Peter's, my

1319
01:09:52,307 --> 01:09:55,947
Speaker 2: son had a blinder, I yelled out, I gave birth

1320
01:09:55,987 --> 01:09:59,867
Speaker 2: to that child. My son was less than impressed. A

1321
01:09:59,987 --> 01:10:03,827
Speaker 2: Mumban insured love it, Christy. That's the kind of sideline encouragement.

1322
01:10:03,867 --> 01:10:05,747
Speaker 2: And I think we can all get behind twenty one

1323
01:10:05,787 --> 01:10:07,507
Speaker 2: away from so we'll take a great come back and

1324
01:10:07,507 --> 01:10:10,987
Speaker 2: get you across the Tasman Adam Peacock. After this, you

1325
01:10:11,267 --> 01:10:12,147
Speaker 2: be the TMO.

1326
01:10:12,187 --> 01:10:14,627
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1327
01:10:14,787 --> 01:10:19,467
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Pin and GJ. Guvnerholmes, new Zealand's

1328
01:10:19,467 --> 01:10:21,787
Speaker 1: most trusted home builder news Dogs they'd.

1329
01:10:21,547 --> 01:10:24,147
Speaker 2: Be eighteen to two from John Piney. It's one percent

1330
01:10:24,427 --> 01:10:27,787
Speaker 2: of turnover, three percent profit and entertainer's made a huge difference.

1331
01:10:27,827 --> 01:10:31,347
Speaker 2: Basketball receive approximately one million dollars a year. Yeah, mainly

1332
01:10:31,387 --> 01:10:34,987
Speaker 2: offshore leagues, but the TAB is the only betting agency

1333
01:10:35,027 --> 01:10:38,667
Speaker 2: playing its part. Offshore agencies do not. But should This

1334
01:10:38,787 --> 01:10:40,907
Speaker 2: law change will be huge for New Zealand sport. Yeah,

1335
01:10:40,907 --> 01:10:42,827
Speaker 2: Well they don't have to now, or don't have to.

1336
01:10:42,867 --> 01:10:47,867
Speaker 2: They can't. They can't because because we can't use them anymore. Yes,

1337
01:10:47,907 --> 01:10:49,547
Speaker 2: there are ways around it. If you want to find

1338
01:10:49,547 --> 01:10:51,907
Speaker 2: a way around it, I'm sure you can using a

1339
01:10:51,987 --> 01:10:55,107
Speaker 2: VPN or something similar to make them think that you're

1340
01:10:55,227 --> 01:10:58,547
Speaker 2: in another country, but then getting the money back into

1341
01:10:58,587 --> 01:11:00,547
Speaker 2: your New Zealand bank account. I guess you could just

1342
01:11:00,627 --> 01:11:02,587
Speaker 2: leave it in your betting account. Couldn't you just leave

1343
01:11:02,587 --> 01:11:06,987
Speaker 2: it sitting there? But yeah, interesting times ahead. Very interested

1344
01:11:06,987 --> 01:11:08,587
Speaker 2: to see how much of that offshore betting up to

1345
01:11:08,627 --> 01:11:13,507
Speaker 2: two hundred million actually transfers across. Don't forget. We've got

1346
01:11:13,507 --> 01:11:16,747
Speaker 2: tickets to give away this weekend to the Wellington Phoenix

1347
01:11:16,787 --> 01:11:19,827
Speaker 2: match against Wrexham AFC. This is coming up on the

1348
01:11:19,907 --> 01:11:22,867
Speaker 2: nineteenth of July. Got a double pass, in fact, three

1349
01:11:22,907 --> 01:11:25,747
Speaker 2: double passes to give away. All you have to do

1350
01:11:25,827 --> 01:11:28,667
Speaker 2: is text the word win and your name to nine two,

1351
01:11:28,787 --> 01:11:31,467
Speaker 2: nine to two, so whin. Don't put a full stop

1352
01:11:31,507 --> 01:11:34,627
Speaker 2: on it, don't put anything else, it's just win, then

1353
01:11:34,707 --> 01:11:36,787
Speaker 2: leave a space and then your name. It gets to

1354
01:11:36,867 --> 01:11:38,867
Speaker 2: us easier, they all get to us, but they just

1355
01:11:39,307 --> 01:11:40,467
Speaker 2: I'm not going to explain it to you, but it's

1356
01:11:40,507 --> 01:11:43,187
Speaker 2: a slightly different way. But if you text the word win,

1357
01:11:43,427 --> 01:11:45,187
Speaker 2: leave a space, then your name to nine two, nine

1358
01:11:45,227 --> 01:11:48,107
Speaker 2: to two, we've got three double passes for Wellington Phoenix

1359
01:11:48,147 --> 01:11:51,827
Speaker 2: REXAMFC AFC. Rather on July nineteen. We can't get you

1360
01:11:52,467 --> 01:11:55,547
Speaker 2: to Wellington. But if you're going to be in and

1361
01:11:55,587 --> 01:11:59,867
Speaker 2: around Wellington, then we've got double passes for you before

1362
01:11:59,867 --> 01:12:01,987
Speaker 2: we get to Australia. If you go to Australia, are

1363
01:12:02,027 --> 01:12:02,587
Speaker 2: you in Perth?

1364
01:12:02,667 --> 01:12:07,387
Speaker 19: Trev No, Adelaide Laid don't be wrong, No, I don't know.

1365
01:12:07,427 --> 01:12:09,387
Speaker 2: You take your time, You take your time.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I'll tell you. I was over in New Zealand

1367
01:12:13,347 --> 01:12:17,267
Speaker 19: a week while ago and the TV reckon. I can't

1368
01:12:17,307 --> 01:12:23,667
Speaker 19: take a bet for more than one thousand dollars or

1369
01:12:23,707 --> 01:12:27,467
Speaker 19: I can't collect more than a thousand unless I have

1370
01:12:27,507 --> 01:12:31,427
Speaker 19: an account. And I'll give you an example. In Australia,

1371
01:12:32,747 --> 01:12:36,907
Speaker 19: I can make up to nine thousand, nine hundred before

1372
01:12:36,947 --> 01:12:41,307
Speaker 19: I have to fill out any paperwork whatsoever. I can

1373
01:12:41,347 --> 01:12:46,747
Speaker 19: take a nine nine thousand, nine hundred dollar bet. How

1374
01:12:46,747 --> 01:12:49,267
Speaker 19: come New Zealand is lagging behind the eight ball?

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01:12:49,707 --> 01:12:51,787
Speaker 2: So, just so I understand this correctly, Trev. So if

1376
01:12:51,787 --> 01:12:53,667
Speaker 2: you walked into you don't have an account, So you

1377
01:12:53,707 --> 01:12:55,947
Speaker 2: walked into what a retail outlet and said, look, I

1378
01:12:55,947 --> 01:12:58,347
Speaker 2: want to put this money on and they wouldn't take

1379
01:12:58,467 --> 01:13:01,347
Speaker 2: They wouldn't take a certain or bet over a certain

1380
01:13:01,387 --> 01:13:04,027
Speaker 2: amount or something that could potentially win you over a

1381
01:13:04,027 --> 01:13:05,307
Speaker 2: certain amount. I wasn't aware of that.

1382
01:13:06,427 --> 01:13:15,707
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's right. And but look, the tab even in

1383
01:13:15,787 --> 01:13:22,147
Speaker 19: Australia have rigged the prices. Now any race, practically, even

1384
01:13:22,187 --> 01:13:27,547
Speaker 19: a big race, there's about nine horses paying about a

1385
01:13:27,627 --> 01:13:32,387
Speaker 19: dollar to two dollars less. It's got to the stage

1386
01:13:32,387 --> 01:13:35,147
Speaker 19: where it's rigged.

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01:13:36,467 --> 01:13:38,187
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure I get your point.

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01:13:39,667 --> 01:13:45,147
Speaker 19: Well, give you an idea. You've heard of a horse called, say,

1389
01:13:46,347 --> 01:13:50,187
Speaker 19: let's say gray Way. Yep, it's a well known horse

1390
01:13:50,187 --> 01:13:54,907
Speaker 19: in New Zealand one fifty four races. Now that would

1391
01:13:54,987 --> 01:13:59,267
Speaker 19: hold most of the money that horse and it would

1392
01:13:59,987 --> 01:14:03,667
Speaker 19: be paying say two dollars. Then the next horse up

1393
01:14:03,787 --> 01:14:05,787
Speaker 19: would be paying about sixty eight dollars.

1394
01:14:06,067 --> 01:14:06,307
Speaker 2: Yep.

1395
01:14:06,427 --> 01:14:11,947
Speaker 19: But over here you've got about eight horses paying from say,

1396
01:14:12,787 --> 01:14:17,547
Speaker 19: say five dollars to ten dollars. You know, do you

1397
01:14:17,627 --> 01:14:18,547
Speaker 19: understand what I'm saying?

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01:14:18,587 --> 01:14:20,387
Speaker 2: I do. So there's a clear favorite, and so the

1399
01:14:20,427 --> 01:14:22,067
Speaker 2: other one should the odds should be a lot better,

1400
01:14:22,107 --> 01:14:22,547
Speaker 2: but they're not.

1401
01:14:23,307 --> 01:14:29,387
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, because the tabs and Australia losing money, so

1402
01:14:29,507 --> 01:14:31,547
Speaker 19: that's why they had to adjust it.

1403
01:14:32,267 --> 01:14:34,507
Speaker 2: Trev, I do have to go. But interesting perspective, mate,

1404
01:14:34,507 --> 01:14:37,867
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling in. We can revisit this another day.

1405
01:14:38,387 --> 01:14:40,587
Speaker 2: It's obviously an interesting topic that I think we can

1406
01:14:40,827 --> 01:14:44,507
Speaker 2: probably delve more deeply into. Thanks for calling from Adelaide, Trev.

1407
01:14:44,667 --> 01:14:47,547
Speaker 2: We're going to stay in Australia. Australian correspondent Adam Peacock

1408
01:14:48,027 --> 01:14:50,427
Speaker 2: is with us in this regular slot. Let's start with cricket.

1409
01:14:50,467 --> 01:14:53,627
Speaker 2: Test Cricket Adam, Australia have won the first Test against

1410
01:14:53,627 --> 01:14:58,267
Speaker 2: the West Indies in Barbados, another three day Test Ozzie

1411
01:14:58,347 --> 01:15:00,747
Speaker 2: one eighty and three hundred and ten the West Indies

1412
01:15:00,787 --> 01:15:03,947
Speaker 2: one ninety and one forty one all out. What what

1413
01:15:04,067 --> 01:15:07,107
Speaker 2: gave the Assis the edge their bowlers? I presume it

1414
01:15:07,187 --> 01:15:07,787
Speaker 2: was all out of.

1415
01:15:07,787 --> 01:15:09,827
Speaker 12: The bowlers making life half of the West Indies and

1416
01:15:09,907 --> 01:15:13,547
Speaker 12: unable to compile a score, whereas our guys scratched around

1417
01:15:13,627 --> 01:15:16,547
Speaker 12: and our top four didn't really set the world on fire.

1418
01:15:16,547 --> 01:15:20,587
Speaker 12: It was he returned in the first innings at Wilson Kwarkaper,

1419
01:15:20,987 --> 01:15:22,587
Speaker 12: who was up to Travis Head in the middle order,

1420
01:15:23,147 --> 01:15:24,907
Speaker 12: was not much to have got to bowl that otherwise,

1421
01:15:25,067 --> 01:15:26,867
Speaker 12: if not for him, were in all sorts of bottle.

1422
01:15:26,987 --> 01:15:32,787
Speaker 12: So a win, but not a completely convincing one. Along

1423
01:15:32,827 --> 01:15:36,107
Speaker 12: the same way as what has made this team unconvincing

1424
01:15:36,107 --> 01:15:38,147
Speaker 12: when it hasn't been at its top in the last

1425
01:15:38,507 --> 01:15:41,227
Speaker 12: two three years. The batting, I don't know. I don't

1426
01:15:41,267 --> 01:15:42,947
Speaker 12: know how they can find some form, but they've got

1427
01:15:42,987 --> 01:15:45,627
Speaker 12: to do it before they play stiffer opposition later in

1428
01:15:45,667 --> 01:15:46,387
Speaker 12: the year in England.

1429
01:15:46,747 --> 01:15:49,227
Speaker 2: Well, Sam constas I came into open the batting manus

1430
01:15:49,267 --> 01:15:51,627
Speaker 2: Lavashane of course was dropped. We spoke about that last

1431
01:15:51,627 --> 01:15:55,667
Speaker 2: week Constance three and five, so certainly not the return

1432
01:15:55,707 --> 01:15:57,787
Speaker 2: that he was after. They'll persevere, though, won't they. They'll

1433
01:15:57,827 --> 01:15:59,307
Speaker 2: government at least one more crack.

1434
01:16:00,987 --> 01:16:03,547
Speaker 12: I reckon they'll they'll playing for the series and then

1435
01:16:03,987 --> 01:16:05,707
Speaker 12: then re evaluate. He's going to learn a hell of

1436
01:16:05,707 --> 01:16:09,267
Speaker 12: a lot and the Explosion. It's a pretty good bowling

1437
01:16:09,267 --> 01:16:13,107
Speaker 12: line up with the West Indies with the two Joseph

1438
01:16:13,187 --> 01:16:17,307
Speaker 12: guys and also Agreeves as well. So yeah, it's it's

1439
01:16:17,347 --> 01:16:21,707
Speaker 12: not an easy situation coming in facing that. I think

1440
01:16:21,707 --> 01:16:23,547
Speaker 12: the third Test I haven't confirmed it yet, but it

1441
01:16:23,627 --> 01:16:25,987
Speaker 12: might be a pink ball at this stage. It's slated

1442
01:16:25,987 --> 01:16:28,467
Speaker 12: as a pink ball test, but he yet to confirm it.

1443
01:16:28,627 --> 01:16:32,187
Speaker 12: But yeah, Sam con has got to kind of find

1444
01:16:32,227 --> 01:16:35,507
Speaker 12: a way at this level, it's to step up he's

1445
01:16:35,507 --> 01:16:38,427
Speaker 12: got all the instruction he needs and you know, he's

1446
01:16:38,667 --> 01:16:40,667
Speaker 12: he's certainly got the name. He's he was on the

1447
01:16:40,707 --> 01:16:44,267
Speaker 12: front of a big you know those big weekend magazines

1448
01:16:44,307 --> 01:16:45,707
Speaker 12: that they put in the middle of the papers. He

1449
01:16:45,747 --> 01:16:47,107
Speaker 12: was on the front page of one of those a

1450
01:16:47,107 --> 01:16:49,667
Speaker 12: couple of weeks ago. So he's he's certainly the boom

1451
01:16:49,747 --> 01:16:52,747
Speaker 12: kid in probably Australian sport, along with the Oscar Piastre.

1452
01:16:53,707 --> 01:16:56,267
Speaker 12: But he's got to now live up to it, and

1453
01:16:56,267 --> 01:16:58,627
Speaker 12: that's the hard thing. So he's going to get exposed

1454
01:16:58,627 --> 01:17:01,187
Speaker 12: at this level. That's how he fights through that and

1455
01:17:01,187 --> 01:17:03,307
Speaker 12: and finds a way to score a few runs.

1456
01:17:03,467 --> 01:17:05,667
Speaker 2: Did Josh Hazelwood goes? All right, doesn't he fight for

1457
01:17:05,667 --> 01:17:08,307
Speaker 2: forty three in the second innings. He's been around for

1458
01:17:08,347 --> 01:17:10,867
Speaker 2: a long long time, but still delivering. He's a he's

1459
01:17:10,907 --> 01:17:13,587
Speaker 2: a pretty handy cricketer, one of the.

1460
01:17:13,547 --> 01:17:16,147
Speaker 12: Most unassuming blokes going around. Because you talk to him,

1461
01:17:16,187 --> 01:17:17,587
Speaker 12: you go, Josh, how do you do it? How do

1462
01:17:17,587 --> 01:17:18,427
Speaker 12: you set a batter up?

1463
01:17:18,427 --> 01:17:18,827
Speaker 5: And this that?

1464
01:17:18,867 --> 01:17:21,987
Speaker 12: And young He goes, oh, you know, I'll just come

1465
01:17:22,027 --> 01:17:24,507
Speaker 12: in and kind of my mark at my rhythm and

1466
01:17:24,667 --> 01:17:26,387
Speaker 12: you know the pop stump there. I just try and

1467
01:17:26,427 --> 01:17:30,547
Speaker 12: hit the top of that team, so yeah, he's he's

1468
01:17:30,627 --> 01:17:34,667
Speaker 12: metronomic sometimes with his accuracy, so yeah, he's he's actually

1469
01:17:34,867 --> 01:17:36,787
Speaker 12: surprised that a lot of people in world cricket with

1470
01:17:36,787 --> 01:17:38,627
Speaker 12: his ability. In T twenty cricket, he was one of

1471
01:17:38,627 --> 01:17:40,707
Speaker 12: the best players in the recent IPL he won it

1472
01:17:40,747 --> 01:17:44,387
Speaker 12: with RCB, So yeah, he's he's on the late career

1473
01:17:44,427 --> 01:17:46,907
Speaker 12: phill up as well in that regard, and going pretty

1474
01:17:46,907 --> 01:17:48,187
Speaker 12: well at Test level again as well.

1475
01:17:48,267 --> 01:17:50,067
Speaker 2: All Right, Second Test starts back in the next week

1476
01:17:50,147 --> 01:17:53,307
Speaker 2: or the week ahead in Grenada and then we had

1477
01:17:53,307 --> 01:17:55,347
Speaker 2: to see whether the Third Test is in fact pink

1478
01:17:55,387 --> 01:17:59,227
Speaker 2: ball at Kingston in Jamaica. Let's move to rugby. The

1479
01:17:59,267 --> 01:18:02,627
Speaker 2: British and Irish Lions have landed in Australia. Their tour

1480
01:18:02,707 --> 01:18:05,347
Speaker 2: starts tonight in Perth where they take on the Western

1481
01:18:05,427 --> 01:18:08,427
Speaker 2: for some how much anticipation is there around about the

1482
01:18:08,907 --> 01:18:10,547
Speaker 2: upcoming British and Irish lines tour.

1483
01:18:11,347 --> 01:18:14,027
Speaker 12: Yeah, a ton a ton and Rugby Australia rubbing their

1484
01:18:14,027 --> 01:18:16,627
Speaker 12: hands together financially because it's something that they need right

1485
01:18:16,667 --> 01:18:18,267
Speaker 12: now with their balance sheet the way it's been the

1486
01:18:18,307 --> 01:18:21,587
Speaker 12: last few years, and it's like tickets are flown out

1487
01:18:21,627 --> 01:18:24,467
Speaker 12: the door and all the corporates and all that. It's

1488
01:18:24,507 --> 01:18:27,227
Speaker 12: just that it's the ultimate fill up for rugby Australia.

1489
01:18:27,467 --> 01:18:29,667
Speaker 12: But now it's down to the rugby. And yeah, you're right,

1490
01:18:29,707 --> 01:18:32,227
Speaker 12: they play Western Force. They got the game against Queensland.

1491
01:18:32,267 --> 01:18:36,547
Speaker 12: I think Brumby's Waratahs. So they go around the provinces

1492
01:18:36,587 --> 01:18:39,267
Speaker 12: to start things and then test matches and a few

1493
01:18:39,307 --> 01:18:42,427
Speaker 12: more tour matches. It's a superb concept and it's just

1494
01:18:42,987 --> 01:18:44,747
Speaker 12: I wish there was a little bit more of it,

1495
01:18:44,827 --> 01:18:47,387
Speaker 12: not too much, not to kind of go too hard,

1496
01:18:47,587 --> 01:18:50,867
Speaker 12: but a proper, proper tour where they have traveled on

1497
01:18:50,987 --> 01:18:53,147
Speaker 12: mass that they haven't on on the East Coast obviously,

1498
01:18:53,187 --> 01:18:55,507
Speaker 12: so they're all over in Perth this weekend, so we

1499
01:18:55,547 --> 01:18:59,187
Speaker 12: haven't really experienced it yet, the full influx of you know,

1500
01:18:59,587 --> 01:19:04,867
Speaker 12: we're told twenty thirty thousand people in red lines jerseys

1501
01:19:04,947 --> 01:19:09,027
Speaker 12: just enjoying life in a beautiful winter in Australia. So

1502
01:19:10,147 --> 01:19:13,747
Speaker 12: it'll be magnificent and the rugby. I do fancy the

1503
01:19:13,787 --> 01:19:16,507
Speaker 12: Wallaby's chances in some of these games. I reckon Joe

1504
01:19:16,507 --> 01:19:18,987
Speaker 12: Schmidt is is pretty careful with his words and he's

1505
01:19:19,067 --> 01:19:22,547
Speaker 12: very respectful, especially given what he did with Ireland that Yeah,

1506
01:19:22,907 --> 01:19:24,547
Speaker 12: there's a lot of improvement to come for the lines

1507
01:19:24,587 --> 01:19:27,107
Speaker 12: out of that Argentina lost, but I just feel that

1508
01:19:27,267 --> 01:19:29,227
Speaker 12: Lollabys are maybe you know, edge it.

1509
01:19:29,467 --> 01:19:32,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're very much looking forward to watching the series

1510
01:19:33,067 --> 01:19:35,987
Speaker 2: over here. Yeah, nothing like a tour, So tonight in

1511
01:19:36,027 --> 01:19:38,787
Speaker 2: Perth we'll see how things kick off. The British and

1512
01:19:38,787 --> 01:19:41,787
Speaker 2: Irish lines aren't surprisingly warm favorites to kick off the

1513
01:19:41,827 --> 01:19:43,827
Speaker 2: Australian part of their tour with the win and you

1514
01:19:43,907 --> 01:19:46,747
Speaker 2: said farewell this week in Australia to a a pretty

1515
01:19:46,907 --> 01:19:49,787
Speaker 2: iconic television show, The back Page, which we can watch

1516
01:19:49,867 --> 01:19:53,867
Speaker 2: over here as well or have been able to what

1517
01:19:54,347 --> 01:19:56,307
Speaker 2: sort of played out here that saw the show come

1518
01:19:56,347 --> 01:19:59,507
Speaker 2: to an end, and how fondly remembered will the back Page.

1519
01:19:59,267 --> 01:20:03,667
Speaker 12: Be, oh hugely like twenty nine years like, I was

1520
01:20:03,707 --> 01:20:05,667
Speaker 12: lucky to be a part of a really small part

1521
01:20:05,707 --> 01:20:07,707
Speaker 12: of it, host of a couple of times when Tony

1522
01:20:07,707 --> 01:20:12,787
Speaker 12: Squier's was away and was a panelist regularly as well.

1523
01:20:13,667 --> 01:20:16,547
Speaker 12: It was just beauty of it was the simplicity, So

1524
01:20:16,907 --> 01:20:19,067
Speaker 12: for the uninitiated not knowing over there what it is

1525
01:20:19,107 --> 01:20:22,027
Speaker 12: it was, and how I catch up with five people

1526
01:20:22,667 --> 01:20:26,347
Speaker 12: talking and laughing about Sport. It's a pretty simple concept,

1527
01:20:26,507 --> 01:20:29,547
Speaker 12: but to pull it all together, you need the background

1528
01:20:29,627 --> 01:20:31,627
Speaker 12: team and the host to drive it. And Tony was

1529
01:20:31,667 --> 01:20:34,827
Speaker 12: such a superb host, and Maddy Parslow, the producer who's

1530
01:20:34,867 --> 01:20:38,187
Speaker 12: got a lot of plaudits this week for what he

1531
01:20:38,227 --> 01:20:41,787
Speaker 12: did with the show, just superb. Like you literally went

1532
01:20:41,827 --> 01:20:43,707
Speaker 12: on the show and you had everything in front of

1533
01:20:43,747 --> 01:20:45,587
Speaker 12: you and you can just react to what was going

1534
01:20:45,627 --> 01:20:47,667
Speaker 12: on and you bring your knowledge, your skill set or

1535
01:20:47,667 --> 01:20:50,987
Speaker 12: whatever you call it to the viewers. But it just

1536
01:20:51,027 --> 01:20:53,587
Speaker 12: felt like the perfect way on a Tuesday night. So

1537
01:20:53,707 --> 01:20:55,507
Speaker 12: if you're busy on a weekend like we all are

1538
01:20:55,547 --> 01:20:57,347
Speaker 12: and you miss it all, you sit down on Tuesday

1539
01:20:57,387 --> 01:20:59,227
Speaker 12: night and you go, that happened? Why did it happen?

1540
01:20:59,267 --> 01:21:01,427
Speaker 12: Everything like that, short and sharp, but it was just

1541
01:21:02,067 --> 01:21:04,507
Speaker 12: a great idea and a bit of debate, few laughs,

1542
01:21:05,427 --> 01:21:08,267
Speaker 12: but they just I think Fox Sports that had reached

1543
01:21:08,267 --> 01:21:11,267
Speaker 12: the end and the budgetary concerns and that, you know,

1544
01:21:11,627 --> 01:21:13,867
Speaker 12: the credit squeeze going on at a lot of media companies,

1545
01:21:13,907 --> 01:21:16,387
Speaker 12: it just it couldn't go on. Unfortunately, I don't know

1546
01:21:16,627 --> 01:21:19,867
Speaker 12: exactly why I wasn't there. I've since left Fox, but

1547
01:21:20,427 --> 01:21:21,987
Speaker 12: just a great show to work on. One of those

1548
01:21:22,067 --> 01:21:24,427
Speaker 12: one of those happy things that you get to experience

1549
01:21:24,467 --> 01:21:25,107
Speaker 12: once in a while.

1550
01:21:25,227 --> 01:21:27,667
Speaker 2: Yep, very sad to see it go or I may well.

1551
01:21:27,707 --> 01:21:29,787
Speaker 2: Then that covers us for today. Enjoy the rest of

1552
01:21:29,827 --> 01:21:32,267
Speaker 2: your day and your golf and we'll catch up again

1553
01:21:32,307 --> 01:21:32,867
Speaker 2: next Saturday.

1554
01:21:33,667 --> 01:21:34,787
Speaker 12: Sounds good, Plinny have a god one.

1555
01:21:34,827 --> 01:21:36,587
Speaker 2: You have a good one too, Adam Adam Peacock, our

1556
01:21:36,587 --> 01:21:39,747
Speaker 2: regular Australian correspondent around this time every Saturday afternoon here

1557
01:21:39,787 --> 01:21:45,147
Speaker 2: on Weekend Sports seven to two's.

1558
01:21:43,387 --> 01:21:46,107
Speaker 1: From the track field and the court on your home

1559
01:21:46,187 --> 01:21:51,747
Speaker 1: of sport, Weekend Sport with Jason Vine.

1560
01:21:50,387 --> 01:21:52,747
Speaker 2: Four to two after News at two. Sale GP coming

1561
01:21:52,787 --> 01:21:56,387
Speaker 2: back to Auckland in mid February of next year, just

1562
01:21:56,427 --> 01:21:58,427
Speaker 2: the one year deal to start with. I wonder whether

1563
01:21:58,467 --> 01:22:01,467
Speaker 2: that might extend. Head of events for the New Zealand

1564
01:22:01,507 --> 01:22:04,107
Speaker 2: leg of sal GP Alex Corey joining us on that.

1565
01:22:04,147 --> 01:22:06,907
Speaker 2: All Whites coach Darren Baisley is on the show as well.

1566
01:22:07,147 --> 01:22:10,827
Speaker 2: Confirmation this week of the next FIFA window containing a

1567
01:22:10,907 --> 01:22:14,467
Speaker 2: trans Tasmin double header the All Whites against the Soccer

1568
01:22:14,507 --> 01:22:17,987
Speaker 2: Roos in Canberra and in Auckland in September. Talked to

1569
01:22:18,027 --> 01:22:20,267
Speaker 2: Darren Basley about that and speaking of football check them

1570
01:22:20,307 --> 01:22:23,187
Speaker 2: with Auckland City FC. They're back home from their FIFA

1571
01:22:23,307 --> 01:22:27,067
Speaker 2: Club World Cup adventure and what an adventure it was.

1572
01:22:27,107 --> 01:22:29,067
Speaker 2: We'll touch on that as well.

1573
01:22:29,787 --> 01:22:32,707
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1574
01:22:33,027 --> 01:22:36,947
Speaker 1: and after fields, it's all on Weekends Forward with Jason

1575
01:22:37,027 --> 01:22:41,347
Speaker 1: Tyane on your Home of Sport in New York.

1576
01:22:42,027 --> 01:22:44,427
Speaker 2: Two O seven's the time. Welcome into Weekend Sport. Been

1577
01:22:44,667 --> 01:22:47,627
Speaker 2: great to have you listening in if you're just joining us.

1578
01:22:47,667 --> 01:22:50,187
Speaker 2: So you come at quite a good time because we're

1579
01:22:50,227 --> 01:22:52,427
Speaker 2: about to find out more about sale GP returning to

1580
01:22:52,467 --> 01:22:57,227
Speaker 2: Auckland February fourteen, fifteen next year Valentine's Day. What a

1581
01:22:57,267 --> 01:23:01,187
Speaker 2: great Valentine's Day present, Let's go to sale GP. Actually

1582
01:23:01,267 --> 01:23:02,987
Speaker 2: all joking aside, that would be quite a nice way

1583
01:23:03,027 --> 01:23:06,187
Speaker 2: to spend that weekend. The head of the New Zealand

1584
01:23:06,387 --> 01:23:09,067
Speaker 2: v as Alex Cory, she's standing by the chat to

1585
01:23:09,147 --> 01:23:11,187
Speaker 2: us Darren Baisley on the show this hour as well,

1586
01:23:11,747 --> 01:23:14,227
Speaker 2: Or White's coach. All White's going to play the soccer

1587
01:23:14,267 --> 01:23:16,787
Speaker 2: Roo's home and Away in September. Both teams have qualified

1588
01:23:16,827 --> 01:23:18,867
Speaker 2: for the World Cup next year, so this will form

1589
01:23:18,987 --> 01:23:21,507
Speaker 2: part of their preparation for that. Always love a good

1590
01:23:21,547 --> 01:23:25,147
Speaker 2: trans Tasman sporting battle. It doesn't happen very often in football.

1591
01:23:26,067 --> 01:23:28,467
Speaker 2: How does Darren basally think the team is tracking? Less

1592
01:23:28,507 --> 01:23:30,187
Speaker 2: than a year out now from the World Cup? And

1593
01:23:30,227 --> 01:23:33,707
Speaker 2: we'll check them with Auckland CITYFC. They're back home now

1594
01:23:33,747 --> 01:23:36,987
Speaker 2: from their club World Cup adventure including a one old

1595
01:23:37,067 --> 01:23:41,667
Speaker 2: draw with Argentine giants Boker Juniors. How are they feeling

1596
01:23:41,707 --> 01:23:44,547
Speaker 2: about things? Because it didn't start well for them, did it?

1597
01:23:45,147 --> 01:23:47,427
Speaker 2: A ten neel loss to Bayern Munich? They went down

1598
01:23:47,467 --> 01:23:49,867
Speaker 2: six nil to Benfica. So to pull back a one

1599
01:23:49,907 --> 01:23:53,547
Speaker 2: old drawer highly credible and earns them quite a bit

1600
01:23:53,587 --> 01:23:55,747
Speaker 2: of coin as well. There's a bit of conjecture about

1601
01:23:56,107 --> 01:23:58,867
Speaker 2: the split of that money between Auckland City FC and

1602
01:23:58,947 --> 01:24:01,827
Speaker 2: the rest of the New Zealand football community. Gordon Watson

1603
01:24:01,867 --> 01:24:03,587
Speaker 2: a general manager of the club. He's going to have

1604
01:24:03,627 --> 01:24:05,347
Speaker 2: a chat to us before three o'clock. Our lines are

1605
01:24:05,347 --> 01:24:08,507
Speaker 2: open always at eighty ten eighty. You can send your

1606
01:24:08,507 --> 01:24:11,747
Speaker 2: texts into nine two ninety two or emails to Jason

1607
01:24:11,827 --> 01:24:15,667
Speaker 2: at newstalkzb dot co dot nz. But as we tick

1608
01:24:15,707 --> 01:24:18,027
Speaker 2: over eight past two, as we always do it around

1609
01:24:18,027 --> 01:24:20,187
Speaker 2: about this time, there you go. The music will tell

1610
01:24:20,227 --> 01:24:23,267
Speaker 2: you it's time to get you across some of the

1611
01:24:23,267 --> 01:24:26,747
Speaker 2: stuff that you may have missed, some of the things

1612
01:24:27,027 --> 01:24:29,187
Speaker 2: that have escaped your attention in the last little while.

1613
01:24:29,227 --> 01:24:32,587
Speaker 2: It's not hugely busy sports wise. I feel like it's

1614
01:24:32,627 --> 01:24:36,227
Speaker 2: a bit of a calm in between storms. But there's

1615
01:24:36,307 --> 01:24:37,987
Speaker 2: quite a bit to catch you up on. Starting with

1616
01:24:38,027 --> 01:24:41,347
Speaker 2: Test cricket, Australia have won the first Test against the

1617
01:24:41,387 --> 01:24:44,667
Speaker 2: West Indies in Barbados, bowling their hosts out for one

1618
01:24:44,747 --> 01:24:48,307
Speaker 2: hundred and forty one in their second innings, Nathan Lyon

1619
01:24:48,467 --> 01:24:51,587
Speaker 2: taking the final wicket to secure victory.

1620
01:24:52,827 --> 01:24:57,107
Speaker 18: Short lag there. It's a wicket at the Ascens. They've

1621
01:24:57,147 --> 01:25:01,347
Speaker 18: dominated and they've picked up the ten with Sydian wickets

1622
01:25:01,427 --> 01:25:05,067
Speaker 18: ended this much and they go on to tech a

1623
01:25:05,267 --> 01:25:08,427
Speaker 18: one zero led in the series, the win by one

1624
01:25:08,547 --> 01:25:09,627
Speaker 18: fifty nine runs.

1625
01:25:10,227 --> 01:25:13,107
Speaker 2: What are bawling efforts? Let's go to the NRL. The

1626
01:25:13,187 --> 01:25:16,147
Speaker 2: Sea Eagles doing it fairly comfortably over the Tigers.

1627
01:25:16,187 --> 01:25:20,267
Speaker 16: Sherry Evans another kicked over the top betters.

1628
01:25:21,667 --> 01:25:25,867
Speaker 20: Ben Tifovitch, one of the local heros.

1629
01:25:25,467 --> 01:25:28,827
Speaker 2: Has scored twenty eighteen, the final score to Manly. In

1630
01:25:28,867 --> 01:25:32,547
Speaker 2: the later game, Canberra led the Knights twenty two to

1631
01:25:32,547 --> 01:25:34,387
Speaker 2: six with about a quarter of an hour to go,

1632
01:25:34,947 --> 01:25:37,067
Speaker 2: but did have to fight off a late comeback for

1633
01:25:37,427 --> 01:25:38,907
Speaker 2: just enough time for the Knights.

1634
01:25:40,107 --> 01:25:43,787
Speaker 9: Hogada guy holds up the past best for Shiller.

1635
01:25:44,507 --> 01:25:48,107
Speaker 17: I've brands that finished coming up for McDonald Jian.

1636
01:25:48,267 --> 01:25:51,067
Speaker 2: A twenty to eighteen win. Eventually for Canberra. The Raiders

1637
01:25:51,107 --> 01:25:54,027
Speaker 2: go top of the NRL table at the stage of

1638
01:25:54,027 --> 01:25:57,467
Speaker 2: the season for the first time in twenty two years.

1639
01:25:58,107 --> 01:26:00,787
Speaker 2: Up the Green Machine. A big win for Italy in

1640
01:26:00,827 --> 01:26:04,587
Speaker 2: their rugby international against Namibia.

1641
01:26:05,427 --> 01:26:07,987
Speaker 21: Has come there by the Italians and as we said

1642
01:26:07,987 --> 01:26:11,187
Speaker 21: they haven't dominated the scrum, they come up with very

1643
01:26:11,187 --> 01:26:16,387
Speaker 21: dominant scrum to give Italy their second penalty try. That

1644
01:26:16,747 --> 01:26:19,067
Speaker 21: was the end of the game according to mister brace,

1645
01:26:19,147 --> 01:26:22,467
Speaker 21: so Italy finishing off with a massive scrum. There to

1646
01:26:22,547 --> 01:26:25,547
Speaker 21: Giff Jockberger and then some food for thoughts for the weekend.

1647
01:26:25,787 --> 01:26:28,667
Speaker 2: Seventy three six the final score to Italy. And in

1648
01:26:28,707 --> 01:26:31,627
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Basketball League of tight contest in Dunedin

1649
01:26:31,987 --> 01:26:34,147
Speaker 2: between the Otago Nuggets and the Total on Are five.

1650
01:26:34,587 --> 01:26:37,427
Speaker 2: The Five were ahead by four with teen seconds left

1651
01:26:37,827 --> 01:26:39,187
Speaker 2: and Otago inbounding.

1652
01:26:39,347 --> 01:26:43,467
Speaker 22: Oh those backups, Oh that's pretty what a block my goodness,

1653
01:26:43,507 --> 01:26:47,387
Speaker 22: mohave king with a flush and the other end the nuggets.

1654
01:26:46,947 --> 01:26:49,387
Speaker 14: Will have been a goldtending call was going.

1655
01:26:49,267 --> 01:26:51,627
Speaker 2: To be made and that will be game.

1656
01:26:53,387 --> 01:26:56,307
Speaker 18: The officials say clean bloc and that the five it's

1657
01:26:56,307 --> 01:26:57,187
Speaker 18: say clean.

1658
01:26:56,947 --> 01:27:00,627
Speaker 2: Win eighty two. The fight hang on.

1659
01:27:01,267 --> 01:27:03,547
Speaker 1: When it's down to the line. You made a call.

1660
01:27:03,707 --> 01:27:08,867
Speaker 1: On Weekend Sport with Jason Hine News Talks.

1661
01:27:08,667 --> 01:27:11,907
Speaker 2: MB eleven minutes past her Great News this week Sale

1662
01:27:12,067 --> 01:27:16,507
Speaker 2: GP will return to Auckland on February fourteen and fifteen

1663
01:27:16,787 --> 01:27:20,547
Speaker 2: next year, after a successful debut earlier this year.

1664
01:27:20,867 --> 01:27:21,307
Speaker 6: Here we go.

1665
01:27:21,627 --> 01:27:23,307
Speaker 7: I'm gonna get to do it in front of the

1666
01:27:23,387 --> 01:27:28,827
Speaker 7: Kiwi fans.

1667
01:27:26,387 --> 01:27:30,427
Speaker 23: And the Emirates fly time eighty two percent for Tom

1668
01:27:30,507 --> 01:27:33,827
Speaker 23: Slingsby and the Flying Ruse. As they bring it home

1669
01:27:33,947 --> 01:27:36,827
Speaker 23: and there's the finish line, the sold out crowd will

1670
01:27:36,827 --> 01:27:39,507
Speaker 23: bring them home. They'd rather see black balls, but they're

1671
01:27:39,507 --> 01:27:42,587
Speaker 23: gonna see green and gold as they come to the line,

1672
01:27:42,707 --> 01:27:45,907
Speaker 23: the Emirates pooty moment goes the way of the Australians.

1673
01:27:46,467 --> 01:27:48,587
Speaker 2: Apart from the fact that Australia wanted it, it was

1674
01:27:48,627 --> 01:27:51,987
Speaker 2: a great weekend. So next year the Auckland event will

1675
01:27:51,987 --> 01:27:55,627
Speaker 2: be the second of twelve on the twenty twenty six calendar,

1676
01:27:55,747 --> 01:28:00,227
Speaker 2: secured on a one regatta deal. Alex Corey is head

1677
01:28:00,267 --> 01:28:02,307
Speaker 2: of Event for the New Zealand leg of sale GP.

1678
01:28:02,427 --> 01:28:04,787
Speaker 2: She joins us Now, Alex, great news this We get

1679
01:28:04,787 --> 01:28:07,587
Speaker 2: to do it all again Nexturi. How excited are you

1680
01:28:07,667 --> 01:28:11,147
Speaker 2: to be having sole GP returned back to Auckland.

1681
01:28:12,587 --> 01:28:15,747
Speaker 24: We're so excited to finally have this date locked in,

1682
01:28:16,507 --> 01:28:19,707
Speaker 24: I mean off the success of the event earlier this year,

1683
01:28:19,867 --> 01:28:23,187
Speaker 24: where we're looking forward to building on that success and

1684
01:28:23,267 --> 01:28:27,347
Speaker 24: really growing our fan experience and hopefully the fan base

1685
01:28:27,467 --> 01:28:30,947
Speaker 24: and getting more spectators down onto that site to watch

1686
01:28:30,987 --> 01:28:31,867
Speaker 24: the exciting racing.

1687
01:28:32,107 --> 01:28:34,707
Speaker 2: What sort of feedback did you get from, first of all,

1688
01:28:34,707 --> 01:28:38,907
Speaker 2: the sale GP organization and the teams who visited Auckland

1689
01:28:38,907 --> 01:28:39,387
Speaker 2: earlier this.

1690
01:28:39,427 --> 01:28:44,867
Speaker 24: Year, It was it was the best we had in

1691
01:28:44,907 --> 01:28:49,267
Speaker 24: the history of SELDP, to be fair. The athletes loved it,

1692
01:28:50,547 --> 01:28:53,427
Speaker 24: management loved it, The whole organization loved it. You know,

1693
01:28:53,547 --> 01:28:57,307
Speaker 24: it's I think it's a real combination of great sailing. Obviously,

1694
01:28:57,307 --> 01:28:58,987
Speaker 24: we've got good wins out there on the way to

1695
01:28:58,987 --> 01:29:04,107
Speaker 24: Matter Harbor in the afternoon, a huge spectator fan base

1696
01:29:04,187 --> 01:29:07,827
Speaker 24: and that huge grandstand, and also just been down in

1697
01:29:07,867 --> 01:29:10,267
Speaker 24: the heart of the city. You know, you're right in

1698
01:29:10,547 --> 01:29:13,947
Speaker 24: downtown Auckland. That was fantastic to see all those bars

1699
01:29:13,987 --> 01:29:17,227
Speaker 24: and restaurants along when you had quarter there, you know,

1700
01:29:17,507 --> 01:29:20,307
Speaker 24: humming and thousands of people back at it. It felt

1701
01:29:20,347 --> 01:29:21,747
Speaker 24: like those olden days.

1702
01:29:21,907 --> 01:29:24,867
Speaker 2: It certainly that how do you balance your priorities, Alex

1703
01:29:24,907 --> 01:29:27,747
Speaker 2: in terms of giving cele gp what they need, giving

1704
01:29:27,747 --> 01:29:30,827
Speaker 2: the teams what they need, but also creating that fan experience,

1705
01:29:30,907 --> 01:29:33,987
Speaker 2: because let's be honest, Without the fans, the events nowhere

1706
01:29:34,027 --> 01:29:35,467
Speaker 2: near as good as it is.

1707
01:29:36,547 --> 01:29:40,147
Speaker 24: It isn't no, I mean, it's I think it's the

1708
01:29:40,667 --> 01:29:45,227
Speaker 24: product that we have is you know, exceptional. It's when

1709
01:29:45,267 --> 01:29:49,587
Speaker 24: you talk to fans, the consistent feedback that I get

1710
01:29:49,707 --> 01:29:56,027
Speaker 24: is it was so unexpected. So you know, just people

1711
01:29:56,027 --> 01:29:58,947
Speaker 24: come down there that in a grandstand seat just meters

1712
01:29:58,987 --> 01:30:01,147
Speaker 24: off the water, you know, it's like nothing you know,

1713
01:30:01,227 --> 01:30:03,227
Speaker 24: one's ever experienced before. And then you've got the f

1714
01:30:03,227 --> 01:30:06,867
Speaker 24: fifty flying straight past, you know, meters a way when

1715
01:30:06,907 --> 01:30:09,507
Speaker 24: you can you can hear the athletes talking to each other.

1716
01:30:10,867 --> 01:30:13,467
Speaker 24: So it's not too hard to balance. It's it's I

1717
01:30:13,467 --> 01:30:16,707
Speaker 24: think the product speaks for itself, and so you know

1718
01:30:16,907 --> 01:30:18,267
Speaker 24: it's it's an easy job.

1719
01:30:18,627 --> 01:30:21,587
Speaker 2: Are there any changes or improvements you're looking to make

1720
01:30:21,627 --> 01:30:22,227
Speaker 2: for next year?

1721
01:30:24,187 --> 01:30:26,107
Speaker 24: Yeah, we you know, we're always looking at how we

1722
01:30:26,147 --> 01:30:31,747
Speaker 24: can improve, certainly, you know, improvement on the fan experience.

1723
01:30:32,107 --> 01:30:33,827
Speaker 24: You know, we're hoping to you know, work with our

1724
01:30:33,867 --> 01:30:37,867
Speaker 24: partners down on when your point and make that even better.

1725
01:30:38,387 --> 01:30:41,707
Speaker 24: We're looking at how we can grow that race stadium

1726
01:30:41,747 --> 01:30:43,987
Speaker 24: and the and the grand stand down there. Obviously we're

1727
01:30:44,427 --> 01:30:48,427
Speaker 24: limited of waterfronted, but you know, we're hoping that we're

1728
01:30:48,427 --> 01:30:51,707
Speaker 24: working with our design team and our operations teams to

1729
01:30:51,747 --> 01:30:53,747
Speaker 24: see how we can grow that grand stand as well

1730
01:30:53,787 --> 01:30:56,987
Speaker 24: so that we can get more people down there. Also,

1731
01:30:57,187 --> 01:31:01,027
Speaker 24: you know, we're looking at the last year, sorry this year,

1732
01:31:01,067 --> 01:31:05,387
Speaker 24: we had twelve twelve national teams. We're looking to grow

1733
01:31:05,387 --> 01:31:09,347
Speaker 24: that to fourteen, so you know, expect to see even

1734
01:31:09,467 --> 01:31:10,827
Speaker 24: more excitement out on that water.

1735
01:31:11,467 --> 01:31:13,067
Speaker 2: Why is this only a one year deal?

1736
01:31:16,067 --> 01:31:18,827
Speaker 24: As you know, well may know, we had a four

1737
01:31:18,907 --> 01:31:21,867
Speaker 24: year agreement with the government, so that was to host

1738
01:31:22,067 --> 01:31:25,507
Speaker 24: two events in christ Sertain Pearl Auckland. So we're seeing

1739
01:31:25,547 --> 01:31:30,867
Speaker 24: out that contract, but you know, absolutely looking at how

1740
01:31:30,907 --> 01:31:34,467
Speaker 24: we can extend that for fifty years and we're working

1741
01:31:34,547 --> 01:31:38,067
Speaker 24: with Tatafi Auckland unlimited. So hopefully you know, we will

1742
01:31:38,107 --> 01:31:41,267
Speaker 24: become a permanent fixture in the event calendar.

1743
01:31:41,347 --> 01:31:43,427
Speaker 2: Well, you're completely preemp to my next question. So you

1744
01:31:44,467 --> 01:31:47,547
Speaker 2: it's your hope that this will become an annual event,

1745
01:31:47,587 --> 01:31:50,667
Speaker 2: that that there will be be more to see beyond

1746
01:31:50,867 --> 01:31:52,747
Speaker 2: next year in terms of sole GP in Auckland.

1747
01:31:54,067 --> 01:31:56,867
Speaker 24: Absolutely, I mean we're looking as a league, we're looking

1748
01:31:56,907 --> 01:32:00,027
Speaker 24: to sort of cement the calendar so that we've become

1749
01:32:00,627 --> 01:32:03,867
Speaker 24: you know, like other major sporting events where you know

1750
01:32:03,987 --> 01:32:06,307
Speaker 24: that you know, every February there will be a sale

1751
01:32:06,427 --> 01:32:11,707
Speaker 24: GP in Auckland, and that's that's our hope. So you know,

1752
01:32:11,747 --> 01:32:15,907
Speaker 24: we're working with the host city and things on that

1753
01:32:16,187 --> 01:32:19,067
Speaker 24: as we speak to you know, make that work, ll

1754
01:32:19,387 --> 01:32:19,707
Speaker 24: love it.

1755
01:32:19,747 --> 01:32:22,307
Speaker 2: We'll work for progress on that. And having hosted it

1756
01:32:22,347 --> 01:32:24,387
Speaker 2: now once and you said here last year, it feels

1757
01:32:24,387 --> 01:32:26,787
Speaker 2: like last year, doesn't it, But earlier earlier this year

1758
01:32:27,027 --> 01:32:30,267
Speaker 2: having done it once now, Alex is it very much

1759
01:32:30,467 --> 01:32:32,027
Speaker 2: for some parts of it anyway, But of a lock

1760
01:32:32,067 --> 01:32:34,227
Speaker 2: and load you just do you know, you do what

1761
01:32:34,267 --> 01:32:36,467
Speaker 2: you did earlier this year for next year. In terms

1762
01:32:36,507 --> 01:32:38,347
Speaker 2: of the way the bases are set up and and

1763
01:32:38,387 --> 01:32:39,267
Speaker 2: things like that.

1764
01:32:41,027 --> 01:32:41,787
Speaker 3: A little bit.

1765
01:32:42,067 --> 01:32:46,147
Speaker 24: Yeah, with the additional two teams. Obviously we'll need to

1766
01:32:46,187 --> 01:32:51,827
Speaker 24: extend the tech site, so looking at you know, crossing

1767
01:32:51,867 --> 01:32:54,787
Speaker 24: off over into the Hawsey Wolf around the vibacked events

1768
01:32:54,787 --> 01:32:58,947
Speaker 24: center area for the race stadium. Obviously, always looking at improvements,

1769
01:32:59,027 --> 01:33:01,347
Speaker 24: you know, how can we make this better for us spectators?

1770
01:33:01,387 --> 01:33:03,547
Speaker 24: How can we build on that fan experience, How can

1771
01:33:03,587 --> 01:33:08,547
Speaker 24: we get more people down there to experience? So yeah,

1772
01:33:08,747 --> 01:33:09,947
Speaker 24: always looking for improvements.

1773
01:33:09,987 --> 01:33:11,947
Speaker 2: Be good to have a New Zealand win too, wouldn't it.

1774
01:33:11,987 --> 01:33:13,907
Speaker 2: I know you can't impact that, but that'd be cool.

1775
01:33:14,787 --> 01:33:17,907
Speaker 24: That would be great. You know, I'm absolutely rooting for

1776
01:33:17,947 --> 01:33:21,427
Speaker 24: the boys, but yeah, we'll see Alex.

1777
01:33:21,467 --> 01:33:23,667
Speaker 2: Great to chat. This is excellent news. We can lock

1778
01:33:23,707 --> 01:33:26,347
Speaker 2: in the date for next year fourteen and fifteen February

1779
01:33:26,347 --> 01:33:28,467
Speaker 2: for sal GP back in Auckland. Really appreciate you.

1780
01:33:28,387 --> 01:33:30,747
Speaker 9: Taking the time for a chat then, thanks Jason, No.

1781
01:33:30,827 --> 01:33:33,707
Speaker 2: Thank you, Alex. Alex Cory there she's the event head

1782
01:33:34,147 --> 01:33:38,027
Speaker 2: for the New Zealand leg of sol GP February fourteen fifteen.

1783
01:33:38,547 --> 01:33:40,827
Speaker 2: Those are the dates. I haven't seen when ticket will

1784
01:33:40,867 --> 01:33:43,347
Speaker 2: go on sale, and I'm sure that will be in

1785
01:33:43,427 --> 01:33:46,027
Speaker 2: the not too just in future now that the dates

1786
01:33:46,027 --> 01:33:49,747
Speaker 2: have been confirmed, I'm going to start lobbying for doing

1787
01:33:49,827 --> 01:33:52,267
Speaker 2: the shows from down there as we did earlier this year.

1788
01:33:52,987 --> 01:33:55,987
Speaker 2: Great fun being down there, and the teams were just

1789
01:33:56,107 --> 01:33:58,827
Speaker 2: so good to deal with, not just the black fall,

1790
01:33:58,947 --> 01:34:01,147
Speaker 2: so you know, we basically got to chat to whoever

1791
01:34:01,187 --> 01:34:03,547
Speaker 2: we wanted to, but all of the teams they were

1792
01:34:03,627 --> 01:34:05,587
Speaker 2: quite happy to come and chat to us and our

1793
01:34:05,627 --> 01:34:08,787
Speaker 2: mobile student. So hopefully we can do that again in

1794
01:34:08,827 --> 01:34:12,747
Speaker 2: February of next year, just before we move Darren Basley

1795
01:34:12,787 --> 01:34:15,547
Speaker 2: shortly all whites Coach Formula One driver Lillia Lawson's had

1796
01:34:15,587 --> 01:34:19,027
Speaker 2: a solid first day getting to know the Red Bull

1797
01:34:19,107 --> 01:34:22,467
Speaker 2: Rings circuit ahead of the Austrian Grand Prix, which comes

1798
01:34:22,547 --> 01:34:26,747
Speaker 2: up in the early hours of Monday morning. Sixty five

1799
01:34:26,827 --> 01:34:29,907
Speaker 2: valuable laps in practice for the seventy one lap race,

1800
01:34:29,947 --> 01:34:33,427
Speaker 2: the fifteenth fastest time in practice one the twelfth quickest

1801
01:34:33,507 --> 01:34:37,467
Speaker 2: in practice to the McLaren's unsurprisingly set the pace then

1802
01:34:37,707 --> 01:34:41,187
Speaker 2: Red Bull King Max Forstappenham behind. Some interesting comments though

1803
01:34:41,227 --> 01:34:46,027
Speaker 2: from Laurent Mechez, who is the Racing Balls team's boss.

1804
01:34:46,267 --> 01:34:49,547
Speaker 2: He was asked afterwards for his assessment on Liam Lawson's

1805
01:34:49,827 --> 01:34:53,947
Speaker 2: progress in that car. Is getting there, is getting there.

1806
01:34:53,987 --> 01:34:54,587
Speaker 2: I think.

1807
01:34:55,947 --> 01:35:00,027
Speaker 10: If we see him improving every race, I think we

1808
01:35:00,147 --> 01:35:02,947
Speaker 10: now all agrees that jumping in a car mid season

1809
01:35:03,667 --> 01:35:05,907
Speaker 10: is going to be difficult, regardless of where you are

1810
01:35:06,027 --> 01:35:08,947
Speaker 10: on on the pit lane, and I think we have

1811
01:35:08,987 --> 01:35:10,627
Speaker 10: to give him time to get used to the car

1812
01:35:10,667 --> 01:35:12,787
Speaker 10: and to get confortable into it and to push it.

1813
01:35:12,867 --> 01:35:16,467
Speaker 10: What we see is that the speed is there. He

1814
01:35:16,547 --> 01:35:20,867
Speaker 10: may not yet putting it together when it matters in

1815
01:35:21,147 --> 01:35:23,227
Speaker 10: quality and the race, but we are trying everything we

1816
01:35:23,227 --> 01:35:26,027
Speaker 10: can to support him, and we see him doing that

1817
01:35:26,267 --> 01:35:28,107
Speaker 10: more and more. You have seen him Monaco.

1818
01:35:28,187 --> 01:35:29,827
Speaker 2: You put the guy in in Q three.

1819
01:35:30,547 --> 01:35:32,547
Speaker 10: You have seen here again this morning he went on

1820
01:35:32,587 --> 01:35:36,147
Speaker 10: the right with them straight away and uh and and

1821
01:35:36,907 --> 01:35:39,747
Speaker 10: equally I think there was ten cars in a tenth

1822
01:35:39,947 --> 01:35:42,147
Speaker 10: this morning. So you know, it's it's about getting the

1823
01:35:42,227 --> 01:35:45,107
Speaker 10: last bit when when it matters, and we are confident

1824
01:35:45,147 --> 01:35:45,947
Speaker 10: that we get there.

1825
01:35:46,027 --> 01:35:48,067
Speaker 2: There's the voice of Laurent and Mickey who is in

1826
01:35:48,147 --> 01:35:50,747
Speaker 2: charge of Racing Balls. He's the Racing Balls team boss.

1827
01:35:51,067 --> 01:35:54,787
Speaker 2: So qualifying tonight, the all important qualifying will be able

1828
01:35:54,787 --> 01:35:56,547
Speaker 2: to bring you those results as part of our news

1829
01:35:56,587 --> 01:35:59,467
Speaker 2: Talk Sports News tomorrow morning and then the race itself

1830
01:35:59,827 --> 01:36:04,147
Speaker 2: on Monday morning. Let's hope that Liam Lawson can can

1831
01:36:04,347 --> 01:36:09,227
Speaker 2: continue to do well. Lauren was quite quite cautious, wasn't.

1832
01:36:09,267 --> 01:36:12,427
Speaker 2: He's getting there. He's getting there, and it does take time, man,

1833
01:36:12,467 --> 01:36:15,707
Speaker 2: it takes time. Let's hope for big things from Liam

1834
01:36:15,747 --> 01:36:18,747
Speaker 2: Lawson in the next forty eight hours or so two

1835
01:36:18,827 --> 01:36:20,787
Speaker 2: twenty one when we come back. Actually text three here

1836
01:36:20,787 --> 01:36:22,587
Speaker 2: from Mike. I went to the last Auckland sal GP

1837
01:36:22,627 --> 01:36:25,667
Speaker 2: where I got a world class event that had Auckland buzzing.

1838
01:36:25,747 --> 01:36:29,067
Speaker 2: Kudos to the sale GP team that delivered this put

1839
01:36:29,067 --> 01:36:30,987
Speaker 2: our city on the map as well as creating a

1840
01:36:31,027 --> 01:36:34,867
Speaker 2: spectacular and exciting sporting event. Mike, I could not agree more.

1841
01:36:34,947 --> 01:36:37,827
Speaker 2: Absolutely brilliant event. I just hope that they find a

1842
01:36:37,827 --> 01:36:40,587
Speaker 2: way to make it annual. I'm hearing this. What's going

1843
01:36:40,627 --> 01:36:40,987
Speaker 2: to happen?

1844
01:36:41,067 --> 01:36:41,227
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1845
01:36:41,267 --> 01:36:45,147
Speaker 2: Here whispers around. Even producer Mark Kelly's got some inside information.

1846
01:36:45,627 --> 01:36:48,907
Speaker 2: He thinks he's heard that it's coming back well beyond

1847
01:36:48,987 --> 01:36:50,867
Speaker 2: next year. And let's hope that's the case. If they

1848
01:36:50,867 --> 01:36:53,427
Speaker 2: can find the money, if they could be an annual

1849
01:36:53,587 --> 01:36:58,027
Speaker 2: world class event in Auckland every year, why wouldn't you

1850
01:36:58,667 --> 01:37:01,147
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you? Two twenty one when we come back

1851
01:37:01,227 --> 01:37:02,907
Speaker 2: All Whites coach Darren Baisley with us.

1852
01:37:03,427 --> 01:37:06,387
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1862
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1869
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1870
01:38:03,987 --> 01:38:07,987
Speaker 2: All Whites will take on the Soccer Rustember over two games,

1871
01:38:08,187 --> 01:38:11,147
Speaker 2: one in Australia one here in New Zealand. The two

1872
01:38:11,227 --> 01:38:14,107
Speaker 2: nations have both qualified for next year's World Cup. They

1873
01:38:14,147 --> 01:38:17,667
Speaker 2: will play in Canberra on Friday, September the fifth, before

1874
01:38:17,667 --> 01:38:20,747
Speaker 2: the return match at go Media Stadium in Auckland on

1875
01:38:20,827 --> 01:38:24,827
Speaker 2: Tuesday September. The ninth All Whites coach Darren Baisley is

1876
01:38:24,867 --> 01:38:26,907
Speaker 2: with us. This doesn't have been very often, Bays. The

1877
01:38:26,907 --> 01:38:30,787
Speaker 2: All Whites have played Australia just five times since two

1878
01:38:30,827 --> 01:38:34,067
Speaker 2: thousand and six, only one of those in New Zealand.

1879
01:38:34,227 --> 01:38:36,307
Speaker 2: So how much you're looking forward to these two games?

1880
01:38:37,227 --> 01:38:37,387
Speaker 9: Oh?

1881
01:38:37,787 --> 01:38:40,427
Speaker 25: These are great games? You know any I think that

1882
01:38:40,547 --> 01:38:43,587
Speaker 25: keeps saying it about any New Zealand Australia sporting event

1883
01:38:43,707 --> 01:38:46,947
Speaker 25: and in any code is excited and it's going to

1884
01:38:46,947 --> 01:38:50,187
Speaker 25: be competitive. So yeah, bag games, great games for us.

1885
01:38:50,387 --> 01:38:52,387
Speaker 2: You look at the current fee for rankings and I

1886
01:38:52,427 --> 01:38:54,307
Speaker 2: know they only tell some of the story, but Australia

1887
01:38:54,347 --> 01:38:57,587
Speaker 2: are currently twenty sixth in the world, New Zealand eighty sixth.

1888
01:38:58,027 --> 01:39:00,387
Speaker 2: Do you feel though, as though you're in a position

1889
01:39:00,387 --> 01:39:02,427
Speaker 2: where you can push them even beat them in one

1890
01:39:02,547 --> 01:39:03,467
Speaker 2: or both of these games.

1891
01:39:03,827 --> 01:39:06,627
Speaker 25: Yeah, definitely. You know, obviously the ranking to what they are,

1892
01:39:07,107 --> 01:39:10,187
Speaker 25: but when you actually dig into the rankings and how

1893
01:39:10,187 --> 01:39:12,587
Speaker 25: you climb, it's actually really difficult for us to climb

1894
01:39:12,627 --> 01:39:14,827
Speaker 25: the rankings. With the games that we have, the sort

1895
01:39:14,867 --> 01:39:18,747
Speaker 25: of competition games that we have, we feel like we're

1896
01:39:18,827 --> 01:39:20,467
Speaker 25: you know, we're ranked a lot higher than where we

1897
01:39:20,627 --> 01:39:22,507
Speaker 25: where we should well we are, you know, we should

1898
01:39:22,547 --> 01:39:24,787
Speaker 25: be ranked a lot higher, and we gradually climb in

1899
01:39:24,827 --> 01:39:27,187
Speaker 25: you will probably get some more points from that last window.

1900
01:39:27,267 --> 01:39:29,507
Speaker 25: But I think we were starting to show you that

1901
01:39:29,547 --> 01:39:31,827
Speaker 25: we can compete with these teams around the sort of

1902
01:39:31,867 --> 01:39:34,347
Speaker 25: thirty forty to fifty era. You know, when we look

1903
01:39:34,347 --> 01:39:37,347
Speaker 25: at obviously Code Divoire recently that were ranked forty one,

1904
01:39:37,427 --> 01:39:40,027
Speaker 25: and Tunisia we're in the forties, Republic of Bylinberg in

1905
01:39:40,027 --> 01:39:42,947
Speaker 25: the thirties when we played them. You know, USA were

1906
01:39:42,987 --> 01:39:45,707
Speaker 25: ranked sixteen when we played them, and you we've sort

1907
01:39:45,707 --> 01:39:48,627
Speaker 25: of didn't get beaten. So we're starting to feel like

1908
01:39:48,627 --> 01:39:50,867
Speaker 25: we can definitely compete with these teams that have got

1909
01:39:50,867 --> 01:39:54,307
Speaker 25: these rankings and you know as pretty highly ranked. You know,

1910
01:39:54,347 --> 01:39:56,227
Speaker 25: they've done well over the last few years and they've

1911
01:39:56,227 --> 01:39:58,907
Speaker 25: got some good players, but great game for us, and

1912
01:39:58,947 --> 01:39:59,587
Speaker 25: we're excited.

1913
01:39:59,947 --> 01:40:01,867
Speaker 2: You're just back, of course from Canada where you took

1914
01:40:01,907 --> 01:40:05,347
Speaker 2: on Ivory Coast or when they're and Ukraine a narrow loss.

1915
01:40:05,387 --> 01:40:07,987
Speaker 2: With the benefit of some time to reflect on that

1916
01:40:08,147 --> 01:40:11,147
Speaker 2: particular window, how do you evaluate those two mats.

1917
01:40:11,947 --> 01:40:13,907
Speaker 25: Yeah, I think it was a really good step for us.

1918
01:40:13,987 --> 01:40:15,747
Speaker 25: You know, we we'd come off the back of playing

1919
01:40:15,787 --> 01:40:18,787
Speaker 25: a lot of games against OFC opposition, you know, where

1920
01:40:18,827 --> 01:40:21,347
Speaker 25: we were the highly ranked team and sort of the

1921
01:40:21,387 --> 01:40:24,187
Speaker 25: favorites for those games, and you know, we did our jobs,

1922
01:40:24,187 --> 01:40:26,707
Speaker 25: but they were different games to what we were you know,

1923
01:40:26,707 --> 01:40:28,267
Speaker 25: what we're going to face coming for the rest of

1924
01:40:28,307 --> 01:40:31,267
Speaker 25: the year and for those two Ivory Coasts and Ukraine games.

1925
01:40:31,347 --> 01:40:34,107
Speaker 25: So it was I was really interested going into it

1926
01:40:34,187 --> 01:40:36,267
Speaker 25: to see where we were, you know, because we've won

1927
01:40:36,307 --> 01:40:38,827
Speaker 25: a lot of games, and winning does become a habit,

1928
01:40:38,947 --> 01:40:40,787
Speaker 25: you know, it doesn't really matter who you're playing against

1929
01:40:40,787 --> 01:40:43,427
Speaker 25: at times. But yeah, we always felt like there were

1930
01:40:43,467 --> 01:40:46,667
Speaker 25: different games. It was like a start of a new chapter,

1931
01:40:47,027 --> 01:40:49,227
Speaker 25: you know, as we build to the World Cup. So

1932
01:40:49,307 --> 01:40:51,227
Speaker 25: it was exciting to see that we you know, we

1933
01:40:51,267 --> 01:40:53,747
Speaker 25: took our recent winning form and took that into a

1934
01:40:53,787 --> 01:40:56,827
Speaker 25: game against a better opposition and won a game, which

1935
01:40:56,907 --> 01:40:59,387
Speaker 25: was great. And I think that'll add real belief to

1936
01:40:59,427 --> 01:41:01,827
Speaker 25: the players that, you know, because we've got a really

1937
01:41:01,867 --> 01:41:05,027
Speaker 25: good group of players, and I just feel like they

1938
01:41:05,147 --> 01:41:07,507
Speaker 25: just needed that little bit of belief in themselves and

1939
01:41:07,547 --> 01:41:09,587
Speaker 25: each other that, you know, we can play these teams

1940
01:41:09,667 --> 01:41:12,707
Speaker 25: and win, and now we've sort of done that, hopefully

1941
01:41:12,747 --> 01:41:13,547
Speaker 25: we can move forward.

1942
01:41:13,627 --> 01:41:13,787
Speaker 17: You know.

1943
01:41:13,827 --> 01:41:17,187
Speaker 25: The Ukraine game, I thought it was a pretty good performance,

1944
01:41:17,347 --> 01:41:19,947
Speaker 25: you know, but even after the Coat of Voi win,

1945
01:41:20,107 --> 01:41:22,907
Speaker 25: we didn't get too carried away, didn't get too excited,

1946
01:41:23,227 --> 01:41:26,907
Speaker 25: you know, the players didn't because I know they think

1947
01:41:26,907 --> 01:41:29,507
Speaker 25: that there's a lot more from us to come. You know,

1948
01:41:29,587 --> 01:41:31,667
Speaker 25: we're still working on a lot of things, things we

1949
01:41:31,707 --> 01:41:33,747
Speaker 25: can do better. So we didn't get too carried away

1950
01:41:33,747 --> 01:41:36,707
Speaker 25: with that. But I think it definitely instilled some belief moving.

1951
01:41:36,507 --> 01:41:39,947
Speaker 2: Forward inside the playing group during that window. Did you

1952
01:41:40,067 --> 01:41:44,267
Speaker 2: sense a lift and intensity with World Cup qualification now

1953
01:41:44,307 --> 01:41:47,307
Speaker 2: secure in places on the plane to the World Cup

1954
01:41:47,347 --> 01:41:48,467
Speaker 2: now up for grabs?

1955
01:41:49,427 --> 01:41:52,027
Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean that, As you know, they are a

1956
01:41:52,107 --> 01:41:56,067
Speaker 25: great group of lads anyway, and they turn up for

1957
01:41:56,147 --> 01:41:58,907
Speaker 25: every window with that mindset. But yeah, I felt like

1958
01:41:58,947 --> 01:42:02,987
Speaker 25: there was definitely a sort of step change. We as

1959
01:42:02,987 --> 01:42:05,187
Speaker 25: staff felt like it was the start of a new chapter,

1960
01:42:05,227 --> 01:42:06,747
Speaker 25: and we talked about that a bit. You know, we

1961
01:42:06,867 --> 01:42:10,747
Speaker 25: were going from being the sort of hunted team to

1962
01:42:10,787 --> 01:42:13,467
Speaker 25: the hunters, you know, going from being the favorites to

1963
01:42:13,467 --> 01:42:17,427
Speaker 25: to you know, the lesser ranked team. And whilst the

1964
01:42:17,467 --> 01:42:21,267
Speaker 25: players don't like the tag underdog, you know, you know,

1965
01:42:21,347 --> 01:42:23,627
Speaker 25: other teams I think still sort of regard us that

1966
01:42:23,627 --> 01:42:26,307
Speaker 25: way a little bit because of our rankings. So it's

1967
01:42:26,307 --> 01:42:27,947
Speaker 25: fine for other teams to think that, you know, we

1968
01:42:27,947 --> 01:42:30,427
Speaker 25: don't see ourselves as underdogs anymore. You know, we see

1969
01:42:30,467 --> 01:42:33,147
Speaker 25: that we can compete with these teams and give them

1970
01:42:33,187 --> 01:42:33,747
Speaker 25: a good game.

1971
01:42:34,347 --> 01:42:38,307
Speaker 2: As these players, you know, look to press their claims

1972
01:42:38,347 --> 01:42:40,747
Speaker 2: to be part of your squad for the World Cup

1973
01:42:40,827 --> 01:42:43,267
Speaker 2: next year, what sort of messaging are you giving to

1974
01:42:43,347 --> 01:42:46,707
Speaker 2: them both when you're together in camp and during the

1975
01:42:46,747 --> 01:42:48,947
Speaker 2: times when they are with their clubs.

1976
01:42:50,267 --> 01:42:53,267
Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean it's it's no real different message to

1977
01:42:53,867 --> 01:42:56,467
Speaker 25: any other time that you know, all White coaches give players,

1978
01:42:56,507 --> 01:42:59,067
Speaker 25: you know, get yourself in the best environment, get yourself

1979
01:42:59,067 --> 01:43:01,627
Speaker 25: as fid as you can, need to be playing regularly,

1980
01:43:01,987 --> 01:43:03,347
Speaker 25: you know, and if you're not you need to look

1981
01:43:03,347 --> 01:43:06,507
Speaker 25: at options to secure playing time, you know, and then

1982
01:43:06,507 --> 01:43:10,227
Speaker 25: when you get opportunities within the windows, grab that opportunity perform,

1983
01:43:10,507 --> 01:43:13,307
Speaker 25: you know, because when we come to select a squads,

1984
01:43:14,227 --> 01:43:17,187
Speaker 25: there's so many different considerations that we look at. You know,

1985
01:43:17,627 --> 01:43:20,227
Speaker 25: how players have done with us, how much time they've

1986
01:43:20,227 --> 01:43:22,427
Speaker 25: spent with us in our environment, and how they've performed

1987
01:43:22,427 --> 01:43:24,347
Speaker 25: with us. But then what are they doing in their

1988
01:43:24,387 --> 01:43:27,187
Speaker 25: club environments and how are they progressing there? What level

1989
01:43:27,267 --> 01:43:32,427
Speaker 25: are they playing at? The form, the fitness, the partnerships,

1990
01:43:32,467 --> 01:43:35,187
Speaker 25: the position of flexibility, you know, all these sort of

1991
01:43:35,267 --> 01:43:38,587
Speaker 25: things going to selecting a squad. So what sort of

1992
01:43:38,587 --> 01:43:41,027
Speaker 25: sided players is you know, every day is an opportunity.

1993
01:43:41,107 --> 01:43:42,427
Speaker 25: You know, what you do at your club and in

1994
01:43:42,427 --> 01:43:44,547
Speaker 25: your own environment can help. What you do when you

1995
01:43:44,587 --> 01:43:47,627
Speaker 25: come in with us can help. And then we sort

1996
01:43:47,627 --> 01:43:50,187
Speaker 25: of put all that in the mix and pick the squads.

1997
01:43:50,707 --> 01:43:52,587
Speaker 2: There's a couple of players who have been regulars in

1998
01:43:52,627 --> 01:43:54,587
Speaker 2: your squads in the last couple of years who are

1999
01:43:54,667 --> 01:43:59,027
Speaker 2: as we speak today without a club. Matt Garbett, Ben Wayne.

2000
01:43:59,427 --> 01:44:02,187
Speaker 2: How important is it that those two in particular find

2001
01:44:02,507 --> 01:44:04,387
Speaker 2: a new home sometime soon?

2002
01:44:05,347 --> 01:44:08,347
Speaker 25: Yeah, it's very important. You know, these these two in particular,

2003
01:44:08,747 --> 01:44:10,787
Speaker 25: they've done very well with us, and they've done very

2004
01:44:10,787 --> 01:44:13,467
Speaker 25: well at previous sort of club environments, you know, over

2005
01:44:13,467 --> 01:44:16,667
Speaker 25: the last few years. So you know, the last couple

2006
01:44:16,707 --> 01:44:19,507
Speaker 25: of squads so much and June, you know, we we

2007
01:44:19,667 --> 01:44:21,987
Speaker 25: kept them. We kept selecting them, you know, based on

2008
01:44:22,107 --> 01:44:23,987
Speaker 25: what they've done with us, based on what they've done

2009
01:44:24,027 --> 01:44:27,107
Speaker 25: previously at at clubs. Whilst we knew they weren't getting

2010
01:44:27,147 --> 01:44:30,347
Speaker 25: as much game time recent game time as we wanted

2011
01:44:30,427 --> 01:44:33,427
Speaker 25: or they wanted, we sort of gave them that the

2012
01:44:33,467 --> 01:44:37,027
Speaker 25: benefit for that, that's not something that could carry on,

2013
01:44:37,307 --> 01:44:39,587
Speaker 25: you know for a long time. You know, they now

2014
01:44:39,707 --> 01:44:43,147
Speaker 25: know that they need to get back playing regularly at clubs.

2015
01:44:44,947 --> 01:44:48,427
Speaker 25: So yeah, I'm excited to see where those two land

2016
01:44:49,667 --> 01:44:51,747
Speaker 25: and some other players who are in the process of

2017
01:44:51,867 --> 01:44:53,867
Speaker 25: potentially moving as well. You know, we've just seen the

2018
01:44:53,907 --> 01:44:56,947
Speaker 25: Max krokerm move around, which is awesome, and Zeno's Security

2019
01:44:56,987 --> 01:44:59,067
Speaker 25: Club as well, which is great, and I think there'll

2020
01:44:59,107 --> 01:45:01,467
Speaker 25: be a few other sort of movements and it is

2021
01:45:01,507 --> 01:45:04,387
Speaker 25: a big year. Players sort of know that, and they

2022
01:45:04,507 --> 01:45:07,067
Speaker 25: all determined to put themselves in the best environment that

2023
01:45:07,227 --> 01:45:10,507
Speaker 25: can be to be selected. That's great for hear and

2024
01:45:10,507 --> 01:45:11,267
Speaker 25: it's great for us.

2025
01:45:11,587 --> 01:45:13,867
Speaker 2: Another player will ask about is Ryan Thomas. He hasn't

2026
01:45:13,867 --> 01:45:16,347
Speaker 2: played for New Zealand since the back end of twenty

2027
01:45:16,467 --> 01:45:19,507
Speaker 2: nineteen with a really unfortunate run of injuries. He is

2028
01:45:19,547 --> 01:45:23,067
Speaker 2: now back playing regularly in the Netherlands. Will you look

2029
01:45:23,307 --> 01:45:26,707
Speaker 2: at bringing him in for these matches against Australia.

2030
01:45:27,507 --> 01:45:29,627
Speaker 25: I mean, he's definitely a player where we talked to

2031
01:45:29,707 --> 01:45:33,027
Speaker 25: regularly and really interested him. He's a top, top player.

2032
01:45:33,347 --> 01:45:35,827
Speaker 25: So can you imagine bringing Ryan Thomas back into the group.

2033
01:45:35,827 --> 01:45:39,347
Speaker 25: It'll be like a new sign in that he's He's

2034
01:45:39,427 --> 01:45:42,347
Speaker 25: always said to me, like I've always felt that we'll

2035
01:45:42,347 --> 01:45:43,947
Speaker 25: see him in an a white shirt again. And he's

2036
01:45:43,947 --> 01:45:45,507
Speaker 25: always said to me he just needed to have a

2037
01:45:45,547 --> 01:45:49,827
Speaker 25: good six months with no injury setbacks, you know, and

2038
01:45:49,947 --> 01:45:52,627
Speaker 25: just get back playing before he would contemplate taking on

2039
01:45:52,747 --> 01:45:55,787
Speaker 25: any extra loading. He ended up last season, you know,

2040
01:45:55,867 --> 01:45:58,227
Speaker 25: played the last three months this season, you know pretty

2041
01:45:58,267 --> 01:46:02,507
Speaker 25: consistently feels good, you know, his injury free, and then

2042
01:46:02,547 --> 01:46:05,587
Speaker 25: this season stopped. So at this stage he sort of said,

2043
01:46:05,667 --> 01:46:08,027
Speaker 25: let me we go through pre season with the club,

2044
01:46:08,107 --> 01:46:10,627
Speaker 25: let me see how the season starts, and hopefully everything's

2045
01:46:10,667 --> 01:46:13,347
Speaker 25: in a really good place and we'll just keep talking

2046
01:46:13,387 --> 01:46:16,307
Speaker 25: and we'll keep looking at it. You know, weather september's

2047
01:46:16,387 --> 01:46:18,827
Speaker 25: too early, but you know we've got October and November

2048
01:46:19,027 --> 01:46:22,227
Speaker 25: has really good windows as well, which which could be opportunities.

2049
01:46:22,267 --> 01:46:24,907
Speaker 25: But I think we would all jump at the chance

2050
01:46:24,987 --> 01:46:27,427
Speaker 25: of bringing Ryan in. But it's it's really going to

2051
01:46:27,467 --> 01:46:28,267
Speaker 25: be on his terms.

2052
01:46:29,147 --> 01:46:31,387
Speaker 2: When is Alex Poulson going to get another game and goal.

2053
01:46:33,147 --> 01:46:36,507
Speaker 25: He's been really well Alex. You know, he's very young still.

2054
01:46:37,227 --> 01:46:39,147
Speaker 25: You know, he's sort of only had his two years

2055
01:46:39,147 --> 01:46:43,747
Speaker 25: really as a professional playing, had two great seasons and

2056
01:46:43,787 --> 01:46:44,707
Speaker 25: he's pushing Max.

2057
01:46:44,747 --> 01:46:44,907
Speaker 9: Now.

2058
01:46:45,107 --> 01:46:47,667
Speaker 25: You know Max. Max is a very good goalkeeper. You know,

2059
01:46:47,707 --> 01:46:50,067
Speaker 25: he's just secured and moved to the Championship, which is

2060
01:46:50,347 --> 01:46:53,067
Speaker 25: a really high level, which is going to test him.

2061
01:46:53,707 --> 01:46:57,787
Speaker 25: And someone never really put any anything wrong when he's

2062
01:46:57,827 --> 01:47:00,867
Speaker 25: been with us. So it's really difficult for goalkeepers to

2063
01:47:01,587 --> 01:47:04,427
Speaker 25: because they're not sort of that position where he takes

2064
01:47:04,427 --> 01:47:06,907
Speaker 25: somebody off and give someone twenty minutes, you know, like

2065
01:47:06,947 --> 01:47:10,387
Speaker 25: apple fielders get so so it's hard for goalkeepers. We

2066
01:47:10,507 --> 01:47:13,347
Speaker 25: keep talking to Alex every time he comes in. He's

2067
01:47:13,427 --> 01:47:14,267
Speaker 25: really good on toy.

2068
01:47:14,267 --> 01:47:15,147
Speaker 8: He pushes Max.

2069
01:47:15,187 --> 01:47:18,827
Speaker 25: He's a real professional. I think Max can feel him

2070
01:47:18,867 --> 01:47:21,187
Speaker 25: pushing as well, which probably has pushed Max to a

2071
01:47:21,227 --> 01:47:24,827
Speaker 25: new height as we saw in the last tour. Yeah,

2072
01:47:24,947 --> 01:47:28,107
Speaker 25: I mean I think it's competitive in that position, and

2073
01:47:28,107 --> 01:47:30,467
Speaker 25: I'm sure Alex will get an opportunity soon. You know,

2074
01:47:30,507 --> 01:47:33,267
Speaker 25: we now need to see what happens with him. He's

2075
01:47:33,267 --> 01:47:36,707
Speaker 25: going back to Bournemouth. Will he stay there? Will he

2076
01:47:36,867 --> 01:47:39,187
Speaker 25: go out and loan? You know where he'll end up. Well,

2077
01:47:39,427 --> 01:47:43,187
Speaker 25: we'll have an impact as well on us, So we'll

2078
01:47:43,227 --> 01:47:45,867
Speaker 25: wait and see how he goes. But yeah, he's doing great.

2079
01:47:46,267 --> 01:47:48,547
Speaker 25: I'm not I don't think we should be too worried

2080
01:47:48,627 --> 01:47:50,987
Speaker 25: right now that he's not getting game time with us.

2081
01:47:50,747 --> 01:47:52,107
Speaker 13: He's so young.

2082
01:47:52,307 --> 01:47:54,427
Speaker 2: All right, Well, you've got these two games in September,

2083
01:47:54,667 --> 01:47:57,627
Speaker 2: our game confirmed in the October window against world number

2084
01:47:57,627 --> 01:48:00,787
Speaker 2: thirty eight Norway, in reports of another game in that

2085
01:48:00,867 --> 01:48:04,107
Speaker 2: window against another European nation. Then there's windows in November

2086
01:48:04,667 --> 01:48:07,707
Speaker 2: and another one in March. Do you feel confident you'll

2087
01:48:07,707 --> 01:48:10,627
Speaker 2: get two matches in each of those two windows as well?

2088
01:48:11,307 --> 01:48:13,947
Speaker 25: Yeah, we'll definitely get we'll definitely get the full amount

2089
01:48:13,947 --> 01:48:17,507
Speaker 25: of games. We're still trying to confirm opposition, but we're

2090
01:48:17,787 --> 01:48:20,947
Speaker 25: again with those with those ones for October and November.

2091
01:48:21,147 --> 01:48:25,547
Speaker 25: We're really close to securing those extra three fixtures. I've

2092
01:48:25,587 --> 01:48:27,267
Speaker 25: got no doubt in my head that we'll definitely get

2093
01:48:27,307 --> 01:48:30,067
Speaker 25: the games. It's just just confirming the level of opposition

2094
01:48:30,187 --> 01:48:33,227
Speaker 25: and potentially they're all going to be top thirty teams

2095
01:48:33,227 --> 01:48:35,747
Speaker 25: in the world, which would be amazing against sort of

2096
01:48:35,747 --> 01:48:39,107
Speaker 25: different confederations as well. So if it all goes to plan,

2097
01:48:39,547 --> 01:48:43,147
Speaker 25: hopefully we'll get some release of those fixtures soon and yeah,

2098
01:48:43,187 --> 01:48:44,707
Speaker 25: they'll be exciting games.

2099
01:48:44,467 --> 01:48:46,307
Speaker 2: Good to hear. And I guess because you don't know

2100
01:48:46,307 --> 01:48:48,147
Speaker 2: who you're going to play at the World Cup till December,

2101
01:48:48,387 --> 01:48:50,267
Speaker 2: and there's only one window left after that, so it's

2102
01:48:50,307 --> 01:48:52,787
Speaker 2: not like you can tailor your your build up over

2103
01:48:52,827 --> 01:48:54,507
Speaker 2: the next twelve months to who you're going to be

2104
01:48:54,547 --> 01:48:57,107
Speaker 2: playing because you don't know yet. But is there a

2105
01:48:57,147 --> 01:49:00,547
Speaker 2: certain type of opponent that you're looking for as you

2106
01:49:00,627 --> 01:49:03,387
Speaker 2: hit towards the World Cup or is it more where

2107
01:49:03,427 --> 01:49:05,027
Speaker 2: they are ranked that is important?

2108
01:49:05,827 --> 01:49:06,027
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2109
01:49:06,107 --> 01:49:08,707
Speaker 25: Well, I mean right now, we've sort of said when

2110
01:49:08,707 --> 01:49:12,307
Speaker 25: we started planning the year ahead now early January February,

2111
01:49:12,467 --> 01:49:15,667
Speaker 25: looking towards qualification, we said for the rest of the year,

2112
01:49:15,667 --> 01:49:17,827
Speaker 25: we just wanted to be able to play against different

2113
01:49:17,867 --> 01:49:22,667
Speaker 25: oppositions from different confederations, so that you know, come the draw,

2114
01:49:23,147 --> 01:49:27,027
Speaker 25: you know we'll have had experience against African teams, against

2115
01:49:27,107 --> 01:49:31,427
Speaker 25: European teams, against Asian teams, and you know, conquer CAF

2116
01:49:31,467 --> 01:49:34,707
Speaker 25: common ball. So I think we're hopefully in a great

2117
01:49:34,747 --> 01:49:36,947
Speaker 25: place where you know, well we'll get to the draw

2118
01:49:36,987 --> 01:49:40,627
Speaker 25: and we will have had experience against most types of

2119
01:49:40,707 --> 01:49:43,467
Speaker 25: teams and then whatever the draw throws up, you know,

2120
01:49:43,507 --> 01:49:46,027
Speaker 25: it gives us the March window to try and get

2121
01:49:47,027 --> 01:49:50,467
Speaker 25: something similar for that window in the pre World Cups. Yes,

2122
01:49:50,627 --> 01:49:53,987
Speaker 25: an exciting time. You know, the draw in December is

2123
01:49:54,027 --> 01:49:56,347
Speaker 25: going to be amazing and that's where we find out

2124
01:49:56,427 --> 01:49:59,947
Speaker 25: who the who the positions are and we start planning.

2125
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Speaker 2: Looking forward to a full house at go Media on Tuesday,

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01:50:04,107 --> 01:50:06,787
Speaker 2: the ninth of September when the soccer undertown.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, it'd be amazing. I think it's great. You know,

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01:50:09,827 --> 01:50:13,187
Speaker 25: we played at Eden Park in March and that was great.

2129
01:50:13,187 --> 01:50:15,067
Speaker 25: But you know, to take this game to go Media,

2130
01:50:15,227 --> 01:50:17,987
Speaker 25: you know, at the home of Warkman and the fans

2131
01:50:18,027 --> 01:50:22,307
Speaker 25: that they've been get in here. The capacities there have

2132
01:50:22,387 --> 01:50:25,027
Speaker 25: been amazing, the atmosphere has been amazing, so I mean

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01:50:25,227 --> 01:50:28,547
Speaker 25: hopefully the portal come out and support us like they

2134
01:50:28,587 --> 01:50:32,307
Speaker 25: do Auckland and create the same sort of atmosphere that

2135
01:50:32,387 --> 01:50:35,387
Speaker 25: I'm sure Australia are going to love coming into, which

2136
01:50:35,387 --> 01:50:36,187
Speaker 25: would be pretty cool.

2137
01:50:36,267 --> 01:50:38,507
Speaker 2: Absolutely great to have these games locked and looking forward

2138
01:50:38,507 --> 01:50:40,267
Speaker 2: to us seeing he you go against the soccer who's

2139
01:50:40,547 --> 01:50:42,827
Speaker 2: in September. Always love catching up base Thanks for taking

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Speaker 2: the time.

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01:50:43,667 --> 01:50:45,507
Speaker 25: Now anytime paying great catch up me.

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01:50:45,627 --> 01:50:47,987
Speaker 2: No, great to chat Darren, Thanks indeed Darren. Basically All

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Speaker 2: Whites head coach so September trans Tasman double Header All

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01:50:53,227 --> 01:50:56,747
Speaker 2: White Soccer US Tuesday September nine is the game at

2145
01:50:56,747 --> 01:50:59,027
Speaker 2: go Media Stadium. Are the first games on the Friday

2146
01:50:59,067 --> 01:51:02,307
Speaker 2: night Friday September the fifth, that's the night before All

2147
01:51:02,307 --> 01:51:04,667
Speaker 2: Black Spring Boks at Eden Park. Isn't it? What a

2148
01:51:04,707 --> 01:51:09,187
Speaker 2: weekend that's going to be. So All Whites Soccer roo's

2149
01:51:09,227 --> 01:51:11,667
Speaker 2: on the Friday night in Canberra, then All Black spring

2150
01:51:11,707 --> 01:51:14,067
Speaker 2: Box Eden Park on the Saturday, and then hang around

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01:51:14,067 --> 01:51:16,707
Speaker 2: in Auckland for All White Soccer Roos Go Media Stadium

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01:51:16,747 --> 01:51:19,707
Speaker 2: on the Tuesday. How good. Hey, We're keeping our text

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01:51:19,707 --> 01:51:21,827
Speaker 2: lines open for a little bit longer for these Wrexham

2154
01:51:22,387 --> 01:51:26,947
Speaker 2: Phoenix tickets Wellington Phoenix Rexam AFC next month, sky Stadium

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01:51:27,027 --> 01:51:29,627
Speaker 2: July nineteen. To be precise, if you are in the

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01:51:29,667 --> 01:51:33,307
Speaker 2: Capitol or can get there, text the word win and

2157
01:51:33,387 --> 01:51:35,827
Speaker 2: your name to nine two nine two. As easy as that.

2158
01:51:36,107 --> 01:51:39,667
Speaker 2: Three double tickets to give away. We've got a huge

2159
01:51:39,747 --> 01:51:41,747
Speaker 2: number of texts already, so you know you've got to

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01:51:41,787 --> 01:51:43,787
Speaker 2: be into win, don't you. We'll draw and announce the

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01:51:43,787 --> 01:51:45,827
Speaker 2: winners just before the end of the show at three o'clock.

2162
01:51:46,307 --> 01:51:49,307
Speaker 2: Text win and your name to nine two ninety two

2163
01:51:49,347 --> 01:51:51,667
Speaker 2: to be in to win one of those double passes.

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01:51:52,267 --> 01:51:53,907
Speaker 2: We're going to take a break and stay on the

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Speaker 2: footballing theme. Auckland CITYFC are back from the Club World Cup.

2166
01:51:57,627 --> 01:51:59,027
Speaker 2: Their general manager Gordon Watson.

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01:51:59,107 --> 01:52:02,907
Speaker 1: Right after this the tough Questions off the Turf Weekend

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01:52:02,987 --> 01:52:07,187
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Kine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most

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01:52:07,227 --> 01:52:08,147
Speaker 1: trusted home builder.

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01:52:09,827 --> 01:52:12,267
Speaker 2: Eighteen away from three was the goal that was seen

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01:52:12,347 --> 01:52:14,067
Speaker 2: and heard around the world.

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01:52:16,467 --> 01:52:20,867
Speaker 20: It's not a bad running inside ol Clint City have

2173
01:52:21,187 --> 01:52:27,027
Speaker 20: their first goal at the FIFA Club World Cup. Christian Cray.

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Speaker 20: Were they thumping had up?

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Speaker 2: That's Auckland City FC defender Christian Gray, scoring the goal

2176
01:52:32,587 --> 01:52:35,307
Speaker 2: which earned his side a one all draw with Argentine

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01:52:35,347 --> 01:52:38,467
Speaker 2: giants Boker Juniors in their final pall match at the

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Speaker 2: expanded FIFA Club World Cup. The team is flying a

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01:52:41,747 --> 01:52:44,987
Speaker 2: home now Gordon Watson as general manager and joins US

2180
01:52:45,027 --> 01:52:48,107
Speaker 2: now hopefully not too jet lagged. How significant a result

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01:52:48,187 --> 01:52:52,107
Speaker 2: Gordon was that in the history of Auckland CITYFC.

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Speaker 11: Wow, Look, Jason, first of all, thanks for having me on.

2183
01:52:57,267 --> 01:52:57,467
Speaker 6: Look.

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Speaker 11: I think it was significant on a number of levels,

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01:52:59,707 --> 01:53:01,947
Speaker 11: not just within the history of the club, but I

2186
01:53:01,947 --> 01:53:05,107
Speaker 11: mean we're talking about a team that's sitting fourth in

2187
01:53:05,147 --> 01:53:09,467
Speaker 11: the Northern League. I mean that's fact. You know, a

2188
01:53:09,507 --> 01:53:13,867
Speaker 11: team from a regional league in New Zealand going up

2189
01:53:13,907 --> 01:53:17,947
Speaker 11: against not a football team, but a football institution with

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01:53:18,107 --> 01:53:20,987
Speaker 11: well over one hundred and fifty million US dollars. There's

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01:53:21,027 --> 01:53:26,227
Speaker 11: players in their team with great pedigrees, some of them

2192
01:53:26,227 --> 01:53:30,187
Speaker 11: earning three million US dollars a year. So yeah, I

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01:53:30,187 --> 01:53:32,587
Speaker 11: mean one one with a team like that, it's an

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01:53:32,627 --> 01:53:37,147
Speaker 11: incredible result. And it's perhaps more incredible given you know,

2195
01:53:37,187 --> 01:53:41,187
Speaker 11: the results of the first game, which was devastating. It

2196
01:53:41,227 --> 01:53:45,547
Speaker 11: doesn't matter who the opponent was. Nobody loses a game

2197
01:53:45,587 --> 01:53:48,267
Speaker 11: ten No one feels good about it, So you know,

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Speaker 11: all that credit belongs to our players and our coaching staff.

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Speaker 11: The character they showed and the resilience they show was amazing.

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Speaker 2: Very proud of them, I bet you are. We all are.

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Speaker 2: I saw a great clip from you. The world's football

2202
01:54:01,427 --> 01:54:03,667
Speaker 2: media picked up on the fact, of course, all of

2203
01:54:03,827 --> 01:54:07,027
Speaker 2: Auckland Cityfc's players had actual jobs. And the clip that

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01:54:07,107 --> 01:54:08,947
Speaker 2: you said was the goal was a corner from a

2205
01:54:08,987 --> 01:54:11,867
Speaker 2: barber headed in by a trainee teacher. You're yelling at

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01:54:11,867 --> 01:54:14,027
Speaker 2: a stockbroker to tell a realize that agent to pick

2207
01:54:14,067 --> 01:54:17,027
Speaker 2: up Edison Kevani. This is brilliant stuff from you. Do

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01:54:17,067 --> 01:54:19,107
Speaker 2: you think people realize how remarkable this is.

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Speaker 6: I'm not too sure.

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Speaker 11: I think globally, you know, we front loaded the communications

2211
01:54:27,587 --> 01:54:32,307
Speaker 11: plan very deliberately around the authentic stories individually of each

2212
01:54:32,347 --> 01:54:36,387
Speaker 11: of the players because it was very important first and

2213
01:54:36,427 --> 01:54:41,587
Speaker 11: foremost that we protect them with the facts when they

2214
01:54:41,627 --> 01:54:43,707
Speaker 11: go and play by Munich. You know, it could always

2215
01:54:43,947 --> 01:54:49,027
Speaker 11: have gone wrong, and it did, and so my thought

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01:54:49,027 --> 01:54:52,947
Speaker 11: process around that was, well, if it does go wrong,

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Speaker 11: we don't want to have them become victims of trolling

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01:54:57,867 --> 01:55:01,587
Speaker 11: and they won't deserve that. So how do we sort

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01:55:01,587 --> 01:55:05,187
Speaker 11: of counteract that, and so by being who they are,

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01:55:05,907 --> 01:55:10,147
Speaker 11: they earned you know, the admiration of people around the world.

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Speaker 11: I'm not so sure that's immediately the case in New Zealand.

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Speaker 11: I mean, if we're honest, you know, the club's success

2223
01:55:16,187 --> 01:55:20,987
Speaker 11: has you know, caused a perception of the club itself

2224
01:55:21,027 --> 01:55:23,667
Speaker 11: as you know, being maybe the Manchester City of New

2225
01:55:23,747 --> 01:55:26,387
Speaker 11: Zealand football in some ways, and so therefore you're always

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01:55:26,427 --> 01:55:30,267
Speaker 11: up there to be criticized. And despite that, you know,

2227
01:55:30,387 --> 01:55:34,347
Speaker 11: the facts speaks for themselves. The guys work, you know,

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01:55:34,547 --> 01:55:38,227
Speaker 11: and they pay rent and mortgages and all of that stuff,

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01:55:38,267 --> 01:55:42,347
Speaker 11: that normal stuff, and they go through suffering, you know, marriages,

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01:55:43,187 --> 01:55:46,947
Speaker 11: children as a positive, but then they have bereavements and illnesses,

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01:55:46,987 --> 01:55:49,867
Speaker 11: which is a negative side, and we get to see

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01:55:49,867 --> 01:55:52,747
Speaker 11: that all the time. And so I know how strong

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01:55:52,787 --> 01:55:56,387
Speaker 11: they are as people to do what they do, and

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01:55:56,427 --> 01:55:58,467
Speaker 11: what they did in that last game and in the

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01:55:58,507 --> 01:56:02,547
Speaker 11: first half of the Benfeaker game showed the world not

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01:56:02,587 --> 01:56:06,187
Speaker 11: only what we're capable of, but what teams and players

2237
01:56:07,067 --> 01:56:09,627
Speaker 11: are capable of in the Northern, Central and Southern League.

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01:56:09,707 --> 01:56:11,547
Speaker 11: Because if you look at the backgrounds of our players,

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01:56:11,547 --> 01:56:14,587
Speaker 11: they've all played for different clubs around the country at

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Speaker 11: different points, and you know we can all share a

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01:56:17,507 --> 01:56:18,827
Speaker 11: little bit of the success of that.

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Speaker 2: Can I just pick up on that point. Have you

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01:56:20,827 --> 01:56:23,587
Speaker 2: not felt great affection from the New Zealand football community

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01:56:23,627 --> 01:56:23,947
Speaker 2: after this?

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Speaker 11: Well we've been in America. I mean I only got

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01:56:28,427 --> 01:56:32,307
Speaker 11: home seven o'clock this morning, and you know, leading up

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01:56:32,307 --> 01:56:36,067
Speaker 11: to the Bayern Munich game, I haven't really had time

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01:56:36,107 --> 01:56:41,627
Speaker 11: to look at what the the reaction has been here.

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01:56:42,707 --> 01:56:44,867
Speaker 11: It's been more the global side of it, because that's

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Speaker 11: what we're dealing with every single day while we were there,

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01:56:48,147 --> 01:56:50,547
Speaker 11: and we're dealing with a football side of things. If

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01:56:50,587 --> 01:56:52,587
Speaker 11: you ask that question of a tileamis on you who's

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01:56:52,627 --> 01:56:55,027
Speaker 11: the media manager, maybe you give you a better answer

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01:56:55,067 --> 01:57:01,107
Speaker 11: than I could, simply because you've got to keep going

2255
01:57:01,147 --> 01:57:05,227
Speaker 11: every single minute every day at a World Cup to

2256
01:57:05,267 --> 01:57:08,387
Speaker 11: make sure everything is going right, whether that be operationally,

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01:57:08,467 --> 01:57:12,307
Speaker 11: whether that be in the administrative side, whether that be

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01:57:12,347 --> 01:57:16,627
Speaker 11: in the high performance elements, which could look like a

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01:57:16,627 --> 01:57:20,787
Speaker 11: whole raft of different things. By and large, from what

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01:57:20,827 --> 01:57:23,507
Speaker 11: I have seen, it has been positive. But I think Piney,

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01:57:23,667 --> 01:57:26,867
Speaker 11: you and I both know that you know the club

2262
01:57:26,947 --> 01:57:30,547
Speaker 11: is also successful domestically and so there's always a little

2263
01:57:30,587 --> 01:57:35,907
Speaker 11: bit of skeptics with it, and I'm not saying that's unusual,

2264
01:57:35,987 --> 01:57:38,347
Speaker 11: but it's also quite normal.

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Speaker 4: For that to happen.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, prize money. You earned six million dollars for participating,

2267
01:57:46,387 --> 01:57:50,587
Speaker 2: another one point six million for the drawer. Historically, some

2268
01:57:50,707 --> 01:57:53,427
Speaker 2: of that club World Cup prize money has gone to

2269
01:57:53,467 --> 01:57:56,147
Speaker 2: supporting the New Zealand football ecosystem. Hasn't just gone to

2270
01:57:56,147 --> 01:57:58,827
Speaker 2: the club. How much goes to who this time around?

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Speaker 11: Well, I'd love to be able to answer that, but

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01:58:02,507 --> 01:58:07,867
Speaker 11: unfortunately I can't because that is a topic that is

2273
01:58:08,707 --> 01:58:12,187
Speaker 11: sitting in mediation with New Zealand Football. There have been

2274
01:58:12,307 --> 01:58:16,427
Speaker 11: two meetings with the governing national governing body of the

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01:58:16,467 --> 01:58:21,307
Speaker 11: sport on the topic and we're no further forward on

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01:58:22,347 --> 01:58:26,067
Speaker 11: that at this present moment. My personal feeling is it

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01:58:26,067 --> 01:58:28,507
Speaker 11: would be nice for the player to receive something for

2278
01:58:28,947 --> 01:58:31,587
Speaker 11: all the hard work. They were the ones that you know,

2279
01:58:31,667 --> 01:58:36,107
Speaker 11: earned that result. So I guess we need a crystal

2280
01:58:36,107 --> 01:58:37,667
Speaker 11: ball to see what the outcome of that will be.

2281
01:58:38,427 --> 01:58:40,987
Speaker 2: So the fact that as a mediation obviously means that

2282
01:58:40,987 --> 01:58:46,707
Speaker 2: that there's some sort of dispute or or disagreement here.

2283
01:58:49,067 --> 01:58:50,867
Speaker 2: Shouldn't the players get some.

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01:58:52,827 --> 01:58:56,427
Speaker 11: Oh, well, look, you know that that will be something

2285
01:58:56,427 --> 01:59:00,547
Speaker 11: that emerges throughout the course of the process. I think

2286
01:59:01,627 --> 01:59:04,307
Speaker 11: I think it will be interesting to see which way

2287
01:59:04,347 --> 01:59:08,067
Speaker 11: that goes. I mean, the average fan around the world,

2288
01:59:08,507 --> 01:59:11,267
Speaker 11: I'm sure would have an opinion of that. I'm sure

2289
01:59:11,267 --> 01:59:13,627
Speaker 11: the competing clubs at the fee for Club World Cup

2290
01:59:13,667 --> 01:59:15,907
Speaker 11: would also have a perspective of it if they were

2291
01:59:15,947 --> 01:59:20,867
Speaker 11: in our position. I think that would be entirely human

2292
01:59:22,627 --> 01:59:25,107
Speaker 11: to look at it and think that the players deserve something.

2293
01:59:25,107 --> 01:59:28,587
Speaker 11: But what that ultimately ends up looking like is it's

2294
01:59:29,147 --> 01:59:30,747
Speaker 11: impossible to say at this point.

2295
01:59:31,347 --> 01:59:33,787
Speaker 2: You've been around football for a long time, You've watched

2296
01:59:33,787 --> 01:59:35,427
Speaker 2: football in all parts of the world, how are the

2297
01:59:35,427 --> 01:59:39,227
Speaker 2: emotions when Christian Gray's header hits the net?

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01:59:40,187 --> 01:59:46,147
Speaker 11: Bloody hell? Sorry, disbelieve. To be honest with you, I'll

2299
01:59:46,187 --> 01:59:50,907
Speaker 11: tell you why. The Benfiker game that the break for

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01:59:50,947 --> 01:59:53,667
Speaker 11: the weather was two hours and twenty five minutes or

2301
01:59:53,667 --> 01:59:57,187
Speaker 11: two hours forty something like that, and it broke the momentum,

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Speaker 11: completely broke the momentum of where we had been at.

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Speaker 11: Plus we had had the penalty Kirck awarded eight minutes

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02:00:05,587 --> 02:00:07,707
Speaker 11: into a time I think at the end of the

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02:00:07,707 --> 02:00:11,467
Speaker 11: first half we'd had tongs, you come off with the concussion,

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Speaker 11: and then all the drama of bats and by the

2307
02:00:14,387 --> 02:00:17,187
Speaker 11: time we came back out for the second half, you

2308
02:00:17,227 --> 02:00:22,747
Speaker 11: know that grip we had on the match slipped and

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02:00:22,827 --> 02:00:26,547
Speaker 11: then you know Benfiker with Benfica, and so when Christians

2310
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Speaker 11: called the goal and it had the back of the

2311
02:00:29,587 --> 02:00:33,627
Speaker 11: net and he started his typical Christian gray subdues.

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Speaker 4: Whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I was just I thought, was that a goal?

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02:00:39,947 --> 02:00:41,467
Speaker 11: And then I looked at the linesman, and then I

2315
02:00:41,467 --> 02:00:43,027
Speaker 11: looked at the referee, and I was looking at the

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02:00:43,027 --> 02:00:45,907
Speaker 11: screen for var or something to come up, and it

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Speaker 11: just stuck. And then I was just sitting there dumbfound it.

2318
02:00:52,347 --> 02:00:56,067
Speaker 11: Actually people around me were fully enjoying it. But maybe

2319
02:00:56,107 --> 02:00:58,187
Speaker 11: I don't have the luxury as a gym to do that.

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Speaker 11: And I just thought, Okay, we're won one. How long

2321
02:01:03,787 --> 02:01:06,947
Speaker 11: ago we had plenty of time for them to come back.

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02:01:07,067 --> 02:01:11,427
Speaker 11: But in Fika, we were beating Bayern Munich and we'd

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02:01:11,467 --> 02:01:14,427
Speaker 11: had our own break and we had adapted better as

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02:01:14,467 --> 02:01:16,227
Speaker 11: a result of having gone through it once before, and

2325
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Speaker 11: Boka hadn't been through it, so knowing that their fans

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02:01:20,187 --> 02:01:22,587
Speaker 11: are very passionate and that can be an asset. Also

2327
02:01:22,707 --> 02:01:24,707
Speaker 11: know that that can be a burden when it's not

2328
02:01:24,787 --> 02:01:25,267
Speaker 11: going right.

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Speaker 4: And then it all.

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Speaker 11: Started to head towards that. That moment I thought, you know,

2331
02:01:29,787 --> 02:01:32,147
Speaker 11: we could end up picking up a point or better.

2332
02:01:34,227 --> 02:01:36,867
Speaker 11: And then we had to go through the terrifying prospect

2333
02:01:36,907 --> 02:01:41,067
Speaker 11: of the handball as well, which I didn't get a

2334
02:01:41,107 --> 02:01:44,227
Speaker 11: good look at and I felt too one that's possibly that.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, Christian's goal was brilliant and that couldn't happen

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Speaker 11: to a better guy. You know, he's been through a

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Speaker 11: lot as well, with injuries and one of them being

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Speaker 11: having vertigo for a little period and.

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Speaker 4: We went quite sure what that was.

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Speaker 11: But you know, he proved something that you can dream

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Speaker 11: about coming through our system and the pyramid, having an opportunity.

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Speaker 11: Christmas even had been a wide or a professional and

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Speaker 11: he scored a goal at a World Cup.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't get better.

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Speaker 2: Than that, Indeed, it doesn't. Congratulations to you and everybody involved, Gordon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, mate, Hoping you get some sleep

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Speaker 2: and get the body clock back in the right place.

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Speaker 2: Always good to catch up. Thanks for your time, man, Yes,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much. Take care Gordon Watson, general manager

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Speaker 2: of Auckland City FC. Eight to three News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Four and Alfter three, that's us if you're a winner

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Speaker 2: of the double pass or one of the three double

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Speaker 2: passes to go and see the Phoenix against Wrexham. Mark

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Speaker 2: Kelly will be in touch, Tim Beverage after three. Don't

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Speaker 2: and two and the honor of the exit song to

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Speaker 2: producer Mark Kelly, what have we gone with this afternoon? Mate?

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Speaker 15: Well?

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Speaker 22: The pine Man this day in music in nineteen seventy seven,

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Speaker 22: the great Olph from John He achieved a lifelong ambition

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Speaker 22: when he became the chairman of What What for Football Clubs.

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Speaker 22: He's a bit of rocket man to finish Saturday show

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Speaker 22: for you, bine man, tremendous senamark.

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Speaker 20: And I think it's gonna be a long long time.

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Speaker 7: To dun down.

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Speaker 2: Brings me around and can do fine. Man.

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Speaker 5: I think I am an.

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Speaker 2: Rocket man.

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Speaker 20: And I think it's gonna be a long long time

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Speaker 20: to dunk Down, bring me.

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