1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: global exposure like no other. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 2: Mike Munroe, former chief of Staff to just doing, David 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: Farraki we blog and Curi Ipposter with US High Lads. Mike, 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: was there anything Toby said that you thought, well, madness, 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: absolute madness. 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was getting a wee bit carried away. I thought, 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 3: you know, this is a this is a planetary issue. 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 3: It's an existential threat to all of us. And I 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 3: think that, you know, while he finds some of this 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: report extreme, people have to be told the extent of 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: the problem and the risks we all face. You know, 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 3: until we get the public on side with the threat 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: that climate change causes, we're not going to change anything. 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: And so yes, there will be some extreme rhetoric from 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 3: time to time, but it's sort of necessary to ram 17 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: home the extent. 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 4: Of the problem. 19 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 5: David, what do you think. 20 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 4: There was a wee behome agreed with? There? Not most 21 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: of it, because I think what gets ignored is the 22 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 4: reality we do like selling our food overseas as well 23 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 4: as to us, but if we're not doing our bit, 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 4: there will be protectionist barriers go up. People will say Nope. 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 4: If you're not doing anything, we're not going to buy 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 4: from you, and that's going to hurt the rural sector. 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 4: Two where I think he is right is we can't 28 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 4: rely on just planting trees because here's the problem. Heather 29 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 4: pine trees last for a few years. Carbon and the 30 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 4: environment lasts for somewhere between eight hundred to two thousand years, 31 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 4: and you just can't reduce you know, you can't lock 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 4: them up for two thousand years the land. So we 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 4: do it. You have a pretty hard conversation about how 34 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 4: do we reduce emissions because just planting trees isn't really 35 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 4: going to be a long term solution. 36 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: Those protection of barriers, David, that you were talking about 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: is that in the EU agreement. 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 4: The EU especially has shown that that. 39 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 5: And what are our agreements of what other agreements have 40 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 5: those protectionist barriers? 41 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 4: Well, it's not so much that there's both what governments 42 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 4: may do, but there's also consumer The. 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 2: Consumer thing is a fallacy, it doesn't happen, So it's 44 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: just the EU agreement. 45 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 5: And the EU agreement sucks anyway for our productive sector. 46 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 5: So who cares. 47 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't want to be the one country in 48 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 4: the sort of developed world, especially who's not seen to 49 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 4: be pulling your. 50 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: Well, we're not going to be, are we, David, because 51 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: the US is going to pull out all together, so 52 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: it's gonna be two of us. 53 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 4: But well, no, that's true, but the US is a 54 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 4: big country. It can't be bate. We can be Yeah, 55 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 4: fair enough. 56 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 5: Hey, Mike, what do you make of the call for 57 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 5: Una Jegozi to lose her job? 58 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: Well, look, this is a really sad and there's a 59 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: pems here today. It's a horrific issue and it's a 60 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 3: heartbreaking issue. Look, I think it's about time that somebody 61 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 3: in government or the top of the public sector in 62 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: this country put their hand up into responsibility for an 63 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: issue like this. We're very good in this country at 64 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: ducking responsibility, and it would it'd be a really powerful 65 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 3: gesture if actually offered her resignation. Now it would come 66 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: down to the government, to the minister whether or not 67 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: they accept it, and they accept or reject as appropriate, 68 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 3: but just the offer of resignation would be sort of 69 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 3: signed from the highest levels that these issues are just 70 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 3: appalling and traumatizing and shocking and that something is going 71 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 3: to change. As I say, we model ourselves on the 72 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: Westminster model is the style of government, and under that model, 73 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 3: the buck normally stops with the minister. But it's not 74 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 3: all part of our culture like it is in the 75 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: UK and elsewhere. Yeah, and so I think it would 76 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 3: be a powerful gesture if she at least offered to. 77 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: Go the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate 78 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: the marketing of your home. 79 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 5: Back of the huddle. 80 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: Mike Munroe, David Farrett, David, I can understand the idea 81 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 2: of making somebody accountable like Una Jugosi, but the only 82 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: reservation I have is that she was acting in the 83 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: crown space interest, which is her job. So it seems 84 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: unfair maybe to make her responsible. And also if you 85 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: go for a quick fix like that, you get satisfied, 86 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: walk away and don't actually fix the actual problem. Potentially, 87 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: what do you think I'm going to. 88 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 4: Both defend and condemn her? Are you the thing that 89 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: she shouldn't resign over this because she wasn't just saying 90 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: his chief of government agency, but she's the lawyer for 91 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 4: the government. Her job was to do what the clients say. 92 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: Don't blame the lawyer, you need to blame the people 93 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 4: who instructed the lawyer. So in that regard, I don't 94 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: think she should reside. I don't think she should reside 95 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: for her prosecution guidelines, which were terrible. 96 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can agree with you on that, but that once. 97 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 4: She is responsible for she wrote them. They're awful taken back. 98 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 4: But no, on this one, I think you have to 99 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 4: be careful about leaking the clients escape responsive for the lawyer, 100 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: the why, the public service, the ones who actually ran 101 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 4: the institutions, that's where I think you want to see 102 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 4: more of their accountability. 103 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you think, Mike, doesn't that make sense? I mean, 104 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: you need to go after the people who are actually 105 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: responsible for this. 106 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. True, But it's the people at the top of 107 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 3: her ultimately responsible, isn't it. You know, I'm an important 108 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: thing here is like David says, it's about redress and 109 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: doing something about it. But sometimes in politics, you know, 110 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: gestures are important, and there's people here who feel really 111 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: aggrieved that you know that Juggo's aggressively through everything at 112 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 3: legal challenges to try and shut them up, and at 113 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: the end, she is at the top of the tree 114 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 3: and she's responsible. So that's that's why I maintained that 115 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: you know, we have to demonstrate to those survivors that 116 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: we've heard them and we take this very seriously. And 117 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 3: a resignation is offered and it'll probably be declined by Collins, 118 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: and that's fine, but performance of offering is important. 119 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, Literisen, David, I am coming around, especially after the 120 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: story about the truck and the KINDI and the stuff 121 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: that's gone on with eleven year old killed at a 122 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: school with cars going too fuss and stuff. I'm coming 123 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: around to the idea of dropping the speed limits around kids, 124 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 2: even if it inconveniences us a wee bit. Am I 125 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: going mad? 126 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 4: You're not getting mad? But depends what you mean by 127 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 4: around kids around schools. Absolutely, But if you're saying every 128 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 4: residential road in New Zealand must be done to three here, cas, 129 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 4: then I think you are gain about man. I think 130 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 4: at the end, you know it has to be what's suitable. 131 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 5: But how do we make our neighborhood safe? David? 132 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: How do we You've got little kids, how do you 133 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: make them safe so that you feel comfortable about sending 134 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: the dudes out on their bikes? 135 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 4: Well, actually, it's more about the quality of the road 136 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 4: than about the speed they go. Out either at here 137 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 4: or fifty k's there is danger there. So I think 138 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 4: it's actually comes back to what's appropriate for that road. 139 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 4: The thing is a lot most residential roads, he k 140 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 4: is fine, but they're feeder roads and they're the roads 141 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: that get everyone into the main highways, et cetera. Then 142 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: you came to have real congestion effects from that. So 143 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 4: some suburban roads, absolutely all of them. 144 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 5: Know, Mike, what do you think? 145 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? I tend to agree that this is not one 146 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 3: of those areas where you know, one one size fit's all, 147 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: one rule fit's all. It's got to come down to 148 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 3: the sort of built up nature of the area, the 149 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: quality of the road around schools, cleaning it's important. But 150 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: you know all the data and all the science shows. 151 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 5: Sorry, Mike, you do the dishes. 152 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 4: I am cooking dinner because I has COVID, so I've 153 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: got the kids, so I am actually cooking around. They 154 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 4: all multitasking. 155 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: It is fine. 156 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 4: Cherizo and pumpkin risotto. 157 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 5: How old are they? 158 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: How old are the kids? 159 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 5: Yes? 160 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 4: Not the tomorrow old tomorrow. 161 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 5: That is impressive, there's, Mike. That is a good palette 162 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 5: for a five year old, isn't it. 163 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: I'm very impressed. Yeah, I've got I've got I've got 164 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: grandkids and they're only very little. But but yeah, you're 165 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: you're setting a high standard for the for me, for 166 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: the future there. 167 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, geez. 168 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: I got to tell you what. I tried to snick 169 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: a Carbonara in the in the dude the other day 170 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: and he flat out he said to me, I don't 171 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: like it. I like bolannais so. 172 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 4: They all love thank god. The younger one. We did 173 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 4: take to a buffet dinner the other day and you know, 174 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 4: you've got fifty dishes to choose from here, you had 175 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 4: twelve bread rolls. 176 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 5: And the people, the people charging you for that, were like, 177 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 5: this is the best deal ever. Yes of bread. 178 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: Guys, listen, thank you as always really appreciate the pair 179 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: of you. That's Mike Monroe and David Farret a Hudle 180 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: this evening. 181 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 182 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: news Talk sai'd Be from four pm weekdays, or follow 183 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.