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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be thank you for your messages.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 2: When things are difficult for the parents, the children absorb

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Speaker 2: the stress to their detriment.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 2: We get by by my wife and I each working

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Speaker 2: four days a week, daycare for three days a week.

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Speaker 2: That way we have a day solo and weekends together.

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Speaker 2: That's great. I mean, this is the thing. I think

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Speaker 2: each individual family needs to come up with their own

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Speaker 2: kind of solution, right, and people obviously make it work.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not convinced that necessarily society makes it easy

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Speaker 2: for families. I just think we could maybe design things

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Speaker 2: so that it made it just just a little bit

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Speaker 2: simpler AND's not non agreement, though, Jack, please stop winging

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Speaker 2: about what everyone knows already AND's not exactly solutions oriented

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Speaker 2: this morning, that's right, only two If you want to

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Speaker 2: send us a message eighteen past nine on News Talks,

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Speaker 2: he'd be Kevin Milne is with us this morning, killder

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Speaker 2: Kevin Kyoder.

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Speaker 3: Of course, I brought up my kids were bubbly in

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Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties, and I just my wife didn't didn't

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Speaker 3: or I won't say it didn't work. She wasn't employed

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Speaker 3: right through the whole time of our four kids we

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Speaker 3: brought up. Yeah, and that was based on the fact

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Speaker 3: that I decided to go out there and trying in

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Speaker 3: as much money as I could, which obviously you do

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Speaker 3: as well. And and and it must be it must

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Speaker 3: be possible for you, at least for one of you

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Speaker 3: not to work. Of course, there comes a hell of

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Speaker 3: a discussion in your case, where both of you are journalists,

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Speaker 3: and very good journalists, who actually who actually stays at

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Speaker 3: home and who doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm in the position where I'm pretty privileged, right,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know if I necessarily chase the most

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Speaker 2: money I possibly could. You know, I'm not not sure

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Speaker 2: that i'd be working in journalism these days if there

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Speaker 2: were the case. But you know, I just think that

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Speaker 2: we are relative to so many families, we are really

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Speaker 2: in a good place, and we're very lucky and privileged

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Speaker 2: and things. And I just imagine how it must be

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Speaker 2: for so many other families, you know, who don't have

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Speaker 2: the same kind of the same kind of income that

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Speaker 2: I have, or the same kind of support that we have.

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Speaker 2: You know, I just imagine it's so much trickier, and

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Speaker 2: you know, like you, Kevin, when I was so, I'm

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Speaker 2: the oldest of four, and my dad worked part time

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Speaker 2: and he studied, you know, while we were at school

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Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. But and my parents were

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Speaker 2: kind of able to make that work, and my mum

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Speaker 2: was working full time. But and you know, I had

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Speaker 2: lots of friends who had a parent at home for

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Speaker 2: most of the time. But you just I just don't

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Speaker 2: know that you can that many families can do that

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Speaker 2: these days if they want to have that sort of

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Speaker 2: reasonable middle class lifestyle that so many of us aspire to.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not sure that it's the same option that

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Speaker 2: it was a few decades ago.

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Speaker 3: So it's the cost of housing jacket. Yeah it is,

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Speaker 3: don't you think? Largely?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: And yet still I see the sort of celebratory note

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Speaker 3: when we fight, when we hear that maybe house prices

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Speaker 3: may finally be going up again, and eyes me nuts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting gay anyway, Kevin, you want to

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Speaker 2: talk about an iconic old directory this morning?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, My wife Linda and I were talking about the

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Speaker 3: old paper phone books during the week. Our discussion sort

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Speaker 3: of went around, would you want your name and address

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Speaker 3: in a phone book if if one became available to

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Speaker 3: everybody again at some stage, because it never seemed a

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Speaker 3: problem in the past, the issues of privacy. But I

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Speaker 3: don't think. I can't remember anybody complaining that their name

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Speaker 3: being in the phone book it was a privacy breach.

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Speaker 3: Though here set out to put everybody to see was

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Speaker 3: your phone number, your name and your address. Those you know,

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Speaker 3: they were a great way to find people, find out

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Speaker 3: where they lived, et cetera. But would we want that now?

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Speaker 3: Then we got on to do paper phone books actually

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Speaker 3: still excess there's a lot of completing information about it online.

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Speaker 3: I gave Yellow a call. It's the firm that took

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Speaker 3: over ownership of the phone books, and yes you can

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Speaker 3: still wring them up and purchase a phone book no cost.

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Speaker 3: I suspect very few people do, especially the white paper

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Speaker 3: phone book. I saw an oldish figure from two thousand

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Speaker 3: and fifteen which said white pages in Auckland had dropped

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Speaker 3: down to twenty three thousand copies. So very few indeed.

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Speaker 3: But then, in our discussion a very odd subject a

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Speaker 3: rose check, Linda asked me if I remembered the time

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Speaker 3: some workers drew some tiny cartoon like images banksy style

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Speaker 3: of male genitalia on what must have been the final

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Speaker 3: proof of the Yellow Pages before it went out. They

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Speaker 3: went discovered till the Yellow Pages were delivered to every

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Speaker 3: home in the country. It became a national issue. It

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Speaker 3: was so funny. Do you remember this yet? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Half the country was pouring through the Yellow Pages

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Speaker 3: trying to find these drawings. Eventually the page number got

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Speaker 3: out and we were all talking about these phallic drawings

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Speaker 3: in the phone book. I wish we'd get the copy.

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Speaker 3: But the interesting thing I could find absolutely no reference

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Speaker 3: to this online. So on what I'm asking really, if

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Speaker 3: any listeners still have a copy of that drawing they

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Speaker 3: had the foresight to keep it. We'd love a copy

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Speaker 3: to frame. We are very childish in this house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty amazing. It's incredible to think what a role

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Speaker 2: those books played just a couple of year, a couple

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Speaker 2: of decades ago. I'm frankly stunt Kevin that twenty three

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Speaker 2: thousand are still necessary and awkward.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say probably that's well down still. Remember

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Speaker 3: we're talking about twenty fifteen that was that. Yeah, but yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, it's I mean, yeah, it'd be interesting

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Speaker 2: to see what the numbers are today. I just I

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Speaker 2: don't think I want my address publicly available and the

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Speaker 2: phone today to give No.

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Speaker 3: I hardly any of us would I think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Maybe Yeah. The other odd thing I reckon, there's why

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Speaker 3: did phone books not just switch over and carry people's

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Speaker 3: cell phone numbers? Yeah I don't. Yeah, I don't quite

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Speaker 3: get that. No, No, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Very good. Hey, thank you very much, Kevin. Have

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Speaker 2: a goat weekend and we will catch again very soon.

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Speaker 2: And thank you for your text this morning. Jack says Mike.

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Speaker 2: I've worked two jobs for twenty years.

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Speaker 3: Easy.

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Speaker 2: If you've got something to work for, how you look

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Speaker 2: speaking to the converted there, I been working six days

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Speaker 2: a week for thirteen years now or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 2: After World War II, having one parent at home was

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Speaker 2: less about income and more about time. After all, washing

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Speaker 2: machines I needed half the job. Clothes needed hand washing.

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Speaker 2: There were real nappies, no dryers, no dishwashes, no plastic

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Speaker 2: bags to keep your meat and veggies fresh, tiny fridges

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Speaker 2: or no fridges at all, etcetera. Says Bill. It's a

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Speaker 2: good point, Bill, Jack. Please give a thought to single

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Speaker 2: parents in the struggle they have You think it's hard

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Speaker 2: having a two parent, two income household. My children are

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Speaker 2: twenty five and twenty three. No maternity leaf back then,

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Speaker 2: no work from home options back then, no parental leaf payments.

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Speaker 2: It's tough now, but we've come a long way. Is

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Speaker 2: this is my point, one hundred percent. I can only

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Speaker 2: imagine how difficult it is for some households. It must

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Speaker 2: be really, really tricky. Jack, stop going on about how

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Speaker 2: much you earn, talk about self indulgent. I can't win,

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Speaker 2: can I. I'm not laying I earned crazy amounts of money.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm aware that it must be a

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Speaker 2: whole lot harder for a whole lot more families. But

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Speaker 2: thank you for that.

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