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Speaker 1: New rules for pig farmers. Sales will now spend time

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Speaker 1: and creates less time, I should say, and creates a

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Speaker 1: limit on mating stools and an increased space for growing

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Speaker 1: pigs by thirteen percent. It'll make our standards amongst the

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Speaker 1: highest in the world. Farmers get a ten year window

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Speaker 1: to adjust to this. But what about the cost and

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Speaker 1: the practicality? Brink classes with me, ended Pork's CEO Bran

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning, Brent. Good to have you on

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: Morning Ryan, How are you very well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? So what the do you have you worked

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Speaker 1: out what this might cost the industry, what the added

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Speaker 1: cost might be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's going to be a lot. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of physical changes need to happen on farm.

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Speaker 2: There'll be some farmers that are looking at especially the

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Speaker 2: space requirements and realizing they're going to have to rip

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Speaker 2: out a lot of buildings, maybe even build new ones.

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Speaker 2: But overall it's something that pig industry recognizes needs to happen.

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Speaker 2: The position that government's come to on welfare is, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's going to put us up there with the best

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Speaker 2: in the world. So the science is backing the positions

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Speaker 2: they've come to. The hardb is the cost.

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Speaker 1: Yes, what is the science telling you about the welfare

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Speaker 1: of the animal?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, far and creates provide piglet protection during

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Speaker 2: the most vulnerable days of the piglet's life. They're specifically

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Speaker 2: designed to reduce the main causes of piglet death, you know, starvation, hypothemia,

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Speaker 2: all those horrible things being crushed by the sour itself.

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Speaker 2: And so whilst we have been using them for up

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Speaker 2: to four weeks after the sour gives birth, the science

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Speaker 2: shows that actually it's just that first four days that

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Speaker 2: it has the most effect, and after that we're able

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Speaker 2: to buggets take care of the piglet's needs without the

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Speaker 2: need for the sow to be so confined. So most

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Speaker 2: of the rest of the world, in fact, countries come

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Speaker 2: into that send pork to New Zealand and I can listen,

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Speaker 2: you know, USA, Canada, Spain, Australia, Yllands, Poland, Ireland, UK, China, Italy, Belgium,

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Speaker 2: all of them seen pork products or pork to New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: and all of them have no restriction on the Usafarian

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Speaker 2: cras or any confinement at all. So we're up there

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Speaker 2: with the best of the world. But we've just got

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Speaker 2: to figure out this real issue of leveling the playing

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Speaker 2: field against imports.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is the problem, right because we import. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in terms of what you produce as an industry, how

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Speaker 1: much of it is it exported versus stays here?

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Speaker 2: Almost zero gets exported.

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Speaker 1: Right, So you're competing now with countries who've got much

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Speaker 1: lower standards. Therefore it's going to be cheaper.

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Speaker 2: How do you do?

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Speaker 1: How do you compete?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty percent of what people eat here is imported.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of the countries that actually are I

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Speaker 2: guess close to or on some respects considered to have

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Speaker 2: more stringent standards than New Zealand. There's only about three

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Speaker 2: of them. Sweden, Switzerland, Norway are really good examples. They've

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Speaker 2: got significant government subsidization. Up to sixty percent of Norway's

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Speaker 2: farm income on pig farms is government funded. And New

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Speaker 2: Zealand that's what we're competing with, and they don't have

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Speaker 2: imports coming in either.

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Speaker 1: Right, So what do you do then? Do we have

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Speaker 1: some kind of import standard that they need to meet

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Speaker 1: from animal welfare.

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Speaker 2: That would be ideal, though we've got trade considerations that

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the government's very worried about. I think if

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Speaker 2: consumers were able to make better choices, if they were

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Speaker 2: able to see labeling and information about where their port's

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Speaker 2: coming from a lot clearer and stores, that would really

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Speaker 2: help it. Give people the choice, and in the retailers

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Speaker 2: and those that use pork products in New Zealand making

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Speaker 2: the right choice and thinking about the standards the pork's

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Speaker 2: produced under and what they want to support with the

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Speaker 2: money they pay for it by choosing to buy New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be very, very difficult, I think, to

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Speaker 2: convince the government to change import rules, but it is

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Speaker 2: the ideal.

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Speaker 1: They got great trade deals and stuff to worry about.

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Speaker 1: As you say, Brent, appreciate your trying and brink Class

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Speaker 1: sounding pretty upbeat despite what the extra cost will mean

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Speaker 1: for them. Brink Class the n ZED pork chief executive

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Speaker 1: with us this morning. I guess the moral of the

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Speaker 1: story is if you care about animal welfare, and obviously

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Speaker 1: we do because this is a pro farming a government

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Speaker 1: that's changing this law, then you go and buy. When

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Speaker 1: you go to the supermarket to buy your pork, you

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Speaker 1: go and find something that is produced.

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