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Speaker 1: Got a new idea for university. So Peter Gluckman, who

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Speaker 1: is the chair of the university's advisory group, he's proposing

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Speaker 1: more collaboration within the sect assess students could be picking

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Speaker 1: up courses from multiple institutes, apparently all at once. More

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Speaker 1: details are expected, I think by the end of the month.

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Speaker 1: University's new Zealand boss, Chris wheelmsback, Well, that's Chris, very

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Speaker 1: good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning. This demand driven, look, it sort of is,

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Speaker 2: but not so much student demand driven. It's more kind

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Speaker 2: of country demand driven. There's a lot of kind of

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Speaker 2: low demand subjects, particularly subjects which are trying to get

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Speaker 2: to scale. They're things that we need for our economy

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Speaker 2: of the future that actually it would make a lot

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Speaker 2: more sense for universities to collaborate on. So you know,

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Speaker 2: we've got subjects like say earth science, gief. Because there's

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Speaker 2: actually only five students and undergraduate subjects right now across

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Speaker 2: three universities, it would make far more sense for those

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Speaker 2: universities to collaborate.

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Speaker 1: So that's logical. But if it's for the economy of

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Speaker 1: the future and no one wants it, is that a

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Speaker 1: problem in and of itself.

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of these subjects are subjects that have

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Speaker 2: to grow, and often the best way to get them

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Speaker 2: to grow is to actually have universities work together in

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Speaker 2: the first place to get them to the kind of

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Speaker 2: scale where they will be successful. So things like artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 2: it takes time and money to get programs stood up.

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Speaker 2: It would make a lot of sense for universities to

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Speaker 2: be collaborating on that infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Is the ReVibe within the universities they like collaborating or

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Speaker 1: are they are a little bit prestigious to deal with

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Speaker 1: each other.

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Speaker 2: It's a mixed thing. So in kind of Western style universities,

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Speaker 2: they were all set up in the eighties really on

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Speaker 2: competitive lines, so the whole idea should be But like businesses,

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Speaker 2: if you have to compete for students with really relevant

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Speaker 2: degrees and good employment outcomes, that's good. So you know

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Speaker 2: you want competition, you want competition for research funding. But

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Speaker 2: actually universities are expensive. Good teaching is expensive, and it

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Speaker 2: does make sense to collaborate on that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Does that counter the argument you need people back on

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Speaker 1: campus and there's too many people at home in their

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Speaker 1: bedrooms these days? This sort of works against that general thinking.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it. Well, teaching has evolved quite a bit in

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Speaker 2: the last fifteen to twenty years and accelerated thanks to COVID.

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Speaker 2: So there are really kind of two main modes of teaching.

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Speaker 2: There is pure distance, which is properly designed putting good

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Speaker 2: support around students, and then this kind of how on

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Speaker 2: campus learning has evolved to the point where now actually

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Speaker 2: you can be located near a campus but never actually

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Speaker 2: come onto campus. You can do electors online, you can

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Speaker 2: do tutorials online. The whole library is available via your laptop.

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Speaker 2: So actually technology makes a whole lot of different modes

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Speaker 2: of collaboration possible.

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Speaker 1: Now, how does this dubtail in with why Papa Tom

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Speaker 1: Marta rah at Auckland University, where suddenly universities are telling

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Speaker 1: you what you need to learn.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's always something that universities have to consider. Every

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Speaker 2: university has a graduate profile, So these are the sort

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Speaker 2: of things that they know that when they listen to

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Speaker 2: their employers and their communities, the things that they are

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Speaker 2: looking for from graduates. So every university is always looking

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Speaker 2: to make sure that in their main degree programs that

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Speaker 2: they are able to develop those kind of skills and competencies.

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Chris appreciate it and notice

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Speaker 1: how diplomatic that got. Chris Wheeland from University's New Zealand.

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