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Speaker 4: Holling and welcome today the Minister with the gargantuan job

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Speaker 4: of addressing the Royal Commission to report our tax system

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Speaker 4: is preventing expats Currently with money and ideas coming here,

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Speaker 4: Lester Levy tells us how big his magic wanders as

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Speaker 4: he looks to stop the bleeding in health. Peter out

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Speaker 4: at Tenney, Louis Anderson our talk match fit. If you

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Speaker 4: don't know what that is, I'll work you through it

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Speaker 4: after right, I think you'll like it. Joe mckenner and

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Speaker 4: Rhyme Rod Little does the UK for us PASKI welcome

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Speaker 4: the first seven past six now accepting that what the

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Speaker 4: government has told us about Health New Zealand might not

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Speaker 4: be one hundred percent accurate. In other words, this mystery

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Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty million dollars over spent per month

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Speaker 4: didn't in fact come out of nowhere. It is nevertheless

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Speaker 4: worth asking the question, how many people sit on boards

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Speaker 4: with not a lot of knowledge of what's actually going on?

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Speaker 4: How many people sit on boards with the accompanying stature

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Speaker 4: and reputation that comes with such such a position, but

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Speaker 4: in reality they are a bit all ordinary if you

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Speaker 4: put them to the test. Is it not remarkable to

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Speaker 4: see how many people on boards whose only skills of

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Speaker 4: the fact they held public office for a while? I

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Speaker 4: mean no more remarkable, I suppose than those who hold

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Speaker 4: they're pretty well known. Therefore that becomes a ticket to

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Speaker 4: lead a city, or indeed a place on reality television.

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Speaker 4: But then in those cases it's as a result of democracy,

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Speaker 4: and the weakness of democracy is brain power is not

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Speaker 4: a criteria for participation when it comes to boards. People

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Speaker 4: doing the appointing, you would like to think know what

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Speaker 4: they're doing. The change in our people we've seen from

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Speaker 4: the new government with boards for Housing New Zealand, for

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Speaker 4: farm at Kiwi, rail and our Health New Zealand indicate

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Speaker 4: to me a couple of things. Both are worrying. Some

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Speaker 4: seem to be there because they were political appointments and

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Speaker 4: as such shared a worldview, not a business one, about

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Speaker 4: what they were supposed to be doing. Our Housing New

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Speaker 4: Zealand in particular has been found shockingly wanting in terms

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Speaker 4: of debt, in terms of behavior as a landlord, in

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Speaker 4: terms of distorting the market around property purchasing, And yet

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Speaker 4: the boards seem happy to collect their pay. They think

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Speaker 4: they were doing a good job. How's that possible? How

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Speaker 4: can a Health New Zealand board not see the level

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Speaker 4: of debt unfolding before their eyes? And if they couldn't,

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Speaker 4: were they asking any questions? Are the government's claim of

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Speaker 4: fourteen layers of management? Did they think that was normal, acceptable, efficient?

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Speaker 4: Or they didn't know or they didn't care. It's a

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Speaker 4: lot of dysfunction overseen by people who appeared to just

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Speaker 4: be watching on Kiwi rail. They were telling the government

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Speaker 4: one day seven hundred million dollars on no, whoops, it's

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Speaker 4: three point four billion. How's that possible? How's that possible?

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Speaker 4: And is it because it's the public sector? Is it

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Speaker 4: Well, the busy in Washington, mister Nettanyahu of Israel isn't

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Speaker 4: town to speak to Congress. There are a few outside

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Speaker 4: that aren't thrilled.

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Speaker 5: In the last send him home, bring the hostages. They

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Speaker 5: also say they want to see Banyamin Latna sent to jail.

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Speaker 6: The other President Biden has prioritized the safer turn of

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Speaker 6: all the hostages. Prime Minister net and Yahoo has not.

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Speaker 6: He continues to put his own political survival first above

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Speaker 6: the interests of the people of Israel.

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Speaker 4: Then we come to the butflot shooting. This is Boddy

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Speaker 4: cam audio from on the roof Crooks as dead.

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Speaker 7: Yes, so they said that yes, Beaver County, this is him. Okay.

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Speaker 4: We also got confirmation from mister Raia of the FBI

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Speaker 4: that Crooks had been flying and drawing over the area prior.

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Speaker 8: So we're trying to in effect say, okay, if this

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Speaker 8: was the flight pattern, given these capabilities of the drone,

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Speaker 8: for those eleven minutes? And again it's it wasn't over

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Speaker 8: the stage or the kind of the hub of the rally.

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Speaker 4: In Britain, as we told you yesterday, the Libor parties

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Speaker 9: Heartbreaking to goes to see such a draconian stand being

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to talking to Rod about that later on,

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Speaker 4: and then too the Olympics, where our involvement in drone

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Speaker 10: Implications for the head coach as well, Beth Priestman. She's

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Speaker 10: removed herself from coaching the fixture against the New Zealanders,

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Speaker 10: and a short while ago the Canadians revealing a second

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Speaker 4: Nineteenth, Fascinated by Dryan's finally tragedy as a result of

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Speaker 4: a new video trend they're calling it macbang videos. Basically,

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Speaker 4: the world's got a bright future, hasn't it, and had

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Speaker 4: famously gone from seventy two kgs in twenty sixteen to

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Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty eight cagesn'ts the world. It's ninety seconds,

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Speaker 4: netnya who's speaking? And if there are highlights, we'll bring

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Speaker 4: them to you. They are about thirty Kamala Harris being

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Speaker 4: to attend this particular address. It's the fourth address of

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Speaker 4: the Joint Meeting of Congress. He's the first. He's already

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Speaker 4: But we'll keep you posted as it unfolds. Twelve pass six.

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Speaker 2: Costing breakfast.

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Speaker 4: Tell you what, Netanya, who's going down a treat I'll

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Speaker 4: give you something in just a couple of moments. That day,

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Speaker 4: who new record, our new record. Yes, Olympics hasn't even

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Speaker 4: be another one tomorrow. Brace yourself. Fifteen past six to.

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Speaker 2: Make a lot of money.

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Speaker 4: One day I got there, Jay am I Wealth Andrew

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Speaker 4: Kella had good morning, very good morning. Make it's like

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Speaker 4: Christmas is an earning season. Here we go, here we go.

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Speaker 11: Look, we've spent the last couple of days talking about

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Speaker 12: As I've said, you had this.

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Speaker 11: Recent performance of the mag seven companies have gone very well,

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Speaker 12: We who do we have? That we need to sort

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Speaker 11: And here's a sort of classic case of big expectations

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Speaker 4: Okay, then we come to Tesla, which was a mixed bag,

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Speaker 11: And this year the share price of Tesla has been

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Speaker 12: At one stage it was one.

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Speaker 11: The share price has been under pressure overnight. I think

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Speaker 12: The results were weak, they were below expectations.

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Speaker 11: There was a lot of talk about the much vaunted

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Speaker 11: autonomous Robotaxi that's seen as being a key competitive benefit

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Speaker 11: for Tesla going forward. A prototype apparently will be unveiled

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Speaker 11: in Mexico that's on pause. I think it's due to

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Speaker 11: I think there's election issues there anyway. The growth rate

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Speaker 11: for sales that's going the wrong way, adjusted and in

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Speaker 11: for share fifty two cents per share it's supposed to

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Speaker 12: That was analyst expectations.

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Speaker 11: Revenue did beat expectations, but you've got this margin issue

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Speaker 11: and it's down ten percent.

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Speaker 12: You got your Dow Jones. That's that.

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Speaker 11: So all of these, all of the US indices are lower,

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's going down to treat miners the thirty of course,

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Speaker 4: Erica Stanford. More to say on this report yesterday. How

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Speaker 3: Setting the news agenda, digging into the issues, the Mike

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Speaker 4: They'd be back to the floor of the Congress.

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Speaker 13: These protesters chant from the river to the sea, but

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Speaker 13: They call Israel a colonial estate. Don't they know that

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Speaker 16: It's basically there to ensure that we don't simply end

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Speaker 4: Okay, So how much is this is about the climate?

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Speaker 16: This is about the etes right while our girls are

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Speaker 4: What would you do about it? If you could get

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Speaker 16: Oh, there's a number of things that greenhouse girls are

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Speaker 16: And I think that's a really important point. Our greenhouse

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Speaker 16: They are doing their bit right and unfortunately the other

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Speaker 4: Why can't they? And just to explain this to everybody,

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Speaker 16: I think it's just just a triumph of bureaucracy and

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Speaker 16: I am putting this in place right now.

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Speaker 2: They're not.

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Speaker 16: Because our girls can't do anything about it. We need

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Speaker 4: How much time do you want? I mean is that

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Speaker 16: Look, we want to work with Minister Watts and Minister

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Speaker 4: They're pretty sensible people. Why haven't they been able to

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Speaker 4: How big is the glasshouse for want of a better word, industry.

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Speaker 16: We want Keywis to be eating more vegetables, getting one

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Speaker 7: To their diet, because that's a way to put it.

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Speaker 16: A future for.

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Speaker 4: News couldn't agree more. Go well, John will stay in

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Speaker 4: you what, the biggest money I ever ruined. I will

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Speaker 4: never forget the day he was away on holiday for

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Speaker 4: And I picked tomatoes and looked after his greenhouse for

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Speaker 4: What a miserable uncle, Gordon, Mike Liz wrong. Glenn quite

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Speaker 4: Not quite, but close, Mike, love your childhood stories. Our

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Speaker 4: my uncle Gordon's place was in Shirley in christ Church,

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Speaker 4: really in the middle of suburbia at a time when

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Speaker 4: he had commercial glasshouses that they won't be there now,

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Speaker 4: I can guarantee you that. But twenty bucks a day.

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Speaker 4: I was pulling down about twenty cents a week in

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Speaker 4: pocket money, and my mother had me out working from

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Speaker 4: the age of three to four. She said education wasn't

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Speaker 4: going to go well for me. She'd seen it early on,

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Speaker 4: so she got me out into the workforce at three

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Speaker 4: or four. So I'd been working for a while at

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Speaker 4: that point. But twenty bucks was unheard of.

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Speaker 17: Six forty five international correspondence with ends and eye insurance,

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Speaker 17: peace of mind for New Zealand Business took it straight out.

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Speaker 4: And put it into crypto. Joe McKenna and Italy morning

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Speaker 4: to you, good money, minew what's going on here with

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Speaker 4: the prosecutors and the ships and the neglect.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, well this is an interesting case. Italian prosecutors have

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Speaker 18: accused six officials, including Coast Guard officials, of failing to

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Speaker 18: intervene and do more to save the lives of ninety

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Speaker 18: four migrants that died off the coast of southern Italy

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Speaker 18: in February. Now Italy's Interior minister has defended these officials.

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Speaker 18: It looks like they could even face charges of manslaughter

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Speaker 18: and negligence for their failure to intervene. So this could

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Speaker 18: be an interesting test case for Italy going up ahead.

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Speaker 4: Now then we come back to this ongoing debate around tourism.

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Speaker 4: It seems the headlinesbally have been picked up in places

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Speaker 4: like Spain, but Venus of course, as you're particularly famous example.

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Speaker 4: Now we've got Capri and the mayor so over tourism

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Speaker 4: is a major thing this summer.

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Speaker 18: It is a major thing. It's really boomed since Covid,

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Speaker 18: of course, and Cupri is one of the most popular

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Speaker 18: tourist destinations in Italy. Frustrated with the hordes of tourists

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Speaker 18: clogging up certain sites around the Blue Grotto, the famous

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Speaker 18: Blue Grotto there, one of the mayors is proposing a

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Speaker 18: barrier of around forty boys to be placed offshore to

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Speaker 18: keep the motor boats away the boatloads of the boatloads

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Speaker 18: of tourists from this western side of the island. Now,

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Speaker 18: I don't think that's going to keep the tourists away

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Speaker 18: from Cupri. They're still pouring in and I think it's

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Speaker 18: a great pressure on the island because they've had pressure

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Speaker 18: on their water supply lately and some disruption there.

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Speaker 4: We gave Actually, it's funny you should say that. I

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Speaker 4: was reading an article the other day about a tiny

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Speaker 4: village that had the same problem. There's so many to

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Speaker 4: I'd never heard of the place, but they were running

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Speaker 4: out of water because there were so many tourists. Is

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Speaker 4: that a thing in small villages?

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Speaker 18: Well, I spoke to someone on the island of Cupri

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Speaker 18: and they said that the infrastructure is so old and

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Speaker 18: so need of maintenance, it doesn't take much.

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Speaker 14: To push it over the edge.

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Speaker 18: And we're seeing the same problems I think in Sicily

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Speaker 18: because there's a major drought down there and some of

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Speaker 18: the towns are really rationing water now. So this whole

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Speaker 18: idea of water and providing water and getting it to

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Speaker 18: people in need is coming under more pressure because of

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Speaker 18: tourists demand as well.

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Speaker 4: We also gave some numbers the other day on Venice,

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Speaker 4: you know, their entry for their five euro thing. They

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Speaker 4: sort of claimed victory because they said that there wasn't

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Speaker 4: a peak, the peak wasn't broken, and people didn't come

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Speaker 4: as much on week, but it didn't seem really to

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Speaker 4: have made a lot of difference. I mean, was that

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Speaker 4: just a revenue gathering exercise or is the sense that

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Speaker 4: they actually did achieve some lettle of success.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I think it really has been a revenue exercise,

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Speaker 18: revenue raising exercise. And what's interesting now, Mike, is that

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Speaker 18: the mayor of Venice is under fire for alleged corruption.

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Speaker 18: So the whole thing about the tourism fee has been

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Speaker 18: overtaken by some political machinations going on there.

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Speaker 4: So watch this space. The corruption in Italy. Who would

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Speaker 4: have thought so? The court's guy murders' girlfriend but he's off.

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Speaker 4: How'd that happen?

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Speaker 18: Very strange decision from Italy's highest court, the Court of Cassation,

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Speaker 18: which is like the High Court. They've overturned the life

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Speaker 18: sentence of a man convicted of killing his girlfriend in

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Speaker 18: early twenty twenty, suggesting he was driven by anxiety caused

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Speaker 18: by the COVID pandemic. Outrage from the family, of course,

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Speaker 18: and this sentence still stands, but the I'm sorry, the

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Speaker 18: conviction still stands, but the life sentence is being reviewed

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Speaker 18: by another court.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, all right, Joe, you go, well, we'll catch up

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Speaker 4: next week. Appreciating very much the other thing I read,

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Speaker 4: by the way, in Italy, that White Lotus, you know,

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Speaker 4: the hotel Wave filmed the White Lotus at in Sicily.

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Speaker 4: They charge you now to go in, not as a guest.

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Speaker 4: They just charge you if you just wander in there

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Speaker 4: to say, hey, can I have a look at this

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Speaker 4: famous hotel? They say, no problem, fifty euros, thanks pretty much.

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Speaker 4: And the cost of a room. You can't afford a

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Speaker 4: cost of a room now because it's gone through the roof.

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Speaker 4: While we're also in that particular part of the world.

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Speaker 4: The Olympic news, we've got an alleged Russian spy arrested

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Speaker 4: in Paris suspicion of plotting to destabilize the Olympic Games.

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Speaker 4: We know not what that means. He's a reality TV

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Speaker 4: chef who worked in a Michelin starred restaurant. You can't

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Speaker 4: make the stuff up. In a French Alpline ski resort.

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Speaker 4: He's forty. They raided his apartment. He lives in central Paris.

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Speaker 4: They found a document linked to an elite Russian special

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Speaker 4: forces unit, also some documents of diplomatic interest. He's known

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Speaker 4: only as Kay. What's your name, mate? Yeah, living in

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Speaker 4: France for fourteen years. Gave the game away, got a

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Speaker 4: bit drunk through, got thrown off a plane that was

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Speaker 4: to take him from a standbull to Paris. This is

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Speaker 4: back in May. Stopped on root at a restaurant from

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Speaker 4: where he rang his intelligence handlers in Russia and said

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Speaker 4: he was going to give Paris an opening ceremony like

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Speaker 4: no other that on the old high intel chatter. I'm

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Speaker 4: sure the Secret Service in the US will tell you

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Speaker 4: that that's as important as a slight roof ten minutes

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Speaker 4: away from seven.

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Speaker 3: The mic hosting Breakfast with a Veta retirement. Community News

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Speaker 3: togs had been.

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Speaker 4: For the polling Fresh Polling this morning. This is from

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Speaker 4: SSRs and CNN Biden's decision to end his campaign eighty

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Speaker 4: seven percent to prove thirteen don't. Feelings about Biden's decision

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Speaker 4: to end the campaign mainly driven by relief. Fifty eight

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Speaker 4: percent say relieved, thirty seven percent say hopeful, twenty eight

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Speaker 4: percent say surprise, twenty percent worried and thirteen percent disappointed,

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Speaker 4: which of course adds to more than one hundred obviously,

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Speaker 4: but you can have more than one feeling because they're sophisticated,

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Speaker 4: because they're American. Would you your vote be more are

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Speaker 4: because you support Harris or more because you hate Trump?

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Speaker 4: That was asked off Harris supporters. Are you voting for

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Speaker 4: Harris or you're voting against Trump? Fifty to fifty and

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Speaker 4: choice for president? Who do you want to be the president?

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Speaker 4: This is the big number. Karmala Harris forty six? Has

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Speaker 4: she changed? Moved the needle? Donald Trump forty nine? Great

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Speaker 4: race five minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Bill, the ins and the ouse.

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Speaker 3: It's the fiz with business fiber take your business productivity

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Speaker 3: to the next level.

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Speaker 4: Right new dart around business ownership. Last week's sales were

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Speaker 4: going gangbusters, as in sales of businesses, but this morning

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Speaker 4: a little bit tricky. This is from zero Small Business

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Speaker 4: Insights data. They recorded the largest monthly decline in sales

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Speaker 4: in June since the first COVID lockdown. That's how bad

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Speaker 4: it is. Sales are down eight point three percent for

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Speaker 4: June competed with last year. That was a two point four.

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Speaker 4: They had two point four down in May, so it's

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Speaker 4: getting worse. Adjusting for inflation, sales are down four point

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Speaker 4: eight percent for Q two. There wasn't a single industry

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Speaker 4: that saw growth in sales, not one. The worst hostile

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Speaker 4: ten down, construction down ten, retail down eleven point four.

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Speaker 4: If you pull back a little bit, if you're desperate

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Speaker 4: for the good news, look at the numbers for the

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Speaker 4: whole quarter as opposed to the month. There's very small growth.

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Speaker 4: Real estates up zero point nine and other services are

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Speaker 4: up zero point one. You need a microscope to see

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Speaker 4: that growth. A lot of small business issues, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's the usual can't control at rents, rates, insurance, wage pressures,

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Speaker 4: supplier issues. Speaking of wages, zero's data also show small

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Speaker 4: business wages were up three point six percent for the

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Speaker 4: Dune quarter. The two biggest rises in wages were construction

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Speaker 4: at four point one and other services again three point

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Speaker 4: eighty five, both offering wages above the national average. It

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Speaker 4: is hard, hard yards at the moment doing business in

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Speaker 4: this country, which is why the pressure, why the narrative

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Speaker 4: is all being headed towards Adrian or and although he's

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Speaker 4: got the non tradable at five point four. The stuff

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Speaker 4: we can't control. What the stuff we can control. Sorry,

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Speaker 4: what he's going to do, I don't know how. If

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Speaker 4: you're the Reserve Bank governor, you look at what's going

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Speaker 4: on actually in the real economy, in people's lives and

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Speaker 4: go yeh, well, no, there's nothing I can do about that.

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Speaker 4: It's non tradeable at five point four. We're not moving yet.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Fortunately, CrowdStrike have come to the party,

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Speaker 4: their PR department to top top level crowd Strike and

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Speaker 4: this is an email I assume it's been leaked that

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Speaker 4: was out to CrowdStrike partners. If you're involved in that

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Speaker 4: calamity over the weekend with crowd Strike, they're putting it right.

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Speaker 4: What they're offering this morning is a ten dollar uberites

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Speaker 4: gift card. No, I'm not making that up. The chef

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Speaker 4: did get arrested that I didn't make that story up.

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Speaker 4: And they are offering a ten dollar uber Etes gift card.

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Speaker 4: By way, is the well gone mental or is it

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Speaker 4: just me news for you?

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Speaker 2: Next?

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Speaker 3: You're trusted home the news sport entertainment's opinion and fighting them.

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Speaker 3: Mike Hosking Breakfast with Jaguar, The Art of Performance News TOKS.

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Speaker 4: He'd been only seven past seven, so a big day

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Speaker 4: as the government released the ro Oil Commission report into

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Speaker 4: the abuse and care of the estimated six hundred and

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Speaker 4: fifty five thousand who were supposed to be looked out

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Speaker 4: for about two hundred thousand ended up being abused, in

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Speaker 4: some cases torture. So next steps Minister Responsible Erica Stanford's

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Speaker 4: with us. Very good morning to you, moer Mike. Have

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Speaker 4: you got your head around the size and complexity of

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Speaker 4: what's about to happen as regards redress?

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Speaker 19: I have, and it is hugely complex. There was an

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Speaker 19: interim report done that had ninety five recommendations and one

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Speaker 19: of those was to set up an interim or sorry

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Speaker 19: design group of MATTERP survivors and they have had their

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Speaker 19: own ninety five seven recommendations around what the process could

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Speaker 19: look like. It is very unique and there are a

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Speaker 19: whole lot of very challenging things for us and there

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Speaker 19: to consider. But I think you couldn't really understand that

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Speaker 19: redress process until you read the stories in this report

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Speaker 19: that's been released recently and understand the scale and complexity

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Speaker 19: of it.

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Speaker 4: How crunchy is it going to get when expectation doesn't

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Speaker 4: meet reality, or reality doesn't meet expectation.

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Speaker 19: It's one of the things that we will have to

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Speaker 19: manage because the report from the Redress Design Group is

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Speaker 19: very innovative, and there are a lot of things in

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Speaker 19: there that have been suggested that have never been done

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Speaker 19: anywhere else in the world. And so I've sat down

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Speaker 19: with that group and I've said to them and they understand,

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Speaker 19: they know that what they've put forward is very innovative.

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Speaker 19: And I've said to them, look, you know, we aren't

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Speaker 19: going to be able to do all of this. And

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Speaker 19: they said to me, we understand that, we know that.

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Speaker 19: And then I said to them, well, I need you

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Speaker 19: to tell me what are the most important elements of

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Speaker 19: this that we have to get right. And one thing

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Speaker 19: they said to me was it has to be survivor led.

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Speaker 19: You have to take us on the journey the whole way,

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Speaker 19: with all the decisions that you make.

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Speaker 4: How much of it's going to come down to money

658
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Speaker 4: at the end of the day.

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Speaker 19: Well, Christopher lux and the Prime Minister is said to

660
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Speaker 19: all of us, that's not to be considered at the beginning. Actually,

661
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Speaker 19: the first thing is first principles, What is the right

662
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Speaker 19: thing to do and then mond or part of it

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Speaker 19: will be money. But when you look at these survivors

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Speaker 19: and I've spoke to the mess thatay. I spent two

665
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Speaker 19: and a half hours with the survivors of Lake Alice

666
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Speaker 19: and then another hour or so with survivors yesterday. They're

667
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Speaker 19: all very different. Some just want an apology and an acknowledgment.

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Speaker 19: Some just want to get their teeth fixed. Some just

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Speaker 19: want some ability to talk to professionals about the trauma.

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Speaker 19: Others want to financial settlement. It's very very different with

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Speaker 19: all of the things that they want, and it doesn't

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Speaker 19: always come down to money. Many people make dirty money.

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Speaker 4: Can you make the faith based groups apologize or pay.

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Speaker 19: Well, We're going to do everything that we can because

675
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Speaker 19: they need to be held responsible and we will lean

676
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Speaker 19: on very hard. And if you look in Australia and

677
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Speaker 19: other countries, they have managed to bring the churches on

678
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Speaker 19: board a readdress system where the churches chip in and

679
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Speaker 19: the government runs the system. So there are lots of

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Speaker 19: very interesting ways they do it around the country where

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Speaker 19: the are Crown Response and it has already been engaging

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Speaker 19: with the churches and they have been have been engaging

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Speaker 19: so far in good faith, and so I'm hopeful and

684
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Speaker 19: confident that they will come to the party, and so

685
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Speaker 19: they should.

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Speaker 4: How do the legals work? Are a case that happened

687
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Speaker 4: allegedly in nineteen fifty nine, where memories are faded and

688
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Speaker 4: the evidence is gone, versus a case that happened in

689
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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety nine where the evidence is still there and

690
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Speaker 4: people are still employed. And who runs that? And are

691
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Speaker 4: the courts up for dealing with charges they may or

692
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Speaker 4: may not have ever seen before, things like torture? Things?

693
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Speaker 4: I mean, is anyone equipped to deal with this?

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Speaker 19: In terms of memories and things happening? There are still

695
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Speaker 19: a lot of records. Yes, a lot of records have

696
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Speaker 19: been destroyed, but there are a lot of records. And

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Speaker 19: also this report that was tabled yesterday gives you a

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Speaker 19: very clear indication of where things happen and the time frames.

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Speaker 19: And we do have a lot of records about the

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Speaker 19: numbers of people and who went through those institutions, and

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Speaker 19: when you read the stories, they're all eerily similar. And

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Speaker 19: so you know, if we know that someone went through

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Speaker 19: a particular institution at a particular time, it's very likely

704
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Speaker 19: those things happened from all of those those reports that

705
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Speaker 19: we now have the two four hundred people that came

706
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Speaker 19: forward to get evidence, we know when, where and.

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Speaker 4: What okay to bring it forward? Seven double A, which

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Speaker 4: is highly controversial. I rung at tamariki. You take a

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Speaker 4: child today in this modern era, out and you then

710
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Speaker 4: put them back in the way to find now the

711
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Speaker 4: way to fine our abuses the child who's responsible? And

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Speaker 4: is this just not the modern version of what was

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Speaker 4: going on in the fifty sixties and seventies.

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Speaker 19: But what was happening back then was just completely different.

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Speaker 19: You know, children were taken into state care. It wasn't

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Speaker 19: a belief in keeping children with families, keeping them with

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Speaker 19: their culture, or even putting them with putting them in

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Speaker 19: safe places. It was all about institutionalized care and that

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Speaker 19: did not vode well for anybody.

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Speaker 4: So different examples and completely different examples. Because abuse is abuse.

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Speaker 19: Well, abuse happens everywhere, and it's it is difficult to

722
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Speaker 19: always completely get rid of it and stop it from happening.

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Speaker 19: All we can do is make sure that we're putting

724
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Speaker 19: learning the lessons of the past and putting in place

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Speaker 19: the processes that will stop it happening again. And look,

726
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Speaker 19: I don't know all of the answers moving forward and

727
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Speaker 19: all of the different minister's portfolios about how we're going

728
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Speaker 19: to deal with us. What the report does do. It

729
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Speaker 19: tells us very clearly what happened when we did certain things,

730
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Speaker 19: and we need to now take all of those lessons

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Speaker 19: and work, you know, work on what we do moving forward.

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Speaker 19: And we don't have all of those answers yet, and

733
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Speaker 19: as the lead master, don't have the knowledge of everyone's

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Speaker 19: individual portfolios as to what they're going to do. But firstly,

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Speaker 19: we will all start working in our individual portfolios on

736
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Speaker 19: changes we can make now well in advance of us

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Speaker 19: putting in place these recommendations.

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Speaker 4: Messive job, go well with appreciate it. Erica Stanford, Minister

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Speaker 4: responsible for the Abuse in Kiah Inquiry, response thirteen past

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Speaker 4: seven oskag is how we wrapped it up.

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Speaker 13: Thank you for your support and solidarity. Thank you for

742
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Speaker 13: standing in Israel with Israel in our hour of need. Together,

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Speaker 13: together we shall defend our common civilization. Together we shall

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Speaker 13: secure a brilliant future for both our nations. May God

745
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Speaker 13: bless Israel, May God bless America, and may God bless

746
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Speaker 13: the great alliance between Israel and America forever.

747
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Speaker 4: And that we appause went on.

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Speaker 6: And on.

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Speaker 7: And on.

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Speaker 4: Can I recommend a very good piece of ringing, by

751
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Speaker 4: the way from the Sydney Morning Herald the other day tunnels,

752
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Speaker 4: tricks and tactics, her master's strategy and guards are revealed.

753
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Speaker 4: Read that and see what you think at the end

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Speaker 4: of it. Fourteen past the host racist other people would

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Speaker 4: big jobs. Lester Levy, the Commissioner of Health. How is

756
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Speaker 4: he going to stop the bleeding? More? Shortly with him

757
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: in about fifteen minutes seventeen past seven. So a new

758
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 4: study this morning claims we've got an outdated tax system

759
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Speaker 4: that could be scaring off XPAX wanting to come home.

760
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Speaker 4: It's too difficult for highly skilled workers to enter New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Reports called the place where talent doesn't want to live.

762
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Speaker 4: Managing director of US based venture capital firm Shasta Rob

763
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Speaker 4: connye Bear's whether it's Rob morning, Good morning mate, how

764
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Speaker 4: are you very well? So the Zeddie has done it,

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Speaker 4: supported by the Auckland Chamber of Commerce, the American Chamber

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Speaker 4: of Commerce, the zed US Council, the Edmund Hillary Fellowship.

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Speaker 4: So this is something that's widely known and accepted in

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Speaker 4: the business community.

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Speaker 20: Is that fair well, I would say among the returning

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Speaker 20: Kiwi fact community, the talented people that can help build

771
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Speaker 20: technology startups. This is something that people are very aware

772
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Speaker 20: of and has had an impact over time.

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Speaker 4: What you read is it inadvertent or is it deliberate

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Speaker 4: by why of text policy?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 20: I think this is something that is inadvertent because one

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Speaker 20: of the authors of this study, Peter Wilson, was in

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Speaker 20: Treasury when it was originally implemented, and it was implemented

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Speaker 20: for a completely different purpose than today, and that's what's

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Speaker 20: outlined and talked about in the report. So I think

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Speaker 20: it's something that is very fixable with awareness.

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Speaker 4: Right now, are we an outlier?

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Speaker 20: It turns out that New Zealand is an outlier with

784
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Speaker 20: this specific tax. Are you familiar with the tax?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Actually, do it? Do explain it. It's investment and stuff.

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Speaker 4: It's in paper, it's stuff that may not be making

788
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Speaker 4: any money. It's stuff that you envestment in overseas. They

789
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Speaker 4: text to you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: I mean the basic issue is if you have if

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Speaker 20: you're a taxpayer in New Zealand and you have assets overseas,

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Speaker 20: your tax on an annual basis, and it doesn't matter

794
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Speaker 20: whether those are liquid or.

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Speaker 12: Ill liquid assets.

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Speaker 20: So if you're trying to bring back entrepreneurs returning Kiwi's

797
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Speaker 20: first time migrants, often they have had a successful startup

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Speaker 20: and they have paper gains, they have some sort of

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Speaker 20: valuation in that company and they can't you know, if

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Speaker 20: it's a paper game, you can't eat it, you can't

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Speaker 20: use it. But it doesn't matter. You still owe tax

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Speaker 20: every year on it. In New Zealand, and that can

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Speaker 20: be quite significant for the most i'd say successful entrepreneurs.

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Speaker 20: And the most important part about this is these paper

805
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Speaker 20: gains may be in companies that are ultimately worthless, but

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Speaker 20: you would never get that tax that's paid back.

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Speaker 4: No, exactly. So here's the good news. Potentially, this is

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Speaker 4: a government that would argue they want people, they need

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Speaker 4: the money, we are open for business. Is this the

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Speaker 4: government who can fix it?

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Speaker 20: Well, what I would say is it's a government where

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Speaker 20: you have people in the different organizations i'd say, different ministries,

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Speaker 20: different portfolios talking to each other is important. That's a

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Speaker 20: big part of the reason the study was put together

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Speaker 20: is because this is at the intersection of immigration policy

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Speaker 20: and tax policy. So I think a government where you

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Speaker 20: have people that are talking to each other is very

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Speaker 20: capable of fixing this, and I do think the current

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Speaker 20: government is well pleased to do that.

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Speaker 4: Good stuff. Rob appreciate it very much. Rob Connebert, who's

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Speaker 4: managing director of the US based venture capital firm Shuster.

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Speaker 4: I'll explain why Peter Alatini and Louis Anderson are on

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Speaker 4: part in this Royal Commission into abuse in care seems

850
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Speaker 4: to be everyone who can now do something about it

851
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Speaker 4: starts on the same page. There seems universal agreement. We

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Speaker 4: have a national disgrace. It never should have happened, and

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Speaker 4: redresses needed as fast as possible. It hopefully means for now. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: those who have told their stories know that they have

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Speaker 4: been heard and are believed, And what happens next is

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Speaker 4: the bit that could go well or not. Early signs yesterday,

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Speaker 4: as Prime Minister and the minister tasked with leading this area,

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Speaker 4: the Eric Stanmada, if you've just heard, gave their initial

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Speaker 4: responses was that agendas were already at play. If you

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Speaker 4: watched the press conference, which I found interesting, a number

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Speaker 4: of questions were asked about gangs. Some members of gangs

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Speaker 4: are the victims of the abuse in the report. The

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Speaker 4: other questions were around potential legal action. How that is

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Speaker 4: handled is going to be critical given the report deals

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Speaker 4: with events up until broadly speaking about nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 4: that comparatively speaking, is very recent past, and there are

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Speaker 4: those still working in government departments that were allegedly involved

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Speaker 4: in this abuse or in the Lake Alice case torture.

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Speaker 4: The legal system, as I suggested to Eric or a

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Speaker 4: moment ago, isn't well acquainted with the sort of charges

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Speaker 4: that might well come out of that, not to mention

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Speaker 4: the level of detail involved in criminal investigations and the

873
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: complexities around say a case in nineteen fifty nine and

874
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 4: its evidence and its witnesses versus nineteen ninety nine, almost

875
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: two generations later, where it could get ugly. I think

876
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 4: around gangs and the prime to try to walk the

877
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 4: line carefully. Yesterday was the suggestion that this government, in

878
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 4: their gang crackdown, might have misread why we have gangs,

879
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 4: that gangs are an outworking of abuse, and therefore the

880
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: hardline approach this government is taking might be a bit brutish.

881
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 4: Perhaps we could put it this way. Not all victims

882
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 4: became gang members, not all victims turned to crime, not

883
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 4: all victims went on to terrorize communities, pedal drugs and

884
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 4: cause mayhem. So although what happened to these people cannot

885
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 4: be excused in any way, neither can your background be

886
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: excused for joining a gang and illegal activity. But that

887
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 4: is not going to stop the narrative, of course, and

888
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 4: the politics of all of this, so watch out for that. Yesterday, though,

889
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 4: it was a decent and honorable day because it was

890
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 4: driven by acceptance and intent. What the government does, how

891
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 4: they do it, to what extent they do it is

892
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 4: the far more tricky journey, and that has only just begun.

893
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 4: Asking announcedtairs of seven o'clock this morning the Low North Island.

894
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 4: Good news for you guys, commuter rail is coming up.

895
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 4: While it's already there, just doesn't work that well. So

896
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 4: the Government of throwing eight one hundred and two million

897
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 4: dollars into the Wire Rapper and Manuwatu into the rail

898
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: funding agreement with New Zealand Transport, KiwiRail and the Greater

899
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 4: Wellington Horizons Regional Councils. We're getting eighteen four car units

900
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 4: totaling seventy two cars, going to double the peak services

901
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 4: on both lines, additional off peak services as well fifteen

902
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 4: minute travel time savings. This is Wellington, Masterton, this is

903
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 4: the whole. You can live in the wire Rapper and commute.

904
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 4: Increase speeds on the wire Rapper line from ninety ks

905
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 4: to one hundred and ten kilometers per how they're trying

906
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 4: to be modern and the money is behind it, which

907
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 4: is good.

908
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 15: Well do you think that those people were hearing that though,

909
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 15: are thinking, oh, can we just leave Kiwi Rail out

910
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 15: of the rail maybe.

911
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: Mike I recently completed the week long Institute of Director's course.

912
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 4: I was shocked to learn that many and my cohort,

913
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 4: who are already company directors, are financially illiterate. This goes

914
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 4: back to my opening comments this morning about all the

915
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 4: people have been sacked on boards and what the hell

916
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 4: they've been doing all this time, and whether they just

917
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 4: take the job because it sounds fun and there's some

918
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 4: morning tea and somebody pays you to do it, and

919
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 4: suddenly you're out of work. And how come you couldn't

920
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 4: see what was going on? Which then brings in Less

921
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 4: to Levy, who has now gone from being a chairman

922
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: to a commissioner, and he has got a fixed health

923
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 4: so he's next.

924
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,

925
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: like my costing breakfast with Bailey's real Estate doing real

926
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: estate differently since nineteen seventy three, news tog said, be.

927
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: Fitness and health Peder Old attorney Louis Anderson, Paul the

928
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 4: Warrior of course with us after eight o'clock this morning,

929
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 4: and meantime, speaking of health, how is less to leave you?

930
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 4: The new health commissioner going to start this gargantuine mess

931
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 4: and deal with it that involves a budget blowout of

932
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 4: allegitedly one hundred and thirty million initiature dollars per month.

933
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 4: And given the pushback we've seen since the government made

934
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 4: the announcement on Monday, what's real and what's politics? Lester

935
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 4: Levy is with us. Very good morning to.

936
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 21: You, good morning.

937
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: Article in the Herald this morning by Andrew Little. You'll

938
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 4: know the name Health New Zealand board sacked. Reform shouldn't

939
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 4: be this bad or hard? Does he have a point?

940
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 4: Or are you finding a little bit harder than he did?

941
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 22: I look, here's a point. At any change, particularly a

942
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 22: ticket chair is extremely difficult and often isn't as successful

943
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 22: as most people would hope.

944
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 4: Are we any better or worse off than the last

945
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 4: forty years of which I've been in this industry interviewing

946
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 4: people like you talking about the problems and health being

947
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: a mess?

948
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 22: Yeah? I think that in many ways idea or from me.

949
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 22: You know, there's men more things that can be done

950
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 22: for patients, and outcomes have become a lot better. But

951
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 22: there is often a lot of change to institutional arrangements

952
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 22: and policies, and I think that's difficult to manage. But

953
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 22: my approach is simply I need to deal with the

954
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 22: cards that I have been dealt with, as avery dealt,

955
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 22: and then I need to make the most of those

956
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 22: and try get.

957
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 12: Help.

958
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 22: Is even to or again a shape to move forward?

959
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 4: The best thing I've heard from you since you've got

960
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 4: this job. As you said, we don't need any more money. So,

961
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 4: for clarification's sake, at thirty ISHU billion dollars for health,

962
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 4: we have what we need. It's just how we do it.

963
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 4: Is that fair?

964
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 22: Yes, I think that's fair, but that's in context I'm

965
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 22: talking about right now. We have a overspending problem, not

966
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 22: an underfunding problem. We need to resolve this because if

967
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 22: you don't do that, then when more money comes in

968
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 22: from the government on behalf the tax date, that money

969
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 22: simply goes to fund efficits. It doesn't actually fund additional

970
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 22: health services. So if you have a look at our situation,

971
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 22: we've got one hundred and thirty million a month overspend.

972
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 22: We don't have a one point four billion dollar hole.

973
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 22: I think that's a little inaccurate. But if we don't

974
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 22: do something about this now, by July, sorry, by journey

975
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 22: next year, we're end of our financial yet we will

976
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 22: have a one point four billion dollar hole. And so

977
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 22: we need to arrest this situation so we don't spend.

978
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 22: We have got a better one point four to seven

979
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 22: uplift increase in our fundings here, and if we don't

980
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 22: solve this, that increased to provide additional services and to

981
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 22: address the information issues. That'll simply fund their fists. So

982
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 22: this is why I'm saying that is contextual. We need

983
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 22: to get in fiscal control in place, and we need

984
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 22: to be efficient and effective, and we need to get

985
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 22: our productive here and at that point in time, then

986
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 22: if we prevent that we can perform. That's when the

987
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 22: discussion about how much more or if we need more,

988
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 22: but we should do the most are the resources we

989
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 22: currently have.

990
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 4: Let's keep this as simple as we can. Are the

991
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 4: fourteen layers of management, there's.

992
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 22: Different answers to those questions. I think a small hospital

993
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 22: there's seven lays between a nurse, for example, and the

994
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 22: chief executive. In a bigger hospital it could be ten,

995
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 22: and in some other areas it could be twelve.

996
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 4: Any excuse for that, well, I think.

997
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 22: That's the way the organization has been structured. I personally

998
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 22: think that the organization looks more like a public sector

999
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 22: agency and a health delivery organization. And that's a big

1000
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 22: part of my intense es and resources we have.

1001
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 4: So that well, DIRUCT, But is that part of the

1002
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 4: problem with the board. So when a government appoints a board,

1003
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 4: if a certain government of a certain ideology appoints are board,

1004
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 4: they'll look at twelve layers and go, well, this is

1005
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 4: my whole life. This is all I've ever seen. This

1006
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: is normal as a person who comes in from the

1007
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 4: outside and goes, this is ridiculous. Is that part of

1008
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 4: the problem.

1009
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 22: Yeah, well, I mean I don't really wish to criticize

1010
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 22: because I know hard difficulties. But it's different perspectives. But

1011
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 22: I do think if our objective is to give as

1012
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 22: much health delivery to patients, families and communities, and we

1013
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 22: need this organization to look like a health delivery organization,

1014
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 22: Marshall has much of our resource to the front line

1015
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 22: and have as well diluctracy as possible. And I don't

1016
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 22: think that's a situation right now, and you don't address

1017
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 22: so empower the clinical front line to deliver war services

1018
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 22: to patients.

1019
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 4: I read apiece yesterday suggesting a lot of the blowout

1020
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 4: the one thirty million per month was of the extraordinary

1021
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 4: success in recruiting nurses. Is that true?

1022
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 22: That is in part, it's not all of the problem,

1023
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 22: but there have been an incredible succession recruiting nurses and

1024
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 22: we have many more nurse in full time equivalents, then

1025
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 22: we're in the original budget. The other and that's also

1026
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 22: a factor now is labor markets have changed, that cinently

1027
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 22: has changed and the turnout a rate in the organization,

1028
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 22: in the people even that has reduced quite a lot.

1029
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 22: So whenever budgets are made there's an assumption about that.

1030
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,479
Speaker 22: So that's another factor. But yes, we do have more

1031
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 22: clinical efting either with had before good.

1032
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 4: So if we go down the track that Retty and

1033
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: you were talking about, which is frontline versus back office,

1034
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 4: you don't actually have one hundred and thirty billion dollar

1035
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 4: blowout because a million dollar blowout because in hiring nurses

1036
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: that was good at spend a cheer that you want

1037
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 4: because we need nurses, isn't it?

1038
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 22: It is good expenditure because we're do clinical stuff that

1039
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 22: we need to address other parts of the organization. So

1040
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 22: we don't have that constant over expenditure because we just

1041
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 22: cannot be in that situation.

1042
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 4: I don't want to ever simplify this, but could you

1043
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 4: wade through the fat and simply find one hundred and

1044
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 4: thirty million dollars a month by sacking a few people

1045
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 4: who aren't doing enough?

1046
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 22: Well, I think there's going to be multi dimensional. But

1047
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 22: we will everything that we need to do in order

1048
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 22: to get the expense out of control, but to protect

1049
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 22: the clinical front line. And when I'm in clinical frontline,

1050
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 22: that includes administrative staff at their clinical line, or you know,

1051
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 22: people who are cleaning and people are providing food. Anything

1052
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 22: that's to do with their clinical front line will be protected.

1053
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 22: Everything else we will be looking at where we can

1054
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 22: reduce costs.

1055
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 4: Good stuff and go well with it. Leicster leading, who's

1056
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: the new Zealand Health Commissioner, seventeen minutes away from it,

1057
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 4: asking Mike, just waking up with a lot of noise

1058
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 4: coming from our own wondering what the hell was going on.

1059
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 4: I'm sure the neighbors would have heard. Turns out my

1060
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 4: darling husband was trialing out the Mike Hosking cold sharer trick.

1061
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 4: I'm not convinced. Love you show adell you will be

1062
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 4: His skin will freshen up, he'll look before you know,

1063
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 4: he'll drop weight, his skin will freshen up, his hair

1064
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 4: will look lustrous. You'll find him more appealing and attractive.

1065
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 4: Your marriage will improve, and you will say so.

1066
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 15: And after yesterday's discussion, here's my suggestion.

1067
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 18: Is that.

1068
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 15: Corresponder there that she should try my warm shower method?

1069
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 4: Well, she probably is put it up against the.

1070
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 15: Husband's cold shower method and who see who gets the

1071
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 15: better night's sleep and has the better skin.

1072
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 4: Okay, game on, Stay in Touch sixteen two.

1073
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: The Mike Hosking Breakfast thirteen.

1074
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 4: Away from Morning Mike, cold shars are a winner. I

1075
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 4: got my wife to do an ice bath last week

1076
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 4: and she had saw legs. She hated it, but once done,

1077
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 4: boom new legs. Water is king for so many niggles

1078
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 4: couldn't agree more. Mike tried thirty seconds of the Mike methods,

1079
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 4: saw the size of my testicles and felt thirty years younger. There,

1080
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 4: I told you, Morning Mike. I went to Venice in June,

1081
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 4: paid the city tax to win to stay three days.

1082
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 4: Not once did anyone ever ask if I had a

1083
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 4: city pass, nor did anyone ever check it. I asked

1084
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: the airbnb host and she said she didn't know anything

1085
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 4: about it, and said there was there wasn't anyone that

1086
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 4: was going to check it or enforce it. It's a

1087
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Speaker 4: city scam. Well, Jeff, of course it is. I mean

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Speaker 4: it's Italy. What were you what were you expecting that

1089
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 4: it was well organized by the way, having been proved

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Speaker 4: right on EV's I note that Alphabet who announced yesterday

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Speaker 4: if you were listening to Andrew kellaher earlier on, they're

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Speaker 4: going to invest a further five billion in self driving cars.

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00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 4: And this is the fascination I have around Tesla and see,

1094
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 4: you do realize if you've bought a Tesla in the

1095
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 4: last couple of years, apart from the fact, in nineteen years,

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00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 4: is going to be worth literally nothing and you'll have

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Speaker 4: to throw it out. Elon will have moved on and

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00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 4: he won't care about you anymore. He's now moving into

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Speaker 4: robo cars. This is my next caller. It's not even

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00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 4: a clever call because we already know that robot cars

1101
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 4: aren't going anywhere. The fact that Tesla doesn't have any

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Speaker 4: robocars in Alphabet with their Waimo do have robot cars

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00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: in Phoenix and San Francisco. But guess how much the

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00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 4: robocars are making nothing less than nothing. They're losing money

1105
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 4: like there is no tomorrow. So so far, they delivered

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00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 4: all last year in reported so they delivered three hundred

1107
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 4: and sixty five million dollars in quarterly revenue. So you think, oh, yeah,

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00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 4: that's quite good. Did they make profit? No, the unit

1109
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 4: lost and the loss widened to for the quarter, just

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Speaker 4: the one point one three billion dollars for the quarter.

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00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 4: So faced with those numbers, what do alphabet do? Tell you?

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00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 4: What they do? They take another five billion and they

1113
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Speaker 4: throw it in the pot, and they'll be investors out

1114
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 4: there going, oh good, that's the future. I guarantee you

1115
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Speaker 4: in our lifetime. It will never be widely available. As

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Speaker 4: you know, there's just Phoenix and San Francisco. They will

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Speaker 4: never be widely available. The robotaxi. The reason the robotaxi

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Speaker 4: will never work is because anyone who's got a modern

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Speaker 4: car already has two A degree things in it that

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Speaker 4: are robotized or in other words, computerized, things like lane

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Speaker 4: departure warning systems, emergency breaking, steering systems that interfere if

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00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 4: you don't go in a straight line, stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: And if you've ever got those and you thought, jeez,

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Speaker 4: these are really cool. I love these because they're so sharp,

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Speaker 4: so fantastic, it's that's what's going to drive your car.

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Speaker 4: You will never go anywhere you're sitting in the back

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00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 4: seat with nobody in front, and it will be slow, slow,

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Speaker 4: so conservative. You will literally won't go round the corner

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Speaker 4: because everyone else who's still behind the wheel and driving

1130
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Speaker 4: will be cutting in front of you, and the computer

1131
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Speaker 4: will be panicking, and so you'll end up taking twice

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Speaker 4: as long to get anywhere.

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Speaker 15: And you're even in a country like New Zealand where

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Speaker 15: all the roads are exactly the same, very uniform, never any.

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Speaker 4: It's in a straight line. It works perfectly. Even in

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Speaker 4: New zeal you will find it won't come to my

1137
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: mark my words nine away for mate. The mic Hoste

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Speaker 4: racers with the janguin like seven Zuver South average seventeen

1139
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 4: five finals score. So that's going well to give you

1140
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Speaker 4: a sense. Speaking of sport, esports, how big they are.

1141
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Speaker 4: The IOC Olympic Committee vote for Saudi Arabia to host

1142
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Speaker 4: the first ever Esports Games next year. Are they going

1143
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 4: to have medals? Yes, they're also going to have one

1144
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Speaker 4: hundred million dollars in prize money. Now New Zealand Esports

1145
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Speaker 4: chief executive Jonathan Jensen is well as Jonathan morning.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 4: Well could you put a team together to represent New

1148
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 4: Zealand tomorrow with what you would think is a medal chance?

1149
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 4: Are we any good?

1150
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 7: Absolutely depends on the game, because remember that esports has

1151
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 7: lots of different types of games and so we don't

1152
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 7: know the exact details yet. Think of it a little

1153
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 7: bit like athletics. We don't know if it's going to

1154
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 7: be one hundred meter sprints or the high jump with

1155
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 7: a long jump, but depending on the game that we're

1156
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Speaker 7: and we've had great success before. We had a bronze

1157
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Speaker 7: middle and twenty twenty two at the Global Games with

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Speaker 7: Reagan Kelly and Street Fighter and so yeah, no, we're

1159
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 7: absolutely in with a chance, especially because we've been in

1160
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Speaker 7: the esports space for such a long time. We've been

1161
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 7: doing a lot of good stuff some other countries aren't

1162
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 7: quite up to speed with yet.

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Speaker 4: Is that going to change the game, because that was

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Speaker 4: my next question. What game would they use and how

1165
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 4: would they decide what that is? And if it's a

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Speaker 4: game we're not good on, do you change the whole sport?

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Speaker 4: Here by everybody you know tooling up on whatever the

1168
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Speaker 4: game for the Olympics is, because it'll have to be

1169
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Speaker 4: the same game, won't it.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's probably going to be, and that's why they've

1171
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Speaker 7: got their own Olympic Esports games it is because it's

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Speaker 7: going to be. You know, we don't know if it's

1173
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Speaker 7: ten or fifteen different game titles in there. And so

1174
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Speaker 7: that's a little bit of the world that we've always

1175
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 7: lived in, is that we've always been prepared for. You know,

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Speaker 7: is there going to be a E football? Is it

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Speaker 7: going to be a street fighter? Is it going to

1178
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Speaker 7: be a sim racing? And I think in this instance

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Speaker 7: we're guessing. An educated guess would be that they'll have

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Speaker 7: almost all of them. There'll be a lot of different

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Speaker 7: things there, and so it's about sending a big, wide

1182
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Speaker 7: range of teams. We might have, you know, twenty athletes

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Speaker 7: going over there to compete.

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Speaker 4: Do you call them athletes?

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Speaker 1: Ah?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely is esport and.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to get into this, but I have

1188
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 4: is an athletic pursuit per se. I'm not against these sports.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, is it an athletic pursuit?

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Speaker 7: Look, remember that gaming and esports is different. And if

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00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 7: you were if you just go to the beach with

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Speaker 7: some mates and you throw up all around, you wouldn't

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Speaker 7: call yourself in all black and jumping on the couch

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Speaker 7: and playing games. Isn't the sports but the competitive aspect

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Speaker 7: of esports. I think, you know, I could answer this

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Speaker 7: question one hundred different ways. I could tell you about

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Speaker 7: how the commitment and the discipline and the team workers exists,

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Speaker 7: or I could tell you about, you know, at a

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Speaker 7: top level, all of the health sciences that go into

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Speaker 7: being a successful you know, esports player. But the Olympics

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Speaker 7: they've got We've got an Olympic Esports games now, and

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Speaker 7: so I think that discussion is fairly close.

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Speaker 21: Is it a sport for everyone?

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Speaker 7: No, but you know it's at the Olympics now.

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Speaker 2: You win.

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Speaker 4: Good point. Jonathan Jensen, who's the New Zealand esports CEO,

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Speaker 4: with us this morning speaking of sports show. I discovered

1208
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. It's called Match Fit. It's

1209
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 4: got Graham Henry in it and Tabot de Nikau and

1210
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 4: there are a couple of coaches and they all explain

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00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 4: it all in the moment. Any Peter Alertini and Louis

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00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 4: Anderson are former Warrior. Of course, I will ask him

1213
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 4: how we're going to fix the Warriors, obviously, but they're

1214
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 4: part of the season so well alone, we'll have a

1215
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 4: chat about men's health and mental health and all that

1216
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 4: sort of stuff for you in a couple of months

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Speaker 4: after the News, which is next. You're a news Talks Edny.

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Speaker 3: The breakfast Show, You Can Trust, the Mic Hosking Breakfast

1219
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: with a Vita, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News Talk

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Speaker 3: said b.

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Speaker 4: Right was seven plast names. First reality television goes, there's

1222
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Speaker 4: not about combo. Actually, you get some well known people

1223
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Speaker 4: to do some stuff that improves your health. Match Fit.

1224
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 4: It's back for its fourth season. It's ex rugby union

1225
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 4: rugby league athletes getting themselves back into shape, both physically

1226
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 4: and mentally. They're coached each team's coach by Graham Henry

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Speaker 4: and Towado Nico. First episode came out last night on

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Speaker 4: TV three. Peter Alertini and Louis Anderson, two of the contestants,

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Speaker 4: both are with us. Good morning, Good morning love. I'm

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00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 4: extremely well. Let me it's difficult to know where to start.

1231
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: So first of all, it's a good show, and I

1232
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 4: discovered it by accident, and I like the vibe a bit,

1233
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 4: and I like what it's trying to do. So this

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01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 4: time round it's contest between union and league, and you

1235
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 4: add up all the numbers and you got the fat

1236
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 4: and the age and what you lose and all that

1237
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Speaker 4: sort of stuff. What's more important to me. I'll start

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Speaker 4: with you Louis is my fascination with athletes, elite athletes

1239
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 4: and when you're coming to the ind of your career,

1240
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Speaker 4: how much time is put into the idea of what

1241
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 4: I look like feel like health wise post when I

1242
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Speaker 4: stopped being an elite athlete.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean everybody's different. Obviously, in my situation, I

1244
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 23: trained just out of that was the habit that I

1245
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 23: had developed over my career training right, So hung the

1246
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 23: boots up and continued training. But then when I realized

1247
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Speaker 23: I was training really for nothing, I started not training

1248
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Speaker 23: and this got into bad habits and a bit lazy,

1249
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Speaker 23: and that's when you start running into some health issues

1250
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 23: and things like that as we get older. But for me,

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Speaker 23: I didn't put much time into it. Man, I just

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Speaker 23: carried on training because that's what I'd done fifteen years.

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Speaker 4: And saying with you, Peter or not, yep, I was.

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Speaker 14: I was very similar.

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Speaker 24: I think when I retired, I came back and got

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Speaker 24: in a role with Bucket on a rugby club as

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Speaker 24: director of rugby. So I was around rugby still, although

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Speaker 24: there was no obviously the competition as such to play

1259
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Speaker 24: in for myself. But I just got and actually got

1260
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Speaker 24: to train, enjoy training so much more outside of just footy.

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Speaker 24: So I was probably more in that, like you stake

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Speaker 24: of knowing that it's part of it, but managed to

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Speaker 24: find something more than just training for rugby. So that

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Speaker 24: was that was kind of my my kind of purpose

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Speaker 24: in terms of life after.

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Speaker 4: We don't have to give the results away because that's

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Speaker 4: all part of the show and stuff. But some of

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Speaker 4: the some of the guys are blown out in a

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Speaker 4: big way. What happens? How do you blow out? Because

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Speaker 4: here's my thinking, once you be you don't have to

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Speaker 4: be an elite athlete forever, obviously, but the health benefits

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Speaker 4: of being well surely must you must clock them. How

1273
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Speaker 4: do you fall apart?

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Speaker 24: I think in my case, when I see guys that

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Speaker 24: are blown out, I think it's through the experiences are

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Speaker 24: supposed to have as a trainer during that time. Where

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Speaker 24: for some guys that's one part where where they didn't

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Speaker 24: really like training when they were professionals, did it because

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Speaker 24: they had to, and then once it was finished, then

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Speaker 24: they decided not to do it anymore. The other part

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Speaker 24: is around I think guys just go, like we all do,

1282
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Speaker 24: some challenges that are a bit more than taken and

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Speaker 24: the last thing they want to do is trained to

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Speaker 24: keep them well. You know, I don't think they understand

1285
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 24: that part of how it links that you know, your

1286
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 24: physical ability will definitely help your mental ability. So that's

1287
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Speaker 24: that's what I kind of felt for some.

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Speaker 4: See, the interesting thing for both of you are frauds

1289
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Speaker 4: in the scene status because you both you both look fantastic.

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Speaker 4: You don't carry much weight if you look at some

1291
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 4: of the other guys, your biometric age is way under

1292
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 4: what actually it is and all that sort of thing.

1293
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 4: So as far as the competition is concerned, what Louis

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01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 4: did you add to it? Because I mean, how much

1295
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 4: weight could you lose? How much? I mean, you're already found.

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Speaker 4: You look at you're a specimen of a man.

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Speaker 23: Oh you're very kind. But I think what's interesting is

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Speaker 23: when you do a body scan, it gives you information

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Speaker 23: that you cannot see.

1300
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Speaker 12: On the scales.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that freaking Yeah?

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Speaker 14: And that's for me.

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Speaker 23: During the show, that was the where my changes really

1304
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 23: took place. The weight was a different story, but you'll

1305
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 23: see that on the show. But yeah, it's even though

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01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 23: sometimes we can train, we don't see the scales going down,

1307
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 23: but the actually internal changes are huge.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And did you understand that as an athlete going

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Speaker 4: in or not?

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Speaker 22: Really?

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Speaker 12: Not really?

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01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 23: I mean, like we're talking about before, like you train

1313
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 23: so much as a professional athlete that sometimes you can

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Speaker 23: have a not greater diet, but because you're running every day,

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Speaker 23: you're burning it, you get away with it, and then

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01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 23: when you stop, you stop training, you still have the

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01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 23: bad diet and that's when the weight goes on.

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Speaker 4: So hy is Peter in your sceense, you were around

1319
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Speaker 4: at a time when that sort of thing transformed the game,

1320
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of fitness and diet and nutrition

1321
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 4: and the professionals within the side that gave you the

1322
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 4: information you may or may not have needed.

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Speaker 24: When I was in the game, that was stuned to

1324
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 24: come through right, you know, I was kind of in

1325
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 24: the transition where they like, this is really important for

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01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 24: your performance as such. So when I left, I was

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01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 24: still kind of unshort, like is it really the same thing?

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Speaker 14: Probably didn't worry too.

1329
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Speaker 24: Much about diet, just trying to outtrain it as such.

1330
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 24: You know, playing have fun. But I think in my

1331
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 24: latter years in Japan, being around people there, I started

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Speaker 24: again kind of being a bit more particular knowing I

1333
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Speaker 24: suppose that the older I was getting older. So every

1334
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 24: time I keep coming back and I want to keep

1335
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 24: playing on you to kind of stay fit as such.

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Speaker 24: But it is it is that that kind of internal

1337
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 24: side I think as the scariest part where you think

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01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 24: you even even as a fit body, but all of

1339
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 24: a sudden, you know, you could you sugar levels could

1340
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 24: be higher, or.

1341
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 14: There's an imbalanced and you don't know.

1342
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 24: Yeah yeah, So kind of to get in those messages

1343
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 24: around getting regular checkups and all that kind of stuff

1344
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 24: become makes sense as you.

1345
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 4: Listen, hold on, Peter Alertini, Louis Anderson match fits the

1346
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Speaker 4: game or the show more. In a moment twelve past.

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Speaker 2: Eight, the Mike Hosking Breakfast Talk a.

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Speaker 4: Bit caught a past date, Peter Alertini, Louis Anderson with us.

1349
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 4: Now listen, I'll tell you what, Louis. It was interesting

1350
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 4: on the show. How do you deal with the culture

1351
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:24,959
Speaker 4: of bloats talking about health?

1352
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 12: Right?

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01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 4: So, I'm looking at the opening and I won't give

1354
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 4: too much away, but there's an element of nervouses there,

1355
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 4: some of them, some of them are going to have

1356
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 4: to face up to some you know, pretty serious challenges.

1357
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 23: Yeah, you did, right, It takes a bit of courage

1358
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 23: because everyone's you know, there's probably embarrassment involved with some

1359
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 23: things as well, hopping on scales and knowing how much

1360
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 23: body fat you're carrying at the time. So it definitely,

1361
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 23: you know, it takes a bit of carriage to get

1362
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 23: up there and expose yourself to each other. But you know,

1363
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 23: it was a safe, safe place for us to open

1364
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 23: up not just about our weight and issues, health issues,

1365
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 23: but also mental struggles as well well. So that's what

1366
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 23: the what I like about the show. It just doesn't

1367
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,439
Speaker 23: cover your physical challenges, but also the mental side.

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Speaker 4: What about the mental side for you, Peter? Is that

1369
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,919
Speaker 4: a thing? Has it been a thing? Is it a thing?

1370
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 4: Is it with any of the other guys? Did you

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01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 4: take that side of it as a surprise or not?

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Speaker 24: No, Look, it's not for myself because I know, I

1373
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 24: know how hard it is mentally to really to talk

1374
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 24: about what you're going through and your challenges and you know,

1375
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 24: and I'm no different. The last few years have been

1376
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 24: very challenging in my own personal life. But yeah, the

1377
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 24: key around just kind of reconnecting, being able to share

1378
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 24: and kind of you know you share, is like that

1379
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 24: there's no pressure. This shit, you know, it's in your

1380
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 24: feel and and where you're at. But there's a real

1381
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 24: beautiful thing when you when you reach those heights and

1382
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 24: you just want to share what I suppose what the

1383
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 24: group has done for yourself to be able to overcome

1384
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 24: that now and put some things in place to go forward.

1385
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 14: And we know it's it's not the show.

1386
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 24: Is a beautiful thing, but we know that it's after

1387
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 24: the show that you know, when you when you expand again,

1388
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,439
Speaker 24: how do you find those little nations that you've picked

1389
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 24: up from there to carry carry through your journeys.

1390
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 4: That's a mental discipline though. That's right, isn't it? Which

1391
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 4: is the other thing that it fascinates me, Lou about

1392
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 4: you know elite athletes do is mental discipline? Not natural?

1393
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 4: Is that taught in that sense? You know how some

1394
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 4: people are born to just you are what you are,

1395
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, definitely.

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01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 23: I mean I came into the Warriors when I was young,

1398
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 23: and I learned a lot of a lot about discipline.

1399
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 23: I mean, depending on your home environment and what discipline

1400
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 23: is instilled there, if there is, but going there, learning

1401
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 23: how to train when no one's watching you, and all

1402
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 23: that sort of thing I had to learn all that

1403
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 23: I didn't naturally have that Again, you know, I went

1404
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 23: to boarding school and learned sort of a bit of

1405
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 23: discipline down there as well. But yeah, sometimes it's not

1406
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 23: natural in us, and we learned that in the professional environment.

1407
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 4: So are you happy with these days?

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 2: Peter?

1409
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 4: And when I asked that question, the other thing that

1410
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 4: fascinates me about people is once you've been an elite athlete,

1411
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 4: you know you're going to retire young. That's just the

1412
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 4: way it is. And perhaps what you do at that

1413
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 4: time is the greatest thing you will ever do in

1414
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 4: your life. And then there's another forty years. Have you

1415
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 4: had to deal with that or not?

1416
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 2: Really?

1417
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 14: Yes, you've heard it right in the head. I have.

1418
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 14: I thought I was during that time professional.

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01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 24: Of course, we reached the heights and I did, and

1420
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 24: then it became once I finished in Japan, even though

1421
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 24: I was involved in rugby and did all the coaching,

1422
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 24: understanding all the different pathways for kids, there was still

1423
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 24: I think it was deep inside. There was still things

1424
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 24: that I hadn't dealt with. One kind of the finishing

1425
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 24: understanding that games, games done and all that, but even

1426
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 24: some disappointments, I think throughout my career that I hadn't

1427
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 24: outworth that kind of surfaced. Never thought it a surface thought.

1428
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 24: It dealt with it then, but it surfaced at some

1429
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 24: point in my life. But in terms of I suppose

1430
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 24: just getting older, a little bit more patient, a little

1431
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 24: bit more oderstanding, has got me to a place where

1432
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 24: I can honestly say that I'm going to your place

1433
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 24: kind of more more understanding and just more content good

1434
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 24: and life is life is good, and the kids are

1435
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 24: all growing to great ages and their living life to

1436
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 24: their fullest. So then for myself now it's like cool,

1437
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 24: Like that's that was one of the other guys post

1438
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 24: Rugby was that making sure that the kids are all

1439
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 24: good and healthy and happy and looking at a living life. Right,

1440
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 24: So that's been cool, and that's where I'm at now

1441
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,719
Speaker 24: and really really happy around fantastic.

1442
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 4: The most critical question of the whole interview, though, Louis,

1443
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 4: is what do we do with the Warriors? Then come on, yeah, yeah,

1444
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 4: you go out. I mean, you know, I got twenty

1445
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 4: six years, twenty seven years invested in the side, and

1446
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 4: Webster was the hero and he was going to save

1447
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 4: us all, and we've started off well this season. Then

1448
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 4: it all falls apart, and then we beat the Dolphins

1449
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 4: and the Panthers, and then we lose to the Titans,

1450
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 4: and then Harris Devita can't kick you know, come.

1451
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 12: On, yeah, it's you know.

1452
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 23: I always always thought when you when you're when your

1453
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 23: team's mottos, keep the faith, it's it's to worry. But

1454
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,839
Speaker 23: you know, I think last year they sit that by

1455
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 23: that bar so high and they did so well, especially

1456
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 23: webs first season, And I mean, like I always support

1457
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 23: the Warriors when when when we'll lose. So I think

1458
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 23: they're just going through a little patch at the moment.

1459
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 23: But I hope they just finished the season strong and

1460
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 23: carry that on into next season.

1461
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 4: Okay, but no, no, I've got no answer.

1462
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: I've got no answer. You've got no answer.

1463
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 23: But I'm like you man, I'm you know, I just

1464
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 23: hope they do well and turn it around for the

1465
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 23: rest of the year.

1466
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 14: So I look at it as I reckon, we're we

1467
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 14: really struggle.

1468
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 24: Like the expectation was high, but that's always got to

1469
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 24: be in our sporting life. When when you get to

1470
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 24: that spot, the key around the players, when they get

1471
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 24: to that spot, it's like and it's going to come

1472
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 24: harder next year, So what are we doing to match

1473
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 24: it and go further because now now we've done the

1474
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 24: hard yards to get that and people are behind us.

1475
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 24: So it's always like I always feel, even with kids,

1476
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 24: when we work with the first think kids, it's like,

1477
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 24: once you set the bar high, you've got to keep going.

1478
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 24: You can't come back down. So it's that acting. I

1479
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 24: think we've to still the man.

1480
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 4: I think Webster is definitely the man. Are you two

1481
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 4: of the men as well? It's fantastic to see you both,

1482
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 4: and good luck at the Shaga. Nice to talk to you,

1483
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 4: Peter Alertini and Louis Anderson this morning. By the way,

1484
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 4: the participants in the show Allie Lati, this will take

1485
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 4: down memory Land. This of the league side, obviously, Ali Latiti,

1486
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 4: Henry far Feeley, Colo, Leslie Voniccolo, Clinton Torpie, Louis Anderson

1487
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 4: and Paul for Tata And as far as rugby is concerned, Alertini,

1488
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 4: weepoo bunts, Spencer, Miller and Fisa.

1489
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 15: We're having a bit of a discussion about how much

1490
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 15: Calus Spencer needs to tidy himself up.

1491
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 4: That's that's why I was talking to Sam before we do.

1492
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 4: I said, this Spencer guy, what a fraud, you know,

1493
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 4: the whole toffee pop business. The guy looks ridiculous, especially against.

1494
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 15: Some of them who maybe he's got a blood sugar

1495
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 15: problem or something we don't know about.

1496
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 4: It could be that twenty two past eight.

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Speaker 4: B vitamins in there as well. That supports the sleep

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1517
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Speaker 4: but you won't beat up lesters oil element twelve, magnesium

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Speaker 4: oh eight hundred, triple nine three oh nine, pasking Mike,

1519
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Speaker 4: what's the show called again? Match fi TB three Singapore

1520
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 4: safest city in the world. They do the annual You know,

1521
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 4: which is the safest city in the world. Singapore tends

1522
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 4: to win. It's one again. Sixty cities analyz to be

1523
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:14,520
Speaker 4: thinking about a holiday Singapore, Tokyo, Toronto, Sydney, Zurich, Copenhagen,

1524
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 4: soul Osaka, Melbourne, and Amsterdam. And they all feel don't they.

1525
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 4: If you've been to all of it, they all feel safe,

1526
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 4: don't they? They all look safe. When I say those names,

1527
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 4: you think, oh you that safe. Karachi not so much.

1528
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 4: Karraks though the worst. The best is Singapore with zero points.

1529
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 4: In other words, they don't have any problems. You look

1530
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 4: at all the problem categories, they get zero points, so perfect.

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01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 4: At the other end of the sky of karrak is

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01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 4: one hundred. It doesn't get any better. Than that level

1533
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 4: four do not travel advisory Karachi second me and mas Jangong.

1534
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,839
Speaker 4: You don't want to go there right either, So just

1535
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 4: heads up, don't say I didn't warn you. Use in

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01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 4: a couple of moments. So we'll deal with these seven

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01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 4: MPs out of labor. They've only been in power for

1538
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 4: what three and a half minutes, and already they're crossing

1539
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 4: the floor and already sekias having to suspend them. So

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01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 4: seven of them are down. So we'll get the update

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01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 4: from rodin little as we take you to the UK,

1542
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 4: the United Kingdom. After the news, which is next. You're

1543
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 4: on the mic Hosking Breakfast.

1544
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: Big News, Bold Opinions, The mic Hosking Breakfast with.

1545
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: Jaguar, The Art of Performance News togs EDB.

1546
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 4: Now that I've given you the safest cities in the world,

1547
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 4: the most powerful passport in the world is of course,

1548
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 4: not only is Singapore the safest city and the world's

1549
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 4: got the most powerful passport in the world. We should

1550
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 4: be more like Singapore. It's my message, quite simply, small

1551
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 4: island nation, five million people, How can they can do it?

1552
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 4: We can't. So Singapore most powerful passport in the world,

1553
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 4: followed by France, Germany, Italy, Japan and Spain. They're all

1554
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:51,879
Speaker 4: second equal Austria, Finland, Island, Luxembourg, Netherlands, South Korea, Sweden, next, Belgium, Denmark,

1555
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 4: New Zealand, Norway, Switzerland, UK. I mean, depending on how

1556
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 4: you want to do it, fourth or fourteen hundred and

1557
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 4: ninety points.

1558
01:14:58,400 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 12: So does that mean exactly?

1559
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 15: So is it when you put it in the in

1560
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 15: the reader thing? No, and it scans its there is

1561
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 15: that long pause. But if you've got a Singaporean one,

1562
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 15: does it go like instantly.

1563
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 4: Just big ticks straight away. It is visa free access

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01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 4: to one hundred and ninety states and countries. The more

1565
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 4: mobile you are, the better it is. Worse or the

1566
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 4: biggest improver is the UAE. It's gone from sixty second

1567
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 4: to ninth. Venezuela has gone backwards from twenty fifth to

1568
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 4: forty second. So we're okay, not so good in the safety,

1569
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 4: but okay in the passports. Twenty two minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 17: International correspondence with Insit Eye insurance, peace of mind for

1571
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 17: New Zealand business.

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01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 4: We've inted the introds without this time. But we've got

1573
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of labor in Peace suspended seven of them.

1574
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 4: One of them was Epsana Begum.

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01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 9: It's something that's been going on for some time, and

1576
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 9: there is widespread popular support for scrapping the two child

1577
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 9: benefit cap, which we know at many think tanks, research

1578
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 9: organizations and anti poverty charities have said very clearly it

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01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 9: would immediately lift out hundreds and thousands of children from poverty.

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01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 4: And so there's the device. Anyway, Rod rods Little is

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01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 4: with us.

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01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 21: Morning Mac, Good morning to you mate.

1583
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 4: We played a little cap from one of the suspendees

1584
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 4: from the Labor Party, one of the seven, and she

1585
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 4: seemed somewhat surprised that she'd been suspended. Otherwise, what are

1586
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 4: these people thick or they didn't realize the rules of

1587
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 4: what's gone on.

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01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 21: Well, it's interesting it took Boris Johnson a couple of

1589
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 21: years before he lost seven MP's to buy who voted

1590
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 21: against him. It's taken Sakir three weeks. This was a

1591
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 21: vote on child benefit, you know, should we pay child

1592
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 21: benefit regardless of how many children people have. The Tories

1593
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 21: put a cap on two and Sakiir Starmer's put a

1594
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 21: cap on two. This has led to a large number

1595
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,879
Speaker 21: of left wing MPs and activists within the party changing

1596
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 21: the name of Sakir Starma to Sir Kid Staver, which

1597
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,799
Speaker 21: is quite neat. It's caused trouble for the Labor Party,

1598
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 21: There's no doubt about that. Obviously. The government won its

1599
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 21: vote on This was an SNP amendment, a Scottish National

1600
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 21: Party amendment about scrapping the cap on two children for

1601
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 21: child benefit. The government won with great ease. But not

1602
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 21: only were the seven people voting against, including an intelligent

1603
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 21: person John McDonald, as well as six Morons, but there

1604
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 21: were also forty odd Labor MPs, including a few I

1605
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 21: know quite well and some of whom were friends, who

1606
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 21: refused to vote at all. And it, as one Labor

1607
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,839
Speaker 21: MP said to me the other day, off the record,

1608
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 21: so I'm going to give the name. There are going

1609
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 21: to be many, many very hard fights ahead with this.

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01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 4: Government exactly, which is my next question? Is this going

1611
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 4: to be and we talked about this before, part of

1612
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 4: the size of the muster. When you win that big,

1613
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 4: you get a lot of people in there that's going

1614
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 4: to cause you trouble.

1615
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 21: Yes, yes, it is, Yes it is. Though I'm not

1616
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 21: sure that the size of the majority matters that much.

1617
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 21: What matters is the degree to which Sakir s Darma

1618
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 21: differs at heart and a core from the vast majority

1619
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 21: of the Labor Party activists, who I suspect if you

1620
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 21: cold all the Labor Party activists this afternoon, ninety percent

1621
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 21: of them would have been in favor of those seven

1622
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 21: people who voted against. So, you know, I think that

1623
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 21: is the problem in a way, you know, we compare

1624
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 21: it to the Tony Blair years. Tony Blair sorted out

1625
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 21: the party before he called into office. Skiers half sorted

1626
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 21: it out, but it's not quite there.

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01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, how yesterday on the Progres before we leave politics,

1628
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 4: I featured a little bit of James Cleverly hit the

1629
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 4: socials to try and spook himself as the Tory Party leader.

1630
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 4: Is James Cleverly a man of the future or not?

1631
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 12: Really?

1632
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 21: It's so impossible to tell with the Tories, because they

1633
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 21: always alight upon someone who was entirely improbable to lead

1634
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 21: them in the end, But because of the nature of

1635
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 21: their election campaign, I don't think so. I mean, I

1636
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 21: think there are things which are good about him, but

1637
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 21: I don't think he has the pull with the activists which,

1638
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 21: for example, Kenny Badanock has I don't think or INDI

1639
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 21: swella braverman, and I don't think he has the kind

1640
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 21: of breadth that someone like Tom Tugganhat has, for example.

1641
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 21: So I think he's probably an outsider. And I've never

1642
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 21: heard him say anything which interested me or made me think, well,

1643
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 21: there's an intelligence at work and we ought to look

1644
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 21: out for this guy. I don't mean that to be rude.

1645
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 21: He may have said it and I missed it, you know,

1646
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 21: you know I can't. But there are a lot of

1647
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 21: people put in their stalls out at the moment. And

1648
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 21: I said to Tom took an Hat yesterday, who is

1649
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,799
Speaker 21: one of them? Sorry? Tom, you are the only white

1650
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 21: male in this contest.

1651
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 4: Good luck with that exactly. Hey, Olympics, miss Doujardan, who

1652
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 4: isn't going? How much trouble is she? And how big

1653
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 4: a story is this?

1654
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 21: It's a big story over here. We don't like that

1655
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 21: kind of stuff. What happened is she's one of our

1656
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 21: topic questrians. She's in Paris for the Olympics, and she

1657
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 21: was filmed whipping her horse twenty four times in a

1658
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 21: rather vindictive manner. I have to say, and certainly what

1659
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 21: many people have called a sadistic and vicious manner, and

1660
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 21: she's now been forced to withdraw said she made a misjudgment.

1661
01:20:53,479 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 21: Yeah right, and it has resonated big time here. People

1662
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 21: are glad that she's no longer in it. The cruelty

1663
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 21: to animals really really rubs up the British public the

1664
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,799
Speaker 21: wrong way. And you know, if I were James Cleverly,

1665
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,879
Speaker 21: I would cuddle a puppy every time I'm in public.

1666
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 21: This kind of thing is also important because it tilts

1667
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 21: into this general animosity towards equestrian sports, which includes horse

1668
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 21: racing where so many horses die every year, the Grand National,

1669
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 21: where there's always a casualty every year, and indeed now

1670
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 21: even into the more genteel confines of equestrianism. So yes,

1671
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 21: it has resonated front page of every newspaper and a

1672
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 21: big deal.

1673
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 4: All right, mate, go well, catch up next week Ron

1674
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 4: a little out of Britain for sixteen away from nine

1675
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 4: quickly Rodalby, please, he already knows. But the former Chancellor

1676
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 4: Za Howie turns out to be part of a group

1677
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 4: in an Invista group. The Telegraph in the newspaper is

1678
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 4: along with the Spectator. This is where Rod comes in

1679
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 4: because Rod works for the Spectator, among other things, is

1680
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 4: for sale. They thought they had a deal about six

1681
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 4: hundred million pounds one point two billion. They thought they

1682
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 4: had a deal with a Gulf backed consortium Redbird. Government

1683
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 4: went well, hold on, we don't like the look of that.

1684
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 4: So they got it. They got involved, and so that

1685
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 4: sale was scuppered. So they've gone back to the market again,

1686
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 4: open process. They think there's about twenty interested parties, one

1687
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 4: of which is Zahawi and his group of mates, so

1688
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 4: Rod may end up working with him. Eight forty five

1689
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 4: the my hosting Racist twelve away from nine. We seem

1690
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 4: to be on a theme, so Passport's safety the other

1691
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 4: stand I can give you this morning of the fastest

1692
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 4: growing towns in America. Nine out of ten of them

1693
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 4: are in Texas, so they're on fire. Mike, there's a

1694
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 4: comedy on Netflix called Utopian. It's a great documentary on

1695
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 4: government department. It's not a documentary, it's comedy and I've

1696
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 4: seen it and it's old. Not that it being old

1697
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 4: is a problem, but if you haven't seen so, it's

1698
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 4: quite entertaining. I also note that Counta Reeves has written

1699
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 4: a novel. Although I do know I've read a couple

1700
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 4: of articles about that he's co written a novel, and

1701
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 4: the inference was he may not have spent a lot

1702
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 4: of time actually doing the writing, so more co than

1703
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 4: writing anyway. The Book of Elsewhere it's written in collaboration

1704
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 4: with a science fiction author called China Melville. It's about

1705
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 4: an immortal warrior who wants to be able to die,

1706
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,759
Speaker 4: and Kano says he thinks about dying all the time,

1707
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 4: but that's he says that in a positive way. What

1708
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 4: I do know about Conu Reeves is I've just literally

1709
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 4: was it last night of the night before? I can't remember.

1710
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 4: I finished the final episode of his program on Disney

1711
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 4: called Braun Brwn. It's named after a person Ross, and

1712
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 4: it's about one the F one season of eight nine Braun.

1713
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 4: I won't bore you with the story, but it's in

1714
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 4: the end I've decided. I told you about it a

1715
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, and I said, you really got

1716
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 4: to be an F one wonk. I've changed my mind,

1717
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 4: you don't. There's a lot of car racing in it,

1718
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 4: but it's the store that's more important of will and

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Speaker 4: determination of luck, and it's brilliantly done. And it's only

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Speaker 4: something interesting about these streaming services they seem to pop

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Speaker 4: and this seemed to be some sort of passion project

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Speaker 4: of counter Reebs. It turns out to be some f

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Speaker 4: one freak. So all of a sudden, so it deals

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01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 4: with Jensen Button and Rubens Barrichalo. Rubens Barrichalo was one

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01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 4: of the drivers for Braun in this particular season, and

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01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 4: so he turns up. They're chatting about the second to

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Speaker 4: final race of the season and it's in its Interlagos

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Speaker 4: in Brazil, and counter goes and then all of a sudden,

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01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,839
Speaker 4: you get to the second to last race, change a picture.

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01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 4: They turn up sitting on the back straight together, so

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01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 4: the whole thing is shot with Kuno in one seat,

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Speaker 4: the guest and another. Suddenly bang they're on the back

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01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 4: straight up into Lagos. So, in other words, for what

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01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:55,520
Speaker 4: turns out to be maybe a minute ten in the documentary,

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01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 4: they've traveled to Brazil, taken two seats, sat in the

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Speaker 4: middle of into Largos and thought, let's film this here.

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Speaker 4: Someone has budget beyond belief. So the rest of the

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Speaker 4: time they're back in England. So it's well worth watching

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01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 4: and Jensen Button and you'll not I won't give it away.

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01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 4: Jensen Button in the final episode tells a story that

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01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 4: gives you everything you need to know about how to

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01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 4: succeed in life. It's one of the most moving moments

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01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 4: you'll ever see. It's absolutely superb nine to nine.

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Speaker 3: The costume Breakfast's with a Vita retirement Communities News Tom saidb.

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Speaker 4: Mike, So, after covering the various economic stories this morning,

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01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 4: could it be said that the Central Bank has us

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01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 4: right where it wants as well? It's the great debate,

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01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 4: of course do they If they do, then the cuts

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01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 4: are coming. If they don't, then they're not urgent, says

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01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 4: the text urgent. What was the program with Jensen Button's

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01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 4: called braun brawn just before I finished boring you witless

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01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 4: with f one, Max with staffand's taking a ten place

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01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 4: green penalty this weekend at the Belgian Grand Prix. And

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01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 4: the importance of that is Max doesn't drive or win

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01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 4: the way he used to, and they've got points problems

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01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 4: and within the next couple of races of things keep

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01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 4: going the way they are, McLaren's going to overtake them constructors,

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01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:06,560
Speaker 4: at which points people are going to leave teams and

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01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 4: people are going to get sacked. And this is where

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01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 4: Liam Wild fits into the jigsaw puzzle. What are you doing, Glenn?

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01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 4: You're the needle on the record there. What are you doing?

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01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,520
Speaker 4: You're fucking around with a record player again stop it.

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01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 4: It is five minutes away from nine trending.

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01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: Now we Humous Warehouse your home of Winter Essentials.

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01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 4: Bob Dylan movie, because we can't have enough Bob Dylan movies.

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01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 4: It's called a complete unknown set from the song what's

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01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,759
Speaker 4: the song that comes from? What is that song? Anyway?

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01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 4: Have a listener. Who's who? Here's your quiz? Start up

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01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 4: at teen? Who's playing Bob?

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Speaker 20: A few months back, my friend would have Guthrie in

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01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 20: a We met a young man.

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01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 4: He dropped in on us out of nowhere, and he

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01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 4: played us the.

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01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 25: Song beve You've been my booad son?

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01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 1: Who have you been?

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01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 20: My darling?

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01:26:55,320 --> 01:27:03,440
Speaker 25: Young one has some along the side of twelve misty mountains.

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01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 25: I walked in, I crawled on six crooked highway. I've

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01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 25: stepped in the middle of seven sad fires. I've been

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01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 25: out in front of a dozen biddles. I've been ten

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01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 25: thousand mouths in the mouth of a greed in time.

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01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 4: I turned to something when he dies. He will be

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01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 4: seen as I've decided it's final, so there's no debate

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01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 4: when it does happen. He is the greatest singer songwriter.

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01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 12: Of all time.

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01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 4: Just listen to the words. They're too clever. Paul Simon

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01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 4: had come close, but he's better. Timothy Shemley is the

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01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 4: answer Edward Norton's. And there is Pete Seeger Ellie Fannings

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01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 4: playing his first love interest, which was sus Rotolo, of course,

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01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 4: although they called her in the movie Sylvie Russo. Probably

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01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 4: something to with lawyers who would know anyway. It's out

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01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 4: in December in theaters like a Rolling Stone is of

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01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 4: course a complete unknown and if you've never heard it,

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01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 4: and I don't know why you wouldn't, But every now

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01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 4: and again, what I like about Bob Dylan is you

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01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 4: discover songs that you didn't know about Bob Dylan. You

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01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 4: got Not Dark Yet. There it's too late, No, don't

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01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 4: do that. I hate do you hate me doing that?

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01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 4: At the last minute day and you just go, why

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01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 4: does he do this? Not Dark Yet is probably I

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01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 4: think probably actually there's no argument of this either. Not

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01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 4: Dark Yet, which is not one of his great hits

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01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 4: of all time, is the greatest song that Bob Dylan

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01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 4: ever did, bar none.

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Speaker 12: Just listen to the lyrics.

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01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 4: I play snooker to it every single weekend. I play

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01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 4: it over and it's about six minutes something long. It's

1808
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 4: over and over and over again.

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01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 7: Bring it.

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01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 4: Do this today, listen to the sign text.

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01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:52,719
Speaker 14: Me to on topic.

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01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 4: Gotta listen to the Wodsay back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: As always Adams.

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Speaker 3: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to

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Speaker 3: News Talks at B from six am weekdays, or follow

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