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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 2: It's nineteen to six the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southby's International Realty, local and global exposure like.

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Speaker 2: Noah, Huddle this evening. Chris Shurson from Hurston Willis PR

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Speaker 2: and Ellie Jones from Red PR And I suppose either

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Speaker 2: of you got the invite today or tomorrow, guys, no

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Speaker 2: oh dear, well that makes three of us, so it's

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Speaker 2: all right, Barry's got two invites. We can just we

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Speaker 2: can battle along on our loan. Since hey, it sounds

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Speaker 2: like charities are going to be in the gun when

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Speaker 2: it comes to paying tax, or at least they'll be

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Speaker 2: paying tax on the commercial entities that they operate. Trish,

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Speaker 2: what do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: I think it's a really good thing to do, and

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Speaker 3: it's timely. It's about fairness. It's not in any way,

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Speaker 3: as you pointed out, Jack's structural soul for the government's

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Speaker 3: revenue woes. But I think it is a very good

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Speaker 3: thing to do to review who qualifies. And just because

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Speaker 3: you're called a church these days or your entity that's

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Speaker 3: getting the tax free status is related to a church,

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Speaker 3: that should not give you a free pass from paying

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Speaker 3: your fair share.

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Speaker 2: In my view, Ali, how far should it extend. I mean,

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Speaker 2: could we see EWE forced to pay tax on their

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Speaker 2: commercial operations.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's a really interesting point. I do agree

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Speaker 4: with what Trisha's just said. I think any business that's

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Speaker 4: disguising themselves as a charity or a part of what

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Speaker 4: they do definitely needs to be taxed. Talking about the EE,

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Speaker 4: I raised this issue with regards to Nightaho Fisheries recently

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Speaker 4: after a letter to the press in christ Church highlighted

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Speaker 4: the issue.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 4: They'd posted a rather healthy profit and they do very

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Speaker 4: well and they work very hard. But as soon as

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Speaker 4: I've put it on LinkedIn and had a chat about it,

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Speaker 4: the racist pylon started, And yeah I did. The conversation

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Speaker 4: just had to stop, really and it wasn't about EWE

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Speaker 4: or Nightahu. It was about an example. Nitelli does amazing stuff.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they contribute or donate a huge amount of

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Speaker 4: money from their profits and surely that should come off

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Speaker 4: if you like what they have to pay in tax,

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Speaker 4: just as anyone who donates. But you know, Sanitarium is

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Speaker 4: another and I know that's held up and talked about

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Speaker 4: a lot as an example of this. By the way,

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Speaker 4: did you know they've stopped producing peanut butter. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: h terrible, but yeah, I look, I think it's a

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Speaker 4: very good idea. I don't agree with your position Jack,

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Speaker 4: that they're a bigger fish to fry. I think it's

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Speaker 4: all about fairness, consistency and principle.

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Speaker 2: No, I think they should do it as well. I

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Speaker 2: just think they should do it as an and and

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Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, so all black sever

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Speaker 2: Reese has admitted to a charge of wilful damage after

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Speaker 2: a party in christ Church last year. He's been discharged

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Speaker 2: without convictions, the second time that's happened, Trish, Would he

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Speaker 2: have been discharged if he wasn't in all black?

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Speaker 3: I think it's very hard to make that call, and

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Speaker 3: it sounds like the judge was at pains to point

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Speaker 3: out that that wasn't a factor. I think the biggest

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Speaker 3: question here, though, is one for New Zealand Rugby and

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Speaker 3: its sponsors. These stories are good. They're never good for

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Speaker 3: the game, They're never good for the reputation around it.

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Speaker 3: For you know, everyone is having the same kinds of conversations,

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Speaker 3: and I think with the game in this state that

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Speaker 3: not something that they want in the headlines. And you

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Speaker 3: know this also comes back to personal responsibility of the

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Speaker 3: individual involved. You know, this is the second time, both times,

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Speaker 3: you know, he has admitted to the charges, has been

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Speaker 3: discharged without conviction. And I would say he's probably a

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Speaker 3: very lucky young man if he gets to continue on

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Speaker 3: with his career after this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tricky one, Ellie, isn't it? And and

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Speaker 2: Astris says that the judge was really clear today and

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Speaker 2: going to real pains to try and explain that this

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Speaker 2: wasn't because he was an all black, not because he's

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Speaker 2: a crusader. But there are so many people who look

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Speaker 2: at this and say, you know what this is. This

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Speaker 2: is evidence of a two tiered justice system. There's justice

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Speaker 2: for Joe Schmoe in the street, and then there's a

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Speaker 2: different standard of justice for someone who's got a big

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Speaker 4: I think what you've said suggests to me that there

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Speaker 4: are extenuating circumstances. I mean, to me, this is a

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Speaker 4: slam dunk. Is just what Trish has said. So many

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Speaker 4: people will be thinking and fair enough too, I think

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Speaker 4: that's a very fair position to take, which makes me

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Speaker 4: think there has got to be something else going on

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Speaker 4: in the background here. There must be extenuating circumstances, and

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Speaker 4: I don't know what they are. I wasn't there. I

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Speaker 4: haven't heard the case, so I mean that's all I

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Speaker 4: can say on it. I would really like to hear

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Speaker 4: as well as to what those circumstances were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean it was interesting you set outside

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Speaker 2: court today that he's made really considered in deliberate efforts

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Speaker 2: to try and turn himself around. In the last year,

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Speaker 2: he hasn't had a drop of alcohol, and obviously that is,

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Speaker 2: you know, a contributing factor in all of this. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a really interesting issue. Thanks so much. Guys. Will

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Speaker 2: be back with the huddle in a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 2: Trish Herson and Allie Jones.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the

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Speaker 2: You're back with our huddle this evening, Trish Sharson and

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Speaker 2: Allie Jones. So the Defense Minister do with Collins, says,

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Speaker 2: our defense plan has been delayed because of the deteriorating

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Speaker 2: international security situation in our neck of the woods. In

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Speaker 2: the Pacific and it was interesting. She talked about China's

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Speaker 2: decision to fire an intercontinental ballistic missile into the Pacific

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Speaker 2: and was pretty pretty frank Were you surprised to see

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Speaker 2: her delay this plan ally that that missile firing could

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Speaker 2: push things back.

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Speaker 4: I have to say that defense capability planning and budgeting

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Speaker 4: is not something I would say as an area of

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Speaker 4: expertise for me, Jack. The only thing I would say,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to sell out the Prime Minister. Now, what

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Speaker 4: I can tell you, Jack, is that I think you

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Speaker 4: probably need to know what you need to spend your

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Speaker 4: money on even with this action going on right. I

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Speaker 4: think the concern is that the budget is in early

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Speaker 4: twenty five. They're saying that they may not know this

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Speaker 4: information until early twenty five, and I doubt that's enough

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Speaker 4: time to actually get into the bid process. But I'm

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Speaker 4: sure there are areas in our defense sector if you

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Speaker 4: like that need very serious attention. I don't see why

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Speaker 4: there can't be some announcements related to that now, Tricia.

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Speaker 2: It's tricky, right. We obviously have to completely change the

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Speaker 2: way many parts of our defense force are operating at

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Speaker 2: the moment. The world is a different place to that

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Speaker 2: of ten years ago. But this is going to cost

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Speaker 2: vast sums of money.

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Speaker 3: It is. I mean, Judith Collins, you know she's right

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Speaker 3: on the money. I've reflected this year that you know,

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Speaker 3: we are starting to see people world leaders actually talk

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Speaker 3: about the threat of World War three. Think about the

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Speaker 3: first presidential debate this year with you know where Trump

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Speaker 3: you've got Eden putting out a booklet to its population

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Speaker 3: to prepare for the event of nuclear war. And closer

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Speaker 3: to home, you know, you've got after many decades, China

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Speaker 3: really stepping in to the Pacific and now with the

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Speaker 3: you know, Russia is a better friend to us than

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Speaker 3: the colonious colonial powers. But in and amongst all of that,

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Speaker 3: and with a defense budget of about five hundred million dollars,

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Speaker 3: how would you make a plan for New Zealand. I

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Speaker 3: do not envy Judith Collins or the the the government

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Speaker 3: that task because our spending is so minuscule. We've been

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Speaker 3: good for so many years to a sort of a

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Speaker 3: peacekeeping role, and so what will we do now, especially

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Speaker 3: if you know we're signing up to to UCUST and

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Speaker 3: potentially we're going to be required, like a lot of

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Speaker 3: do more. It's a very challenging situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when you have a naval ship under twenty

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Speaker 2: five meters of water off the coast of some more. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much, guys, really appreciate your time. Trish Huson

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Speaker 2: our Huddle this evening. Thank you for your messages regarding

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Speaker 2: that to It was a really interesting interview with Judith Collins.

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Speaker 2: If you didn't hear earlier, we've made it available at

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Speaker 2: Newstalks hedb dot co dot ented. She was just quite

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Speaker 2: deteriorating security situation in the Pacific, especially with regards to China,

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Speaker 2: the firing of that intercontinental ballistic missile, but also the

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Speaker 2: visiting of a of a Chinese ship to Vanuatu just

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Speaker 2: last month. And it's fascinating to see the kind of

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