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Speaker 2: Hello, you're listening to Matt and Tyler Full Show Podcast

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Speaker 2: number one two six for Tuesday, the twenty second of

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Speaker 2: Juy twenty twenty five. And look, we had a start off.

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Speaker 2: It's quite a good TV chat at the end went

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Speaker 2: a bit off the rails.

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Speaker 3: A lot of discussion about watching five places on your TV.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of older people ring in. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 2: it's there was some good stuff there. Yeah, there was

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Speaker 2: a good stuff, amazing and incredible stuff. So and yeah,

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Speaker 2: pretty fiery chat at one point about whether you should

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Speaker 2: blather on too your work mates about how much you earn.

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Speaker 2: Apparently most I think people think it's a great idea.

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Speaker 2: I personally think it's the height of bad manners to

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Speaker 2: ask someone how much they earn. And you should never

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Speaker 2: tell someone. And if you do, lowball them. Yep, even

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Speaker 2: if you're seven winds deep, just I mention it. Do

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Speaker 2: not mention it whatever they ask. Minimum wage buddy, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: minimum Waves drinks low as you can go. The drinks

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Speaker 2: are on you, buddy. I'm on minimum Waves.

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Speaker 3: And then after talk Clock had a fantastic chat about

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Speaker 3: fashion as well. Do you care where your clothes are

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the league issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News

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Speaker 1: Talk said the very.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday show. Awesome to

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Speaker 3: have your company as it always is. Hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 2: Get a man, get a Tyler, get everyone. Let's get

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Speaker 2: stuck into three hours of exciting talkback one hundred and

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a great show, as it always

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Speaker 3: is after three o'clock. Do you still watch terrestrial TV?

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Speaker 3: This after Sky TV is buying financially trouble TV three

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Speaker 3: for one dollar and what has been called a seismic

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Speaker 3: media move that pits it in a new battle royale

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Speaker 3: with TV AND's.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting to me is how valuable just that button

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Speaker 2: number three is yeah for Sky to have with TV three,

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Speaker 2: Hugely valuable because whilst a lot of people have abandoned

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Speaker 2: completely to watch streaming or whatever, the people that watch

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Speaker 2: terrestrial television, they go one two three. That's about as

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Speaker 2: far as they're willing to flick.

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Speaker 3: You're right, Yeah, By chances are you found something to

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Speaker 3: watch by that stage. So this is going to be interesting.

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Speaker 3: I don't watch too much terrestrial TV, but when I do,

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Speaker 3: it's because I want to break from making a decision

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Speaker 3: about what to watch. There's something still nice about that nostalgic.

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Speaker 3: But can to hear your views about whether you still

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Speaker 2: Well, have interesting implications for sport being replayed? Yeah on three?

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Speaker 2: And yeah, look, I think it's good for the media

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Speaker 2: just to pay overseas debt. Yeah, I think it's great.

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Speaker 2: The Discoveries swallowed the debt on this whole thing.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. So that is after three o'clock, looking

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Speaker 3: forward to your calls on that. Then after two o'clock

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Speaker 3: do you care where your clothes are made? Milan has

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Speaker 3: to make goods that you pay a pretty penny for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're playing for the brand or the quality.

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Speaker 2: It just seems to me that if it's an Italian brand,

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Speaker 2: the country, right, Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I bought some running shoes a couple of weeks back,

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Speaker 3: those shoes. But that is after two o'clock right now?

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Speaker 3: Should you ever share what you earn with your coworkers?

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Speaker 3: A Labor Party's member bill that seeks to stop employers

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Speaker 3: Employment Real Relations Remuneration Disclosure Bill, and it passed its

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Speaker 2: Look, whether it's in the contract or not. My opinion

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Speaker 2: And I think it's quite crazy that you, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you want what you get paid is between you

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Speaker 3: I get the disharmony aspect that if you're in a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you might be quite happy with what you

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Speaker 2: and you negotiate back forth, and you push as hard

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Speaker 2: number that you're both happy with. Yeah, if Tyler works

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Speaker 2: But that's between Tyler and the employee.

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Speaker 3: Surely it's a who dares win scenario, and I'm with

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Speaker 3: not telling your colleague what you earned. But if there

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Speaker 3: start going through what everybody earns so you don't have

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Speaker 3: to ask anybody any questions? Does that still breed resent

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Speaker 3: that I suppose it would. But if you know what

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Speaker 3: then does that start to give you more ammo to

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Speaker 2: Now I've we don't know what each other earns and

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Speaker 4: It'll lead to people ganging up on people to rumor

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Speaker 4: to when you end up backstabbing. In a general sense

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Speaker 4: and your boss. There's a privacy issue. Obviously, unionize jobs

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Speaker 4: of mass pay are different. But a lot of the

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Speaker 4: and it's a legally binding understanding between you and the

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Speaker 4: now then that's quite get the fallout that's coming. Look,

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Speaker 4: if I told you my income, it'd be a headline

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Speaker 4: and stuff in about half an hour's time in a

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Speaker 4: national debate would ensue and ten thousand keyboard warriors would

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Speaker 2: Are going to be on stuff in fifteen seconds? Mike, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And to your question, yeah, I think we'd be

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Speaker 2: I hope. But look, say Mike had to you know,

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Speaker 2: you know that there can be no clause that says

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Speaker 2: which is the way we have it now. Yep. In

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Speaker 2: and he shouldn't. No, you know what I'm saying, So

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Speaker 2: you know match this businesses, Matt. Surely you understand that

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Speaker 2: the bill isn't going to force anyone to share the

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Speaker 2: Are you suddenly now telling people what they should be

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Speaker 2: I mean a contract is always a Texter max as always.

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Speaker 2: That's what a contract does. It's an agreement with people

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Speaker 2: that's not a free speech issue if that's what you're

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Speaker 2: incredibly impolite to ask someone what they earn, or to

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Speaker 2: So I think it's morally wrong. I think it's morally wrong,

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Speaker 2: You say, I can't tell you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in my contract. Wish I could.

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Speaker 2: I can't. I think that's a great protection for people.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Just another scenario and its difference. But say, I am,

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 3: And that's very different from asking your colleague. I'll get that,

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Speaker 3: But how did you feel about that? Is that a

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I still think it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: you're putting a person on a spot by asking that

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Speaker 2: I know this is how I was brought up. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, our commodore is better than yours. And my

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Speaker 2: then or since, because he was saying, you don't lrd

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Speaker 2: what you've got over other people. You're going to go, Dad,

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Speaker 2: You don't share that kind of that. That's not around that.

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Speaker 2: We just that we treat people. Yeah, it's good. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel

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Speaker 3: about this? Are you in a workplace right now where

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Speaker 3: there is some transparency? Love to hear from you on

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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

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Speaker 3: That'd be very good afternoon to you. So employers may

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Speaker 3: need to be ready to face up to some uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: discussions about employee pay. This is according to some employment experts.

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Speaker 3: There's a bill going through Parliament as we speak. It

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Speaker 3: will get rid of secrecy clauses and contracts which prevent

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Speaker 2: My advice to everyone going forward, even if this crazy

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Speaker 2: It's a can of your salary, It's a can of worms.

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Speaker 2: It'll make things so much more difficult for you going forward.

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Speaker 2: You the business about what you get paid is between

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Speaker 7: I'm definitely you keep your what you're earning private. It's

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Speaker 3: And why do you think it should be private?

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Speaker 2: Windy? Is that?

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with Matt that it's long been discourtiest

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Speaker 2: But well, well, I think it's discourteous for a reason.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of these things that become manners

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Speaker 7: I totally agree it is manners not to ask at

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Speaker 7: It's what I earned is private.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting one because I probably ask for that

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Speaker 7: It's right, totally, Yeah, it's just between you and your employer.

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Speaker 8: What do you say to that?

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Speaker 2: What do you say to people that say that leads

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Speaker 7: Oh, honestly, and truly, it's just a can of Williams

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Speaker 3: And I would mean it, yeah, and fair enough to Wendy,

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Speaker 7: Well, the company shouldn't be doing this. There should be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good argument. Yeah, thanks for your call, Wendy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, but I know, and if there's already

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Speaker 2: but you can't take away the idea that people could

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's why I've always been against collective bargaining.

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Speaker 3: I think that if you are good at your job,

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Speaker 2: So what do people think about this? One hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighteen eighty. This is a text that's come through from

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Speaker 2: Karen morally wrong to stop people getting their worth by

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's a good point. Oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: To get as a gas lighting. If someone comes up

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 4: For the longer way to work out her medical schoolers

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Speaker 2: Are they going to run a model where if you're

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Speaker 4: You get in more easily like a tiger in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: We'll have to focus here is on tracting and retaining

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Speaker 2: So will they or won't they?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if it's developed where a Maori person gets

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Speaker 2: But simple questions.

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Speaker 4: If the regional person that happens to be Murray, will

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why we're doing a review of it.

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Speaker 4: Back tomorrow at six am. The Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: Twenty five past one, should you ever tell your colleague

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That's right, because a new bill will make it such

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Speaker 2: the proposed change does not force anyone to disclose this salary.

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Speaker 2: It just stops an employee bidding forbidding it. Do your

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Speaker 2: are you saying, Mary? One of them does?

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Speaker 9: He just does it? No?

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Speaker 2: Yes, But right now you have got the blanket situation

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Speaker 2: And the next thought is, you won't tell me what

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Speaker 9: As an employer. None of my guys earn the same

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Speaker 9: then I'll pay them less, give them a lesson a

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Speaker 2: So how do do you do you do your employees,

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Speaker 9: Okay, every time there's a general pay rise, you rise

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Speaker 9: But if somebody comes along and says, hey, I think

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Speaker 9: And if they can justify it, and again, oh no,

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Speaker 3: And you sound like a great employer, Wayne, But what

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Speaker 2: So you see what.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying that if you've got if you're a good

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Speaker 9: I think it comes down to negotiation. It's like you

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Speaker 9: then you agree to it. It's a contract. And you

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Speaker 2: Do you think that might favor though? Just do you

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Speaker 9: Well generally speaking, And this is I know you don't

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Speaker 9: Can they rely on that collective bargaining power, and that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna guess in the end to get paid more,

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Speaker 9: Well, not no, not even not even that it's your

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Speaker 9: exceptions and where are but most bosses can look at

438
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Speaker 9: their employees and say, wow, he she is really looking

439
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Speaker 9: after me. And like I've been in the position where

440
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Speaker 9: I've been on commission selling and I've had owners who

441
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Speaker 9: have desperately tried to cap my commission, not even not

442
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Speaker 9: even realizing that the only way I get I got

443
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Speaker 9: commission was by selling their product from them making money. Yeah,

444
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Speaker 9: they're short sighted, Wayne, You.

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Speaker 3: Make some good points thank you very much, and certainly

446
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Speaker 3: I agree on the negotiating skills thing. It is something

447
00:22:08,013 --> 00:22:10,213
Speaker 3: that most people should be schooling up on if you can.

448
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Speaker 2: What do you think of people that get steamed at

449
00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:16,373
Speaker 2: work events and then exaggerate how much they're getting bot

450
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Speaker 2: are the worst of us?

451
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Speaker 3: They are the worst of us. Right, we're going to

452
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Speaker 3: play some headlines railing and standing by them. We're taking

453
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Speaker 3: more of your calls on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: Should you ever tell your colleague what you earned thirty

455
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Speaker 3: two past one?

456
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Speaker 2: Use talks?

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Speaker 10: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

458
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Speaker 10: with the blue bubble. The government says it considered boosting

459
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Speaker 10: other medical schools before deciding a new one at Waikato

460
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Speaker 10: University is appropriate for our population. Auckland University is how

461
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Speaker 10: faculty says it's good news. Otaga University says it's disappointed

462
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Speaker 10: existing school intakes weren't increased, but welcomes the training boost.

463
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Speaker 10: State Highway one will be closed for some hours in

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Speaker 10: the Lower North Island at Monaco after a crash between

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Speaker 10: or Takey and Livin. There are diversions via Palmerston North

466
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Speaker 10: and the Remataka Hill Road them Maria Cuckoo is offering

467
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Speaker 10: kuppas to waiting motorists. Media Minister Paul Goldsmith so Sky

468
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Speaker 10: TV's one dollar purchase of Discovery's kiw TV arm could

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Speaker 10: make TV three stronger and more sustainable. Ministry of Education

470
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Speaker 10: specialist staff for striking for better pay across the country today.

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Speaker 10: It's after months of talks, they say. The latest off

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Speaker 10: a dozen address success of overtime, all the cost of living,

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Speaker 10: how a legend of all blacks coaching is helping the

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Speaker 10: Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylan having a great discussion about

477
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Speaker 3: whether you should ever tell a colleague how much you earn.

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Speaker 3: There is a bill that is going through Parliament, looks

479
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Speaker 3: likely to pass. It's past its second reading. It's got

480
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Speaker 3: the backing of National and Labor alongside the three opposition parties.

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Speaker 3: But this bill will effectively end secrecy clauses and contracts

482
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Speaker 3: which prevent employees from discussing their salaries.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So it's Camilla Bellich's Z Bill to

484
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Speaker 2: outlaw pay secrecy clauses. And my point on this is,

485
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Speaker 2: whatever they do, I don't think it's a good idea

486
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Speaker 2: to do this. But when they do, because it looks

487
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Speaker 2: like they're going to do, not start telling people what

488
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Speaker 2: you get paid.

489
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Speaker 3: Ye, stay mum when you're saving.

490
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Speaker 2: The great thing about it is now you can say, look,

491
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Speaker 2: it's a contract. I can't say.

492
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Speaker 3: Gives you an easy out, which is a.

493
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Speaker 2: Good thing because no one should talk about what they

494
00:24:33,733 --> 00:24:36,613
Speaker 2: get paid. It's an insanely impolite thing to do. But

495
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Speaker 2: a lot of people disagree with me. It's a bit

496
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Speaker 2: different than the public service. Most jobs are advertised and

497
00:24:40,733 --> 00:24:43,933
Speaker 2: have huge salary ranges included, so you get a bit

498
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Speaker 2: of an idea. Up until the late eighties, there used

499
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Speaker 2: to be a book located in every office workplace which

500
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Speaker 2: listed the exact salary of every public servant in the country,

501
00:24:51,653 --> 00:24:53,333
Speaker 2: down to the last dollar. Well, I can kind of

502
00:24:53,413 --> 00:24:57,293
Speaker 2: understand that. Because you know your employee is us, please

503
00:24:57,333 --> 00:25:01,053
Speaker 2: provide different values. People provide different values to employees, says Allen.

504
00:25:01,733 --> 00:25:03,933
Speaker 2: I should a good person who provides less commercial value

505
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Speaker 2: to an organization be made to feel lesser because they

506
00:25:06,653 --> 00:25:09,773
Speaker 2: are told they earn less than their peer. Seems unfair

507
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Speaker 2: to put them in that situation. Employers should pay fear

508
00:25:12,173 --> 00:25:14,693
Speaker 2: wages based on the economic value to give they give

509
00:25:14,893 --> 00:25:15,893
Speaker 2: they bring to the company.

510
00:25:16,453 --> 00:25:17,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is performance pay?

511
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Speaker 2: Right pay? Welcome to show DNA, gentlemen.

512
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree to this new bill. I reckon it's

513
00:25:24,213 --> 00:25:27,253
Speaker 11: a good idea. Why shouldn't it? You know, we talked

514
00:25:27,253 --> 00:25:30,053
Speaker 11: where amongst friends. If you want to better yourself, say

515
00:25:30,093 --> 00:25:32,333
Speaker 11: you think just as good as your friend or work

516
00:25:32,413 --> 00:25:35,413
Speaker 11: mate or whatever, you can go to your boss and say,

517
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Speaker 11: I believe that it keeps the employer honest as well

518
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Speaker 11: if he wants to retain his workers. I've been through it.

519
00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:43,812
Speaker 11: I've been around the block a few times. I've been

520
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Speaker 11: on a few industries. Right, we'll refer to painters for

521
00:25:46,653 --> 00:25:50,533
Speaker 11: an example. Right, You've got that painter working next to you,

522
00:25:50,613 --> 00:25:53,052
Speaker 11: and you're actually a better painter than him. You know

523
00:25:53,133 --> 00:25:55,013
Speaker 11: you are? Will we all know what you were better

524
00:25:55,053 --> 00:25:57,173
Speaker 11: at and better schools? You know, I don't know what

525
00:25:57,213 --> 00:26:00,893
Speaker 11: trade or profession you're in. Why should he be getting

526
00:26:00,933 --> 00:26:02,973
Speaker 11: more than you when you know he's better than him,

527
00:26:03,653 --> 00:26:06,933
Speaker 11: then you better than him. That is wrong the old days,

528
00:26:07,173 --> 00:26:08,693
Speaker 11: was it used to be a ward way? Do you

529
00:26:08,693 --> 00:26:11,773
Speaker 11: probably know about that if I was a carpenter, mechanic

530
00:26:11,893 --> 00:26:17,333
Speaker 11: or whatever, I got paid for my for my yeah,

531
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Speaker 11: for my whatever field our eyes, and I wanted a

532
00:26:20,813 --> 00:26:22,693
Speaker 11: bed in my better mind, Well you will go back

533
00:26:22,693 --> 00:26:25,933
Speaker 11: to like a modamat County. You've got advanced trade. So

534
00:26:25,973 --> 00:26:28,253
Speaker 11: each time you went to get that advanced trade or

535
00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:30,813
Speaker 11: whatever ticket you got, you've got another fifty cents or

536
00:26:30,813 --> 00:26:33,253
Speaker 11: dollar an hour, whatever it was. So if you wanted

537
00:26:33,253 --> 00:26:35,813
Speaker 11: to better yourself, you went and got that qualification. So

538
00:26:36,013 --> 00:26:38,093
Speaker 11: you're saving a dollar an hour what it might be.

539
00:26:38,093 --> 00:26:40,173
Speaker 11: So that's you times it by forty, so did forty

540
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Speaker 11: hours a week. It builds up your pay. No read,

541
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Speaker 11: it is a freedlow system. Soon as the contracts all

542
00:26:45,213 --> 00:26:49,613
Speaker 11: came in in two thousand and two, everything changed, and

543
00:26:49,693 --> 00:26:51,693
Speaker 11: that's why a lot of bosses now they want the

544
00:26:51,733 --> 00:26:53,973
Speaker 11: sect of sea going on. So you don't know what

545
00:26:54,013 --> 00:26:56,413
Speaker 11: your makes are working. And then you find the rose employer.

546
00:26:58,013 --> 00:27:00,693
Speaker 11: You're an honest employer, Why would you worry about it?

547
00:27:00,693 --> 00:27:01,853
Speaker 11: I don't care if you want to come to make

548
00:27:01,893 --> 00:27:04,573
Speaker 11: me get more money and say me as as I

549
00:27:04,573 --> 00:27:07,052
Speaker 11: talk about that painter while picking, you prove it if

550
00:27:07,093 --> 00:27:09,493
Speaker 11: you would do as good as workers me say, David

551
00:27:09,573 --> 00:27:12,453
Speaker 11: or Pete, whatever, I'll give you that, but until you

552
00:27:12,493 --> 00:27:14,693
Speaker 11: can prove that you're the same ability to assume, you're

553
00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:16,693
Speaker 11: not going to get it. Don't cut that I argument out.

554
00:27:16,733 --> 00:27:18,532
Speaker 2: But what could you equally say? If you're better and

555
00:27:18,573 --> 00:27:20,733
Speaker 2: clearly better, you can go to your boss and say, look,

556
00:27:21,253 --> 00:27:25,533
Speaker 2: I'm much better, I'm painting more, I'm making you more money.

557
00:27:25,813 --> 00:27:26,773
Speaker 2: I want to get paid more.

558
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Speaker 11: Yeah, but end of the day, we're all human beings.

559
00:27:30,573 --> 00:27:33,373
Speaker 11: Your talk and if you can talk too much, your mate, hey,

560
00:27:33,453 --> 00:27:36,133
Speaker 11: that's not bad. How come you're getting that? Well, he

561
00:27:36,253 --> 00:27:38,453
Speaker 11: might know that you have got better skills than he.

562
00:27:38,573 --> 00:27:40,853
Speaker 11: Quby knows that, But you.

563
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you be insane? Peter Pete. If you're getting paid

564
00:27:44,653 --> 00:27:46,413
Speaker 2: more than the person that's paying beside you, and they

565
00:27:46,453 --> 00:27:49,053
Speaker 2: asked how much you get paid you, at that point

566
00:27:49,093 --> 00:27:51,293
Speaker 2: you may not know what they get paid, so you'd

567
00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:53,373
Speaker 2: at least hope that they offer what they get paid first.

568
00:27:53,853 --> 00:27:55,573
Speaker 2: You definitely don't want to tell someone what you get

569
00:27:55,573 --> 00:27:57,133
Speaker 2: paid if they're not willing to offer what they get

570
00:27:57,133 --> 00:28:00,293
Speaker 2: paid up. But if that if that is the case,

571
00:28:00,453 --> 00:28:02,773
Speaker 2: and then you say to them, well, I'm getting paid

572
00:28:02,773 --> 00:28:04,893
Speaker 2: this and it's less than and it's more than that person.

573
00:28:05,493 --> 00:28:08,293
Speaker 2: How does that help you? Because now that person resent

574
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Speaker 2: into you.

575
00:28:10,093 --> 00:28:12,853
Speaker 11: No, you resent me. If you're a grown up person

576
00:28:13,293 --> 00:28:15,813
Speaker 11: and you're having a discussion about your how can I

577
00:28:15,853 --> 00:28:16,613
Speaker 11: get better pay?

578
00:28:17,013 --> 00:28:17,653
Speaker 9: But we all do it.

579
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Speaker 11: I've been around the block. I'm six to coming on retime,

580
00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:21,893
Speaker 11: and I've been around the block a few times there

581
00:28:21,893 --> 00:28:24,133
Speaker 11: and back, and we used to talk about it. And

582
00:28:24,173 --> 00:28:27,293
Speaker 11: on site. I worked on construction, so I was a

583
00:28:27,293 --> 00:28:29,933
Speaker 11: welder at the time. We all knew if I was

584
00:28:30,013 --> 00:28:31,613
Speaker 11: standing next to us the weld and you all got

585
00:28:31,613 --> 00:28:33,933
Speaker 11: the pain I read. It's a very good that keeps

586
00:28:34,213 --> 00:28:37,093
Speaker 11: that keeps this. I won't like you're saying this. What

587
00:28:37,133 --> 00:28:39,133
Speaker 11: should I say? You might dump me. It saves a

588
00:28:39,133 --> 00:28:40,293
Speaker 11: lot of the suck hoolding going on.

589
00:28:40,893 --> 00:28:42,973
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, I don't know.

590
00:28:43,093 --> 00:28:44,493
Speaker 3: Advice should ask you to repeat that?

591
00:28:44,613 --> 00:28:44,773
Speaker 12: Well?

592
00:28:44,813 --> 00:28:48,133
Speaker 2: You mean you mean that that you're getting getting favored

593
00:28:48,253 --> 00:28:51,453
Speaker 2: because your buddies with the boss kind of situation that

594
00:28:51,653 --> 00:28:52,893
Speaker 2: is dead right, and that goes on.

595
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Speaker 11: We you all know that. You find a lot of

596
00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:56,333
Speaker 11: these guys that are ringing up now though were employers.

597
00:28:56,413 --> 00:28:58,853
Speaker 11: They don't want it, and you find them they won't

598
00:28:59,053 --> 00:29:01,533
Speaker 11: You go like to the hospitals like their unions. The

599
00:29:01,533 --> 00:29:03,533
Speaker 11: police are all in the same salary. It's all out

600
00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:06,173
Speaker 11: there and open. So why can't you as a worker

601
00:29:06,253 --> 00:29:08,253
Speaker 11: being the same as a as a as a state

602
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:10,733
Speaker 11: sector work. We all know the doctors and nurses what theyre.

603
00:29:10,773 --> 00:29:12,093
Speaker 11: You can go on the site and find that out.

604
00:29:12,413 --> 00:29:15,013
Speaker 11: What should be the difference between you're a sparky paint

605
00:29:15,013 --> 00:29:17,973
Speaker 11: to whatever you are. Why shouldn't you find out why

606
00:29:17,973 --> 00:29:19,853
Speaker 11: should there be a difference in paypicks? You're doing the

607
00:29:19,853 --> 00:29:22,213
Speaker 11: same job. So I said before, if you're a better

608
00:29:22,253 --> 00:29:24,773
Speaker 11: than he is, you can prove that. Well, then the

609
00:29:24,813 --> 00:29:26,373
Speaker 11: bostile party will say to you, well he's a better

610
00:29:26,413 --> 00:29:28,173
Speaker 11: than you, Well prove that. If you can do the

611
00:29:28,173 --> 00:29:30,053
Speaker 11: same with I, say Mike or me or draw John

612
00:29:30,133 --> 00:29:33,173
Speaker 11: or whatever, then you can say, well, you do the

613
00:29:33,213 --> 00:29:34,853
Speaker 11: same work as he in the day, I'll give the

614
00:29:34,893 --> 00:29:35,333
Speaker 11: same pain.

615
00:29:35,493 --> 00:29:37,853
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you don't need to know anything to

616
00:29:37,893 --> 00:29:40,613
Speaker 2: do that. If you're good, be good and go and

617
00:29:40,653 --> 00:29:45,533
Speaker 2: ask for more money. And look, I mean on another side,

618
00:29:45,573 --> 00:29:47,493
Speaker 2: if you want to go to someone else, yeah, and

619
00:29:48,573 --> 00:29:49,813
Speaker 2: you know, because you're good, you want to go and

620
00:29:49,853 --> 00:29:53,333
Speaker 2: work somewhere else, And you don't have the clause in

621
00:29:53,373 --> 00:29:57,013
Speaker 2: your contract to say that you are you can't talk

622
00:29:57,053 --> 00:30:00,253
Speaker 2: about what you get paid. Then you go when you're

623
00:30:00,253 --> 00:30:02,053
Speaker 2: trying to get more money from someone else to get

624
00:30:02,093 --> 00:30:03,613
Speaker 2: to compete with your current employer.

625
00:30:03,693 --> 00:30:06,733
Speaker 3: It's a great negotiating technic, absolutely that if you're a plumber,

626
00:30:06,733 --> 00:30:08,973
Speaker 3: you go to Dave with another company and hey, John,

627
00:30:09,013 --> 00:30:10,813
Speaker 3: Dave's off of me this, can you match it? And

628
00:30:10,853 --> 00:30:13,133
Speaker 3: if John can't match it, then you walk. That's the

629
00:30:13,133 --> 00:30:15,293
Speaker 3: way the world works, isn't it? Dog eat dog? Oh,

630
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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty Thank you very much for your call,

631
00:30:17,213 --> 00:30:18,933
Speaker 3: Pete I eight hundred eighty ten eighties and number.

632
00:30:18,813 --> 00:30:21,893
Speaker 2: Course, And isn't there certain I know? How do I

633
00:30:21,933 --> 00:30:25,893
Speaker 2: put this? It's an employeer might have their reasons to

634
00:30:25,933 --> 00:30:29,653
Speaker 2: pay you more or less, judged on their particular criteria.

635
00:30:29,853 --> 00:30:30,053
Speaker 9: Yep.

636
00:30:30,453 --> 00:30:32,373
Speaker 2: And you don't know what that clo criteria is. You

637
00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:34,573
Speaker 2: might stand there and think I'm an amazing I'm amazing

638
00:30:34,573 --> 00:30:36,493
Speaker 2: at my job and I'm credible, But then your management

639
00:30:36,573 --> 00:30:38,933
Speaker 2: might be going, well, actually you're not. You can're not

640
00:30:39,013 --> 00:30:42,253
Speaker 2: bringing much money in. Sometimes the people that are looking

641
00:30:42,373 --> 00:30:45,533
Speaker 2: at the whole picture can see how good you actually are. Yeah,

642
00:30:45,613 --> 00:30:46,453
Speaker 2: seventeen to two.

643
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Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred and

644
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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons news talks.

645
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Speaker 2: They'd be very good afternoon.

646
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Speaker 3: Due it is a quarter to two and we're asking

647
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Speaker 3: the question, should you ever tell your colleague how much

648
00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:03,813
Speaker 3: you earn? A divided response on the text machine, but

649
00:31:03,853 --> 00:31:05,253
Speaker 3: plenty of calls to get to as well. Oh, eight

650
00:31:05,373 --> 00:31:06,613
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.

651
00:31:06,693 --> 00:31:08,333
Speaker 2: This is a good point from Craig. Guys. Reality is

652
00:31:08,333 --> 00:31:10,493
Speaker 2: most people don't get an opportunity to bargain their pay rate.

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Speaker 2: You're given a rate and that's it. I mean that

654
00:31:13,453 --> 00:31:16,653
Speaker 2: does have that That is the case for a lot

655
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Speaker 2: of people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Paul, you reckon.

657
00:31:20,653 --> 00:31:21,893
Speaker 2: It's nobody else's business.

658
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Speaker 12: Hello, guys, how are you this afternoon?

659
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Speaker 2: Very well? Mate?

660
00:31:28,413 --> 00:31:32,053
Speaker 12: Good. I listened to that last guy, Pete renting and raving,

661
00:31:32,173 --> 00:31:35,893
Speaker 12: and I sort of wonder where he came from. But anyway,

662
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Speaker 12: I'm similar, age sixty four. I've worked in the trades,

663
00:31:42,813 --> 00:31:50,133
Speaker 12: basically engineering, spent most of my life mobile guys in

664
00:31:50,173 --> 00:31:54,933
Speaker 12: the workshop where I worked, we're on a less rate

665
00:31:55,013 --> 00:31:58,453
Speaker 12: than I was, reason being I was willing to go

666
00:31:58,613 --> 00:32:03,213
Speaker 12: out go and do a job and if it went

667
00:32:03,253 --> 00:32:06,613
Speaker 12: past past four, I stayed till I finished it, which

668
00:32:06,693 --> 00:32:09,173
Speaker 12: might be eight o'clock, might be nine o'clock. I'll be

669
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Speaker 12: ten o'clock. But did the job and I didn't have

670
00:32:13,253 --> 00:32:17,173
Speaker 12: to go back. You know, it went back to basics.

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00:32:18,453 --> 00:32:20,453
Speaker 2: How did you know you were getting paid more than

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00:32:20,453 --> 00:32:21,493
Speaker 2: the other people, Paul.

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00:32:22,293 --> 00:32:25,733
Speaker 12: Well, the reason bank I got asked several times what

674
00:32:25,933 --> 00:32:30,013
Speaker 12: I was on because I had a vehicle and I

675
00:32:30,133 --> 00:32:33,133
Speaker 12: was always out and about and I got to ask

676
00:32:33,253 --> 00:32:34,813
Speaker 12: what I got paid, and I said, well, what are

677
00:32:34,853 --> 00:32:37,653
Speaker 12: you paid? You know, we were working the same place.

678
00:32:37,693 --> 00:32:39,173
Speaker 12: They told me, and I said, well, I'm on the

679
00:32:39,213 --> 00:32:42,813
Speaker 12: same as you, and I wasn't, but I never sat in.

680
00:32:43,653 --> 00:32:46,733
Speaker 12: I said, well, I'm on the same as you. It's

681
00:32:46,773 --> 00:32:48,853
Speaker 12: just so I worked long because I need the money.

682
00:32:49,493 --> 00:32:54,093
Speaker 12: But it's no one's business what you are in. I

683
00:32:54,133 --> 00:32:58,853
Speaker 12: had a vehicle. A few other guys had vehicles too.

684
00:32:59,933 --> 00:33:01,973
Speaker 12: They're only how to use them for work. When I

685
00:33:02,093 --> 00:33:06,573
Speaker 12: rate my contract the companies and every company I've worked for,

686
00:33:07,013 --> 00:33:10,973
Speaker 12: it was written and I could for personal use. I

687
00:33:11,093 --> 00:33:16,413
Speaker 12: never told anyone that, but I did. And it comes

688
00:33:16,453 --> 00:33:18,733
Speaker 12: down to what you're willing to put in. If it

689
00:33:18,973 --> 00:33:21,213
Speaker 12: was at the end of the day, if you're a

690
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Speaker 12: good worker and you're going to be relied on and

691
00:33:24,653 --> 00:33:26,453
Speaker 12: they know you're going to do the job and do

692
00:33:26,533 --> 00:33:28,973
Speaker 12: it properly, did.

693
00:33:28,813 --> 00:33:30,933
Speaker 2: You go in and did you go to your employees

694
00:33:31,013 --> 00:33:34,213
Speaker 2: each time it was a negotiation round pay and say look,

695
00:33:34,253 --> 00:33:38,453
Speaker 2: I'm you know I'm doing all this, I'm worth more,

696
00:33:38,733 --> 00:33:39,373
Speaker 2: Pay me more.

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00:33:40,573 --> 00:33:45,653
Speaker 12: No, we had a yearly most places I've worked at

698
00:33:45,733 --> 00:33:49,773
Speaker 12: for the last twenty years, we had a yearly interview

699
00:33:51,333 --> 00:33:54,653
Speaker 12: and negotiate your pay. And they give you a contract,

700
00:33:54,693 --> 00:33:56,773
Speaker 12: you take it away, have a look at it, across

701
00:33:56,853 --> 00:33:59,213
Speaker 12: out shit you didn't like, and put on what you

702
00:33:59,253 --> 00:34:03,853
Speaker 12: wanted to put in, and negotiate a line in between.

703
00:34:04,053 --> 00:34:08,213
Speaker 12: And it always worked for me. I've never had an issue.

704
00:34:08,493 --> 00:34:13,053
Speaker 12: It's quite clean and straightforward and as no one else's

705
00:34:13,093 --> 00:34:14,773
Speaker 12: business as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 2: But thank you for your call, Paul appreciated. This whole

707
00:34:16,933 --> 00:34:19,652
Speaker 2: conversation is just a storm and a teacup. If you

708
00:34:19,693 --> 00:34:21,813
Speaker 2: ask me, says this text. If you don't want anyone

709
00:34:21,813 --> 00:34:23,933
Speaker 2: to know what you get paid, simply don't tell them.

710
00:34:24,093 --> 00:34:27,173
Speaker 2: Hiding mind. A contractual secrecy clause is just a slightly

711
00:34:27,213 --> 00:34:30,533
Speaker 2: more convenient way of saying no, different employees have different

712
00:34:30,573 --> 00:34:33,613
Speaker 2: values to their employees based on their performance and or experience,

713
00:34:33,813 --> 00:34:36,133
Speaker 2: and should be paid differently based on that. If you

714
00:34:36,213 --> 00:34:43,053
Speaker 2: get offender trying to bring this text up, disappear because

715
00:34:43,093 --> 00:34:46,533
Speaker 2: so many texts are coming through. If you get offended

716
00:34:46,693 --> 00:34:48,773
Speaker 2: that a colleague is getting paid more, then maybe you

717
00:34:48,813 --> 00:34:51,013
Speaker 2: need to improve your performance or engage in some growd

718
00:34:51,093 --> 00:34:53,893
Speaker 2: up negotiations with your employer to match your perceived value.

719
00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:55,733
Speaker 2: None of this is news. It has always been the

720
00:34:55,773 --> 00:34:58,733
Speaker 2: case and will continue to be regardless of the new bill.

721
00:34:59,293 --> 00:35:01,973
Speaker 3: Good text, but I still agree with you that having

722
00:35:02,013 --> 00:35:04,133
Speaker 3: that to be having the ability to stay I really

723
00:35:04,213 --> 00:35:07,053
Speaker 3: can't because some of my contract is an easy out

724
00:35:07,053 --> 00:35:09,373
Speaker 3: for a lot of people. People be asked that question

725
00:35:09,413 --> 00:35:12,053
Speaker 3: by their colleagues. That's a really awkward conversation to have

726
00:35:12,373 --> 00:35:14,253
Speaker 3: and just say, oh no, I don't really want to.

727
00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:16,533
Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean that's an awkward conversation to have.

728
00:35:16,893 --> 00:35:19,413
Speaker 3: It just puts you on the defensive. So nice easy,

729
00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:22,173
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, So my contract, I can't done deal. You know,

730
00:35:22,253 --> 00:35:23,373
Speaker 3: nobody can argue against that.

731
00:35:23,453 --> 00:35:26,652
Speaker 2: It's just legislating what is a sensible culture. If you

732
00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:28,893
Speaker 2: ask me, and what I was always taught you don't

733
00:35:28,893 --> 00:35:32,732
Speaker 2: discuss money with people. You don't discuss how much things

734
00:35:32,773 --> 00:35:35,933
Speaker 2: are worth or how much people get paid, because over

735
00:35:36,013 --> 00:35:40,293
Speaker 2: time we've discovered that that leads to terrible outcomes. So,

736
00:35:40,373 --> 00:35:43,773
Speaker 2: as you say, Tyler, if everyone knows that you can't

737
00:35:43,813 --> 00:35:49,573
Speaker 2: say it, then it just disappears the conversation. I think

738
00:35:49,613 --> 00:35:51,893
Speaker 2: that's where it should be. If you think you're worth more,

739
00:35:52,333 --> 00:35:55,013
Speaker 2: go into bat for yourself and say that you're worth more. Yeah,

740
00:35:55,253 --> 00:35:57,573
Speaker 2: nicely said. And then if you don't get paid more,

741
00:35:57,613 --> 00:36:01,093
Speaker 2: and you're so amazing that you're getting underpaid, then there's

742
00:36:01,173 --> 00:36:02,413
Speaker 2: people that will want you. Yep.

743
00:36:02,413 --> 00:36:04,093
Speaker 3: We've got to play some messages when we come back

744
00:36:04,133 --> 00:36:05,812
Speaker 3: a few more calls. It is tend to do.

745
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Speaker 1: Matty taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

746
00:36:11,653 --> 00:36:16,293
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSV News Talks.

747
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Speaker 3: There be it is seven to two and we're talking

748
00:36:18,493 --> 00:36:20,373
Speaker 3: about discussing your salarialthy co workers.

749
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Speaker 2: Is it ever a good idea? Other workers should be better?

750
00:36:23,453 --> 00:36:25,453
Speaker 2: That someone is being paid more shouldn't be a bit of

751
00:36:25,493 --> 00:36:27,613
Speaker 2: the being paying more than reality, it's the one getting

752
00:36:27,653 --> 00:36:29,652
Speaker 2: paid less that's bringing down the rate for everyone else.

753
00:36:29,693 --> 00:36:31,613
Speaker 2: Good point. That's a good point. If someone's not willing

754
00:36:31,613 --> 00:36:34,373
Speaker 2: into working there is not willing to negotiate hard enough

755
00:36:34,413 --> 00:36:39,053
Speaker 2: to bring the pay ups such that the employer has

756
00:36:39,093 --> 00:36:42,772
Speaker 2: a level because because it's amazing how things the way

757
00:36:42,813 --> 00:36:45,453
Speaker 2: people look at things, you know, when negotiations and stuff.

758
00:36:45,493 --> 00:36:47,013
Speaker 2: If you have a big number and then it comes

759
00:36:47,093 --> 00:36:48,733
Speaker 2: down to half of it, even if that number was

760
00:36:48,733 --> 00:36:50,253
Speaker 2: way bigger than you needed to start, that's the way

761
00:36:50,253 --> 00:36:52,573
Speaker 2: people think on things, right, race to the bottom. Yeah. Yeah,

762
00:36:52,653 --> 00:36:56,533
Speaker 2: So if someone's willing to do the job for very little,

763
00:36:56,773 --> 00:36:59,013
Speaker 2: that doesn't help everyone else a team down. Yeah, it's

764
00:36:59,053 --> 00:37:01,613
Speaker 2: a good points. Good staff should be paid enough to

765
00:37:01,613 --> 00:37:04,172
Speaker 2: stop them looking don't make the mask Colin. Yeah, well,

766
00:37:04,173 --> 00:37:08,933
Speaker 2: I mean that's a wise if you're an employer and

767
00:37:08,373 --> 00:37:12,333
Speaker 2: and you you you'd want to evaluate your employees as

768
00:37:12,693 --> 00:37:14,813
Speaker 2: best you can and play them, pay them such that

769
00:37:14,853 --> 00:37:17,373
Speaker 2: they're happy if they're a good employee, and pay them

770
00:37:17,373 --> 00:37:17,933
Speaker 2: what they're worth.

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00:37:18,173 --> 00:37:21,413
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, Tim, how are you this afternoon?

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00:37:22,653 --> 00:37:22,853
Speaker 13: Yeah?

773
00:37:22,893 --> 00:37:24,333
Speaker 14: I'm well, guys, how are you good?

774
00:37:24,373 --> 00:37:26,493
Speaker 3: You reckon there should be transparency.

775
00:37:27,653 --> 00:37:30,413
Speaker 14: Well I started off that way, and you know, if

776
00:37:30,413 --> 00:37:33,772
Speaker 14: the show goes you listen and here's where I'm at now.

777
00:37:35,213 --> 00:37:38,573
Speaker 14: If someone wants to know what you get paid, redirect

778
00:37:38,573 --> 00:37:42,373
Speaker 14: them to your employer, and that's what they're there for

779
00:37:42,533 --> 00:37:46,293
Speaker 14: to deal with that kind of thing. And if they

780
00:37:46,333 --> 00:37:50,293
Speaker 14: have the front to go and ask your boss, your employer,

781
00:37:50,773 --> 00:37:55,013
Speaker 14: what you get paid, maybe that might drop them into

782
00:37:55,093 --> 00:37:59,813
Speaker 14: a conversation and it gives them an opportunity to look

783
00:37:59,853 --> 00:38:04,533
Speaker 14: at pathways. You know, if you get paid more than

784
00:38:04,533 --> 00:38:06,172
Speaker 14: they do and they want to get up to where

785
00:38:06,173 --> 00:38:10,053
Speaker 14: you are. Kill see the opper tunity discussed pathways of

786
00:38:10,173 --> 00:38:12,773
Speaker 14: how to get there rather than just I want the

787
00:38:12,813 --> 00:38:16,053
Speaker 14: same as ease getting because I mean, an employer is

788
00:38:16,053 --> 00:38:19,813
Speaker 14: always going to ask, here, why do you deserve that? Well,

789
00:38:19,853 --> 00:38:22,773
Speaker 14: why should I pay you that? Well, you know, and

790
00:38:22,853 --> 00:38:26,133
Speaker 14: the important might have an idea for them, might want

791
00:38:26,133 --> 00:38:28,013
Speaker 14: them to do it bit of retraining or.

792
00:38:28,693 --> 00:38:30,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm not sure I feel about that though,

793
00:38:30,413 --> 00:38:33,093
Speaker 2: because I get what you're saying, but I don't know

794
00:38:33,133 --> 00:38:35,653
Speaker 2: if I would like Tyler's not happy with his job

795
00:38:36,133 --> 00:38:39,093
Speaker 2: and he goes to where bosses and says, Matt won't

796
00:38:39,133 --> 00:38:41,853
Speaker 2: tell me what he gets paid. You tell me, and

797
00:38:41,893 --> 00:38:44,533
Speaker 2: what's my pathway to get there? Yeah, And they'd have

798
00:38:44,573 --> 00:38:46,973
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, Tyler, you'll never be met He.

799
00:38:49,253 --> 00:38:51,453
Speaker 3: Well, what I mean if I asked the bosses that

800
00:38:51,573 --> 00:38:53,453
Speaker 3: they'd say, get out of my office, is that you

801
00:38:53,493 --> 00:38:54,573
Speaker 3: can't have that information.

802
00:38:55,893 --> 00:39:00,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, it's funny how many people assume

803
00:39:00,373 --> 00:39:02,133
Speaker 2: I'm getting paid at all. So thank you very much

804
00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:08,973
Speaker 2: for those people. Yeah, I can see. I can see

805
00:39:08,973 --> 00:39:12,732
Speaker 2: what people mean to a certain extent. But in the end,

806
00:39:12,893 --> 00:39:17,173
Speaker 2: what I personally believe that that a blanket out that

807
00:39:17,213 --> 00:39:20,533
Speaker 2: you don't you cannot discuss it is great for the culture.

808
00:39:20,813 --> 00:39:22,493
Speaker 2: And I just think when you open it up to

809
00:39:22,533 --> 00:39:25,373
Speaker 2: everyone talking about it and people being expected to talking

810
00:39:25,373 --> 00:39:27,773
Speaker 2: about it, people have wranging people about it. And then

811
00:39:27,773 --> 00:39:31,533
Speaker 2: when you don't say what you're paid, then the person

812
00:39:31,573 --> 00:39:33,613
Speaker 2: assumes they're getting paid more than you. But maybe they

813
00:39:33,613 --> 00:39:35,133
Speaker 2: just don't want to say it, maybe they're less, maybe

814
00:39:35,133 --> 00:39:36,373
Speaker 2: the same. Maybe the more they just don't want to

815
00:39:36,373 --> 00:39:38,173
Speaker 2: say it than you assume there's more, you get jealous,

816
00:39:38,173 --> 00:39:41,533
Speaker 2: you get resentful. I just think it all bad idea.

817
00:39:41,533 --> 00:39:44,172
Speaker 2: It just makes things miserable. I think work hard, back

818
00:39:44,213 --> 00:39:46,213
Speaker 2: yourself and ask for more money if you think you

819
00:39:46,293 --> 00:39:46,773
Speaker 2: deserve it.

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00:39:47,213 --> 00:39:49,093
Speaker 3: And just quickly can I say if you're not good

821
00:39:49,093 --> 00:39:52,493
Speaker 3: at negotiating. Get good at negotiating. That is such an

822
00:39:52,533 --> 00:39:55,253
Speaker 3: important life skill, not just in your work but in

823
00:39:55,293 --> 00:39:57,493
Speaker 3: general life. If you can't negotiate, read a book and

824
00:39:57,533 --> 00:39:58,213
Speaker 3: get good.

825
00:39:58,053 --> 00:40:00,893
Speaker 2: As Richard Branson said, Train people so they can leave,

826
00:40:01,373 --> 00:40:04,853
Speaker 2: pay people so they don't wise news coming.

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Speaker 1: Up talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor

828
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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News Dogs.

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Speaker 9: It be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program

831
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Speaker 3: six past to thank you very much for listening. As always,

832
00:40:20,173 --> 00:40:22,053
Speaker 3: hope you having a good day. This is going to

833
00:40:22,053 --> 00:40:25,733
Speaker 3: be an interesting discussion. A real deep dive article in

834
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Speaker 3: the New Zealand Hero today about some high end fashion

835
00:40:28,973 --> 00:40:31,493
Speaker 3: houses over in Mala Milan as a city. They are

836
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Speaker 3: cracking down on some of these big fashion houses who

837
00:40:34,253 --> 00:40:38,133
Speaker 3: have been accused of using cheap Chinese labor, paying them

838
00:40:38,213 --> 00:40:41,093
Speaker 3: very poorly to produce these products that most of us

839
00:40:41,133 --> 00:40:43,333
Speaker 3: in the will pay a lot of money.

840
00:40:43,053 --> 00:40:49,613
Speaker 2: For disgusting behavior. Disgusting. So do you care who made

841
00:40:49,733 --> 00:40:55,493
Speaker 2: your designer goods, your flash your flash outfits, your designer furniture.

842
00:40:55,813 --> 00:40:58,172
Speaker 2: Do you care that the people that made it get

843
00:40:58,213 --> 00:41:02,093
Speaker 2: paid well? Or do you just want it because it's

844
00:41:02,093 --> 00:41:03,493
Speaker 2: got the label on it, and as long as the

845
00:41:03,573 --> 00:41:06,173
Speaker 2: quality remains, then that's all you care about.

846
00:41:06,253 --> 00:41:10,013
Speaker 3: This is going to sound really heartless, and I believe

847
00:41:10,053 --> 00:41:12,813
Speaker 3: about some ethical considerations when it comes to my clothes,

848
00:41:12,813 --> 00:41:15,973
Speaker 3: but the number one thing for me is quality. So

849
00:41:16,133 --> 00:41:18,613
Speaker 3: I buy clothes that are going to last the distance.

850
00:41:18,813 --> 00:41:21,613
Speaker 3: Do I really care where they're made from? If I'm

851
00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:24,212
Speaker 3: being honest, I don't know if I do. I mean,

852
00:41:24,253 --> 00:41:26,613
Speaker 3: the perception for a lot of people is if they

853
00:41:26,613 --> 00:41:29,573
Speaker 3: are made in places like China or Thailand or Southeast

854
00:41:29,613 --> 00:41:31,933
Speaker 3: Asia or some of those other countries, that the quality

855
00:41:31,973 --> 00:41:34,853
Speaker 3: is very poor. But that's not always the case. So

856
00:41:34,933 --> 00:41:37,533
Speaker 3: if I buy a product that is going to last

857
00:41:37,573 --> 00:41:40,053
Speaker 3: the distance and I get value for money, then is

858
00:41:40,093 --> 00:41:42,693
Speaker 3: a secondary thing. If it's looking after its workers and

859
00:41:42,733 --> 00:41:45,093
Speaker 3: doing good things for the environment and all that other stuff,

860
00:41:45,373 --> 00:41:48,093
Speaker 3: then that's great, but that's a secondary issue.

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00:41:48,133 --> 00:41:49,813
Speaker 2: Well what tissue are you wearing there, Tyler?

862
00:41:49,853 --> 00:41:52,773
Speaker 3: This is one from Connor Connor, So Connor would be

863
00:41:53,013 --> 00:41:56,253
Speaker 3: I would say, I'm going to upset some companies here,

864
00:41:56,253 --> 00:41:59,013
Speaker 3: but I'd say Connor would be a step up from

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00:41:59,093 --> 00:42:02,453
Speaker 3: helen Stein's, maybe just to step up from helen Stein's.

866
00:42:03,093 --> 00:42:05,893
Speaker 3: So this T shirt here costs me twenty three dollars,

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Speaker 3: So it's Connor the shop yep was the shop ah

868
00:42:09,453 --> 00:42:11,933
Speaker 3: okay one in Sylvia Park that I go to, right, and.

869
00:42:12,253 --> 00:42:14,093
Speaker 2: They make good stuff. And you know where this stuff

870
00:42:14,173 --> 00:42:15,413
Speaker 2: is made? I know for Twitter.

871
00:42:15,413 --> 00:42:17,333
Speaker 3: No, I don't wow, Actually I do now because I'm

872
00:42:17,333 --> 00:42:18,973
Speaker 3: just saving a wee. Look at the tep here and

873
00:42:19,013 --> 00:42:22,333
Speaker 3: this won't surprise anyone. For twenty three dollars, this was

874
00:42:22,373 --> 00:42:26,893
Speaker 3: made in China, right, So I kind of knew that

875
00:42:26,933 --> 00:42:28,533
Speaker 3: when I When you pay twenty three dollars for a

876
00:42:28,573 --> 00:42:31,653
Speaker 3: T shirt, you're kind enough, tyler.

877
00:42:31,693 --> 00:42:36,533
Speaker 2: You've just said, you've said that you buy quality. Yeah,

878
00:42:36,613 --> 00:42:39,053
Speaker 2: and you and that's all you care about. And then

879
00:42:39,093 --> 00:42:41,333
Speaker 2: we investigate your T shirt that you're wearing. We find

880
00:42:41,373 --> 00:42:43,733
Speaker 2: out it's twenty three dollars, which has got to be

881
00:42:43,773 --> 00:42:45,693
Speaker 2: the cheapest T shirt I've ever seen in my life,

882
00:42:46,133 --> 00:42:50,013
Speaker 2: and it's made in China. I missed a step a minute.

883
00:42:50,213 --> 00:42:53,172
Speaker 2: What is what's so quality about that that T shirt

884
00:42:53,173 --> 00:42:54,252
Speaker 2: compared to say, what I'm wearing?

885
00:42:54,333 --> 00:42:56,533
Speaker 3: Let me rephrase, because I missed an imported component here,

886
00:42:57,053 --> 00:42:59,173
Speaker 3: the quality to price ratio.

887
00:42:59,293 --> 00:43:00,253
Speaker 2: So I missed the price.

888
00:43:00,893 --> 00:43:03,533
Speaker 3: For twenty three dollars, I know that this T shirt

889
00:43:03,613 --> 00:43:05,693
Speaker 3: is going to last a lot longer than something I

890
00:43:05,733 --> 00:43:07,093
Speaker 3: buy from click On, for example.

891
00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:09,773
Speaker 2: So you don't care who's made it, the conditions they

892
00:43:09,813 --> 00:43:15,853
Speaker 2: work on, whether the whether the designer is designing one

893
00:43:15,893 --> 00:43:18,533
Speaker 2: country making another, whatever. You don't care about anything as

894
00:43:18,573 --> 00:43:21,212
Speaker 2: long as it's gonna last a certain amount of time.

895
00:43:21,253 --> 00:43:22,533
Speaker 2: The quality, yep, yep.

896
00:43:22,773 --> 00:43:24,453
Speaker 3: And I'd say even more so for some of these

897
00:43:24,493 --> 00:43:29,413
Speaker 3: big brands like Georgio or Douar or if I said that, right,

898
00:43:29,733 --> 00:43:32,653
Speaker 3: Dior and what was the other one. Louis Vaton is

899
00:43:32,733 --> 00:43:35,933
Speaker 3: under the under the spotlight as well. So those brands,

900
00:43:35,973 --> 00:43:39,573
Speaker 3: I've got no personal affiliation or any sort of emotion

901
00:43:39,693 --> 00:43:42,652
Speaker 3: directed towards those brands. But then I look at some

902
00:43:42,773 --> 00:43:46,373
Speaker 3: of the former New Zealand brands and I take that

903
00:43:46,373 --> 00:43:48,373
Speaker 3: that hurts me a bit more, the likes of Katman

904
00:43:48,453 --> 00:43:50,813
Speaker 3: do when that was sold and went off shore, that

905
00:43:51,013 --> 00:43:54,173
Speaker 3: really annoyed me. Yeah, mac Pack, similar deal, because I

906
00:43:54,293 --> 00:43:57,773
Speaker 3: used to really love their products. Arguably they still do

907
00:43:57,853 --> 00:43:59,933
Speaker 3: similar products, but the very fact that they took it

908
00:43:59,973 --> 00:44:02,293
Speaker 3: away from New Zealand it lost that essence that I

909
00:44:02,333 --> 00:44:02,973
Speaker 3: cared about there.

910
00:44:03,413 --> 00:44:08,692
Speaker 2: So Louis Vauton, right, is it's expensive stuff, right, I mean,

911
00:44:08,733 --> 00:44:12,453
Speaker 2: for me, it's yachting based, but you got a yacht

912
00:44:12,733 --> 00:44:16,653
Speaker 2: no but of it there. They're long time supported. The

913
00:44:16,653 --> 00:44:19,212
Speaker 2: America's Cup has made me think of Louis Vuton as

914
00:44:19,213 --> 00:44:21,893
Speaker 2: being America's Cup before anything else, because I don't buy

915
00:44:21,893 --> 00:44:26,093
Speaker 2: any Louis Vuitton stuff. But if Louis Vuton has been

916
00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:29,133
Speaker 2: selling It's It's items for as much as it does,

917
00:44:29,693 --> 00:44:32,333
Speaker 2: then I want them made in France, where they're from.

918
00:44:32,813 --> 00:44:35,733
Speaker 2: I don't want them smashed out in a different country

919
00:44:36,253 --> 00:44:38,933
Speaker 2: because what are you paying for you're paying I don't

920
00:44:38,973 --> 00:44:41,413
Speaker 2: know if you're going to pay that much. I guess

921
00:44:41,413 --> 00:44:42,853
Speaker 2: if you're going to pay that much as people pay

922
00:44:42,853 --> 00:44:44,493
Speaker 2: for Louis Vuton, it's nothing to do with the quality

923
00:44:44,493 --> 00:44:45,893
Speaker 2: of it. It's just so people can see that you've

924
00:44:45,933 --> 00:44:49,013
Speaker 2: got a Louis Vuitton bag. It's a way for people

925
00:44:49,973 --> 00:44:51,813
Speaker 2: to signal that they're wealthy.

926
00:44:51,893 --> 00:44:53,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, status thing, absolutely one.

927
00:44:54,453 --> 00:44:58,813
Speaker 2: So I guess from Louis Vuton's perspective, it's it's it

928
00:44:59,373 --> 00:45:01,293
Speaker 2: starts to be a problem for them when when when

929
00:45:01,293 --> 00:45:03,652
Speaker 2: it gets out, if it gets out that they're paying

930
00:45:03,693 --> 00:45:05,613
Speaker 2: their work is not very much to make it, and

931
00:45:05,653 --> 00:45:08,893
Speaker 2: that the actual quality and you know that the the

932
00:45:08,933 --> 00:45:12,533
Speaker 2: cost of the materials to make it and such is

933
00:45:12,973 --> 00:45:16,973
Speaker 2: very low, and what you're paying for primarily is the brand.

934
00:45:17,573 --> 00:45:19,973
Speaker 3: Because the fascinating thing for me in this story was

935
00:45:20,013 --> 00:45:21,973
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of talk about fast fashion and

936
00:45:22,013 --> 00:45:24,253
Speaker 3: a lot of pushback about fast fashion, that people are

937
00:45:24,253 --> 00:45:27,453
Speaker 3: buying new T shirts or new pants every month because

938
00:45:27,453 --> 00:45:29,652
Speaker 3: the quality is going down, so they're trying to avoid it.

939
00:45:29,773 --> 00:45:33,013
Speaker 3: Very difficult to avoid fast fashion because most of the

940
00:45:33,013 --> 00:45:36,253
Speaker 3: people that make clothes in this country and overseas have

941
00:45:36,453 --> 00:45:38,933
Speaker 3: some ethical concerns around how they make their clothes. And

942
00:45:38,973 --> 00:45:41,613
Speaker 3: then you've got the lights of these guys. They were

943
00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:43,653
Speaker 3: effectively the last stop shop that if you were paying

944
00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:46,293
Speaker 3: four hundred dollars for a T shirt, you could expect

945
00:45:46,493 --> 00:45:48,732
Speaker 3: that that was going to be hand crafted and made

946
00:45:48,773 --> 00:45:52,013
Speaker 3: as you say, in Italy and you could rely on that.

947
00:45:52,013 --> 00:45:54,413
Speaker 2: That's no longer the case. But with your quality thing,

948
00:45:55,933 --> 00:45:59,013
Speaker 2: what if it's made in China to the same specs

949
00:45:59,093 --> 00:46:01,453
Speaker 2: as if it had been made in Italy. So the

950
00:46:01,533 --> 00:46:05,693
Speaker 2: quality is saying, just the pay for the work workers

951
00:46:05,733 --> 00:46:10,413
Speaker 2: is lower? Good question. So this someone says, twenty three

952
00:46:10,413 --> 00:46:12,013
Speaker 2: bucks for a T shirt? Are you crazy? I buy

953
00:46:12,053 --> 00:46:13,933
Speaker 2: six dollar T shirts at the warehouse. I need black

954
00:46:13,933 --> 00:46:16,213
Speaker 2: and white, but hey they're great. There he go. So

955
00:46:16,253 --> 00:46:18,693
Speaker 2: that person thinks you're boogie for paying twenty three dollars.

956
00:46:18,533 --> 00:46:21,093
Speaker 3: Good value at the warehouse. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

957
00:46:21,213 --> 00:46:24,173
Speaker 3: eighty Do you genuinely care where your clothes come from?

958
00:46:24,213 --> 00:46:26,373
Speaker 3: Does it upset you if they are made in China?

959
00:46:26,373 --> 00:46:29,613
Speaker 3: Do you try and avoid the fast fashion outlets?

960
00:46:29,693 --> 00:46:31,293
Speaker 2: So to speak? Really keen to hear from you? Well,

961
00:46:31,333 --> 00:46:33,533
Speaker 2: this is an interesting text from Liz here. Hi, guys,

962
00:46:33,613 --> 00:46:35,613
Speaker 2: I really hated if it's a New Zealand designer and

963
00:46:35,653 --> 00:46:38,293
Speaker 2: I pay a huge amount of money and then find

964
00:46:38,293 --> 00:46:40,693
Speaker 2: out the one thousand dollars dress is made in a

965
00:46:40,773 --> 00:46:42,093
Speaker 2: country that has cheap labor.

966
00:46:43,453 --> 00:46:45,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's from Liz yep, very good point. Oh eight

967
00:46:45,653 --> 00:46:47,533
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number of call?

968
00:46:47,613 --> 00:46:49,973
Speaker 3: Do you care where your clothes are made? Do you

969
00:46:50,013 --> 00:46:54,212
Speaker 3: take ethical considerations into account? It is thirteen past two.

970
00:46:54,333 --> 00:46:56,053
Speaker 2: We just didn't want to walk around with your fancy

971
00:46:56,053 --> 00:47:01,253
Speaker 2: pants bag. So everyone goes, ooh he's wealthy. Do we've

972
00:47:01,293 --> 00:47:01,733
Speaker 2: a torn?

973
00:47:02,973 --> 00:47:03,253
Speaker 9: Wow?

974
00:47:04,093 --> 00:47:08,533
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons

975
00:47:08,533 --> 00:47:11,253
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty gen eighty US talk.

976
00:47:11,173 --> 00:47:16,093
Speaker 3: Savy, very good afternoon to you. We've asked question, do

977
00:47:16,173 --> 00:47:18,013
Speaker 3: you care where your clothes come from? An in depth

978
00:47:18,053 --> 00:47:21,293
Speaker 3: investigation and the authorities of Milan they're cracking down on

979
00:47:21,373 --> 00:47:25,973
Speaker 3: high end fashion houses like Louis Viaton Door many others

980
00:47:26,613 --> 00:47:29,453
Speaker 3: who are using allegedly a chip Chinese labor to make

981
00:47:29,453 --> 00:47:31,053
Speaker 3: these goods that are incredibly expensive.

982
00:47:31,373 --> 00:47:34,013
Speaker 2: The sixth says, I've got a factory on Wahiki and

983
00:47:34,133 --> 00:47:36,893
Speaker 2: our cashmere shirt is three hundred and twenty five dollars.

984
00:47:36,893 --> 00:47:38,933
Speaker 2: We sell out rigidly and have a waiting list, so

985
00:47:39,013 --> 00:47:42,413
Speaker 2: sometimes hand finished, slow fashion that will last twenty years

986
00:47:42,453 --> 00:47:45,173
Speaker 2: as in demand. No, I don't want to speak on

987
00:47:45,173 --> 00:47:47,133
Speaker 2: the radio. Will get you, we'll keep you, we'll keetch.

988
00:47:47,293 --> 00:47:48,893
Speaker 2: But that sounds like we said if you on the

989
00:47:48,933 --> 00:47:51,212
Speaker 2: radio their texted, then we would have said the name

990
00:47:51,213 --> 00:47:51,733
Speaker 2: of your company.

991
00:47:51,733 --> 00:47:51,893
Speaker 15: Mind.

992
00:47:51,973 --> 00:47:53,813
Speaker 2: If they've got a waiting list, then they probably might

993
00:47:53,813 --> 00:47:56,813
Speaker 2: not be need anymore. Does that's the idea of you know,

994
00:47:56,853 --> 00:47:58,693
Speaker 2: they can't They can't make stuff as fast as they

995
00:47:58,733 --> 00:48:01,373
Speaker 2: can sell it. So it turns out that the real

996
00:48:01,413 --> 00:48:03,893
Speaker 2: Louis Vuitton bags are actually made in the same factory

997
00:48:03,893 --> 00:48:07,453
Speaker 2: as the Louis ones that you can the ones that

998
00:48:07,493 --> 00:48:09,413
Speaker 2: you can buy on Thailand. Oh wow, So the ones

999
00:48:09,413 --> 00:48:11,253
Speaker 2: that you know, so they're made in the same factory

1000
00:48:11,293 --> 00:48:15,373
Speaker 2: as the fake ones. Yeah, that would make sense allegedly. Allegedly,

1001
00:48:15,573 --> 00:48:18,413
Speaker 2: yeah don't. I don't know. I always think it's funny

1002
00:48:18,453 --> 00:48:21,133
Speaker 2: when when you travel and you see someone loading their

1003
00:48:21,133 --> 00:48:23,453
Speaker 2: baggage in and it's all matching Louis Vuitton. Yeah, and

1004
00:48:23,813 --> 00:48:26,133
Speaker 2: I always think, well, why do I know that's Louis

1005
00:48:26,173 --> 00:48:30,613
Speaker 2: Vuton And is it that great? Does it look that amazing?

1006
00:48:30,733 --> 00:48:33,613
Speaker 2: Or do people have matching Louis Vuitton luggage so they

1007
00:48:33,653 --> 00:48:36,253
Speaker 2: can go I've got matching Louis Vuitton luggage. It's a signal, right,

1008
00:48:36,333 --> 00:48:37,013
Speaker 2: you've got some money.

1009
00:48:37,093 --> 00:48:38,813
Speaker 3: Is that status real though? I mean it must be

1010
00:48:38,853 --> 00:48:41,573
Speaker 3: for some people if you're paying that much for Louis Vuton. Hey,

1011
00:48:41,573 --> 00:48:43,853
Speaker 3: now just quickly before we go to the phone calls.

1012
00:48:44,133 --> 00:48:46,772
Speaker 3: You asked what I was wearing, and I embarrassingly said

1013
00:48:46,813 --> 00:48:49,252
Speaker 3: a twenty three dollars shoot from cotton. When I said

1014
00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:52,093
Speaker 3: I believed in quality you're wearing. I can see right

1015
00:48:52,093 --> 00:48:53,733
Speaker 3: now beautiful Tommy.

1016
00:48:53,493 --> 00:48:56,013
Speaker 2: Hill figure Jersey. Oh yeah, yeah, yep. Do you know

1017
00:48:56,053 --> 00:49:00,493
Speaker 2: where that's made? I bought it in Paris. But it's

1018
00:49:00,213 --> 00:49:01,613
Speaker 2: American brand.

1019
00:49:01,453 --> 00:49:04,573
Speaker 3: Right, yep, yep, So you'd hope either made in America

1020
00:49:04,973 --> 00:49:06,013
Speaker 3: or even Milan.

1021
00:49:06,773 --> 00:49:08,172
Speaker 2: Okay, what else am I wearing here?

1022
00:49:08,373 --> 00:49:08,493
Speaker 8: Uh?

1023
00:49:09,813 --> 00:49:14,893
Speaker 3: Are in William's belt cheap and some Hugo Boss jeans

1024
00:49:14,933 --> 00:49:17,013
Speaker 3: as well made far h So you've got some Eddie

1025
00:49:17,053 --> 00:49:19,213
Speaker 3: dess On and what's that?

1026
00:49:19,373 --> 00:49:20,493
Speaker 2: What's that nice? What you got on?

1027
00:49:20,533 --> 00:49:20,732
Speaker 13: Mate?

1028
00:49:20,813 --> 00:49:24,253
Speaker 2: It's just a timey X. It's not a I could

1029
00:49:24,293 --> 00:49:26,693
Speaker 2: see from over here. It's a Ratto. It is a

1030
00:49:26,773 --> 00:49:29,573
Speaker 2: Ratto watch. So you you're trying to part me, paint

1031
00:49:29,573 --> 00:49:32,533
Speaker 2: me as some kind of elitist because because I because

1032
00:49:32,533 --> 00:49:35,013
Speaker 2: I'm willing to pay a little bit more for some

1033
00:49:35,253 --> 00:49:38,413
Speaker 2: for some quality clothes that I know a sourced here.

1034
00:49:38,453 --> 00:49:40,973
Speaker 2: Though before I was assumed that the shoot would have

1035
00:49:40,973 --> 00:49:45,293
Speaker 2: been made in I don't know, either France or the US,

1036
00:49:45,333 --> 00:49:47,013
Speaker 2: And then I look down here it is made in China.

1037
00:49:47,613 --> 00:49:50,533
Speaker 2: They got you right. One hundred eighteen eighty is the

1038
00:49:50,613 --> 00:49:55,493
Speaker 2: number to call cam Welcome to the show. You don't care, no.

1039
00:49:55,373 --> 00:50:00,413
Speaker 16: Not really, honestly, if you're going to spend heaps of

1040
00:50:00,493 --> 00:50:04,533
Speaker 16: money on clothes for me, clothes, are you telling me

1041
00:50:05,053 --> 00:50:07,732
Speaker 16: they stopped me? Getting arrested for being so I don't

1042
00:50:07,813 --> 00:50:10,253
Speaker 16: really care what they look like or anything like that.

1043
00:50:10,493 --> 00:50:15,573
Speaker 2: Smart it's a great way to put them.

1044
00:50:16,293 --> 00:50:18,652
Speaker 16: Well, the work I do them, I'm hard on them.

1045
00:50:18,813 --> 00:50:21,493
Speaker 16: So whilsould I spend more than ten bucks on a

1046
00:50:21,533 --> 00:50:24,133
Speaker 16: T shirt or twenty bucks on a pair of shorts

1047
00:50:24,213 --> 00:50:27,733
Speaker 16: or something.

1048
00:50:26,013 --> 00:50:26,813
Speaker 9: To get anyway?

1049
00:50:26,933 --> 00:50:28,013
Speaker 2: What work are you in? Can?

1050
00:50:29,613 --> 00:50:32,733
Speaker 16: You are farming? And other bits and papers?

1051
00:50:32,733 --> 00:50:33,333
Speaker 9: But yeah, like.

1052
00:50:33,413 --> 00:50:36,133
Speaker 2: Quality farming, We like farmers are famous for spending a

1053
00:50:36,173 --> 00:50:40,573
Speaker 2: bit of money on quality quality gear tendant to protect

1054
00:50:40,613 --> 00:50:41,853
Speaker 2: you in the elements.

1055
00:50:42,773 --> 00:50:43,973
Speaker 16: No, not this farmer mate.

1056
00:50:44,413 --> 00:50:46,373
Speaker 2: You wouldn't even go for a swanee.

1057
00:50:47,533 --> 00:50:53,773
Speaker 16: Nah nah that good quality Nah No, No, it's like, honestly,

1058
00:50:54,293 --> 00:50:57,413
Speaker 16: I don't see a lot of difference. To be fair, well,

1059
00:50:57,853 --> 00:50:59,573
Speaker 16: I'm saying that I haven't spent a lot of money

1060
00:50:59,573 --> 00:51:02,693
Speaker 16: on good, good clothes in a long time. But it

1061
00:51:02,773 --> 00:51:04,533
Speaker 16: all lasts the same amount of time. It doesn't matter

1062
00:51:04,853 --> 00:51:06,573
Speaker 16: you know who's made it or where it's made. There

1063
00:51:06,693 --> 00:51:10,453
Speaker 16: is the ethical question, which is my that's half. Yeah,

1064
00:51:11,493 --> 00:51:13,213
Speaker 16: there's enough cost in the world. I don't need to

1065
00:51:13,253 --> 00:51:15,333
Speaker 16: be spinning hats for money on cloyers, especially if it's.

1066
00:51:17,253 --> 00:51:20,692
Speaker 2: So. So if you if there was a situation cam

1067
00:51:21,173 --> 00:51:24,373
Speaker 2: and there was two shirts beside each other, and one

1068
00:51:24,533 --> 00:51:27,253
Speaker 2: was twice as much. Let's say, a cheap ass shirt

1069
00:51:27,333 --> 00:51:29,613
Speaker 2: like Tyler buys twenty three dollars, and the other one

1070
00:51:29,653 --> 00:51:32,973
Speaker 2: was forty six dollars. And the forty six dollars one

1071
00:51:33,013 --> 00:51:35,053
Speaker 2: you knew had been made where people got paid well

1072
00:51:35,093 --> 00:51:37,253
Speaker 2: and everything was happy, and the other one was made

1073
00:51:37,293 --> 00:51:41,252
Speaker 2: somewhere with duous Julius sweat shop somewhere. Would you would

1074
00:51:41,293 --> 00:51:42,813
Speaker 2: you still just go for the twenty three.

1075
00:51:45,733 --> 00:51:47,133
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's that's what I mean.

1076
00:51:47,773 --> 00:51:52,413
Speaker 17: Is that my kids working in the sweat shop, I'm

1077
00:51:52,453 --> 00:51:52,853
Speaker 17: not care.

1078
00:51:54,213 --> 00:51:58,253
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to thirty.

1079
00:51:58,373 --> 00:52:00,652
Speaker 16: They work on their farm, so the kind of yeah,

1080
00:52:01,693 --> 00:52:07,573
Speaker 16: they kind of exploited. No, honestly, I'd still go for

1081
00:52:07,613 --> 00:52:10,652
Speaker 16: the twenty three dollar one. I know that doesn't necessarily

1082
00:52:10,693 --> 00:52:13,853
Speaker 16: make me a wonderful person, but I've got my own costs.

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Speaker 16: I've got a lot of.

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Speaker 2: You know what it makes It makes you an honest person,

1085
00:52:19,653 --> 00:52:22,413
Speaker 2: you know, because because a lot of people would pretend,

1086
00:52:22,773 --> 00:52:26,293
Speaker 2: pretend these things and signal these things when actually when

1087
00:52:26,413 --> 00:52:28,733
Speaker 2: when it comes to a crunch and they find this

1088
00:52:28,813 --> 00:52:32,613
Speaker 2: with green products, I was talking to some people that

1089
00:52:32,773 --> 00:52:35,213
Speaker 2: were you know that that we're running a product line,

1090
00:52:35,373 --> 00:52:37,933
Speaker 2: and the product lines had this whole line on it

1091
00:52:37,933 --> 00:52:40,493
Speaker 2: about recycling and stuff, and they had this big meeting

1092
00:52:40,493 --> 00:52:41,893
Speaker 2: in the boardroom about we're going to get rid of

1093
00:52:41,893 --> 00:52:43,732
Speaker 2: the recycling thing because actually, when you look into it's

1094
00:52:43,773 --> 00:52:47,493
Speaker 2: kind of rubbish anyway, part of the pun and and

1095
00:52:47,533 --> 00:52:51,173
Speaker 2: they thought, well, what will be the kickback when we

1096
00:52:51,293 --> 00:52:54,253
Speaker 2: just remove that that this that this product is not

1097
00:52:54,333 --> 00:52:58,013
Speaker 2: being recycled anymore. And they got absolutely zero kickback. And

1098
00:52:58,013 --> 00:53:01,133
Speaker 2: when they investigated it, they realized, no matter what people say,

1099
00:53:01,893 --> 00:53:04,973
Speaker 2: they think about a purchase for about seven seconds when

1100
00:53:05,133 --> 00:53:07,652
Speaker 2: they're in a supermarket, they look at it and they

1101
00:53:07,733 --> 00:53:11,413
Speaker 2: look at price. Yeah, that's future signaling, isn't it a

1102
00:53:11,453 --> 00:53:14,252
Speaker 2: lot about? So no matter what people go around saying

1103
00:53:14,293 --> 00:53:17,692
Speaker 2: they'll do and what they actually do is very different things.

1104
00:53:17,813 --> 00:53:19,453
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1105
00:53:19,533 --> 00:53:21,893
Speaker 3: number to called you care where your clothes are made?

1106
00:53:21,973 --> 00:53:23,933
Speaker 3: Have you tried to get out of the fast fashion race?

1107
00:53:24,013 --> 00:53:24,212
Speaker 2: Really?

1108
00:53:24,213 --> 00:53:27,413
Speaker 3: Can ever chat with you? It is twenty two past two.

1109
00:53:31,253 --> 00:53:34,653
Speaker 1: Matd Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1110
00:53:34,693 --> 00:53:37,413
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk sad be very.

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00:53:37,253 --> 00:53:38,253
Speaker 2: Good afternoon to you.

1112
00:53:38,613 --> 00:53:40,692
Speaker 3: And we've asked the question do you care where your

1113
00:53:40,733 --> 00:53:41,853
Speaker 3: clothes are made?

1114
00:53:41,933 --> 00:53:42,373
Speaker 1: Milan?

1115
00:53:42,493 --> 00:53:44,533
Speaker 3: The authorities of Milan are coming down hard on some

1116
00:53:44,573 --> 00:53:47,573
Speaker 3: of the biggest fashion houses in the world for allegedly

1117
00:53:47,693 --> 00:53:51,013
Speaker 3: using cheap Chinese workers to make very expensive products.

1118
00:53:51,173 --> 00:53:54,253
Speaker 2: Between a campafor and he was saying that he spends

1119
00:53:54,293 --> 00:53:57,652
Speaker 2: very little on clothes, but as a farmer, farmers have

1120
00:53:57,693 --> 00:53:59,853
Speaker 2: to spend a bit on their clothes, don't they. How much?

1121
00:53:59,933 --> 00:54:03,013
Speaker 2: How much is one of those Kaiwaker jackets?

1122
00:54:03,253 --> 00:54:03,453
Speaker 13: Oh?

1123
00:54:03,533 --> 00:54:06,173
Speaker 2: Big money? One of those Scott Barrett numbers.

1124
00:54:06,373 --> 00:54:06,573
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1125
00:54:06,573 --> 00:54:08,053
Speaker 3: Here here that's you pay a lot of money for

1126
00:54:08,053 --> 00:54:09,053
Speaker 3: the jackets?

1127
00:54:09,093 --> 00:54:11,613
Speaker 2: Are they made in New Zealand? Beautiful jackets? Because you

1128
00:54:11,653 --> 00:54:14,573
Speaker 2: need a jacket like that just practically this is in fashion,

1129
00:54:14,613 --> 00:54:16,613
Speaker 2: but some people in their work need to spend more

1130
00:54:16,693 --> 00:54:19,293
Speaker 2: because you need to be outside and not get soaking

1131
00:54:19,333 --> 00:54:20,653
Speaker 2: with You need a jacket. It's going to protect you

1132
00:54:20,693 --> 00:54:21,213
Speaker 2: from the elements.

1133
00:54:21,253 --> 00:54:24,773
Speaker 3: Right, Even a Swanye that's about four or five hundred bucks.

1134
00:54:24,773 --> 00:54:27,692
Speaker 3: But I think Swan dry. Don't they guarantee it for life?

1135
00:54:27,813 --> 00:54:30,573
Speaker 3: Good quality? I'll look into that. I wan one hundred

1136
00:54:30,573 --> 00:54:31,853
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty c number.

1137
00:54:31,693 --> 00:54:36,613
Speaker 2: To call, and I assume that Kaiwaker is made in

1138
00:54:36,653 --> 00:54:38,973
Speaker 2: New Zealand, but I could be entirely wrong. Here you

1139
00:54:38,973 --> 00:54:41,813
Speaker 2: go two hund and eighty five dollars for a Parker

1140
00:54:41,853 --> 00:54:44,693
Speaker 2: that looks like it keep pretty dry. It's a good deal. Rachel,

1141
00:54:44,693 --> 00:54:45,453
Speaker 2: welcome for the show.

1142
00:54:46,333 --> 00:54:47,373
Speaker 18: Hi, thanks for having me.

1143
00:54:47,853 --> 00:54:49,933
Speaker 3: Now you are a good person to chat to. You

1144
00:54:49,933 --> 00:54:52,093
Speaker 3: are a garment factory owner, is that right?

1145
00:54:52,533 --> 00:54:57,413
Speaker 18: Yes, that's right, that is correct, based in Auckland, and

1146
00:54:57,493 --> 00:55:03,173
Speaker 18: it's changed a lot in the past or seven ten years.

1147
00:55:04,133 --> 00:55:06,133
Speaker 2: And what do you make, Rachel?

1148
00:55:06,373 --> 00:55:10,812
Speaker 18: We specialize in women, so we do all sorts. We

1149
00:55:11,373 --> 00:55:14,773
Speaker 18: do work for other brands, like local fashion brands, and

1150
00:55:14,813 --> 00:55:17,653
Speaker 18: we also have our own house brand. And the reason

1151
00:55:17,693 --> 00:55:21,413
Speaker 18: we do that is because it's that's a way for

1152
00:55:21,613 --> 00:55:24,533
Speaker 18: us to kind of make it slightly more accessible to

1153
00:55:25,213 --> 00:55:28,213
Speaker 18: the general public. We know it's still not going to

1154
00:55:28,213 --> 00:55:31,373
Speaker 18: be within like an achievable price range for a lot

1155
00:55:31,373 --> 00:55:34,172
Speaker 18: of New Zealand, but that's the way where we kind

1156
00:55:34,173 --> 00:55:38,573
Speaker 18: of do it direct without having to do like the

1157
00:55:38,613 --> 00:55:44,333
Speaker 18: cost to wholesale to retail market because it's just astronomical

1158
00:55:44,413 --> 00:55:45,173
Speaker 18: at this point.

1159
00:55:47,053 --> 00:55:50,692
Speaker 2: Right, And so what do you think about the whole

1160
00:55:51,533 --> 00:55:54,013
Speaker 2: ethical side of clothes. Do you think that there's people

1161
00:55:54,053 --> 00:55:55,813
Speaker 2: that care. If you think there's a lot of people

1162
00:55:55,853 --> 00:55:57,413
Speaker 2: that care, that there's a big part of the market

1163
00:55:57,413 --> 00:55:58,493
Speaker 2: that cares, that close that.

1164
00:55:59,133 --> 00:56:04,212
Speaker 18: They have the market that cares. I mean, the thing

1165
00:56:04,253 --> 00:56:07,373
Speaker 18: that it comes down to is cost. Though people will

1166
00:56:07,373 --> 00:56:10,453
Speaker 18: say they care and like to think that they would

1167
00:56:10,453 --> 00:56:14,053
Speaker 18: shop in a way it means they care, but in

1168
00:56:14,053 --> 00:56:16,853
Speaker 18: intentions versus where they're actually spending their money is very,

1169
00:56:17,093 --> 00:56:22,053
Speaker 18: very different. We definitely have a good kind of customer

1170
00:56:22,093 --> 00:56:26,893
Speaker 18: base of people who shoppen very ethically and who want

1171
00:56:26,933 --> 00:56:30,573
Speaker 18: to want to support brands. And I always kind of say,

1172
00:56:31,293 --> 00:56:34,933
Speaker 18: that's if you think about it in a way of

1173
00:56:34,973 --> 00:56:37,493
Speaker 18: what you want to be paid for your own hourly work,

1174
00:56:37,573 --> 00:56:42,213
Speaker 18: why is it okay to put your money towards something

1175
00:56:42,453 --> 00:56:47,413
Speaker 18: that's lesser than that. Yeah, especially when you're looking at

1176
00:56:47,413 --> 00:56:52,093
Speaker 18: what factor workers in China or in Bangladesh or around

1177
00:56:52,093 --> 00:56:55,053
Speaker 18: the world, what they're going to be paid. It's it's

1178
00:56:55,133 --> 00:56:56,093
Speaker 18: just quite disgusting.

1179
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Speaker 2: What's your what's the name of your your company? Rachel

1180
00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:00,053
Speaker 2: if you don't mind.

1181
00:56:59,893 --> 00:57:03,533
Speaker 18: Me use we are so we have Rachel Mills, which

1182
00:57:03,573 --> 00:57:05,293
Speaker 18: is the name of our brand. We do kind of

1183
00:57:05,333 --> 00:57:07,853
Speaker 18: lots of Marino T shirts kind of just every day

1184
00:57:08,453 --> 00:57:12,533
Speaker 18: pieces that should be simple enough to sell. And then

1185
00:57:12,573 --> 00:57:15,652
Speaker 18: we also operate under our Intarpling House, which is where

1186
00:57:15,693 --> 00:57:18,053
Speaker 18: we manufacture for other brands as well.

1187
00:57:19,133 --> 00:57:23,013
Speaker 3: Wow oh yeah, good on you just on the you know,

1188
00:57:23,053 --> 00:57:28,533
Speaker 3: the price versus quality versus the ethical considerations, it's the

1189
00:57:28,573 --> 00:57:31,813
Speaker 3: best way to change consumer behavior because it seems hopefully

1190
00:57:31,813 --> 00:57:34,213
Speaker 3: to be happening in a small way. Is that quality

1191
00:57:34,573 --> 00:57:37,053
Speaker 3: situation that if people can buy a piece of clothing

1192
00:57:37,093 --> 00:57:39,333
Speaker 3: that they know is going to last the distance, then

1193
00:57:39,373 --> 00:57:41,693
Speaker 3: that plays into the price aspect as well, right that

1194
00:57:41,853 --> 00:57:44,613
Speaker 3: if you buy a pair of a pair of Chino's

1195
00:57:44,693 --> 00:57:47,813
Speaker 3: that wears out after two washes, then that's not money

1196
00:57:47,813 --> 00:57:48,333
Speaker 3: well spent.

1197
00:57:49,053 --> 00:57:51,493
Speaker 18: Yeah, cost areware And that is a big kind of

1198
00:57:51,693 --> 00:57:55,293
Speaker 18: part of what we do is through our customers, we're

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Speaker 18: trying to educate as well. So whether you can get

1200
00:58:00,373 --> 00:58:04,093
Speaker 18: I don't know, keen or it's probably even like twenty

1201
00:58:04,173 --> 00:58:06,253
Speaker 18: thirty times aware out of something that's going to cost

1202
00:58:06,293 --> 00:58:09,973
Speaker 18: you five times as much. And it was actually interesting

1203
00:58:10,013 --> 00:58:11,653
Speaker 18: I did a lot of I was just in Sydney

1204
00:58:11,693 --> 00:58:14,053
Speaker 18: over the weekend doing just a lot of second hand

1205
00:58:14,093 --> 00:58:17,413
Speaker 18: shopping and it was every second piece I was looking

1206
00:58:17,453 --> 00:58:21,053
Speaker 18: at was like a Zara or a machine or something

1207
00:58:21,093 --> 00:58:23,653
Speaker 18: that was very cheap, so like five dollars ten dollar

1208
00:58:23,733 --> 00:58:27,173
Speaker 18: tops kind of thing, and they're just looking awful on

1209
00:58:27,213 --> 00:58:28,973
Speaker 18: the shells, and you can tell they've probably only been

1210
00:58:28,973 --> 00:58:32,613
Speaker 18: worn about twice and they already look absolutely disgusting, So

1211
00:58:32,693 --> 00:58:34,573
Speaker 18: no one's going to buy them. Even promise you can

1212
00:58:34,573 --> 00:58:35,613
Speaker 18: hand store for two dollars.

1213
00:58:35,893 --> 00:58:39,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'm just I'm looking at you,

1214
00:58:39,293 --> 00:58:41,333
Speaker 2: looking at your website here, and you're not You're not

1215
00:58:41,413 --> 00:58:46,173
Speaker 2: astronomically expensive. I'm looking at the DC mid swim brief black.

1216
00:58:46,373 --> 00:58:47,053
Speaker 2: You look good on that.

1217
00:58:49,333 --> 00:58:49,573
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1218
00:58:49,613 --> 00:58:52,133
Speaker 18: So the reason we're not extensive is because we are

1219
00:58:52,213 --> 00:58:55,053
Speaker 18: there in consumer. If we wish a wholesale that would

1220
00:58:55,053 --> 00:58:58,013
Speaker 18: basically double our prices, and that's the right.

1221
00:58:58,253 --> 00:58:58,493
Speaker 2: Yes.

1222
00:58:58,573 --> 00:59:02,493
Speaker 18: Of course, new ZLMA brands will be following that wholesale

1223
00:59:02,893 --> 00:59:07,773
Speaker 18: retail model, and that's what would completely blow out our prices.

1224
00:59:07,813 --> 00:59:10,173
Speaker 18: So we've just had to be very shrict in that,

1225
00:59:10,293 --> 00:59:13,333
Speaker 18: knowing that we're not going to grow our brand as quickly,

1226
00:59:14,613 --> 00:59:18,853
Speaker 18: but it means we can kind of reach people ourselves

1227
00:59:19,333 --> 00:59:21,293
Speaker 18: and not charge them twice as much.

1228
00:59:21,853 --> 00:59:23,733
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at you, so it goes your weekly

1229
00:59:23,853 --> 00:59:26,453
Speaker 2: orders close in a certain amount of time. Is that

1230
00:59:26,493 --> 00:59:28,453
Speaker 2: because you have to make the stuff or is that that?

1231
00:59:28,653 --> 00:59:31,773
Speaker 18: Yeah, so that's another angle that we do. We make

1232
00:59:31,893 --> 00:59:35,693
Speaker 18: stock of our pieces that are easily sold once that

1233
00:59:35,693 --> 00:59:38,293
Speaker 18: we know we're going to sell, and then everything else

1234
00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:41,133
Speaker 18: we make to order. So we follow a weekly schedule.

1235
00:59:41,213 --> 00:59:43,373
Speaker 18: We take weekly orders that close on a Tuesday, and

1236
00:59:43,373 --> 00:59:45,533
Speaker 18: then we spend the next seven days making them. So

1237
00:59:45,613 --> 00:59:48,013
Speaker 18: it's really not a huge amount of time, and it

1238
00:59:48,053 --> 00:59:50,853
Speaker 18: means you can kind of this also plays into Catacosta

1239
00:59:50,973 --> 00:59:53,533
Speaker 18: where and making sure our customer's really happy with what

1240
00:59:53,573 --> 00:59:57,013
Speaker 18: they've got because we can customize it to them and

1241
00:59:57,093 --> 00:59:58,533
Speaker 18: make sure that it's something that they're going to be

1242
00:59:58,573 --> 01:00:02,133
Speaker 18: really really happy with. And there's almost like an aspect

1243
01:00:02,173 --> 01:00:07,573
Speaker 18: of because they've initiated to make process, there's a bit

1244
01:00:07,613 --> 01:00:10,373
Speaker 18: more ownership taken right from the beginning in terms of

1245
01:00:10,413 --> 01:00:12,813
Speaker 18: actually having something created and having it out in the world.

1246
01:00:13,133 --> 01:00:14,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool. So there's a lot of pressure on

1247
01:00:14,973 --> 01:00:17,693
Speaker 2: people eight hours, twenty eight minutes and thirty one seconds

1248
01:00:17,693 --> 01:00:19,773
Speaker 2: before the orders closed this week. Is it a bit

1249
01:00:19,813 --> 01:00:22,133
Speaker 2: of a Is it a bit of a It must

1250
01:00:22,173 --> 01:00:25,013
Speaker 2: be interesting week to week because if you have to

1251
01:00:25,053 --> 01:00:28,413
Speaker 2: make them then some weeks would be insanely busy.

1252
01:00:29,293 --> 01:00:32,333
Speaker 18: Yeah, so it really does fluctuate, and that's another reason

1253
01:00:32,373 --> 01:00:34,213
Speaker 18: why we have the two different sides to our business.

1254
01:00:34,373 --> 01:00:36,973
Speaker 18: So it means we can kind of take on as

1255
01:00:37,053 --> 01:00:38,933
Speaker 18: much or as little work on the other side as

1256
01:00:38,973 --> 01:00:42,493
Speaker 18: we need. We've got a team of four machinists, so

1257
01:00:42,693 --> 01:00:46,213
Speaker 18: even factory wise, in terms of factories and the size

1258
01:00:46,213 --> 01:00:49,653
Speaker 18: of factories in Auckland, we're quite small, but there's not

1259
01:00:49,733 --> 01:00:53,733
Speaker 18: really many left who would have kind of fifty machinists,

1260
01:00:53,773 --> 01:00:55,653
Speaker 18: which is what we used to be years and years ago.

1261
01:00:56,693 --> 01:00:59,013
Speaker 18: So it's dealing with a team of four machinists who

1262
01:00:59,173 --> 01:01:03,293
Speaker 18: kind of to and fro across different sides of the

1263
01:01:03,333 --> 01:01:05,493
Speaker 18: business depending on what our needs are each week.

1264
01:01:06,173 --> 01:01:08,893
Speaker 2: And how I mean, if you don't mind asking how

1265
01:01:08,893 --> 01:01:11,173
Speaker 2: are you going? Because where we hear all we hear

1266
01:01:11,253 --> 01:01:12,613
Speaker 2: is how hard it is, and.

1267
01:01:13,173 --> 01:01:17,293
Speaker 18: It is hard, right, Yeah, this year in particular has

1268
01:01:17,453 --> 01:01:21,693
Speaker 18: probably been the hardest, but it is feeling on its

1269
01:01:21,693 --> 01:01:25,133
Speaker 18: way back up now. I think it's we've seen a

1270
01:01:25,173 --> 01:01:27,173
Speaker 18: big hit and there's so many other things that have

1271
01:01:27,293 --> 01:01:29,453
Speaker 18: come into play in the last kind of two to

1272
01:01:29,573 --> 01:01:34,093
Speaker 18: three years post COVID with what's happening internationally with stopped

1273
01:01:34,133 --> 01:01:36,173
Speaker 18: being made and over ordered when there was an online

1274
01:01:36,173 --> 01:01:39,133
Speaker 18: boom during COVID, and it also breaks down to us

1275
01:01:39,173 --> 01:01:42,253
Speaker 18: as well. We're at the very end of it and

1276
01:01:42,293 --> 01:01:45,173
Speaker 18: then everyone playing catch up and trying to sell off

1277
01:01:45,213 --> 01:01:50,293
Speaker 18: their sales stocks because they bought so much during COVID. Yeah,

1278
01:01:50,373 --> 01:01:53,613
Speaker 18: it's been a very very funny past kind of twelve

1279
01:01:53,613 --> 01:01:56,013
Speaker 18: months for us. But I think there's it feels like

1280
01:01:56,053 --> 01:01:57,213
Speaker 18: it's on its way back up now.

1281
01:01:57,333 --> 01:01:59,453
Speaker 2: Well, good on your Rachel, keep fighting the good fight.

1282
01:01:59,613 --> 01:02:02,493
Speaker 2: And look, I won't complicate. I won't compliment what you're

1283
01:02:02,533 --> 01:02:05,093
Speaker 2: selling because I imagine that might put people off because

1284
01:02:05,573 --> 01:02:10,653
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not known for my fantastic fashion taste.

1285
01:02:10,773 --> 01:02:12,693
Speaker 18: But are you not good enough care of brief?

1286
01:02:12,973 --> 01:02:15,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, welcommend for a fitting Rachel, so you're offer that service,

1287
01:02:15,933 --> 01:02:16,493
Speaker 3: So there we go.

1288
01:02:16,613 --> 01:02:19,333
Speaker 2: Okay, well I've got I got eight hours, twenty six

1289
01:02:19,373 --> 01:02:23,373
Speaker 2: minutes and twenty eight seconds to decide. Yeah, Hey, thank

1290
01:02:23,373 --> 01:02:25,253
Speaker 2: you so much for you call Rachel, and yes, I say,

1291
01:02:26,013 --> 01:02:28,173
Speaker 2: good on you. Yeah, fighting the good fight. Yeah, all

1292
01:02:28,213 --> 01:02:28,493
Speaker 2: the best.

1293
01:02:28,573 --> 01:02:31,653
Speaker 3: Rachel'll manufacturing a good stuff. Go check her out on

1294
01:02:31,773 --> 01:02:33,373
Speaker 3: Rachel Mills dot co dot n Z.

1295
01:02:33,533 --> 01:02:33,813
Speaker 2: Love that.

1296
01:02:33,933 --> 01:02:36,213
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call? Do you care where your clothes come from?

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Speaker 3: Headlines with Raylene coming.

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Speaker 10: Up you talk said the headlines with blue Bubble taxis,

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Speaker 10: It's no trouble with a blue bubble a doctor's warning.

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Speaker 10: The government may not have considered the ripple effects of

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Speaker 10: a new Waikato University Medical school, saying it could affect

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Speaker 10: training placements for current students. Fletcher Building is looking into

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Speaker 10: divesting its main construction division and the Higgins, Brian Perry

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01:03:05,573 --> 01:03:10,613
Speaker 10: Civil and Fletcher Construction Major Projects business units. It could

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Speaker 10: take a few years for SkyTV to read the benefits

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Speaker 10: of buying TV three and three now from Discovery for

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01:03:17,933 --> 01:03:21,453
Speaker 10: one dollar, with the deal likely to include taking on debt.

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Speaker 10: Local Muslim and Jewish leaders of today signed the New

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01:03:25,133 --> 01:03:28,973
Speaker 10: Zealand Harmony Accord as the basis for an organization hoping

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Speaker 10: to maintain social cohesion despite conflicts overseas. Doc is puzzled

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Speaker 10: by Stokes's body found on the Iraqi Da Great Walk

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Speaker 10: track on the supposedly stot free Stuart Island. They can

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Speaker 10: only swim two kilometers and the nearest colony is thirty

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Speaker 10: k's across Fovo Strait Reserve. Bang Cheer denies conflict of

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Speaker 10: interest a Medwaikot or medical school deal. You can read

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Speaker 10: more at Enz and Herald Premium. Back now to Matt

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Speaker 10: Eathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean, having good discussion about fast

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01:04:00,813 --> 01:04:03,333
Speaker 3: fashion or do you care where your clothes come from?

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01:04:03,413 --> 01:04:07,213
Speaker 3: Milan authorities are clamping down on a lot of the

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01:04:07,373 --> 01:04:09,333
Speaker 3: big fashion houses over there, some of the biggest in

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Speaker 3: the world, Louis Verton, Dior among many others, saying that

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Speaker 3: they use cheap Chinese labor to produce their goods.

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01:04:15,293 --> 01:04:20,293
Speaker 2: Well, Kaywaker, that's made and guess what, Kaiwaker. Well, funny

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01:04:20,333 --> 01:04:23,053
Speaker 2: there there you go. Good to know though, I supply

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01:04:23,173 --> 01:04:26,413
Speaker 2: Rachel and fabric. She's a great person. She's a good cat.

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Speaker 2: That's for Matt. She certainly seemed it. Yeah, well people

1329
01:04:29,013 --> 01:04:31,133
Speaker 2: are very you know what, go Rachel. Do you know

1330
01:04:31,173 --> 01:04:33,773
Speaker 2: what people like in New Zealand as someone that's trying

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01:04:33,773 --> 01:04:36,653
Speaker 2: to do something, Yeah, you know, trying to create a business.

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Speaker 2: Get on with that, positive about it.

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Speaker 14: Yep.

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Speaker 2: We need to celebrate people like Rachel Wore. Yeah, one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent. Rachel Mills dot Co doon in zed.

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Speaker 3: You've got eight hours and twenty minutes to go before

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01:04:48,733 --> 01:04:50,333
Speaker 3: the weekly audio order is up.

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Speaker 2: Eight hours, twenty one minutes and twenty five seconds. Tyler, Yeah,

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01:04:53,853 --> 01:04:56,853
Speaker 2: go some poor good people like Rachel. Is that Cole's Marino.

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01:04:57,733 --> 01:05:01,293
Speaker 2: Cole's Marino. I might be saying that wrong, but I

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01:05:01,373 --> 01:05:03,973
Speaker 2: get them to make all my Tea's shirts local and

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01:05:04,013 --> 01:05:06,773
Speaker 2: made to fit eighty dollars each and they last for

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01:05:06,893 --> 01:05:11,013
Speaker 2: bloody ages. Says Phil Love that Louise used to work

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01:05:11,013 --> 01:05:12,013
Speaker 2: in the fish and industry.

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Speaker 19: I digest, and I left for the exact reasons that

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01:05:16,453 --> 01:05:21,853
Speaker 19: you're debating today. I used to work for retailers in

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01:05:21,893 --> 01:05:24,973
Speaker 19: the UK and suppliers of some of the big retailers

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01:05:24,973 --> 01:05:27,973
Speaker 19: in the world like Warmat and came out over here.

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01:05:28,853 --> 01:05:31,693
Speaker 19: Spent a lot of time traveling around different parts of

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Speaker 19: the world, going to various factories. Yeah, and I think

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01:05:35,613 --> 01:05:40,773
Speaker 19: you know there's actually, you know, very little different sometimes

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Speaker 19: from a product that you may be buying from some

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01:05:44,253 --> 01:05:49,893
Speaker 19: of the faas fashion retailers versus some of the premium

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01:05:50,053 --> 01:05:52,213
Speaker 19: international brands that we've been discussing.

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Speaker 2: When you went over and you saw these these so

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Speaker 2: you saw some of the manufacturing in different countries because

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Speaker 2: we hear a lot about it. What other conditions actually

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Speaker 2: like in your experience? Firsteand very fair.

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Speaker 19: Generally, if you buy from a reputable high street retailer,

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Speaker 19: their reputation is obviously very important to them. So, particularly

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Speaker 19: in the UK and Europe where I was from, and

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Speaker 19: also the US markets where we were also exporting to,

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Speaker 19: there are a lot of quite stringent regulations around manufacturing

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Speaker 19: standards and also the ethical standards when it comes to

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Speaker 19: employing people in the working conditions. So if retailers are

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Speaker 19: found to be breaching those then obviously that's going to

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Speaker 19: damage their reputation. But nonetheless, you know that the standards

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01:06:36,973 --> 01:06:40,253
Speaker 19: are very different to what we experience in our home world.

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Speaker 19: But I mean we're talking about apparel clothing. But I

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Speaker 19: also worked for cosmetics retailers, and some of the standards

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Speaker 19: in Europe to retail a cosmetic product were incredibly high,

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Speaker 19: very very tough. Yet we could still supply a lipstick,

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Speaker 19: for example, to the likes of a high street SaaS

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Speaker 19: fashion retailer and they would sell it for a couple

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Speaker 19: of dollars. They would still make their forty to fifty

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01:07:08,693 --> 01:07:12,133
Speaker 19: percent markup. We would still make our healthy margin, and

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Speaker 19: everyone else down the supply chain. So you know, it

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01:07:16,333 --> 01:07:20,413
Speaker 19: is possible to make products at quite low costs that make,

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01:07:20,653 --> 01:07:22,733
Speaker 19: you know, fit with the standards. So I mean there's

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Speaker 19: questions there are the standards too low or you know,

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01:07:25,933 --> 01:07:29,613
Speaker 19: have we just got very good at manufacturing large quantities

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01:07:30,013 --> 01:07:32,933
Speaker 19: for very low prices, particularly when you're going over to China.

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Speaker 19: So you know what I'm trying to say there is

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01:07:35,493 --> 01:07:38,493
Speaker 19: if the likes of a Kmat, for example, can sell

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01:07:38,493 --> 01:07:41,253
Speaker 19: a cosmetic product or a T shirt for you know,

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01:07:41,373 --> 01:07:44,653
Speaker 19: less than ten bucks, then you know, so can the

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Speaker 19: likes of there and some of the big fashion houses

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Speaker 19: as well. We're playing a lot for brands. We're paying

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Speaker 19: a lot for packaging. My decision came to leave the

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01:07:55,293 --> 01:07:59,253
Speaker 19: industry when I actually was fed up a seeing container

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Speaker 19: after container arriving with packaging products that I knew were

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01:08:02,733 --> 01:08:05,853
Speaker 19: going to end up in landfill. So the environmental impact

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01:08:05,973 --> 01:08:08,333
Speaker 19: of buying fast fashion is absolute.

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Speaker 2: It isn't it insane that we will pay a lot for

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01:08:11,053 --> 01:08:14,053
Speaker 2: packaging that we just throw out? But we do. You know,

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Speaker 2: I just bought my son and I paid recently, and

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Speaker 2: I was thinking this is beautiful packaging, and then wow,

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01:08:19,213 --> 01:08:21,412
Speaker 2: look at this packaging it's amazing, then throw it out immediately.

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Speaker 19: I would say that ninety of the cost on a lipstick,

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Speaker 19: for example, is the actual wow componentry interesting on apparel,

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01:08:31,013 --> 01:08:35,613
Speaker 19: you know, clothing, there is obviously a lot of plastic packaging,

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01:08:36,572 --> 01:08:40,052
Speaker 19: you know, materials that are used in transit to protect

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01:08:40,093 --> 01:08:44,333
Speaker 19: the garments when they're coming overseas. You know that there

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01:08:44,412 --> 01:08:47,692
Speaker 19: is a lot of cost. And I found that very

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01:08:47,772 --> 01:08:51,053
Speaker 19: rarely were the types of products that we were manufacturing

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Speaker 19: the biggest element of the cost. It was mostly packaging.

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Speaker 20: Really.

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Speaker 2: What I found really interesting recently is with China, and

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01:09:01,933 --> 01:09:04,572
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister was talking about this when he was

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01:09:04,612 --> 01:09:06,933
Speaker 2: over there, that you know, a new deal for New

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01:09:07,013 --> 01:09:12,412
Speaker 2: Zealand to sell cosmetic into China. China insists. In China,

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Speaker 2: they insist by regulation that the cosmetics are tested on animals,

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01:09:16,492 --> 01:09:19,973
Speaker 2: but you know they have to be they won't sell them.

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Speaker 2: And they see tested on animals, as opposed to in Europe,

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01:09:23,612 --> 01:09:27,253
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, Australia, America that the pushes did not

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01:09:27,333 --> 01:09:31,532
Speaker 2: test them on animals. There's a different way of looking

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Speaker 2: at things.

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Speaker 19: It's fascinating and you know, as I said, I spent

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01:09:36,652 --> 01:09:40,333
Speaker 19: a lot of time overseas on the manufacturers we used,

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01:09:41,333 --> 01:09:45,492
Speaker 19: you know, there were very good ethical standards. We didn't

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01:09:45,532 --> 01:09:48,412
Speaker 19: test on animals, and you know, the products that we

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01:09:48,532 --> 01:09:52,932
Speaker 19: manufactured were of a sufficient quality to be safe and

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01:09:53,013 --> 01:09:55,652
Speaker 19: another adequate quality. I would say, you know, you wouldn't

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01:09:55,652 --> 01:09:57,772
Speaker 19: be getting two years out of a T shirt. It

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01:09:57,893 --> 01:10:01,093
Speaker 19: probably looking faded after six months. But I know that,

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01:10:01,492 --> 01:10:04,253
Speaker 19: you know, people were well cared for as far as

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Speaker 19: far as standards went.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So when you say well cared for working hours

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01:10:08,492 --> 01:10:11,452
Speaker 2: that would we would we would think was acceptable and

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01:10:11,652 --> 01:10:13,932
Speaker 2: being paid a wage that means they could leave live

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Speaker 2: a life with some kind of meaning.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, generally, generally I lived, you know, in similar conditions

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01:10:20,692 --> 01:10:23,372
Speaker 19: when I was over in these factories for for most

1435
01:10:23,452 --> 01:10:25,732
Speaker 19: of the time, I would have a bit of extra

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01:10:25,772 --> 01:10:28,532
Speaker 19: time off at the weekend and be upgraded to what

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01:10:28,572 --> 01:10:31,572
Speaker 19: I would just call it a western standard hotel, more

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01:10:31,612 --> 01:10:34,412
Speaker 19: in tune with what I was used to. But generally,

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01:10:34,452 --> 01:10:38,773
Speaker 19: you know, they ate well. The factories, we are conditioned.

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01:10:39,933 --> 01:10:42,772
Speaker 19: You know, they were working reasonable hours. There were good

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01:10:42,853 --> 01:10:48,892
Speaker 19: quality dormitories. I'm not saying case everywhere, yeah, but certainly

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Speaker 19: you would.

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01:10:49,412 --> 01:10:51,293
Speaker 2: Only deal with those people. So there was a there

1444
01:10:51,333 --> 01:10:54,013
Speaker 2: was an incentive for the factories to work, to be

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01:10:54,093 --> 01:10:55,692
Speaker 2: set up in such a way that you were willing

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Speaker 2: to do business with them.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, now that you've left the industry, you only

1449
01:11:00,772 --> 01:11:02,173
Speaker 2: buy from op shops.

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Speaker 19: Zichy, I do, yes, I do, yeah, mainly because of

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01:11:05,293 --> 01:11:09,333
Speaker 19: the environmental impact. I wouldn't say I'm a massive but

1452
01:11:09,492 --> 01:11:12,173
Speaker 19: having insight in terms of the cost spased, what I'm

1453
01:11:12,173 --> 01:11:15,333
Speaker 19: actually paying for versus what I'm getting when I buy

1454
01:11:15,333 --> 01:11:18,812
Speaker 19: it off the shelf, and the amount of packaging waste

1455
01:11:18,933 --> 01:11:23,053
Speaker 19: that used to really upset me. I actually reuse and

1456
01:11:23,093 --> 01:11:27,293
Speaker 19: recycle as much as I can. Obviously, there's situations where

1457
01:11:27,452 --> 01:11:29,412
Speaker 19: you know you do need to go and buy new.

1458
01:11:30,133 --> 01:11:32,293
Speaker 19: I wish I could say I could afford to buy

1459
01:11:32,333 --> 01:11:35,372
Speaker 19: from the likes of Rachel and I would always encourage

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01:11:35,372 --> 01:11:39,372
Speaker 19: everyone to buy local, buy from local factories, you know,

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01:11:39,412 --> 01:11:42,812
Speaker 19: if you can. But you know, sometimes I will have

1462
01:11:42,893 --> 01:11:46,092
Speaker 19: to go to the high street and make sensible purchases.

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01:11:46,093 --> 01:11:48,692
Speaker 19: But it's very rare. I would say ninety percent of

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01:11:48,692 --> 01:11:51,052
Speaker 19: my closing now is op shot brought.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for you call Louise esinating

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01:11:53,612 --> 01:11:56,972
Speaker 2: to chat with you. Very very interesting, jeez. It is a.

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01:11:56,973 --> 01:11:58,852
Speaker 3: Quarter to three big with more of your calls. Oh,

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01:11:58,853 --> 01:12:01,293
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty, teen eighty is the number of call?

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01:12:01,933 --> 01:12:03,893
Speaker 3: Are you still buying fast fishing? Are you trying to

1470
01:12:03,933 --> 01:12:05,532
Speaker 3: get out of it? Do you key where your clothes

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01:12:05,572 --> 01:12:06,053
Speaker 3: come from?

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01:12:06,053 --> 01:12:09,133
Speaker 2: Bacon mis a fresh take on talk back.

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01:12:09,333 --> 01:12:12,772
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say

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01:12:12,812 --> 01:12:13,692
Speaker 1: on eight hundred.

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01:12:15,893 --> 01:12:18,893
Speaker 2: There's twelve to three. A lot of people sharing a

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01:12:18,933 --> 01:12:20,652
Speaker 2: lot of love for the op shops, op shops and

1477
01:12:20,692 --> 01:12:24,253
Speaker 2: expensive areas like Milford excellent shopping quality for peanuts and

1478
01:12:24,333 --> 01:12:27,772
Speaker 2: money goes to vulnerable people or SPCA when when that's

1479
01:12:27,772 --> 01:12:33,692
Speaker 2: pretty good? Yeah? Would you buy wife fronts from an

1480
01:12:33,732 --> 01:12:37,133
Speaker 2: up shop? All those sort of old long white front

1481
01:12:37,612 --> 01:12:38,933
Speaker 2: granddad and.

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01:12:38,772 --> 01:12:40,293
Speaker 3: I'd want to try them on first to make sure

1483
01:12:40,333 --> 01:12:42,092
Speaker 3: the fit is right. But yeah, I gave it will.

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01:12:41,973 --> 01:12:46,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a mate that buys exclusively everything. I

1485
01:12:46,253 --> 01:12:49,412
Speaker 2: judge them for it. That's a bold move. Yeah, Graham,

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01:12:49,412 --> 01:12:50,012
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

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01:12:51,853 --> 01:12:54,012
Speaker 15: Hey Tyler, please let me know which ones you've tried

1488
01:12:54,093 --> 01:12:55,572
Speaker 15: on first. I'm not going to go to that shop.

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01:12:55,732 --> 01:12:58,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, wise man, wise, Man, I put them back on

1490
01:12:58,372 --> 01:13:00,253
Speaker 3: the rack, which I know I shouldn't do, so I

1491
01:13:00,333 --> 01:13:01,772
Speaker 3: apologize to the op shop.

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01:13:02,893 --> 01:13:06,093
Speaker 15: Yeah, well done, a similar to that last caller. There

1493
01:13:06,133 --> 01:13:09,532
Speaker 15: is another way of looking at this. The issue with

1494
01:13:10,612 --> 01:13:15,813
Speaker 15: work being done overseas is that the standard that we

1495
01:13:15,853 --> 01:13:21,892
Speaker 15: put to our own work environment is very it's hard

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01:13:21,933 --> 01:13:25,973
Speaker 15: to put that onto another country. So having been or

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01:13:26,133 --> 01:13:29,372
Speaker 15: having a look through some of the Chinese manufacturing facilities,

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01:13:30,013 --> 01:13:32,173
Speaker 15: their standard of living for their workers is a hell

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01:13:32,213 --> 01:13:33,732
Speaker 15: of a lot better than those that don't have the

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01:13:33,732 --> 01:13:36,532
Speaker 15: opportunity to work in the factory and are just living

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01:13:36,532 --> 01:13:40,372
Speaker 15: out in the fields trying to exist, so that there

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01:13:40,812 --> 01:13:45,972
Speaker 15: is quite a reasonable standard of workplace environment for those

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01:13:46,013 --> 01:13:50,013
Speaker 15: that are working in the factories. So there's that. Then

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01:13:50,053 --> 01:13:54,492
Speaker 15: there's also the fact that their economy of scale also

1505
01:13:54,652 --> 01:13:58,012
Speaker 15: helps to bring down their price, their manufacturing price, whereas

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01:13:58,053 --> 01:14:01,972
Speaker 15: they're probably doing a thousand units in a morning, whereas

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01:14:02,013 --> 01:14:05,093
Speaker 15: other places around the world, especially in New Zealand, may

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01:14:05,133 --> 01:14:08,173
Speaker 15: only be doing ten to one hundred. So that's an

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Speaker 15: the reason that brings their price down. So our standard

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01:14:11,572 --> 01:14:14,612
Speaker 15: of living and our values that we're trying to put

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01:14:14,612 --> 01:14:20,093
Speaker 15: on a product that we buy doesn't necessarily discount that

1512
01:14:20,173 --> 01:14:23,612
Speaker 15: same set of values being put on a product we

1513
01:14:23,652 --> 01:14:24,732
Speaker 15: buy from another country.

1514
01:14:24,893 --> 01:14:27,013
Speaker 2: Is there a minimum that you would accept before you

1515
01:14:27,133 --> 01:14:29,932
Speaker 2: bought something like an item of clothing. Was there a

1516
01:14:29,933 --> 01:14:33,293
Speaker 2: minimum standard that these factories are held to.

1517
01:14:35,053 --> 01:14:38,052
Speaker 15: Well, nobody's going to know when you're buying off, buying

1518
01:14:38,093 --> 01:14:40,213
Speaker 15: off the shelf where it's actually come from. But I

1519
01:14:40,253 --> 01:14:44,012
Speaker 15: was just talking about the concept in general. And we've

1520
01:14:44,013 --> 01:14:47,133
Speaker 15: also got to look at the way things change demographically

1521
01:14:47,173 --> 01:14:51,133
Speaker 15: as well. And I always looked at the example of

1522
01:14:51,173 --> 01:14:56,173
Speaker 15: Dilma Dilma t Now they had a policy in which

1523
01:14:56,412 --> 01:14:59,852
Speaker 15: all of the people working in the fields had to

1524
01:14:59,893 --> 01:15:03,333
Speaker 15: be had to have a standard of living, but also

1525
01:15:03,333 --> 01:15:06,452
Speaker 15: that their families were looked after. So they set up

1526
01:15:06,532 --> 01:15:11,293
Speaker 15: universities and schools and hospitals and all sorts of care

1527
01:15:11,372 --> 01:15:13,532
Speaker 15: for the people that are working in the fields. But

1528
01:15:13,612 --> 01:15:16,452
Speaker 15: they did themselves out of a workforce because as the

1529
01:15:16,532 --> 01:15:19,533
Speaker 15: children of the workers grew up and went through the universities,

1530
01:15:19,532 --> 01:15:23,133
Speaker 15: they all left overseas for better opportunities. So in the

1531
01:15:23,253 --> 01:15:25,652
Speaker 15: end they had none of their own people left to

1532
01:15:25,692 --> 01:15:27,213
Speaker 15: work in the tea fields, and they had to bring

1533
01:15:27,213 --> 01:15:28,932
Speaker 15: in people from Bangladesh.

1534
01:15:29,013 --> 01:15:31,293
Speaker 9: So we've got to work.

1535
01:15:32,213 --> 01:15:36,372
Speaker 15: Think globally rather than just our own our own little

1536
01:15:36,412 --> 01:15:40,093
Speaker 15: ecosystem here, and how our decisions are affecting the rest

1537
01:15:40,133 --> 01:15:43,852
Speaker 15: of the world musical. It's not executive superloards, so we're

1538
01:15:43,853 --> 01:15:46,053
Speaker 15: not going to affect too many people, but just the

1539
01:15:46,093 --> 01:15:48,372
Speaker 15: concept of it, trying to put our own values on

1540
01:15:48,412 --> 01:15:51,933
Speaker 15: someone else. And at the end of the day, you

1541
01:15:52,013 --> 01:15:54,412
Speaker 15: might pay one hundred and fifty bucks for a ten

1542
01:15:54,452 --> 01:15:56,173
Speaker 15: dollar T shirt, but it's probably made in the same

1543
01:15:56,173 --> 01:15:56,932
Speaker 15: factory anyhow.

1544
01:15:57,293 --> 01:15:59,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you for your cool Graham. Yep, it's

1545
01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:01,532
Speaker 2: a good point, same as the previous caller. That's the

1546
01:16:01,572 --> 01:16:03,932
Speaker 2: previous before this caller. I care where my clothes come from.

1547
01:16:03,933 --> 01:16:08,732
Speaker 2: I favor good quality fabrics and prefer secondhand, occasionally shop,

1548
01:16:08,732 --> 01:16:13,372
Speaker 2: but more so clothes swaps. Komu has a massive clothes

1549
01:16:13,372 --> 01:16:16,492
Speaker 2: swap coming up in a few weeks time, which raises

1550
01:16:16,492 --> 01:16:17,892
Speaker 2: funds for Parent North.

1551
01:16:18,013 --> 01:16:20,732
Speaker 3: It's a win win, love that, Thank you very much. Right,

1552
01:16:20,732 --> 01:16:23,013
Speaker 3: we're going to play some messages, but when we come back,

1553
01:16:23,053 --> 01:16:24,812
Speaker 3: we'll take a few more of your calls. Oh wait,

1554
01:16:24,772 --> 01:16:26,652
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1555
01:16:26,692 --> 01:16:27,053
Speaker 14: It's eight to.

1556
01:16:27,093 --> 01:16:30,492
Speaker 1: Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of

1557
01:16:30,532 --> 01:16:34,532
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

1558
01:16:34,372 --> 01:16:39,013
Speaker 3: TALKSB News Talks THEREB. It is five to three. Some

1559
01:16:39,093 --> 01:16:41,412
Speaker 3: good texts coming through it on nine two nine two.

1560
01:16:41,492 --> 01:16:42,412
Speaker 2: I'm not reading that one out.

1561
01:16:42,732 --> 01:16:45,173
Speaker 3: You shouldn't read that one out. It's very funny to

1562
01:16:45,213 --> 01:16:48,212
Speaker 3: read though. Hey guys, I'm a tailor with a seamstress background.

1563
01:16:48,253 --> 01:16:50,372
Speaker 3: Every day I hear from customers that the cost of

1564
01:16:50,412 --> 01:16:53,652
Speaker 3: alterations is more than the price of clothes new clothes

1565
01:16:53,692 --> 01:16:54,652
Speaker 3: that they want to alter.

1566
01:16:54,933 --> 01:16:58,812
Speaker 2: I was watching this documentary and it was about, you know,

1567
01:16:59,173 --> 01:17:02,372
Speaker 2: a town and a rural town in New Zealand back

1568
01:17:02,372 --> 01:17:04,612
Speaker 2: in the day, and you'd order your shoes and then

1569
01:17:04,612 --> 01:17:08,692
Speaker 2: you'd order your suit and come six weeks later and

1570
01:17:08,732 --> 01:17:11,493
Speaker 2: then you just fix that for the rest of your life. Yeah,

1571
01:17:11,572 --> 01:17:14,572
Speaker 2: I love this. This was around eighteen ninety, so that

1572
01:17:14,692 --> 01:17:17,612
Speaker 2: was that. Yeah, your shoes and your suit your one

1573
01:17:17,732 --> 01:17:21,253
Speaker 2: your one outfit, and that was it. You're sorted life.

1574
01:17:21,013 --> 01:17:23,732
Speaker 2: But it had to be fixed. Yeah, but good luck

1575
01:17:24,013 --> 01:17:26,852
Speaker 2: fixing your twenty three dollars T shirt there, Like you're

1576
01:17:26,853 --> 01:17:28,173
Speaker 2: going to throw that out as soon as it gets

1577
01:17:28,173 --> 01:17:30,932
Speaker 2: a hole in it, right, quite fond.

1578
01:17:30,772 --> 01:17:32,772
Speaker 3: Of this T shirt we get right for twenty three bucks,

1579
01:17:32,812 --> 01:17:33,852
Speaker 3: I can go by another couple.

1580
01:17:33,933 --> 01:17:36,572
Speaker 2: Do you die? Darn your sock styler. When was the

1581
01:17:36,652 --> 01:17:39,612
Speaker 2: last time you went to a seamstress? Um? Oh well

1582
01:17:39,652 --> 01:17:43,412
Speaker 2: I was. I mean regularly because I've got an ailment

1583
01:17:43,532 --> 01:17:47,772
Speaker 2: called long tour. So short legs is that a real thing?

1584
01:17:47,973 --> 01:17:52,452
Speaker 2: Not really? But my legs are as long as they

1585
01:17:52,452 --> 01:17:54,372
Speaker 2: should be, So I have to get mate, I have

1586
01:17:54,412 --> 01:17:56,093
Speaker 2: to get my jeans taken up a little bit.

1587
01:17:56,093 --> 01:17:58,133
Speaker 3: Generally speaking, well, god on people like you met. You're

1588
01:17:58,213 --> 01:18:00,013
Speaker 3: keeping this economy going and doing the right thing.

1589
01:18:00,053 --> 01:18:02,053
Speaker 2: It's amazing. I'm over six foot with how short my

1590
01:18:02,133 --> 01:18:02,532
Speaker 2: legs are.

1591
01:18:03,772 --> 01:18:06,492
Speaker 3: Right coming up after three o'clock, we won't to have

1592
01:18:06,492 --> 01:18:09,412
Speaker 3: a chat to you about terrestrial TV on the back

1593
01:18:09,452 --> 01:18:13,052
Speaker 3: of the Sky deal sky TV deal taking over three

1594
01:18:13,772 --> 01:18:15,452
Speaker 3: for one dollar. We want to have a chat to

1595
01:18:15,452 --> 01:18:17,812
Speaker 3: you about what shows you actually still watch on good

1596
01:18:17,812 --> 01:18:18,972
Speaker 3: old terrestrial TV.

1597
01:18:19,093 --> 01:18:20,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about this? What do you

1598
01:18:20,532 --> 01:18:22,572
Speaker 2: think of the state of television in New Zealand and

1599
01:18:22,612 --> 01:18:23,452
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five?

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01:18:23,853 --> 01:18:26,013
Speaker 3: Oh weight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1601
01:18:26,213 --> 01:18:28,452
Speaker 3: number to call. You can also text through nine to

1602
01:18:28,772 --> 01:18:31,933
Speaker 3: nine two. News, Sport and weather is on its way.

1603
01:18:31,973 --> 01:18:35,093
Speaker 3: Fantastic to have your company. As always, we will see

1604
01:18:35,133 --> 01:18:40,133
Speaker 3: you on the other side.

1605
01:18:41,732 --> 01:18:46,253
Speaker 1: Your new homes are insateful and entertaining. Talk It's Mattie

1606
01:18:46,293 --> 01:18:49,812
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevvy.

1607
01:18:50,652 --> 01:18:52,972
Speaker 3: Welcome back into the show. Great to have your company.

1608
01:18:53,093 --> 01:18:55,613
Speaker 3: As always, this is going to be a great discussion

1609
01:18:55,692 --> 01:18:58,652
Speaker 3: news this morning. Sky TV is buying financially troubled TV

1610
01:18:58,732 --> 01:19:01,452
Speaker 3: three for just one dollar, in a seismic media move

1611
01:19:01,452 --> 01:19:03,732
Speaker 3: that pits it in a new battle royale with.

1612
01:19:03,772 --> 01:19:06,892
Speaker 2: TV in Z. I love that that law, that rule

1613
01:19:06,933 --> 01:19:08,173
Speaker 2: that you have to have at least one dollar on

1614
01:19:08,173 --> 01:19:11,253
Speaker 2: the that it always sounds so amusing. You got stuff

1615
01:19:11,253 --> 01:19:14,772
Speaker 2: selling for one dollar, you got TV three selling for

1616
01:19:15,173 --> 01:19:17,372
Speaker 2: one dollar. Yeah, and it's more complicated than that. But

1617
01:19:17,412 --> 01:19:19,892
Speaker 2: when you're selling for one dollar, you're not necessarily in

1618
01:19:19,893 --> 01:19:21,253
Speaker 2: the most healthy of positions.

1619
01:19:21,412 --> 01:19:23,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like a good deal, but there, as

1620
01:19:23,412 --> 01:19:25,012
Speaker 3: you say, there's a lot more to it. So Sky

1621
01:19:25,133 --> 01:19:28,213
Speaker 3: will take all of the TV three, T three now

1622
01:19:28,333 --> 01:19:31,772
Speaker 3: Rather and Eden brands and platforms officially as of Friday

1623
01:19:31,853 --> 01:19:34,412
Speaker 3: next week, that's August. The first some one hundred and

1624
01:19:34,532 --> 01:19:37,412
Speaker 3: thirty three Slash Warner Brothers Discovery staff will move under

1625
01:19:37,412 --> 01:19:40,612
Speaker 3: the Sky umbrella, and as it stands now, the three

1626
01:19:40,612 --> 01:19:43,412
Speaker 3: Boss Juliet Peterson is still in charge, reporting to Sky

1627
01:19:43,532 --> 01:19:46,772
Speaker 3: chief executive Sophie Maloney. So it is a big move

1628
01:19:46,812 --> 01:19:49,173
Speaker 3: from Sky, and it's a big move for Warner Brothers

1629
01:19:49,173 --> 01:19:50,772
Speaker 3: to get out of this country and say you can

1630
01:19:50,853 --> 01:19:54,572
Speaker 3: have the three operation and brand for one dollar. But

1631
01:19:54,732 --> 01:19:56,532
Speaker 3: there's big questions around terrestrial TV.

1632
01:19:56,772 --> 01:19:59,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, What does TV three mean to you in

1633
01:19:59,652 --> 01:20:02,293
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty. It

1634
01:20:02,333 --> 01:20:04,772
Speaker 2: obviously has a great history, some fantastic shows. It's been

1635
01:20:04,772 --> 01:20:07,732
Speaker 2: around for a very very long time. Do you watch it?

1636
01:20:07,853 --> 01:20:10,532
Speaker 2: Do you still watch terrestrial television? And if so, weird

1637
01:20:10,532 --> 01:20:13,172
Speaker 2: do you watch it? And are you worried whe terrestrial

1638
01:20:13,213 --> 01:20:15,612
Speaker 2: television is going? What are some of the great TV

1639
01:20:15,732 --> 01:20:17,852
Speaker 2: shows that are still out there and being made that

1640
01:20:17,973 --> 01:20:24,213
Speaker 2: would drag you onto terrestrial Obviously, live is a big

1641
01:20:24,253 --> 01:20:25,692
Speaker 2: thing for terrestrial television, isn't it.

1642
01:20:25,893 --> 01:20:29,053
Speaker 3: Absolutely if there's a big event, terrestrial TV has got

1643
01:20:29,093 --> 01:20:31,732
Speaker 3: the advantage there when it's a live situation that they

1644
01:20:31,772 --> 01:20:35,293
Speaker 3: can have people on the ground arguably for a new situation.

1645
01:20:35,452 --> 01:20:38,372
Speaker 2: So you got the news people sitting on couches talking

1646
01:20:38,372 --> 01:20:44,213
Speaker 2: about stuff. Yeah, but yeah, what's your TV experience? Because

1647
01:20:44,213 --> 01:20:47,253
Speaker 2: I can't even I don't have an aeriel at my house,

1648
01:20:47,333 --> 01:20:50,692
Speaker 2: so everything is everything as my TV's plugged into the wall,

1649
01:20:50,732 --> 01:20:53,652
Speaker 2: it's plumbed in, I've got the remote. Everything comes through

1650
01:20:53,853 --> 01:20:56,852
Speaker 2: the Internet connection. So if I want to go to

1651
01:20:56,933 --> 01:20:59,213
Speaker 2: terrestrial television, it's not like the old days for me,

1652
01:20:59,293 --> 01:21:01,612
Speaker 2: where you just press on and then it's playing and

1653
01:21:01,612 --> 01:21:05,133
Speaker 2: then you flick up from one to three. I don't

1654
01:21:05,133 --> 01:21:08,172
Speaker 2: have that anymore. If I want to go to terrestrial television,

1655
01:21:08,173 --> 01:21:09,772
Speaker 2: as it were, I have to go over to the

1656
01:21:09,812 --> 01:21:12,692
Speaker 2: freeview APPP and do that, and it's a little bit down.

1657
01:21:12,732 --> 01:21:15,253
Speaker 2: It's past my sports apps, it's past my Sky app.

1658
01:21:15,933 --> 01:21:17,532
Speaker 2: I have to go past Sky. You have to go

1659
01:21:17,532 --> 01:21:21,133
Speaker 2: about past MLB TV. I have to go. I have

1660
01:21:21,173 --> 01:21:23,412
Speaker 2: to go past Netflix. There's a lot of options before

1661
01:21:24,213 --> 01:21:27,572
Speaker 2: Apple TV. There's a lot of stuff that I'm flicking past.

1662
01:21:27,612 --> 01:21:30,692
Speaker 2: But my understanding is that there is a lot of

1663
01:21:30,772 --> 01:21:33,692
Speaker 2: value in being number three on the dial still that

1664
01:21:33,772 --> 01:21:36,692
Speaker 2: a lot of people will not move away from those

1665
01:21:36,732 --> 01:21:39,013
Speaker 2: one two threes. Yep. In terms of things, a lot

1666
01:21:39,013 --> 01:21:41,253
Speaker 2: of people won't even move away from the one. No. No,

1667
01:21:42,213 --> 01:21:44,612
Speaker 2: I will a lot of value to Sky to have

1668
01:21:44,692 --> 01:21:46,372
Speaker 2: that that three on the box.

1669
01:21:46,452 --> 01:21:48,492
Speaker 3: Like you I've got to go through the Internet to

1670
01:21:48,492 --> 01:21:51,133
Speaker 3: watch terrestrial TV. I usually go through the laptop on

1671
01:21:51,213 --> 01:21:54,652
Speaker 3: TV and D plus or three now, but every now

1672
01:21:54,692 --> 01:21:58,132
Speaker 3: and again, i'd say maybe once a week, once a fortnight,

1673
01:21:58,173 --> 01:22:01,213
Speaker 3: I'll go back to terrestrial TV because I get this,

1674
01:22:01,213 --> 01:22:04,532
Speaker 3: this paradox of choice situation, the over choice that I

1675
01:22:04,612 --> 01:22:08,532
Speaker 3: go through Netflix, I go through Prime Video, and I

1676
01:22:08,652 --> 01:22:11,772
Speaker 3: am so overwhelmed with how many things there are to

1677
01:22:11,893 --> 01:22:14,133
Speaker 3: watch that it does my head in and I think

1678
01:22:14,213 --> 01:22:16,532
Speaker 3: I can't be bothered even deciding. And I know that

1679
01:22:16,652 --> 01:22:18,812
Speaker 3: sounds like a place of privilege, and I suppose it is.

1680
01:22:19,053 --> 01:22:20,933
Speaker 3: But then I'd say, I just want someone else to

1681
01:22:21,013 --> 01:22:23,973
Speaker 3: do the content program for me. So I'll flick on

1682
01:22:24,053 --> 01:22:27,093
Speaker 3: terrestrial TV, and I'm hoping, against hope that there's a

1683
01:22:27,093 --> 01:22:29,253
Speaker 3: show about houses on there, because I love those shows.

1684
01:22:29,492 --> 01:22:32,293
Speaker 2: Yes, so my mother and laws run at my house

1685
01:22:32,333 --> 01:22:35,372
Speaker 2: and she's a big fan of The Chase Right Great show,

1686
01:22:35,492 --> 01:22:37,892
Speaker 2: so she always puts the Chase on, and I quite

1687
01:22:38,053 --> 01:22:39,692
Speaker 2: liked it. The other day. I hadn't watched to restrial

1688
01:22:39,692 --> 01:22:41,293
Speaker 2: television for a long time, but the ads, I was like,

1689
01:22:41,333 --> 01:22:43,412
Speaker 2: this is great. You watch a bit, You're gonna do something. Yep,

1690
01:22:43,853 --> 01:22:47,212
Speaker 2: Dinner you mess around, you talk to people. There's actually

1691
01:22:47,412 --> 01:22:49,213
Speaker 2: there's actually something quite good. I know what you're saying.

1692
01:22:49,213 --> 01:22:52,173
Speaker 2: It's on at a certain time. You know, it's very

1693
01:22:52,173 --> 01:22:55,452
Speaker 2: old school, it is, but there's something there's something quite

1694
01:22:55,492 --> 01:22:57,572
Speaker 2: comforting about it. It is that just for Rea, it

1695
01:22:57,652 --> 01:22:58,452
Speaker 2: just sort of rolls on.

1696
01:22:58,652 --> 01:23:00,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, having that five minutes to check to your family

1697
01:23:00,772 --> 01:23:03,492
Speaker 3: members before the final chase is on, there's something really

1698
01:23:03,572 --> 01:23:06,173
Speaker 3: nice about that. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

1699
01:23:06,213 --> 01:23:09,452
Speaker 3: the number to call if you still watch terrestrial TV,

1700
01:23:09,652 --> 01:23:12,093
Speaker 3: either TV and Z or three. Love to hear from you.

1701
01:23:12,133 --> 01:23:14,293
Speaker 3: What do you watch and why do you stick with

1702
01:23:14,333 --> 01:23:16,492
Speaker 3: it when there's so many other options available now?

1703
01:23:16,572 --> 01:23:19,133
Speaker 2: Yeah? And what do you think about this wide to deal?

1704
01:23:19,213 --> 01:23:22,173
Speaker 2: What do you think to Sky has bought and taken

1705
01:23:22,213 --> 01:23:23,492
Speaker 2: on TV three?

1706
01:23:23,612 --> 01:23:26,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what are the opportunities for Sky? Oh eight

1707
01:23:26,253 --> 01:23:28,213
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1708
01:23:28,412 --> 01:23:31,092
Speaker 3: Very shortly, we're going to be chatting to Phil Smith.

1709
01:23:31,133 --> 01:23:34,053
Speaker 3: He's the owner of Great Southern Television and he has

1710
01:23:34,133 --> 01:23:37,492
Speaker 3: shows on TV and Z, TV three and Sky right now,

1711
01:23:37,572 --> 01:23:39,452
Speaker 3: so he's a good man to chat to and he

1712
01:23:39,692 --> 01:23:42,133
Speaker 3: is coming up. It is eleven PASS three.

1713
01:23:42,492 --> 01:23:44,652
Speaker 2: New Stalk zb very good afternoons.

1714
01:23:44,692 --> 01:23:47,132
Speaker 3: You we are talking about this Sky TV deal buying

1715
01:23:47,572 --> 01:23:49,652
Speaker 3: the three News brand, or not the three News but

1716
01:23:49,692 --> 01:23:53,572
Speaker 3: the three brand for one dollar taking ownership Friday, August

1717
01:23:53,652 --> 01:23:56,812
Speaker 3: the first. It is a big move in the media sphere.

1718
01:23:56,893 --> 01:23:58,492
Speaker 3: And keen to hear from you on eight hundred and

1719
01:23:58,492 --> 01:24:01,133
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty on whether you still watch terrestrial TV

1720
01:24:01,333 --> 01:24:02,372
Speaker 3: and what this could mean?

1721
01:24:02,812 --> 01:24:05,612
Speaker 2: Logan still does I still have a forty year old

1722
01:24:05,772 --> 01:24:09,932
Speaker 2: national quintracks. I still periodically us with a free view receiver.

1723
01:24:10,053 --> 01:24:12,732
Speaker 2: Cannot do away with my TV, says Logan.

1724
01:24:12,853 --> 01:24:16,012
Speaker 3: Good on your Logan right so standing by right now

1725
01:24:16,333 --> 01:24:18,572
Speaker 3: we have Phil Smith. He is the owner of Great

1726
01:24:18,612 --> 01:24:21,892
Speaker 3: Southern Television. He currently has right now shows on TV

1727
01:24:21,973 --> 01:24:25,013
Speaker 3: and S. He had TV three, Sky, Netflix and the BBC.

1728
01:24:25,452 --> 01:24:27,572
Speaker 3: So a very very good person to chat to.

1729
01:24:27,853 --> 01:24:28,133
Speaker 14: Phil.

1730
01:24:28,652 --> 01:24:31,092
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you, great to chat.

1731
01:24:32,013 --> 01:24:32,612
Speaker 1: Good afternoon.

1732
01:24:32,692 --> 01:24:35,892
Speaker 2: How's it going fantastic? Is this a good move from Sky?

1733
01:24:36,333 --> 01:24:39,053
Speaker 2: And what do they get out of taking over three?

1734
01:24:39,973 --> 01:24:41,012
Speaker 17: Is this good news?

1735
01:24:41,093 --> 01:24:41,412
Speaker 13: Well?

1736
01:24:41,732 --> 01:24:45,213
Speaker 17: Tyler and Matt, I'll say I was only happier watching

1737
01:24:45,213 --> 01:24:47,812
Speaker 17: the last eight seconds of the Warriors on Sunday nights

1738
01:24:50,812 --> 01:24:53,692
Speaker 17: when I heard it. Yeah, when I heard it this morning.

1739
01:24:54,093 --> 01:24:58,013
Speaker 17: I was thrilled, and I was thrilled for basically, you know,

1740
01:24:58,093 --> 01:25:01,013
Speaker 17: the consolidation of our media sector that's just had so

1741
01:25:01,133 --> 01:25:05,052
Speaker 17: much turmoil and uncertainty and to see such a clever

1742
01:25:05,173 --> 01:25:09,293
Speaker 17: move VIINGNAU was just wonderful. But most of all thrilled

1743
01:25:09,333 --> 01:25:13,692
Speaker 17: for the viewer because you know, it's New Zealand. We've

1744
01:25:13,732 --> 01:25:18,532
Speaker 17: now got two powerful New Zealand owned media companies. They're

1745
01:25:18,572 --> 01:25:20,492
Speaker 17: going to go head to head, but it's going to

1746
01:25:20,532 --> 01:25:24,053
Speaker 17: be great, great for content, and just that absolute certainty

1747
01:25:24,492 --> 01:25:27,133
Speaker 17: that TV three is around to give great the great

1748
01:25:27,213 --> 01:25:30,892
Speaker 17: viewing experience to key we viewers well into the future.

1749
01:25:31,173 --> 01:25:33,133
Speaker 2: Now, all we've heard for years is how much TV

1750
01:25:33,213 --> 01:25:36,213
Speaker 2: three is losing. How can Sky make money from them

1751
01:25:36,293 --> 01:25:37,852
Speaker 2: if others have failed.

1752
01:25:39,213 --> 01:25:43,932
Speaker 17: Well, it's actually not good. It's going to be a challenge,

1753
01:25:43,933 --> 01:25:47,412
Speaker 17: but not that difficult because they can absorb so many

1754
01:25:47,532 --> 01:25:52,772
Speaker 17: costs into their system, their transmission costs, their advertising sales costs.

1755
01:25:52,973 --> 01:25:56,372
Speaker 17: They can bring so much together, so it really is

1756
01:25:56,452 --> 01:26:01,333
Speaker 17: an absolutely natural marriage. Warner Brothers Discovery have delivered them

1757
01:26:01,372 --> 01:26:06,492
Speaker 17: a palette of wonderful content and ongoing dehills. It hasn't

1758
01:26:06,532 --> 01:26:09,293
Speaker 17: been talked about, but it is the three letter word,

1759
01:26:09,333 --> 01:26:14,213
Speaker 17: which is HBO, which I imagine could be packaged into

1760
01:26:14,213 --> 01:26:19,612
Speaker 17: the steal, but overall just just a deal of wonderful synergy.

1761
01:26:20,213 --> 01:26:22,892
Speaker 2: And what does this mean for three and the people

1762
01:26:23,053 --> 01:26:26,412
Speaker 2: that work there currently.

1763
01:26:25,973 --> 01:26:29,333
Speaker 17: Well, at the moment, like it's you can see that

1764
01:26:29,372 --> 01:26:31,812
Speaker 17: it's pretty much steady as she goes because they're all

1765
01:26:31,812 --> 01:26:37,132
Speaker 17: complementary services. So you've got you know, TV three and

1766
01:26:37,293 --> 01:26:39,812
Speaker 17: continue as the three to work. I've got three now

1767
01:26:39,933 --> 01:26:44,612
Speaker 17: which has been increasing his audience significantly, and you know,

1768
01:26:44,772 --> 01:26:46,452
Speaker 17: the team at three over the last year have done

1769
01:26:46,492 --> 01:26:50,612
Speaker 17: a wonderful job. And then you've got Sky's supplementary service

1770
01:26:50,652 --> 01:26:55,173
Speaker 17: and so overall the it's a broad template and so

1771
01:26:55,692 --> 01:26:58,732
Speaker 17: for Sky they've now got a really exciting offering to

1772
01:26:58,772 --> 01:27:00,572
Speaker 17: take out the advertising market.

1773
01:27:01,492 --> 01:27:04,853
Speaker 3: So clearly Sky backed themselves fail to have the resources

1774
01:27:04,893 --> 01:27:07,452
Speaker 3: to take on TV and Z. That's that's long been

1775
01:27:07,532 --> 01:27:09,372
Speaker 3: king in terrestrial TV in New Zealand.

1776
01:27:11,013 --> 01:27:13,253
Speaker 2: Part And what was that you're saying?

1777
01:27:13,293 --> 01:27:16,013
Speaker 3: Sky TV believes it's got the resources to take on

1778
01:27:16,053 --> 01:27:17,173
Speaker 3: the likes of TV.

1779
01:27:16,973 --> 01:27:21,772
Speaker 17: And Z absolutely well, Sky obviously being publicly listed and

1780
01:27:22,372 --> 01:27:25,612
Speaker 17: you know, it's performed wonderfully over the last you know,

1781
01:27:25,732 --> 01:27:29,892
Speaker 17: three years. They have more than enough pash resources to

1782
01:27:30,013 --> 01:27:33,732
Speaker 17: ensure that three carries on and it's stayed, and they

1783
01:27:33,772 --> 01:27:36,293
Speaker 17: build that brand, and they can bring across a lot

1784
01:27:36,333 --> 01:27:39,772
Speaker 17: of their viewership, you know, in terms of you know,

1785
01:27:39,853 --> 01:27:41,612
Speaker 17: we could have a Friday night with a bit of

1786
01:27:41,652 --> 01:27:45,372
Speaker 17: rugby Saturday, a bit of rugby Sunday League match. So

1787
01:27:45,812 --> 01:27:48,412
Speaker 17: overall a guy can bring across a lot of its

1788
01:27:48,452 --> 01:27:51,812
Speaker 17: resources and plug it into three. There will be an

1789
01:27:51,853 --> 01:27:56,572
Speaker 17: interesting debate about what happens to Neon and two three now,

1790
01:27:56,812 --> 01:28:00,732
Speaker 17: but you know, one's an ava which has advertisment supported,

1791
01:28:00,732 --> 01:28:04,333
Speaker 17: which is what three dolls, and the other is obviously subscriber.

1792
01:28:04,492 --> 01:28:07,372
Speaker 17: So at the moment, I think they'll remain different and

1793
01:28:07,452 --> 01:28:10,053
Speaker 17: the viewers will be able to access both of them.

1794
01:28:10,093 --> 01:28:14,812
Speaker 17: But for Sky, a really interesting package that they'll be

1795
01:28:14,853 --> 01:28:16,132
Speaker 17: able to take out to the market.

1796
01:28:17,173 --> 01:28:20,133
Speaker 2: Now, you've made a lot of shows over the years

1797
01:28:20,412 --> 01:28:23,333
Speaker 2: and you currently have got shows on three, You've got

1798
01:28:23,492 --> 01:28:26,452
Speaker 2: TV and Z, Sky, BBC, Netflix. What does this mean

1799
01:28:26,492 --> 01:28:29,213
Speaker 2: for the for the TV industry and the from a

1800
01:28:29,253 --> 01:28:32,612
Speaker 2: production perspective? Will there be more shows made in New Zealand?

1801
01:28:33,732 --> 01:28:37,572
Speaker 17: Well, I think Sophie Maloney today said that she's really

1802
01:28:37,572 --> 01:28:41,133
Speaker 17: strongly committed to the output of New Zealand content. And

1803
01:28:41,692 --> 01:28:44,612
Speaker 17: you know Sky has been putting its tone in the

1804
01:28:44,612 --> 01:28:48,532
Speaker 17: water in terms of neon and making local content. You know,

1805
01:28:48,572 --> 01:28:50,932
Speaker 17: one downside, you can say, well, there's one less media

1806
01:28:50,933 --> 01:28:53,652
Speaker 17: player in the market, but at the same time that

1807
01:28:53,853 --> 01:28:56,852
Speaker 17: media player has now got a lot more cash resource

1808
01:28:56,973 --> 01:29:01,492
Speaker 17: to to finance some fund local content. And I think

1809
01:29:01,532 --> 01:29:05,092
Speaker 17: that you'll see you'll see both TV three and Sky

1810
01:29:05,173 --> 01:29:09,253
Speaker 17: continuing on their programming paths in terms of of picking

1811
01:29:09,293 --> 01:29:11,812
Speaker 17: up local content and getting it out to the news

1812
01:29:11,812 --> 01:29:12,492
Speaker 17: and audiences.

1813
01:29:13,213 --> 01:29:17,253
Speaker 2: And what's in it for me, Phil as a punter

1814
01:29:17,412 --> 01:29:20,093
Speaker 2: sitting at home, sitting my fat ass down on my

1815
01:29:20,173 --> 01:29:22,852
Speaker 2: couch and turning my TV on, what's in this for me?

1816
01:29:24,372 --> 01:29:26,133
Speaker 17: Well, I think I think you're going to see a

1817
01:29:26,173 --> 01:29:28,253
Speaker 17: better TV three. I think they're going to have a

1818
01:29:28,333 --> 01:29:31,812
Speaker 17: lot more content available and therefore it's going to create

1819
01:29:31,893 --> 01:29:34,612
Speaker 17: more competition with TV And said, I mean this is

1820
01:29:34,652 --> 01:29:37,852
Speaker 17: a bitter sweet for TV and said today, you know

1821
01:29:37,933 --> 01:29:40,972
Speaker 17: they've got obviously they want to have an active market

1822
01:29:41,692 --> 01:29:44,773
Speaker 17: advertising market, so that's good for them because it's competitive.

1823
01:29:45,133 --> 01:29:48,013
Speaker 17: At the same time they've now got a genuine competitor.

1824
01:29:48,492 --> 01:29:50,852
Speaker 17: But for you, it means that you'll probably see better

1825
01:29:50,893 --> 01:29:54,452
Speaker 17: shows on three. You might see a bit of that

1826
01:29:54,452 --> 01:29:57,732
Speaker 17: that premium content on the leak across onto TV three.

1827
01:29:57,772 --> 01:30:00,892
Speaker 17: You'll see better sport on TV three. They're committed to

1828
01:30:00,973 --> 01:30:04,492
Speaker 17: supporting the news, which stuff has done a great job

1829
01:30:04,692 --> 01:30:07,652
Speaker 17: over over the past year, you know, just keeping it

1830
01:30:07,732 --> 01:30:10,053
Speaker 17: on air. It is a tribute to everyone. It's three

1831
01:30:10,093 --> 01:30:12,772
Speaker 17: over the last year that they have actually kept the

1832
01:30:12,772 --> 01:30:16,572
Speaker 17: place going on a shoe string down three hundred stuff

1833
01:30:16,652 --> 01:30:19,133
Speaker 17: gone down to one hundred and thirty. So this is

1834
01:30:19,173 --> 01:30:22,652
Speaker 17: a real victory day for them, and it just means Matt,

1835
01:30:22,692 --> 01:30:25,372
Speaker 17: you'll see I think you'll see better shows. I think

1836
01:30:25,692 --> 01:30:30,173
Speaker 17: the network will a bit more polished and you'll still

1837
01:30:30,213 --> 01:30:31,613
Speaker 17: have a digital offerings.

1838
01:30:31,812 --> 01:30:33,652
Speaker 2: Are they still in that leak or on Flower Street

1839
01:30:33,692 --> 01:30:34,612
Speaker 2: or have they moved out?

1840
01:30:36,412 --> 01:30:40,492
Speaker 17: Well, you know, they've always been like the foster kid,

1841
01:30:40,572 --> 01:30:44,253
Speaker 17: haven't they. I think they're finally found a home, you know,

1842
01:30:44,452 --> 01:30:47,772
Speaker 17: and for old TV three, you know, they really are

1843
01:30:47,893 --> 01:30:51,732
Speaker 17: our pirates and our battlers, and they do a great job.

1844
01:30:51,973 --> 01:30:54,133
Speaker 17: But where they end up being housed in the end,

1845
01:30:54,412 --> 01:30:57,372
Speaker 17: I mean, obviously they'll be part of Sky's operation and

1846
01:30:57,412 --> 01:31:00,532
Speaker 17: they'll be housed summer at Sky, but in the interim

1847
01:31:00,572 --> 01:31:03,053
Speaker 17: they are doing. They are out of Flower Street. They're

1848
01:31:03,093 --> 01:31:07,372
Speaker 17: out of Flower Street on Friday. So where they go,

1849
01:31:07,492 --> 01:31:13,692
Speaker 17: they'll they'll walk, and they have got officers in moving

1850
01:31:13,732 --> 01:31:17,652
Speaker 17: to for an interim period, I believe in then I'd

1851
01:31:17,732 --> 01:31:19,692
Speaker 17: say that the transition will begin.

1852
01:31:19,973 --> 01:31:22,293
Speaker 2: Forty days in the nights and then they'll end up

1853
01:31:22,293 --> 01:31:25,053
Speaker 2: out in Penrose probably. Hey, thank you so much.

1854
01:31:25,893 --> 01:31:28,652
Speaker 17: No, yeah, I mean the offices downtown as well, so

1855
01:31:28,973 --> 01:31:33,253
Speaker 17: who knows, they'll they'll be juggling, but but yeah, it's

1856
01:31:33,253 --> 01:31:36,772
Speaker 17: a home. It's good for viewers, and yeah, everyone's pretty excited.

1857
01:31:36,933 --> 01:31:39,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, love it. Feel great to chat with you and

1858
01:31:39,053 --> 01:31:40,972
Speaker 3: get your expertise. Will catch up again soon.

1859
01:31:41,692 --> 01:31:42,692
Speaker 17: Okay, cheers guys.

1860
01:31:42,732 --> 01:31:45,213
Speaker 3: That is thanks mate. That is Phil Smith, owner of

1861
01:31:45,293 --> 01:31:49,213
Speaker 3: Great Southern Television. Incredibly optimistic and made me optimistic having

1862
01:31:49,213 --> 01:31:50,973
Speaker 3: a chat with him. But keen to get your views. Oh,

1863
01:31:50,973 --> 01:31:53,412
Speaker 3: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel

1864
01:31:53,412 --> 01:31:55,852
Speaker 3: about the Sky TV deal taking over three? Do you

1865
01:31:55,933 --> 01:31:58,253
Speaker 3: still watch linear TV? And if you do, what do

1866
01:31:58,293 --> 01:32:00,333
Speaker 3: you watch and what do you want to see on

1867
01:32:00,452 --> 01:32:03,253
Speaker 3: the newly owned TV three network.

1868
01:32:03,853 --> 01:32:07,492
Speaker 2: About four hundred people just texted NASCAR bring it and

1869
01:32:07,532 --> 01:32:10,532
Speaker 2: the Gizzy it is twenty two PUS.

1870
01:32:10,293 --> 01:32:17,532
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons cool oh eight

1871
01:32:17,612 --> 01:32:20,092
Speaker 1: hundred eighty eighty on Youth Talk ZEDB.

1872
01:32:21,013 --> 01:32:23,812
Speaker 3: News Talks ZEDB, we are talking about Sky TV buy

1873
01:32:23,893 --> 01:32:26,532
Speaker 3: in the three network, but ken to have a chat

1874
01:32:26,572 --> 01:32:28,452
Speaker 3: with you if you still watch linear TV, what do

1875
01:32:28,492 --> 01:32:30,173
Speaker 3: you watch and why do you love it? And what

1876
01:32:30,213 --> 01:32:32,093
Speaker 3: do you want to see from this new deal? There

1877
01:32:32,213 --> 01:32:34,692
Speaker 3: is potential for new local programming to be made O

1878
01:32:34,772 --> 01:32:37,452
Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty simon your thoughts

1879
01:32:37,492 --> 01:32:37,652
Speaker 3: on this?

1880
01:32:39,093 --> 01:32:40,972
Speaker 8: Yeah, good and then guys and thanks for having around

1881
01:32:41,013 --> 01:32:44,653
Speaker 8: the show. And I did read that there's a possibility

1882
01:32:44,692 --> 01:32:47,093
Speaker 8: of this happening a month or so ago, so yeah,

1883
01:32:47,093 --> 01:32:50,933
Speaker 8: it was was not too surprised. But yeah, I'm optimistically

1884
01:32:51,013 --> 01:32:55,293
Speaker 8: looking forward to to something decent happening here. And I

1885
01:32:55,293 --> 01:32:58,852
Speaker 8: guess with the with the TV thrigs having the welf

1886
01:32:58,893 --> 01:33:01,092
Speaker 8: Sky and they're having the three channels of Sky open

1887
01:33:01,372 --> 01:33:04,173
Speaker 8: Eden and TV three, it'd be nice to see one

1888
01:33:04,213 --> 01:33:06,612
Speaker 8: of them that may maybe go to a paid content

1889
01:33:06,652 --> 01:33:11,572
Speaker 8: where there's no adverts, would be interesting. And yeah, that

1890
01:33:11,612 --> 01:33:14,213
Speaker 8: could be quite interesting. I know that Foxtel and TV

1891
01:33:14,572 --> 01:33:18,093
Speaker 8: at Foxtel TV in Australia, did the acredinent of Sky

1892
01:33:18,253 --> 01:33:20,853
Speaker 8: did something where you could pick four of their channels

1893
01:33:21,412 --> 01:33:23,732
Speaker 8: and it was twenty twenty two dollars a month or

1894
01:33:23,732 --> 01:33:25,452
Speaker 8: something like that, and you could pick four of the

1895
01:33:25,532 --> 01:33:27,293
Speaker 8: channels and that's where you paid. So if you're only

1896
01:33:27,333 --> 01:33:29,732
Speaker 8: interested in the news, you might get seen in BBC

1897
01:33:29,933 --> 01:33:32,452
Speaker 8: or something like that and you could do that. So yeah,

1898
01:33:32,652 --> 01:33:34,092
Speaker 8: that would be something that Sky.

1899
01:33:33,933 --> 01:33:35,293
Speaker 17: Could do here.

1900
01:33:35,612 --> 01:33:39,173
Speaker 8: As for watching lenear TV, I don't really watch it

1901
01:33:39,213 --> 01:33:41,293
Speaker 8: only the news at night. I just stick it on

1902
01:33:41,372 --> 01:33:43,892
Speaker 8: in the background when I'm clearing emails or something like that,

1903
01:33:43,933 --> 01:33:45,932
Speaker 8: and I just go through and sect the something interesting.

1904
01:33:46,013 --> 01:33:49,813
Speaker 8: So yeah, maybe TV three could be rebranded or renamed

1905
01:33:49,853 --> 01:33:52,253
Speaker 8: Sky three or three Sky or something like that.

1906
01:33:52,933 --> 01:33:55,772
Speaker 2: Now does the TV three brand mean anything to use Simon.

1907
01:33:58,133 --> 01:34:00,892
Speaker 8: I'm old enough to remember when it first started and

1908
01:34:00,933 --> 01:34:05,772
Speaker 8: John John hawksby reading the news, so I'm not I'm

1909
01:34:05,812 --> 01:34:09,652
Speaker 8: not fussed. Yeah, I'll just hope something over the next

1910
01:34:10,333 --> 01:34:12,933
Speaker 8: six five months, something good comes out of it. We

1911
01:34:12,973 --> 01:34:15,652
Speaker 8: get a bit better content, whether it's more American stuff

1912
01:34:15,652 --> 01:34:19,812
Speaker 8: coming in. But yeah, certainly watching it on demand. We've

1913
01:34:19,812 --> 01:34:23,652
Speaker 8: got a smart TV so it's not connected to the antenna.

1914
01:34:23,652 --> 01:34:26,173
Speaker 8: It's connected to the internet, so we're certainly not watching

1915
01:34:26,213 --> 01:34:31,133
Speaker 8: treustrial TV. The cost of terrestrial TV very expensive having

1916
01:34:31,173 --> 01:34:36,333
Speaker 8: all those transmitters around. It's you know, if they did

1917
01:34:36,372 --> 01:34:41,452
Speaker 8: away with it then yeah, it'd be interesting to see

1918
01:34:41,452 --> 01:34:46,013
Speaker 8: what population uses to trustal TV now with it, it's

1919
01:34:46,013 --> 01:34:48,932
Speaker 8: probably getting up there towards the ninety percent being streamed.

1920
01:34:50,173 --> 01:34:53,492
Speaker 8: So yeah, that cost, once it gets to a certain amount,

1921
01:34:53,732 --> 01:34:57,493
Speaker 8: that cost of terrestal TV could all must be decommissioned.

1922
01:34:57,492 --> 01:34:59,692
Speaker 8: That I went from analog to digital some years back,

1923
01:34:59,732 --> 01:35:02,213
Speaker 8: but yeah, it's got to come to a time and

1924
01:35:02,253 --> 01:35:03,893
Speaker 8: that's got to be decommissioned.

1925
01:35:04,093 --> 01:35:04,333
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1926
01:35:04,612 --> 01:35:07,053
Speaker 3: Just on the freeview side of things though, Simon, do

1927
01:35:07,213 --> 01:35:12,612
Speaker 3: you access the at on You know fairly regularly that

1928
01:35:12,692 --> 01:35:15,452
Speaker 3: you go back to the traditional one, two, and three,

1929
01:35:16,173 --> 01:35:18,572
Speaker 3: arguably because you might be overwhelmed with choice or you

1930
01:35:18,652 --> 01:35:20,253
Speaker 3: can't decide what you want to watch, so you put

1931
01:35:20,293 --> 01:35:22,452
Speaker 3: on those traditional channels that are programmed for you.

1932
01:35:23,372 --> 01:35:27,213
Speaker 8: There's yeah, there's a few programs like the News that

1933
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Speaker 8: I'll watch one News or like the Repair Shop on

1934
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Speaker 8: a Friday night at seven thirty on Channel one. So

1935
01:35:32,253 --> 01:35:35,173
Speaker 8: there's a few programs that I'll watch or if I'm

1936
01:35:35,173 --> 01:35:37,692
Speaker 8: at home and I can't be bothered, or I'm clearing

1937
01:35:37,732 --> 01:35:39,852
Speaker 8: emails and just want thing that just have on the

1938
01:35:39,893 --> 01:35:42,253
Speaker 8: background to distract me. I'll turn it on. I'll just

1939
01:35:42,333 --> 01:35:44,892
Speaker 8: go through and just see what's there. I've just got

1940
01:35:44,893 --> 01:35:46,173
Speaker 8: it on that at the moment, and I see on

1941
01:35:46,213 --> 01:35:49,452
Speaker 8: sky Open, isn't it a new air traffic control program or.

1942
01:35:49,372 --> 01:35:50,013
Speaker 15: Something like that?

1943
01:35:50,093 --> 01:35:52,692
Speaker 8: So I might put that on just to keep me

1944
01:35:52,853 --> 01:35:56,293
Speaker 8: entertained while I'm playing emails or doing something else. So, yeah,

1945
01:35:56,333 --> 01:35:59,412
Speaker 8: but there's only probably two or three four programs each

1946
01:35:59,492 --> 01:36:02,253
Speaker 8: week that I watch, but I deliberately sit down to

1947
01:36:02,293 --> 01:36:04,452
Speaker 8: watch at those times. And if I can't see them

1948
01:36:04,492 --> 01:36:06,293
Speaker 8: at seven thirty on a Friday night, I know that

1949
01:36:06,372 --> 01:36:08,293
Speaker 8: I can watch an hour later on delayed.

1950
01:36:08,412 --> 01:36:10,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, good man, Simon, thank you very much for giving

1951
01:36:10,572 --> 01:36:13,013
Speaker 3: us a bus keen to get your views on Oh yeah,

1952
01:36:13,053 --> 01:36:15,852
Speaker 3: thank you, Simon. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1953
01:36:15,893 --> 01:36:18,652
Speaker 3: the number to call, really keen to get your thoughts

1954
01:36:18,692 --> 01:36:23,052
Speaker 3: on this deal. Sky TV taking over three network, plenty

1955
01:36:23,093 --> 01:36:25,173
Speaker 3: of teachs coming through on nine to two nine two as well.

1956
01:36:25,372 --> 01:36:29,492
Speaker 2: I tell you, so many people are worried about the NASCAR. Hi, guys,

1957
01:36:29,572 --> 01:36:31,412
Speaker 2: not sure if three Now and TV three are joined

1958
01:36:31,412 --> 01:36:35,412
Speaker 2: at the hit but three Now streaming service has motor

1959
01:36:35,452 --> 01:36:40,973
Speaker 2: GP in Nascar and it's free. So for our boy,

1960
01:36:41,372 --> 01:36:45,532
Speaker 2: if you're if you're TV three or your Sky, then

1961
01:36:45,692 --> 01:36:48,093
Speaker 2: I can tell you right now. The listeners of news

1962
01:36:48,173 --> 01:36:50,492
Speaker 2: Talk said, peak here a lot about NASCAR and motor GP.

1963
01:36:50,692 --> 01:36:53,652
Speaker 3: Keep the Nascar free. It is twenty nine past three

1964
01:36:53,692 --> 01:36:54,933
Speaker 3: headlines with Raylen coming up.

1965
01:36:57,253 --> 01:37:00,933
Speaker 10: Jew's Talk said by headlines blue bubble taxis, it's no

1966
01:37:01,093 --> 01:37:04,492
Speaker 10: trouble with a blue bubble. Our Foreign Affairs Minister is

1967
01:37:04,572 --> 01:37:08,452
Speaker 10: adding our voice to calls from the UK, Australia and

1968
01:37:08,532 --> 01:37:12,253
Speaker 10: twenty six other nations for a permanent Gaza cease fire

1969
01:37:12,572 --> 01:37:16,492
Speaker 10: with civilians suffering reaching new debts. The statement says Hama

1970
01:37:16,572 --> 01:37:21,972
Speaker 10: should release hostages and Israel stop restricting aid to Gaza. Meanwhile,

1971
01:37:21,973 --> 01:37:25,333
Speaker 10: New Zealand's Muslim and Jewish leaders assigning the New Zealand

1972
01:37:25,372 --> 01:37:30,853
Speaker 10: Harmony Accord today, hoping to foster cultural collaboration. A specialist

1973
01:37:30,893 --> 01:37:34,253
Speaker 10: surgeon suggests it could take up to twenty years before

1974
01:37:34,253 --> 01:37:38,653
Speaker 10: the workforce is boosted by new medical school at wykathl University.

1975
01:37:39,492 --> 01:37:43,772
Speaker 10: Fletcher Building is looking interpossibly selling its construction arm and

1976
01:37:43,853 --> 01:37:48,053
Speaker 10: the Higgins, Brian Perry, Sivil and Fletcher Construction major projects

1977
01:37:48,133 --> 01:37:53,213
Speaker 10: business units. It says it's had significant interest finds topping

1978
01:37:53,253 --> 01:37:57,052
Speaker 10: one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars for law debt collection

1979
01:37:57,253 --> 01:38:01,693
Speaker 10: and director John Campbell, who misled and wrongfully threatened consumers,

1980
01:38:01,973 --> 01:38:05,132
Speaker 10: as well as claiming collection costs on top of debts.

1981
01:38:06,093 --> 01:38:09,213
Speaker 10: An accuser's story suggests how Trump might appear in the

1982
01:38:09,253 --> 01:38:12,572
Speaker 10: Epstein files. You can see more ad ndzny here Well

1983
01:38:12,612 --> 01:38:15,492
Speaker 10: premium backmail to Matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1984
01:38:15,173 --> 01:38:17,492
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So a lot of

1985
01:38:17,492 --> 01:38:19,852
Speaker 2: people are texting in why do does Matt call it

1986
01:38:19,973 --> 01:38:24,333
Speaker 2: terrestrial TV and Tyler call it linear TV? See I'm

1987
01:38:24,412 --> 01:38:29,412
Speaker 2: incorrectly referring to TV three, TV one, TV two, TVNZ

1988
01:38:29,572 --> 01:38:32,972
Speaker 2: two as terrestrial TV. Terrestrial TV was over the air

1989
01:38:33,053 --> 01:38:37,652
Speaker 2: television television broadcasts that were transmitted via radio ways from

1990
01:38:37,732 --> 01:38:43,733
Speaker 2: ground based transmitters to intennas you know, and receiving devices

1991
01:38:43,772 --> 01:38:46,372
Speaker 2: like televisions. You know, you could have put the ravity

1992
01:38:46,492 --> 01:38:48,452
Speaker 2: is up. Yep, the old rabbity is I just said

1993
01:38:48,492 --> 01:38:52,813
Speaker 2: this was linear refers to the traditional method of watching television.

1994
01:38:52,933 --> 01:38:55,612
Speaker 2: So however, it's getting into your screen the content is

1995
01:38:55,652 --> 01:38:59,293
Speaker 2: broadcast at a scheduled time and viewers have to tune

1996
01:38:59,293 --> 01:39:02,173
Speaker 2: in at the Pacific moment to watch it plays play

1997
01:39:02,293 --> 01:39:06,333
Speaker 2: some ads, right, so that's more wrapped. So yeah, you're right, Tyler.

1998
01:39:06,492 --> 01:39:08,572
Speaker 3: And yeah, but the reason I said linear was because

1999
01:39:08,612 --> 01:39:10,452
Speaker 3: it was easier to say I was having trouble with

2000
01:39:10,532 --> 01:39:13,452
Speaker 3: terrestrial TVs. I just went with linear. But I'm glad

2001
01:39:13,452 --> 01:39:13,852
Speaker 3: I was right.

2002
01:39:13,933 --> 01:39:16,052
Speaker 2: You do say terist real quite oddly.

2003
01:39:16,492 --> 01:39:20,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, ye, soupringing.

2004
01:39:19,293 --> 01:39:22,452
Speaker 2: Terrestrial fair Welcome to the show.

2005
01:39:23,173 --> 01:39:26,093
Speaker 6: Hello, gentlemen. You might dislike what I have to say,

2006
01:39:26,133 --> 01:39:29,652
Speaker 6: but I'm very glad that terres or whatever it was

2007
01:39:29,692 --> 01:39:31,932
Speaker 6: explained because I thought it was something coming and from.

2008
01:39:31,812 --> 01:39:32,452
Speaker 7: Out of space.

2009
01:39:34,492 --> 01:39:35,612
Speaker 6: I'm very glad that was.

2010
01:39:35,612 --> 01:39:37,132
Speaker 2: Explained sometime in space.

2011
01:39:38,173 --> 01:39:40,532
Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, I'm a bit of a dinosaur. I just

2012
01:39:41,452 --> 01:39:44,892
Speaker 6: I'm just got the basic free to air. But I

2013
01:39:44,933 --> 01:39:47,932
Speaker 6: wanted this is where you might just slight me a bit.

2014
01:39:48,173 --> 01:39:53,213
Speaker 6: Well whatever, I have to tell you that I'm just

2015
01:39:53,412 --> 01:39:56,052
Speaker 6: fed up with so much sports sports, sport.

2016
01:39:56,093 --> 01:39:56,253
Speaker 10: Now.

2017
01:39:56,572 --> 01:39:59,372
Speaker 6: I believe in sport. People should do sports. That's good,

2018
01:39:59,772 --> 01:40:03,013
Speaker 6: but it's like it's such a religion now that the

2019
01:40:03,133 --> 01:40:07,093
Speaker 6: sport gentlemen has their own radio station that they can

2020
01:40:07,133 --> 01:40:10,852
Speaker 6: tend to on the radio Sky Open, which I do

2021
01:40:11,133 --> 01:40:14,572
Speaker 6: like full of sports, but they put something decent on

2022
01:40:14,612 --> 01:40:19,173
Speaker 6: the other day which was a tattoous of Outwitch. That's

2023
01:40:19,532 --> 01:40:22,053
Speaker 6: that you've really got to have a strong constitution to

2024
01:40:22,053 --> 01:40:25,372
Speaker 6: see that. And I'd like to see a few more documentaries,

2025
01:40:26,572 --> 01:40:31,253
Speaker 6: a few more stories, you know, with a bit of

2026
01:40:31,372 --> 01:40:34,652
Speaker 6: bite in them. You know, as I said before, I'm

2027
01:40:34,652 --> 01:40:37,772
Speaker 6: not against sport, but I just feel you've got Sky

2028
01:40:37,893 --> 01:40:40,253
Speaker 6: that's got a lot of sport. They've got their own

2029
01:40:40,412 --> 01:40:43,732
Speaker 6: Sky Sports station, they've got it on the blooming radio,

2030
01:40:44,173 --> 01:40:47,572
Speaker 6: and someone like me who's more into literature, would like

2031
01:40:47,692 --> 01:40:49,532
Speaker 6: to see a bit more of the documentary.

2032
01:40:49,692 --> 01:40:52,133
Speaker 2: Do you have YouTube? Do you watch YouTube at all?

2033
01:40:52,213 --> 01:40:52,532
Speaker 9: Beryl?

2034
01:40:53,173 --> 01:40:54,652
Speaker 6: No, Dulian, I'm a dinosaur on.

2035
01:40:55,692 --> 01:40:57,532
Speaker 2: Can you can you? Can you rustle up? Have you

2036
01:40:57,572 --> 01:40:59,492
Speaker 2: got a computer and an Internet collection connection?

2037
01:41:00,293 --> 01:41:00,492
Speaker 6: No?

2038
01:41:01,692 --> 01:41:05,452
Speaker 2: Because I think you would love YouTube or it's there's

2039
01:41:05,492 --> 01:41:08,612
Speaker 2: so many documentaries on YouTube that that that you can neck.

2040
01:41:08,612 --> 01:41:11,652
Speaker 2: You can find you can find information nearly anything. I mean,

2041
01:41:11,692 --> 01:41:13,093
Speaker 2: you've got to be careful. Some of it's made up,

2042
01:41:13,133 --> 01:41:15,133
Speaker 2: but some of it will lead you with a crazy

2043
01:41:15,173 --> 01:41:17,812
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. So you've you've got to be careful and

2044
01:41:19,293 --> 01:41:23,492
Speaker 2: you know you might be getting radicalized. But there's a

2045
01:41:23,532 --> 01:41:25,772
Speaker 2: lot on there interesting. Thank you for you call Beryl

2046
01:41:25,933 --> 01:41:28,133
Speaker 2: and look, yeah, there's sending me a lot of sport

2047
01:41:28,173 --> 01:41:30,052
Speaker 2: on Yeah, my god, I'll watch a lot of sport

2048
01:41:30,093 --> 01:41:31,692
Speaker 2: coming especially on that if one weekend.

2049
01:41:31,973 --> 01:41:34,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I've got to say, Beryl, she's got

2050
01:41:34,093 --> 01:41:36,133
Speaker 3: to have some sort of easy watching going on. The

2051
01:41:36,173 --> 01:41:39,133
Speaker 3: Teto of Oschwitz, I'm sure is a great watch, but

2052
01:41:39,173 --> 01:41:41,772
Speaker 3: pretty heavy. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is

2053
01:41:41,853 --> 01:41:43,932
Speaker 3: the number to call. Love to hear your thoughts about

2054
01:41:43,973 --> 01:41:46,612
Speaker 3: the Sky TV takeover of three network? What do you

2055
01:41:46,652 --> 01:41:49,372
Speaker 3: want to see? And do you still watch linear TV?

2056
01:41:50,652 --> 01:41:51,012
Speaker 2: Steve?

2057
01:41:52,333 --> 01:41:55,013
Speaker 3: Do you mate? What's your take on this?

2058
01:41:57,933 --> 01:41:58,173
Speaker 14: Yeah?

2059
01:41:58,492 --> 01:42:00,093
Speaker 21: I don't mind watching the way it goes, but I

2060
01:42:00,133 --> 01:42:03,973
Speaker 21: thought i'd just added something in here. I watched a

2061
01:42:04,013 --> 01:42:09,253
Speaker 21: lot of Next Car obviously SVG's and that. Now, if

2062
01:42:09,293 --> 01:42:11,933
Speaker 21: you go to no Leman's or jbhy Fine and the

2063
01:42:12,093 --> 01:42:15,092
Speaker 21: likes of you buy one of those Amazon fire sticks,

2064
01:42:15,093 --> 01:42:19,132
Speaker 21: you can actually subscribe to their to their whatever their

2065
01:42:19,173 --> 01:42:23,133
Speaker 21: subscription base. I think it's like sixteen or seventeen bucks

2066
01:42:23,133 --> 01:42:27,412
Speaker 21: a month, and you get all the channels that you

2067
01:42:27,452 --> 01:42:29,732
Speaker 21: can you could think of, Like, there's there's like a

2068
01:42:29,772 --> 01:42:32,853
Speaker 21: list of over five six hundred channels that are available.

2069
01:42:33,253 --> 01:42:37,053
Speaker 21: That's including all the Sky Sports one, Sky Movies, thing

2070
01:42:37,213 --> 01:42:40,812
Speaker 21: like Al Jazeera TV and anything you can think of.

2071
01:42:42,612 --> 01:42:45,253
Speaker 2: Are you having to pay your subscription on the Sky stuff?

2072
01:42:46,293 --> 01:42:48,333
Speaker 21: No, No, this is for some reason. I don't know

2073
01:42:48,333 --> 01:42:50,213
Speaker 21: how it's done. My cousins. I was up at my

2074
01:42:50,253 --> 01:42:53,213
Speaker 21: cousin's place about a month ago and he was showing

2075
01:42:53,333 --> 01:42:54,092
Speaker 21: me how it works.

2076
01:42:54,853 --> 01:42:56,532
Speaker 3: I just got to say, I mean, I don't know

2077
01:42:56,572 --> 01:42:58,692
Speaker 3: if this is legit, Steve. I imagine a lot of

2078
01:42:58,692 --> 01:43:00,772
Speaker 3: people are doing it, but if the cousin is hooking

2079
01:43:00,772 --> 01:43:03,452
Speaker 3: it up and doing some sort of deals online, granted

2080
01:43:03,492 --> 01:43:05,732
Speaker 3: you're paying a subscription, but I think it might be

2081
01:43:05,812 --> 01:43:07,852
Speaker 3: pretty close to the to the line of the law

2082
01:43:08,412 --> 01:43:09,052
Speaker 3: that situation.

2083
01:43:09,893 --> 01:43:12,973
Speaker 2: But you know, on the Amazon But there are so

2084
01:43:13,053 --> 01:43:15,732
Speaker 2: many free channels out there as well though, so so

2085
01:43:16,013 --> 01:43:18,852
Speaker 2: if you've got Samsung TV now this there is Samsung

2086
01:43:18,893 --> 01:43:22,013
Speaker 2: TV on a Samsung TV that just has hundreds and

2087
01:43:22,093 --> 01:43:25,492
Speaker 2: hundreds of channels, and it's actually quite annoying whenever I

2088
01:43:25,492 --> 01:43:26,973
Speaker 2: turn on my TV now because it's sit to the

2089
01:43:27,053 --> 01:43:29,652
Speaker 2: Nanny channel that just plays. I mean I've just got

2090
01:43:29,652 --> 01:43:32,253
Speaker 2: to get around to moving it. But currently the first

2091
01:43:32,293 --> 01:43:34,372
Speaker 2: thing I flick on when I'm trying to go to

2092
01:43:34,372 --> 01:43:37,492
Speaker 2: my MLB app as the TV turns on and it's

2093
01:43:37,532 --> 01:43:40,412
Speaker 2: just twenty four to seven Nanny.

2094
01:43:40,452 --> 01:43:43,572
Speaker 3: Well like a nanny cam or just like no, not anycam.

2095
01:43:43,293 --> 01:43:48,653
Speaker 2: Like out on your Fanny, then Nanny the nanny frendrisher,

2096
01:43:48,772 --> 01:43:51,372
Speaker 2: Oh good god, and that sort it out. That's a show.

2097
01:43:51,372 --> 01:43:55,213
Speaker 2: There's not aged well, I tell you, even fifteen seconds

2098
01:43:55,732 --> 01:43:57,692
Speaker 2: of the Nanny while you're trying to fire up the

2099
01:43:57,692 --> 01:44:00,052
Speaker 2: other app to watch something else. There's more than anyone

2100
01:44:00,093 --> 01:44:01,492
Speaker 2: needs to see in twenty twenty five.

2101
01:44:01,652 --> 01:44:03,732
Speaker 3: I can hear your voice now right, Oh, one hundred

2102
01:44:03,732 --> 01:44:05,652
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call love

2103
01:44:05,692 --> 01:44:08,612
Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts about linear tvd still watch and

2104
01:44:08,652 --> 01:44:10,932
Speaker 3: why twenty wonder four, the.

2105
01:44:11,013 --> 01:44:14,932
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything

2106
01:44:14,973 --> 01:44:18,612
Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons used talks.

2107
01:44:18,652 --> 01:44:20,812
Speaker 3: I'd be very good afternoon to you, and we aren't

2108
01:44:20,812 --> 01:44:23,972
Speaker 3: talking about the Sky TV deal. They've bought the three

2109
01:44:24,053 --> 01:44:27,612
Speaker 3: network for one dollar. Warner Brothers Discovery have sold it

2110
01:44:27,692 --> 01:44:30,692
Speaker 3: off and left the country, but it is good news

2111
01:44:30,772 --> 01:44:33,572
Speaker 3: for the people of New Zealand, arguably having a local

2112
01:44:33,612 --> 01:44:36,052
Speaker 3: operator takeover that linear TV network.

2113
01:44:36,452 --> 01:44:38,732
Speaker 2: This person says, my use for the TV for the

2114
01:44:38,772 --> 01:44:42,452
Speaker 2: majority of time is just start playing music and then

2115
01:44:42,532 --> 01:44:45,732
Speaker 2: switched the fireplace app. No time to watch programs and

2116
01:44:46,093 --> 01:44:50,613
Speaker 2: the mist gates. I can't understand what that's happening there. Yeah,

2117
01:44:50,652 --> 01:44:53,532
Speaker 2: but I'm a huge TV I'm a huge fan of

2118
01:44:54,213 --> 01:44:58,052
Speaker 2: watching of turning on a fireplace either the fireplace TV

2119
01:44:58,173 --> 01:45:01,612
Speaker 2: channel and Samsung TV has one of those, or there's

2120
01:45:01,612 --> 01:45:04,772
Speaker 2: plenty of plenty of people that film their fires around

2121
01:45:04,772 --> 01:45:06,812
Speaker 2: the world live and you can stream it on YouTube.

2122
01:45:06,853 --> 01:45:08,612
Speaker 3: And I laughed at you at the time, but o

2123
01:45:08,572 --> 01:45:11,852
Speaker 3: oh boy, the text machine let up. People love fire TV.

2124
01:45:12,013 --> 01:45:13,333
Speaker 3: Just a nice, beautiful fireplace.

2125
01:45:13,692 --> 01:45:17,412
Speaker 2: Seriously, with all these talks about television production and TV

2126
01:45:17,452 --> 01:45:19,772
Speaker 2: shows and what are you watching. If it's a cold

2127
01:45:19,812 --> 01:45:22,293
Speaker 2: winter's evening and you're and your and you're you know,

2128
01:45:22,333 --> 01:45:25,452
Speaker 2: making dinner or something, put on the fire channel. You

2129
01:45:25,612 --> 01:45:27,973
Speaker 2: have to turn on the heater as well, because the

2130
01:45:28,013 --> 01:45:31,412
Speaker 2: fire that the TV fireplace channel doesn't generat an your

2131
01:45:31,452 --> 01:45:34,052
Speaker 2: heat of its own, well, very minimal heat, not yet.

2132
01:45:35,772 --> 01:45:38,293
Speaker 2: But seriously, you hack your brain and you feel so

2133
01:45:38,532 --> 01:45:42,972
Speaker 2: cozy with just the fire going is real? Murray, welcome

2134
01:45:43,013 --> 01:45:43,412
Speaker 2: to the show.

2135
01:45:44,652 --> 01:45:45,532
Speaker 13: Can the fellas?

2136
01:45:45,572 --> 01:45:45,732
Speaker 11: Now?

2137
01:45:45,772 --> 01:45:47,572
Speaker 2: Are you bloody goods?

2138
01:45:49,333 --> 01:45:53,013
Speaker 13: Before I start? I'm a senior uh and I have

2139
01:45:55,293 --> 01:45:59,532
Speaker 13: U HF in the bedroom and Sky and the Lunge

2140
01:46:00,492 --> 01:46:03,973
Speaker 13: and the only program I want to see back on

2141
01:46:05,133 --> 01:46:09,892
Speaker 13: if they can, there's that three Fish program that they

2142
01:46:10,013 --> 01:46:13,053
Speaker 13: used to run in the morning with Bridge.

2143
01:46:14,532 --> 01:46:17,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's kind of bad. I've got I've got

2144
01:46:17,213 --> 01:46:20,852
Speaker 2: some good news for you, Murray. That the the basically well,

2145
01:46:20,933 --> 01:46:22,812
Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge is back in the morning with his own

2146
01:46:23,173 --> 01:46:26,412
Speaker 2: breakfast television show that you can stream live on at

2147
01:46:26,412 --> 01:46:29,412
Speaker 2: the Herald or you can stream it live on the YouTube.

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Speaker 21: I haven't got the internet, okay, well there's a blow

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01:46:36,333 --> 01:46:38,253
Speaker 21: to get Bridge vision in your house.

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01:46:38,293 --> 01:46:39,893
Speaker 2: You're going to have to get the internet. Do you

2151
01:46:39,933 --> 01:46:42,293
Speaker 2: reckon something you don't want to get the internet? You

2152
01:46:42,293 --> 01:46:44,372
Speaker 2: don't think someone could have you got a relation that

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01:46:44,412 --> 01:46:46,972
Speaker 2: could sort that out for you.

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01:46:46,973 --> 01:46:49,412
Speaker 13: No, I just don't want it. I just don't want it.

2155
01:46:50,372 --> 01:46:54,532
Speaker 13: Ration General on Sky and Racing General on UH fIF

2156
01:46:55,853 --> 01:46:59,293
Speaker 13: all the other programs I watch, I watch and the

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01:46:59,652 --> 01:47:04,452
Speaker 13: and the In the weekend, I watch six o'clock three News,

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01:47:04,772 --> 01:47:07,052
Speaker 13: then I switch it over to one and watch the news.

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01:47:08,213 --> 01:47:10,213
Speaker 2: You watch it the one hour? What is it the

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01:47:10,213 --> 01:47:12,213
Speaker 2: plus one hour thing?

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01:47:12,812 --> 01:47:17,452
Speaker 13: No nose. I watched sport, do lots of sport. See

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01:47:17,492 --> 01:47:19,093
Speaker 13: how they get on chat?

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01:47:19,173 --> 01:47:22,213
Speaker 3: All right, Well, Murray, you've got a decision to make.

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01:47:22,253 --> 01:47:24,092
Speaker 3: If you want Ryan Bridge, you've got to get the internet.

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Speaker 2: Get get someone, get murriyed. And I know he doesn't

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01:47:26,492 --> 01:47:28,452
Speaker 2: want it, but I think if we get Murray the Internet,

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01:47:28,572 --> 01:47:31,132
Speaker 2: he'll be He'll love it. It'll open up as world.

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01:47:31,293 --> 01:47:33,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fantastic thing, the Internet.

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01:47:33,173 --> 01:47:34,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's lots good stuff. There's lots of good stuff

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01:47:34,853 --> 01:47:36,612
Speaker 2: out there, and there's some bad stuff out there though, Murray,

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01:47:36,612 --> 01:47:37,932
Speaker 2: I could tell you on the internet, but there are

2172
01:47:38,253 --> 01:47:39,933
Speaker 2: some good stuff. And you sound like the kind of

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01:47:39,973 --> 01:47:42,652
Speaker 2: person that could be, you know, discerning and what you

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01:47:43,013 --> 01:47:44,372
Speaker 2: what you took from the internet.

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01:47:45,652 --> 01:47:48,852
Speaker 13: Yeah, I just you know, can't be bothered with it.

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01:47:48,893 --> 01:47:49,173
Speaker 22: Really.

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01:47:51,093 --> 01:47:53,053
Speaker 13: Yeah. I just love what I do.

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01:47:53,732 --> 01:47:56,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're if you're if you're if you're happy,

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01:47:56,933 --> 01:47:58,892
Speaker 2: then that's that's bloody great with what what you get.

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01:47:58,933 --> 01:48:01,652
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, though, if you want to get Ryan Bridge

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01:48:01,652 --> 01:48:04,012
Speaker 2: back on for a live breakfast show, that that only

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01:48:04,053 --> 01:48:05,492
Speaker 2: comes through the Internet. But thank you so much for

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01:48:05,492 --> 01:48:06,572
Speaker 2: you call Murray. Appreciate it.

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01:48:06,652 --> 01:48:08,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

2185
01:48:08,893 --> 01:48:11,692
Speaker 3: number to call. Some good texts coming.

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01:48:11,492 --> 01:48:13,452
Speaker 2: Through a surprising amount of people. I'd like to see

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01:48:13,652 --> 01:48:15,293
Speaker 2: the ratings. They must be out there are something on

2188
01:48:15,372 --> 01:48:18,532
Speaker 2: Parliament TV, because you know, the two things that have

2189
01:48:18,612 --> 01:48:24,052
Speaker 2: come up the most is NASCAR, Nascar and Parliament TV.

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01:48:25,013 --> 01:48:28,492
Speaker 2: And I mean, actually, sometimes when I'm listening to the

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01:48:28,572 --> 01:48:31,093
Speaker 2: mic co hosting breakfast, he'll admit that he's been watching

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01:48:31,093 --> 01:48:35,253
Speaker 2: Parliament TV. He loves it. Yeah, Jason Wolves, he watches

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01:48:35,293 --> 01:48:37,492
Speaker 2: Parliament TV. He's all about it. Barry Sober loves it.

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01:48:37,572 --> 01:48:40,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Jason Wolves is in Parliament he can see

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01:48:40,053 --> 01:48:42,892
Speaker 3: it firsthand. I'm just trying to find those figures on

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01:48:42,893 --> 01:48:44,253
Speaker 3: how many everyone spend.

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01:48:44,492 --> 01:48:46,772
Speaker 2: My dad watches a lot of Parliament TV. And if

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01:48:46,772 --> 01:48:49,213
Speaker 2: you watch Parliament TV, you have a very different idea

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Speaker 2: of the how competent politicians are. I've just looked up.

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01:48:53,772 --> 01:48:56,412
Speaker 3: Some quick numbers here, so apparently Parliament TV in New

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01:48:56,492 --> 01:48:59,293
Speaker 3: Zealand has a substantial audience, with eight hundred and ninety

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01:48:59,293 --> 01:49:02,253
Speaker 3: five thousand viewers reached over a six month period. How

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01:49:02,253 --> 01:49:04,852
Speaker 3: many eight hundred and ninety five thousand over six months.

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01:49:05,133 --> 01:49:07,652
Speaker 2: What are you doing in a ratings period? No one

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01:49:07,692 --> 01:49:09,213
Speaker 2: has a rating period of six months.

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01:49:09,253 --> 01:49:11,333
Speaker 3: I told you it was dubious. Well did I say dubious? Well,

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01:49:11,333 --> 01:49:13,973
Speaker 3: now you know in over six months? Well, do I

2208
01:49:13,973 --> 01:49:16,133
Speaker 3: admit now that this is how many?

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01:49:16,452 --> 01:49:19,452
Speaker 2: How many watching the average broadcast? Give me that information?

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01:49:19,572 --> 01:49:21,013
Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to come back to you on that.

2211
01:49:22,572 --> 01:49:25,372
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is when you look up ratings, now,

2212
01:49:25,612 --> 01:49:29,532
Speaker 2: there's always this. They fudge the numbers that's reached this. Yeah,

2213
01:49:29,732 --> 01:49:31,972
Speaker 2: it's it's across six months.

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01:49:31,973 --> 01:49:34,692
Speaker 3: That how many people are watching in a specific moment

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01:49:34,732 --> 01:49:36,732
Speaker 3: in time? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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01:49:36,772 --> 01:49:37,892
Speaker 3: the number to call?

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01:49:38,572 --> 01:49:41,053
Speaker 2: Is it worth getting this into web? Do you think

2218
01:49:41,053 --> 01:49:41,852
Speaker 2: it's going to last?

2219
01:49:41,933 --> 01:49:44,012
Speaker 3: Just a fair don't worry about it. It will be over soon.

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01:49:45,213 --> 01:49:47,533
Speaker 3: She will go to Mike just before we play some messages.

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01:49:48,253 --> 01:49:51,372
Speaker 2: Mike, your thoughts on TV?

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01:49:52,692 --> 01:49:55,732
Speaker 22: My thoughts on TV? I would I would like to

2223
01:49:55,732 --> 01:50:01,572
Speaker 22: see a lot of this reality TV bs just pushed

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01:50:01,612 --> 01:50:06,653
Speaker 22: by the side. We're just saturated in it and it's

2225
01:50:07,173 --> 01:50:11,293
Speaker 22: I don't point it entertain I really find it disturbing.

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01:50:11,412 --> 01:50:12,093
Speaker 2: Where are you seeing it?

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01:50:12,173 --> 01:50:16,372
Speaker 22: Mike one, two and three.

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01:50:16,732 --> 01:50:18,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because there's not. I mean, if you go

2229
01:50:18,772 --> 01:50:22,772
Speaker 2: to the streamers, your Netflix, yeah, your your Disney's, your

2230
01:50:23,093 --> 01:50:26,572
Speaker 2: your Neons, then you know you don't have to watch that.

2231
01:50:26,652 --> 01:50:30,213
Speaker 2: You can select select other stuff. But do you think

2232
01:50:31,013 --> 01:50:32,852
Speaker 2: do you watch you know there are some sort of

2233
01:50:32,933 --> 01:50:37,692
Speaker 2: quality sort of productions on the Oh, look I can't.

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01:50:37,853 --> 01:50:41,412
Speaker 22: I just cannot watch it below deck and then you've

2235
01:50:41,412 --> 01:50:46,972
Speaker 22: got ex Wives of Real Housewives X County, x Country and.

2236
01:50:46,933 --> 01:50:49,093
Speaker 3: It's married at first sight. Mike, you'd be a fan

2237
01:50:49,133 --> 01:50:49,293
Speaker 3: of that.

2238
01:50:49,853 --> 01:50:53,933
Speaker 22: Nor it's just people that like to be in the limelight.

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01:50:54,253 --> 01:50:57,133
Speaker 3: I'll tell you one that's a really good reality TV show, Mike,

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Speaker 3: I reckon, you'll like it. It's called Alone.

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01:50:58,652 --> 01:51:03,852
Speaker 2: Have you seen that Alone? Yeah? So they the concept

2242
01:51:04,013 --> 01:51:04,772
Speaker 2: is the reason.

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01:51:04,572 --> 01:51:06,093
Speaker 22: Why I would watch TV.

2244
01:51:08,412 --> 01:51:09,052
Speaker 12: TV show.

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01:51:09,093 --> 01:51:10,093
Speaker 2: No, you're going to love this one.

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01:51:10,093 --> 01:51:12,053
Speaker 3: They put a bunch of survivalists for people who think

2247
01:51:12,053 --> 01:51:15,012
Speaker 3: they've got survival skills and in the wilderness, and whoever

2248
01:51:15,133 --> 01:51:18,092
Speaker 3: lasts the longest gets to take home one hundred thousand

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01:51:18,093 --> 01:51:19,973
Speaker 3: dollars AUSSI or two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in

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Speaker 3: the US.

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01:51:20,452 --> 01:51:24,093
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Oh, what about have you ever watched If

2252
01:51:24,093 --> 01:51:25,692
Speaker 2: you ever watched task Master Mike.

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01:51:26,213 --> 01:51:28,012
Speaker 22: On TV two Master year.

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01:51:28,133 --> 01:51:31,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a that's a semi rally TV show

2255
01:51:31,173 --> 01:51:33,293
Speaker 2: in a wave. It's sort of a highbrid high quality.

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01:51:33,333 --> 01:51:39,372
Speaker 2: That's a great show. Yeah, what about It's okay, you're

2257
01:51:39,412 --> 01:51:41,732
Speaker 2: a hard man. What about the Casketeers? The Casketeers is

2258
01:51:41,772 --> 01:51:42,692
Speaker 2: a pretty good show, isn't it.

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01:51:42,973 --> 01:51:43,333
Speaker 17: No?

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01:51:43,333 --> 01:51:48,133
Speaker 22: No, I'm not a hard matind disturbing about you too.

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01:51:50,933 --> 01:51:52,972
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this. We've only got about ten

2262
01:51:52,973 --> 01:51:54,612
Speaker 2: minutes to go for it. What's that.

2263
01:51:56,173 --> 01:51:57,333
Speaker 22: Watching a fireplace?

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01:51:57,372 --> 01:51:59,852
Speaker 5: A try it?

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01:52:00,213 --> 01:52:03,652
Speaker 2: Try it, Mike. It's nearly as good as the real thing.

2266
01:52:03,692 --> 01:52:07,253
Speaker 2: Don't knock it to you. Try it. I've turned so

2267
01:52:07,293 --> 01:52:09,972
Speaker 2: many people onto the fire watching fireplaces on the TV.

2268
01:52:10,333 --> 01:52:12,012
Speaker 2: It lows me to say I gave it a crack

2269
01:52:12,053 --> 01:52:15,612
Speaker 2: and it was pretty good. There's something sort of primitive

2270
01:52:15,692 --> 01:52:19,772
Speaker 2: and it plays to your your ancestry. Give it a try.

2271
01:52:19,812 --> 01:52:21,572
Speaker 2: It is eleven and fall back in a month.

2272
01:52:22,612 --> 01:52:26,093
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2273
01:52:26,333 --> 01:52:30,093
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons US

2274
01:52:30,173 --> 01:52:30,812
Speaker 1: Talks B.

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01:52:31,452 --> 01:52:33,973
Speaker 3: News Talk z B. Welcome back into the program, and

2276
01:52:33,973 --> 01:52:35,213
Speaker 3: we're talking about linear TV.

2277
01:52:35,293 --> 01:52:36,013
Speaker 2: Sky TV is.

2278
01:52:36,013 --> 01:52:39,052
Speaker 3: Taking over the three networking to get your thoughts.

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01:52:39,053 --> 01:52:39,452
Speaker 14: Phil.

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01:52:40,853 --> 01:52:45,213
Speaker 5: Get I thought on the matte, how are you boys

2281
01:52:45,253 --> 01:52:45,692
Speaker 5: for stuff?

2282
01:52:46,013 --> 01:52:48,972
Speaker 2: Fantastic, amazing, excellent.

2283
01:52:49,053 --> 01:52:50,772
Speaker 5: I always feel I should ask.

2284
01:52:50,612 --> 01:52:52,652
Speaker 2: That nice polite of you, fell. I appreciate it.

2285
01:52:52,652 --> 01:52:57,213
Speaker 5: You're a good man, No worry, thank you would Well,

2286
01:52:57,333 --> 01:52:59,293
Speaker 5: just quickly for a start, it's going to be minus

2287
01:52:59,333 --> 01:53:02,253
Speaker 5: three here tonight and christ it so I don't think

2288
01:53:02,253 --> 01:53:04,532
Speaker 5: I'll be putting that fire wrap on the TV and

2289
01:53:04,572 --> 01:53:06,333
Speaker 5: watching it. I'll be right, I'll be light in the

2290
01:53:06,652 --> 01:53:07,732
Speaker 5: my actual old brunner.

2291
01:53:08,372 --> 01:53:11,572
Speaker 2: You're you're in a great position, and you know, if

2292
01:53:11,572 --> 01:53:13,372
Speaker 2: you've got a log burner, then that's always going to

2293
01:53:13,372 --> 01:53:17,253
Speaker 2: be better than watching the TV fire. It's always better.

2294
01:53:17,692 --> 01:53:19,692
Speaker 2: It's just for those of us that don't have the fire.

2295
01:53:20,853 --> 01:53:21,852
Speaker 22: Oh well, fair.

2296
01:53:21,772 --> 01:53:25,053
Speaker 5: Enough, I understand now. Just before I say that I

2297
01:53:25,412 --> 01:53:27,892
Speaker 5: watched the thing too, I missed what the meaning of

2298
01:53:28,452 --> 01:53:32,812
Speaker 5: the terrestrial meant. I heard the what can you explain

2299
01:53:32,853 --> 01:53:34,213
Speaker 5: it to me? Just before I go on.

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01:53:34,412 --> 01:53:36,572
Speaker 2: So terrestrial television was?

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01:53:36,973 --> 01:53:37,213
Speaker 6: It was?

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01:53:37,213 --> 01:53:41,772
Speaker 2: There's two descriptions. You can say, terrestrial television or linear television, right,

2303
01:53:42,173 --> 01:53:44,892
Speaker 2: and they're basically describing the same thing. But terrestrial television

2304
01:53:44,973 --> 01:53:47,692
Speaker 2: is the old way broadcast to you into your house.

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01:53:47,812 --> 01:53:51,173
Speaker 2: Rabbity is Aeriel, that kind of thing. But linear television

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01:53:51,253 --> 01:53:54,772
Speaker 2: just describes television that that plays it when it's on,

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01:53:55,452 --> 01:53:57,893
Speaker 2: and it plays ads, and it plays in order, and

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01:53:57,933 --> 01:54:00,132
Speaker 2: it just rolls through as opposed to a streaming platform

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01:54:00,133 --> 01:54:01,612
Speaker 2: where you can pick what you're going to watch at

2310
01:54:01,652 --> 01:54:04,812
Speaker 2: certain times and and you know the difference between say

2311
01:54:05,173 --> 01:54:07,452
Speaker 2: TV three and Netflix essentially.

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01:54:08,333 --> 01:54:12,372
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, excellent, excellent, Thank you for that. Yeah, I've

2313
01:54:12,412 --> 01:54:15,692
Speaker 5: got a smart TV with a lot of apps on it.

2314
01:54:15,812 --> 01:54:19,533
Speaker 5: That and I've got the Sky Sport now at.

2315
01:54:18,772 --> 01:54:21,093
Speaker 12: Just for the sport.

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01:54:20,893 --> 01:54:26,852
Speaker 5: But i still watch mostly the the well what i'd

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01:54:26,893 --> 01:54:31,213
Speaker 5: call plane TV, you know, your terrestrial or linear linear TV.

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01:54:31,333 --> 01:54:35,573
Speaker 5: I watched programs. I still find it even I've got

2319
01:54:35,613 --> 01:54:39,253
Speaker 5: all those options. Yeah, I still find quite happy watching

2320
01:54:39,293 --> 01:54:43,013
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff like the One News all going

2321
01:54:43,093 --> 01:54:46,013
Speaker 5: to be a bit sad here with Coronation Street, the

2322
01:54:46,053 --> 01:54:49,413
Speaker 5: Repair Shop and that. So, yeah, I mainly still view

2323
01:54:50,973 --> 01:54:55,173
Speaker 5: the linear TV, if that's the right term or that.

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01:54:55,213 --> 01:54:57,093
Speaker 5: When I've got even though I've got the options with

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01:54:57,173 --> 01:54:59,972
Speaker 5: the smart TV and the Sky Sport Now thing, I've

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01:55:00,973 --> 01:55:03,052
Speaker 5: selecting a lot of stuff, you know, if I wanted

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01:55:03,093 --> 01:55:05,812
Speaker 5: to with Netflix and stuff like that and all those apps.

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01:55:06,013 --> 01:55:08,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good on you, Phil, thank you for thank

2329
01:55:08,093 --> 01:55:10,253
Speaker 2: you for thank you for bringing and thank you for asking.

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01:55:10,333 --> 01:55:13,972
Speaker 2: How we are. We're amazing, very polite. Caine says, we

2331
01:55:13,973 --> 01:55:16,932
Speaker 2: were up in Canada last December January and on Netflix

2332
01:55:16,973 --> 01:55:18,932
Speaker 2: over the time, the whole time of the year. The

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01:55:18,973 --> 01:55:22,333
Speaker 2: Fireplace channel was number one on the Netflix charts in

2334
01:55:22,373 --> 01:55:25,012
Speaker 2: Canada the whole time that we're there. Yeah, that makes

2335
01:55:25,053 --> 01:55:25,892
Speaker 2: sense in Canada.

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01:55:26,293 --> 01:55:28,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I thought there was a load of nonsense,

2337
01:55:28,093 --> 01:55:29,933
Speaker 3: so I looked it up and he's bang on. It

2338
01:55:30,093 --> 01:55:33,012
Speaker 3: was the top spot on Netflix in Canada this year,

2339
01:55:33,293 --> 01:55:35,772
Speaker 3: and not only Canada. You're a trendsetter, mate. It loads

2340
01:55:35,812 --> 01:55:37,493
Speaker 3: me to say that, but it was the number one

2341
01:55:37,533 --> 01:55:40,613
Speaker 3: show in the UK as well and number.

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01:55:40,333 --> 01:55:43,213
Speaker 2: Two in the US, the freaking Fireplace show. Well, how

2343
01:55:43,213 --> 01:55:45,733
Speaker 2: about that's, fellas, I've taken fire TV to the next level.

2344
01:55:45,733 --> 01:55:50,653
Speaker 2: Try log Cabin Fireplace Rain on YouTube. Yeah yeah, I

2345
01:55:50,693 --> 01:55:52,213
Speaker 2: watched some of those and you can just set up

2346
01:55:52,213 --> 01:55:55,172
Speaker 2: a little campfire as well. It's beautiful.

2347
01:55:55,533 --> 01:55:58,213
Speaker 3: Oh good times, going back to going back to the

2348
01:55:58,253 --> 01:55:58,972
Speaker 3: caveman days.

2349
01:55:59,053 --> 01:56:00,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go, all right.

2350
01:56:00,253 --> 01:56:02,892
Speaker 3: Good discussion. Thank you very much for all your take calls.

2351
01:56:02,973 --> 01:56:05,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, thank you so much for your great new Zealanders,

2352
01:56:05,613 --> 01:56:08,092
Speaker 2: for the listening to the show over the last jeesus

2353
01:56:08,533 --> 01:56:10,972
Speaker 2: four hours. Holy molly, it went so fast, And thank

2354
01:56:11,013 --> 01:56:13,613
Speaker 2: you so much for all your calls and texts. The

2355
01:56:13,613 --> 01:56:15,812
Speaker 2: metin Tile Afternoons podcast will be out in about an hour.

2356
01:56:15,893 --> 01:56:18,972
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2357
01:56:19,093 --> 01:56:23,333
Speaker 2: banning employment contracts from banning you from blathering onto your workmounts,

2358
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2359
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Speaker 2: The Great and Powerful here the duples Ellen is up next.

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Speaker 2: But right now, Tyler, my good friend, why am I

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Speaker 2: playing the song by David Bowie right now? Latitude Fashion?

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Speaker 3: Of course, we were talking about fast fashion for a

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Speaker 3: in did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that one hard?

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Speaker 22: Was it?

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Speaker 15: Now?

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Speaker 2: Wasn't hard? Thanks for listening everyone, See tomorrow, Harvo. Until then,

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Speaker 2: give a taste of Key.

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Speaker 20: We love you, Manheathan Tyler Adams.

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