WEBVTT - Winston Peters: "Protesters give us something to push back on"

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News talks'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Be Winston Peters has just recently wrapped up a State

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<v Speaker 2>of the Nation speech and there were well, he covered

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of ground, everything from having a crack at

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<v Speaker 2>the protests as the economy, co governance and the war

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<v Speaker 2>on woke and he had a good crack at labor

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<v Speaker 2>in their record, as well as talking about Paris climate commitments.

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<v Speaker 2>So I won't try and sum up the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the focuses were of course New Zealand's place

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<v Speaker 2>in the world as well. He called for re evaluations

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<v Speaker 2>of our Paris climate commitments and focusing on our own

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<v Speaker 2>country compared to what we're seeing internationally in New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 2>First Leader Winston Peters is with me now, Good afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>Good afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you love a good protest? What was what was

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<v Speaker 2>that like?

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<v Speaker 1>Look? What matter was that we packed the place and

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<v Speaker 1>some couldn't get in and then there were some protests outside.

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<v Speaker 1>But before the expected that and we made sure that

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't going to win in terms of a democratically

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<v Speaker 1>lawful meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a part of you that, just as a politician,

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<v Speaker 2>when you see those protests. It sort of gives you

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a launching pad, something to push back

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<v Speaker 2>on to get cracking with your speech. So sort of

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<v Speaker 2>is there a part of you that's sort of like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh good, let's get into these guys no more.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Oh, you're quite right. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I said, it's like Elvis the Stamos trouble. You've

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<v Speaker 1>come to the right place.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you want people to take from your speech?

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<v Speaker 2>You did? You went into It was a lengthy speech,

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<v Speaker 2>covering a lot of ground. I noticed that the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing was you really wanted to put labor in their

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<v Speaker 2>places to maybe do you feel some frustration that they

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<v Speaker 2>are doing so well on the polls despite, as you

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<v Speaker 2>would say, being the author of our misfortunes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the reality is that getting away with a lie.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, in the months before the Polly three election,

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<v Speaker 1>they put out a forecast back by a treasury that

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<v Speaker 1>was a litany of lies. And we've proven that, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's taken all this time to turn the economy from

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<v Speaker 1>recession into recovery. And that's why we are looking at

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<v Speaker 1>a gross now of almost three percent as we're in

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<v Speaker 1>the session. As a consequence of their policies which takes

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<v Speaker 1>a long time to turn around, but turn around we have.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's what I was trying to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>the positive things and the need to sw some really

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<v Speaker 1>a reserved reaction to international circumstances, to read things right

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<v Speaker 1>and ensure that whatever their outcome is and that New

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<v Speaker 1>Zealand does extraordinary well at a time of great change

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<v Speaker 1>but also great potential opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel frustrated that a lot of sort of

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<v Speaker 2>thrown on the current government. Of course you have been

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<v Speaker 2>in powerful a little bit now, but there's the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>for the problems that you're facing are sort of ignored.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we do feel that way, but also we're not

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<v Speaker 1>so concerned about the mainstream media in this context. We've

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<v Speaker 1>out there and we're going to gang buses on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>We have barely started yet. But these sorts of meetings

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<v Speaker 1>where you've packed the place a wall to war, where

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<v Speaker 1>they equity until after all at last year when they

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<v Speaker 1>had their meeting there, that tells me that we're on

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<v Speaker 1>the right track.

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<v Speaker 2>What about the Paris climate commitments, it does seem that

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<v Speaker 2>there are some moves to step away from that, given

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of money that we're going to have to pay.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you think we're going to go with Paris?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm asking for reevaluation and logic. I've set out

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<v Speaker 1>the four nations where they are most sexty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the problem. If that is a problem, and we're only

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<v Speaker 1>point one seven percent of the situation, so what can

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<v Speaker 1>we actually do? And what's at risk is a trend

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<v Speaker 1>through of twenty two billion plus to foreign economies in

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<v Speaker 1>an endeavor to solve this problem, which will be disasters

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<v Speaker 1>for the even and will not help the problem at all.

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<v Speaker 1>We say, refocus this money on our own investments, our

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<v Speaker 1>own economy and the defeating pollution and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Backing is but the last thing we can afford to

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<v Speaker 1>do is to have this glorified ideological position that's not

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<v Speaker 1>working and at the same time being destroy so much

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<v Speaker 1>for our provincial economy. A wake up court that I

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<v Speaker 1>renewed after magnetic statement months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that we get I think you alluded

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<v Speaker 2>to this in your speech, that we get a bit

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<v Speaker 2>distracted by a lot of things that are happening internationally.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we have the Trump presidency and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of uncertainty that do you think that that confuses us

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<v Speaker 2>as to how we just stick to our own netting

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<v Speaker 2>and how we might forge our own way ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, precisely what you just said is the sounds advice

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<v Speaker 1>for our country, But of course there is that propensity

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<v Speaker 1>to jump to conclusions rush often make comment which could

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<v Speaker 1>damage us internationally, and that's not the way to go

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<v Speaker 1>in these very difficult times.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you won't be sharing much information with

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<v Speaker 2>us until you've spoken with your cabinet colleagues about your

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with Marco Rubio, But I guess what's your vibe

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<v Speaker 2>on our relationship with the new administration.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we've put a lot of work into it, months

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<v Speaker 1>and months of work and conversations face to face to

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<v Speaker 1>and they were very, very positive, and so we've got

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<v Speaker 1>something to look forward to. If there are things that

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we will await developments on, but as we now stand,

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<v Speaker 1>things that are in a much better position than they

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<v Speaker 1>were before we went to the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we need moving on to issues like provincial growth

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<v Speaker 2>and resource extraction? And you've talked about how we must

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<v Speaker 2>fully develop our natural resources. Do we need to Are

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<v Speaker 2>you talking about having particular ledge sort of change to

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<v Speaker 2>make it easier for us to do that, or is

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<v Speaker 2>it simply talking about the direction the government needs to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to take.

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<v Speaker 1>No, precisely, We've got to have a better set of change.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to get out of the way of progress.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked them to look around the room that we

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<v Speaker 1>were in. Ninety six percent of it is extraction or

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<v Speaker 1>mining and using our own natural flora, that's forests and waters.

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<v Speaker 1>We have got to stop our potential recovery because of

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<v Speaker 1>both work obstructive policies and interference in the economic future

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<v Speaker 1>of our country, which so many people depend upon for

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<v Speaker 1>a better future. We just have got a look at

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<v Speaker 1>countries that are going gang buses doing what we're advocating

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<v Speaker 1>and making so much progress, whereas we have been dragging

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<v Speaker 1>the chain, and in the end, not of our planning

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<v Speaker 1>laws have become so out of date that they have

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<v Speaker 1>to be utterly re examined.

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<v Speaker 2>Just one which might be seen as more controversial. You've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about fluoridation and arguing about the rights of counsels

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<v Speaker 2>to make these decisions. Whereas central government does make a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of decisions for people, such as our smoking regulations

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<v Speaker 2>and all sorts of public health decisions, why would that

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<v Speaker 2>decision be best left with counsels.

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<v Speaker 1>Because for decades, in all my life, the local council

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<v Speaker 1>had the right to have a decision made by their

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<v Speaker 1>rate beayers on those matters. It's not about whether you're

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<v Speaker 1>for or against FLY, it's whether you're against for democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>and they, the Labor Party, just changed the law with

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous punishment, including imprisonment for local government members who

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<v Speaker 1>could want to have a democratic decision made by their

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<v Speaker 1>own voters before they decided. It's pretty basic why that

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<v Speaker 1>should be such a horotic, horrific outcome. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>what do.

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<v Speaker 2>You reckon our chances are of avoiding some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>tariff when it comes to the States.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be, as I put it, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be uncautious about this. But we've done

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<v Speaker 1>our best and we'll go on doing our best to

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<v Speaker 1>ensure that we come out of this on the right side.

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<v Speaker 1>And of that I am confident.

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<v Speaker 2>Winston Peters, I really thank you for your time this afternoon.

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