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Speaker 5: Hello on the Front put back with you.
Speaker 4: What's up this week? Well?
Speaker 5: A share in an upcoming MLC venture an unnamed team,
Speaker 5: no venue? Is it a risky business venture or possible
Speaker 5: financial windfall of front? A New Zealand game, sad to
Speaker 5: hear the passing of Keith Stackpole, aged eighty four men
Speaker 5: who I call a likable Australian because he was a
Speaker 5: very friendly man, but he possessed a lethal blade when
Speaker 5: he played. And plans for the New Zealand a squad
Speaker 5: in Bangladesh. What do they want to achieve? Colin Munroe
Speaker 5: getting upside too with umpires in the Prakistan League. But
Speaker 5: some interesting cricket points to talk about this week, and
Speaker 5: I've invited along two of my financial experts to help
Speaker 5: me in this adventure that New Zealand cricket game for
Speaker 5: Jeremy Coney with a fist of shares in every major
Speaker 5: company the world over, and Peter Holland who sold them
Speaker 5: to him, have how along to day to help me
Speaker 5: decide what is going on? Do you think we can
Speaker 5: sort this issue out? Guys? Just a quick one before
Speaker 5: we explain what it is. How do you feel about
Speaker 5: the venture idea?
Speaker 4: Jerry Mixed. Don't know enough about what the what the
Speaker 4: contract actually is at the moment. I don't even are
Speaker 4: they paying money for it?
Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing that I think has to be determined.
Speaker 3: What about you most it is something of a dilemma
Speaker 3: for ENZIDC. Do you sit on your hands do nothing
Speaker 3: or do you look to expand your operations in your
Speaker 3: and your business? It's it's it's a it's a question companies, businesses,
Speaker 3: organizations are frequently faced with and and INSC along with others.
Speaker 3: Is a is it a really difficult phase now, particularly
Speaker 3: with the proliferation of this franchise cricket. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: on the fence each way, but but I do have
Speaker 3: some views around what I've picked up and can glean.
Speaker 3: So we can talk about that a bit later.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll talk about that in the moment. Just explain
Speaker 5: what it is for those who may have missed it.
Speaker 5: I don't know where you've been if you have, but
Speaker 5: it's been in the news. But Cricket has agreed terms
Speaker 5: with the American company True North Sports Ventures to launch
Speaker 5: a new Major Cricket League franchise and that's to debut
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty seven. So we don't know what it's
Speaker 5: going to be called, where it's going to be based.
Speaker 5: The MLC Major League Cricket founders co founders Samir Matter
Speaker 5: and VJ. Sheron of Arsen are the majority owners of
Speaker 5: entities which hold exclusive rights to own and operate to
Speaker 5: MLC expansion franchises. There's a lot of words, isn't it,
Speaker 5: The first of which will be launched by TNS and
Speaker 5: twenty twenty seven. Now, this guy Trinavasen owns the television
Speaker 5: company that or is the chief executive of the television company.
Speaker 4: That is going to show all this game.
Speaker 5: Firstly, it's here from Cricket Chief executive Scott weeningk on
Speaker 5: this bold announcement through the week.
Speaker 6: What it does mean for Jilling cricket is that gives
Speaker 6: us an opportunity to continue to be innovative just as
Speaker 6: we are on the field, but also innovative off the
Speaker 6: field by looking for new opportunities to grow our revenue
Speaker 6: streams and diversify our revenue streams. Yes, so what we'll
Speaker 6: be doing is partnering with the founders of Major League
Speaker 6: Cricket to essentially provide the high performance services to one
Speaker 6: of their new franchises. We'll also have an opportunity to
Speaker 6: invest in that franchise as well, you know, take an
Speaker 6: equity stake. But for our high performance team it you know,
Speaker 6: it means that there's a pathway for both players, coaches, managers,
Speaker 6: strength and conditioning experts, physios to actually do some work
Speaker 6: in franchise cricket in another part.
Speaker 3: Of the world.
Speaker 6: We see this as a huge opportunity for these young
Speaker 6: cricket network as a whole. Players and coaches and the
Speaker 6: major associations will also be able to take advantage of
Speaker 6: the opportunities that this is going to create for our
Speaker 6: cricket network.
Speaker 5: So seen as a bold announcements, innovative move by some others,
Speaker 5: a risky venture, Jerry says it's hard to know at
Speaker 5: the moment what it will entail. It's nice to think
Speaker 5: that New Zealand Cricket may be able to generate revenue
Speaker 5: from this jerry, but is there a risk involved and
Speaker 5: what's it going to cost that I think of the
Speaker 5: things that we need to consider at the moment, isn't
Speaker 5: it Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think. Look, I'm not a necessor of whether an
Speaker 4: investment is a sound one or not. That's more Moose's business, really,
Speaker 4: But I do wonder if a sports team is a
Speaker 4: reliable investment or not. It depends how good they are,
Speaker 4: I guess. And as you pointed out, there are no
Speaker 4: players yet, there are no coaches, there's no ground, there's
Speaker 4: no games for this team, and you know there are
Speaker 4: no fans to follow them and go along and watch
Speaker 4: them and pay some money for it. So it feels
Speaker 4: that at this stage you just don't know quite what
Speaker 4: to say from a cricket perspective rather than investment one.
Speaker 4: You know, if New Zealand are offering players and a
Speaker 4: place for coaches to go and a place for management
Speaker 4: to go and high performance they've talked about and as
Speaker 4: he mentions, a seven figure sum there, so that's between
Speaker 4: one and nine million, isn't it Can New Zealand Cricket
Speaker 4: afford that? Is sport the right place to put the money. Anyway,
Speaker 4: if they want to diversify a bit their revenue stream,
Speaker 4: it would be disappointing to me if New Zealand Cricket cut,
Speaker 4: for example, a competition in order to pay for this,
Speaker 4: like say the Under seventeens or an a tour or
Speaker 4: the Hawk Cup, in order to lower domestic costs to
Speaker 4: enable it, that would be a disappointment if their development things.
Speaker 5: Most there's an element of risk in anything you do,
Speaker 5: isn't there in terms of talking finance, and I guess
Speaker 5: New Zealand crickets response onsibility is to foster and develop
Speaker 5: the game in New Zealand, and as Jerry says, run
Speaker 5: these competitions and fund them. And we don't know whether
Speaker 5: any of them are going to be a cut because
Speaker 5: of that. But I suppose, as you say, we have
Speaker 5: to look for other ways to finance the game because
Speaker 5: the ic C quite clearly through television rights and not
Speaker 5: going to fund it the same way as they have
Speaker 5: in the past.
Speaker 3: I heard an interesting interview with Scott Weene which which
Speaker 3: clarified in my minds now again you haven't seen fine
Speaker 3: print around what this. The use of the word investment
Speaker 3: seems to be somewhat jumbled, because investment implies we're putting
Speaker 3: some version of capital into an entity. The seven figures
Speaker 3: that when it was discussing, was a remuneration for the
Speaker 3: delivery of a high performance program for this team, for
Speaker 3: which they would be they would be paid. So this
Speaker 3: is not players. This was coaches, psykes, physios, essentially the
Speaker 3: infrastructure in setting up a franchise club for which they'll
Speaker 3: have to do anyway. But INSI see, will deliver the
Speaker 3: intellectual property and therefore the people around that, as I said,
Speaker 3: not players for which they will receive compensation remuneration. I
Speaker 3: understand that they've actually getted some sort of option to
Speaker 3: invest into the franchise, which seems to make some sense.
Speaker 3: Now one can invest into that. So say, for instance,
Speaker 3: the seven figure fund for fund for the setting up
Speaker 3: of this business and supplying of coaches, pikes, physios, etc.
Speaker 3: We'll say five million. What they could easily do is say, well,
Speaker 3: I'll take three and a half, but i'll leave one
Speaker 3: and a half in the bin, for which I will
Speaker 3: be given in inequity share in other words, it's the
Speaker 3: phrase used for that as an earning or otherwise known
Speaker 3: as sweet equity. In other words, I've worked for it,
Speaker 3: so I leave that in the business. So it may
Speaker 3: be that in terms of, you know, in banker terms,
Speaker 3: it's a cash neutral. They're not actually putting money in,
Speaker 3: but they are getting to their revenue line. In my
Speaker 3: example here three and a half million or what they
Speaker 3: could elect to take the lot the fight, in which
Speaker 3: case that would be reinvested into the end zen cricket.
Speaker 3: In other words, what they're doing, what they're implying when
Speaker 3: it was implying, was we get our revenue streams as
Speaker 3: they currently are. But this is another way to boost
Speaker 3: what cash in the coffers by supplying and delivering talent
Speaker 3: in the form that we just described to this franchise.
Speaker 3: The other thing that strikes me about this is that
Speaker 3: I'll compete with other franchises. It seems to be very
Speaker 3: well capitalized and others. There seems to be a lot
Speaker 3: of cash in behind this the MLC as it is,
Speaker 3: So if you're going to go into something, you might
Speaker 3: as well go where the money is, and that may
Speaker 3: have some benefits. Bearing in mind that the MLC has
Speaker 3: also played out of season for US, so that works
Speaker 3: as well. So it shouldn't interfere with a lot of
Speaker 3: what cricket delivers during our summer long and lengthy. But
Speaker 3: I hopefully that sort of breaks it down a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. I mean, it's certainly a good time
Speaker 4: for Indian viewing in America. Those two guys that Wats
Speaker 4: mentioned they actually own is it Willow TV, which is
Speaker 4: going to show this and stream us. Four of the
Speaker 4: six sides at the moment are owned by the IPL.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a Los Angeles Night Riders, you can
Speaker 4: tell where that comes from. There's the Mumbai Indian New
Speaker 4: York who won it last year. You know where that
Speaker 4: comes from. There's the Seattle Orcs which is owned by
Speaker 4: GMR Group. They own the Delhi Capitals, and there's the
Speaker 4: Super Kings as well. And the Washington Freedom. Actually you're
Speaker 4: talking about Talent Mos. Sanjay Goval owns them. He's an
Speaker 4: Indian American businessman and they have a New South Wales
Speaker 4: as their performance partner. They provide the same sorts of
Speaker 4: things you are talking about for the Washington Freedom. Another side,
Speaker 4: so it could.
Speaker 3: Be Victoria similarly has an arrangement somewhere in there in
Speaker 3: this as well. So Victoria and New South Wales seem
Speaker 3: to be providing similar type of services.
Speaker 5: So that's not a national body, is it, which is
Speaker 5: slightly different?
Speaker 3: No, not completely, but yeah, I guess that's an example
Speaker 3: of it. So perhaps there's some piggybacking on what New
Speaker 3: South Wales are doing, so that perhaps has some merit.
Speaker 3: So we're not it's always good to be a follower
Speaker 3: rather than the first in there and in case you
Speaker 3: get a bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or New South Wales is the venue that Neil
Speaker 5: Maxwell is involved in, and he's involved in the development
Speaker 5: of a number of these programs, the World Cricket Association,
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera. I mean there's so many of
Speaker 5: them developing now. The interesting thing that Scott Winning said
Speaker 5: in the press releases, as franchise cricket grows globally, New
Speaker 5: Zealand Cricket needs to adapt to seize strategic opportunities that
Speaker 5: ensure the sustainability of our cricket network. This helps to
Speaker 5: diversify our revenue streams, expands our global brand and fan base,
Speaker 5: and creates new talent development and retention pathways for both
Speaker 5: our players and coaches. A word salad really, isn't it?
Speaker 5: But is that something that you know we have to
Speaker 5: the fan base? I mean, how will New Zealanders log
Speaker 5: on to this unnamed team? Will they become part of
Speaker 5: the fan base or will we be relying on American
Speaker 5: fan base, Indians who live in the United States or
Speaker 5: West Indians who live in that part of the world.
Speaker 5: The other things that I suppose are extra add on,
Speaker 5: don't they, Jerry. Whether or not it's going to generate
Speaker 5: revenue is in the lap of the gods.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm not going to follow this team Wads because
Speaker 4: there's a New Zealand coach or a New Zealand physio
Speaker 4: or and you know, I'm just not going.
Speaker 5: To do that.
Speaker 4: What you tend to follow as the players, don't you?
Speaker 4: There the factors. Look at the moment, the rules of
Speaker 4: this competition say there are nine overseas players allowed per side.
Speaker 4: Now the New Zealand can't expect to get all of
Speaker 4: those nine. They might get four, maybe five, but you
Speaker 4: wouldn't think it'd be much more than that. You're not
Speaker 4: going to write off all the other players around the world,
Speaker 4: are you? I think the other thing for me is
Speaker 4: there are now over fifty men's and women's franchises tournaments
Speaker 4: operating around the world. Fifty three I think it is now.
Speaker 4: Even if it's an extraordinary number, if only two thirds
Speaker 4: of that number is correct, it's still a lot. Now.
Speaker 4: The MLC at this stage is a fledgling tournament. It's
Speaker 4: only been going since twenty twenty three. As I mentioned,
Speaker 4: as six sides competing. Now, the US are keenon sport. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but they already have their own bat and ball game,
Speaker 4: don't they. Let's not forget that. But despite all the diaspora,
Speaker 4: which is all those West Indians and the Indians there
Speaker 4: and the Pakistani's there where cricket is important, it's very
Speaker 4: much cricket a probation of sport over in the US.
Speaker 4: You know, there isn't the lega, see the knowledge, the
Speaker 4: love of the game that you get. For example, in India,
Speaker 4: they won't have people lining up to play or to watch,
Speaker 4: you know, the young won't be lying in their beds
Speaker 4: dreaming about this, to follow this. It's not India or
Speaker 4: the IPL where it's become a very tribal kind of thing,
Speaker 4: you know, just where they go and follow their team.
Speaker 4: They go to their ground. They have all their their merchandise.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like soccer is in England. So I
Speaker 4: think this tournament is going to take some time if
Speaker 4: it lasts, and very astute management, I would have thought.
Speaker 4: To grow the interest and the development of the game
Speaker 4: of a fan base, you need to be very proactive
Speaker 4: on the social I have good pricing all those kinds
Speaker 4: of things. The next thing is you've mentioned Brian is
Speaker 4: a venue and an infrastructure. I mean these six sides
Speaker 4: last year have two grounds that they play on. Two
Speaker 4: grounds of the six. They have the Grand Prairie Stadium
Speaker 4: in Dallas, Texas. They have Church Street Park in North Carolina, Morrisville.
Speaker 4: The first eight games were played in Dallas, the next
Speaker 4: seven were played in North Carolina and then back to Dallas.
Speaker 4: So you're traveling all the time. If you're a follower,
Speaker 4: you'd have to travel to watch your team or watch
Speaker 4: it on the telly, of course. But you know they're
Speaker 4: getting some names. Let's be fair, Mummins is going there
Speaker 4: and this next one, Travis Head is there, Steve Smith
Speaker 4: is there. So the Aussies are coming. So that's fine,
Speaker 4: that's fine, and I can certainly see a bonus for
Speaker 4: Scott Wiener and those who are negotiating for New Zealand
Speaker 4: Cricket when it comes to contract time with our players.
Speaker 4: At the moment, the pay for play for New Zealand
Speaker 4: is nowhere near any franchise offer that the players get.
Speaker 4: And all enz C can do really is to those
Speaker 4: players is to say, well, it's for your country, it's
Speaker 4: the heritage, it's where you come from and you play internationals. Now.
Speaker 4: You know now if they have this operation, there's more negotiation,
Speaker 4: isn't there. You're getting your contract, plus you might get
Speaker 4: a place in the Atlanta ard Varks or you might
Speaker 4: be in the Toronto Termites, and they'll have a place
Speaker 4: also for coaches and for management. So I can see
Speaker 4: some bonuses, some merits, but there are also I think
Speaker 4: some downside. It clashes with the Sri Lankan League. We've
Speaker 4: already got players there. It clashes with the first part
Speaker 4: of the hundred, so there'll be players who are going
Speaker 4: they'll have to go late to the hundred as well.
Speaker 4: Once every four years we go to England in July
Speaker 4: and that's when this tournament is played, so lesser players
Speaker 4: would be offered. I guess at that time, or we'd
Speaker 4: have lesser players in the New Zealand side.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's some of the drawbacks that I guess will
Speaker 5: have to be investigated over a couple of years. Well,
Speaker 5: it's going to have to be done over a couple
Speaker 5: of years. Twenty twenty seven is when it first comes forward.
Speaker 5: And my other worry, Peter Holland, is one, will we
Speaker 5: have to pay Donald Trump's tariffs? Your political knows would
Speaker 5: have been in that snout, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3: I suspect that that that's probably not not in the
Speaker 3: on the Trump's des radar.
Speaker 4: It won't be on the list, just on that point.
Speaker 3: Around grounds, I did some digging and somewhere I found
Speaker 3: or heard that ten new grounds. I talked about this
Speaker 3: being backed by a lot of people with capital, ten
Speaker 3: new grounds are apparently being planned to be built now.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the timing is, so they are
Speaker 3: clearly aware of the constraints that you were talking about, Jerry.
Speaker 3: What I understood is that the MLC is the league
Speaker 3: where the ten six growing to ten teams is, but
Speaker 3: underneath there is a minor league where I gather there's
Speaker 3: something like twenty six teams which will support that. So
Speaker 3: In other words, I think they're trying to grow the game.
Speaker 3: Bearing in mind that cricket now is in the Olympics
Speaker 3: coming up, so they therefore in America obviously get automatic
Speaker 3: entry because being the host to the Olympics. So there's
Speaker 3: I can sort of see where things are happening, but
Speaker 3: I guess it's going to be quite fluid and a
Speaker 3: bit of a moving target. But I think where I
Speaker 3: land is if it means that an insit cricket is
Speaker 3: going to get some cash coming in the door three
Speaker 3: four five million a year, that can only be a
Speaker 3: good thing and provides opportunity to develop the infrastructure and
Speaker 3: the intellectual property that we have for our coaches, our curators,
Speaker 3: all those sort of people. I think it's only a
Speaker 3: good thing.
Speaker 5: And doesn't put tournaments that we've run now at risk,
Speaker 5: and that's fair enough. I quite agree with you.
Speaker 4: I agree with all that too.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 5: So it's going to be something interesting that we'll be
Speaker 5: watching very closely over a period of time. Twenty twenty
Speaker 5: seven when it comes to sort of cricket teams out
Speaker 5: and new competitions is not that far away. And I'm
Speaker 5: sure he's yelling cricket will have a lot more to say,
Speaker 5: just a quick one because I was going to talk
Speaker 5: or try and talk to the Wisdom editor this week,
Speaker 5: but I'll have to try and chase him down. But
Speaker 5: the latest edition of The Wisdom Orban Act the Cricketer's Bible,
Speaker 5: Lawrence Booth, the editor, says the World Test Championship is
Speaker 5: a shambles masquerading as a show piece. And he's also
Speaker 5: questioned Jay Shar's promotion from Board of Control of Cricket
Speaker 5: and India Secretary to the Chairman of the ICC. And
Speaker 5: Lawrence Booth has turned his attention to the World Test
Speaker 5: Championship and it's something we can discuss next week. But
Speaker 5: it's interesting that he has really I mean, they're strong
Speaker 5: words masquerading as a show piece. I tend to agree
Speaker 5: with them, do you, I do.
Speaker 4: Well, it's a poor tournament, isn't it. Yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 4: teams playing different numbers of games, teams playing some teams
Speaker 4: and not others. Two Test match series, they're not really series.
Speaker 4: They're a bit of a nonsense. We all know that
Speaker 4: if they go to three day tests, which I think
Speaker 4: which is what Lawrence Booth was talking about, will that
Speaker 4: mean four day tests that's a question that I have
Speaker 4: in the back of my mind to get those through.
Speaker 4: But Test cricket's been great in the last few years,
Speaker 4: hasn't it. I mean, we've got we've got to admit that.
Speaker 4: I mean, actually you could argue it deserves some more
Speaker 4: attention that it's getting. I remember that South African that
Speaker 4: weak side that came here, that South Africa actually have
Speaker 4: got no tests in their season coming up at home. None.
Speaker 4: Not not South Africa's fault at all. It's the big
Speaker 4: three wanting to play each other and not wanting to
Speaker 4: play the smaller sides Test champions. Well, how are India?
Speaker 4: I mean, India are not going to play Pakistan and
Speaker 4: tests are they? They're just not going to play them.
Speaker 4: And in that case, in that case, yeah, give the
Speaker 4: points to Pakistan. I mean, that's that's the problem. You see,
Speaker 4: no one is really challenging Pakistan, not even England and
Speaker 4: Australia that they're they're not. And what we've got was
Speaker 4: Shah going into the ic C chairman to me is
Speaker 4: cementing an inequitable, already inequitable situation. So it's a very
Speaker 4: haphazard kind of system I think for for the Test championship.
Speaker 3: That said, I'd rather there was a championship, a competition
Speaker 3: of sorts. Ye, it's with its weaknesses, but at least
Speaker 3: in some way, shape or form, test matches have a
Speaker 3: little bit of meaning. So if we do quite well,
Speaker 3: then there's a chance of us playing in a in
Speaker 3: a in a championship. I just would hope that the
Speaker 3: administrators are brave enough to acknowledge that in fact, with
Speaker 3: some with some tweaks, it could actually be really really interesting.
Speaker 3: And I know that in New Zealand our test matches
Speaker 3: this past season were pretty much sold out.
Speaker 5: What does that say, Well, there's a popularity there. That's
Speaker 5: that we don't get big numbers, of course, but the
Speaker 5: popularity and people love the game. You know, England send
Speaker 5: their barmie army out here, so it's something that you know.
Speaker 5: I want to discuss with Lawrence Booth. He spoke to
Speaker 5: us last year, remember when the Wisdom came out. So
Speaker 5: I'll get a touch with him in the middle of
Speaker 5: the night while I'm watching domestic cricket in England on
Speaker 5: the television. Jerry and if he's prepared to join us.
Speaker 4: I got to say.
Speaker 5: One of his best lines was and I love this
Speaker 5: line talking about the World Test Championship and the fact
Speaker 5: that you know it was decided on percentage of et
Speaker 5: C and he says the ic C cannot allow the
Speaker 5: Championship to continue as if designed on the back of
Speaker 5: a fag packet. Yeah, I think, yeah, indeed you left
Speaker 5: it no doubt.
Speaker 4: Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 5: This week we farewell well. One of the names star
Speaker 5: players in Australia Keith Stackpole. I remember Keith Stackpole, and
Speaker 5: I said previously, as a nice Australian I worked with
Speaker 5: him on the contry box. I didn't play cricket against
Speaker 5: him because.
Speaker 4: He was a little better than me.
Speaker 5: But he was lovely to work in the country box.
Speaker 5: He was thoughtful. He was the sort of person that
Speaker 5: was prepared to listen to your views. Sometimes in the
Speaker 5: comtry box they don't listen to your views. They just
Speaker 5: want to get these across, and he was able to
Speaker 5: share those thoughts. But as a player, Jeremy, you would
Speaker 5: have played against them, I think in your early Test career, Yes.
Speaker 4: I did, Wads. I have two little memories about Keith Stackpole,
Speaker 4: very different kind of innings that he played I'll do this.
Speaker 4: The quick one first, that was it was an Eden
Speaker 4: park Richard Hadley bowling from the from the old Bank
Speaker 4: end with all the steps going up, you remember those,
Speaker 4: and first over of the Test match Australia batting had
Speaker 4: lee to stackpole about the third ball was terrible over
Speaker 4: from Richard, but in fact both my memories had that
Speaker 4: it was a terrible over. But he got a full
Speaker 4: toss about head high'd be about three no balls nowadays,
Speaker 4: but a head high, full stop, full top, full toss
Speaker 4: and he he steered it to John Parker who was
Speaker 4: still awake, and he called it's well, it was the
Speaker 4: first over. It was the first over of the Test. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he caught it so so yeah. He departed for
Speaker 4: nought and that was might have been pretty close to
Speaker 4: his last innings and tests I think for Australia. The
Speaker 4: other one is my my first Test match. I was
Speaker 4: a twelfth man over at the mcg and this was
Speaker 4: after twenty seven years Australia had not played New Zealand,
Speaker 4: the difference between nineteen forty six and nineteen seventy three
Speaker 4: and r J was bowling again. Ossie batting r J
Speaker 4: off his long run up in those days to Keith Stackpole.
Speaker 4: The first ball was short. I was sitting in the
Speaker 4: changing room watching four without loss. Then Hadley came in
Speaker 4: again to Stackpole eight not out Stackpole. The third ball
Speaker 4: another one short Australia twelve without loss, and the fourth
Speaker 4: ball short and top edge. Nice simple cats to cover point.
Speaker 4: Now everyone started looking who was at cover point? No
Speaker 4: one at cover however, was Mike Shrimpton MJK. Shrimpton, Central
Speaker 4: District's Snippet Exactly. There was a name supplied by our
Speaker 4: team to someone who was given the task of going
Speaker 4: through all the newspaper reports at the end of the
Speaker 4: day and cutting out and pasting that report into a scrapbook,
Speaker 4: and that became the record of the tour that we
Speaker 4: took back to New Zealand cricket. So Snippett was there.
Speaker 4: He was slow to move and Brian Hastings in the
Speaker 4: gully thought that he wasn't going to attempt the catch
Speaker 4: it was. It was just one of those ones just
Speaker 4: up in the air. Come on, catch that, and so
Speaker 4: Brian Hastings starts to move and have a crack. Now
Speaker 4: Snippet thinks he can get there. Well, they collide inevitably,
Speaker 4: and Keith Stackpole remains twelve not out and the chance
Speaker 4: has dropped. And there's nothing like the silence of a
Speaker 4: drop catch after three fours, I can tell you. And
Speaker 4: I do remember one thing though, that him out. He
Speaker 4: hit a ball wide of Midon. He used to drive
Speaker 4: through the offside, but it used to go wide of
Speaker 4: mid On. And we had a guy called Dave O'Sullivan again,
Speaker 4: a man from Central Districts, Daffy. Well, Daffy thought he
Speaker 4: had stopped the single, he'd cut it off, but it
Speaker 4: was too quick for him and he fell in behind
Speaker 4: it and he started following it to one of the
Speaker 4: longer boundaries on the MCG which was right to the
Speaker 4: fence in the pockets. And it was one of those
Speaker 4: ones where the ball and the man were traveling at
Speaker 4: the same speed. He wasn't gaining and it stopped. The
Speaker 4: ball stopped about I don't know, five six feet from
Speaker 4: the boundary, and he caught up with it. And whether
Speaker 4: it was from the chase or he was overcome by
Speaker 4: the run, he picked it up. We were willing him
Speaker 4: to kick it over and he turned and the vast
Speaker 4: distance confronted him. Now he had to throw it. There's
Speaker 4: one thing slower than Daffy's run, and that's his throw.
Speaker 4: And he let go this tragic, kind of feeble little
Speaker 4: jerk of his arm, and the crowd hooted, and Brian
Speaker 4: Hastings once again had to go and tidy it up.
Speaker 4: But it was only a play within a play. I
Speaker 4: was watching from the dressing room. I could see Daffy,
Speaker 4: I could see the ball, and I could also see
Speaker 4: Ian Chapel and Keith Stackpole hairing up and down in
Speaker 4: the middle of the ground. They turned for eight. They
Speaker 4: turned for eight, and Stackpole was almost being lapped by
Speaker 4: Chapel and his Stackpole was in serious oxygen debt. And
Speaker 4: Snippet came on and he bowled a little leg break
Speaker 4: to Stackpole about an over later, and he tried had
Speaker 4: to hit it into Brisbane and he got He got
Speaker 4: a top edge and John Parker again that slip took
Speaker 4: the catch. But it was one of those edges that
Speaker 4: wasn't a sort of bounce and turn and I'll take
Speaker 4: it nicely at first slip. It was a top edge
Speaker 4: from a sweep. So that's how I remember him getting
Speaker 4: out again. But Stacky was a lovely guy to play
Speaker 4: He was a typical Australian wadds quite noisy, brash, but
Speaker 4: also as you say, decent guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, likable guy.
Speaker 5: I just got to correct you on your memory, Jerry.
Speaker 5: That Parker, that Parker catch was actually the first ball
Speaker 5: of the Test?
Speaker 4: Oh was it? First ball?
Speaker 5: Yeah? First ball of the Test? He was out for
Speaker 5: a pair in his final Test. And it was the
Speaker 5: one of two occasions that Hadley took a wicket with
Speaker 5: the first ball in a Test. Mess you know when
Speaker 5: the other one was. It was in Napier against India
Speaker 5: when he dismissed a guy called Vookery Rahman first ball
Speaker 5: of the Test match open in that Test match. And
Speaker 5: I'm sure you've heard Ian Smith's lovely story about that
Speaker 5: Test miss. If you haven't, we'll get him on one
Speaker 5: day when we've got forty five minutes to spare to
Speaker 5: relate the story. And most did you play against the
Speaker 5: second No?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm just the young chaplain in comparison,
Speaker 3: but I did play with both Mike Shrimpton and David
Speaker 3: O'Sullivan and Jerry is quite correct. In order to get
Speaker 3: the ball back and it would have been had to
Speaker 3: have been relayed back in from the boundary for Dave
Speaker 3: because it wasn't known for for the fielding and speed
Speaker 3: and power of arm. It's fair to say, damn fine
Speaker 3: bola though damn fine bowler. Let's let's not forget that
Speaker 3: very good and trump I could back were it not
Speaker 3: for the demons in his head some time.
Speaker 5: To time, interesting stuff, lovely reminiscences of Keith Stackpole. And
Speaker 5: I don't know about Peter Hollins's view of David Oslim
Speaker 5: at the times when he was determined. Some people would
Speaker 5: say he basically helped the ball with a bit of
Speaker 5: a jerky arm. I'm not sure whether that ever came
Speaker 5: up in his but Colin Munro would have been there
Speaker 5: to point it out for him, because he pointed that
Speaker 5: out against one of the sides. He was playing in
Speaker 5: the Pakistan Premier League or whatever they call it, and
Speaker 5: got himself fined thirty percent because he took the umpire
Speaker 5: on and he was abusive in his own way to
Speaker 5: a Pakistan player called if the car armored, suggesting he
Speaker 5: might have toss it at him. But those are the
Speaker 5: things that happened in cricket. I'm sure you remember all
Speaker 5: those days. Anybody throw one at you you saw David.
Speaker 4: David Gower, but I think I was at the non
Speaker 4: non striker's end, but I even saw it from there.
Speaker 4: It was a fairly obvious and blatant one, I've got
Speaker 4: to say. To finish the game at trent Bridge.
Speaker 5: And what about you, Peter, did you determine that somebody
Speaker 5: threw it you and wasn't called?
Speaker 3: It was interesting because in around the time that that, yeah,
Speaker 3: I started playing in the first class, there were a
Speaker 3: few people around and there were words that all their
Speaker 3: actions a bit a bit, a bit tricky, you guys
Speaker 3: obviously of Bartlet, Jim Michael, Girl, the guy girl, that's
Speaker 3: who I'm thinking of.
Speaker 5: Goodness great well, So there.
Speaker 3: Were a few around, but there seems to be less
Speaker 3: of an issue these days, I think. Monroe, though, you
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to have a poke at someone in Pakistan
Speaker 3: and the Pakistan Pakistani and the Pakistan Lega, I'm not
Speaker 3: sure about being that being very wise.
Speaker 5: Indeed, well, it costumes thirty percent of costs for Risban
Speaker 5: who was supporting if DECA in that exchange that got
Speaker 5: done for thirty percent, and Chris Brown, of course was
Speaker 5: one of the empires and Gerald Umpire I had to
Speaker 5: step and eat a big man, so he would have
Speaker 5: kept them apart, wouldn't he. Thanks for joining us, guys.
Speaker 5: We'll be watching with interest the progress of the MLC
Speaker 5: and other things that come out in terms of the
Speaker 5: the administration of the game, and I'll do my best
Speaker 5: during the middle of the night to track down Lawrence
Speaker 5: Burgency when he's.
Speaker 4: Able to join the seat. Join us guys, See you
Speaker 4: next week, Yeah summer.
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