1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,213 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:19,573 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:21,293 --> 00:00:24,733 Speaker 2: Take another pair, Bill, get in, It's a trick, it 5 00:00:24,853 --> 00:00:30,933 Speaker 2: is out, The test is over. Smokes a beauty, It 6 00:00:30,973 --> 00:00:31,573 Speaker 2: is out. 7 00:00:32,253 --> 00:00:32,933 Speaker 3: And here he goes. 8 00:00:33,013 --> 00:00:35,613 Speaker 4: This delivery has a user to Gold. 9 00:00:37,693 --> 00:00:41,093 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 10 00:00:41,413 --> 00:00:45,293 Speaker 1: powered by News Talk sad B at iHeart Radio. 11 00:00:47,413 --> 00:00:49,453 Speaker 5: Hello on the Front put back with you. 12 00:00:50,173 --> 00:00:51,453 Speaker 4: What's up this week? Well? 13 00:00:51,573 --> 00:00:56,173 Speaker 5: A share in an upcoming MLC venture an unnamed team, 14 00:00:56,293 --> 00:01:00,253 Speaker 5: no venue? Is it a risky business venture or possible 15 00:01:00,293 --> 00:01:03,893 Speaker 5: financial windfall of front? A New Zealand game, sad to 16 00:01:03,933 --> 00:01:08,133 Speaker 5: hear the passing of Keith Stackpole, aged eighty four men 17 00:01:08,133 --> 00:01:12,813 Speaker 5: who I call a likable Australian because he was a 18 00:01:12,973 --> 00:01:16,413 Speaker 5: very friendly man, but he possessed a lethal blade when 19 00:01:16,413 --> 00:01:20,013 Speaker 5: he played. And plans for the New Zealand a squad 20 00:01:20,293 --> 00:01:24,413 Speaker 5: in Bangladesh. What do they want to achieve? Colin Munroe 21 00:01:24,453 --> 00:01:28,213 Speaker 5: getting upside too with umpires in the Prakistan League. But 22 00:01:28,853 --> 00:01:32,813 Speaker 5: some interesting cricket points to talk about this week, and 23 00:01:32,853 --> 00:01:37,253 Speaker 5: I've invited along two of my financial experts to help 24 00:01:37,333 --> 00:01:41,053 Speaker 5: me in this adventure that New Zealand cricket game for 25 00:01:41,533 --> 00:01:45,653 Speaker 5: Jeremy Coney with a fist of shares in every major 26 00:01:45,733 --> 00:01:49,093 Speaker 5: company the world over, and Peter Holland who sold them 27 00:01:49,093 --> 00:01:52,733 Speaker 5: to him, have how along to day to help me 28 00:01:53,853 --> 00:01:57,013 Speaker 5: decide what is going on? Do you think we can 29 00:01:57,053 --> 00:02:00,253 Speaker 5: sort this issue out? Guys? Just a quick one before 30 00:02:00,253 --> 00:02:02,733 Speaker 5: we explain what it is. How do you feel about 31 00:02:02,813 --> 00:02:03,933 Speaker 5: the venture idea? 32 00:02:04,013 --> 00:02:09,213 Speaker 4: Jerry Mixed. Don't know enough about what the what the 33 00:02:09,293 --> 00:02:12,133 Speaker 4: contract actually is at the moment. I don't even are 34 00:02:12,213 --> 00:02:13,453 Speaker 4: they paying money for it? 35 00:02:14,413 --> 00:02:16,773 Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing that I think has to be determined. 36 00:02:16,773 --> 00:02:19,733 Speaker 3: What about you most it is something of a dilemma 37 00:02:19,773 --> 00:02:23,493 Speaker 3: for ENZIDC. Do you sit on your hands do nothing 38 00:02:24,333 --> 00:02:29,453 Speaker 3: or do you look to expand your operations in your 39 00:02:29,533 --> 00:02:37,053 Speaker 3: and your business? It's it's it's a it's a question companies, businesses, 40 00:02:37,493 --> 00:02:43,453 Speaker 3: organizations are frequently faced with and and INSC along with others. 41 00:02:44,533 --> 00:02:47,973 Speaker 3: Is a is it a really difficult phase now, particularly 42 00:02:47,973 --> 00:02:52,493 Speaker 3: with the proliferation of this franchise cricket. So yeah, I'm 43 00:02:52,693 --> 00:02:55,573 Speaker 3: on the fence each way, but but I do have 44 00:02:55,613 --> 00:02:57,933 Speaker 3: some views around what I've picked up and can glean. 45 00:02:58,053 --> 00:02:59,493 Speaker 3: So we can talk about that a bit later. 46 00:03:00,533 --> 00:03:02,413 Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll talk about that in the moment. Just explain 47 00:03:02,493 --> 00:03:04,533 Speaker 5: what it is for those who may have missed it. 48 00:03:05,013 --> 00:03:06,453 Speaker 5: I don't know where you've been if you have, but 49 00:03:06,573 --> 00:03:09,533 Speaker 5: it's been in the news. But Cricket has agreed terms 50 00:03:09,533 --> 00:03:13,973 Speaker 5: with the American company True North Sports Ventures to launch 51 00:03:14,013 --> 00:03:18,293 Speaker 5: a new Major Cricket League franchise and that's to debut 52 00:03:18,613 --> 00:03:21,373 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty seven. So we don't know what it's 53 00:03:21,413 --> 00:03:24,013 Speaker 5: going to be called, where it's going to be based. 54 00:03:24,613 --> 00:03:29,493 Speaker 5: The MLC Major League Cricket founders co founders Samir Matter 55 00:03:29,853 --> 00:03:32,733 Speaker 5: and VJ. Sheron of Arsen are the majority owners of 56 00:03:33,133 --> 00:03:36,573 Speaker 5: entities which hold exclusive rights to own and operate to 57 00:03:37,013 --> 00:03:40,493 Speaker 5: MLC expansion franchises. There's a lot of words, isn't it, 58 00:03:40,733 --> 00:03:43,173 Speaker 5: The first of which will be launched by TNS and 59 00:03:43,213 --> 00:03:46,773 Speaker 5: twenty twenty seven. Now, this guy Trinavasen owns the television 60 00:03:46,853 --> 00:03:50,213 Speaker 5: company that or is the chief executive of the television company. 61 00:03:50,053 --> 00:03:52,013 Speaker 4: That is going to show all this game. 62 00:03:52,213 --> 00:03:56,093 Speaker 5: Firstly, it's here from Cricket Chief executive Scott weeningk on 63 00:03:56,173 --> 00:03:57,813 Speaker 5: this bold announcement through the week. 64 00:03:58,133 --> 00:04:00,013 Speaker 6: What it does mean for Jilling cricket is that gives 65 00:04:00,093 --> 00:04:03,653 Speaker 6: us an opportunity to continue to be innovative just as 66 00:04:03,653 --> 00:04:06,213 Speaker 6: we are on the field, but also innovative off the 67 00:04:06,253 --> 00:04:10,453 Speaker 6: field by looking for new opportunities to grow our revenue 68 00:04:10,493 --> 00:04:15,373 Speaker 6: streams and diversify our revenue streams. Yes, so what we'll 69 00:04:15,413 --> 00:04:20,053 Speaker 6: be doing is partnering with the founders of Major League 70 00:04:20,053 --> 00:04:24,173 Speaker 6: Cricket to essentially provide the high performance services to one 71 00:04:24,213 --> 00:04:27,933 Speaker 6: of their new franchises. We'll also have an opportunity to 72 00:04:28,413 --> 00:04:31,973 Speaker 6: invest in that franchise as well, you know, take an 73 00:04:32,013 --> 00:04:36,013 Speaker 6: equity stake. But for our high performance team it you know, 74 00:04:36,093 --> 00:04:40,413 Speaker 6: it means that there's a pathway for both players, coaches, managers, 75 00:04:40,453 --> 00:04:46,253 Speaker 6: strength and conditioning experts, physios to actually do some work 76 00:04:46,413 --> 00:04:49,213 Speaker 6: in franchise cricket in another part. 77 00:04:48,973 --> 00:04:49,533 Speaker 3: Of the world. 78 00:04:50,773 --> 00:04:52,533 Speaker 6: We see this as a huge opportunity for these young 79 00:04:52,813 --> 00:04:55,893 Speaker 6: cricket network as a whole. Players and coaches and the 80 00:04:55,933 --> 00:04:58,613 Speaker 6: major associations will also be able to take advantage of 81 00:04:58,653 --> 00:05:01,453 Speaker 6: the opportunities that this is going to create for our 82 00:05:01,493 --> 00:05:02,293 Speaker 6: cricket network. 83 00:05:02,613 --> 00:05:06,893 Speaker 5: So seen as a bold announcements, innovative move by some others, 84 00:05:06,973 --> 00:05:11,653 Speaker 5: a risky venture, Jerry says it's hard to know at 85 00:05:11,733 --> 00:05:16,093 Speaker 5: the moment what it will entail. It's nice to think 86 00:05:16,133 --> 00:05:19,613 Speaker 5: that New Zealand Cricket may be able to generate revenue 87 00:05:19,613 --> 00:05:22,613 Speaker 5: from this jerry, but is there a risk involved and 88 00:05:22,653 --> 00:05:24,853 Speaker 5: what's it going to cost that I think of the 89 00:05:24,853 --> 00:05:26,933 Speaker 5: things that we need to consider at the moment, isn't 90 00:05:26,933 --> 00:05:27,613 Speaker 5: it Yeah? 91 00:05:27,733 --> 00:05:31,213 Speaker 4: I think. Look, I'm not a necessor of whether an 92 00:05:31,253 --> 00:05:36,133 Speaker 4: investment is a sound one or not. That's more Moose's business, really, 93 00:05:36,453 --> 00:05:41,573 Speaker 4: But I do wonder if a sports team is a 94 00:05:41,613 --> 00:05:46,133 Speaker 4: reliable investment or not. It depends how good they are, 95 00:05:46,293 --> 00:05:49,653 Speaker 4: I guess. And as you pointed out, there are no 96 00:05:49,813 --> 00:05:52,373 Speaker 4: players yet, there are no coaches, there's no ground, there's 97 00:05:52,373 --> 00:05:57,213 Speaker 4: no games for this team, and you know there are 98 00:05:57,213 --> 00:05:59,733 Speaker 4: no fans to follow them and go along and watch 99 00:05:59,773 --> 00:06:03,133 Speaker 4: them and pay some money for it. So it feels 100 00:06:03,173 --> 00:06:05,973 Speaker 4: that at this stage you just don't know quite what 101 00:06:06,133 --> 00:06:10,973 Speaker 4: to say from a cricket perspective rather than investment one. 102 00:06:11,133 --> 00:06:17,173 Speaker 4: You know, if New Zealand are offering players and a 103 00:06:17,213 --> 00:06:19,973 Speaker 4: place for coaches to go and a place for management 104 00:06:20,013 --> 00:06:23,813 Speaker 4: to go and high performance they've talked about and as 105 00:06:23,853 --> 00:06:27,413 Speaker 4: he mentions, a seven figure sum there, so that's between 106 00:06:27,493 --> 00:06:31,093 Speaker 4: one and nine million, isn't it Can New Zealand Cricket 107 00:06:31,293 --> 00:06:36,093 Speaker 4: afford that? Is sport the right place to put the money. Anyway, 108 00:06:36,093 --> 00:06:39,293 Speaker 4: if they want to diversify a bit their revenue stream, 109 00:06:39,893 --> 00:06:43,453 Speaker 4: it would be disappointing to me if New Zealand Cricket cut, 110 00:06:43,653 --> 00:06:46,813 Speaker 4: for example, a competition in order to pay for this, 111 00:06:47,133 --> 00:06:51,013 Speaker 4: like say the Under seventeens or an a tour or 112 00:06:51,053 --> 00:06:56,293 Speaker 4: the Hawk Cup, in order to lower domestic costs to 113 00:06:56,493 --> 00:07:01,853 Speaker 4: enable it, that would be a disappointment if their development things. 114 00:07:01,693 --> 00:07:03,733 Speaker 5: Most there's an element of risk in anything you do, 115 00:07:03,853 --> 00:07:07,053 Speaker 5: isn't there in terms of talking finance, and I guess 116 00:07:07,173 --> 00:07:10,493 Speaker 5: New Zealand crickets response onsibility is to foster and develop 117 00:07:10,533 --> 00:07:12,773 Speaker 5: the game in New Zealand, and as Jerry says, run 118 00:07:12,813 --> 00:07:16,373 Speaker 5: these competitions and fund them. And we don't know whether 119 00:07:16,493 --> 00:07:18,493 Speaker 5: any of them are going to be a cut because 120 00:07:18,533 --> 00:07:22,653 Speaker 5: of that. But I suppose, as you say, we have 121 00:07:22,773 --> 00:07:26,053 Speaker 5: to look for other ways to finance the game because 122 00:07:26,093 --> 00:07:29,453 Speaker 5: the ic C quite clearly through television rights and not 123 00:07:29,493 --> 00:07:31,453 Speaker 5: going to fund it the same way as they have 124 00:07:31,493 --> 00:07:32,253 Speaker 5: in the past. 125 00:07:33,373 --> 00:07:37,613 Speaker 3: I heard an interesting interview with Scott Weene which which 126 00:07:37,733 --> 00:07:41,253 Speaker 3: clarified in my minds now again you haven't seen fine 127 00:07:41,333 --> 00:07:45,253 Speaker 3: print around what this. The use of the word investment 128 00:07:46,253 --> 00:07:50,653 Speaker 3: seems to be somewhat jumbled, because investment implies we're putting 129 00:07:51,413 --> 00:07:54,973 Speaker 3: some version of capital into an entity. The seven figures 130 00:07:56,013 --> 00:08:02,853 Speaker 3: that when it was discussing, was a remuneration for the 131 00:08:02,933 --> 00:08:09,653 Speaker 3: delivery of a high performance program for this team, for 132 00:08:09,733 --> 00:08:13,253 Speaker 3: which they would be they would be paid. So this 133 00:08:13,413 --> 00:08:21,053 Speaker 3: is not players. This was coaches, psykes, physios, essentially the 134 00:08:21,093 --> 00:08:27,253 Speaker 3: infrastructure in setting up a franchise club for which they'll 135 00:08:27,293 --> 00:08:31,453 Speaker 3: have to do anyway. But INSI see, will deliver the 136 00:08:31,493 --> 00:08:36,493 Speaker 3: intellectual property and therefore the people around that, as I said, 137 00:08:36,493 --> 00:08:43,573 Speaker 3: not players for which they will receive compensation remuneration. I 138 00:08:43,653 --> 00:08:46,733 Speaker 3: understand that they've actually getted some sort of option to 139 00:08:46,853 --> 00:08:53,133 Speaker 3: invest into the franchise, which seems to make some sense. 140 00:08:53,173 --> 00:08:56,493 Speaker 3: Now one can invest into that. So say, for instance, 141 00:08:56,653 --> 00:08:59,453 Speaker 3: the seven figure fund for fund for the setting up 142 00:08:59,453 --> 00:09:04,133 Speaker 3: of this business and supplying of coaches, pikes, physios, etc. 143 00:09:05,453 --> 00:09:09,253 Speaker 3: We'll say five million. What they could easily do is say, well, 144 00:09:09,253 --> 00:09:11,853 Speaker 3: I'll take three and a half, but i'll leave one 145 00:09:11,853 --> 00:09:15,733 Speaker 3: and a half in the bin, for which I will 146 00:09:15,773 --> 00:09:18,693 Speaker 3: be given in inequity share in other words, it's the 147 00:09:18,693 --> 00:09:22,133 Speaker 3: phrase used for that as an earning or otherwise known 148 00:09:22,173 --> 00:09:24,773 Speaker 3: as sweet equity. In other words, I've worked for it, 149 00:09:24,813 --> 00:09:27,973 Speaker 3: so I leave that in the business. So it may 150 00:09:28,053 --> 00:09:31,853 Speaker 3: be that in terms of, you know, in banker terms, 151 00:09:32,293 --> 00:09:36,173 Speaker 3: it's a cash neutral. They're not actually putting money in, 152 00:09:36,493 --> 00:09:40,173 Speaker 3: but they are getting to their revenue line. In my 153 00:09:40,333 --> 00:09:43,133 Speaker 3: example here three and a half million or what they 154 00:09:43,133 --> 00:09:45,493 Speaker 3: could elect to take the lot the fight, in which 155 00:09:45,533 --> 00:09:47,893 Speaker 3: case that would be reinvested into the end zen cricket. 156 00:09:48,133 --> 00:09:51,093 Speaker 3: In other words, what they're doing, what they're implying when 157 00:09:51,133 --> 00:09:54,573 Speaker 3: it was implying, was we get our revenue streams as 158 00:09:54,613 --> 00:09:57,093 Speaker 3: they currently are. But this is another way to boost 159 00:09:57,373 --> 00:10:02,613 Speaker 3: what cash in the coffers by supplying and delivering talent 160 00:10:03,893 --> 00:10:06,653 Speaker 3: in the form that we just described to this franchise. 161 00:10:07,173 --> 00:10:09,213 Speaker 3: The other thing that strikes me about this is that 162 00:10:09,933 --> 00:10:13,333 Speaker 3: I'll compete with other franchises. It seems to be very 163 00:10:13,333 --> 00:10:15,613 Speaker 3: well capitalized and others. There seems to be a lot 164 00:10:15,653 --> 00:10:22,093 Speaker 3: of cash in behind this the MLC as it is, 165 00:10:22,573 --> 00:10:24,053 Speaker 3: So if you're going to go into something, you might 166 00:10:24,093 --> 00:10:27,173 Speaker 3: as well go where the money is, and that may 167 00:10:27,213 --> 00:10:30,853 Speaker 3: have some benefits. Bearing in mind that the MLC has 168 00:10:30,893 --> 00:10:35,893 Speaker 3: also played out of season for US, so that works 169 00:10:35,933 --> 00:10:39,133 Speaker 3: as well. So it shouldn't interfere with a lot of 170 00:10:39,173 --> 00:10:44,693 Speaker 3: what cricket delivers during our summer long and lengthy. But 171 00:10:44,773 --> 00:10:46,413 Speaker 3: I hopefully that sort of breaks it down a bit. 172 00:10:46,813 --> 00:10:50,213 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. I mean, it's certainly a good time 173 00:10:51,493 --> 00:10:57,893 Speaker 4: for Indian viewing in America. Those two guys that Wats 174 00:10:57,893 --> 00:11:01,253 Speaker 4: mentioned they actually own is it Willow TV, which is 175 00:11:01,253 --> 00:11:04,613 Speaker 4: going to show this and stream us. Four of the 176 00:11:04,733 --> 00:11:07,533 Speaker 4: six sides at the moment are owned by the IPL. 177 00:11:08,493 --> 00:11:11,093 Speaker 4: I mean, there's a Los Angeles Night Riders, you can 178 00:11:11,133 --> 00:11:15,373 Speaker 4: tell where that comes from. There's the Mumbai Indian New 179 00:11:15,453 --> 00:11:17,653 Speaker 4: York who won it last year. You know where that 180 00:11:17,693 --> 00:11:21,133 Speaker 4: comes from. There's the Seattle Orcs which is owned by 181 00:11:21,293 --> 00:11:25,573 Speaker 4: GMR Group. They own the Delhi Capitals, and there's the 182 00:11:25,613 --> 00:11:29,293 Speaker 4: Super Kings as well. And the Washington Freedom. Actually you're 183 00:11:29,333 --> 00:11:34,213 Speaker 4: talking about Talent Mos. Sanjay Goval owns them. He's an 184 00:11:34,213 --> 00:11:38,493 Speaker 4: Indian American businessman and they have a New South Wales 185 00:11:39,133 --> 00:11:42,453 Speaker 4: as their performance partner. They provide the same sorts of 186 00:11:42,493 --> 00:11:47,173 Speaker 4: things you are talking about for the Washington Freedom. Another side, 187 00:11:47,293 --> 00:11:48,053 Speaker 4: so it could. 188 00:11:47,933 --> 00:11:53,573 Speaker 3: Be Victoria similarly has an arrangement somewhere in there in 189 00:11:53,653 --> 00:11:56,653 Speaker 3: this as well. So Victoria and New South Wales seem 190 00:11:56,693 --> 00:12:00,293 Speaker 3: to be providing similar type of services. 191 00:12:01,133 --> 00:12:03,813 Speaker 5: So that's not a national body, is it, which is 192 00:12:03,813 --> 00:12:04,573 Speaker 5: slightly different? 193 00:12:04,813 --> 00:12:08,573 Speaker 3: No, not completely, but yeah, I guess that's an example 194 00:12:08,613 --> 00:12:13,053 Speaker 3: of it. So perhaps there's some piggybacking on what New 195 00:12:13,093 --> 00:12:16,413 Speaker 3: South Wales are doing, so that perhaps has some merit. 196 00:12:17,173 --> 00:12:20,133 Speaker 3: So we're not it's always good to be a follower 197 00:12:20,293 --> 00:12:22,853 Speaker 3: rather than the first in there and in case you 198 00:12:22,893 --> 00:12:23,973 Speaker 3: get a bad. 199 00:12:24,013 --> 00:12:28,253 Speaker 5: Yeah, or New South Wales is the venue that Neil 200 00:12:28,253 --> 00:12:31,293 Speaker 5: Maxwell is involved in, and he's involved in the development 201 00:12:31,453 --> 00:12:35,493 Speaker 5: of a number of these programs, the World Cricket Association, 202 00:12:35,653 --> 00:12:37,613 Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera. I mean there's so many of 203 00:12:37,613 --> 00:12:41,533 Speaker 5: them developing now. The interesting thing that Scott Winning said 204 00:12:41,573 --> 00:12:44,653 Speaker 5: in the press releases, as franchise cricket grows globally, New 205 00:12:44,773 --> 00:12:49,413 Speaker 5: Zealand Cricket needs to adapt to seize strategic opportunities that 206 00:12:49,653 --> 00:12:53,053 Speaker 5: ensure the sustainability of our cricket network. This helps to 207 00:12:53,053 --> 00:12:57,333 Speaker 5: diversify our revenue streams, expands our global brand and fan base, 208 00:12:57,573 --> 00:13:01,613 Speaker 5: and creates new talent development and retention pathways for both 209 00:13:01,653 --> 00:13:04,893 Speaker 5: our players and coaches. A word salad really, isn't it? 210 00:13:04,893 --> 00:13:10,173 Speaker 5: But is that something that you know we have to 211 00:13:10,293 --> 00:13:13,213 Speaker 5: the fan base? I mean, how will New Zealanders log 212 00:13:13,333 --> 00:13:17,093 Speaker 5: on to this unnamed team? Will they become part of 213 00:13:17,133 --> 00:13:20,813 Speaker 5: the fan base or will we be relying on American 214 00:13:20,893 --> 00:13:23,813 Speaker 5: fan base, Indians who live in the United States or 215 00:13:23,973 --> 00:13:26,293 Speaker 5: West Indians who live in that part of the world. 216 00:13:26,653 --> 00:13:30,653 Speaker 5: The other things that I suppose are extra add on, 217 00:13:30,693 --> 00:13:34,213 Speaker 5: don't they, Jerry. Whether or not it's going to generate 218 00:13:34,293 --> 00:13:36,853 Speaker 5: revenue is in the lap of the gods. 219 00:13:38,093 --> 00:13:40,653 Speaker 4: Look, I'm not going to follow this team Wads because 220 00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:42,813 Speaker 4: there's a New Zealand coach or a New Zealand physio 221 00:13:42,973 --> 00:13:44,373 Speaker 4: or and you know, I'm just not going. 222 00:13:44,333 --> 00:13:44,733 Speaker 5: To do that. 223 00:13:45,533 --> 00:13:47,653 Speaker 4: What you tend to follow as the players, don't you? 224 00:13:50,173 --> 00:13:55,653 Speaker 4: There the factors. Look at the moment, the rules of 225 00:13:55,693 --> 00:13:59,773 Speaker 4: this competition say there are nine overseas players allowed per side. 226 00:14:00,573 --> 00:14:02,933 Speaker 4: Now the New Zealand can't expect to get all of 227 00:14:02,973 --> 00:14:08,813 Speaker 4: those nine. They might get four, maybe five, but you 228 00:14:08,813 --> 00:14:10,733 Speaker 4: wouldn't think it'd be much more than that. You're not 229 00:14:10,773 --> 00:14:13,493 Speaker 4: going to write off all the other players around the world, 230 00:14:13,533 --> 00:14:16,773 Speaker 4: are you? I think the other thing for me is 231 00:14:17,133 --> 00:14:22,253 Speaker 4: there are now over fifty men's and women's franchises tournaments 232 00:14:23,173 --> 00:14:28,333 Speaker 4: operating around the world. Fifty three I think it is now. 233 00:14:28,373 --> 00:14:32,933 Speaker 4: Even if it's an extraordinary number, if only two thirds 234 00:14:32,933 --> 00:14:35,773 Speaker 4: of that number is correct, it's still a lot. Now. 235 00:14:35,773 --> 00:14:38,933 Speaker 4: The MLC at this stage is a fledgling tournament. It's 236 00:14:39,013 --> 00:14:42,213 Speaker 4: only been going since twenty twenty three. As I mentioned, 237 00:14:42,213 --> 00:14:47,493 Speaker 4: as six sides competing. Now, the US are keenon sport. Yeah, 238 00:14:47,613 --> 00:14:50,453 Speaker 4: but they already have their own bat and ball game, 239 00:14:50,573 --> 00:14:54,933 Speaker 4: don't they. Let's not forget that. But despite all the diaspora, 240 00:14:55,013 --> 00:14:58,613 Speaker 4: which is all those West Indians and the Indians there 241 00:14:58,613 --> 00:15:02,533 Speaker 4: and the Pakistani's there where cricket is important, it's very 242 00:15:02,653 --> 00:15:06,253 Speaker 4: much cricket a probation of sport over in the US. 243 00:15:07,013 --> 00:15:10,533 Speaker 4: You know, there isn't the lega, see the knowledge, the 244 00:15:10,573 --> 00:15:15,293 Speaker 4: love of the game that you get. For example, in India, 245 00:15:15,413 --> 00:15:18,613 Speaker 4: they won't have people lining up to play or to watch, 246 00:15:19,493 --> 00:15:22,373 Speaker 4: you know, the young won't be lying in their beds 247 00:15:22,493 --> 00:15:26,773 Speaker 4: dreaming about this, to follow this. It's not India or 248 00:15:26,773 --> 00:15:30,893 Speaker 4: the IPL where it's become a very tribal kind of thing, 249 00:15:31,533 --> 00:15:34,053 Speaker 4: you know, just where they go and follow their team. 250 00:15:34,213 --> 00:15:38,093 Speaker 4: They go to their ground. They have all their their merchandise. 251 00:15:38,733 --> 00:15:42,253 Speaker 4: You know, it's like soccer is in England. So I 252 00:15:42,293 --> 00:15:45,933 Speaker 4: think this tournament is going to take some time if 253 00:15:45,973 --> 00:15:51,693 Speaker 4: it lasts, and very astute management, I would have thought. 254 00:15:51,813 --> 00:15:56,213 Speaker 4: To grow the interest and the development of the game 255 00:15:56,253 --> 00:16:00,053 Speaker 4: of a fan base, you need to be very proactive 256 00:16:00,093 --> 00:16:03,733 Speaker 4: on the social I have good pricing all those kinds 257 00:16:03,773 --> 00:16:06,373 Speaker 4: of things. The next thing is you've mentioned Brian is 258 00:16:06,413 --> 00:16:10,933 Speaker 4: a venue and an infrastructure. I mean these six sides 259 00:16:11,293 --> 00:16:15,333 Speaker 4: last year have two grounds that they play on. Two 260 00:16:15,413 --> 00:16:18,853 Speaker 4: grounds of the six. They have the Grand Prairie Stadium 261 00:16:18,893 --> 00:16:24,173 Speaker 4: in Dallas, Texas. They have Church Street Park in North Carolina, Morrisville. 262 00:16:24,453 --> 00:16:26,693 Speaker 4: The first eight games were played in Dallas, the next 263 00:16:26,733 --> 00:16:30,133 Speaker 4: seven were played in North Carolina and then back to Dallas. 264 00:16:30,453 --> 00:16:33,413 Speaker 4: So you're traveling all the time. If you're a follower, 265 00:16:33,573 --> 00:16:36,053 Speaker 4: you'd have to travel to watch your team or watch 266 00:16:36,093 --> 00:16:40,053 Speaker 4: it on the telly, of course. But you know they're 267 00:16:40,093 --> 00:16:43,333 Speaker 4: getting some names. Let's be fair, Mummins is going there 268 00:16:43,333 --> 00:16:46,293 Speaker 4: and this next one, Travis Head is there, Steve Smith 269 00:16:46,413 --> 00:16:51,573 Speaker 4: is there. So the Aussies are coming. So that's fine, 270 00:16:52,813 --> 00:16:56,413 Speaker 4: that's fine, and I can certainly see a bonus for 271 00:16:56,453 --> 00:16:59,693 Speaker 4: Scott Wiener and those who are negotiating for New Zealand 272 00:16:59,773 --> 00:17:02,653 Speaker 4: Cricket when it comes to contract time with our players. 273 00:17:04,333 --> 00:17:06,773 Speaker 4: At the moment, the pay for play for New Zealand 274 00:17:07,213 --> 00:17:10,613 Speaker 4: is nowhere near any franchise offer that the players get. 275 00:17:11,373 --> 00:17:15,253 Speaker 4: And all enz C can do really is to those 276 00:17:15,333 --> 00:17:20,093 Speaker 4: players is to say, well, it's for your country, it's 277 00:17:20,093 --> 00:17:25,053 Speaker 4: the heritage, it's where you come from and you play internationals. Now. 278 00:17:25,413 --> 00:17:31,573 Speaker 4: You know now if they have this operation, there's more negotiation, 279 00:17:31,733 --> 00:17:34,973 Speaker 4: isn't there. You're getting your contract, plus you might get 280 00:17:34,973 --> 00:17:38,053 Speaker 4: a place in the Atlanta ard Varks or you might 281 00:17:38,093 --> 00:17:41,893 Speaker 4: be in the Toronto Termites, and they'll have a place 282 00:17:42,013 --> 00:17:47,053 Speaker 4: also for coaches and for management. So I can see 283 00:17:47,053 --> 00:17:51,853 Speaker 4: some bonuses, some merits, but there are also I think 284 00:17:52,413 --> 00:17:55,493 Speaker 4: some downside. It clashes with the Sri Lankan League. We've 285 00:17:55,533 --> 00:17:58,733 Speaker 4: already got players there. It clashes with the first part 286 00:17:58,733 --> 00:18:01,813 Speaker 4: of the hundred, so there'll be players who are going 287 00:18:02,053 --> 00:18:04,333 Speaker 4: they'll have to go late to the hundred as well. 288 00:18:04,973 --> 00:18:08,293 Speaker 4: Once every four years we go to England in July 289 00:18:09,373 --> 00:18:14,013 Speaker 4: and that's when this tournament is played, so lesser players 290 00:18:14,053 --> 00:18:17,373 Speaker 4: would be offered. I guess at that time, or we'd 291 00:18:17,373 --> 00:18:19,653 Speaker 4: have lesser players in the New Zealand side. 292 00:18:20,173 --> 00:18:23,133 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's some of the drawbacks that I guess will 293 00:18:23,173 --> 00:18:26,173 Speaker 5: have to be investigated over a couple of years. Well, 294 00:18:26,213 --> 00:18:27,493 Speaker 5: it's going to have to be done over a couple 295 00:18:27,493 --> 00:18:30,133 Speaker 5: of years. Twenty twenty seven is when it first comes forward. 296 00:18:30,453 --> 00:18:35,213 Speaker 5: And my other worry, Peter Holland, is one, will we 297 00:18:35,293 --> 00:18:43,293 Speaker 5: have to pay Donald Trump's tariffs? Your political knows would 298 00:18:43,293 --> 00:18:44,533 Speaker 5: have been in that snout, wouldn't it. 299 00:18:45,013 --> 00:18:47,813 Speaker 3: I suspect that that that's probably not not in the 300 00:18:48,053 --> 00:18:49,333 Speaker 3: on the Trump's des radar. 301 00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:53,013 Speaker 4: It won't be on the list, just on that point. 302 00:18:53,013 --> 00:18:57,453 Speaker 3: Around grounds, I did some digging and somewhere I found 303 00:18:57,573 --> 00:19:01,413 Speaker 3: or heard that ten new grounds. I talked about this 304 00:19:01,573 --> 00:19:05,333 Speaker 3: being backed by a lot of people with capital, ten 305 00:19:05,373 --> 00:19:10,133 Speaker 3: new grounds are apparently being planned to be built now. 306 00:19:10,293 --> 00:19:12,853 Speaker 3: I don't know what the timing is, so they are 307 00:19:12,893 --> 00:19:15,373 Speaker 3: clearly aware of the constraints that you were talking about, Jerry. 308 00:19:15,813 --> 00:19:19,533 Speaker 3: What I understood is that the MLC is the league 309 00:19:19,573 --> 00:19:22,813 Speaker 3: where the ten six growing to ten teams is, but 310 00:19:23,013 --> 00:19:25,453 Speaker 3: underneath there is a minor league where I gather there's 311 00:19:25,493 --> 00:19:29,413 Speaker 3: something like twenty six teams which will support that. So 312 00:19:29,413 --> 00:19:31,093 Speaker 3: In other words, I think they're trying to grow the game. 313 00:19:31,253 --> 00:19:34,093 Speaker 3: Bearing in mind that cricket now is in the Olympics 314 00:19:34,133 --> 00:19:39,973 Speaker 3: coming up, so they therefore in America obviously get automatic 315 00:19:40,093 --> 00:19:43,653 Speaker 3: entry because being the host to the Olympics. So there's 316 00:19:43,733 --> 00:19:45,933 Speaker 3: I can sort of see where things are happening, but 317 00:19:46,653 --> 00:19:49,613 Speaker 3: I guess it's going to be quite fluid and a 318 00:19:49,613 --> 00:19:53,333 Speaker 3: bit of a moving target. But I think where I 319 00:19:53,413 --> 00:19:56,773 Speaker 3: land is if it means that an insit cricket is 320 00:19:56,773 --> 00:20:00,053 Speaker 3: going to get some cash coming in the door three 321 00:20:00,173 --> 00:20:02,613 Speaker 3: four five million a year, that can only be a 322 00:20:02,613 --> 00:20:06,493 Speaker 3: good thing and provides opportunity to develop the infrastructure and 323 00:20:06,533 --> 00:20:10,693 Speaker 3: the intellectual property that we have for our coaches, our curators, 324 00:20:10,733 --> 00:20:12,853 Speaker 3: all those sort of people. I think it's only a 325 00:20:12,893 --> 00:20:13,413 Speaker 3: good thing. 326 00:20:13,893 --> 00:20:16,453 Speaker 5: And doesn't put tournaments that we've run now at risk, 327 00:20:16,493 --> 00:20:19,093 Speaker 5: and that's fair enough. I quite agree with you. 328 00:20:19,453 --> 00:20:20,733 Speaker 4: I agree with all that too. 329 00:20:21,693 --> 00:20:21,933 Speaker 3: Yep. 330 00:20:22,213 --> 00:20:24,373 Speaker 5: So it's going to be something interesting that we'll be 331 00:20:24,453 --> 00:20:29,333 Speaker 5: watching very closely over a period of time. Twenty twenty 332 00:20:29,373 --> 00:20:31,773 Speaker 5: seven when it comes to sort of cricket teams out 333 00:20:31,773 --> 00:20:35,213 Speaker 5: and new competitions is not that far away. And I'm 334 00:20:35,253 --> 00:20:37,613 Speaker 5: sure he's yelling cricket will have a lot more to say, 335 00:20:38,013 --> 00:20:39,693 Speaker 5: just a quick one because I was going to talk 336 00:20:39,773 --> 00:20:43,853 Speaker 5: or try and talk to the Wisdom editor this week, 337 00:20:43,933 --> 00:20:47,613 Speaker 5: but I'll have to try and chase him down. But 338 00:20:47,773 --> 00:20:51,973 Speaker 5: the latest edition of The Wisdom Orban Act the Cricketer's Bible, 339 00:20:53,173 --> 00:20:55,933 Speaker 5: Lawrence Booth, the editor, says the World Test Championship is 340 00:20:55,973 --> 00:21:00,493 Speaker 5: a shambles masquerading as a show piece. And he's also 341 00:21:00,613 --> 00:21:04,413 Speaker 5: questioned Jay Shar's promotion from Board of Control of Cricket 342 00:21:04,413 --> 00:21:09,213 Speaker 5: and India Secretary to the Chairman of the ICC. And 343 00:21:10,813 --> 00:21:13,293 Speaker 5: Lawrence Booth has turned his attention to the World Test 344 00:21:13,373 --> 00:21:16,293 Speaker 5: Championship and it's something we can discuss next week. But 345 00:21:16,373 --> 00:21:21,293 Speaker 5: it's interesting that he has really I mean, they're strong 346 00:21:21,333 --> 00:21:24,533 Speaker 5: words masquerading as a show piece. I tend to agree 347 00:21:24,573 --> 00:21:26,733 Speaker 5: with them, do you, I do. 348 00:21:28,173 --> 00:21:33,613 Speaker 4: Well, it's a poor tournament, isn't it. Yeah, well, you know, 349 00:21:35,973 --> 00:21:41,093 Speaker 4: teams playing different numbers of games, teams playing some teams 350 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:47,253 Speaker 4: and not others. Two Test match series, they're not really series. 351 00:21:47,813 --> 00:21:49,693 Speaker 4: They're a bit of a nonsense. We all know that 352 00:21:50,813 --> 00:21:52,773 Speaker 4: if they go to three day tests, which I think 353 00:21:52,813 --> 00:21:57,373 Speaker 4: which is what Lawrence Booth was talking about, will that 354 00:21:57,453 --> 00:22:02,013 Speaker 4: mean four day tests that's a question that I have 355 00:22:02,133 --> 00:22:04,533 Speaker 4: in the back of my mind to get those through. 356 00:22:06,013 --> 00:22:08,613 Speaker 4: But Test cricket's been great in the last few years, 357 00:22:08,653 --> 00:22:12,213 Speaker 4: hasn't it. I mean, we've got we've got to admit that. 358 00:22:12,293 --> 00:22:15,493 Speaker 4: I mean, actually you could argue it deserves some more 359 00:22:15,493 --> 00:22:20,173 Speaker 4: attention that it's getting. I remember that South African that 360 00:22:20,213 --> 00:22:24,173 Speaker 4: weak side that came here, that South Africa actually have 361 00:22:24,293 --> 00:22:29,213 Speaker 4: got no tests in their season coming up at home. None. 362 00:22:30,133 --> 00:22:33,613 Speaker 4: Not not South Africa's fault at all. It's the big 363 00:22:33,653 --> 00:22:36,293 Speaker 4: three wanting to play each other and not wanting to 364 00:22:36,293 --> 00:22:41,653 Speaker 4: play the smaller sides Test champions. Well, how are India? 365 00:22:41,933 --> 00:22:44,173 Speaker 4: I mean, India are not going to play Pakistan and 366 00:22:44,213 --> 00:22:46,973 Speaker 4: tests are they? They're just not going to play them. 367 00:22:47,853 --> 00:22:53,893 Speaker 4: And in that case, in that case, yeah, give the 368 00:22:53,933 --> 00:22:57,733 Speaker 4: points to Pakistan. I mean, that's that's the problem. You see, 369 00:22:57,733 --> 00:23:00,693 Speaker 4: no one is really challenging Pakistan, not even England and 370 00:23:00,773 --> 00:23:05,213 Speaker 4: Australia that they're they're not. And what we've got was 371 00:23:05,293 --> 00:23:09,013 Speaker 4: Shah going into the ic C chairman to me is 372 00:23:09,093 --> 00:23:15,813 Speaker 4: cementing an inequitable, already inequitable situation. So it's a very 373 00:23:15,853 --> 00:23:20,933 Speaker 4: haphazard kind of system I think for for the Test championship. 374 00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:28,213 Speaker 3: That said, I'd rather there was a championship, a competition 375 00:23:28,373 --> 00:23:34,773 Speaker 3: of sorts. Ye, it's with its weaknesses, but at least 376 00:23:35,533 --> 00:23:38,933 Speaker 3: in some way, shape or form, test matches have a 377 00:23:38,933 --> 00:23:41,013 Speaker 3: little bit of meaning. So if we do quite well, 378 00:23:41,013 --> 00:23:44,533 Speaker 3: then there's a chance of us playing in a in 379 00:23:44,573 --> 00:23:49,973 Speaker 3: a in a championship. I just would hope that the 380 00:23:49,973 --> 00:23:54,253 Speaker 3: administrators are brave enough to acknowledge that in fact, with 381 00:23:54,293 --> 00:23:57,853 Speaker 3: some with some tweaks, it could actually be really really interesting. 382 00:23:58,133 --> 00:24:00,693 Speaker 3: And I know that in New Zealand our test matches 383 00:24:00,773 --> 00:24:03,813 Speaker 3: this past season were pretty much sold out. 384 00:24:04,013 --> 00:24:08,333 Speaker 5: What does that say, Well, there's a popularity there. That's 385 00:24:08,413 --> 00:24:10,693 Speaker 5: that we don't get big numbers, of course, but the 386 00:24:10,773 --> 00:24:14,213 Speaker 5: popularity and people love the game. You know, England send 387 00:24:14,213 --> 00:24:17,813 Speaker 5: their barmie army out here, so it's something that you know. 388 00:24:17,933 --> 00:24:20,453 Speaker 5: I want to discuss with Lawrence Booth. He spoke to 389 00:24:20,533 --> 00:24:23,093 Speaker 5: us last year, remember when the Wisdom came out. So 390 00:24:23,413 --> 00:24:25,653 Speaker 5: I'll get a touch with him in the middle of 391 00:24:25,653 --> 00:24:28,213 Speaker 5: the night while I'm watching domestic cricket in England on 392 00:24:28,253 --> 00:24:34,533 Speaker 5: the television. Jerry and if he's prepared to join us. 393 00:24:34,573 --> 00:24:35,213 Speaker 4: I got to say. 394 00:24:35,213 --> 00:24:37,573 Speaker 5: One of his best lines was and I love this 395 00:24:37,653 --> 00:24:40,733 Speaker 5: line talking about the World Test Championship and the fact 396 00:24:40,773 --> 00:24:42,613 Speaker 5: that you know it was decided on percentage of et 397 00:24:42,613 --> 00:24:45,293 Speaker 5: C and he says the ic C cannot allow the 398 00:24:45,373 --> 00:24:48,853 Speaker 5: Championship to continue as if designed on the back of 399 00:24:48,893 --> 00:24:58,493 Speaker 5: a fag packet. Yeah, I think, yeah, indeed you left 400 00:24:58,533 --> 00:24:59,173 Speaker 5: it no doubt. 401 00:24:59,733 --> 00:25:03,733 Speaker 4: Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 402 00:25:04,333 --> 00:25:09,933 Speaker 5: This week we farewell well. One of the names star 403 00:25:10,013 --> 00:25:14,573 Speaker 5: players in Australia Keith Stackpole. I remember Keith Stackpole, and 404 00:25:14,613 --> 00:25:20,093 Speaker 5: I said previously, as a nice Australian I worked with 405 00:25:20,173 --> 00:25:22,773 Speaker 5: him on the contry box. I didn't play cricket against 406 00:25:22,813 --> 00:25:23,573 Speaker 5: him because. 407 00:25:23,653 --> 00:25:24,693 Speaker 4: He was a little better than me. 408 00:25:26,093 --> 00:25:29,013 Speaker 5: But he was lovely to work in the country box. 409 00:25:29,413 --> 00:25:31,853 Speaker 5: He was thoughtful. He was the sort of person that 410 00:25:32,453 --> 00:25:34,293 Speaker 5: was prepared to listen to your views. Sometimes in the 411 00:25:34,293 --> 00:25:37,133 Speaker 5: comtry box they don't listen to your views. They just 412 00:25:37,133 --> 00:25:39,173 Speaker 5: want to get these across, and he was able to 413 00:25:39,533 --> 00:25:42,733 Speaker 5: share those thoughts. But as a player, Jeremy, you would 414 00:25:42,733 --> 00:25:47,573 Speaker 5: have played against them, I think in your early Test career, Yes. 415 00:25:47,413 --> 00:25:51,733 Speaker 4: I did, Wads. I have two little memories about Keith Stackpole, 416 00:25:52,173 --> 00:25:56,453 Speaker 4: very different kind of innings that he played I'll do this. 417 00:25:57,533 --> 00:26:00,213 Speaker 4: The quick one first, that was it was an Eden 418 00:26:00,293 --> 00:26:03,893 Speaker 4: park Richard Hadley bowling from the from the old Bank 419 00:26:04,173 --> 00:26:07,053 Speaker 4: end with all the steps going up, you remember those, 420 00:26:07,573 --> 00:26:14,373 Speaker 4: and first over of the Test match Australia batting had 421 00:26:14,493 --> 00:26:17,773 Speaker 4: lee to stackpole about the third ball was terrible over 422 00:26:17,813 --> 00:26:22,693 Speaker 4: from Richard, but in fact both my memories had that 423 00:26:23,133 --> 00:26:26,013 Speaker 4: it was a terrible over. But he got a full 424 00:26:26,133 --> 00:26:30,693 Speaker 4: toss about head high'd be about three no balls nowadays, 425 00:26:31,533 --> 00:26:34,173 Speaker 4: but a head high, full stop, full top, full toss 426 00:26:34,253 --> 00:26:37,933 Speaker 4: and he he steered it to John Parker who was 427 00:26:37,973 --> 00:26:44,533 Speaker 4: still awake, and he called it's well, it was the 428 00:26:44,573 --> 00:26:48,413 Speaker 4: first over. It was the first over of the Test. Yeah, 429 00:26:48,493 --> 00:26:53,493 Speaker 4: and he caught it so so yeah. He departed for 430 00:26:53,573 --> 00:26:57,573 Speaker 4: nought and that was might have been pretty close to 431 00:26:57,613 --> 00:27:00,133 Speaker 4: his last innings and tests I think for Australia. The 432 00:27:00,173 --> 00:27:02,653 Speaker 4: other one is my my first Test match. I was 433 00:27:02,773 --> 00:27:05,853 Speaker 4: a twelfth man over at the mcg and this was 434 00:27:05,893 --> 00:27:09,293 Speaker 4: after twenty seven years Australia had not played New Zealand, 435 00:27:09,733 --> 00:27:13,653 Speaker 4: the difference between nineteen forty six and nineteen seventy three 436 00:27:14,173 --> 00:27:18,773 Speaker 4: and r J was bowling again. Ossie batting r J 437 00:27:18,973 --> 00:27:23,293 Speaker 4: off his long run up in those days to Keith Stackpole. 438 00:27:23,373 --> 00:27:25,973 Speaker 4: The first ball was short. I was sitting in the 439 00:27:26,093 --> 00:27:32,053 Speaker 4: changing room watching four without loss. Then Hadley came in 440 00:27:32,093 --> 00:27:37,133 Speaker 4: again to Stackpole eight not out Stackpole. The third ball 441 00:27:37,253 --> 00:27:42,093 Speaker 4: another one short Australia twelve without loss, and the fourth 442 00:27:42,133 --> 00:27:48,653 Speaker 4: ball short and top edge. Nice simple cats to cover point. 443 00:27:49,293 --> 00:27:52,813 Speaker 4: Now everyone started looking who was at cover point? No 444 00:27:52,933 --> 00:28:00,093 Speaker 4: one at cover however, was Mike Shrimpton MJK. Shrimpton, Central 445 00:28:00,133 --> 00:28:04,853 Speaker 4: District's Snippet Exactly. There was a name supplied by our 446 00:28:04,893 --> 00:28:08,053 Speaker 4: team to someone who was given the task of going 447 00:28:08,053 --> 00:28:11,213 Speaker 4: through all the newspaper reports at the end of the 448 00:28:11,333 --> 00:28:15,733 Speaker 4: day and cutting out and pasting that report into a scrapbook, 449 00:28:16,653 --> 00:28:18,893 Speaker 4: and that became the record of the tour that we 450 00:28:18,933 --> 00:28:22,453 Speaker 4: took back to New Zealand cricket. So Snippett was there. 451 00:28:23,293 --> 00:28:28,413 Speaker 4: He was slow to move and Brian Hastings in the 452 00:28:28,453 --> 00:28:31,853 Speaker 4: gully thought that he wasn't going to attempt the catch 453 00:28:32,133 --> 00:28:33,893 Speaker 4: it was. It was just one of those ones just 454 00:28:33,973 --> 00:28:38,053 Speaker 4: up in the air. Come on, catch that, and so 455 00:28:39,293 --> 00:28:43,733 Speaker 4: Brian Hastings starts to move and have a crack. Now 456 00:28:43,853 --> 00:28:49,933 Speaker 4: Snippet thinks he can get there. Well, they collide inevitably, 457 00:28:51,213 --> 00:28:56,773 Speaker 4: and Keith Stackpole remains twelve not out and the chance 458 00:28:56,813 --> 00:29:00,133 Speaker 4: has dropped. And there's nothing like the silence of a 459 00:29:00,213 --> 00:29:05,693 Speaker 4: drop catch after three fours, I can tell you. And 460 00:29:06,293 --> 00:29:09,853 Speaker 4: I do remember one thing though, that him out. He 461 00:29:09,933 --> 00:29:12,293 Speaker 4: hit a ball wide of Midon. He used to drive 462 00:29:12,373 --> 00:29:14,293 Speaker 4: through the offside, but it used to go wide of 463 00:29:14,333 --> 00:29:19,213 Speaker 4: mid On. And we had a guy called Dave O'Sullivan again, 464 00:29:20,733 --> 00:29:25,133 Speaker 4: a man from Central Districts, Daffy. Well, Daffy thought he 465 00:29:25,173 --> 00:29:28,093 Speaker 4: had stopped the single, he'd cut it off, but it 466 00:29:28,133 --> 00:29:30,613 Speaker 4: was too quick for him and he fell in behind 467 00:29:30,693 --> 00:29:33,973 Speaker 4: it and he started following it to one of the 468 00:29:34,053 --> 00:29:37,613 Speaker 4: longer boundaries on the MCG which was right to the 469 00:29:37,613 --> 00:29:41,333 Speaker 4: fence in the pockets. And it was one of those 470 00:29:41,373 --> 00:29:43,373 Speaker 4: ones where the ball and the man were traveling at 471 00:29:43,373 --> 00:29:48,813 Speaker 4: the same speed. He wasn't gaining and it stopped. The 472 00:29:48,853 --> 00:29:51,653 Speaker 4: ball stopped about I don't know, five six feet from 473 00:29:51,693 --> 00:29:55,813 Speaker 4: the boundary, and he caught up with it. And whether 474 00:29:55,893 --> 00:29:59,493 Speaker 4: it was from the chase or he was overcome by 475 00:29:59,493 --> 00:30:02,253 Speaker 4: the run, he picked it up. We were willing him 476 00:30:02,293 --> 00:30:06,493 Speaker 4: to kick it over and he turned and the vast 477 00:30:06,493 --> 00:30:09,613 Speaker 4: distance confronted him. Now he had to throw it. There's 478 00:30:09,613 --> 00:30:13,653 Speaker 4: one thing slower than Daffy's run, and that's his throw. 479 00:30:14,373 --> 00:30:18,133 Speaker 4: And he let go this tragic, kind of feeble little 480 00:30:18,213 --> 00:30:24,253 Speaker 4: jerk of his arm, and the crowd hooted, and Brian 481 00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:26,773 Speaker 4: Hastings once again had to go and tidy it up. 482 00:30:27,373 --> 00:30:30,453 Speaker 4: But it was only a play within a play. I 483 00:30:30,573 --> 00:30:33,493 Speaker 4: was watching from the dressing room. I could see Daffy, 484 00:30:34,253 --> 00:30:37,333 Speaker 4: I could see the ball, and I could also see 485 00:30:37,413 --> 00:30:42,413 Speaker 4: Ian Chapel and Keith Stackpole hairing up and down in 486 00:30:42,493 --> 00:30:47,373 Speaker 4: the middle of the ground. They turned for eight. They 487 00:30:47,453 --> 00:30:53,893 Speaker 4: turned for eight, and Stackpole was almost being lapped by 488 00:30:54,053 --> 00:31:01,133 Speaker 4: Chapel and his Stackpole was in serious oxygen debt. And 489 00:31:02,533 --> 00:31:05,493 Speaker 4: Snippet came on and he bowled a little leg break 490 00:31:06,173 --> 00:31:08,533 Speaker 4: to Stackpole about an over later, and he tried had 491 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:11,933 Speaker 4: to hit it into Brisbane and he got He got 492 00:31:11,933 --> 00:31:16,093 Speaker 4: a top edge and John Parker again that slip took 493 00:31:16,133 --> 00:31:18,693 Speaker 4: the catch. But it was one of those edges that 494 00:31:18,853 --> 00:31:20,893 Speaker 4: wasn't a sort of bounce and turn and I'll take 495 00:31:20,933 --> 00:31:22,853 Speaker 4: it nicely at first slip. It was a top edge 496 00:31:22,853 --> 00:31:26,373 Speaker 4: from a sweep. So that's how I remember him getting 497 00:31:26,373 --> 00:31:28,573 Speaker 4: out again. But Stacky was a lovely guy to play 498 00:31:28,773 --> 00:31:34,133 Speaker 4: He was a typical Australian wadds quite noisy, brash, but 499 00:31:34,333 --> 00:31:36,893 Speaker 4: also as you say, decent guy. 500 00:31:37,653 --> 00:31:38,653 Speaker 3: Yeah, likable guy. 501 00:31:38,973 --> 00:31:41,533 Speaker 5: I just got to correct you on your memory, Jerry. 502 00:31:42,133 --> 00:31:45,653 Speaker 5: That Parker, that Parker catch was actually the first ball 503 00:31:45,733 --> 00:31:46,253 Speaker 5: of the Test? 504 00:31:47,013 --> 00:31:48,213 Speaker 4: Oh was it? First ball? 505 00:31:48,693 --> 00:31:50,493 Speaker 5: Yeah? First ball of the Test? He was out for 506 00:31:50,493 --> 00:31:53,293 Speaker 5: a pair in his final Test. And it was the 507 00:31:53,893 --> 00:31:57,253 Speaker 5: one of two occasions that Hadley took a wicket with 508 00:31:57,293 --> 00:31:59,813 Speaker 5: the first ball in a Test. Mess you know when 509 00:31:59,813 --> 00:32:04,573 Speaker 5: the other one was. It was in Napier against India 510 00:32:05,173 --> 00:32:08,733 Speaker 5: when he dismissed a guy called Vookery Rahman first ball 511 00:32:08,773 --> 00:32:12,693 Speaker 5: of the Test match open in that Test match. And 512 00:32:13,373 --> 00:32:16,093 Speaker 5: I'm sure you've heard Ian Smith's lovely story about that 513 00:32:16,133 --> 00:32:17,973 Speaker 5: Test miss. If you haven't, we'll get him on one 514 00:32:18,013 --> 00:32:21,093 Speaker 5: day when we've got forty five minutes to spare to 515 00:32:22,253 --> 00:32:27,413 Speaker 5: relate the story. And most did you play against the 516 00:32:27,453 --> 00:32:28,853 Speaker 5: second No? 517 00:32:28,853 --> 00:32:32,173 Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm just the young chaplain in comparison, 518 00:32:32,213 --> 00:32:37,653 Speaker 3: but I did play with both Mike Shrimpton and David 519 00:32:37,693 --> 00:32:42,013 Speaker 3: O'Sullivan and Jerry is quite correct. In order to get 520 00:32:42,053 --> 00:32:43,733 Speaker 3: the ball back and it would have been had to 521 00:32:43,773 --> 00:32:46,973 Speaker 3: have been relayed back in from the boundary for Dave 522 00:32:47,013 --> 00:32:51,973 Speaker 3: because it wasn't known for for the fielding and speed 523 00:32:52,493 --> 00:32:55,493 Speaker 3: and power of arm. It's fair to say, damn fine 524 00:32:55,533 --> 00:32:58,813 Speaker 3: bola though damn fine bowler. Let's let's not forget that 525 00:32:59,453 --> 00:33:02,693 Speaker 3: very good and trump I could back were it not 526 00:33:02,813 --> 00:33:05,373 Speaker 3: for the demons in his head some time. 527 00:33:05,213 --> 00:33:12,973 Speaker 5: To time, interesting stuff, lovely reminiscences of Keith Stackpole. And 528 00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:17,933 Speaker 5: I don't know about Peter Hollins's view of David Oslim 529 00:33:17,973 --> 00:33:20,893 Speaker 5: at the times when he was determined. Some people would 530 00:33:20,893 --> 00:33:24,293 Speaker 5: say he basically helped the ball with a bit of 531 00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:26,893 Speaker 5: a jerky arm. I'm not sure whether that ever came 532 00:33:26,973 --> 00:33:29,733 Speaker 5: up in his but Colin Munro would have been there 533 00:33:29,773 --> 00:33:32,173 Speaker 5: to point it out for him, because he pointed that 534 00:33:32,253 --> 00:33:35,173 Speaker 5: out against one of the sides. He was playing in 535 00:33:35,213 --> 00:33:39,773 Speaker 5: the Pakistan Premier League or whatever they call it, and 536 00:33:39,813 --> 00:33:44,093 Speaker 5: got himself fined thirty percent because he took the umpire 537 00:33:44,133 --> 00:33:47,773 Speaker 5: on and he was abusive in his own way to 538 00:33:48,413 --> 00:33:50,973 Speaker 5: a Pakistan player called if the car armored, suggesting he 539 00:33:51,053 --> 00:33:54,413 Speaker 5: might have toss it at him. But those are the 540 00:33:54,453 --> 00:33:56,653 Speaker 5: things that happened in cricket. I'm sure you remember all 541 00:33:56,693 --> 00:34:01,493 Speaker 5: those days. Anybody throw one at you you saw David. 542 00:34:02,893 --> 00:34:04,893 Speaker 4: David Gower, but I think I was at the non 543 00:34:05,533 --> 00:34:08,693 Speaker 4: non striker's end, but I even saw it from there. 544 00:34:10,373 --> 00:34:14,013 Speaker 4: It was a fairly obvious and blatant one, I've got 545 00:34:14,013 --> 00:34:16,693 Speaker 4: to say. To finish the game at trent Bridge. 546 00:34:18,013 --> 00:34:21,453 Speaker 5: And what about you, Peter, did you determine that somebody 547 00:34:21,493 --> 00:34:23,773 Speaker 5: threw it you and wasn't called? 548 00:34:24,333 --> 00:34:28,373 Speaker 3: It was interesting because in around the time that that, yeah, 549 00:34:28,573 --> 00:34:31,253 Speaker 3: I started playing in the first class, there were a 550 00:34:31,253 --> 00:34:34,813 Speaker 3: few people around and there were words that all their 551 00:34:34,933 --> 00:34:38,013 Speaker 3: actions a bit a bit, a bit tricky, you guys 552 00:34:38,373 --> 00:34:43,613 Speaker 3: obviously of Bartlet, Jim Michael, Girl, the guy girl, that's 553 00:34:43,653 --> 00:34:44,573 Speaker 3: who I'm thinking of. 554 00:34:47,573 --> 00:34:50,133 Speaker 5: Goodness great well, So there. 555 00:34:50,053 --> 00:34:52,813 Speaker 3: Were a few around, but there seems to be less 556 00:34:52,813 --> 00:34:55,733 Speaker 3: of an issue these days, I think. Monroe, though, you 557 00:34:55,733 --> 00:34:58,013 Speaker 3: wouldn't want to have a poke at someone in Pakistan 558 00:34:58,053 --> 00:35:01,333 Speaker 3: and the Pakistan Pakistani and the Pakistan Lega, I'm not 559 00:35:01,373 --> 00:35:03,453 Speaker 3: sure about being that being very wise. 560 00:35:05,253 --> 00:35:08,253 Speaker 5: Indeed, well, it costumes thirty percent of costs for Risban 561 00:35:08,533 --> 00:35:14,213 Speaker 5: who was supporting if DECA in that exchange that got 562 00:35:14,373 --> 00:35:16,493 Speaker 5: done for thirty percent, and Chris Brown, of course was 563 00:35:16,533 --> 00:35:18,333 Speaker 5: one of the empires and Gerald Umpire I had to 564 00:35:18,373 --> 00:35:19,973 Speaker 5: step and eat a big man, so he would have 565 00:35:20,293 --> 00:35:23,293 Speaker 5: kept them apart, wouldn't he. Thanks for joining us, guys. 566 00:35:23,333 --> 00:35:26,893 Speaker 5: We'll be watching with interest the progress of the MLC 567 00:35:27,693 --> 00:35:31,493 Speaker 5: and other things that come out in terms of the 568 00:35:31,493 --> 00:35:34,493 Speaker 5: the administration of the game, and I'll do my best 569 00:35:34,693 --> 00:35:37,293 Speaker 5: during the middle of the night to track down Lawrence 570 00:35:37,293 --> 00:35:38,373 Speaker 5: Burgency when he's. 571 00:35:38,533 --> 00:35:40,933 Speaker 4: Able to join the seat. Join us guys, See you 572 00:35:40,973 --> 00:35:48,333 Speaker 4: next week, Yeah summer. 573 00:35:55,133 --> 00:35:58,093 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks B listen live on air 574 00:35:58,253 --> 00:36:00,933 Speaker 1: or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you 575 00:36:01,013 --> 00:36:03,453 Speaker 1: go with our podcasts on IR Radio.