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Speaker 1: There is a scrap brewing between government's political parties and banks.

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Speaker 1: Right so, the fossil fuel industry is increasingly worried about

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Speaker 1: the attitude of banks towards their industry. Peter Dutton, who

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Speaker 1: might well be the new Prime Minister in Australia in

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Speaker 1: a couple of months cause banks woke, wants them to

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Speaker 1: trick coal and oil and gas like any other business.

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Speaker 1: Resources Minister here has jumped on board and there's now

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Speaker 1: talk of a member's bill to force the banks here

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Speaker 1: to play ball Resources ministers of course Shane Jones.

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Speaker 2: As well this morning bonding folks.

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Speaker 1: Is there a problem here, a real tangible problem here?

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Speaker 1: Is this just a theory that banks aren't playing ball?

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Speaker 2: Well, not tomorrow and why he Corrimandel. I'll be giving

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Speaker 2: a critical speech and I'll highlight actual examples where mineral

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Speaker 2: firms are being debanked by these groupies, climate groupies that

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Speaker 2: have infested our banks, driven by this false ideology coming

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Speaker 2: out of the United Nations. This is not something new

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Speaker 2: I campaigned against this. I actually said during the last

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Speaker 2: campaign that New Zealand First would not be frog marched

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Speaker 2: to the altar of climate cultism. And this is an

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Speaker 2: upper unity to reinforce it ensure that companies that are

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Speaker 2: legitimately engaged in regional economies aren't juvenile existence by these

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Speaker 2: corporate undertakers in the banking sector.

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Speaker 1: The banking sector has already got problems with your government

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Speaker 1: around margins and the Commerce Commission and all of that.

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Speaker 1: Do they really need a fight like this.

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Speaker 2: Or who brought this garbage to the table New Zealand

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Speaker 2: At Fursten The banks themselves are writing letters threatening to

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Speaker 2: dbank god fearing regional businesses. They have no options in

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Speaker 2: terms of transactional banking. They are not breaking any commercial

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Speaker 2: they are not breaking any financial they are not breaking

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Speaker 2: any statutory law. What they are doing is offending the

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Speaker 2: luxury beliefs of these directors and executives and their chemtrail

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Speaker 2: ways are wandering around the world spouting about climate chains

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Speaker 2: whilst driving regional New Zealand to penury. I've got every

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Speaker 2: right to take them.

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Speaker 1: Mob is are the banks and hoots on this is

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Speaker 1: at each of the major banks.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm astounded that even Kiwi Bank seems to have

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Speaker 2: swallowed the green ade here. I mean, if New Zealand

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Speaker 2: first had have known that Kiwibank was going to be

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Speaker 2: involved in this type of falsehood highly unlikely. We would

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Speaker 2: agreed for them to recapitalize on hoping that Kiwibank reconsiders

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Speaker 2: their position. Look, there's a market just about to say

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, just.

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Speaker 1: About the four majors. If the four majors want to

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Speaker 1: play that game, why doesn't another bank come in and

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Speaker 1: seize the day.

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously the Prime Minister and our Finance mist are

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Speaker 2: talking about competitiveness in the banks, the Alsie banks, the

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Speaker 2: Aussie owned banks, they take their instructions presumably from Australia

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Speaker 2: and all power to the hand of mister Dutton. But

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Speaker 2: the Kiwi Bank surely can see opportunity here to look

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Speaker 2: after Kiwi businesses. I mean, I'm going to tell everyone

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Speaker 2: on your program the coal industry is an honest, legitimate industry.

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Speaker 2: There was more coal fired power stations started in India

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Speaker 2: and China last year. There was more coal sold last

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Speaker 2: year than any other time. Because there's an immutable law.

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Speaker 2: People will back electricity before they back chilliness.

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Speaker 1: It is true. So it's fair enough to a bank,

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Speaker 1: so you'll get a cheap loan for a solar panel,

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Speaker 1: which is fine, but it's not acceptable if you can't

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Speaker 1: get money, if you want to run a legitimate business,

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Speaker 1: what legally can you do specifically to make them behave

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Speaker 1: if they're not?

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Speaker 2: Well? Obviously we've got a fivate members bill. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: every bank in New Zealand has to operate within a license.

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Speaker 2: Why on earth should a license be extended to an

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Speaker 2: ossie owned bank so they can come here and pose

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Speaker 2: their own warp to moral priorities, impose the luxury beliefs

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Speaker 2: on garden variety. Kiwis eking out in existence selling minerals

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Speaker 2: from regional New Zealand. What citizen mandated these culporate undertakers

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Speaker 2: to impose this system of belief upon us. They don't have, well,

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Speaker 2: they do have a moral superiority about them. This is

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Speaker 2: the hippos. They wander around the world, creating chemtrails, going

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Speaker 2: to these irrelevant talk fests. Anyway, climate change regulations in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand represent now a major deadway cost har economy

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Speaker 2: cannot afford.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that with the arrival of Trump and

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Speaker 1: that ideology, and potentially the arrival of Dutton and that ideology,

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Speaker 1: that this problem could solve itself.

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Speaker 2: I think so because the United States of America will

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Speaker 2: continue to reduce their challenges in relation to pollution. I mean,

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Speaker 2: climate change is not the only problem confronting New Zealand

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Speaker 2: and various other nations. We've got oes to other challenging,

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Speaker 2: challenging issues to deal with them. Unless we generate economics surplus,

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Speaker 2: unless we keep people employed, unless we maintain buoyancy and confidence,

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Speaker 2: we won't have the surplus to look after the climate.

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Speaker 2: I think that the high tide mark this climate group

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Speaker 2: think and all these group is infesting these sustainability units.

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Speaker 2: Is usefulness, is ab versity related to the ebb and

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Speaker 2: flow of capitalism and New Zealand as well, past its

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Speaker 2: high tide bucks.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of which, ironically and tired and the television news

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Speaker 1: obsessed themselves last night with your behavior, along with your

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Speaker 1: leader's behavior towards the Greens in general. Do you do

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Speaker 1: you stand down? Do you apologize? Do you double down?

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Speaker 1: What do you do?

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Speaker 2: No, it's a Mexican standalf Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: James Jones, Resources Minister.

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