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Speaker 1: to the Bespoke Daily podcast for the thirteenth of June

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: I'm back, baby, and I'm better than ever. You're back,

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Speaker 2: which is great to have you back. Mash needs to

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Speaker 2: go and take a dump. I do yes, I'll do that.

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Speaker 2: He's going to go and do that. He's going to

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Speaker 2: go and take a dump, and then we're going to

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Speaker 2: McCall in a moment from let's not do that.

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Speaker 1: Let's cause the last thing was the last thing I

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Speaker 1: was involved in was the worst thing we've ever done,

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Speaker 1: which was that spoon walk and knife debarcle. I thought,

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Speaker 1: are we trying to Are we trying to move this

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Speaker 1: Bespoke Daily podcast forward or backwards? What are we trying

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Speaker 1: to do here?

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Speaker 2: Well, firstly, I blame you for that. Secondly, the game

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Speaker 2: that we were playing after that, which was Pineapple, it's

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Speaker 2: not poor or Red Hot Poker. Yeah, it was so

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Speaker 2: much worse. Yeah, I was as terrible.

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Speaker 1: But I just think as a rule we could go

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Speaker 1: for some more ci sophisticated content.

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Speaker 2: Both possible.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're running like we're running a really schizophrenic

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Speaker 1: podcast here on the Daily Bespoke. I mean the radio

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Speaker 1: highlights pot is pretty much straight up the line, you know,

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Speaker 1: pretty schizophrenic. Sometimes we're doing full true crime investigations. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: we're talking to Graham Norton. Sometimes we're talking about putting

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Speaker 1: fork spoons and knives up our backsides.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yesterday we just about had a sexual assault live

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Speaker 2: on the radio as Lauren Mesh, his partner, came on

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Speaker 2: the show Jesus and nearly being in a game of

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Speaker 2: gay checking with her. I don't know if you ever

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Speaker 2: played gay checken before, but gay checking is when two

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Speaker 2: guys steer at each other and you get closer and

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Speaker 2: closer and closer and together until your pesh. Someone has

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Speaker 2: to pull out and that's the chicken. And then you

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Speaker 2: did that with Lauren.

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Speaker 3: Jerry was trying to organize that for the radio show today.

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Speaker 3: He was trying to organize an hour of gay chicken

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Speaker 3: where him and Lauren and then you and Lauren, and

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Speaker 3: then rute It and Lauren have a round robin of

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Speaker 3: gay chicken, and then for some reason, I don't get

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Speaker 2: I'm not pulling out a gay chicken with Lauren. No, no,

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Speaker 2: this is okay. So now you're a fucking exhibit A. See.

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Speaker 2: I knew he'd want to be in it too. It's

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Speaker 2: a good idea. We're not doing another podcast on this,

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Speaker 2: so we all do a round robin and then this

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Speaker 2: is why I can't have sick days.

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Speaker 1: This is why those are the first two sick days

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Speaker 1: they've ever taken. Because I'm away, and what happens. The

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Speaker 1: gay Chicken will play. That's what happens when Matt's away,

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Speaker 1: The gay Chicken will play. That's what they say. That's

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Speaker 1: a new saying that's going to take over that other one.

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Speaker 2: I'm gutted that Lauren never came under play gay Checken.

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Speaker 2: We're meant to play at five plus seven this morning

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Speaker 2: on the normal show, on the radio show. You know,

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Speaker 2: it was gutting that she couldn't make it in this morning.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where she.

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Speaker 1: Was, No, but I don't think it like, how is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the questions I was asking Matt. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: it's just Laura. That's just Lauren running away and making

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Speaker 2: When I asked him what you said?

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, Lauren, how about you dressed up in some

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Speaker 2: Let's just say Lauren was into it. She was. She

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Speaker 2: was the most into it out of everyone. That's not true.

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Speaker 2: Was she here? She was in here? Yes, you sitting?

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Speaker 2: What was she where I'm sitting? Yeah? Oh god, how

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Speaker 2: you smell? It? Was Lauren sitting here. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: when I get back. We're not talking about gay chicken.

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Speaker 2: That's quite quite hot. It was. It was actually really hot. Wow,

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Speaker 2: it was really hot. You guys didn't tell me that.

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Speaker 1: On knew I had a bit of a it was

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Speaker 2: It was you know, she was Look, it was the

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Speaker 2: greatest part about it, was it. She was really into it.

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Speaker 2: She was the most into it out of everyone. Was

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Speaker 1: Mentioned onto it essentially walked out of the room.

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Speaker 2: He's not he just wasn't onto it.

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Speaker 1: As I just saw my reflection over there and I thought,

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Speaker 1: who's that wounder? And then I realized it was me

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Speaker 1: because I forgot that I was wearing a Dunedin Sharks

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Speaker 2: I know what you mean. Sometimes I catch myself on

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Speaker 2: reflection and who's that dick? That's me? Yeah, you're disappointing

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Speaker 2: with the gay chicken anyway? Really you mean to organize that? Yeah.

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Speaker 4: radio show today, mainly around that weird principle that got

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Speaker 4: into trouble. But Matt, I think another thing about the

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Speaker 4: gay chicken was to make to a whole nother thing

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Speaker 4: on the gay chicken, but to make sure that it

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Speaker 4: She was going to be called Lorri and have to

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, she was most excited about.

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Speaker 1: I got to say, let's talk about a lambrah.

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Speaker 2: Excuse a lambra? Who's a lambra?

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Speaker 1: Oh's the Dunedin Sharks anyway.

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Speaker 1: They think about seeing yourself in reflection and thinking what

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Speaker 1: a wounded that self? Hatred and It's purest, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: If you're if you're walking down a road, and have

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Speaker 2: I've been so steamed that I've been talking to people

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Speaker 2: it's there's a number of times when I've been having

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, no, one.

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Speaker 1: But a friend that took to Jura once and then

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Speaker 1: he ended up in a prison cell and and he

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Speaker 1: he said, do you know the weirdest thing is that

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Speaker 2: The whole time.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the whole time they were there. And then

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Speaker 1: who were in christ Church all right, and they said

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Speaker 2: Has anyone ever had a good time on daychura? Have

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Speaker 2: you ever heard of anybody like a single a single person,

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Speaker 1: I once made a a short film called Datura Flowers

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Speaker 1: from the Garden of Hell. Yeah, because Datua is just

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Speaker 1: such a bad time. It's interesting because his drugs about

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Speaker 1: that you can take that will really like you know,

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Speaker 1: we we we make some drugs illegal. The police fly

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Speaker 1: around trying to shut them down. There's arrests, but then

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Speaker 1: daye sua, which which is the worst possible. Yeah, sorry,

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Speaker 1: mesh got a shoe right in your face. It's just

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Speaker 1: just growing on bloody trees.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody seems to be on a mesh. Hey, ever

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Speaker 2: got on the day tura? No, don't really, I've never

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Speaker 2: I had a day chair plant growing in my back

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Speaker 2: it next to the marijuana plant? No? No, I never

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Speaker 2: the day chura. It was an old day chura plant

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Speaker 2: day tura, just because it was a kind of an

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Speaker 1: Because day tura like readily available and non secured, just

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Speaker 1: such a bad drug and such a bad hallucinogen. You know,

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Speaker 1: people are desperately foraging around from mushrooms, they're buying acids,

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Speaker 1: kid to mean, they're doing all these kind of things.

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Speaker 1: But everyone just knows that detu is just a it's

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Speaker 1: just a shitter loucinogen. Yeah, it must excite the ship

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Speaker 2: Is anyone into Has anyone tried cactus here? Yeah? Good disgusting? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but very odd time.

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Speaker 1: I ended up in a maze, but a real or no,

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Speaker 1: I turned out. I was just crawling around in the

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Speaker 1: this mazed. I couldn't get out of and it was

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Speaker 1: like a hedge maze, but it was there was actually

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Speaker 1: a very small line of hedge. But that that that

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Speaker 1: turned into a massive situation and you.

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Speaker 2: Could get out of it, couldn't get out. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: sound good. No, it wasn't good. No. I never had

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Speaker 2: that stuff.

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Speaker 1: But what I always wonder in those situations when you've

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Speaker 1: taken an allucinogen is why you believe that the stuff is

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Speaker 1: real and you know that you've taken an allusagen.

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Speaker 2: Because now there's a reason for that. It's because it's

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Speaker 2: essentially it's just going through a different sign It's all

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Speaker 2: the information is going through different signaps, right, So it's

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Speaker 2: all the same information because it's all coming in your eyes,

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Speaker 2: but it's just the way that your brain has dealt

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Speaker 2: with the information inside to send it through a completely

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Speaker 2: different path.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because it's like when you've had two bottles

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Speaker 1: of wine and you're drunk. You don't go weird, Why

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Speaker 1: am I yeah?

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Speaker 2: Falling over? You go, oh, that'll be the wine I've drunk. Yes,

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Speaker 2: It feels more appropriate. You know. That's why you're supposed

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Speaker 2: But you're throwing at theory. I guess. Really, you're throwing

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Speaker 1: You immediately go that's fixed now, Now why when actually,

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Speaker 1: shape of my boobs.

435
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's kind of like even that.

436
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 1: We are always trying to change ourselves a little bit,

437
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,120
Speaker 1: aren't we, And that's arguable because I'm not. I wasn't

438
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: happy with especially that there was the one shot of

439
00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 1: me climbing out of a shark's mouth and one of

440
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,719
Speaker 1: my boobs came forward in a really odd way. I

441
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 1: remember that photo and then Kate Briton posted it everywhere

442
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: to shame me. Yeah, to be old if I did

443
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: that to her, you know, like if I'd take a

444
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: picture of one of her boobs, and they posted it everywhere, you'd.

445
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 2: Probably be fired. I reckon you'd be fired. Those bodies,

446
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 2: you know, like on Love Island and stuff. So those

447
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 2: guys that have those bodies, so do you reckon that

448
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 2: they're happy with their bodies, but they always want their

449
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 2: bodies to be even better than what they are. I

450
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: reckon that's a slippery slope too. I don't think you

451
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 2: could ever be completely satisfied once you go down that road,

452
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 2: you're like, I could be better. But if you if

453
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: you take it.

454
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: Back to the thing you're talking about with Diehinwood before,

455
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: it really puts things in perspective. If you go people

456
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: wanting to change their body and then you've got someone

457
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: that has cancer within them, and then it kind of

458
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: totally puts things in perspective, doesn't it Like that's something

459
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: you might want to change. Not having cancer, you know,

460
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 1: that might be something that you really want to change.

461
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 1: And yet we be in their whole lives worrying about

462
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: things that are just I'm not quite this, I'm not

463
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: quite that. And yeah, I mean I don't know how

464
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 1: you solve that problem because I don't think people can

465
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 1: really put their head into get their head around what

466
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 1: it would mean to have something inside you that was

467
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: killing you. Yeah, I mean, if you know like I mean,

468
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: but perspective is something. Have you heard of those the

469
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: Guinea Pig Club, which is that New Zealand plastic surgery

470
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: and plastic surgeon. In World War Two, he went over

471
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: to the and he started this ward and performed plastic

472
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: surgery on the pilots that had had their faces burned

473
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: off because you know, back in World War Two, all

474
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: the fuel was at the front of the planes because

475
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: that's where the engines were, and so whenever they crashed,

476
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: it basically burnt people's faces off. So he had these

477
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: people with no faces on, like just they would come

478
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: to him with no faces. And he was an incredible

479
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: plastic surgeon that he discovered that when people fell in

480
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: salt water, they actually faces came out better. And so

481
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: from that he worked out and he started like having

482
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: people so so consult water, invented all these other these

483
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: techniques to deal with their faces and stuff. But the

484
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: one thing that he did that really made a difference

485
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: was to get them to just go out in public

486
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: or how they looked. And he had take them out

487
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: personally for drinks in public and just take them to

488
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: face that they were what they were, and it was

489
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: because everyone before then, everyone like that, had just hid

490
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: it away. They sort of became like, you know, like

491
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: the phantoms of the opera, and you know that they

492
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: became freaks that went away in.

493
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: This and asks.

494
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: I think his name was Archibald Macendo or something like that,

495
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: great New Zealander, but he and then they formed this

496
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: thing called the Guinea Pig Club where they just became

497
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: a social club where they just went out with their

498
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: mutated faces and they talk to people. And in New Zealand,

499
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: this was in the UK. He went over the UK

500
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: to do it, and it was a small town that

501
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: that that the hospital was in. And then these people

502
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: were just out everywhere and facing the public and having

503
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: drinks and right for the rest of their life, they'd

504
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: always get back together with the Skinning Pick Club and

505
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: many of them met partners and wives and they just

506
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: became able to deal with people staring at them. And

507
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: it just strikes me, you know when you see that,

508
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: so these people everyone's worrying about the way they look,

509
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: and these guys literally had no face.

510
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: That's amazing because if you're really, if you're completely honest

511
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: with yourself, like completely honest, and you say, okay, if

512
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: you met someone and their face was completely you know,

513
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: yeah morphed, you know, from some kind of accident or

514
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: something that something, are what are the chances that you

515
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: would fall in love and go out with that person? Yeah?

516
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: I mean if you're completely honest with yourself, yes, slim slim,

517
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: you know, and you like to I like to think

518
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: of myself as a person who doesn't judge people on

519
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: their appearance. Yeah, but I got it. If I'm completely

520
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: honesome stuff, it would be bloody slim. Yeah. So those

521
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 2: people are brave people. Yeah, men, they're brave people. It's

522
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: very impressive. Yeah.

523
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: He kind of made it their thing to be brave

524
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: about it.

525
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 2: And in that.

526
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: Town, I can't remember what the town's called. It's it's

527
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: a small It was a small town, but they know

528
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: it was a very small town, but they Liverpool no smaller.

529
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: But they made the sign saying they were the town

530
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: that did not that they didn't stare. That's what the

531
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: town got called because they didn't stare. But his point

532
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: was do steer and just deal in them. Have a lock, yeah,

533
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: because because the worst the worst part is that you

534
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: disappear Joe.

535
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: He's a very good person to talk to about this

536
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 3: type of thing. And I'm not sure if you'll be

537
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 3: stoked about the fact that I'm mentioning this, but g

538
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: Lane a joke at his expense before about the breast

539
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: that he was growing on his head for a long time.

540
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: And we're mates, luckily, and that's how we get to

541
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: do that kind of thing, and we've got a good

542
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: enough relationship. But that was a very fascinating thing for him,

543
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: as I've had a couple of deep yarns to him

544
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: about what it's like. He went from nothing wrong with

545
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: his face to something very very roll with his face,

546
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: and he had to he was struggling for a long

547
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: time going out in public because all of a sudden

548
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: he's worried about these things on his face and people

549
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: looking at him and stuff like that. And it's the

550
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 3: same kind of thing as what happens in the skinea Pig.

551
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: He embraced it. I thought he did it very well.

552
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: He did very impressed with that. He just he just

553
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: embraced it and went full on into it.

554
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: He said that that was a conscious decision early on, though,

555
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: as he did say, and he talked to your partner

556
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 3: about it and said, you know what, let's challenged this.

557
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 3: Just go I'm going to go out early with us

558
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 3: and make sure I like the Guinea Pig Club and

559
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: give it a good crack, and then hopefully after a

560
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: while it's just as what it is. And now they're

561
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: going obviously s it's a bit different, but yeah.

562
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean phenomenal, because yeah, it's the same

563
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: kind of thing, like you could just hide away and

564
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: no one would blame you for it to just to

565
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm sure he's got health insurance he

566
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: could have had. You know, there'd be ways that he

567
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: could have just hidden away, but he just kept going

568
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: through a power of work and right through that stuff.

569
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: I reckon what Glane did through that stuff kind of

570
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: blows my mind. Ye, Like it must have been just

571
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: having the pain of it, having not just the pain,

572
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: but the awkwardness and never feeling comfortable, looking really different.

573
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: And it's one thing for people that know him, it's

574
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: another people that for people that didn't know him. You know,

575
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: he's dropping kids off at school, doing all that that

576
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: kind of stuff.

577
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: A couple of people made Joe I was in a

578
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: meeting once and those people made jokes because he was

579
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: wearing a beanie and you know when he had the

580
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: he had and he had these it looked like he

581
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: had horns growing out of it. And this person made

582
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 2: a joke about it. He goes, nah, just growing and

583
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: he whipped off his beani and he's like, I'm just

584
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: crying breasts out the top of my head. And this

585
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: person did not know what to do. Yeah, it was

586
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: like and he did another thing. Sorry, I've just had

587
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: I've said something something about answer, and the person was

588
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: just they made a joke, and they went from thinking

589
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: that they had made a joke and that they were

590
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: great to feeling griends so quickly. But it was but

591
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: he did it in a really funny way. Yeah, but

592
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: it was. It's great to watch.

593
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: Glane wasn't afraid to weaponize. It was good weaponized. I

594
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: feel bad because me and Gelane were him seeing this

595
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: thing in Queenstown and and someone sort of he was

596
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: wearing a beanie and I didn't realize how sensitive he

597
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: was about it, because not that he was sensitive about it,

598
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: but I didn't realize there was a sort of a boundary.

599
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: And and and we were on stage and someone was

600
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: asking something and I said, oh, well, Gelane's got these

601
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: terrible scars, and I you know, I thought we could

602
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: talk about it. And I said, oh, should show them

603
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: your scars, Glane, and he was like, I'm not showing

604
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: anyone because it was because it wasn't because and I

605
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: know I understand now that what it was was it's

606
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: not for me. It was for him to show them.

607
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: It's not for me to make him show them or something.

608
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: I got that wrong. But also I think there's sometimes

609
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: you know what it's like like in certain moments of

610
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: your life, you feel more vulnerable than other moments, Like

611
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: there are sometimes when you can totally deal with the job, yeah, yeah, yeah,

612
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: and then there's some days when you can't deal with

613
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: the job. Understand, that's why you've got to let it

614
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: to be on their terms. Yeah, And you never know

615
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: what the person's going through, how the person's state is,

616
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: or what they've had to deal with in the moments

617
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: before that. You know, you might have just been through

618
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: three or four things that may have been really really

619
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: full on. You might be at a low ebb and

620
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: all of a sudden someone comes through with a joke

621
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: and you're not quite you don't have the strength at

622
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: that moment to deal with it, and then sometimes you

623
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: might totally have the strength to deal with it. But

624
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: it's all my experience. It will depend on what's happened

625
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: leading into that moment.

626
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I kind of thought us calling Gulane Tit's

627
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: lane was like a way to go. We know, we

628
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: don't care. Yeah, you're still just the same guy that's

629
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: ripped the shit out of us, and we rip the

630
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: shit out of each other. And I knew that you

631
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: not expect the same treatment, you know.

632
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes sometimes you're up for the gag and sometimes

633
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: you're not. It's one of those weird things. Well, it's

634
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: a bit different when you're in die situation, you know,

635
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: Oh totally and lanes of that matter as well. I

636
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: found both those guys. I find it very impressive. I

637
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: mean I was impressed by those guys anyway before all

638
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: that happened, but the way that they both have dealt

639
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: with that, Yeah, kind of different situations, but I find

640
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: it inspiring. Yeah, and gives great context to any to

641
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: life basically.

642
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, You've got to enjoy try and enjoy

643
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: the times you've got because wherever you are, it's probably

644
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: only going to get worse. Things, things tend towards getting worse,

645
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: and horrific stuff could happen at any time, and then

646
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: you could sit back and go, well, jeez, I wasn't God.

647
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: I had a good and didn't I failed to enjoy it?

648
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Jimmy Carr said something really interesting the

649
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: other day. He goes, talk to anyone think yourself thirty

650
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: years from now, and ask that person what would you

651
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Speaker 1: give to be back where you are now? And there's

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Speaker 1: not a single person that wouldn't go I would go back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, because because what you have now is better

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Speaker 1: than what you haven't. Well, you know, like how you

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Speaker 1: are now is better than it will be in thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That's such an interesting idea that it's so much

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Speaker 2: that you could also translate into what's going on New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: But I don't reckon you get to that point till

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Speaker 2: you're in the middle age. Yeah, because when you're mashes age,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to go back to being twelve. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's true, when he'd be going back to being dead.

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Speaker 2: When you're twenty four, you don't want to go back

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Speaker 2: to seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that that's true. And and and also you'd say,

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Speaker 1: if you've had kids in the middle, you wouldn't want

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Speaker 1: to go back to not have the kid. No.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it doesn't quite work. It kind of works

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Speaker 2: when you when you're going forward to seventy or eighty,

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Speaker 2: I reckon, there's a moment I think there's an age,

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Speaker 2: and I reckon, I'm going to say it's forty three. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're all of forty five, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: you would go to go back twenty years. You know,

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Speaker 2: that'd be quite a good time, Whereas before that you're like, no,

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Speaker 2: I'd rather not go back to those times.

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Speaker 1: Because you can't get to pubsn and you can't make

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Speaker 1: love to the partner of your choice.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah. Or I can't play gay chicken with meshes

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Speaker 2: with LORR. No, you can'try. You can't. That's right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can play gay chicken anyway.

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Speaker 2: No, you can't. That's what I think. You man, what

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Speaker 2: about if he's dressed in cricket gear with a.

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Speaker 5: Mustache, Well, he's a she's genderizing or Take four will

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Speaker 5: take a lot more than a mustache and cricket gear

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Speaker 5: for Lauren to not be Lauren and a.

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Speaker 2: Helmet and a helmet.

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Speaker 4: What if Lauren slash Laurie walks in in the next

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Speaker 4: five minutes and says, today, I'm identifying as a man.

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Speaker 4: Are we going to question that in twenty twenty four?

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I am. I think I think I was

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Speaker 2: impression I was dating a woman. Ye mess has got

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Speaker 2: skin in the game. Ever, I'm going to start asking questions.

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Speaker 2: She can do whatever she wants, obviously, but for me,

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Speaker 2: my interests are a little bit different. If she's decided

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Speaker 2: today that she's going to be a man, and she's

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Speaker 2: allowed to do that of course, anyway, all right, all right,