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Speaker 1: Now we've got new food waste stats out. It turns

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Speaker 1: out consumers are not the biggest wasters. It's actually everyone

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Speaker 1: else in the food chain, from the growers to the

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Speaker 1: processes to the retailers. They waste two thirds of the

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Speaker 1: stuff that we throw away, most of it is edible.

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Speaker 1: It adds up to about two hundred and thirty seven

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Speaker 1: CAGs per person per year. Sheila Schief is a professor

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Speaker 1: at the University of Otago and wrote the report High Shila, Hello,

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Speaker 1: why are they throwing it away?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's just primary and process and we've

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Speaker 2: also got a lot of food waste happening at and households.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, if we think about things on farm,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're part of the problem too, is people

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Speaker 2: don't want to buy wonky fruit or things that are,

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Speaker 2: you know, not the right size. I'm just as guilty

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Speaker 2: about as anybody. So, yeah, it was some of the

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Speaker 2: reasons why. And food safety is a huge problem too.

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Speaker 2: Of course we have to look at food safety.

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Speaker 1: Are you talking about in terms of the best buy

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Speaker 1: date and the used by date where they don't.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna hear that's one of that. But even

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Speaker 2: even having things you know that maybe they're starting to

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Speaker 2: you know, they're not at you know, at the best

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Speaker 2: even primary produce, it's not best, and not necessarily talking

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Speaker 2: about packaged foods, but you know they maybe they're you know,

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Speaker 2: starting to welter bed. And then it's a matter of

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Speaker 2: decision of whether you know you're gonna get that product

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Speaker 2: and then use it or whether you're going to throw

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Speaker 2: it away? She live.

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Speaker 1: Isn't there a market here in the cost of living

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Speaker 1: crisis for selling US an apple that's a little undersized

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Speaker 1: in US paying twenty percent.

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Speaker 2: Lest Yeah, I mean, I think it's a really good point.

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Speaker 2: It is hard to break. It's very hard to change

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Speaker 2: people's behaviors, I think, and even myself. You know, when

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Speaker 2: you go to go and you're looking through, you're always

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Speaker 2: kind of looking for I don't are we looking for

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Speaker 2: the best food? I mean, I do try to buy

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Speaker 2: the wonky bags of fruit and things like that, But

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Speaker 2: it is a matter of kind of changing our mindset

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Speaker 2: a little bit about what we were willing to purchase.

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Speaker 1: Is it economically viable for them though, if they have

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Speaker 1: if they've got a whole bunch of wonky apples to

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Speaker 1: pay the labor costs of sorting it, then transporting it,

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Speaker 1: and then selling it at a discount. Does it actually

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Speaker 1: make ends meant for them?

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Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that, would have to

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Speaker 2: contact the supermarkets. But you know, well, wors what are

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Speaker 2: they doing? You know, they're doing the wonky avocados and

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Speaker 2: the wonky this and the wonky that. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: maybe I buy them?

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Speaker 1: Do you buy them? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I do, definitely do buy them for sure, although I

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Speaker 2: rather they weren't in a in a in a bag

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Speaker 2: that was like a netted bag.

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Speaker 1: But does she like the notice they're not that wonky

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Speaker 1: Like that's still pretty good.

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Speaker 2: They're totally not wonky.

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Speaker 1: I it's weird that they're even considered wonky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree, But I think they're smaller like

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Speaker 2: often those avocados they're in they're quite They're small, they're

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Speaker 2: not the bigger ones. So yeah, but it's fine for me.

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Speaker 2: What difference? So I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that. Okay. Now, now on

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Speaker 1: the bright side, we are wasting a whole lot less

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Speaker 1: than the rest of the world. Why is that?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't sit Well, okay, it's a tricky one.

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Speaker 2: If you actually go and have a look at the report. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you'll see that actually in the UK and the EU

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Speaker 2: per capita there there are half of us. But in

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Speaker 2: fact I heard her talk last week and in Japan

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Speaker 2: they're even lower. So it but it does depend what

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Speaker 2: you measure, and unfortunately it's not all measuring an apple

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Speaker 2: and an apple. It's measuring different things. So there is

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Speaker 2: a little bit of an issue with how we measure.

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Speaker 1: So do you think we actually waste a lot more

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Speaker 1: than we think?

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Speaker 2: No? I think as as a country, okay, we produce

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Speaker 2: a lot of food and we're pretty good at making

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Speaker 2: sure that we make best use of that, particularly on

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Speaker 2: farm and in processing, because I think you know, we've

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Speaker 2: got good cold you know, cold chain, we've got we

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Speaker 2: bring people in to pick pick the food, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So we're pretty good. Household food waste is as high

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Speaker 2: as it is in lots of places like Europe.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Sheila, thank you very much, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Sheila Skiff, professor of nutrition at the University of Otago

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Speaker 1: and also the author of the report.

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