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Speaker 1: big names, the big issues, the big controversies and the

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Speaker 1: on your home of Sport News Talks ed B.

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Speaker 2: Yeat a good afternoon and welcome into the Saturday edition

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Speaker 2: of Weekend Sport on News Talks ed B. It's August seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Nilson p K, Happy birthday, Jim Currier, Happy birthday,

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Speaker 2: tiarry On Reed. It's also thirty years to the day

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Speaker 2: since this.

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Speaker 3: Has week for the juning try. Little Toeorge Quagen looked

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Speaker 3: over at hand and hurry mains can only look.

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Speaker 2: At gas George Gregan knocking the ball out of Jeff

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Speaker 2: Wilson's hands as he was diving to score what would

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Speaker 2: have been the match winning try against Australia in Sydney

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Speaker 2: on the night of Wednesday, August seventeen, nineteen ninety four

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Speaker 4: Thirty years.

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Speaker 2: It's also fifteen years to the day that Usain Bolt

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Speaker 2: did this.

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Speaker 3: There's the start of Bolt got a good winning gaze,

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Speaker 3: Avriam and sells us off a power. Betty's there too,

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Speaker 3: but here's ball bolt charging and a third Gay's coming,

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Speaker 3: time nine five eight world records.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nine point five eight seconds for the one hundred

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Speaker 2: meters at the two thousand and nine World Champs in Berlin,

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Speaker 2: a record which still stands today, fifteen years on and counting.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine Show producer Andy McDonald. The show is

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Speaker 2: coming to you live from Eden Park this afternoon. We're

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Speaker 2: just under seven hours away from kickoff in the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks fifth Test of twenty twenty four. The opposition Argentina,

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Speaker 2: to become the first team to beat the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: here at Eden Park in over eleven thousand days. Really

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Speaker 2: ken to e your thoughts on this game, specifically your

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Speaker 2: levels of optimism compared to last weekend. Now, oddly enough,

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Speaker 2: last weekend. I just can't see the All Blacks not

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Speaker 2: producing an emphatic response to a defeat last week that

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Speaker 2: very few people saw coming. I'm going to hear shortly

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Speaker 2: from Patrick tweek Lot to Caleb Clark and Mark Tulaya,

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Speaker 2: good chat to those three gentlemen. Some of that interview

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Speaker 2: to play for you shortly. I can tell you the

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Speaker 2: weather is not great. It has been raining for most

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Speaker 2: going to be wet weather. Rug beat tonight. Packer jacket

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Speaker 2: if you're heading along to Eden tonight. The other big

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Speaker 2: sporting issue floating around this week was around cricketing contracting,

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Speaker 2: again the ever evolving nature of contracting. Our top black

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Speaker 2: Caps players. Top order batter Devin Conway has opted not

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Cricket Players Association head Heath Mills with us

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Speaker 2: after one o'clock this afternoon. Again, your thoughts on this

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Speaker 2: are encouraged. Other matters around today Ace Silver Fern shooter

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Speaker 2: Mystics after six years there. That means she will be

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Speaker 2: Grace wiki with us after two o'clock this afternoon as

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Speaker 2: his Netborne New Zealand chair Matt Winner Ray are they

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Speaker 2: The ran fully Shield on the line. Later on this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: with mc John McDonald the voice of Darts Adam Peacock

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Speaker 2: afternoon in Buddings MPC Round two, Northland, Munahwatu and Fuga

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Speaker 6: The news talksb tat and to touch and the Capitol

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Speaker 6: Currents continues. The All Blacks lose again in Wellington. You're

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Speaker 6: All Blacks. Scott Robinson's first defeat as All Blacks head coach.

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Speaker 2: Now that capital curse is getting is getting worse, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: One win in seven Test matches going back to when

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Speaker 2: ain't exactly a happy hunting ground sky Stadium for the

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Speaker 2: started off by asking Patrick Towy Pilotu about the performances

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Speaker 7: He's been nice to me. I feel like a proud

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Speaker 2: Can you tell when a guy comes in, a new guy,

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Speaker 8: And I suppose in the case of Sam Derry, when

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Speaker 2: I guess presumably knew that he had what it takes

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Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely, and playing against has since school since he

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Speaker 9: It's just real pleasing to see.

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Speaker 2: How do you guys go Because there are guys in

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Speaker 2: How do you manage that dynamic of, you know, being

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Speaker 2: It's pretty competitive punch of back three players at the moment,

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Speaker 2: You know obviously you two and then save will Jordan's

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Speaker 7: I guess you know, you compete.

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Speaker 10: You know everyone's competitive, and you know when it comes

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Speaker 10: to selections, you know, the coach pick who who's performing

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Speaker 10: and whoever selected, whoever's playing in their position. And I

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Speaker 10: guess that's the I guess that's what we want out

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Speaker 10: it looks like, demanding so much from each other, and

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Speaker 10: and I know all the boys and our team is similar,

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Speaker 10: you got world coming back now and Sev's is playing

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Speaker 2: What my brothers say you want all named Evander? Is

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Speaker 2: Did your dad still give you plenty of advice? I.

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Speaker 9: Ronnie, He tries to, he does, and it's still cool

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Speaker 2: Mike, how do you deal with the glare of being

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Speaker 2: Everybody in New Zealan has got an opinion on the

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Speaker 14: Do you read it?

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Speaker 2: How do you deal with it? What's the strategy you use?

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Speaker 7: Mark? Yeah, I'm quite easy. I don't read it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't read it. Don't feed into it, to

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Speaker 2: It is the same with you, Calum. Is there like

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Speaker 9: You have the people you try to should start with family, coaches,

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Speaker 7: Like people have their own opinions. They're entitled to it.

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Speaker 9: But you know when they see people attacking like us

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Speaker 2: But I think any any nana wants to protect their

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Speaker 7: We never the ablecks are planning because it's always sold out.

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Speaker 2: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The new All Blacks

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Speaker 2: a graveyard for the All Blacks in recent times. Just

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Speaker 2: the one win in their last seven test matches stretching

433
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Speaker 2: back to twenty seventeen. We've got to stop giving test

434
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Speaker 2: matches to Wellington, even though I'm from there, I can

435
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Speaker 2: see why the record might say, let's play somewhere else.

436
00:21:39,027 --> 00:21:44,307
Speaker 2: Argentina have never beaten the All Blacks in consecutive test matches.

437
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Speaker 2: They have, though, won three of the last nine now,

438
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Speaker 2: having not won any of the previous twenty nine. But

439
00:21:50,667 --> 00:21:52,867
Speaker 2: the All Blacks through the years, across a variety of

440
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Speaker 2: players and coaching groups, have more often than not shown

441
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Speaker 2: an ability to respond. They very rarely lose twice in

442
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Speaker 2: a row at home to the same opposition. Very rarely

443
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Speaker 2: does that have And while last weekend was a shock,

444
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Speaker 2: I really don't feel like it's symptomatic of anything greater

445
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Speaker 2: than just one team playing better than another team in

446
00:22:13,707 --> 00:22:17,867
Speaker 2: a one off game. Because remember the last time and

447
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Speaker 2: the only previous time the Pomas beat the All Blacks

448
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Speaker 2: on home soil, back in twenty twenty two in christ Church.

449
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Speaker 2: The following week the bounce back was a fifty three

450
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Speaker 2: to three victory in Hamilton, and that is exactly what

451
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Speaker 2: I'm expecting tonight. Maybe not fifty, but a convincing win

452
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Speaker 2: with a frame of reference on this opposition, a loss

453
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Speaker 2: that is I'm sure stinging their egos and the very

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Speaker 2: proud record at this venue. I just really can't see

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Speaker 2: anything other than a very convincing home win which brings

456
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Speaker 2: us to this venue. The fortress that is Eden Park,

457
00:22:52,747 --> 00:22:55,227
Speaker 2: looking out at it now, the ground staff for just

458
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Speaker 2: putting the final touches on its manicure and just touching

459
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Speaker 2: up a couple of the white lines. New Zealand undefeated

460
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Speaker 2: here across their last forty nine test matches forty seven

461
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Speaker 2: wins and two draws. The All Blacks last defeat here

462
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Speaker 2: was that lost to France in July of nineteen ninety four,

463
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Speaker 2: eleven thousand and four days ago. That record just doesn't

464
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Speaker 2: falling for me. It's being extended to fifty at eden

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Speaker 2: Park tonight, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine, two

466
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Speaker 2: ninety two. If you would prefer to correspond by text

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Speaker 2: twelve thirty, we're back with your calls after this.

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Speaker 1: Cutting down to All Blacks v Argentina on your home

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Speaker 1: of Sport Weekend Sport Live from Eden Park with Jason

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Speaker 1: Vine and GJ. Gardner homes New Zealand's most trusted o

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Speaker 1: builder News Talk ZAB.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven away from one eight hundred and eighty ten

473
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Speaker 2: eighty nine, two ninety two on text. Pint of your

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Speaker 2: predictions absolutely suck, says Mass. I can't believe you predict

475
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Speaker 2: a good win for us and breaking the Eden Park.

476
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Speaker 2: Who do if we lose? It's on you now, mate,

477
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Speaker 2: commentators curse Mass, Come I mate, You and I both

478
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Speaker 2: know I don't have that power.

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Speaker 15: Hello Chris yea A mate, I want to talk about

480
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Speaker 15: the all go on. I think it's going to be

481
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Speaker 15: a big battle, but I'm glad to see a couple

482
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Speaker 15: of changes, because when we don't win with a method,

483
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Speaker 15: why to change things up And to put Caleb Clark

484
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Speaker 15: on the left wing. He's a bigger man, like he

485
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Speaker 15: doesn't size step as well as the lear but I

486
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Speaker 15: think that'll be crucial in the physical contact. And also

487
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Speaker 15: to see Ricco Ione back at the center. This is

488
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Speaker 15: his test to prove that he's depickable number thirteen. That

489
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Speaker 15: he's going to have to shine today because he's got

490
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Speaker 15: a couple of good athletes but you know, not too

491
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Speaker 15: far behind him, so it's going to be it's going

492
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Speaker 15: to be a good watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree on that with Rico. Chris, I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a big test match for him. I

495
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Speaker 2: think he you know, he was interviewed during the week

496
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Speaker 2: and it just sounded reading between the lines, were actually

497
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Speaker 2: just reading the lines that he was a bit stung

498
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Speaker 2: by being effectively dropped last week out of the first

499
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Speaker 2: choice fifteen for a big test match. So yeah, I'm

500
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Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing how he goes tonight. You're right,

501
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Speaker 2: Angelina Brown's there. Billy Proctor is the you know, the

502
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Speaker 2: young up and comer. Big test for.

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Speaker 15: Rico, absolutely, and I wish him the best, because obviously

504
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Speaker 15: if he does well, we do well. But I'm not

505
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Speaker 15: so sure that we need to keep retaining McKenzie at ten.

506
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Speaker 15: I would have preferred put Will Jordan at ball back

507
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Speaker 15: and Bowden Barrett at first five eight and bring mackenzie

508
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Speaker 15: on when needed. That's another little gray area for me.

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Speaker 5: How do you feel?

510
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Speaker 2: I feel a little bit conflicted around this. I like

511
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Speaker 2: the idea of Damien McKenzie being given a run of

512
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Speaker 2: games in the shirt in the jersey rather and not

513
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Speaker 2: having to worry from week to week that he might

514
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Speaker 2: get dropped if he doesn't play well. I do like that,

515
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Speaker 2: and this is his fifth Test match of five in

516
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Speaker 2: the ten jersey. Having said that, last time we were

517
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Speaker 2: at Eden Park we saw Body come off the bench

518
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Speaker 2: and provide the spark that got them the win effectively

519
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Speaker 2: against England, and I wonder what that would look like

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Speaker 2: from the start. I've always been a big fan of

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Speaker 2: Bowden Barrett playing in the ten jersey. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: a little bit conflicted. And look, if they had made

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Speaker 2: that change, I wouldn't have I wouldn't have been upset

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 15: No, I mean, you know, we've got some big, big

526
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Speaker 15: tests coming up shortly a couple of into South Africa,

527
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Speaker 15: and I just need to be that the things aren't

528
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Speaker 15: working against Argentina. We've got to get back to the

529
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Speaker 15: blackboard because I don't know, you know, I heard Lorie

530
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Speaker 15: Mains talk the other day and he was saying TJ

531
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Speaker 15: Perrenara was delivering bad ball. But I've watched the highlight

532
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Speaker 15: in a year. But no, you know, I just I

533
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Speaker 15: just think there's a little bit of something missing. And

534
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Speaker 15: maybe it's because we've been scored for choice over the

535
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Speaker 15: years with mountains in Carlos and Carter and then Mwana.

536
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Speaker 15: Maybe you are right about giving him Smoothie a chance.

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Speaker 2: Look, and the other dynamic part of this or the

538
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Speaker 2: other part of this dynamic, sorry Chris, is is that

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Speaker 2: you know Richie Warnger is probably going to come back

540
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Speaker 2: next year. You know, there's all the talkers that he'll

541
00:27:23,787 --> 00:27:26,667
Speaker 2: come back a year early from his Japanese contract, So

542
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden he's back in the equation. Look,

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Speaker 2: I think we all would would concede that he is,

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Speaker 2: if not the best, then certainly one of the best

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Speaker 2: number tens going around. So yeah, I don't think there'll

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Speaker 2: be too many rugby fans and I'd probably count me

547
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Speaker 2: in this that. Who wouldn't like to have Richie Warnger

548
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Speaker 2: in that teen jersey running out tonight for us? You know,

549
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Speaker 2: he's a terrific first five. I'd love to see him

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Speaker 2: back in black.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: All right, Chris, gretcha chat mate. We'll watch Rico Yuani

553
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Speaker 2: and others with interest tonight. I appreciate your call, mate. Oh,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number if

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Speaker 2: you'd like to, I guess give your thoughts, your optimism levels, Richard, how.

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Speaker 16: Are you.

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Speaker 14: You all good? Piney? My view is it's too much

558
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Speaker 14: focus on whether the backs played well or not. I

559
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Speaker 14: just think banks play well if Ford tack said their job,

560
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Speaker 14: and I just think in the second half last week

561
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Speaker 14: our forward pack just got obliterated.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 14: One today Stapoom has dragged the ball about, said he

564
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Speaker 14: needed from a line out. We stopped winning the ball.

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Speaker 14: Loose forwards. We're getting bumped off and tackles, and we're

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Speaker 14: going to improve. Denis the forwards that need to stand

567
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Speaker 14: up and then the backs can play. You know, to me,

568
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Speaker 14: Braby hasn't change. Forwards need to do that and then

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Speaker 14: the backs can.

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Speaker 11: Do their thing.

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Speaker 14: And if if the forwards stay front up, the backs

572
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Speaker 14: can't play. So that's what I'll be looking forward to

573
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Speaker 14: deny it as the forwards doing the job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially in the wet as well, Richard as well.

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Speaker 2: That even adds to that. You're right, were you surprised

576
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Speaker 2: there were? There's one change in the forward pack, and

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Speaker 2: that was because Ethan the Greek heard his neck. Not

578
00:29:00,507 --> 00:29:03,067
Speaker 2: quite sure how because he went scrumbs last week, but

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Speaker 2: he's done something to his neck. He's the only change

580
00:29:06,067 --> 00:29:08,227
Speaker 2: with Mighty William's coming in, otherwise it would have been

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Speaker 2: an unchanged forward pack. Was that a surprise to you?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, probably was. I mean we clearly need more grunt

584
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Speaker 14: and our loose forwards, and maybe it just points towards

585
00:29:20,507 --> 00:29:21,827
Speaker 14: they're not sure who's.

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Speaker 5: Going to provide.

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Speaker 14: But I mean, seeing now as the guy who physically

588
00:29:25,067 --> 00:29:27,227
Speaker 14: looks the part, you know, he looks like he should

589
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Speaker 14: be a six I wonder whether a longer term it's

590
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Speaker 14: worth thinking once we've got a bit more debt for lock,

591
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Speaker 14: which we will get when Baron and two Plato come back,

592
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Speaker 14: where a two poke light should be turned into a

593
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Speaker 14: sixth because he's not quite big enough to be a

594
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Speaker 14: test lock. But he's definitely he's got the carrying ability

595
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Speaker 14: and a physicality to be a test six. I wonder

596
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Speaker 14: whether we need to start thinking of that. Just like

597
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Speaker 14: they change people, I'm going back a long way, but

598
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Speaker 14: people like Jamie Joseph got changed into into a six

599
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Speaker 14: really though they were locked. I just wonder whether that's

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Speaker 14: where they need to go. They need to create a

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Speaker 14: six because we haven't really got one.

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Speaker 2: I really thought that, and I think he's still could be.

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Speaker 2: I thought some a Penny female was going to be

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Speaker 2: that guy, Richard I honestly, the way he played on occasion,

605
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Speaker 2: on quite a few occasions for the Chiefs and just

606
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Speaker 2: frighten the heck out of the first five and others

607
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Speaker 2: as well. I thought he was going to bring that,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Jerome kind or kind of fear factor

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Speaker 2: to that six jersey. It just hasn't quite happened yet.

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Speaker 2: I hope it does. I really hope it doesn't. Yeah, two,

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Speaker 2: Paul Via, you're right, that's another option. I thought you

612
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Speaker 2: were going to say. But Scott Barrett, there.

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Speaker 14: No, no, no, I think we need we haven't got

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Speaker 14: the death for a work, so you know, we need

615
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Speaker 14: to And that's like we had to be with Caino

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Speaker 14: in the early days. You've just got to be patient.

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Speaker 14: They need test experience, and you've just got to give

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Speaker 14: them that opportunity and a run of games, you know,

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Speaker 14: and that maybe where we are as well. I just

620
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Speaker 14: don't think we can persist with lightweight number sixers. You

621
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Speaker 14: just when you play the spring Marks Island France, you're

622
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Speaker 14: just not gonna win.

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Speaker 2: Good Man, Richard, good points, well made, drive safe, mate,

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Speaker 2: thanks for calling the show. Oh eight hundred and eighty

625
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Speaker 2: ten eighty is our number. Going to take a break, Brook, Kathleen,

626
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Speaker 2: please hold there with your after this on Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 1: The bitches ready, are you Lave? From Eden Park of

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Speaker 1: All Blacks, v Argentina. It's Weekend Sport with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunder Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

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Speaker 1: News Talk said be.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen to one talking all Blacks. Thanks for holding Brook,

632
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Speaker 2: good afternoon.

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Speaker 11: Afternoon, Finy, Thanks hitting me on.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you with us.

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Speaker 11: So I think tonight's all Black test is going to

636
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Speaker 11: be a tough one and I think we're just going

637
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Speaker 11: to predict that be a big factor in this. I

638
00:31:39,227 --> 00:31:43,627
Speaker 11: think it's going to be close. But I think I

639
00:31:43,707 --> 00:31:46,187
Speaker 11: hope Raiser has got an open wine and changing people

640
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Speaker 11: in positions. I think I think we're looking at the

641
00:31:49,627 --> 00:31:51,707
Speaker 11: next Michael Jones with Sa Titi.

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Speaker 2: And I hope, yeah, I yeah. Do you think he's

643
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Speaker 2: a seven? I mean he's obviously played mainly at eight

644
00:32:01,787 --> 00:32:05,787
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs. Yeah, bustling guy. Yeah, you reckon he

645
00:32:05,867 --> 00:32:06,827
Speaker 2: might be a seven as well.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 11: Michael Jones was on the seven he started a date.

648
00:32:10,907 --> 00:32:12,067
Speaker 2: True, yeah, good point.

649
00:32:12,227 --> 00:32:14,387
Speaker 11: And I think so TV's got all the ball skills.

650
00:32:14,427 --> 00:32:17,107
Speaker 11: You certainly got the running skills and he I think

651
00:32:18,027 --> 00:32:19,667
Speaker 11: I'm hoping that they can see that.

652
00:32:19,907 --> 00:32:23,027
Speaker 2: You know, I thought they might make that change this week,

653
00:32:23,107 --> 00:32:26,507
Speaker 2: actually bring him in. Maybe not into the starting side,

654
00:32:26,947 --> 00:32:29,507
Speaker 2: although I thought they might. And I think there's been

655
00:32:29,547 --> 00:32:34,547
Speaker 2: a lot of chatter about the possibility of Ardisavier going

656
00:32:34,587 --> 00:32:37,187
Speaker 2: to open site, which would have freed up the number

657
00:32:37,227 --> 00:32:39,267
Speaker 2: eight spot for Wallace to tit a big ball run,

658
00:32:39,347 --> 00:32:41,907
Speaker 2: a big ball area, someone who gets onto the front

659
00:32:41,907 --> 00:32:45,027
Speaker 2: foot and charges through. Look, you know, you look at

660
00:32:45,067 --> 00:32:47,947
Speaker 2: the and I'm pleased to see sam Kin and the reserves,

661
00:32:47,987 --> 00:32:50,427
Speaker 2: I must say, because you know, I think he'll be

662
00:32:50,667 --> 00:32:53,027
Speaker 2: he'll be very, very important in South Africa, But I

663
00:32:53,067 --> 00:32:55,067
Speaker 2: would have liked to see Wallace in there somewhere.

664
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think we I mean it's good to see

665
00:32:58,027 --> 00:33:00,867
Speaker 11: Sam came back, but we need to grow our feel

666
00:33:01,387 --> 00:33:03,627
Speaker 11: But we need to win test as well to catch

667
00:33:03,667 --> 00:33:06,667
Speaker 11: twenty two, Yes, isn't it?

668
00:33:06,787 --> 00:33:08,987
Speaker 2: And the other one broke the other the other the

669
00:33:09,027 --> 00:33:11,027
Speaker 2: other catch twenty two that Raizor faces. And he was

670
00:33:11,067 --> 00:33:13,467
Speaker 2: asked this question is how do you strike the balance

671
00:33:13,507 --> 00:33:17,027
Speaker 2: between tweaking aside that has lost and giving the guys

672
00:33:17,067 --> 00:33:18,747
Speaker 2: who lost the game the chance to a tone.

673
00:33:19,867 --> 00:33:23,427
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly exactly. I mean the Doman mackenzie. I mean,

674
00:33:23,787 --> 00:33:26,787
Speaker 11: you know, people are saying, you know, he's not the best,

675
00:33:26,827 --> 00:33:29,467
Speaker 11: but who have we got other than Damien McKenzie, like.

676
00:33:30,627 --> 00:33:32,627
Speaker 2: Bode at your body? I mean, I think Stephen Penefitt

677
00:33:32,747 --> 00:33:34,627
Speaker 2: is injured at the moment. I don't think he was

678
00:33:34,707 --> 00:33:38,947
Speaker 2: considered for this one. Yeah, it's if it's not Dmac

679
00:33:38,987 --> 00:33:40,907
Speaker 2: then it is then it is body at ten. Yeah,

680
00:33:40,947 --> 00:33:43,347
Speaker 2: And and he said he wants to play there. He said,

681
00:33:43,347 --> 00:33:45,267
Speaker 2: in fact, he said after the last Eden Park test

682
00:33:45,547 --> 00:33:47,667
Speaker 2: he wants to start. I mean he's starting tonight in

683
00:33:47,667 --> 00:33:51,067
Speaker 2: the fifteen jumper. But yeah, I mean yeah, that's the

684
00:33:51,107 --> 00:33:51,547
Speaker 2: other option.

685
00:33:52,747 --> 00:33:54,307
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I hope I hope Rose has got an

686
00:33:54,347 --> 00:33:56,867
Speaker 11: open wine. I think we're looking at the men next

687
00:33:56,907 --> 00:33:58,067
Speaker 11: Michael Jones with the TT.

688
00:33:59,227 --> 00:34:00,867
Speaker 2: I'm going to write that down, Brook. In fact, I'm

689
00:34:00,867 --> 00:34:02,827
Speaker 2: going to write down the moment you said that, and

690
00:34:02,907 --> 00:34:04,547
Speaker 2: you and I can chat in about three or four

691
00:34:04,587 --> 00:34:08,547
Speaker 2: years when he's just an absolutely barn storming open side flanker.

692
00:34:08,307 --> 00:34:10,187
Speaker 11: And I reckon, fine, he will be.

693
00:34:11,867 --> 00:34:14,107
Speaker 2: Good on your mate, Good to Chatty. I really appreciate

694
00:34:14,147 --> 00:34:16,827
Speaker 2: your call. Hello, Kathleen, how are you good?

695
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Speaker 17: Good?

696
00:34:17,107 --> 00:34:19,467
Speaker 2: How are you very good? Thank you good.

697
00:34:20,107 --> 00:34:23,307
Speaker 17: I appreciate the conversations that's happening with regards to the players.

698
00:34:25,187 --> 00:34:27,067
Speaker 17: But I think we've actually lost sight of the major

699
00:34:27,147 --> 00:34:28,987
Speaker 17: big thing that we used to do when we were

700
00:34:29,027 --> 00:34:33,507
Speaker 17: playing rugby as the Zellainers, which is possession of the ball.

701
00:34:34,067 --> 00:34:36,747
Speaker 17: We're doing too much of this grab it, kick it

702
00:34:36,787 --> 00:34:39,787
Speaker 17: away down the other side instead of actually holding on

703
00:34:39,907 --> 00:34:43,347
Speaker 17: to it and running with it. What happened to actually

704
00:34:43,387 --> 00:34:44,187
Speaker 17: taking it downtown.

705
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Speaker 2: You're not the first person to make this point, Kathleen.

706
00:34:47,187 --> 00:34:50,187
Speaker 2: I'm sure you. I'm sure you're aware of this. You're right, Honestly,

707
00:34:50,267 --> 00:34:53,907
Speaker 2: the amount of people who have said not just this season,

708
00:34:53,947 --> 00:34:56,107
Speaker 2: but every season. Why are we kicking the ball away?

709
00:34:56,507 --> 00:34:59,107
Speaker 2: What is the point in kicking it away in our

710
00:34:59,147 --> 00:35:02,147
Speaker 2: box kicks? Or I get territory, I totally get that,

711
00:35:02,547 --> 00:35:05,147
Speaker 2: but box kicks for me still remain a mystery as

712
00:35:05,187 --> 00:35:05,947
Speaker 2: to why we do that.

713
00:35:07,347 --> 00:35:10,627
Speaker 17: Like with Audue respects. So, I think that there was

714
00:35:10,667 --> 00:35:13,587
Speaker 17: a time, if we go back to not that long ago,

715
00:35:13,667 --> 00:35:16,067
Speaker 17: when we had like Fitzpatrick, Carter and all the rest

716
00:35:16,107 --> 00:35:18,747
Speaker 17: of them in the team, they had possession of the

717
00:35:18,827 --> 00:35:21,227
Speaker 17: ball and that was when we won games.

718
00:35:22,547 --> 00:35:23,227
Speaker 16: All the other.

719
00:35:23,307 --> 00:35:25,987
Speaker 17: Opposing teams from other countries were taking the ball and

720
00:35:26,067 --> 00:35:29,107
Speaker 17: kicking it away and that was how they lost. Now

721
00:35:29,187 --> 00:35:32,187
Speaker 17: they've actually done a whole complete turnaround where the opposing

722
00:35:32,267 --> 00:35:35,387
Speaker 17: teams are actually keeping the ball and we're now kicking

723
00:35:35,427 --> 00:35:35,787
Speaker 17: it away.

724
00:35:36,107 --> 00:35:38,547
Speaker 18: It doesn't make sense the other thing that happened.

725
00:35:39,067 --> 00:35:41,587
Speaker 17: I know it's one thing to probably blame the players,

726
00:35:41,627 --> 00:35:44,627
Speaker 17: and we could probably rearrange the players and where they're

727
00:35:44,627 --> 00:35:47,667
Speaker 17: going and what positions they're playing. We could probably boot

728
00:35:47,867 --> 00:35:50,867
Speaker 17: one coach out and put another one in. But I

729
00:35:50,947 --> 00:35:54,387
Speaker 17: think we need to get back to grassroots, which was possession.

730
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Speaker 16: Of the ball.

731
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Speaker 2: Kathleen, I know there were a lot of listeners nodding

732
00:35:58,227 --> 00:36:00,947
Speaker 2: their heads in agreement with you. The other thing I

733
00:36:01,027 --> 00:36:02,467
Speaker 2: was going to say that happened last week was that

734
00:36:02,587 --> 00:36:05,947
Speaker 2: Argentina were quite happy to give the ball back to

735
00:36:06,387 --> 00:36:08,907
Speaker 2: the All Blacks in their own twenty two and back

736
00:36:08,987 --> 00:36:14,467
Speaker 2: themselves to compel the Abs to not get out particularly well.

737
00:36:15,387 --> 00:36:18,467
Speaker 2: Scott Robertson calls it the back fence and he said,

738
00:36:18,467 --> 00:36:20,227
Speaker 2: we didn't get out of our back fence very well.

739
00:36:21,747 --> 00:36:26,147
Speaker 2: And yeah, maybe things you know, like I totally get

740
00:36:26,187 --> 00:36:28,427
Speaker 2: the modern modern day game of rugby and why territory

741
00:36:28,507 --> 00:36:30,467
Speaker 2: is important, and you know, you kick for territory and

742
00:36:30,547 --> 00:36:32,907
Speaker 2: often you get this game of force back that happens

743
00:36:32,947 --> 00:36:35,747
Speaker 2: between two, you know, two players, one from each side,

744
00:36:35,947 --> 00:36:38,147
Speaker 2: you know, a fallback or a first five gets the

745
00:36:38,187 --> 00:36:40,947
Speaker 2: ball inside their own twenty two belts at downtown guy

746
00:36:40,987 --> 00:36:42,387
Speaker 2: picks it up and the other twenty two does the

747
00:36:42,387 --> 00:36:44,907
Speaker 2: same thing and they're kicking for field position until somebody

748
00:36:44,987 --> 00:36:48,147
Speaker 2: decides to kick it out and go to a lineout. Yeah.

749
00:36:48,387 --> 00:36:53,027
Speaker 2: I get the territory part of that as long as you.

750
00:36:53,267 --> 00:36:54,947
Speaker 2: I think what you do is you say, okay, you

751
00:36:55,027 --> 00:36:56,547
Speaker 2: ask the other team to kick it out so you

752
00:36:56,627 --> 00:36:57,947
Speaker 2: can have the line out and win the lineout, then

753
00:36:57,987 --> 00:37:00,467
Speaker 2: you get the ball back and maybe a slightly better

754
00:37:00,507 --> 00:37:03,347
Speaker 2: position from where you currently are. But the box kick,

755
00:37:03,467 --> 00:37:05,787
Speaker 2: like a sake, continues to be a mystery to me

756
00:37:06,507 --> 00:37:09,627
Speaker 2: unless you've got chases. It's at very best of fifty

757
00:37:09,627 --> 00:37:12,467
Speaker 2: to fifty. Even when you have. I get it when

758
00:37:12,507 --> 00:37:13,867
Speaker 2: you if you're in your own twenty two and you

759
00:37:13,907 --> 00:37:19,227
Speaker 2: want to clear cool. But the contestable box kick still

760
00:37:19,387 --> 00:37:22,387
Speaker 2: remains a bit of a mystery to me as to

761
00:37:22,507 --> 00:37:26,387
Speaker 2: what it's to contest ball a little bit further up

762
00:37:26,427 --> 00:37:28,587
Speaker 2: the field. I know that, but you've got to have

763
00:37:28,667 --> 00:37:32,347
Speaker 2: the chases, and sometimes unless the kick is very, very accurate,

764
00:37:32,827 --> 00:37:35,307
Speaker 2: those chasers just aren't able either to get there there

765
00:37:35,987 --> 00:37:42,507
Speaker 2: or contest fairly and competently for it. So yeah, the

766
00:37:42,547 --> 00:37:46,067
Speaker 2: box kick remains, as I've said a couple of times now,

767
00:37:46,147 --> 00:37:48,627
Speaker 2: a mystery to me. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

768
00:37:48,667 --> 00:37:50,027
Speaker 2: eighty nine, ten to nine to two on text nine

769
00:37:50,067 --> 00:37:51,387
Speaker 2: and a half away from one back after.

770
00:37:51,307 --> 00:37:55,427
Speaker 1: This breaking down, the Hail Mary's and the Epic fails

771
00:37:57,027 --> 00:38:00,747
Speaker 1: weekends for it with Jason Lyme News Talk ZENB.

772
00:38:01,187 --> 00:38:03,547
Speaker 2: News TALKB. It's just on six away from one. The

773
00:38:03,547 --> 00:38:05,507
Speaker 2: show's come to your life from Eaton Park this afternoon

774
00:38:05,627 --> 00:38:08,507
Speaker 2: after one o'clock, want to flick across to cricket with

775
00:38:08,747 --> 00:38:12,347
Speaker 2: the contracting situation around our top players again in the

776
00:38:12,387 --> 00:38:16,387
Speaker 2: spotlight this week. Devon Conway has opted out of a

777
00:38:16,547 --> 00:38:20,027
Speaker 2: central New Zealand Cricket contract but has been given a

778
00:38:20,227 --> 00:38:24,947
Speaker 2: casual contract. Finellen, on the other hand, is also opted

779
00:38:24,987 --> 00:38:27,387
Speaker 2: out of a New Zealand Cricket Central contract but hasn't

780
00:38:27,427 --> 00:38:30,107
Speaker 2: been given a casual contract. He's got no contract at

781
00:38:30,107 --> 00:38:33,027
Speaker 2: all now. So keen to chat to Heath Mills, head

782
00:38:33,067 --> 00:38:36,787
Speaker 2: of the Players Association, about the difference between those two things,

783
00:38:36,827 --> 00:38:40,147
Speaker 2: the casual contract and the no contract and the casual

784
00:38:40,187 --> 00:38:42,827
Speaker 2: contract in the central contract. So what does Devon Conway

785
00:38:42,947 --> 00:38:47,787
Speaker 2: get that Finellen doesn't, But what does a contracted player

786
00:38:47,867 --> 00:38:50,507
Speaker 2: get that Devin Conway doesn't, if you get my drift,

787
00:38:50,987 --> 00:38:53,507
Speaker 2: So we're going to sort of delve into that with

788
00:38:53,627 --> 00:38:56,867
Speaker 2: Heath Mills after one o'clock, Piney says Neville they need

789
00:38:56,947 --> 00:39:00,867
Speaker 2: to stop giving Wellington the first test in a home series.

790
00:39:01,587 --> 00:39:03,707
Speaker 2: Eden Park's a fortress because they always get the last

791
00:39:03,747 --> 00:39:05,867
Speaker 2: test in a series the first test. The all Blacks

792
00:39:05,907 --> 00:39:10,187
Speaker 2: are always rusty. Yeah, that's a good point, Neville. Maybe

793
00:39:10,227 --> 00:39:13,787
Speaker 2: they're worried about the rustiness in the first Test and

794
00:39:13,947 --> 00:39:16,627
Speaker 2: the fortress that is Eden Park. I remember against Ireland

795
00:39:16,667 --> 00:39:19,067
Speaker 2: though a couple of years ago in that Test series

796
00:39:19,107 --> 00:39:21,347
Speaker 2: that Island beat us in first Test was in Auckland

797
00:39:21,827 --> 00:39:23,667
Speaker 2: and the All Blacks were very good that day, put

798
00:39:23,707 --> 00:39:26,467
Speaker 2: forty on the Irish before losing in Dunedin and then

799
00:39:26,507 --> 00:39:29,147
Speaker 2: in Wellington. So yeah, but your points an interesting one,

800
00:39:29,547 --> 00:39:32,507
Speaker 2: A very interesting one. Just a side issue as well,

801
00:39:32,547 --> 00:39:35,547
Speaker 2: says Neville. It's great that Isaiah Walker Lea Wedde has

802
00:39:35,627 --> 00:39:38,107
Speaker 2: been added to the All Blacks training squad. I hope

803
00:39:38,147 --> 00:39:41,227
Speaker 2: he gets upgraded to the starting team. He's bigger and

804
00:39:41,387 --> 00:39:43,467
Speaker 2: better than some of our lightweight locks we have in

805
00:39:43,507 --> 00:39:47,627
Speaker 2: the current squad. Thank you very much, Neville. This one

806
00:39:47,627 --> 00:39:50,627
Speaker 2: says I actually like the pressure on Razor as everyone

807
00:39:50,667 --> 00:39:52,747
Speaker 2: thought he was just going to instantly make a difference.

808
00:39:54,027 --> 00:39:56,307
Speaker 2: They still don't know how to win ugly. Tonight is

809
00:39:56,387 --> 00:39:59,707
Speaker 2: going to be a massive test. Yeah, it is absolutely

810
00:39:59,747 --> 00:40:02,867
Speaker 2: going to be a massive test. My greatest concern says

811
00:40:02,947 --> 00:40:07,347
Speaker 2: this one, is the lack of creativity. We've continually been

812
00:40:07,427 --> 00:40:11,227
Speaker 2: out coached splitting forwards at kickoffs as the movements close

813
00:40:11,267 --> 00:40:13,427
Speaker 2: to the line, et cetera. Seems to be the same old,

814
00:40:13,467 --> 00:40:15,987
Speaker 2: same old. We might as well have kept Fozzy in

815
00:40:16,107 --> 00:40:20,387
Speaker 2: the job. Yeah, it's another interesting point. My theory on

816
00:40:20,427 --> 00:40:23,547
Speaker 2: the box kick here we go is apparently the attacking

817
00:40:23,627 --> 00:40:26,627
Speaker 2: side has a fifty one percent chance of attacking success

818
00:40:27,427 --> 00:40:29,947
Speaker 2: the stats show, and the coaches settle for that. They

819
00:40:30,067 --> 00:40:33,587
Speaker 2: set off for a fifty one percent chance. That's from

820
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Speaker 2: Steven Nelson. I'm enjoying the show, says Stephen, and I'm

821
00:40:39,227 --> 00:40:42,387
Speaker 2: holding out on having my first beer. Well, it's nearly

822
00:40:42,467 --> 00:40:46,947
Speaker 2: one o'clock, Stephen, it's nearly one o'clock. Look, it's the weekend.

823
00:40:48,267 --> 00:40:50,827
Speaker 2: It's five point thirty in the afternoon. Somewhere in the world.

824
00:40:51,267 --> 00:40:52,227
Speaker 2: I just knocked the top of it.

825
00:40:52,307 --> 00:40:52,467
Speaker 7: Mate.

826
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Speaker 2: If you feel like it after one, Heath Mills will

827
00:40:55,307 --> 00:40:59,147
Speaker 2: also get you to Australia with our Assie correspondent Adam Peacock.

828
00:41:00,867 --> 00:41:03,667
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest floors issues on

829
00:41:04,147 --> 00:41:07,467
Speaker 1: and master fields. It's all on We jen Ford with

830
00:41:07,707 --> 00:41:12,187
Speaker 1: Jason Vain on your home of Sports Talk.

831
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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back into the show. One o seven.

832
00:41:15,907 --> 00:41:18,107
Speaker 2: This is weekend's fort On News talksv I'm Jason Pine

833
00:41:18,147 --> 00:41:20,507
Speaker 2: Andy McDonald producing the show. As we come to your

834
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Speaker 2: life from Eden Park. Just looking out now, but more

835
00:41:22,587 --> 00:41:27,507
Speaker 2: activity happening at that's still raining, very wet sack text here, Jason.

836
00:41:27,587 --> 00:41:29,547
Speaker 2: With the rain and Auckland getting heavier, I hope the

837
00:41:29,587 --> 00:41:31,787
Speaker 2: players can swim. I don't think it'll be that bad,

838
00:41:32,067 --> 00:41:34,787
Speaker 2: but it is going to be wet, so for anybody

839
00:41:34,867 --> 00:41:37,907
Speaker 2: heading along tonight, particularly those of you who are in

840
00:41:38,147 --> 00:41:43,347
Speaker 2: uncovered parts of Eden Park, a jacket, a sturdy jacket

841
00:41:43,747 --> 00:41:48,307
Speaker 2: and some some wet weather gear may be the order

842
00:41:48,387 --> 00:41:50,667
Speaker 2: of the day. I'm hearing that ticket sales are up

843
00:41:50,667 --> 00:41:54,947
Speaker 2: over forty thousand, which is great news. We talked a

844
00:41:55,067 --> 00:41:56,947
Speaker 2: lot in the early part of the week about the

845
00:41:57,387 --> 00:42:03,627
Speaker 2: crowd or lack thereof in Wellington a week ago. So yeah,

846
00:42:03,707 --> 00:42:06,787
Speaker 2: I'm fo I mean forty thousands pretty good Een Park

847
00:42:06,867 --> 00:42:10,187
Speaker 2: for a game against Argentina forty seven thousand NX capacity

848
00:42:10,267 --> 00:42:12,267
Speaker 2: here at the moment, So yeah, I hope the rain

849
00:42:12,347 --> 00:42:16,307
Speaker 2: doesn't keep too many away and that we get a

850
00:42:16,427 --> 00:42:20,067
Speaker 2: decent crowd here in Auckland tonight. We can open up

851
00:42:20,067 --> 00:42:22,707
Speaker 2: the lines on the rab again soon. Want to flick

852
00:42:22,707 --> 00:42:25,427
Speaker 2: across the cricket, as I say, after two Grace Weki

853
00:42:25,587 --> 00:42:28,107
Speaker 2: is on the show as well. She made the decision,

854
00:42:28,467 --> 00:42:30,947
Speaker 2: or it was announced yesterday she'd made the decision that

855
00:42:31,027 --> 00:42:34,187
Speaker 2: she will play for the New South Wales Swifts in

856
00:42:34,787 --> 00:42:38,987
Speaker 2: Super Netball next year. That will render her ineligible to

857
00:42:39,107 --> 00:42:41,827
Speaker 2: play for the Silver Ferns. So we'll find out it

858
00:42:41,907 --> 00:42:45,627
Speaker 2: about the thinking behind grace Wecki's decision to do that,

859
00:42:45,867 --> 00:42:50,867
Speaker 2: but around things like eligibility and contracting. Two more prominent

860
00:42:51,187 --> 00:42:54,347
Speaker 2: black Caps will no longer be on central contracts with

861
00:42:54,467 --> 00:42:57,027
Speaker 2: New Zealand Cricket for the summer ahead, driven by a

862
00:42:57,067 --> 00:42:59,787
Speaker 2: desire to play in South Africa's domestic T twenty competition.

863
00:43:00,187 --> 00:43:03,787
Speaker 2: Devin Conway is joining Kan Williamson in moving on to

864
00:43:03,907 --> 00:43:07,907
Speaker 2: a casual deal. Devon conn Way will still be available

865
00:43:07,987 --> 00:43:11,387
Speaker 2: for all nine of the team's upcoming test matches. That's

866
00:43:11,427 --> 00:43:14,227
Speaker 2: Afghanistan and a one off Test, two against Rilanka, three

867
00:43:14,227 --> 00:43:17,827
Speaker 2: against India and then three here against England and all

868
00:43:17,987 --> 00:43:21,067
Speaker 2: other matches outside of the January window, so he's actually

869
00:43:21,107 --> 00:43:22,947
Speaker 2: not missing a heck of a lot of international cricket.

870
00:43:23,587 --> 00:43:26,667
Speaker 2: Fellow opener Finell in meantime, won't have a contract with

871
00:43:26,747 --> 00:43:29,907
Speaker 2: New Zealand Cricket of any sort he's turned down a

872
00:43:30,027 --> 00:43:34,067
Speaker 2: central deal to focus on T twenty franchise opportunities and

873
00:43:34,227 --> 00:43:37,787
Speaker 2: has not been offered a casual contract. New Zealand Crickets

874
00:43:37,787 --> 00:43:40,427
Speaker 2: say Finellan will remain available for the Black Apps on

875
00:43:40,547 --> 00:43:44,147
Speaker 2: a case by case basis. Let's bring in New Zealand

876
00:43:44,187 --> 00:43:48,067
Speaker 2: Cricket Players Association CEO Heath Mills. Heath, thanks for taking

877
00:43:48,107 --> 00:43:50,507
Speaker 2: the time. What is the difference, first of all, between

878
00:43:50,587 --> 00:43:53,467
Speaker 2: a player having a central contract with New Zealand Cricket

879
00:43:53,867 --> 00:43:57,227
Speaker 2: and having a casual contract as is the case with

880
00:43:57,707 --> 00:43:59,307
Speaker 2: Devon Conway and Kan Williamson.

881
00:44:00,787 --> 00:44:04,187
Speaker 5: Good atonon Jason, It's good to speak with you. Yes,

882
00:44:04,987 --> 00:44:07,347
Speaker 5: I think that the starting point, probably for me, is

883
00:44:07,467 --> 00:44:12,787
Speaker 5: people need to separate contracting from selection. They are two

884
00:44:12,867 --> 00:44:15,947
Speaker 5: different things. A player can. We obviously only contract twenty

885
00:44:15,987 --> 00:44:18,667
Speaker 5: players anyway any given year, but thirty five will play

886
00:44:18,787 --> 00:44:22,067
Speaker 5: typically for for New Zealand. At domestic level we contract

887
00:44:22,267 --> 00:44:25,827
Speaker 5: sixteen in each team, but typically twenty five to thirty

888
00:44:25,827 --> 00:44:28,347
Speaker 5: will play each year. So just because you're not on

889
00:44:28,467 --> 00:44:30,907
Speaker 5: a contract doesn't mean you won't you won't be selected.

890
00:44:32,187 --> 00:44:36,667
Speaker 5: In terms of Devon and Kane, they have decided that

891
00:44:36,827 --> 00:44:40,467
Speaker 5: they want to take up playing opportunities elsewhere in January,

892
00:44:41,027 --> 00:44:43,827
Speaker 5: and within our collective agreement with New Zealand Cricket and

893
00:44:43,907 --> 00:44:46,547
Speaker 5: the contracts, it's made very clear that if you're going

894
00:44:46,627 --> 00:44:48,547
Speaker 5: to be on a full New Zealand Cricket contract or

895
00:44:48,547 --> 00:44:51,347
Speaker 5: a full domestic contract, you have to be available for

896
00:44:51,427 --> 00:44:54,587
Speaker 5: the Super Smash effectively the month of January, and also

897
00:44:54,667 --> 00:44:57,707
Speaker 5: in the international cricket played across the summer period in

898
00:44:57,747 --> 00:45:01,307
Speaker 5: New Zealand because that's where New Zealand Cricket makes the

899
00:45:01,387 --> 00:45:04,507
Speaker 5: vast amount of its revenue. So we've accepted that and

900
00:45:04,627 --> 00:45:08,627
Speaker 5: agreed with that as a position. So as we know,

901
00:45:08,747 --> 00:45:10,667
Speaker 5: the cricket world's changing greatly and I'm sure we'll get

902
00:45:10,707 --> 00:45:13,227
Speaker 5: onto that in a minute. But when it comes to

903
00:45:13,947 --> 00:45:16,987
Speaker 5: Devin and Kaine, they've elected not to take full contracts

904
00:45:17,187 --> 00:45:19,787
Speaker 5: for New Zealand Cricket contracts and because they want to

905
00:45:19,827 --> 00:45:22,427
Speaker 5: be playing elsewhere in January in their situation in the

906
00:45:22,507 --> 00:45:25,707
Speaker 5: South African T twenty comp So then they move on

907
00:45:25,867 --> 00:45:27,947
Speaker 5: to good to be considered for what we call a

908
00:45:28,027 --> 00:45:31,507
Speaker 5: casual playing agreement and that's what any other player would

909
00:45:31,507 --> 00:45:33,267
Speaker 5: be on at domestic level who doesn't have a full

910
00:45:33,547 --> 00:45:36,347
Speaker 5: contract there would be playing under a casual plane agreement

911
00:45:36,387 --> 00:45:37,987
Speaker 5: because when you play, you've got to have an agreement

912
00:45:38,067 --> 00:45:41,867
Speaker 5: of some sort. So they are now in the casual

913
00:45:41,947 --> 00:45:45,267
Speaker 5: plane agreement category and that's where New Zealand Cricket has discretion,

914
00:45:45,547 --> 00:45:48,427
Speaker 5: so it can decide we want to put someone on

915
00:45:48,507 --> 00:45:52,027
Speaker 5: a full casual plane agreement with New Zealand Cricket directly

916
00:45:52,427 --> 00:45:56,627
Speaker 5: where they're paid their small retainer, they stay in contact,

917
00:45:56,747 --> 00:45:59,307
Speaker 5: they're effectively available for the rest of the year other

918
00:45:59,387 --> 00:46:02,067
Speaker 5: than January. They still receive full match fees in the

919
00:46:02,107 --> 00:46:06,267
Speaker 5: fact an elevated match fee and payments for promotions, et cetera.

920
00:46:06,947 --> 00:46:09,427
Speaker 5: And they're part of the team in the high performance

921
00:46:09,507 --> 00:46:13,587
Speaker 5: environment here in New Zealand. Or they can make a

922
00:46:13,667 --> 00:46:15,667
Speaker 5: decision where but we don't want to put you on

923
00:46:15,747 --> 00:46:19,427
Speaker 5: a full international casual agreement. We're happy to pick you

924
00:46:19,987 --> 00:46:22,507
Speaker 5: at times when it works for us, but when you

925
00:46:22,627 --> 00:46:25,867
Speaker 5: play then you'll just be playing under a normal casual agreement.

926
00:46:26,027 --> 00:46:29,467
Speaker 5: So that's at New Zealand Crickets discretion, and as we've seen,

927
00:46:29,507 --> 00:46:33,667
Speaker 5: they've elected to keep Devon and Kane within the high

928
00:46:33,707 --> 00:46:38,427
Speaker 5: performance system in on these full casual agreements, whereas players

929
00:46:38,547 --> 00:46:41,867
Speaker 5: like finn In previously at the mill In Lucky Ferguson

930
00:46:41,987 --> 00:46:45,827
Speaker 5: are just now primarily focused on the TEA twenty franchise comp.

931
00:46:46,667 --> 00:46:49,907
Speaker 5: All players will be available for New Zealand when they

932
00:46:49,987 --> 00:46:53,067
Speaker 5: can and they're still able to be selected. But that's

933
00:46:53,147 --> 00:46:55,587
Speaker 5: fully at New Zealand Crickets discretion. Sorry for the long

934
00:46:55,627 --> 00:46:58,267
Speaker 5: when it does, it's.

935
00:46:58,147 --> 00:47:01,587
Speaker 2: A great explanation. Hey, it covers it completely. So my

936
00:47:01,707 --> 00:47:04,987
Speaker 2: next question is who at New Zealand Cricket makes the

937
00:47:05,107 --> 00:47:09,507
Speaker 2: case by case discrebenetionary decisions on who gets casual contracts

938
00:47:09,547 --> 00:47:10,107
Speaker 2: and who doesn't.

939
00:47:11,307 --> 00:47:13,747
Speaker 5: Well, that's New Zealand Cricket for the organization. I guess

940
00:47:13,827 --> 00:47:18,467
Speaker 5: ultimately that stops with Scott the CEO on the board.

941
00:47:18,547 --> 00:47:23,067
Speaker 5: But Brian Stronach has been very effective high performance I

942
00:47:23,067 --> 00:47:25,307
Speaker 5: think are the best high performance manager in New Zealand sport.

943
00:47:25,507 --> 00:47:28,627
Speaker 5: Is lead to that process in communication with the players

944
00:47:28,667 --> 00:47:32,147
Speaker 5: and the coaches, and then ultimately New Zealand Cricket, Scott

945
00:47:32,187 --> 00:47:34,187
Speaker 5: and the board would would make a decision. I would

946
00:47:34,187 --> 00:47:37,067
Speaker 5: assume do you think there.

947
00:47:37,107 --> 00:47:42,347
Speaker 2: Is a desire to choose contracted players ahead of non

948
00:47:42,467 --> 00:47:45,907
Speaker 2: contracted players for New Zealand. You talked about selection and

949
00:47:45,987 --> 00:47:48,427
Speaker 2: how there are twenty contracted players thirty odd play for

950
00:47:48,467 --> 00:47:51,867
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Do you think when Gary Stad and others

951
00:47:51,907 --> 00:47:54,907
Speaker 2: are sitting down to select Black Caps teams that they

952
00:47:55,907 --> 00:48:00,587
Speaker 2: they would be more they'd be keener to pick contracted players.

953
00:48:01,867 --> 00:48:05,987
Speaker 5: So all I can communicator is what we've been told

954
00:48:06,027 --> 00:48:09,187
Speaker 5: and un stand, and it's that New Zealand Cricket obviously

955
00:48:09,227 --> 00:48:11,147
Speaker 5: play a lot of international cricket during the course of

956
00:48:11,227 --> 00:48:14,587
Speaker 5: a year, and there will be some series and events,

957
00:48:14,707 --> 00:48:17,947
Speaker 5: obviously like an ICC event, that they will priority prioritize

958
00:48:18,307 --> 00:48:21,387
Speaker 5: and that will be a focus for them, and they

959
00:48:21,427 --> 00:48:24,507
Speaker 5: will look to the best players with no matter their

960
00:48:24,547 --> 00:48:26,987
Speaker 5: contract status, whether they're on a New Zealand Cricket contract,

961
00:48:27,267 --> 00:48:30,027
Speaker 5: domestic contract or or some form of a casual agreement.

962
00:48:31,027 --> 00:48:35,427
Speaker 5: But there are other series and competitions where they want

963
00:48:35,507 --> 00:48:37,627
Speaker 5: to focus and all the players that this is made

964
00:48:37,667 --> 00:48:40,707
Speaker 5: clear to all the players that they want to focus

965
00:48:40,787 --> 00:48:43,947
Speaker 5: on players who are working effectively full time here in

966
00:48:44,027 --> 00:48:46,627
Speaker 5: New Zealand and commit to New Zealand Cricket fully and

967
00:48:47,107 --> 00:48:50,867
Speaker 5: work within the high performance system here. So that's that's

968
00:48:51,187 --> 00:48:55,107
Speaker 5: effectively the line of delineation that they've They've said that well,

969
00:48:55,427 --> 00:48:58,827
Speaker 5: for our big events, in our big series, we will

970
00:48:58,947 --> 00:49:02,947
Speaker 5: considering anyone, no matter their contract status. But for everything else,

971
00:49:03,227 --> 00:49:05,027
Speaker 5: we want to focus on those who are committed and

972
00:49:05,107 --> 00:49:07,547
Speaker 5: working in the high performance system here in New Zealand.

973
00:49:08,347 --> 00:49:10,867
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a potential for any tension between

974
00:49:11,387 --> 00:49:13,827
Speaker 2: players who are contracted and players who aren't when it

975
00:49:13,867 --> 00:49:17,147
Speaker 2: comes to selection, for example, if a non contracted player

976
00:49:17,267 --> 00:49:20,307
Speaker 2: is selected over a contracted one, is there any potential

977
00:49:20,347 --> 00:49:21,107
Speaker 2: for tension there.

978
00:49:24,067 --> 00:49:27,267
Speaker 5: I guess there could be, but that's not what we've experienced.

979
00:49:28,067 --> 00:49:30,187
Speaker 5: We've dealt with this for three or four years now.

980
00:49:30,787 --> 00:49:35,027
Speaker 5: Obviously last year Trent Bolton Jimmy Nishan played under casual

981
00:49:35,067 --> 00:49:37,947
Speaker 5: playing agreements for New Zealand And at ICC events and

982
00:49:38,747 --> 00:49:41,347
Speaker 5: our players are pretty used to plying their trade all

983
00:49:41,387 --> 00:49:44,307
Speaker 5: around the world at different times in different competitions, and

984
00:49:45,747 --> 00:49:50,347
Speaker 5: they understand the situation. I think there's certainly no tension

985
00:49:50,467 --> 00:49:54,187
Speaker 5: between the players or not that I've experienced. I think

986
00:49:54,827 --> 00:49:58,067
Speaker 5: there's a bigger question about where cricket's going in terms

987
00:49:58,107 --> 00:50:02,667
Speaker 5: of its structure, in how the gamers are running its

988
00:50:02,707 --> 00:50:06,227
Speaker 5: international competitions and its franchise competitions. I think there's tension there,

989
00:50:06,667 --> 00:50:09,627
Speaker 5: but that's an issue for New Zealand cricket in all

990
00:50:09,707 --> 00:50:12,427
Speaker 5: the national boards and the ICC to deal with. But

991
00:50:12,987 --> 00:50:15,787
Speaker 5: I can't in any way see how it's good for

992
00:50:15,907 --> 00:50:20,347
Speaker 5: our sport where we have franchise competitions competing directly with

993
00:50:20,427 --> 00:50:23,947
Speaker 5: international cricket for the interests of not only the players

994
00:50:23,987 --> 00:50:26,387
Speaker 5: but also for the fans. And I think it's very

995
00:50:26,427 --> 00:50:29,147
Speaker 5: confusing and I think the structure of the game is

996
00:50:29,187 --> 00:50:30,307
Speaker 5: the biggest issue we face.

997
00:50:30,787 --> 00:50:32,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, so why are South Africa having the having their

998
00:50:33,027 --> 00:50:36,347
Speaker 2: T twenty competition which is being used to attrack players

999
00:50:36,387 --> 00:50:38,947
Speaker 2: like Devon Conway, King Williamson and others. Why are they

1000
00:50:39,027 --> 00:50:39,987
Speaker 2: having that? In January?

1001
00:50:42,387 --> 00:50:45,987
Speaker 5: They have been one of the first movers to their

1002
00:50:46,027 --> 00:50:49,267
Speaker 5: credit where they've seen the success of the i PL

1003
00:50:49,387 --> 00:50:53,147
Speaker 5: where for seven weeks of the year, the eight weeks

1004
00:50:53,187 --> 00:50:54,627
Speaker 5: of the year the i PL has played and the

1005
00:50:54,667 --> 00:50:57,707
Speaker 5: Indian Cricket Board played no international cricket. So it's the

1006
00:50:58,027 --> 00:51:01,227
Speaker 5: only show in town in India, and that's proved to

1007
00:51:01,267 --> 00:51:04,507
Speaker 5: be very successful. Since South Africans have said, well, or

1008
00:51:04,587 --> 00:51:07,147
Speaker 5: we know that we're going to be we're likely to

1009
00:51:07,187 --> 00:51:09,747
Speaker 5: be playing less international cricket in the future, we will

1010
00:51:09,827 --> 00:51:13,307
Speaker 5: know cricket has played far too much international bilateral cricket

1011
00:51:13,387 --> 00:51:16,387
Speaker 5: for five ten years now and almost devalued that product.

1012
00:51:16,387 --> 00:51:19,427
Speaker 5: I hate they use that word, but that's effectively what's happened.

1013
00:51:19,467 --> 00:51:21,507
Speaker 5: There's a lot of what would be described as meaningless

1014
00:51:21,547 --> 00:51:23,947
Speaker 5: cricket that don't seem that we play a lot of

1015
00:51:23,987 --> 00:51:26,227
Speaker 5: five P twenty three or three O the eyes there

1016
00:51:26,267 --> 00:51:29,227
Speaker 5: that don't sort of contribute to a higher purpose or

1017
00:51:29,307 --> 00:51:33,267
Speaker 5: goal or competition. So franchise T twenty cricketers is gained

1018
00:51:33,307 --> 00:51:35,667
Speaker 5: a lot of traction with broadcasters and fans. So South

1019
00:51:35,707 --> 00:51:38,947
Speaker 5: Africa have said for five six weeks of the year,

1020
00:51:38,987 --> 00:51:41,187
Speaker 5: we're going to our best players are going to be

1021
00:51:41,267 --> 00:51:44,747
Speaker 5: playing in the franchise competition. We will not hugil men's

1022
00:51:44,787 --> 00:51:48,587
Speaker 5: international cricket. At that time that the franchise come was

1023
00:51:48,627 --> 00:51:51,027
Speaker 5: the main focus and it's been hugely successful in the

1024
00:51:51,107 --> 00:51:53,467
Speaker 5: last two or three years. Last year we saw that

1025
00:51:54,507 --> 00:51:57,267
Speaker 5: they sent effective BC team out to play us in

1026
00:51:57,347 --> 00:52:00,227
Speaker 5: Test cricket because the best players were focused on the

1027
00:52:00,307 --> 00:52:02,827
Speaker 5: T twenty comp That is where our game is going.

1028
00:52:03,427 --> 00:52:06,547
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying it's good, bad or anything our

1029
00:52:06,867 --> 00:52:11,267
Speaker 5: but it's a fact that the fans interest is now

1030
00:52:11,587 --> 00:52:15,187
Speaker 5: going towards franchise T twenty competitions ahead of a lot

1031
00:52:15,227 --> 00:52:19,707
Speaker 5: of international cricket and South Africa have prioritized it. Australians

1032
00:52:19,747 --> 00:52:22,587
Speaker 5: haven't yet, but I suspect that will be a conversation

1033
00:52:22,747 --> 00:52:25,507
Speaker 5: that's not too far away with a Big Bash, whether

1034
00:52:25,587 --> 00:52:28,867
Speaker 5: they continue to play the Big Bash at the same

1035
00:52:28,947 --> 00:52:31,227
Speaker 5: time as they're playing the means international summer.

1036
00:52:30,987 --> 00:52:31,787
Speaker 15: Of cricket back home.

1037
00:52:32,467 --> 00:52:35,747
Speaker 5: These are all all all questions at the moment that

1038
00:52:36,187 --> 00:52:38,507
Speaker 5: a lot of cricket administrators are facing and grappling with.

1039
00:52:39,547 --> 00:52:41,787
Speaker 5: And as I said earlier, you know, I think this

1040
00:52:41,947 --> 00:52:45,587
Speaker 5: is the biggest challenge of my strong view and overview

1041
00:52:45,627 --> 00:52:47,747
Speaker 5: of the World Crickets Associations. We need a piece of

1042
00:52:47,827 --> 00:52:49,507
Speaker 5: work done on the structure of the game and we

1043
00:52:49,667 --> 00:52:53,187
Speaker 5: need to decide what we want to prioritize if maybe

1044
00:52:53,227 --> 00:52:55,187
Speaker 5: we need to play this international cricket, and we have

1045
00:52:55,267 --> 00:52:58,267
Speaker 5: windows for that, and we have windows for T twenty

1046
00:52:58,507 --> 00:53:02,387
Speaker 5: franchise competitions so players aren't forced to choose and all

1047
00:53:02,547 --> 00:53:05,827
Speaker 5: our fans and fans understand what's going on around the world,

1048
00:53:05,867 --> 00:53:08,187
Speaker 5: and when we watch international cricket, we know it's the

1049
00:53:08,227 --> 00:53:11,107
Speaker 5: best players playing. That hasn't been the case in cricket

1050
00:53:11,147 --> 00:53:11,867
Speaker 5: for a long time now.

1051
00:53:12,627 --> 00:53:14,147
Speaker 2: I want to get to test cricket in a minute,

1052
00:53:14,227 --> 00:53:18,867
Speaker 2: But outside of pinnacle events, is there any meaningful international

1053
00:53:18,947 --> 00:53:19,747
Speaker 2: white ball cricket?

1054
00:53:19,827 --> 00:53:19,947
Speaker 4: Now?

1055
00:53:22,387 --> 00:53:24,387
Speaker 5: Well as to the players who are playing at the time,

1056
00:53:24,947 --> 00:53:27,747
Speaker 5: you know, we've all got to be careful here when

1057
00:53:27,787 --> 00:53:30,587
Speaker 5: you're playing for your country, you know, and you get

1058
00:53:30,587 --> 00:53:34,267
Speaker 5: the opportunity to it's CIN certainly very very meaningful, and

1059
00:53:34,467 --> 00:53:37,267
Speaker 5: there's some good white ball cricket played one day cricket,

1060
00:53:37,267 --> 00:53:40,907
Speaker 5: particularly in T twenty. But I think that the question

1061
00:53:41,067 --> 00:53:44,667
Speaker 5: we all have is what's the purpose of it? So

1062
00:53:44,747 --> 00:53:47,467
Speaker 5: we all know ICC events are going from strength to strength,

1063
00:53:47,907 --> 00:53:50,507
Speaker 5: occupy about four or five weeks of the year World

1064
00:53:50,507 --> 00:53:52,507
Speaker 5: Cup every year now and there's some debate with that

1065
00:53:52,627 --> 00:53:55,507
Speaker 5: that should be the case, but it is a huge

1066
00:53:55,547 --> 00:53:59,107
Speaker 5: interest from fans because they know it's one time during

1067
00:53:59,147 --> 00:54:01,427
Speaker 5: the year when the best players are playing week and

1068
00:54:01,507 --> 00:54:05,467
Speaker 5: week out and there's ultimately a start point and then

1069
00:54:05,787 --> 00:54:09,987
Speaker 5: building to a crescendo and the winner with white ball

1070
00:54:10,067 --> 00:54:12,387
Speaker 5: series around the world year or what what do they want?

1071
00:54:12,427 --> 00:54:14,227
Speaker 5: What do we play them for? What's their purpose? What

1072
00:54:14,347 --> 00:54:14,787
Speaker 5: do they mean?

1073
00:54:14,907 --> 00:54:15,067
Speaker 13: Now?

1074
00:54:15,267 --> 00:54:18,347
Speaker 5: Some of them are very important for qualifying for the

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Speaker 5: ICC events, and maybe that's what we need to go

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00:54:22,027 --> 00:54:24,427
Speaker 5: back to. We just have white ball series that are

1077
00:54:24,507 --> 00:54:28,387
Speaker 5: qualifying series for the for the upcoming ic C will

1078
00:54:28,467 --> 00:54:30,507
Speaker 5: cut then they've got lots of meaning and lots of

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00:54:30,547 --> 00:54:33,067
Speaker 5: context for people. So you know, there are all these

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00:54:33,147 --> 00:54:35,747
Speaker 5: all these there's a good question and I don't know

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00:54:35,827 --> 00:54:38,107
Speaker 5: the answer to it, but I you know, I think

1082
00:54:38,187 --> 00:54:41,067
Speaker 5: this is where we need to focus our attention in

1083
00:54:41,147 --> 00:54:42,147
Speaker 5: the short term and cricket.

1084
00:54:43,387 --> 00:54:45,387
Speaker 2: What is the place of Test cricket right now? Then,

1085
00:54:45,427 --> 00:54:48,827
Speaker 2: in this ever changing landscape hei where does Test cricket

1086
00:54:49,347 --> 00:54:50,387
Speaker 2: sit among.

1087
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Speaker 14: All of this?

1088
00:54:52,947 --> 00:54:56,747
Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting, uh, you know, Test cricket has been

1089
00:54:56,827 --> 00:55:01,147
Speaker 5: the traditional format. That's the format that people mind your

1090
00:55:01,227 --> 00:55:06,587
Speaker 5: generation love the most. You know, the interesting data coming

1091
00:55:06,627 --> 00:55:08,907
Speaker 5: out there. People under the age of thirty aren't necessarily

1092
00:55:08,947 --> 00:55:12,747
Speaker 5: watching Test cricket now, and I think it's The Test

1093
00:55:12,787 --> 00:55:15,267
Speaker 5: Championship has been wonderful for it. It's given it a

1094
00:55:15,347 --> 00:55:19,467
Speaker 5: bit of focus. Players certainly like playing Test cricket, there's

1095
00:55:19,467 --> 00:55:23,947
Speaker 5: no doubt about that, but it still lacks context to

1096
00:55:24,027 --> 00:55:27,067
Speaker 5: meaning we have series that involved one match here, two

1097
00:55:27,147 --> 00:55:31,667
Speaker 5: matches there, five matches over there. Not everyone plays each

1098
00:55:31,707 --> 00:55:33,907
Speaker 5: other the same amount of time, So you've got the

1099
00:55:33,987 --> 00:55:38,747
Speaker 5: Test Championship final. I don't know another sporting evental competition

1100
00:55:38,867 --> 00:55:41,307
Speaker 5: in the world where the participants decide how many around

1101
00:55:41,387 --> 00:55:44,787
Speaker 5: Roman games they play against each other, and it's uneven

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00:55:44,987 --> 00:55:48,747
Speaker 5: and somehow the points are worked out to ultimately see

1103
00:55:48,787 --> 00:55:51,507
Speaker 5: someone the clear that you know the winner and that

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00:55:51,787 --> 00:55:54,347
Speaker 5: coming second to playing the Test Championship final. Look, I

1105
00:55:54,627 --> 00:55:57,147
Speaker 5: work in cricket and I couldn't tell tell you the

1106
00:55:57,347 --> 00:56:00,747
Speaker 5: points system that works out the finalists for the Test Championship.

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00:56:00,867 --> 00:56:04,427
Speaker 5: So I think the boards have failed Test Cricket. They'll

1108
00:56:04,507 --> 00:56:07,507
Speaker 5: be very clear about that may be popular with some,

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00:56:07,747 --> 00:56:10,387
Speaker 5: but the various national boards around the world have not

1110
00:56:10,507 --> 00:56:14,067
Speaker 5: come together and agreed to schedule for Test cricket that

1111
00:56:14,307 --> 00:56:16,947
Speaker 5: is fair for everyone and makes sense, and they could

1112
00:56:16,987 --> 00:56:19,067
Speaker 5: easily do that, and they could easily have an annual

1113
00:56:19,187 --> 00:56:22,427
Speaker 5: Test Championship, but that has not happened. So I think

1114
00:56:22,667 --> 00:56:25,787
Speaker 5: because we see just series pop up all over the show,

1115
00:56:27,067 --> 00:56:31,747
Speaker 5: people don't know what the points count for. What they're

1116
00:56:31,787 --> 00:56:34,827
Speaker 5: not building towards it your and your final or an

1117
00:56:34,827 --> 00:56:38,067
Speaker 5: annual competition, so other than the Test Championship Final every

1118
00:56:38,107 --> 00:56:41,187
Speaker 5: two years, which no one really understands the points too.

1119
00:56:41,307 --> 00:56:46,027
Speaker 5: So I always think Test Cricket will exist. The players

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Speaker 5: want to play it, but I think there's a lot

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00:56:49,547 --> 00:56:52,747
Speaker 5: of work to do from the boards if they want

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00:56:52,827 --> 00:56:56,947
Speaker 5: to remain a foundational piece of the overall cricket program.

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Speaker 2: Could the calendar, heath could Could it be just test

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00:57:01,427 --> 00:57:05,667
Speaker 2: cricket and franchise T twenty cricket that's all. Could you

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Speaker 2: see a time when that is the cricket and calendar?

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Speaker 18: Possibly?

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00:57:11,467 --> 00:57:15,507
Speaker 5: Possibly there would need to be qualifying series for the

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00:57:15,827 --> 00:57:19,947
Speaker 5: ICC events, but they don't need to be substantive. But

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00:57:21,467 --> 00:57:24,947
Speaker 5: my strong view is that we are going to need

1130
00:57:25,027 --> 00:57:27,467
Speaker 5: to land with windows now that will be forced on

1131
00:57:27,587 --> 00:57:31,907
Speaker 5: the national boards through the growth of T twenty franchise competitions,

1132
00:57:31,987 --> 00:57:36,787
Speaker 5: which I might add they own as well, that we

1133
00:57:36,787 --> 00:57:40,267
Speaker 5: will end up with windows for franchise cricket T twenty cricket,

1134
00:57:40,467 --> 00:57:43,867
Speaker 5: and I think there's three comfortable windows during the year

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00:57:45,227 --> 00:57:49,227
Speaker 5: April May for the subcontinent, you'd have sort of July

1136
00:57:49,427 --> 00:57:52,867
Speaker 5: August for the UK, the Caribbean and the US and

1137
00:57:53,267 --> 00:57:56,707
Speaker 5: probably January early February for Southern Hemisphere. We could have

1138
00:57:56,827 --> 00:57:59,827
Speaker 5: windows where if there was rules that were structure that

1139
00:57:59,947 --> 00:58:02,947
Speaker 5: was regulated, you could only play T twenty franchise competitions.

1140
00:58:02,987 --> 00:58:06,267
Speaker 5: Then then outside of that you could have an international

1141
00:58:06,467 --> 00:58:10,107
Speaker 5: test program. In fact, we could determine, we could decide

1142
00:58:10,147 --> 00:58:12,267
Speaker 5: that by the end of the day, Piney and get

1143
00:58:12,307 --> 00:58:14,547
Speaker 5: it in Stone and it would be it would be

1144
00:58:14,587 --> 00:58:17,227
Speaker 5: a great a great outcome. But the politics of the

1145
00:58:17,307 --> 00:58:20,907
Speaker 5: world game in the way the ICC structure, that's not

1146
00:58:20,987 --> 00:58:24,267
Speaker 5: a global governing body, it's a members organization, and the

1147
00:58:24,427 --> 00:58:27,707
Speaker 5: National Cricket Board all wants to structure their own program

1148
00:58:27,867 --> 00:58:31,867
Speaker 5: themselves and design their program that suits them and won't

1149
00:58:31,947 --> 00:58:36,067
Speaker 5: come together and compromise to get a sort of structure

1150
00:58:36,147 --> 00:58:38,427
Speaker 5: to the game, which I talked about earlier, which I

1151
00:58:38,547 --> 00:58:41,467
Speaker 5: think is a sad indictment on our sport.

1152
00:58:41,947 --> 00:58:43,827
Speaker 2: You can probably include New Yelling Cricket in that heath

1153
00:58:43,867 --> 00:58:45,627
Speaker 2: because I'm pretty sure they don't want to have no

1154
00:58:45,787 --> 00:58:49,067
Speaker 2: international cricket in January and February every year. Would that

1155
00:58:49,147 --> 00:58:49,467
Speaker 2: be fair?

1156
00:58:50,867 --> 00:58:51,027
Speaker 14: Oh?

1157
00:58:51,627 --> 00:58:54,627
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, And I know we have a very

1158
00:58:54,947 --> 00:58:58,027
Speaker 5: very strong working relationship with New Zealand Cricket and they're

1159
00:58:58,027 --> 00:59:01,627
Speaker 5: a small board and you know, we don't generate a

1160
00:59:01,667 --> 00:59:03,267
Speaker 5: lot of commercial revenue here in this part of the

1161
00:59:03,307 --> 00:59:06,827
Speaker 5: world and we rely on the system working together. Yeah,

1162
00:59:07,227 --> 00:59:10,147
Speaker 5: so I empathize for them with them, but they do

1163
00:59:10,227 --> 00:59:13,787
Speaker 5: sit around the table and of course they want cricket

1164
00:59:13,827 --> 00:59:17,907
Speaker 5: play here in January and February. It's that's our summer

1165
00:59:17,947 --> 00:59:20,507
Speaker 5: months for cricket. That's when people want to engage in

1166
00:59:20,587 --> 00:59:23,467
Speaker 5: the sport here. So you know, I think this is

1167
00:59:23,507 --> 00:59:25,827
Speaker 5: why I think we've got some challenges ahead as a sport.

1168
00:59:25,867 --> 00:59:29,107
Speaker 5: You know, if there's going to be a big franchise

1169
00:59:29,147 --> 00:59:32,227
Speaker 5: comp in Australia and South Africa and who knows else

1170
00:59:32,307 --> 00:59:35,707
Speaker 5: with the UAE at the moment played in January then,

1171
00:59:35,827 --> 00:59:38,587
Speaker 5: and the money they're offering our players, I can tell

1172
00:59:38,627 --> 00:59:41,987
Speaker 5: you is significant, significantly more than they can in here,

1173
00:59:42,947 --> 00:59:44,787
Speaker 5: then we're going to have a problem. So do we

1174
00:59:44,867 --> 00:59:47,387
Speaker 5: need to start thinking about do we move the Super

1175
00:59:47,427 --> 00:59:50,867
Speaker 5: Smash competition? Do we play it at different times? Do

1176
00:59:50,987 --> 00:59:54,787
Speaker 5: we think about how we structure our international summer. I

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00:59:54,907 --> 00:59:57,787
Speaker 5: think that's all got to be on the table. But

1178
00:59:57,867 --> 01:00:00,107
Speaker 5: there's not an easy answer there because wherever you move

1179
01:00:00,187 --> 01:00:02,147
Speaker 5: it to it at the moment, with how the structure

1180
01:00:02,187 --> 01:00:04,507
Speaker 5: works with it kind of is no structure to the game.

1181
01:00:05,147 --> 01:00:08,347
Speaker 5: It will collide with something else. So these are these

1182
01:00:08,347 --> 01:00:10,427
Speaker 5: are big questions and big issues for us. If we

1183
01:00:10,507 --> 01:00:12,827
Speaker 5: want to maximize the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: With our sport, do you feel optimistic or not, And.

1185
01:00:17,067 --> 01:00:19,827
Speaker 5: I thank you for asking me that, because I often

1186
01:00:19,867 --> 01:00:21,907
Speaker 5: feel when I'm talking about these issues that I sound

1187
01:00:21,987 --> 01:00:26,987
Speaker 5: really negative. I don't mean to. Cricket is in a

1188
01:00:27,107 --> 01:00:32,907
Speaker 5: wonderful space. Cricket internationally is exploding in terms of interest, fans, revenue.

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01:00:33,427 --> 01:00:36,787
Speaker 5: The game is growing like no tomorrow with the ad

1190
01:00:36,867 --> 01:00:39,587
Speaker 5: benefit of T twenty as a format, so we should

1191
01:00:39,627 --> 01:00:43,027
Speaker 5: be celebrating that. So I am. I am optimistic. I

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01:00:43,187 --> 01:00:46,107
Speaker 5: just think there's got to be some crunchy discussions and

1193
01:00:46,267 --> 01:00:48,467
Speaker 5: negotiations over the next three to five years.

1194
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Speaker 2: Great to chat, Hey, I feel like we could yearn

1195
01:00:52,067 --> 01:00:53,547
Speaker 2: for a lot longer, but I think we might leave

1196
01:00:53,547 --> 01:00:55,387
Speaker 2: it there and give our listeners a go. But always

1197
01:00:55,427 --> 01:00:59,627
Speaker 2: appreciate your your availability and your and you're you're straight

1198
01:00:59,707 --> 01:01:00,507
Speaker 2: up and down this mate.

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Speaker 5: Good to chat, all good Jason, all the best, mate,

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01:01:03,227 --> 01:01:04,027
Speaker 5: Thank you, all the best.

1201
01:01:03,867 --> 01:01:06,387
Speaker 2: Of you too. Thanks mate. He's Mills there, CEO the

1202
01:01:06,427 --> 01:01:09,147
Speaker 2: New Zealand Cricket Players Association. But to pick up on

1203
01:01:09,267 --> 01:01:12,027
Speaker 2: there a couple of areas that you may wish to

1204
01:01:12,107 --> 01:01:17,427
Speaker 2: comment upon. I mean, I tend to agree with Heath

1205
01:01:17,467 --> 01:01:20,107
Speaker 2: Mills on quite a lot of what he says that

1206
01:01:21,147 --> 01:01:25,827
Speaker 2: this is its incumbent on all of the international boards.

1207
01:01:25,907 --> 01:01:31,787
Speaker 2: New Zealand cricket, you know, Cricket Australia, you know the BCCI, England,

1208
01:01:31,827 --> 01:01:34,387
Speaker 2: Wales cricket board, all of them. It's incumbent on all

1209
01:01:34,467 --> 01:01:38,747
Speaker 2: of them to somehow come up with a calendar that

1210
01:01:39,187 --> 01:01:42,027
Speaker 2: it's not going to suit everybody. It's absolutely not going

1211
01:01:42,067 --> 01:01:43,867
Speaker 2: to suit everybody. I mean, if like I say, if

1212
01:01:43,907 --> 01:01:47,347
Speaker 2: you say to Scott Weenick, look Scott, here's what we're

1213
01:01:47,347 --> 01:01:50,667
Speaker 2: going to do. No international cricket in January or February.

1214
01:01:51,747 --> 01:01:54,987
Speaker 2: The other windows that Heath mentioned there were April May

1215
01:01:55,507 --> 01:01:59,787
Speaker 2: and then kind of June, July or July August. If

1216
01:01:59,827 --> 01:02:01,707
Speaker 2: you said to Scott when look, look we're going to

1217
01:02:01,747 --> 01:02:05,987
Speaker 2: have a T twenty franchise window in January and February

1218
01:02:06,067 --> 01:02:09,707
Speaker 2: every year, he of course is gonna bulk at that,

1219
01:02:09,867 --> 01:02:13,307
Speaker 2: isn't he because that is traditionally when our international cricket

1220
01:02:13,387 --> 01:02:16,267
Speaker 2: is played. You know the fact that there's no international

1221
01:02:16,347 --> 01:02:19,547
Speaker 2: cricket in January of twenty twenty five is a big thing.

1222
01:02:19,907 --> 01:02:25,107
Speaker 2: It's almost unprecedented. The only international cricket in New Zealand

1223
01:02:25,467 --> 01:02:28,987
Speaker 2: in the upcoming summer is before Christmas, and you know,

1224
01:02:29,387 --> 01:02:33,627
Speaker 2: so that in itself has caused a lot of discussion.

1225
01:02:33,707 --> 01:02:38,187
Speaker 2: But maybe we just have to look at a way

1226
01:02:38,827 --> 01:02:41,907
Speaker 2: of making sure that that because if we don't look

1227
01:02:41,947 --> 01:02:45,787
Speaker 2: at a way to slot everything in, then more and

1228
01:02:45,907 --> 01:02:47,867
Speaker 2: more players are just going to turn their back on

1229
01:02:47,867 --> 01:02:51,227
Speaker 2: an international cricket They just are there, you know, if

1230
01:02:51,267 --> 01:02:52,947
Speaker 2: there's going to be players who look, if there was

1231
01:02:53,067 --> 01:02:56,667
Speaker 2: international cricket here in New Zealand in January, then that

1232
01:02:56,787 --> 01:02:58,827
Speaker 2: might have been a different discussion. For the likes of

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01:02:58,907 --> 01:03:02,027
Speaker 2: Devon Conway and Kan Williamson. It's probably quite fortunate for

1234
01:03:02,067 --> 01:03:03,787
Speaker 2: them that this year there isn't so they can quite

1235
01:03:03,827 --> 01:03:06,827
Speaker 2: happily go off and play in South Africa. But if

1236
01:03:06,907 --> 01:03:11,507
Speaker 2: there is international cricket to be played in January and February,

1237
01:03:11,587 --> 01:03:15,107
Speaker 2: and yet the South African competition continues in that window,

1238
01:03:15,467 --> 01:03:19,467
Speaker 2: the Big Bash, maybe things to itself look will do

1239
01:03:19,587 --> 01:03:22,987
Speaker 2: the same and schedule international cricket outside the Big Bash,

1240
01:03:23,387 --> 01:03:26,267
Speaker 2: and Cricket Australia make that move. There may be New

1241
01:03:26,347 --> 01:03:29,147
Speaker 2: Zealand just have to do the same thing. And what

1242
01:03:29,187 --> 01:03:32,827
Speaker 2: does that mean for our Big Bash, our Super Smash, rather,

1243
01:03:34,107 --> 01:03:38,427
Speaker 2: can it possibly hope to compete in the same window

1244
01:03:39,227 --> 01:03:43,387
Speaker 2: with the Big Bash? And the South African Competition, which,

1245
01:03:43,427 --> 01:03:45,787
Speaker 2: even though it's new, by the sounds of it, from

1246
01:03:45,787 --> 01:03:49,107
Speaker 2: what Heath was saying, is paying its players very well.

1247
01:03:49,907 --> 01:03:51,947
Speaker 2: Can you ever see a time when the Super Smash

1248
01:03:52,667 --> 01:03:55,427
Speaker 2: attracts the best T twenty players in the world? And

1249
01:03:55,507 --> 01:03:57,227
Speaker 2: if that was the case, then would it be more

1250
01:03:57,267 --> 01:04:01,707
Speaker 2: palatable or would our Super Smash just be very much

1251
01:04:01,747 --> 01:04:04,827
Speaker 2: a third option behind the other two? A bit to

1252
01:04:04,867 --> 01:04:08,547
Speaker 2: get into eight hundred nine nine two if you would

1253
01:04:08,547 --> 01:04:10,587
Speaker 2: prefer to send a text can to hear thoughts on this?

1254
01:04:10,747 --> 01:04:13,067
Speaker 2: One thirty on news Talks HEB. We're back with your

1255
01:04:13,147 --> 01:04:13,707
Speaker 2: calls after.

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01:04:13,627 --> 01:04:17,067
Speaker 1: This live from dyn Park on your home of sports

1257
01:04:17,267 --> 01:04:21,427
Speaker 1: Weekend Sports with Jason five and gj under Hooves, New

1258
01:04:21,507 --> 01:04:24,347
Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talk zed B.

1259
01:04:24,867 --> 01:04:27,547
Speaker 2: One thirty three on News Talk ZEDB. It's actually looking

1260
01:04:27,587 --> 01:04:29,427
Speaker 2: a bit brighter out there. All I thought it was,

1261
01:04:29,467 --> 01:04:31,947
Speaker 2: but then I realized that it's because they've turned the

1262
01:04:32,027 --> 01:04:34,067
Speaker 2: lights on here at Eden Park. I thought, oh gee,

1263
01:04:34,107 --> 01:04:36,067
Speaker 2: it's looking a lot brighter than it was before. It's

1264
01:04:36,067 --> 01:04:38,827
Speaker 2: because they've turned the lights on. I pad ahama, I'm

1265
01:04:38,867 --> 01:04:40,027
Speaker 2: glad you've called mate. How are you?

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01:04:41,387 --> 01:04:41,587
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1267
01:04:41,667 --> 01:04:41,827
Speaker 5: Good?

1268
01:04:41,867 --> 01:04:44,307
Speaker 19: Pinney I was a bit sleep deprived of the last

1269
01:04:44,347 --> 01:04:45,947
Speaker 19: few weeks. That's where I haven't heard from me. But

1270
01:04:48,107 --> 01:04:51,667
Speaker 19: nothing like talking about of crickets in the middle of

1271
01:04:51,667 --> 01:04:57,667
Speaker 19: the winter. I'm glad Heap's optimistic, but you know, I'm

1272
01:04:59,267 --> 01:05:01,747
Speaker 19: I'm a New Zealant cricket fan. I'm support of the

1273
01:05:01,827 --> 01:05:06,667
Speaker 19: black Caps, but you know we are. And you talk

1274
01:05:06,707 --> 01:05:10,227
Speaker 19: about international boards, but let's be honest, the international game

1275
01:05:10,387 --> 01:05:13,347
Speaker 19: is the b C C I. They're generated at the cash.

1276
01:05:15,307 --> 01:05:19,827
Speaker 19: All those franchise comps are bankrolled by the BCCI and

1277
01:05:19,987 --> 01:05:23,427
Speaker 19: i PL franchises. Really, you know, they're already they already

1278
01:05:23,427 --> 01:05:25,107
Speaker 19: got their eye on one hundred and things like that.

1279
01:05:26,027 --> 01:05:32,547
Speaker 19: The South African comp has aligned with IPL franchises, so

1280
01:05:34,027 --> 01:05:38,627
Speaker 19: we whatever crumbs for our way. That's that's sort of

1281
01:05:39,107 --> 01:05:42,667
Speaker 19: the structure of the game because money talks piney and

1282
01:05:42,827 --> 01:05:44,387
Speaker 19: sport and everything.

1283
01:05:44,507 --> 01:05:49,227
Speaker 18: Really, and I am super worried about.

1284
01:05:49,027 --> 01:05:51,267
Speaker 19: Test cricker, to be honest. You know, we play these

1285
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Speaker 19: two Test series because.

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Speaker 11: We can't.

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01:05:56,347 --> 01:05:59,667
Speaker 19: You know, the white ball stuff bank rolls our stuff.

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Speaker 19: The schedules at the whim of okay, there's the BCCI

1289
01:06:04,787 --> 01:06:07,227
Speaker 19: and in this England and the Big three.

1290
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Speaker 13: And you know, a lot.

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Speaker 18: All the others are really.

1292
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Speaker 19: Struggling, and I think it's symptomatic of these guys not

1293
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Speaker 19: taking central contracts.

1294
01:06:18,627 --> 01:06:19,747
Speaker 16: And you know, they're pros.

1295
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Speaker 19: They're they're they're they're making a living.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 18: It's like that Major League Cricket.

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Speaker 19: There was a lot of I didn't watch it. I

1299
01:06:28,747 --> 01:06:29,947
Speaker 19: don't care for it, but.

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Speaker 18: That is almost like sick into the IPL in terms

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Speaker 18: of talent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the money that's paid. So yeah, I'll pet

1303
01:06:39,747 --> 01:06:41,427
Speaker 2: come and signed a four year deal over there.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, they're all over there.

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01:06:44,067 --> 01:06:44,227
Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 19: I heard an interviewed Zampa. He just he wasn't over there,

1307
01:06:47,187 --> 01:06:49,267
Speaker 19: but he liked playing in the hundred. He liked hanging

1308
01:06:49,307 --> 01:06:51,547
Speaker 19: out in London. But yeah, if you're going for money,

1309
01:06:51,907 --> 01:06:55,067
Speaker 19: you were over in the in the US playing cricket.

1310
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Speaker 19: You know, they got that subcontinent diaspora over there, and

1311
01:06:59,267 --> 01:07:02,187
Speaker 19: you know, it's there's a lot of people sports seems

1312
01:07:02,387 --> 01:07:04,227
Speaker 19: obsessed with cracking the US and whatnot.

1313
01:07:04,307 --> 01:07:11,507
Speaker 18: But yeah, unless India makes a big move.

1314
01:07:11,467 --> 01:07:15,027
Speaker 19: Around wanting to save the international game, they it won't

1315
01:07:15,107 --> 01:07:17,547
Speaker 19: And I'm not saying it's going to die, but you know,

1316
01:07:18,067 --> 01:07:21,027
Speaker 19: we might be playing amongst ourselves and then like really

1317
01:07:21,107 --> 01:07:23,147
Speaker 19: just trying to get India down there every few years

1318
01:07:23,227 --> 01:07:27,347
Speaker 19: to try and get some broadcast money or whatnot. But yeah,

1319
01:07:28,307 --> 01:07:30,267
Speaker 19: it's self interest at the end of the day.

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Speaker 16: Crickets exploding.

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Speaker 19: But I don't know, maybe we're just getting overtaken a

1322
01:07:35,027 --> 01:07:36,827
Speaker 19: bit in a lot of a lot of areas.

1323
01:07:37,347 --> 01:07:40,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think cricket. Cricket's exploding. Yeah, cricket's exploding. A

1324
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Speaker 2: part of hammer absolutely, but it's white ball cricket. It's

1325
01:07:42,307 --> 01:07:45,507
Speaker 2: T twenty cricket that's exploding. And I'm like you, we're

1326
01:07:45,547 --> 01:07:46,867
Speaker 2: Test cricket fans. You and I like to sit on

1327
01:07:46,907 --> 01:07:48,907
Speaker 2: the bank at the base or wherever for five days

1328
01:07:48,947 --> 01:07:51,907
Speaker 2: quite happily watching a Test match. But we are becoming

1329
01:07:52,507 --> 01:07:56,467
Speaker 2: fewer and further between. I think, you know, Test cricket

1330
01:07:56,547 --> 01:08:01,107
Speaker 2: fanatics are just not being not being developed anymore. You know,

1331
01:08:01,507 --> 01:08:04,627
Speaker 2: I've got a test here, a text here. Test cricket

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01:08:04,707 --> 01:08:06,587
Speaker 2: is basically boring for most people under the edge of

1333
01:08:06,667 --> 01:08:09,547
Speaker 2: thirty T twenties made it exciting, you know, it's it's

1334
01:08:10,227 --> 01:08:17,147
Speaker 2: I guess that's the landscape within which we now live. Yep, unfortunately,

1335
01:08:17,507 --> 01:08:18,907
Speaker 2: But I would like to spend some time on the

1336
01:08:18,947 --> 01:08:20,707
Speaker 2: bank at the basemin with you or at the ground

1337
01:08:20,747 --> 01:08:22,827
Speaker 2: of your choosing mate. Oh eight one hundred and eighty

1338
01:08:22,907 --> 01:08:27,067
Speaker 2: ten eighty is out number nine two nine two. If

1339
01:08:27,107 --> 01:08:28,667
Speaker 2: you would like to send a text, could I felt?

1340
01:08:29,907 --> 01:08:31,587
Speaker 20: Could I plenty? How are you going?

1341
01:08:31,587 --> 01:08:31,907
Speaker 5: All right?

1342
01:08:32,307 --> 01:08:32,587
Speaker 21: Very good?

1343
01:08:32,627 --> 01:08:32,867
Speaker 13: Thank you?

1344
01:08:34,147 --> 01:08:39,067
Speaker 20: Nice? Nice? Yeah, I agree a lot with your last

1345
01:08:39,147 --> 01:08:42,867
Speaker 20: caller there and a lot of what he's said. And yeah,

1346
01:08:42,907 --> 01:08:45,747
Speaker 20: I think it's like the fellow that you had on

1347
01:08:46,587 --> 01:08:48,907
Speaker 20: was it what was his name, Heith Mills.

1348
01:08:48,787 --> 01:08:51,187
Speaker 2: Heath Mills, Yeah, ahead of the Players Association, Yep.

1349
01:08:51,987 --> 01:08:53,667
Speaker 20: Yeah, he was great to listen to. And I think,

1350
01:08:53,787 --> 01:08:55,827
Speaker 20: like he said, it would have to be up to

1351
01:08:55,907 --> 01:08:59,387
Speaker 20: the boards of the different organizations and countries to get

1352
01:08:59,427 --> 01:09:03,187
Speaker 20: together to do something to work it out in that situation.

1353
01:09:03,347 --> 01:09:07,227
Speaker 20: But I think like a super smash is it. I

1354
01:09:07,307 --> 01:09:10,907
Speaker 20: don't think it'll ever like a track the big players

1355
01:09:11,107 --> 01:09:15,187
Speaker 20: simply because that we just won't have the money We're

1356
01:09:15,187 --> 01:09:17,347
Speaker 20: about to generate the money of the revenue to pay

1357
01:09:17,427 --> 01:09:22,067
Speaker 20: them to like the South African South African Cricket World

1358
01:09:22,267 --> 01:09:24,627
Speaker 20: or Indian Cricket or you know, any of those big

1359
01:09:24,707 --> 01:09:28,947
Speaker 20: players with the huge populations that can offer the big

1360
01:09:29,027 --> 01:09:31,707
Speaker 20: money to the top players to go and play in

1361
01:09:31,827 --> 01:09:35,547
Speaker 20: those leagues, and I don't think they're super smash ever

1362
01:09:36,667 --> 01:09:38,947
Speaker 20: be able to compete with the Aussie Big Bash and

1363
01:09:39,027 --> 01:09:44,307
Speaker 20: the South Africans and the Indians. So yeah, but I'm

1364
01:09:44,347 --> 01:09:47,307
Speaker 20: a cricket, Test cricket fan, and I'm an all round

1365
01:09:47,347 --> 01:09:50,507
Speaker 20: cricket fan and every big cricket fan, white or Red Bull.

1366
01:09:50,587 --> 01:09:53,467
Speaker 20: You know, the days of me and my grandparents sitting

1367
01:09:53,507 --> 01:09:57,147
Speaker 20: on the old and Clyde were Alexander there, you know,

1368
01:09:57,267 --> 01:10:00,067
Speaker 20: on the old veranda, listening to the old radio, listening

1369
01:10:00,147 --> 01:10:02,027
Speaker 20: to Test cricket all day sort of thing. You know,

1370
01:10:03,787 --> 01:10:06,187
Speaker 20: I wanted to if I could two pointed because I can't.

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01:10:06,187 --> 01:10:09,467
Speaker 20: Re backs have already run once. But I said to Andy,

1372
01:10:09,587 --> 01:10:11,067
Speaker 20: I just wanted to get a quick one in the

1373
01:10:11,147 --> 01:10:15,307
Speaker 20: rugby as well. If that's okay, yep, go for it, okay.

1374
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Speaker 20: I think I think one of the things about the

1375
01:10:19,267 --> 01:10:23,867
Speaker 20: Argentinians like that is that I think we've taken them

1376
01:10:23,907 --> 01:10:26,147
Speaker 20: a bit light the general public, you know, the New

1377
01:10:26,187 --> 01:10:28,467
Speaker 20: Zealand public, and haven't given him the respect that they

1378
01:10:28,627 --> 01:10:32,867
Speaker 20: deserve because I've always rated them and they've got better

1379
01:10:32,907 --> 01:10:34,907
Speaker 20: and better and they've become a bloody good team. Now

1380
01:10:34,987 --> 01:10:36,947
Speaker 20: you know, they've got creativity in the back line, and

1381
01:10:37,027 --> 01:10:40,107
Speaker 20: they've got good backs and they've always had strong forwards

1382
01:10:40,107 --> 01:10:43,307
Speaker 20: and I think we're just underestimating them. And I think, okay,

1383
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Speaker 20: the All Blacks, they had some bad moments in that game,

1384
01:10:46,427 --> 01:10:48,227
Speaker 20: but I thought a lot of the game it was

1385
01:10:48,307 --> 01:10:50,427
Speaker 20: quite good. It was a good game by both sides.

1386
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Speaker 20: Like Leonard Brown played great. Darry the big lock that's

1387
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Speaker 20: come and.

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Speaker 13: He was good.

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Speaker 20: And yeah, there was a couple of stuff ups and

1390
01:10:57,867 --> 01:11:00,307
Speaker 20: pock ups in the lineup and then those silly passes

1391
01:11:00,387 --> 01:11:03,427
Speaker 20: at the end where the All Blacks didn't make some mistakes,

1392
01:11:03,467 --> 01:11:05,747
Speaker 20: but I think it was more that the Argentinians forced

1393
01:11:05,747 --> 01:11:08,107
Speaker 20: the All Blacks those mistakes and putting the pressure on

1394
01:11:08,187 --> 01:11:10,827
Speaker 20: them with their defense and their creativity and their attack

1395
01:11:10,907 --> 01:11:13,907
Speaker 20: and there and just their forwards as well. And one

1396
01:11:13,947 --> 01:11:15,707
Speaker 20: of the things that I do actually worrying me a

1397
01:11:15,747 --> 01:11:18,267
Speaker 20: wee but about is when we come to play the

1398
01:11:18,347 --> 01:11:21,867
Speaker 20: South Africans. And I didn't think i'd ever say this

1399
01:11:22,027 --> 01:11:26,507
Speaker 20: about New Zealand forward pat where are we big enough

1400
01:11:26,667 --> 01:11:29,547
Speaker 20: you know, on the on the whole for man for man,

1401
01:11:29,667 --> 01:11:32,427
Speaker 20: Because when I've seen those a bit of the South

1402
01:11:32,427 --> 01:11:34,747
Speaker 20: African game plan the Australians and I looked at those

1403
01:11:35,667 --> 01:11:38,587
Speaker 20: South African forward and I thought, jeez, these buggers are

1404
01:11:38,627 --> 01:11:41,467
Speaker 20: big and they're good, and they're hard and they're fast.

1405
01:11:41,747 --> 01:11:41,907
Speaker 13: You know.

1406
01:11:42,547 --> 01:11:44,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know they're all of those things, Phil, and

1407
01:11:44,067 --> 01:11:45,307
Speaker 2: I think we're going to find that out when we

1408
01:11:45,387 --> 01:11:47,787
Speaker 2: get over there. I've got to get onto another cricket call, mate,

1409
01:11:47,787 --> 01:11:52,347
Speaker 2: But thanks for your call, and yeah, let's worry about

1410
01:11:52,347 --> 01:11:54,467
Speaker 2: tonight first and then we'll get on to South Africa.

1411
01:11:55,107 --> 01:11:55,307
Speaker 13: Rich.

1412
01:11:55,347 --> 01:11:57,107
Speaker 2: How are you feeling about the cricketing landscape. You and

1413
01:11:57,147 --> 01:11:59,587
Speaker 2: I've talked a lot about it. What's your current vie

1414
01:11:59,667 --> 01:12:01,107
Speaker 2: having listened to Heath Mills today.

1415
01:12:02,387 --> 01:12:03,947
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean it's it's a challenge.

1416
01:12:04,227 --> 01:12:07,467
Speaker 12: I mean, unfortunately, you know, with the amount of T

1417
01:12:07,627 --> 01:12:10,587
Speaker 12: twenty leagues we've got across the world. I mean I

1418
01:12:10,707 --> 01:12:13,747
Speaker 12: think at some point, you know, the ICC and when

1419
01:12:13,747 --> 01:12:16,467
Speaker 12: they have their annual meetings whenever that is, is that

1420
01:12:16,587 --> 01:12:18,387
Speaker 12: they're going to start getting a bit real here that

1421
01:12:19,027 --> 01:12:23,227
Speaker 12: you know, this whole cricketing calendar is this, this is

1422
01:12:23,267 --> 01:12:25,467
Speaker 12: all over the place pointing. So you know, I think,

1423
01:12:26,067 --> 01:12:27,747
Speaker 12: you know, if I had to choose between two, I

1424
01:12:27,947 --> 01:12:30,227
Speaker 12: have to probably say that I would have to be

1425
01:12:30,347 --> 01:12:32,427
Speaker 12: you know, we'd have t twenties and then we have

1426
01:12:32,547 --> 01:12:34,867
Speaker 12: teas cricket. I mean, unfortunately, I love my ody eyes,

1427
01:12:34,947 --> 01:12:37,227
Speaker 12: but it just seems like the Odie eyes are just

1428
01:12:37,347 --> 01:12:38,747
Speaker 12: being faced out pointing, isn't it.

1429
01:12:39,427 --> 01:12:41,627
Speaker 2: Yeah. I tend to agree. It's like that, the relevance

1430
01:12:41,707 --> 01:12:43,507
Speaker 2: of them now and not because look, I'm like you,

1431
01:12:43,787 --> 01:12:45,827
Speaker 2: I like a game of fifty other cricket. And I mean,

1432
01:12:45,947 --> 01:12:48,507
Speaker 2: apart from the final, I thought twenty nineteen was an

1433
01:12:48,547 --> 01:12:51,147
Speaker 2: incredible cricket World Cup, for example, and the one back

1434
01:12:51,147 --> 01:12:52,867
Speaker 2: here and you know, ninety two all the way back.

1435
01:12:52,907 --> 01:12:54,587
Speaker 2: But I know we're living in a different time now,

1436
01:12:54,667 --> 01:12:56,507
Speaker 2: but I just can't see how everything can be fit

1437
01:12:56,627 --> 01:12:59,827
Speaker 2: in with relevance, with and with making sure that you

1438
01:12:59,907 --> 01:13:02,947
Speaker 2: get the best players. And it may be that we

1439
01:13:03,107 --> 01:13:05,827
Speaker 2: just have to we just have to accept that that

1440
01:13:05,867 --> 01:13:07,707
Speaker 2: we're going to have to watch international cricket in New

1441
01:13:07,787 --> 01:13:10,627
Speaker 2: Zealand and November and December and then maybe at the

1442
01:13:10,667 --> 01:13:14,427
Speaker 2: back end of March or sort of in March, if

1443
01:13:14,827 --> 01:13:17,747
Speaker 2: if these windows com into being. And it feels like

1444
01:13:17,827 --> 01:13:20,507
Speaker 2: nothing's really off the table when it comes to the calendar,

1445
01:13:20,547 --> 01:13:22,227
Speaker 2: but something has to be put on the table.

1446
01:13:23,387 --> 01:13:24,187
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, it does.

1447
01:13:24,347 --> 01:13:27,427
Speaker 12: I mean, the thing is pointy. My only gripe and

1448
01:13:28,467 --> 01:13:30,587
Speaker 12: about what happened the last couple of days with Devin

1449
01:13:30,667 --> 01:13:33,947
Speaker 12: Conway is that you know, I get we're in a

1450
01:13:34,027 --> 01:13:36,507
Speaker 12: certain certain landscape, but you know we did everything we

1451
01:13:36,587 --> 01:13:39,827
Speaker 12: could think, you know, give them the opportunity. You only

1452
01:13:39,947 --> 01:13:42,387
Speaker 12: test a bird in twenty twenty one, and it's just like,

1453
01:13:43,107 --> 01:13:46,387
Speaker 12: you know, we give them the opportunity to play for Wellington,

1454
01:13:46,467 --> 01:13:48,267
Speaker 12: and then he gets to play for new Zeman and

1455
01:13:48,347 --> 01:13:50,987
Speaker 12: it's just like here we are. He gets to kind

1456
01:13:51,027 --> 01:13:53,827
Speaker 12: of just decide all right when he chooses and plays,

1457
01:13:53,867 --> 01:13:55,267
Speaker 12: and I know that he's going to be playing for

1458
01:13:55,667 --> 01:13:57,107
Speaker 12: the next nine tests.

1459
01:13:57,427 --> 01:13:58,227
Speaker 4: For the end of the year.

1460
01:13:58,467 --> 01:14:00,947
Speaker 12: But it's just it just doesn't sit well with me.

1461
01:14:01,027 --> 01:14:03,787
Speaker 12: And it's just with you know, when you go look

1462
01:14:03,827 --> 01:14:05,947
Speaker 12: at test stats and stuff, you know, when you go

1463
01:14:05,987 --> 01:14:08,067
Speaker 12: look at that current test team in the years to

1464
01:14:08,147 --> 01:14:10,747
Speaker 12: come and then how many how many tests are these

1465
01:14:10,867 --> 01:14:13,547
Speaker 12: guys that are coming through actually going to play? I mean,

1466
01:14:13,587 --> 01:14:17,107
Speaker 12: are we going to see Denise km Winnings because I

1467
01:14:17,227 --> 01:14:19,187
Speaker 12: know I want to be playing T twenty legs. It's just,

1468
01:14:19,907 --> 01:14:22,827
Speaker 12: you know, someone like Conwayneing, I really want to give

1469
01:14:22,827 --> 01:14:25,187
Speaker 12: you to spect the wonders is that he comes out

1470
01:14:25,267 --> 01:14:27,427
Speaker 12: here and then it's like next minute, I'll decide what

1471
01:14:27,467 --> 01:14:30,307
Speaker 12: I want to do next. It's just doesn't sit well

1472
01:14:30,387 --> 01:14:32,747
Speaker 12: with me. By me, that's my money. Great about that?

1473
01:14:32,827 --> 01:14:32,987
Speaker 14: You know?

1474
01:14:33,507 --> 01:14:33,707
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1475
01:14:33,747 --> 01:14:36,587
Speaker 2: I think I just I hope and I think that

1476
01:14:36,707 --> 01:14:39,427
Speaker 2: it's just this summer specific rich. The fact that there

1477
01:14:39,547 --> 01:14:42,707
Speaker 2: is no international cricket in January, I think is really

1478
01:14:42,747 --> 01:14:46,987
Speaker 2: what's tip this. I yeah, and I hope that's the case.

1479
01:14:47,027 --> 01:14:49,947
Speaker 2: I hope, without knowing for sure, I hope that if

1480
01:14:49,947 --> 01:14:53,267
Speaker 2: there had been international cricket in January that Devin Conway

1481
01:14:53,307 --> 01:14:57,227
Speaker 2: would have played that rather than playing in South Africa.

1482
01:14:57,427 --> 01:14:59,307
Speaker 2: I hope that's the case. He got to move myke,

1483
01:14:59,347 --> 01:15:01,307
Speaker 2: got to get across the across the Tasman. Always love

1484
01:15:01,347 --> 01:15:03,427
Speaker 2: chatting cricket with you. Sixteen to two new Stalks.

1485
01:15:03,467 --> 01:15:05,787
Speaker 1: There'd be back in a second, cutting down to All

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Speaker 1: Blacks v Argentina on your home of Sports Weekend Sports

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Speaker 1: Live from Eden Vine with Jason Vine and G. J. Gunnderholmes,

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01:15:13,787 --> 01:15:16,627
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted o builder News Talks eNB.

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Speaker 2: One forty seven Ossie correspondent Adam Peacock with a quick

1490
01:15:19,987 --> 01:15:22,627
Speaker 2: review of the Olympic Games. Adam eighteen goals. Fourth on

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Speaker 2: the middle table a resounding success surely, yeah for us.

1492
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Speaker 22: And you we spoke last week how happy our respective

1493
01:15:31,067 --> 01:15:35,747
Speaker 22: nations are in unison and yeah, finishing fourth on the

1494
01:15:36,547 --> 01:15:39,827
Speaker 22: metal tally speaks of a number of things going right.

1495
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Speaker 22: And yeah, you know it wasn't the I think John Coates,

1496
01:15:43,627 --> 01:15:46,667
Speaker 22: who's a heavy hitter with the AOC, said before, Yeah,

1497
01:15:46,707 --> 01:15:49,187
Speaker 22: we can win up to sixty medals. We didn't quite

1498
01:15:49,267 --> 01:15:53,547
Speaker 22: get there, but happily we converted a lot to actually winning,

1499
01:15:54,187 --> 01:15:56,267
Speaker 22: as opposed to the US, who made a habit of

1500
01:15:56,307 --> 01:15:58,427
Speaker 22: finishing second and third in that first week, but got

1501
01:15:58,467 --> 01:16:02,027
Speaker 22: things going to finish on top. But overall, there weren't

1502
01:16:02,027 --> 01:16:08,147
Speaker 22: too many Australian stories of disappointment or missing out or

1503
01:16:08,267 --> 01:16:11,307
Speaker 22: not performing at their absolute best, apart from one that's

1504
01:16:11,387 --> 01:16:13,187
Speaker 22: kicked off all conds of debate, which we'll get to

1505
01:16:13,267 --> 01:16:16,787
Speaker 22: in a second. But aside from that, it was pretty

1506
01:16:16,867 --> 01:16:21,147
Speaker 22: much a tale of athletes coming home with big spots

1507
01:16:21,147 --> 01:16:24,267
Speaker 22: on their face because they would fall to expectations like

1508
01:16:24,427 --> 01:16:28,347
Speaker 22: bod example being the seventh program, the rugby seven, the

1509
01:16:28,427 --> 01:16:31,187
Speaker 22: hockey program, both men and women falling out a little

1510
01:16:31,187 --> 01:16:33,467
Speaker 22: short of a metal where they wanted to but across

1511
01:16:33,547 --> 01:16:35,907
Speaker 22: the board. There were some fantastic performances and results.

1512
01:16:36,107 --> 01:16:37,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time we looked up on the screen, that

1513
01:16:37,747 --> 01:16:40,227
Speaker 2: seemed that there was somebody in green and gold somewhere

1514
01:16:40,267 --> 01:16:42,227
Speaker 2: near the top of the podium. The Australian though, who,

1515
01:16:42,307 --> 01:16:44,587
Speaker 2: as you say, went viral probably more than any other,

1516
01:16:44,787 --> 01:16:48,547
Speaker 2: was Raygun your breakdancer. Where does the weight of public

1517
01:16:48,627 --> 01:16:51,387
Speaker 2: opinion fall with regards.

1518
01:16:51,027 --> 01:16:54,267
Speaker 22: To her, Yes, a few people getting strangely fired up

1519
01:16:54,267 --> 01:16:56,467
Speaker 22: about this because I wouldn't have thought that their day

1520
01:16:56,467 --> 01:17:00,707
Speaker 22: to day, their day to day being was centered around

1521
01:17:00,787 --> 01:17:05,667
Speaker 22: being critical or praising of break dancing. But that's where

1522
01:17:05,667 --> 01:17:09,107
Speaker 22: we're at at the moment. Everyone's got an opinion. My

1523
01:17:09,307 --> 01:17:12,027
Speaker 22: personal opinion is that she's just the product of the

1524
01:17:12,107 --> 01:17:13,827
Speaker 22: process that was in place, and if you're going to

1525
01:17:13,867 --> 01:17:17,347
Speaker 22: blame anything, blame the process. If you're unhappy about someone

1526
01:17:17,707 --> 01:17:20,907
Speaker 22: getting through. Look, I'm going my girls are in dance,

1527
01:17:20,907 --> 01:17:22,627
Speaker 22: So I'm going to a night to night which.

1528
01:17:22,507 --> 01:17:23,787
Speaker 14: Is a hip hop theme.

1529
01:17:24,227 --> 01:17:25,827
Speaker 22: I'm sure as he'll not getting out of a seat,

1530
01:17:25,827 --> 01:17:29,787
Speaker 22: by the way, and I'm going to see some unbelievable

1531
01:17:29,827 --> 01:17:33,147
Speaker 22: I know, I'm going to see some incredible dancing. Especially

1532
01:17:34,587 --> 01:17:36,827
Speaker 22: there's some troops out from the West Sydney, which just

1533
01:17:36,907 --> 01:17:38,547
Speaker 22: blow your mind every time you're saying.

1534
01:17:40,467 --> 01:17:41,467
Speaker 5: Maybe they might have been.

1535
01:17:41,427 --> 01:17:44,547
Speaker 22: The go, maybe one or one or two representatives and

1536
01:17:44,627 --> 01:17:46,387
Speaker 22: there might have been the go rather than someone who

1537
01:17:46,787 --> 01:17:50,587
Speaker 22: saw the process, converted through the process, didn't do anything

1538
01:17:50,707 --> 01:17:53,747
Speaker 22: untowards she just kind of get everything by the book,

1539
01:17:56,067 --> 01:17:59,027
Speaker 22: cutting at her personality and everything like that is or

1540
01:17:59,187 --> 01:18:01,867
Speaker 22: with out of order. In my opinion, she's just done

1541
01:18:01,867 --> 01:18:02,467
Speaker 22: it because.

1542
01:18:02,227 --> 01:18:02,907
Speaker 14: She could she did.

1543
01:18:03,507 --> 01:18:05,147
Speaker 2: I feel like there needs to be a father daughter

1544
01:18:05,467 --> 01:18:08,627
Speaker 2: segment at this day aunts a recital you're going to tonight.

1545
01:18:08,627 --> 01:18:10,907
Speaker 2: I feel like there needs to be some video footage

1546
01:18:10,947 --> 01:18:11,507
Speaker 2: of that as well.

1547
01:18:12,667 --> 01:18:15,747
Speaker 22: Yeah, strangely Omalia might might find herself with the new

1548
01:18:15,787 --> 01:18:17,027
Speaker 22: father all of a sudden.

1549
01:18:19,347 --> 01:18:21,627
Speaker 14: I'm press playing the music. That's about it.

1550
01:18:23,467 --> 01:18:26,107
Speaker 2: We're reading from the same page there. Let's go to Perth,

1551
01:18:26,267 --> 01:18:28,947
Speaker 2: the center of the Australian sporting universe this weekend Wallaby

1552
01:18:28,987 --> 01:18:32,187
Speaker 2: spring Box Tonight spring Box one thirty three seven. Last

1553
01:18:32,187 --> 01:18:34,547
Speaker 2: week in the first test, how confident are you the

1554
01:18:34,587 --> 01:18:37,227
Speaker 2: Wallabies can reverse that across in Western Australia.

1555
01:18:38,107 --> 01:18:38,667
Speaker 14: We'll be more.

1556
01:18:38,587 --> 01:18:44,387
Speaker 22: Confident about my dancing ability. They're not great Piney, so'll

1557
01:18:44,467 --> 01:18:45,867
Speaker 22: having you were good and they'll get better.

1558
01:18:46,827 --> 01:18:47,067
Speaker 13: We know.

1559
01:18:47,427 --> 01:18:50,747
Speaker 22: I mean, you guys have probably know that there's there's

1560
01:18:51,027 --> 01:18:54,107
Speaker 22: room for little improvement which might change the result the

1561
01:18:54,147 --> 01:18:56,267
Speaker 22: Wallabies in one week. I've got to make pick improvement

1562
01:18:56,307 --> 01:18:58,107
Speaker 22: and you're there say that South Africa actually going to

1563
01:18:58,147 --> 01:19:01,347
Speaker 22: improve off that. So they got destroyed in the set

1564
01:19:01,387 --> 01:19:05,147
Speaker 22: piece and all of that. So it's going to take

1565
01:19:05,187 --> 01:19:08,347
Speaker 22: something extra special. But I think there's one of his

1566
01:19:08,907 --> 01:19:11,267
Speaker 22: hands over here. We're a little bit patient at the moment.

1567
01:19:11,347 --> 01:19:14,547
Speaker 22: We can see that this improvement is going to have

1568
01:19:14,667 --> 01:19:19,187
Speaker 22: to come over years, not months, not weeks, and as

1569
01:19:19,227 --> 01:19:22,467
Speaker 22: long as there's some more rays of hope like they

1570
01:19:22,507 --> 01:19:24,587
Speaker 22: were towards the end last week. And I know I'm

1571
01:19:24,627 --> 01:19:28,827
Speaker 22: clutching here, but I think they're playing the longer they've

1572
01:19:28,827 --> 01:19:30,147
Speaker 22: got to play, the longer they've got no option.

1573
01:19:31,107 --> 01:19:32,547
Speaker 5: I do believe that for every.

1574
01:19:32,387 --> 01:19:34,627
Speaker 22: Test match, astraded players and have long held this belief

1575
01:19:34,707 --> 01:19:36,347
Speaker 22: that rugby is so big now and with the money

1576
01:19:36,387 --> 01:19:38,307
Speaker 22: on offer in Europe, you need to be calling back

1577
01:19:38,347 --> 01:19:40,947
Speaker 22: your best every week. Every time the wall of is player,

1578
01:19:40,947 --> 01:19:42,867
Speaker 22: You've got to be calling back your best. That means

1579
01:19:42,907 --> 01:19:44,707
Speaker 22: your camps are going to be a higher overstandard and

1580
01:19:44,867 --> 01:19:46,507
Speaker 22: you pick your super Rugby guys and they're going to

1581
01:19:46,507 --> 01:19:48,307
Speaker 22: be surrounded by the best of the best who have

1582
01:19:48,387 --> 01:19:51,627
Speaker 22: already gone overseas. None of this I will just dict

1583
01:19:51,627 --> 01:19:54,267
Speaker 22: the local vise that's got to end. So whether or

1584
01:19:54,307 --> 01:19:56,867
Speaker 22: not that happens under field war the management at Rugby

1585
01:19:56,907 --> 01:19:59,907
Speaker 22: Australia remains to be saying, but you're hoping for something

1586
01:20:00,067 --> 01:20:01,907
Speaker 22: a little bit better than last week, but not holding

1587
01:20:02,027 --> 01:20:02,547
Speaker 22: much hope.

1588
01:20:03,427 --> 01:20:05,747
Speaker 2: I I know exactly what you mean. And then tomorrow

1589
01:20:06,587 --> 01:20:09,627
Speaker 2: city UFC three oh five the Octagon, Beck and Perth

1590
01:20:09,707 --> 01:20:13,027
Speaker 2: for a second straight year stellar fight card eight Australians

1591
01:20:13,067 --> 01:20:16,707
Speaker 2: in action as UFC got cut through over in Australia.

1592
01:20:17,307 --> 01:20:19,387
Speaker 22: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they keep on coming down here.

1593
01:20:19,387 --> 01:20:22,147
Speaker 22: I think they signed a deal to do in Sydney

1594
01:20:23,587 --> 01:20:26,187
Speaker 22: over four years to do three big pay per view

1595
01:20:26,267 --> 01:20:29,707
Speaker 22: events season these monthly every six week extroaganza that the

1596
01:20:29,787 --> 01:20:31,427
Speaker 22: UFC put on. I think that up for three oh.

1597
01:20:31,427 --> 01:20:34,507
Speaker 14: Five over there in Perth, Key we're interest, of course.

1598
01:20:34,427 --> 01:20:38,707
Speaker 22: The great israel Adasagnya up against Dukes, the South African

1599
01:20:38,787 --> 01:20:41,907
Speaker 22: champ and oh we've got a bit nafty. We know

1600
01:20:42,067 --> 01:20:45,107
Speaker 22: these things in the fight game, in combat sports that

1601
01:20:45,707 --> 01:20:47,747
Speaker 22: they do anything they can to say, anything they can

1602
01:20:47,827 --> 01:20:50,907
Speaker 22: to spike interest. Well they've done it, but I think

1603
01:20:50,987 --> 01:20:55,227
Speaker 22: this was beyond the pale a bit when when Duke

1604
01:20:55,267 --> 01:20:57,667
Speaker 22: plus how to go at Adisaya about going back to

1605
01:20:57,747 --> 01:21:00,187
Speaker 22: Africa and you're going to take your servants in Adagia

1606
01:21:00,667 --> 01:21:03,387
Speaker 22: took it the way you might expect amand of proud

1607
01:21:03,427 --> 01:21:07,347
Speaker 22: African heritage to take it, you know what I mean. Yeah,

1608
01:21:07,387 --> 01:21:09,707
Speaker 22: he got into him a bit. But whether that manifests

1609
01:21:09,747 --> 01:21:12,227
Speaker 22: himself into anything under awarded the ringks a hope be

1610
01:21:12,267 --> 01:21:14,707
Speaker 22: gone tomorrow. I doubt it. But yeah, it is the

1611
01:21:15,307 --> 01:21:17,587
Speaker 22: massive over here, and they make a stack of money

1612
01:21:17,587 --> 01:21:20,227
Speaker 22: every time they come here, and they'll probably continue to do.

1613
01:21:20,307 --> 01:21:22,867
Speaker 2: Show indeed, and why not, got on your mate, Hey,

1614
01:21:22,907 --> 01:21:25,667
Speaker 2: We'll enjoy your weekend dance, recital, golf and anything else

1615
01:21:25,707 --> 01:21:27,707
Speaker 2: that hits your radar and we'll look forward to catching

1616
01:21:27,747 --> 01:21:29,067
Speaker 2: up again same time next Saturday.

1617
01:21:29,787 --> 01:21:32,107
Speaker 22: Bit of football as usual, Pineyers All alright, so yeah

1618
01:21:32,107 --> 01:21:33,187
Speaker 22: it's perfect, we again.

1619
01:21:33,227 --> 01:21:35,427
Speaker 2: Good on your mate. Thanks indeed, seven to two news

1620
01:21:35,467 --> 01:21:37,507
Speaker 2: talks every park three and a half to two after

1621
01:21:37,627 --> 01:21:39,627
Speaker 2: two in case you missed it, of course. And then

1622
01:21:39,987 --> 01:21:42,907
Speaker 2: this netball story from yesterday Grace Weckett won't play for

1623
01:21:42,947 --> 01:21:44,667
Speaker 2: the Mystics next years, You'll play for the new South

1624
01:21:44,707 --> 01:21:48,987
Speaker 2: wild Swift's instead, making her ineligible for Silver Ferm selection.

1625
01:21:49,107 --> 01:21:51,507
Speaker 2: Grace Wiki is on the show, as is Netball New

1626
01:21:51,547 --> 01:21:54,587
Speaker 2: Zealand board chair Matt Winnery and the Voice of Darts

1627
01:21:54,867 --> 01:21:55,987
Speaker 2: John McDonald as well.

1628
01:21:56,987 --> 01:22:01,107
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1629
01:22:01,907 --> 01:22:06,787
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1630
01:22:06,947 --> 01:22:10,707
Speaker 1: Weekend Sporard with Jason Viime on your home of Sport

1631
01:22:11,187 --> 01:22:12,307
Speaker 1: News Talk said, been.

1632
01:22:13,147 --> 01:22:16,187
Speaker 2: Fellow seven, welcome into the show. Welcome back to the show.

1633
01:22:16,267 --> 01:22:18,787
Speaker 2: It's coming to your life from Eden Park this afternoon,

1634
01:22:18,827 --> 01:22:21,867
Speaker 2: at least until three o'clock anyway. Then Tim Beverage with

1635
01:22:21,947 --> 01:22:24,907
Speaker 2: the Weekend Collective. We're back here at six as we

1636
01:22:25,027 --> 01:22:28,467
Speaker 2: build towards a seven five kickoff between the All Blacks

1637
01:22:28,467 --> 01:22:32,787
Speaker 2: and Argentina tonight. Looking forward to bringing the action. It's

1638
01:22:32,787 --> 01:22:35,907
Speaker 2: still raining here, I can report at Eden Park quite

1639
01:22:35,947 --> 01:22:39,187
Speaker 2: heavily at times. The heaviest drain is forecast for about

1640
01:22:39,187 --> 01:22:41,987
Speaker 2: five o'clock though, so I'm really looking forward to that.

1641
01:22:42,707 --> 01:22:45,827
Speaker 2: On text. Finally, keep the Olympics vibe alive and give

1642
01:22:45,867 --> 01:22:48,787
Speaker 2: a shout out to our World Under twenty track and

1643
01:22:48,907 --> 01:22:52,067
Speaker 2: Field team. Who's a part to Lima Peru tomorrow? The

1644
01:22:52,187 --> 01:22:56,347
Speaker 2: next crop off potential Olympian Jess andd They are all

1645
01:22:56,387 --> 01:22:57,947
Speaker 2: the best. To you if you are part of that

1646
01:22:58,347 --> 01:23:02,747
Speaker 2: this hour. Grace Wiki yesterday announced that she would not

1647
01:23:02,827 --> 01:23:05,827
Speaker 2: play A and Z Premiership netborn next year for the Mystics. Instead,

1648
01:23:06,107 --> 01:23:09,107
Speaker 2: she will head across to Australia and play in their

1649
01:23:09,227 --> 01:23:12,707
Speaker 2: Super Netball competition for the New South Wales Swifts. The

1650
01:23:13,867 --> 01:23:16,387
Speaker 2: interesting side point to this is that in doing so,

1651
01:23:16,667 --> 01:23:20,467
Speaker 2: she makes herself ineligible to play for New Zealand in

1652
01:23:20,547 --> 01:23:23,107
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Sow much of that factor into her

1653
01:23:23,187 --> 01:23:26,587
Speaker 2: thinking and how keen or not were the Board of

1654
01:23:26,667 --> 01:23:29,387
Speaker 2: Netball in New Zealand to give her some sort of exemption.

1655
01:23:30,027 --> 01:23:32,187
Speaker 2: Chair of the Board Matt Winneray standing by the chat

1656
01:23:32,227 --> 01:23:35,507
Speaker 2: to us Grace Weeky straightaway after that and the Hamilton

1657
01:23:35,907 --> 01:23:40,307
Speaker 2: Darts Masters are on. Last night they had the preliminary

1658
01:23:40,427 --> 01:23:43,587
Speaker 2: rounds to find our quarter finalists. They will square off tonight.

1659
01:23:44,507 --> 01:23:47,867
Speaker 2: The voice of the PDC is John McDonald. He's the

1660
01:23:47,867 --> 01:23:50,747
Speaker 2: bloke your hair calling the players on at the start

1661
01:23:50,787 --> 01:23:53,587
Speaker 2: of each of their matches. He's here in Hamilton going

1662
01:23:53,627 --> 01:23:55,107
Speaker 2: to join us this hour as well, and we might

1663
01:23:55,187 --> 01:24:00,067
Speaker 2: even take a visit to Stagg's Country where Southland, well

1664
01:24:00,107 --> 01:24:03,107
Speaker 2: they're not actually in Stagg's Country, but the Southland Stags

1665
01:24:03,427 --> 01:24:07,267
Speaker 2: themselves are in Hawks Bay to take on the Magpies

1666
01:24:07,307 --> 01:24:09,467
Speaker 2: for the ran Philly Shield this afternoon. Going to go

1667
01:24:09,547 --> 01:24:13,547
Speaker 2: to a pretty diet in the wall, mad Southland Stags

1668
01:24:13,587 --> 01:24:16,147
Speaker 2: fan before we knock it on the head at three o'clock,

1669
01:24:16,227 --> 01:24:19,867
Speaker 2: but with the time at approaching nine past two, as

1670
01:24:19,907 --> 01:24:22,187
Speaker 2: we always do on weekend sport at a round about

1671
01:24:22,227 --> 01:24:25,227
Speaker 2: this time. Some people just tune in for this, I'm told,

1672
01:24:25,427 --> 01:24:27,667
Speaker 2: and fair enough too. It's a good feature put together

1673
01:24:27,667 --> 01:24:29,947
Speaker 2: by Andy McDonald. It's called in Case you missed it,

1674
01:24:30,547 --> 01:24:32,587
Speaker 2: The stuff that you may have missed in the last

1675
01:24:32,627 --> 01:24:35,467
Speaker 2: twelve to twenty four hours. The Premier League is back.

1676
01:24:35,867 --> 01:24:38,787
Speaker 2: The season got underway with a Friday night match in

1677
01:24:38,867 --> 01:24:42,507
Speaker 2: the UK Saturday morning here in New Zealand's and Manchester United,

1678
01:24:43,107 --> 01:24:47,747
Speaker 2: of all teams, are top of the table. Chessamiro gone

1679
01:24:47,827 --> 01:24:48,467
Speaker 2: at show.

1680
01:24:48,627 --> 01:24:49,427
Speaker 4: Fact Er.

1681
01:24:54,867 --> 01:24:56,987
Speaker 2: Saxy with the celebration.

1682
01:24:57,987 --> 01:25:00,827
Speaker 4: Hotties Manchester United table.

1683
01:25:01,307 --> 01:25:03,267
Speaker 2: Here weld on the Red Devils one nell against Fulham

1684
01:25:03,267 --> 01:25:06,187
Speaker 2: in the first game to the NRL. The Roosters making

1685
01:25:06,547 --> 01:25:08,947
Speaker 2: very light work of the Paramatta Eels last night.

1686
01:25:09,587 --> 01:25:13,547
Speaker 23: Here it comes down from Tidesco beautiful hands Mano. He's

1687
01:25:13,627 --> 01:25:16,547
Speaker 23: got another dom the Young Dat's tree and he got

1688
01:25:16,747 --> 01:25:20,387
Speaker 23: not be done. Domy Young has a hat trick he's tying.

1689
01:25:20,467 --> 01:25:21,787
Speaker 20: Went him out on that week.

1690
01:25:22,187 --> 01:25:24,747
Speaker 2: Thirty eight fourteen to the Roosters over the Eels and

1691
01:25:25,387 --> 01:25:29,587
Speaker 2: Manly have extinguished any hope of a Warrior's return to

1692
01:25:29,747 --> 01:25:30,827
Speaker 2: the NRL finals.

1693
01:25:31,387 --> 01:25:36,107
Speaker 4: Is Brooks Tom's redrew which by carts Cooler Godline Lee

1694
01:25:36,387 --> 01:25:41,547
Speaker 4: high Boadi a famous name at this famous rugby league

1695
01:25:41,707 --> 01:25:44,747
Speaker 4: venue in the nineteen year old makes it a big

1696
01:25:44,987 --> 01:25:45,747
Speaker 4: league now for.

1697
01:25:45,867 --> 01:25:49,947
Speaker 2: Men twenty fourteen to the Sea Eagles last night to

1698
01:25:50,107 --> 01:25:53,747
Speaker 2: golf and Lydia Coe gold medalist in Paris, has kept

1699
01:25:53,787 --> 01:25:57,227
Speaker 2: that Olympic form rolling at the Scottish Open. It's hard

1700
01:25:57,267 --> 01:25:59,027
Speaker 2: to even strike. This promptly.

1701
01:26:02,187 --> 01:26:02,747
Speaker 11: Sounded good.

1702
01:26:04,227 --> 01:26:08,227
Speaker 17: Oh, the result was excellent as a sensational for Olivia.

1703
01:26:08,347 --> 01:26:12,867
Speaker 2: Cope and back home. A famous result under the roof

1704
01:26:12,947 --> 01:26:17,667
Speaker 2: at forsythe Bar Stadium in the NPC for Otago against Auckland.

1705
01:26:17,467 --> 01:26:21,187
Speaker 24: Otago Tappitt boot at a touch, says Nathan hasty referee

1706
01:26:21,307 --> 01:26:22,747
Speaker 24: Jackson Insurance and it's all over.

1707
01:26:23,147 --> 01:26:25,387
Speaker 2: That's a small crowd, but I'll tell you what. They're

1708
01:26:25,427 --> 01:26:27,707
Speaker 2: all on their feet, their arms are in the air

1709
01:26:27,947 --> 01:26:30,507
Speaker 2: and the Otago players are jubilant.

1710
01:26:31,067 --> 01:26:36,067
Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend

1711
01:26:36,147 --> 01:26:39,067
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Pine New Sawk ZIB.

1712
01:26:39,467 --> 01:26:42,387
Speaker 2: We'll keeping on the games which are underway in the

1713
01:26:42,827 --> 01:26:46,987
Speaker 2: NPC Northland Mulaw two and Tasman Canterbury. Can also tell

1714
01:26:47,027 --> 01:26:50,227
Speaker 2: you that in the Fara Palmer Cup we've had a

1715
01:26:50,347 --> 01:26:52,747
Speaker 2: couple of games already which we can update you on shortly,

1716
01:26:52,787 --> 01:26:55,427
Speaker 2: and we'll keep an eye two on the Heartland Championship

1717
01:26:55,467 --> 01:26:57,987
Speaker 2: actually in the Farah Palma Cup. Can tell you full time.

1718
01:26:58,227 --> 01:27:01,707
Speaker 2: In Parmi Mulaw two forty seven twelve over Otago and

1719
01:27:02,147 --> 01:27:05,547
Speaker 2: in Hawara the Wellington Pride have given the Tutahlucky fo

1720
01:27:05,787 --> 01:27:10,907
Speaker 2: hidingty one points to seven. Silver Fern shooter Grace Wicky

1721
01:27:11,067 --> 01:27:13,507
Speaker 2: has signed with the New South Wales Swifts for next season,

1722
01:27:13,627 --> 01:27:16,867
Speaker 2: leaving the Northern Mystics. It makes her ineligible for New

1723
01:27:16,947 --> 01:27:19,547
Speaker 2: Zealand next year. She can those still play for the

1724
01:27:19,627 --> 01:27:23,147
Speaker 2: Silver Ferns. This year they have upcoming tests against England

1725
01:27:23,187 --> 01:27:25,987
Speaker 2: for the Tiny Jamison Trophy and Australia for the Constellation

1726
01:27:26,187 --> 01:27:29,747
Speaker 2: Cup in late September and into October. Grace wiki with

1727
01:27:29,907 --> 01:27:33,227
Speaker 2: us very shortly, but first let's bring in chair of

1728
01:27:33,307 --> 01:27:36,907
Speaker 2: the Netball New Zealand Board, Matt Winner. Ray Matt, Thanks

1729
01:27:36,947 --> 01:27:39,627
Speaker 2: for joining us. How did you navigate your way through

1730
01:27:40,187 --> 01:27:43,707
Speaker 2: Grace's desire to play her netball off Shaw next year?

1731
01:27:44,467 --> 01:27:46,387
Speaker 16: Oh well, Grace, Grace let us know that was what

1732
01:27:46,547 --> 01:27:50,747
Speaker 16: she was interested in doing, and you know, frankly, she

1733
01:27:50,827 --> 01:27:53,427
Speaker 16: wants to go and grow both on and off the court,

1734
01:27:53,547 --> 01:27:57,307
Speaker 16: experience some new challenges, get some new experiences, and so

1735
01:27:57,507 --> 01:27:59,907
Speaker 16: she has decided to do that by going to the

1736
01:27:59,987 --> 01:28:03,547
Speaker 16: Swifts for one year, and as you noted, that makes

1737
01:28:03,587 --> 01:28:06,547
Speaker 16: it ineligible for the Silver Ferns next year. But I

1738
01:28:06,587 --> 01:28:08,907
Speaker 16: guess the key bit for us was, look, this is

1739
01:28:08,907 --> 01:28:12,707
Speaker 16: an opportunity for Grace. There's there's a real commitment from

1740
01:28:12,747 --> 01:28:14,067
Speaker 16: Grace to the Black Dress.

1741
01:28:13,827 --> 01:28:15,747
Speaker 15: And the Self Poons in the long term and so.

1742
01:28:15,747 --> 01:28:17,747
Speaker 16: We look forward to getting you back in time to

1743
01:28:19,027 --> 01:28:22,027
Speaker 16: lead into those next lot of Pinnacle events. So maybe

1744
01:28:22,067 --> 01:28:23,467
Speaker 16: we've got a calm games at the back end of

1745
01:28:23,507 --> 01:28:24,747
Speaker 16: twenty twenty six hopefully we do.

1746
01:28:25,267 --> 01:28:26,587
Speaker 5: And of course the Netball.

1747
01:28:26,267 --> 01:28:28,467
Speaker 16: World Cup in three years time, so this is just

1748
01:28:28,587 --> 01:28:29,187
Speaker 16: the one year.

1749
01:28:30,267 --> 01:28:31,667
Speaker 5: That's right, Grace assigned for one year.

1750
01:28:31,987 --> 01:28:33,547
Speaker 2: Did you try and persuade her to stay.

1751
01:28:35,267 --> 01:28:35,907
Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, I.

1752
01:28:35,907 --> 01:28:37,787
Speaker 16: Think if someone wants to go and do you know,

1753
01:28:37,867 --> 01:28:39,787
Speaker 16: this is like a netball oe, isn't it. So you

1754
01:28:39,827 --> 01:28:42,547
Speaker 16: know I did that when I was when I was

1755
01:28:42,587 --> 01:28:45,067
Speaker 16: in my twenties, not a netple one, but but I

1756
01:28:45,187 --> 01:28:46,507
Speaker 16: went and went in New York for a few years.

1757
01:28:46,507 --> 01:28:48,987
Speaker 16: I think, you know, that's just an opportunity that she

1758
01:28:49,147 --> 01:28:52,427
Speaker 16: wanted to take, and so we totally we get that.

1759
01:28:52,587 --> 01:28:57,027
Speaker 16: We respect that decision. She didn't apply for an exemption.

1760
01:28:57,147 --> 01:29:00,507
Speaker 16: She understands the rationale for that, for that policy, which

1761
01:29:00,587 --> 01:29:02,547
Speaker 16: is that we want to keep the domestic being strong.

1762
01:29:03,387 --> 01:29:07,467
Speaker 16: But look, we we understand that and we wish her

1763
01:29:07,507 --> 01:29:09,307
Speaker 16: all the best in this and we really look forward

1764
01:29:09,307 --> 01:29:12,707
Speaker 16: to getting her back and seeing how she's how she's

1765
01:29:12,787 --> 01:29:15,747
Speaker 16: taken advantage of that opportunity in the twenty twenty five year.

1766
01:29:16,147 --> 01:29:20,067
Speaker 2: Did you consider offering her an exemption, Well.

1767
01:29:20,027 --> 01:29:23,147
Speaker 16: She didn't apply for one. She understands that, she understands that.

1768
01:29:23,827 --> 01:29:26,787
Speaker 16: Ever said that rationale and if you think about those

1769
01:29:27,027 --> 01:29:30,587
Speaker 16: those two examples of exemptions in the past, Laura Langman

1770
01:29:30,627 --> 01:29:35,267
Speaker 16: and Maria Palau, those were quite different circumstances. They were

1771
01:29:35,347 --> 01:29:40,547
Speaker 16: one hundred test centurions. They had provided an extensive service

1772
01:29:40,627 --> 01:29:43,147
Speaker 16: and contribution to Netble and the Siltoons over over an

1773
01:29:43,187 --> 01:29:45,787
Speaker 16: extended period of time, so quite a different set of circumstances.

1774
01:29:45,907 --> 01:29:50,667
Speaker 16: Grace understood that she was prepared to make that sacrifice,

1775
01:29:50,707 --> 01:29:53,627
Speaker 16: but not She didn't make the application. She understood that

1776
01:29:53,667 --> 01:29:58,627
Speaker 16: she sort of fell outside those examples, but nevertheless wanted

1777
01:29:58,667 --> 01:30:00,507
Speaker 16: to take this opportunity. And I think it sort of

1778
01:30:00,507 --> 01:30:02,627
Speaker 16: fits in well from a timing perspective for us. As

1779
01:30:02,667 --> 01:30:05,667
Speaker 16: I said, around around when those Pinnacle events happened.

1780
01:30:05,467 --> 01:30:07,827
Speaker 2: Would you ever consider so, Matt, You know, yes, you didn't.

1781
01:30:08,027 --> 01:30:10,627
Speaker 2: Didn't didn't request one, didn't apply for one. Would you,

1782
01:30:10,747 --> 01:30:13,067
Speaker 2: independently as a board say, hey, Grace is so good,

1783
01:30:13,347 --> 01:30:15,947
Speaker 2: We're willing to offer you an exemption. You know, would

1784
01:30:15,947 --> 01:30:18,347
Speaker 2: you independently make that offer to her?

1785
01:30:19,627 --> 01:30:19,747
Speaker 14: Well?

1786
01:30:19,787 --> 01:30:21,427
Speaker 16: I think the key with that is that there's a

1787
01:30:21,587 --> 01:30:23,827
Speaker 16: there's a clear rationale for that policy, which is to

1788
01:30:23,907 --> 01:30:26,747
Speaker 16: maintain the domestic league in a strong way, and that

1789
01:30:26,907 --> 01:30:29,067
Speaker 16: is that is for us to protect and preserve that

1790
01:30:29,307 --> 01:30:33,387
Speaker 16: that domestic development pathway, and so we we you know,

1791
01:30:33,507 --> 01:30:35,947
Speaker 16: that means that where you think about those exceptions, they

1792
01:30:35,987 --> 01:30:40,547
Speaker 16: are in a relatively narrow space because what you're trying

1793
01:30:40,587 --> 01:30:43,707
Speaker 16: to do is is, you know, is guard the long

1794
01:30:43,827 --> 01:30:46,467
Speaker 16: term interests of the game. We think that's still is important.

1795
01:30:46,547 --> 01:30:48,987
Speaker 16: We've had that discussion as a board where that policy

1796
01:30:49,067 --> 01:30:52,027
Speaker 16: is still an important one for us, and so that's that's,

1797
01:30:52,747 --> 01:30:54,627
Speaker 16: you know, why we continue to apply that. It's a

1798
01:30:54,667 --> 01:30:56,907
Speaker 16: really it's really important development pathway for us.

1799
01:30:57,147 --> 01:30:59,707
Speaker 2: It's almost identical, isn't it a using rugby stance on

1800
01:31:00,227 --> 01:31:03,587
Speaker 2: selecting all blacks players from only those playing in Super Rugby.

1801
01:31:03,907 --> 01:31:07,187
Speaker 2: They're obviously, you know, having ongoing discussion and they're sticking

1802
01:31:07,267 --> 01:31:09,187
Speaker 2: fast to their rules at the moment. Can you ever

1803
01:31:09,267 --> 01:31:13,307
Speaker 2: see your rules being relaxed, you know, even even a

1804
01:31:13,347 --> 01:31:13,747
Speaker 2: little bit.

1805
01:31:15,067 --> 01:31:16,347
Speaker 16: I don think it depends a little bit on what

1806
01:31:16,427 --> 01:31:18,547
Speaker 16: the what the domestic league looks like. So you know

1807
01:31:18,987 --> 01:31:21,667
Speaker 16: that that's that's not something we're thinking about doing at

1808
01:31:21,707 --> 01:31:23,627
Speaker 16: the moment. But I think you you know, these things

1809
01:31:23,667 --> 01:31:25,547
Speaker 16: you always keep under a view. What you're trying to

1810
01:31:25,627 --> 01:31:28,707
Speaker 16: do is is create the strongest pathway you can for

1811
01:31:28,827 --> 01:31:30,947
Speaker 16: your for your for our New Zealand players for the

1812
01:31:31,027 --> 01:31:35,187
Speaker 16: domestic domestic pathway to to develop great silver ferns and

1813
01:31:35,587 --> 01:31:37,627
Speaker 16: create willing, winning civil fun teams.

1814
01:31:38,267 --> 01:31:40,827
Speaker 2: What's your sense on whether other players might follow suit

1815
01:31:40,867 --> 01:31:42,267
Speaker 2: now that Grace has taken the sleep.

1816
01:31:44,307 --> 01:31:46,467
Speaker 16: Ah, you know, look, we just have to We'll just

1817
01:31:46,547 --> 01:31:48,507
Speaker 16: have to wait and see. The teams are going through

1818
01:31:48,547 --> 01:31:50,187
Speaker 16: their contracting at the moment. I think most of the

1819
01:31:50,347 --> 01:31:55,587
Speaker 16: some Super Netball teams have announced there they're players now,

1820
01:31:55,707 --> 01:31:58,067
Speaker 16: that's that's sort of going through that process. And our

1821
01:31:58,627 --> 01:32:01,307
Speaker 16: our Premiership teams are in the middle of their contracting

1822
01:32:01,387 --> 01:32:05,227
Speaker 16: and our continuing to release announcements about who's been signed

1823
01:32:05,267 --> 01:32:07,747
Speaker 16: and who's moved you know where and what have you.

1824
01:32:07,867 --> 01:32:12,227
Speaker 16: So so not at present, but you know, we'll see.

1825
01:32:13,067 --> 01:32:15,267
Speaker 2: And you consider the black Dress still to be a

1826
01:32:15,347 --> 01:32:19,467
Speaker 2: strong enough, strong enough reason for players to stay or

1827
01:32:19,627 --> 01:32:22,067
Speaker 2: or to as Grace has go and come back for

1828
01:32:22,147 --> 01:32:24,707
Speaker 2: Pinnacle events. You don't suspect that there might be And

1829
01:32:24,787 --> 01:32:27,947
Speaker 2: I'll use rugby as as a comparison again, players who

1830
01:32:28,107 --> 01:32:30,427
Speaker 2: just go off shore to play chase maybe slightly bit

1831
01:32:30,467 --> 01:32:33,307
Speaker 2: of money in Australia or maybe over in the Northern

1832
01:32:33,347 --> 01:32:36,907
Speaker 2: Hemisphere and therefore make themselves unavailable for New Zealand.

1833
01:32:38,427 --> 01:32:39,147
Speaker 5: Well, it was.

1834
01:32:39,347 --> 01:32:41,467
Speaker 16: It was very clear from the discussions with Grace that

1835
01:32:41,987 --> 01:32:44,347
Speaker 16: the black Dress is very important to her and she's

1836
01:32:44,427 --> 01:32:46,707
Speaker 16: got a very strong commitment to that. So that that's

1837
01:32:46,787 --> 01:32:48,587
Speaker 16: the sort of the one data point we've got at

1838
01:32:48,627 --> 01:32:51,387
Speaker 16: the moment on that, I think, And so that's what

1839
01:32:51,547 --> 01:32:53,987
Speaker 16: and that's reflected in her decision to sign for the

1840
01:32:54,027 --> 01:32:55,827
Speaker 16: one year to do it at this time, which is

1841
01:32:56,267 --> 01:32:57,987
Speaker 16: out of cycle, if you like, in terms of those

1842
01:32:58,067 --> 01:33:02,267
Speaker 16: pinnacle events, and express that very strong commitment. So I

1843
01:33:02,307 --> 01:33:04,827
Speaker 16: think at the moment that black Dress is a very

1844
01:33:04,907 --> 01:33:10,027
Speaker 16: strong as a very strong attraction and motivator for our

1845
01:33:10,227 --> 01:33:10,987
Speaker 16: top netboards.

1846
01:33:11,187 --> 01:33:13,067
Speaker 2: And I guess it opens an opportunity for somebody else

1847
01:33:13,147 --> 01:33:14,787
Speaker 2: to step under the shooting circle, doesn't it. How do

1848
01:33:14,827 --> 01:33:17,667
Speaker 2: you assess the strength of those who are or will

1849
01:33:17,707 --> 01:33:20,747
Speaker 2: be next year in charge of filling those rather large

1850
01:33:20,747 --> 01:33:21,267
Speaker 2: shoes of hers.

1851
01:33:21,867 --> 01:33:24,787
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, I think it absolutely does give that opportunity,

1852
01:33:24,827 --> 01:33:26,867
Speaker 16: So someone else gets a bit of exposure at the

1853
01:33:26,907 --> 01:33:29,467
Speaker 16: top level and more time with the with the coaches,

1854
01:33:29,547 --> 01:33:32,107
Speaker 16: and I look forward to that because I think that's

1855
01:33:32,307 --> 01:33:35,427
Speaker 16: that's the opportunity that in a way Grace is provided

1856
01:33:35,467 --> 01:33:38,187
Speaker 16: by providing that space and we looked forward to seeing that.

1857
01:33:38,267 --> 01:33:40,827
Speaker 16: We've we've seen you know, we every year you see

1858
01:33:41,107 --> 01:33:44,307
Speaker 16: you see people plat top players continue to develop and

1859
01:33:44,427 --> 01:33:46,707
Speaker 16: grow and we look forward to that happening next year

1860
01:33:46,707 --> 01:33:46,987
Speaker 16: as well.

1861
01:33:47,187 --> 01:33:48,987
Speaker 2: Good Man, Matt, thanks for taking the time for a chat.

1862
01:33:49,027 --> 01:33:49,707
Speaker 2: Really appreciate it.

1863
01:33:50,027 --> 01:33:52,147
Speaker 16: No chairs, no thank you mate.

1864
01:33:52,147 --> 01:33:54,907
Speaker 2: That's Matt Winerry. He's the chair of the board of

1865
01:33:55,027 --> 01:33:57,867
Speaker 2: Netborn New Zealand. Let's bring in Grace Wiki now. Grace,

1866
01:33:57,907 --> 01:34:00,987
Speaker 2: thanks for holding and having a chat to us. How

1867
01:34:01,067 --> 01:34:02,827
Speaker 2: long have you been thinking about this?

1868
01:34:04,267 --> 01:34:06,627
Speaker 25: Thank you it's been to me. Haven't been for a

1869
01:34:06,667 --> 01:34:09,267
Speaker 25: wee while. Now I will seek me to like I

1870
01:34:09,347 --> 01:34:13,147
Speaker 25: needed a change up, just in both lifestyle and in

1871
01:34:13,227 --> 01:34:15,667
Speaker 25: my netball and I guess that life experience is a

1872
01:34:15,707 --> 01:34:18,707
Speaker 25: big move. But it was just really hard to figure

1873
01:34:18,747 --> 01:34:20,907
Speaker 25: out how it would all play out and where would

1874
01:34:20,907 --> 01:34:21,227
Speaker 25: put the.

1875
01:34:21,267 --> 01:34:24,747
Speaker 2: Best and how did you land on New South Wales.

1876
01:34:24,827 --> 01:34:26,907
Speaker 2: What were the main factors that that tipped it in

1877
01:34:27,027 --> 01:34:27,627
Speaker 2: their favor?

1878
01:34:28,507 --> 01:34:33,107
Speaker 25: Yeah, I think the biggest thing was knowing that they

1879
01:34:33,267 --> 01:34:35,547
Speaker 25: needed a shooter so there was availability for me, So

1880
01:34:35,667 --> 01:34:37,427
Speaker 25: that gave me a lot of confidence. And I guess

1881
01:34:37,667 --> 01:34:40,187
Speaker 25: having that relationship with grinding in the past earlier this

1882
01:34:40,347 --> 01:34:43,307
Speaker 25: year at Jantor. That made it a lot easier to

1883
01:34:43,387 --> 01:34:48,187
Speaker 25: kind of feel comfortable in approaching them and seeing if

1884
01:34:48,187 --> 01:34:48,827
Speaker 25: there was a room for me.

1885
01:34:49,947 --> 01:34:53,027
Speaker 2: Were there times during the decision making process where you

1886
01:34:53,147 --> 01:34:55,267
Speaker 2: were leaning towards not going?

1887
01:34:56,547 --> 01:34:56,667
Speaker 14: Oh?

1888
01:34:56,747 --> 01:34:58,987
Speaker 25: Yeah, absolutely, I think I e been flowed for most

1889
01:34:59,067 --> 01:35:01,667
Speaker 25: of I'd say the better part of the past two

1890
01:35:01,787 --> 01:35:06,107
Speaker 25: months really just I guess understanding the landscape and implications

1891
01:35:06,187 --> 01:35:08,947
Speaker 25: of of signing and what that would mean for my

1892
01:35:09,067 --> 01:35:11,707
Speaker 25: Ciel Purne's eligibility, as well as I guess just the

1893
01:35:12,987 --> 01:35:14,667
Speaker 25: what it means to move. I've never lived the way

1894
01:35:14,787 --> 01:35:17,227
Speaker 25: from home, I'm out of Auckland, and so just taking

1895
01:35:17,307 --> 01:35:20,227
Speaker 25: on such a big lifestyle change, I was very wary

1896
01:35:20,307 --> 01:35:23,587
Speaker 25: of the implications of that, but I feel like, what's

1897
01:35:23,627 --> 01:35:25,787
Speaker 25: the support of my coaches and the people around me,

1898
01:35:25,827 --> 01:35:27,227
Speaker 25: I was able to make an informed decision.

1899
01:35:27,627 --> 01:35:29,347
Speaker 2: Well, they do say that Sydney is just a bigger

1900
01:35:29,427 --> 01:35:31,707
Speaker 2: version of Auckland's, so I think you should be you

1901
01:35:31,747 --> 01:35:35,307
Speaker 2: should be Okay. How much did the fact that you

1902
01:35:35,467 --> 01:35:39,107
Speaker 2: can't play for New Zealand next year factor into your thinking?

1903
01:35:40,147 --> 01:35:44,107
Speaker 25: Yeah said and massively. I think I I love being

1904
01:35:44,107 --> 01:35:45,947
Speaker 25: in the Black Dress. I loved being a civil throne,

1905
01:35:46,107 --> 01:35:49,587
Speaker 25: and so I really was just really I was really

1906
01:35:49,667 --> 01:35:51,467
Speaker 25: upset that that was the way that it had to

1907
01:35:51,507 --> 01:35:53,667
Speaker 25: play out. But I respect decision making there and so

1908
01:35:54,707 --> 01:35:57,707
Speaker 25: that's kind of what kept me from really, you know,

1909
01:35:57,827 --> 01:36:00,147
Speaker 25: biting the bullet on the decision. It was just understanding

1910
01:36:00,587 --> 01:36:02,787
Speaker 25: that opportunity cost and whether that was worth it or not.

1911
01:36:02,947 --> 01:36:05,227
Speaker 25: And I think it's easy for me to sign now

1912
01:36:05,347 --> 01:36:07,227
Speaker 25: knowing that I can still play at the end of

1913
01:36:07,267 --> 01:36:10,747
Speaker 25: this year, but it won't really hit or become you know,

1914
01:36:10,907 --> 01:36:13,067
Speaker 25: real for me until this time next year if that

1915
01:36:13,227 --> 01:36:14,107
Speaker 25: rule remains the same.

1916
01:36:15,227 --> 01:36:17,467
Speaker 2: So do you think there might be some flexibility on

1917
01:36:17,547 --> 01:36:18,907
Speaker 2: it once you get over there? Do you think there

1918
01:36:18,947 --> 01:36:20,107
Speaker 2: could be further discussion?

1919
01:36:21,427 --> 01:36:24,107
Speaker 25: I mean, I mean stuffishly.

1920
01:36:24,147 --> 01:36:24,507
Speaker 16: I hope.

1921
01:36:24,547 --> 01:36:28,587
Speaker 25: So I hope that nickbore New Zealand allowed not just

1922
01:36:28,667 --> 01:36:32,787
Speaker 25: myself but all silophone players to give AUSI a go.

1923
01:36:33,507 --> 01:36:37,267
Speaker 25: But in the same breath, I can understand what they're

1924
01:36:37,667 --> 01:36:39,507
Speaker 25: why they've done it, and we need to continue to

1925
01:36:39,547 --> 01:36:42,227
Speaker 25: grow the game in New Zealand and keep our pathway strong.

1926
01:36:42,707 --> 01:36:45,387
Speaker 25: And I feel that it's hard to comment on what

1927
01:36:45,387 --> 01:36:47,067
Speaker 25: they're going to do and what the future holds and

1928
01:36:47,187 --> 01:36:49,827
Speaker 25: with that rule change, but me personally, I really do

1929
01:36:49,907 --> 01:36:51,387
Speaker 25: hope I can still be aligible next year.

1930
01:36:52,347 --> 01:36:54,787
Speaker 2: Was but it wasn't just a hard no when you

1931
01:36:54,907 --> 01:36:57,547
Speaker 2: talked about it initially within Born New Zealand.

1932
01:36:58,427 --> 01:37:01,267
Speaker 25: Yeah, it was more the understanding that I didn't meet

1933
01:37:01,307 --> 01:37:04,787
Speaker 25: the eligibility criteria. I've played thirty caps with Silver Ferns,

1934
01:37:04,787 --> 01:37:08,147
Speaker 25: and all players have been given an exemption had played

1935
01:37:08,187 --> 01:37:10,347
Speaker 25: at least one hundred and that was a bit of

1936
01:37:10,427 --> 01:37:12,067
Speaker 25: a that was very made very clear that that was

1937
01:37:12,107 --> 01:37:12,987
Speaker 25: the requirement, and so.

1938
01:37:13,107 --> 01:37:15,587
Speaker 22: I understood early on that I would not be.

1939
01:37:15,827 --> 01:37:19,827
Speaker 25: Eligible, and so it was kind of like in a

1940
01:37:19,867 --> 01:37:21,787
Speaker 25: way that was a hard no. I just understood that

1941
01:37:21,907 --> 01:37:23,707
Speaker 25: I just wasn't going to meet the criteria.

1942
01:37:25,107 --> 01:37:27,347
Speaker 2: Is it about gusing, Yeah?

1943
01:37:27,387 --> 01:37:30,947
Speaker 25: Absolutely. I think my why is quite complicated, and one

1944
01:37:30,987 --> 01:37:33,787
Speaker 25: of the big factors for me was just wanting to

1945
01:37:33,827 --> 01:37:35,827
Speaker 25: be a better player. I feel like the you know,

1946
01:37:35,867 --> 01:37:37,907
Speaker 25: the net World Cups in twenty twenty seven and between

1947
01:37:37,947 --> 01:37:39,947
Speaker 25: now and then, I want to be the best in

1948
01:37:39,987 --> 01:37:42,107
Speaker 25: the world and I know that to do that, I

1949
01:37:42,227 --> 01:37:44,227
Speaker 25: have to challenge myself and grow my game in a

1950
01:37:44,547 --> 01:37:46,907
Speaker 25: you know, a really fast paced environment. And I think

1951
01:37:46,987 --> 01:37:50,427
Speaker 25: having that change to Sydney and new players and staff

1952
01:37:50,467 --> 01:37:54,027
Speaker 25: and facilities and culture will only grow me as a person,

1953
01:37:54,147 --> 01:37:56,907
Speaker 25: but also will massively shift my game in a way

1954
01:37:56,947 --> 01:37:58,827
Speaker 25: that I feel that I'll be better able to compete

1955
01:37:58,827 --> 01:38:01,467
Speaker 25: against the best defenders in the world come World Cup.

1956
01:38:01,667 --> 01:38:03,787
Speaker 25: And so I'm doing this to be a better referent.

1957
01:38:03,827 --> 01:38:07,507
Speaker 25: I'm doing this to be a better person, and that's

1958
01:38:07,587 --> 01:38:09,707
Speaker 25: kind of what's driving me. And so I guess to

1959
01:38:09,827 --> 01:38:13,947
Speaker 25: have the results of that move, see my inigibility, it's

1960
01:38:14,027 --> 01:38:17,747
Speaker 25: like quite tough. So again, the opportunity costs, so hopefully

1961
01:38:17,787 --> 01:38:18,787
Speaker 25: it kind of works itself out.

1962
01:38:19,227 --> 01:38:19,427
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1963
01:38:19,467 --> 01:38:21,987
Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody listening would be nodding their head

1964
01:38:22,027 --> 01:38:24,187
Speaker 2: in agreement with you as you say you'll no doubt

1965
01:38:24,267 --> 01:38:27,147
Speaker 2: come back a better player, a more rounded player against

1966
01:38:27,187 --> 01:38:30,467
Speaker 2: different defenders. How much do you think you'll improve as

1967
01:38:30,507 --> 01:38:33,547
Speaker 2: a netballer by playing in the Australian competition.

1968
01:38:34,587 --> 01:38:37,867
Speaker 25: Yeah, I honestly, I'm really confident that I'm going to

1969
01:38:37,907 --> 01:38:42,867
Speaker 25: get better. I there are times in ambd where, you know,

1970
01:38:42,947 --> 01:38:45,547
Speaker 25: we have some hard games, we have not so hard games,

1971
01:38:45,547 --> 01:38:48,307
Speaker 25: and I think sometimes I get a bit comfortable, a

1972
01:38:48,507 --> 01:38:50,867
Speaker 25: bit casual. And I've been here the past six years

1973
01:38:50,907 --> 01:38:53,307
Speaker 25: and I feel like I've done so much in this league,

1974
01:38:53,347 --> 01:38:55,987
Speaker 25: but I really want to be able to, you know,

1975
01:38:56,307 --> 01:38:58,747
Speaker 25: be out of my comfort zone and really have to

1976
01:38:59,187 --> 01:39:02,027
Speaker 25: shift and learn, learn quickly. I want to be showed

1977
01:39:02,067 --> 01:39:04,787
Speaker 25: up and I want to have the defenders on my back,

1978
01:39:05,507 --> 01:39:08,307
Speaker 25: players around me pushing me. And I feel that being

1979
01:39:08,347 --> 01:39:10,467
Speaker 25: over there will really do that for me. I feel

1980
01:39:10,507 --> 01:39:13,387
Speaker 25: like having a new coaching staff and that change of

1981
01:39:13,507 --> 01:39:16,027
Speaker 25: environment will really bring up the best in my game.

1982
01:39:16,907 --> 01:39:19,627
Speaker 2: That is amazing self awareness, because you could easily just say,

1983
01:39:19,627 --> 01:39:21,827
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm fine here. We just won, we

1984
01:39:21,987 --> 01:39:25,507
Speaker 2: just won the we just won the trophy. Everything's going well.

1985
01:39:26,107 --> 01:39:30,387
Speaker 2: What drives that grace? As Have you always been this motivated?

1986
01:39:31,707 --> 01:39:35,227
Speaker 25: Yeah, I feel I always have. I'm very hard on myself.

1987
01:39:35,227 --> 01:39:38,227
Speaker 25: I'm very critical of my performances, and I know that

1988
01:39:38,347 --> 01:39:40,507
Speaker 25: I want to be the best in the world, and

1989
01:39:40,587 --> 01:39:42,667
Speaker 25: so to do that, you have to play the best

1990
01:39:42,667 --> 01:39:45,227
Speaker 25: in the world. You have to be in challenging environments.

1991
01:39:45,427 --> 01:39:49,747
Speaker 25: And so I've always been had quite high expectations, and

1992
01:39:49,827 --> 01:39:52,667
Speaker 25: I feel like maybe this season, I think with the

1993
01:39:52,747 --> 01:39:54,587
Speaker 25: injuries in and out, I've kind of been a bit

1994
01:39:54,627 --> 01:39:56,547
Speaker 25: of a lull or been a bit of a rap

1995
01:39:56,627 --> 01:39:58,747
Speaker 25: with my game. And I really just want to get

1996
01:39:58,747 --> 01:40:01,987
Speaker 25: to a place where I'm just exposed and able to learn.

1997
01:40:02,027 --> 01:40:03,587
Speaker 25: And I read a court the other day that said

1998
01:40:03,747 --> 01:40:07,147
Speaker 25: comfort is suicides, and yeah, I think I am just

1999
01:40:07,227 --> 01:40:08,627
Speaker 25: comfortable and I don't.

2000
01:40:08,467 --> 01:40:11,947
Speaker 2: Want to be amazing, amazing, and definitely just one year.

2001
01:40:12,027 --> 01:40:14,987
Speaker 2: There's a calm games we think in twenty twenty six.

2002
01:40:15,187 --> 01:40:17,947
Speaker 2: Is this definitely just for next year or is it

2003
01:40:18,107 --> 01:40:19,947
Speaker 2: just for next year at the moment.

2004
01:40:20,467 --> 01:40:22,507
Speaker 25: Yeah, it's really hard to say. I signed to one

2005
01:40:22,587 --> 01:40:25,027
Speaker 25: year and I'm just taking everything one campaign at a time.

2006
01:40:25,107 --> 01:40:27,147
Speaker 25: You know, I'm actually got my focus on the Silver

2007
01:40:27,227 --> 01:40:29,907
Speaker 25: Friends season coming up, and then when that's done, I'll

2008
01:40:29,907 --> 01:40:32,627
Speaker 25: share my focus to the Worst for twenty twenty five

2009
01:40:32,707 --> 01:40:35,707
Speaker 25: and hopefully a successful campaign there, and then whatever happens

2010
01:40:35,747 --> 01:40:38,747
Speaker 25: in there, I'm just going to see what the landschet

2011
01:40:38,787 --> 01:40:41,827
Speaker 25: looks like in terms of eligibility and birtha now, and

2012
01:40:42,027 --> 01:40:44,107
Speaker 25: you know where my body, that where my game is at,

2013
01:40:44,667 --> 01:40:47,347
Speaker 25: and then come back with a new I guess understanding

2014
01:40:47,387 --> 01:40:48,547
Speaker 25: of what my next steps look like.

2015
01:40:49,307 --> 01:40:50,747
Speaker 2: Is it nice just to have the news out there?

2016
01:40:50,787 --> 01:40:52,387
Speaker 2: It's been out there for about twenty four hours now,

2017
01:40:52,467 --> 01:40:54,707
Speaker 2: Is it nice now that just everybody knows?

2018
01:40:55,347 --> 01:40:58,467
Speaker 25: Yeah, absolutely. It felt like the big dark cloud out

2019
01:40:58,467 --> 01:41:00,547
Speaker 25: of me in a way of like not being able

2020
01:41:00,587 --> 01:41:02,547
Speaker 25: to tell people who you know, I love and who

2021
01:41:02,587 --> 01:41:04,067
Speaker 25: support me want the best of me. So it just

2022
01:41:04,147 --> 01:41:06,747
Speaker 25: start a bit like I was lying to be or

2023
01:41:06,787 --> 01:41:09,507
Speaker 25: just like spitting on some big news. So it feels

2024
01:41:09,547 --> 01:41:12,907
Speaker 25: really good to be able to just celebrate it, I

2025
01:41:13,027 --> 01:41:15,507
Speaker 25: guess with my team last night and just like enjoy

2026
01:41:15,627 --> 01:41:17,707
Speaker 25: the moment a bit more. So, Yeah, it's nice to

2027
01:41:17,747 --> 01:41:18,107
Speaker 25: have it out.

2028
01:41:18,507 --> 01:41:20,827
Speaker 2: I just think it's great. I think it's a it's

2029
01:41:20,907 --> 01:41:23,547
Speaker 2: a credit to you that you've made this decision to

2030
01:41:23,747 --> 01:41:25,867
Speaker 2: jump out of your comfort zone, which you easily could

2031
01:41:25,867 --> 01:41:28,347
Speaker 2: have not done. We wish you all the best obviously,

2032
01:41:28,387 --> 01:41:30,187
Speaker 2: you've got the Silver Ferns campaign back end of this

2033
01:41:30,307 --> 01:41:32,827
Speaker 2: year which we'll enjoy watching you playing. But all the

2034
01:41:32,867 --> 01:41:36,667
Speaker 2: best over in Sydney next year, Grace, and we can't

2035
01:41:36,707 --> 01:41:39,427
Speaker 2: wait to have you back after that. Yeah, thanks so much,

2036
01:41:39,507 --> 01:41:42,067
Speaker 2: me too, thanks for joining us, Grace. Grace wiki there

2037
01:41:42,467 --> 01:41:44,867
Speaker 2: off to the new south Well Swifts for next season.

2038
01:41:45,307 --> 01:41:47,867
Speaker 2: So she'll play for the Silver Ferns against England and

2039
01:41:47,987 --> 01:41:50,187
Speaker 2: Australia in the next couple of months or so. Then

2040
01:41:50,947 --> 01:41:53,027
Speaker 2: at some stage I guess late in the year or

2041
01:41:53,067 --> 01:41:54,867
Speaker 2: early in the new year head across to Australia played

2042
01:41:54,867 --> 01:41:58,027
Speaker 2: for the Swifts. Interesting to hear say that she hopes

2043
01:41:58,067 --> 01:42:03,787
Speaker 2: that the eligibility rules might change. I'm sure that Dame

2044
01:42:04,187 --> 01:42:07,867
Speaker 2: Nolan Todua would be saying to Matt one day, the

2045
01:42:08,867 --> 01:42:11,067
Speaker 2: chair of the board, hey, can we you know, can

2046
01:42:11,147 --> 01:42:14,787
Speaker 2: you throw us a bone here? She's so good and

2047
01:42:14,947 --> 01:42:18,707
Speaker 2: there's really no other shooter at her level here. But

2048
01:42:18,787 --> 01:42:21,147
Speaker 2: I guess once you do that, you open up this

2049
01:42:21,307 --> 01:42:24,307
Speaker 2: can of worms, don't you the Pandora's box. It's almost

2050
01:42:24,347 --> 01:42:27,907
Speaker 2: an identical situation to New Zealand rugby. It doesn't matter

2051
01:42:27,987 --> 01:42:30,627
Speaker 2: who you are, you have to be playing super rugby

2052
01:42:30,867 --> 01:42:33,387
Speaker 2: to play for the All Blacks. That is exactly Netborne

2053
01:42:33,387 --> 01:42:34,987
Speaker 2: New Zealand stance. And in a way you have to

2054
01:42:35,027 --> 01:42:37,827
Speaker 2: admire it that they're sticking to their guns even when

2055
01:42:37,907 --> 01:42:40,947
Speaker 2: their best player, you know, or one of their most

2056
01:42:41,067 --> 01:42:44,227
Speaker 2: valuable players, has taken up this opportunity and therefore is

2057
01:42:44,307 --> 01:42:48,107
Speaker 2: ruled out for next year. I think I would worry

2058
01:42:48,267 --> 01:42:50,187
Speaker 2: more if it was the year after and then the

2059
01:42:50,267 --> 01:42:52,787
Speaker 2: year after that, with the Calm Games and the World Cup,

2060
01:42:54,507 --> 01:42:57,827
Speaker 2: that Grace Wicki was ruled out quite early on in

2061
01:42:57,867 --> 01:43:00,467
Speaker 2: the last World Cup with an injury, so clearly she

2062
01:43:00,587 --> 01:43:03,227
Speaker 2: still you know, Covets wearing that black dress a lot,

2063
01:43:05,427 --> 01:43:07,227
Speaker 2: and so if it is just the one year then

2064
01:43:07,307 --> 01:43:10,747
Speaker 2: so be it. But it's an interesting little tester for

2065
01:43:10,867 --> 01:43:13,987
Speaker 2: Netborn New Zealand. They've entered into the world where the

2066
01:43:14,027 --> 01:43:15,947
Speaker 2: All Blacks and New Zealand rugby have been for a

2067
01:43:16,027 --> 01:43:19,467
Speaker 2: while now hasn't really been that prevalent with the silver Ferns.

2068
01:43:19,507 --> 01:43:21,947
Speaker 2: But I think Grace Week is a great test case

2069
01:43:22,067 --> 01:43:24,867
Speaker 2: for them. Will be interesting to see how they react

2070
01:43:24,947 --> 01:43:26,947
Speaker 2: to it. Two twenty eight. We're coming to your life

2071
01:43:26,947 --> 01:43:30,707
Speaker 2: from Eden Park. It's quite quite wet. If I can

2072
01:43:30,747 --> 01:43:34,627
Speaker 2: turn the sound effects up, that's the rain on a

2073
01:43:34,747 --> 01:43:37,787
Speaker 2: tar poland outside somewhere. I think it doesn't really give

2074
01:43:37,787 --> 01:43:39,747
Speaker 2: you an indication is how heavy the rain is. It's

2075
01:43:39,827 --> 01:43:42,747
Speaker 2: just actually it's more steady, can I say than heavy.

2076
01:43:42,827 --> 01:43:45,907
Speaker 2: It's not absolutely pelting down, but it is steady.

2077
01:43:45,627 --> 01:43:48,947
Speaker 24: Rain and people away, drive people away. No, no, that

2078
01:43:49,067 --> 01:43:52,627
Speaker 24: was just you cruppling up a chap packet. Surely, No, No,

2079
01:43:53,507 --> 01:43:54,307
Speaker 24: I'll hear it is here.

2080
01:43:54,347 --> 01:43:54,547
Speaker 14: It is.

2081
01:43:55,627 --> 01:43:58,467
Speaker 2: Let's rain on a tar poland. For the mic, we

2082
01:43:58,587 --> 01:44:01,347
Speaker 2: have sideline I'm not trying to turn people away, and

2083
01:44:01,347 --> 01:44:03,627
Speaker 2: I don't think people will be turned away. People come

2084
01:44:03,707 --> 01:44:07,227
Speaker 2: to watch rugby in the wet Andrew, Yes, Jason, I'm

2085
01:44:07,267 --> 01:44:09,307
Speaker 2: going to as well. I know are you? Are you

2086
01:44:09,387 --> 01:44:11,267
Speaker 2: in a covered you'll be in? Won't you be in

2087
01:44:11,347 --> 01:44:13,147
Speaker 2: a corporate hospitality around.

2088
01:44:13,147 --> 01:44:16,627
Speaker 24: Ford that I don't have that many high ranking friends, Pioney,

2089
01:44:16,747 --> 01:44:21,867
Speaker 24: I'm in the exposed, exposed seats where where all the

2090
01:44:21,947 --> 01:44:23,387
Speaker 24: true rugby fans get to watch.

2091
01:44:23,867 --> 01:44:24,947
Speaker 2: I can see your seat from here.

2092
01:44:24,987 --> 01:44:28,227
Speaker 24: Then in that case, oh, there's fantastic. You're with an airshot.

2093
01:44:29,147 --> 01:44:32,707
Speaker 24: Please be with an airshot, Pioney. You absolutely love my feedback.

2094
01:44:32,707 --> 01:44:33,307
Speaker 24: I'll have to give you.

2095
01:44:33,987 --> 01:44:36,267
Speaker 2: Well, I will be sidelined tonight, so look, I'll keep

2096
01:44:36,267 --> 01:44:40,227
Speaker 2: an eye out for you. And you know, maybe if

2097
01:44:40,307 --> 01:44:44,027
Speaker 2: I do, if it feels to you like I've ignored you,

2098
01:44:44,387 --> 01:44:45,187
Speaker 2: that's not the case.

2099
01:44:46,027 --> 01:44:46,387
Speaker 19: I'm sure.

2100
01:44:46,427 --> 01:44:47,027
Speaker 2: I'm sure that is.

2101
01:44:47,267 --> 01:44:49,467
Speaker 24: You Just keep your eye out for a fan embarrassing

2102
01:44:49,507 --> 01:44:53,587
Speaker 24: themselves and it's probably a high percentage shot you'll be

2103
01:44:53,667 --> 01:44:54,067
Speaker 24: looking at me.

2104
01:44:54,627 --> 01:44:57,947
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll keep an eye out for you. Two thirty.

2105
01:44:58,427 --> 01:45:00,947
Speaker 2: Also on tonight is the second night of the Hamilton

2106
01:45:01,307 --> 01:45:05,627
Speaker 2: Dance Masters. Last night the PDC Superstars all got through.

2107
01:45:05,907 --> 01:45:08,627
Speaker 2: A couple I had close shaves against some of the

2108
01:45:08,707 --> 01:45:12,387
Speaker 2: Oceania representatives including Hope I Pouha and Number one and

2109
01:45:12,467 --> 01:45:16,507
Speaker 2: Ben Rob as well. The Big Rig also was up

2110
01:45:16,547 --> 01:45:20,387
Speaker 2: on the hockey, but the PDC Superstars all came through.

2111
01:45:20,507 --> 01:45:23,787
Speaker 2: So what lies in store on Finals night tonight? When

2112
01:45:23,827 --> 01:45:26,827
Speaker 2: we come back. We're joined by John McDonald, the voice

2113
01:45:27,227 --> 01:45:29,587
Speaker 2: of the PDC Tour. He's the mc, the guy who

2114
01:45:29,947 --> 01:45:32,587
Speaker 2: welcomes the players out. He's here in New Zealand for

2115
01:45:32,627 --> 01:45:34,947
Speaker 2: the Hamilton Darts Masters. He's going to join us on

2116
01:45:35,027 --> 01:45:36,067
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport after this.

2117
01:45:36,667 --> 01:45:37,627
Speaker 7: The bitches ready?

2118
01:45:37,907 --> 01:45:40,827
Speaker 1: Are you live from Eden Park ahead of All Blacks

2119
01:45:40,907 --> 01:45:45,067
Speaker 1: v Argentina. It's Weekend Sport with Jason Fine and GJ

2120
01:45:45,227 --> 01:45:47,787
Speaker 1: guarnder Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

2121
01:45:47,907 --> 01:45:51,027
Speaker 2: News Talk said b twenty seven away from three. We'll

2122
01:45:51,067 --> 01:45:54,267
Speaker 2: get to John McDonald Dart c MC in just a moment.

2123
01:45:54,387 --> 01:45:57,507
Speaker 2: Let's update you on some live sport. Bunnings NPC Round

2124
01:45:57,547 --> 01:46:02,107
Speaker 2: two action in Faraday. It's Northland against Monaw two. Northland

2125
01:46:02,187 --> 01:46:06,787
Speaker 2: ten three ahead. This game kicked off at twoos all

2126
01:46:06,867 --> 01:46:10,587
Speaker 2: about twenty five thirty thirty five minutes in Northland ten

2127
01:46:10,667 --> 01:46:13,347
Speaker 2: minu two to three, same amount of time gone in

2128
01:46:13,467 --> 01:46:17,227
Speaker 2: Nelson where it's Tasman ten nil ahead of Canterbury. Tasman

2129
01:46:17,347 --> 01:46:20,667
Speaker 2: ten nil over Canterbury, Hawks Bay Southland four to thirty

2130
01:46:20,707 --> 01:46:23,547
Speaker 2: five this afternoon for the Ramphilly Shield. We'll get a

2131
01:46:23,587 --> 01:46:26,347
Speaker 2: little bit more detail on that before we close the show.

2132
01:46:26,507 --> 01:46:29,907
Speaker 2: At three Heartland Championship. Let's have a look East Coast

2133
01:46:29,987 --> 01:46:32,707
Speaker 2: three baller three. That was a two o'clock kick off

2134
01:46:32,787 --> 01:46:36,907
Speaker 2: the West Coast and Poverty Bay Gamers nil all nil

2135
01:46:36,987 --> 01:46:40,547
Speaker 2: all after thirty five minutes. What's going on down there

2136
01:46:40,587 --> 01:46:42,587
Speaker 2: in Greymouth? I'm not sure. Not a heck of a

2137
01:46:42,627 --> 01:46:44,707
Speaker 2: lot by the looks of it. Fagan with twelve South

2138
01:46:44,787 --> 01:46:47,707
Speaker 2: Canterbury seven. That's a repeat of last year's Meets Cup

2139
01:46:47,747 --> 01:46:50,827
Speaker 2: final won by South Canbury nil all between King Country

2140
01:46:50,827 --> 01:46:53,827
Speaker 2: and Mid Canterbury three. Nila Thames Valley over wided up

2141
01:46:53,907 --> 01:46:57,067
Speaker 2: a bush nothing three yet from North Otago against Holofanu

2142
01:46:57,067 --> 01:46:59,267
Speaker 2: a carpandy and quick look at the Farrh Palmer Cup.

2143
01:46:59,307 --> 01:47:01,467
Speaker 2: The game that's on at the moment. Hawks Bay seventeen

2144
01:47:01,467 --> 01:47:04,907
Speaker 2: to five ahead of Counties Monaco after half an hour.

2145
01:47:05,187 --> 01:47:09,267
Speaker 2: In that game, we'll keep you updated to the darts

2146
01:47:09,507 --> 01:47:12,107
Speaker 2: no upsets. On night one at the New Zealand Dance

2147
01:47:12,187 --> 01:47:16,187
Speaker 2: Masters in Hamilton, all eight of the PDC superstars overcame

2148
01:47:16,307 --> 01:47:20,907
Speaker 2: their Oceanic counterparts. Goin Price began his bid for back

2149
01:47:20,987 --> 01:47:23,707
Speaker 2: to back World Series of Darts titles. He had a

2150
01:47:23,827 --> 01:47:26,907
Speaker 2: six to three win against kiwe Ben Rob Defending champion

2151
01:47:27,067 --> 01:47:30,507
Speaker 2: Rob Cross was probably the closest to being knocked out,

2152
01:47:30,627 --> 01:47:33,947
Speaker 2: fighting back to win six ' five after being five

2153
01:47:33,947 --> 01:47:36,987
Speaker 2: to four down over New Zealand number one Hope I Pool.

2154
01:47:37,587 --> 01:47:41,627
Speaker 2: Let's bring in the most famous voice in darts PDC

2155
01:47:42,427 --> 01:47:45,627
Speaker 2: MC John McDonald. John's the one who welcomes the players

2156
01:47:45,667 --> 01:47:47,867
Speaker 2: out at the start of every match at all the

2157
01:47:47,907 --> 01:47:50,307
Speaker 2: big tournaments around the world. John, great to have you

2158
01:47:50,707 --> 01:47:52,587
Speaker 2: here with us on Weekend Sport. How are you enjoying

2159
01:47:52,587 --> 01:47:53,987
Speaker 2: your latest visit to New Zealand.

2160
01:47:55,067 --> 01:47:57,507
Speaker 13: Oh fantastic. You saw is a great place to come.

2161
01:47:57,947 --> 01:47:59,667
Speaker 13: As you can hear by my voice, it was a

2162
01:47:59,747 --> 01:48:03,467
Speaker 13: tough night, but yeah, what an amazing first night. And

2163
01:48:04,107 --> 01:48:07,867
Speaker 13: can I just say, we can't really look at those

2164
01:48:07,987 --> 01:48:11,587
Speaker 13: results last night and making the assessment. All I can

2165
01:48:11,667 --> 01:48:14,227
Speaker 13: say is we're stepping in the right direction for the

2166
01:48:14,307 --> 01:48:16,907
Speaker 13: Oceanic players. They're all were heading in the right direction.

2167
01:48:17,267 --> 01:48:20,867
Speaker 13: I don't expect any player that is not in the

2168
01:48:20,947 --> 01:48:23,027
Speaker 13: sort of top thirty two to be able to handle

2169
01:48:23,067 --> 01:48:25,587
Speaker 13: the crowd of that magnitude last night. They all did

2170
01:48:25,667 --> 01:48:28,387
Speaker 13: themselves very proud and they're stepping in the right direction.

2171
01:48:28,827 --> 01:48:30,627
Speaker 2: As I say, everything seemed to go to script. But

2172
01:48:30,787 --> 01:48:32,427
Speaker 2: Rob Cross, he was given a bit of a fright

2173
01:48:32,467 --> 01:48:34,227
Speaker 2: by the looks of things by Hope I poo hah.

2174
01:48:34,267 --> 01:48:35,107
Speaker 2: How did you see that one?

2175
01:48:36,507 --> 01:48:38,187
Speaker 22: Yeah, well it wasn't for the first time.

2176
01:48:38,387 --> 01:48:41,227
Speaker 13: I mean, you know, he struggled against him in Australia

2177
01:48:41,867 --> 01:48:44,867
Speaker 13: in an ironic situation, they were both drawn against each

2178
01:48:44,907 --> 01:48:48,667
Speaker 13: other again. And you know, Hope I really isn't New

2179
01:48:48,987 --> 01:48:51,267
Speaker 13: Zealand number one for any other reason that he is

2180
01:48:51,667 --> 01:48:55,107
Speaker 13: a fantastic player and very very nearly all it off

2181
01:48:55,307 --> 01:48:57,227
Speaker 13: and that would have been amazing to have on the

2182
01:48:57,307 --> 01:49:00,547
Speaker 13: Oceanic player in day two, our final day here in

2183
01:49:00,667 --> 01:49:01,227
Speaker 13: New Zealand.

2184
01:49:02,347 --> 01:49:05,347
Speaker 2: Hope I Pooh has been sort of this year. He's

2185
01:49:05,347 --> 01:49:07,787
Speaker 2: got us PDC too. Of course. I spoke to a

2186
01:49:07,827 --> 01:49:10,027
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago about the challenges that that you know,

2187
01:49:10,147 --> 01:49:12,387
Speaker 2: that brings week in, week out, can you see him

2188
01:49:12,427 --> 01:49:13,427
Speaker 2: taking that next step up?

2189
01:49:13,467 --> 01:49:13,667
Speaker 13: John?

2190
01:49:13,707 --> 01:49:16,627
Speaker 2: Do you think he can become the next level of player?

2191
01:49:18,507 --> 01:49:20,907
Speaker 13: Absolutely? I mean the best thing he could have done

2192
01:49:21,027 --> 01:49:24,627
Speaker 13: was getting his talk hard. He'll be playing against real, tough,

2193
01:49:24,707 --> 01:49:27,427
Speaker 13: competitive players, and you know in sport you have to

2194
01:49:27,467 --> 01:49:29,467
Speaker 13: play against the best, and the best will bring out

2195
01:49:29,507 --> 01:49:32,107
Speaker 13: the best if you have it. He's got that incredible

2196
01:49:32,467 --> 01:49:36,427
Speaker 13: calm in attitude towards the game, which is very, very unusual.

2197
01:49:37,227 --> 01:49:40,627
Speaker 13: He always looks in control and I think that will

2198
01:49:40,747 --> 01:49:42,707
Speaker 13: really help him and I think he will just grow

2199
01:49:42,787 --> 01:49:45,347
Speaker 13: as a player, and I really hope he does, because

2200
01:49:45,387 --> 01:49:48,307
Speaker 13: he's a massive asset to us. He's such a charming

2201
01:49:48,427 --> 01:49:51,507
Speaker 13: person to have around and a real a real pleasure

2202
01:49:51,587 --> 01:49:51,947
Speaker 13: to be with.

2203
01:49:52,827 --> 01:49:55,267
Speaker 2: Luke Littler last night's stand out performer. I guess in

2204
01:49:55,387 --> 01:49:57,507
Speaker 2: terms of average he beat Johnny Tutter six ' three

2205
01:49:57,587 --> 01:49:59,867
Speaker 2: with a one o two point two four average. This

2206
01:50:00,067 --> 01:50:02,187
Speaker 2: is no longer a surprise, though, was it, John, when

2207
01:50:02,227 --> 01:50:04,267
Speaker 2: you see Luke Littler post numbers like this.

2208
01:50:04,627 --> 01:50:06,827
Speaker 13: No, it's certainly not. And he's not your average seventeen

2209
01:50:06,907 --> 01:50:09,107
Speaker 13: year old young man, is he. He got to the

2210
01:50:09,187 --> 01:50:12,387
Speaker 13: final of the World Championship at the age of sixteen.

2211
01:50:13,027 --> 01:50:15,787
Speaker 13: He is a remarkable young man, but don't place him

2212
01:50:15,787 --> 01:50:19,187
Speaker 13: in the same position that you would a normal seventeen

2213
01:50:19,267 --> 01:50:23,027
Speaker 13: year old lad. This is an exceptional talent who seems

2214
01:50:23,067 --> 01:50:26,987
Speaker 13: to take everything in his stride. He's unfaced by anything.

2215
01:50:27,587 --> 01:50:30,427
Speaker 13: The only thing he's got to learn, really, he's got

2216
01:50:30,507 --> 01:50:33,587
Speaker 13: to learn to get beat. He really doesn't like getting beat,

2217
01:50:33,627 --> 01:50:36,907
Speaker 13: and I don't know too many superstars that do, so

2218
01:50:37,027 --> 01:50:40,547
Speaker 13: he's got that quality. But what a charming young man,

2219
01:50:40,587 --> 01:50:42,827
Speaker 13: and what an incredible future he has. And you got

2220
01:50:42,867 --> 01:50:45,307
Speaker 13: to see him in the early stages of his career.

2221
01:50:45,627 --> 01:50:48,667
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you talk about the people, you know, not

2222
01:50:48,787 --> 01:50:50,547
Speaker 2: just the dance players, but the people, and I think

2223
01:50:50,627 --> 01:50:54,467
Speaker 2: this is common. I also had the chance, the privilege

2224
01:50:54,467 --> 01:50:56,267
Speaker 2: of speaking to world number one Luke Humphrey's on the

2225
01:50:56,307 --> 01:50:59,787
Speaker 2: show last Weekendian an impressive win last night, Everything ninety nine,

2226
01:50:59,867 --> 01:51:02,787
Speaker 2: hitting forty six percent of his doubles. As impressive as

2227
01:51:02,827 --> 01:51:04,707
Speaker 2: a player he is, I just found him a charming

2228
01:51:04,827 --> 01:51:05,707
Speaker 2: person as well.

2229
01:51:07,267 --> 01:51:08,427
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Luke really is.

2230
01:51:09,427 --> 01:51:12,067
Speaker 13: He's world number one for another reason. He really is

2231
01:51:12,147 --> 01:51:15,267
Speaker 13: the number one person. He's just a super super lad and.

2232
01:51:16,107 --> 01:51:18,627
Speaker 16: And I can't I can't stress how much.

2233
01:51:20,107 --> 01:51:23,387
Speaker 13: He's brought to the Dame himself. He handles everything with

2234
01:51:23,507 --> 01:51:26,587
Speaker 13: great distinction, and of course let's not forget that he's

2235
01:51:26,747 --> 01:51:29,667
Speaker 13: very very young too. And you know, this is a

2236
01:51:29,827 --> 01:51:32,307
Speaker 13: sign for all those youngsters out there that are joining

2237
01:51:32,347 --> 01:51:36,387
Speaker 13: academism playing darts. It's not just good for your mental arithmetic,

2238
01:51:36,827 --> 01:51:40,147
Speaker 13: but it's great for a future in sport. And it's

2239
01:51:40,267 --> 01:51:42,627
Speaker 13: and it's proved to be that it really is not

2240
01:51:42,827 --> 01:51:44,827
Speaker 13: just one of the great sports to watch on TV,

2241
01:51:45,427 --> 01:51:48,467
Speaker 13: it's making a lot of sportsmen very very wealthy.

2242
01:51:49,107 --> 01:51:52,947
Speaker 2: So quarter finals Best of eleven tonight, Luke Littler, Dimitri Vandenberg,

2243
01:51:53,027 --> 01:51:56,707
Speaker 2: Luke Humphreys, Michael Smith, Rob Cross, Damon Hitter, Gerwin Price,

2244
01:51:56,827 --> 01:51:59,187
Speaker 2: Peter Wright and then in to see he's in the final.

2245
01:51:59,227 --> 01:52:01,227
Speaker 2: Who do you expect to be calling out for the

2246
01:52:01,667 --> 01:52:03,867
Speaker 2: for the Grand Final tonight or is hit too difficult

2247
01:52:03,907 --> 01:52:04,747
Speaker 2: a question to ask?

2248
01:52:05,867 --> 01:52:08,227
Speaker 13: Well, it's it's a really tough one, you know, because

2249
01:52:08,267 --> 01:52:11,307
Speaker 13: anybody on their day it's capable of pulling off that

2250
01:52:12,347 --> 01:52:16,027
Speaker 13: crucial win. Going with form, of course, you've got to

2251
01:52:16,067 --> 01:52:19,787
Speaker 13: look at people like Michael Smith still in the running

2252
01:52:20,467 --> 01:52:22,547
Speaker 13: and you can't rule out a back to back victory

2253
01:52:22,627 --> 01:52:26,147
Speaker 13: for girl in Price. But you know something all, all

2254
01:52:26,467 --> 01:52:29,947
Speaker 13: permutations are possible. It's one of those situations when you

2255
01:52:30,067 --> 01:52:33,147
Speaker 13: have the very best with nothing between them. Too too

2256
01:52:33,307 --> 01:52:36,147
Speaker 13: tough a call to give you the man who lifts

2257
01:52:36,147 --> 01:52:36,907
Speaker 13: a trophy.

2258
01:52:37,187 --> 01:52:39,587
Speaker 2: Your voice, John, is your livelihood? Do you have any

2259
01:52:39,587 --> 01:52:41,827
Speaker 2: strategies to make sure it's well predicted?

2260
01:52:43,507 --> 01:52:43,947
Speaker 7: Not really.

2261
01:52:44,067 --> 01:52:45,827
Speaker 13: I mean I've been a talk all my life. I

2262
01:52:45,907 --> 01:52:50,387
Speaker 13: suppose you know, if you're that type of person. I

2263
01:52:50,467 --> 01:52:52,867
Speaker 13: think the only time my larynx ever really sort of

2264
01:52:53,027 --> 01:52:54,467
Speaker 13: take a sigh of relief is when.

2265
01:52:54,347 --> 01:52:55,027
Speaker 5: I go to sleep.

2266
01:52:56,307 --> 01:52:58,627
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things. I do

2267
01:52:58,747 --> 01:53:01,387
Speaker 13: warm it up actually before an event, but last night

2268
01:53:01,547 --> 01:53:04,667
Speaker 13: was exceptionally tough because you know, we had eight games,

2269
01:53:04,747 --> 01:53:07,387
Speaker 13: quite fast and curious and a little bit of warm

2270
01:53:07,507 --> 01:53:09,347
Speaker 13: up with the crowd. So yeah, you know, I mean

2271
01:53:09,427 --> 01:53:11,707
Speaker 13: it does take its tolld Ironically, if you don't do

2272
01:53:11,787 --> 01:53:14,787
Speaker 13: it every single day, then it gets a little bit tougher.

2273
01:53:14,867 --> 01:53:18,587
Speaker 13: So sometimes tournaments that are a week long actually work

2274
01:53:18,627 --> 01:53:19,267
Speaker 13: in my favor.

2275
01:53:19,947 --> 01:53:21,587
Speaker 2: How often do you get people stopping you in the

2276
01:53:21,667 --> 01:53:24,227
Speaker 2: straight and asking you to call them the champion.

2277
01:53:23,867 --> 01:53:27,787
Speaker 13: Of the world, Well, every single day in my life, sadly,

2278
01:53:27,907 --> 01:53:33,027
Speaker 13: But what is quite remarkable, and I spent a lot

2279
01:53:33,067 --> 01:53:37,387
Speaker 13: of time traveling with Rushbury the referee, and we both

2280
01:53:37,427 --> 01:53:40,707
Speaker 13: get asked the same question every single day, and today

2281
01:53:40,747 --> 01:53:42,707
Speaker 13: will be no exception. I'll have a walk out in

2282
01:53:42,787 --> 01:53:45,787
Speaker 13: Hamilton and I no doubt get asked this again. The

2283
01:53:45,827 --> 01:53:49,347
Speaker 13: biggest thing that happens nowadays is people come up to

2284
01:53:49,427 --> 01:53:53,187
Speaker 13: me and just randomly say, Wow, he's some player, that

2285
01:53:53,347 --> 01:53:58,307
Speaker 13: young kid, and that's really business tone. Since January the third,

2286
01:53:58,387 --> 01:54:02,227
Speaker 13: when he graced the World Championship stage, I've never known anything.

2287
01:54:02,307 --> 01:54:05,987
Speaker 5: They call it the Litler effect, but it really is remarkable.

2288
01:54:06,027 --> 01:54:08,267
Speaker 5: We talk about it every day. He's just a.

2289
01:54:08,307 --> 01:54:11,827
Speaker 13: Remarkable player, and it's so wonderful to be in and

2290
01:54:11,907 --> 01:54:16,187
Speaker 13: around an era that's created such an incredible player.

2291
01:54:16,427 --> 01:54:19,587
Speaker 2: Indeed, where do you actually watch the action from John?

2292
01:54:21,427 --> 01:54:24,347
Speaker 13: So I'm really a backstage merchant. So you know I

2293
01:54:24,467 --> 01:54:26,587
Speaker 13: did the same in the boxing and the snooker and

2294
01:54:27,067 --> 01:54:28,987
Speaker 13: every other sport I've been involved in. As soon as

2295
01:54:29,027 --> 01:54:30,427
Speaker 13: I've got that game on, I get out of the

2296
01:54:30,467 --> 01:54:32,907
Speaker 13: way and I normally sit around the back of the stage,

2297
01:54:33,147 --> 01:54:36,067
Speaker 13: grab a cup of teeth, bit a few biscuits, maybe

2298
01:54:36,187 --> 01:54:38,267
Speaker 13: catch up on the next match, have a quick look round,

2299
01:54:39,067 --> 01:54:41,307
Speaker 13: and then I do tend to watch the last bits

2300
01:54:41,307 --> 01:54:45,267
Speaker 13: of the game because I'm that type of person that

2301
01:54:45,307 --> 01:54:47,947
Speaker 13: I never quite know when I might be called upon.

2302
01:54:48,067 --> 01:54:52,147
Speaker 13: You know, I've had situations in the past where reporter

2303
01:54:52,227 --> 01:54:55,147
Speaker 13: has not been in place, or something's happened and I've

2304
01:54:55,227 --> 01:54:57,427
Speaker 13: needed to do something on the match, so I like

2305
01:54:57,547 --> 01:54:59,587
Speaker 13: to sort of keep a close eye on it. But

2306
01:54:59,867 --> 01:55:01,507
Speaker 13: at least the first little bit I can get a

2307
01:55:01,627 --> 01:55:04,947
Speaker 13: chance to just go backstage, grab a couple sit there

2308
01:55:05,067 --> 01:55:07,947
Speaker 13: and generally listen to it going on in the background,

2309
01:55:08,347 --> 01:55:10,347
Speaker 13: but I'm normally out of the way somewhere.

2310
01:55:10,707 --> 01:55:12,787
Speaker 2: Wonderful to have you in New Zealand and John Look,

2311
01:55:12,947 --> 01:55:15,507
Speaker 2: darts is truly global now and I know there's been

2312
01:55:15,627 --> 01:55:19,787
Speaker 2: huge anticipation for the Hamilton Darts Masters, some blockbuster matchups tonight.

2313
01:55:19,867 --> 01:55:21,427
Speaker 2: Hope the voice holds for your mate, which by the

2314
01:55:21,467 --> 01:55:24,227
Speaker 2: sounds of things, that will really appreciate your time this afternoon.

2315
01:55:25,667 --> 01:55:27,387
Speaker 13: That's been a real pleasure. And I've got to just

2316
01:55:27,467 --> 01:55:30,347
Speaker 13: say one other thing. The hospitality here in New Zealand

2317
01:55:30,547 --> 01:55:33,387
Speaker 13: has been second to none. You truly are wonderful people

2318
01:55:33,507 --> 01:55:36,187
Speaker 13: and you have the most beautiful country. Long may it

2319
01:55:36,307 --> 01:55:38,587
Speaker 13: be that way, and let's hope we see you in

2320
01:55:38,667 --> 01:55:39,147
Speaker 13: the future.

2321
01:55:39,587 --> 01:55:41,787
Speaker 2: We'll look forward to having you back. John, You're welcome anytime.

2322
01:55:41,867 --> 01:55:47,147
Speaker 2: That's pdc mc John McDonald Hamilton Darts Masters Night two

2323
01:55:47,187 --> 01:55:51,467
Speaker 2: tonight starts with the quarterfinals Luke Lutler dimitriy Vandenberg, Luke

2324
01:55:51,547 --> 01:55:54,267
Speaker 2: Humphreys Michael Smith. The winners of those two will meet

2325
01:55:54,307 --> 01:55:57,627
Speaker 2: in Semi Final number one, goow and Price and Peter Wright.

2326
01:55:57,947 --> 01:56:00,667
Speaker 2: Rob Cross against Damon Hitter. The winners of those two

2327
01:56:00,747 --> 01:56:02,907
Speaker 2: matches will meet in Semi Final number two, then onto

2328
01:56:02,947 --> 01:56:06,427
Speaker 2: the final which is the best of fifteen leagues. If

2329
01:56:06,427 --> 01:56:09,307
Speaker 2: you're heading along tonight, enjoy yourself. You'll no doubt stay

2330
01:56:09,427 --> 01:56:11,947
Speaker 2: drier than anybody coming to Eden Park where it is

2331
01:56:12,027 --> 01:56:15,827
Speaker 2: still raining. I have to report hopefully it'll ease off

2332
01:56:16,027 --> 01:56:19,987
Speaker 2: by kickoff at seven o'clock seventeen away from three when

2333
01:56:20,027 --> 01:56:22,827
Speaker 2: we come back. Could the log of wood be headed

2334
01:56:22,947 --> 01:56:26,147
Speaker 2: south Hawks Bay put it on the line against Southland

2335
01:56:26,227 --> 01:56:30,347
Speaker 2: this afternoon. Going to bring in a mad Southland Stags

2336
01:56:30,427 --> 01:56:34,147
Speaker 2: fan to give us his undoubtedly biased view about this

2337
01:56:34,307 --> 01:56:36,867
Speaker 2: when we come back on Weekend Sport Lay from.

2338
01:56:36,907 --> 01:56:40,307
Speaker 1: Eden Park on your home of sport Weekend Sport with

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Speaker 1: Jason Pive and GJ Under Hooves, New Zealand's most trusted

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Speaker 1: home builder News Talk z'b.

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Speaker 2: Two forty seven. Well all roads might lead to Edon

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Speaker 2: Park tonight at seven o'clock, but for fans of hawks

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Speaker 2: Bay and in particular fans of Southland, all roads lead

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Speaker 2: to McClain Park in Napier this afternoon, where it's the

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Speaker 2: ramfully shield on the line. Can the Stags take it

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Speaker 2: off those dastardly hawks Bay magpies who broke it in

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Speaker 2: half when they won it off Wellington last year? And

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Speaker 2: I thought to myself, who do I know who was

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Speaker 2: a big Southland Stags man? And I landed on one name,

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Speaker 2: the host of the Muster on Hokkanui weekdays one to

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Speaker 2: two pm on Hockinue, Southland, also via iHeartRadio, Andy Mure.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be a chance, don't you.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, get a pony. You're always a started chance in

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Speaker 21: these games, aren't you. But I remember when I was

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Speaker 21: a young fellow following Southland, I think it might have

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Speaker 21: been nineteen eighty five and we're up and against Canterbury

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Speaker 21: in the First Division and I thought, yet we're a

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Speaker 21: start as chance. We lost fifty five zls. So from

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Speaker 21: from that stage when it comes to these big games,

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Speaker 21: especially being a Southland fan, you've kind of you're realistic

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Speaker 21: that there's a good chance that is not going to go,

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Speaker 21: that everything's going to fall you away, but at the

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Speaker 21: same time you're always a start as chance. And the

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Speaker 21: class of twenty four arguably last week we're on a

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Speaker 21: two game winning street. Of course he beat the Turbos

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Speaker 21: at the end of last year play, so we're going

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Speaker 21: to the head today. It's all happening.

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Speaker 2: It is all happening. I was trying to work out

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Speaker 2: when the last time the log of what resided and

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Speaker 2: in Viicago was twenty eleven. Is that right?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, twenty three of July twenty and eleven. They've been

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Speaker 21: Canterbury twenty two nineteen. But the big one for Southenders

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Speaker 21: was back in twenty second of October two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 21: a fifty eight year old drought was ended when they

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Speaker 21: be Cannbary ninety three at precisely about nine o two pm.

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Speaker 21: Not to get too technical about the time, because when

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Speaker 21: you get these milestones you need to celebrate them. So

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Speaker 21: we've had enough challenges. We played Hawks made a few

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Speaker 21: times and challenges. We had a draw about ten years

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Speaker 21: ago when we were close to winning the game at

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Speaker 21: the high A West drop cap put paid to that.

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Speaker 21: And when you're a south And fan at the moment,

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Speaker 21: we're a battler's team, We're a battling supporters. Let's be

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Speaker 21: honest about the situation. Southend isn't considered a sexy union

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Speaker 21: to go to. But I'll tell you what point when

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Speaker 21: it comes to passion for the team, I think the

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Speaker 21: Stag's right up there.

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Speaker 2: Oh look at it? Well I can we can tell

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Speaker 2: this by just listening to you Andy and your love

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Speaker 2: for this tame nine three? Did you say, what a thriller?

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Speaker 1: What a thriller?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, there was a song put out here nine three,

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Speaker 21: nine three against kenneby Ree. Yeah it was who cares

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Speaker 21: one point or one hundred points? You've got to take

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Speaker 21: the w's when you're at maroon supported down here and yeah,

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Speaker 21: like it's going to be interesting. The Stags looked pretty

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Speaker 21: good last week last weekend against the Targo, getting that

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Speaker 21: well there that Lucy's in particular and Dylan out Dylan

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Speaker 21: now at number eight, Blair Ryle and Sean Withze who

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Speaker 21: we managed to get from a target this year as

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Speaker 21: captain the very good loose board trio. Mitch Dunshat's come

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Speaker 21: down as well with Josh Specuits, who's been around as

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Speaker 21: Nollers on the yak and you need that experience in

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Speaker 21: the middle room. But as well the guy in the

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Speaker 21: back line to look out for today. He's come down

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Speaker 21: for Markland fell A Toy Penney. Now he was Auckland

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Speaker 21: Club Player of the Year twenty twenty two and twenty three.

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Speaker 21: He's come down for Markland on a four week trial

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Speaker 21: and last week who came on as reserve but he

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Speaker 21: was an absolute pocket rocket. So he's starting at twelve

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Speaker 21: today and yeah, just it'll be interesting because Southland last

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Speaker 21: week played with a lot more purpose than you'd ever seen.

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Speaker 21: Arguably they should have won by twenty points given the

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Speaker 21: amount of position in the first half. But like I say,

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Speaker 21: they got the w so you can just play what's

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Speaker 21: in front of you and today we'll get a bit

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Speaker 21: of gauge where the team's at.

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Speaker 2: Well, I Tago turned around last night and beat Auckland,

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Speaker 2: so maybe you're gonna win the whole thing, the shield

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Speaker 2: and the NPC Andy.

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Speaker 21: Well, theoretically speaking, that's one hundred percent correct point here

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Speaker 21: I'm not going to argue with that logicus at all.

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Speaker 21: I mean the Target winning that game and then a

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Speaker 21: Target team last week. We're disappointing like twenty super rugby

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Speaker 21: players on the Otago books by the sounds of it,

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Speaker 21: and so for the for Auckland to lose, I was

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Speaker 21: really surprised when I heard that score. So I don't know,

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Speaker 21: this could be a year you always live and live

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Speaker 21: in hope. But the thing is if we win, of

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Speaker 21: course they've got the neck on the first challenge next

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Speaker 21: weekend as well, so it doesn't get any easier. So

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Speaker 21: like to say, you don't get a hit in yourself

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Speaker 21: down here in the South. To put in a retrospect

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Speaker 21: for people, were were speaking snowshollers over the next couple

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Speaker 21: of days. I think it's the highest three or four

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Speaker 21: degrees here just for normal for South and in general.

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Speaker 21: So it's a little bit nippy. It feels like it's

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Speaker 21: going to be snowing on the top of seevening as

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Speaker 21: you go outside here, but it's just August. Being August

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Speaker 21: might be cold outside for the cocklers of our hearts

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Speaker 21: are pretty warm.

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Speaker 2: I love it here and I'm so glad I got

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Speaker 2: you on All the Best this afternoon made Old Fick

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Speaker 2: your message it full time.

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Speaker 21: Handler's that Pony.

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Speaker 2: Gonyon Andy Mule there, host of the Muster on Hakanui

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Speaker 2: and an absolute Stags enthusiast. As you can hear there

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Speaker 2: it's oh that game at four thirty five this afternoon incidentally,

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Speaker 2: and you can hear commentary on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: eight to three News Talks EB.

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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

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Speaker 1: on eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pine News Talks.

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Speaker 2: MB five to three final text and Pony, can you

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Speaker 2: remember what the tab had Argentina paying to win head

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Speaker 2: to head over the All Blacks last weekend? Thanks Kerry.

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Speaker 2: I think at one stage they were seven fifty to win,

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Speaker 2: so hopefully people got on that. I'm looking at the

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Speaker 2: current odds five twenty five Argentina the All Blacks one thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening into the show. I'm back in

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Speaker 2: about three hours for the build up to the test

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Speaker 2: match tonight. From six we build up to a seven

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Speaker 2: o'clock kick off. I hope you can join us then.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening in this afternoon. Andy, thanks for producing

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Speaker 2: What's our exit song?

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Speaker 24: Today, Yes, Piney, because of the enthusiasm of all you

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Speaker 24: Southland Stags fans, I've gone for Neil Diamonds Southern Man

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Speaker 24: to finish it off. So enjoy, enjoy your ran Filly

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Speaker 24: Shield win if you get that.

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Speaker 2: Very good and you'll be hearing how the test of

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Speaker 2: the civil defense message just as we close the show

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Speaker 2: there really threw me. There, Piney, I thought that was

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Speaker 2: your song. I thought you'd picked the civil defense messages

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Speaker 2: your song. I thought I'd played the wrong thing as well.

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Speaker 24: But I don't think I have the power to play

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Speaker 24: a civil defense message, Piney, Southern Man is a song

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Speaker 24: very good.

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Speaker 2: See tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live

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