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Speaker 1: The government's proposing to step up its deportation game. Currently,

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Speaker 1: we can't deport criminals if they've been residents of New

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Speaker 1: Zealand for more than ten years. A proposed law change

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Speaker 1: would extend that to twenty years. Erica Stanford is the

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Speaker 1: Minister of Immigration. High Erica, Hey, how are you would this?

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Speaker 1: I'm well thank you. Would this allow us to deport

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Speaker 1: the Mama Hooch brothers.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly where this started from. It's a pretty disgusting

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Speaker 2: case and the fact that they've been here for longer

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Speaker 2: than ten years means that we are unable to deport them.

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Speaker 2: And this is where all this work started from, which

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Speaker 2: is just toughening up to make sure that we can

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Speaker 2: deport people who have committed serious sexual and violent offenses.

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Speaker 1: So you're extending it to twenty years. Have those boys

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Speaker 1: been here less than twenty years?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Are we going to be able to get rid of them?

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Speaker 2: Well, this will be one of the we won't be

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Speaker 2: in this case because it's not retrospective. This will be

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Speaker 2: future focused. But there will be a question for the

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Speaker 2: Select Committee to work out whether or not twenty years

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Speaker 2: is the right I mean the right number of years.

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Speaker 2: I mean, should it be longer, should it be never?

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Speaker 2: I've set it twenty years. But are we very interested

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Speaker 2: to hear what the public's feedback is and their tolerance

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Speaker 2: for people who permit such crimes? You know, if you've

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Speaker 2: been here for thirty years or forty years or does

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Speaker 2: it not matter? So I'd like to hit a public

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Speaker 2: feedback around.

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Speaker 1: I mean, isn't there a case Erica for actually, if

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Speaker 1: you haven't got citizenship, if you're on a residence visa

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Speaker 1: and you've been here sixty years and you decide to

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Speaker 1: kill somebody or rape somebody, you're out the door.

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Speaker 2: Well, yet, that is something we should definitely consider through

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Speaker 2: the select committee process.

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Speaker 1: How many criminals have we got in the country right

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Speaker 1: now who we'd love to be able to deport but

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Speaker 1: can't because of the ten year rule.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question. There won't be many. They'll

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Speaker 2: probably just a small handful, I expect. I don't actually

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Speaker 2: know that, and it may be that Immigration don't have

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Speaker 2: those figures either, but certainly, moving forward, let's get them

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Speaker 2: on their bike.

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Speaker 1: So what did you make of that quite large number

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Speaker 1: of overstays.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was a number I was expecting. I'd kind

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Speaker 2: of guessed myself that's where it would land. It is

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Speaker 2: really difficult to know what the actual figures have been

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Speaker 2: in the past. We've never measured it like this before.

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Speaker 2: There has been a number come in since the border

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Speaker 2: has reopened, and that was a product of the fact

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Speaker 2: that immigration New Zealand their systems and processes in terms

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Speaker 2: of proper verification and risk management were up to scratch.

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Speaker 2: They've certainly been tightened now, but it does mean that

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Speaker 2: they're going to need a few extra tools in the

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Speaker 2: toolbox to help move people on.

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Speaker 1: Why have we got so many American overstays.

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Speaker 2: It's just a proportion. We have a lot of Americans

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Speaker 2: come in and visit like we do a lot of

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Speaker 2: Chinese as well, So when you actually look at it

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Speaker 2: by percentage of people who come in, it's very different.

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Speaker 2: The Americans drop right down. There is only point one

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Speaker 2: four percent of Americans who overstay their visas, so it's

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Speaker 2: actually quite low.

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Speaker 1: Well, somebody suggested that it was because of McMurdo stations.

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Speaker 1: So they come into the New Zealand, they fly down

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Speaker 1: to Antarctic, you don't have to get anything stamped on

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Speaker 1: the way to Antarctica, and then they go over to

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Speaker 1: McMurdo and perhaps exit through Chili or something and never

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Speaker 1: never officially leave New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I'll look into that. I'm not sure that's the case.

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Speaker 2: We've got quite sophisticated data monitoring now, so I'll look

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Speaker 2: into it, but I'm not sure that's the case, Erica.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Erga Stamford, Immigration Minister. She was trying to

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Speaker 1: tell me I was wrong, but being kind about it.

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Speaker 1: The numbers are twenty one thousand overstays. The top three

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Speaker 1: countries where those overstairs are from Tonga with two thousand,

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Speaker 1: six hundred, China with two thousand, six hundred, and the

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Speaker 1: US with two thy two hundred. For more from hither

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