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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Edb Leete Padler Alicia Hoskin joined a very exclusive club

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Speaker 2: of Kiwi's to win multiple gold medals at the same

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Speaker 2: Olympic Games.

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Speaker 3: First this, it is Germany at the moment, who have

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Speaker 3: their bow just in front from the New Zealanders. Charrington

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Speaker 3: setting the rhythm and the pace for her teammates. And

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Speaker 3: behind the bows and now back in front for New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: It's Carrington lifting the rates. The black boat keeping its

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Speaker 3: nose in front of Germany. They can see the finish line.

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Speaker 3: It is gold for New Zealand. It's the women's K

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Speaker 3: four to the four and the sixth golden moment for

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Speaker 3: Dame Lisa.

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Speaker 2: And then this.

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Speaker 3: They are six meters ahead. Ah They're flying the Kiwi crew.

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Speaker 3: There is no stopping Charrington and Hoskin. They are heading

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Speaker 3: for the finish line and they are miles ahead of

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Speaker 3: the opposition. Carrington and Hoskin a boat link for the

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Speaker 3: half leet New Zealand gold. Two golds in two days

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Speaker 3: for the dynamic duo, and the legacy of the goat

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Speaker 3: in the boat just gets bigger by the.

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Speaker 2: Race gold and the K two five hundred alongside Dame

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Speaker 2: Lisa Carrington, having also won the K four five hundred

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Speaker 2: with Dame Lisa, Tara Vaughan and Olivia Brett the previous day.

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Speaker 2: Alicia Oskin is with us. Celicia just yeah, I hope

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Speaker 2: you enjoyed listening to those calls. With a couple of

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Speaker 2: months now past. How do you reflect back on what

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Speaker 2: happened in Paris?

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Speaker 4: I mean even just hearing you talk about those accomplishments,

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Speaker 4: that still brings a big smile to my face, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's still sinking in.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like, what an absolute.

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Speaker 4: Privilege to be able to compete with these girls and

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Speaker 4: to be in a place like Paris doing it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I have extremely fond memories and it has been nice

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Speaker 4: even getting back on the water now, back doing what

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Speaker 4: we'd love. It's just nice to be carrying that experience

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Speaker 4: with us and yeah, we're still buzzing awesome.

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Speaker 2: Can you take us back, Alicia, to the process behind

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Speaker 2: you being paired with Dame Lisa Carrington and the K

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Speaker 2: two then after Caitlin Regal retired following the last Olympic Games.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 4: I mean every combination, every group of athletes that make

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Speaker 4: completely different. So it has been really cool learning from

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Speaker 4: the crews that have been before us, but then really

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Speaker 4: balancing that with you've got to find your uniqueness within

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Speaker 4: that's been a really cool journey of just learning how

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Speaker 4: to work with Lisa, how we optimize our paddling, but

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Speaker 4: then also how we work together off the water, and

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Speaker 4: same with the K four. Us know, there's been a

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Speaker 4: few crews that have been before I set. We've learnt

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Speaker 4: so much off and it's cool to see that legacy

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Speaker 4: keep progressing.

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Speaker 5: So we're trying to sort of.

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Speaker 4: Accumulate all our knowledge so that the girls that can

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Speaker 5: That can also bring their uniqueness to the boat. So

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Speaker 5: it's been a.

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Speaker 4: Really cool journey learning how that works in the physical

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Speaker 4: it's been a lot of work, but it's been a

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the K four as well,

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Speaker 2: but in the K two with Dame Lisa, was it

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Speaker 2: a connection that you were able to forge relatively quickly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean I got the opportunity to peddle a K

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Speaker 4: stop the boat from shaking. So it's been a full

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Speaker 5: So I would say it's relatively.

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Speaker 4: Quick and easy to be able to step into that

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Speaker 2: Did you feel any pressure though, at Lisia coming into

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Speaker 5: Definitely?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think I just tried to frame it

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Speaker 4: it is you know, you get these opportunities once every

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Speaker 5: There. There's definitely pressure, but I think that's half the fun.

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Speaker 4: Of it is learning how to actually use the pressure

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Speaker 4: to get more out of yourself. I think without the pressure,

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Speaker 4: how to frame it up. But there was definitely pressure.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're peddling with the goat of the sport

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Speaker 2: So in Paris, the K four final was the first one.

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Speaker 2: You led it halfway, but then Germany got got in front.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you're all bit nervous back you're watching,

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Speaker 2: but you got back in front and took the gold.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's so exciting because the Germans and the

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Speaker 5: A strong legacy in the sport.

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Speaker 4: They've won the Olympic Games between those two countries since

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Speaker 4: it began, so to actually be in the fight with

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Speaker 5: But we sort of we.

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Speaker 4: Knew the different race strategies that different countries have, so

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Speaker 5: Was like, all right, we're going. We're all in here,

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Speaker 5: this feeling you're always ting for and it's sort of

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Speaker 5: the it's cooler than the gold medal.

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Speaker 4: That feeling is like coming through the back end of

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Speaker 5: So yeah, that's a cool memory for all of us

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Speaker 5: to bet I.

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Speaker 2: Bet I remember chatting to Tara and Olivia afterwards. Actually

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Speaker 2: they were so delighted and rightly so can you talk

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Speaker 2: about how you forged such an effect of K four combination?

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Speaker 5: Definitely, I mean every girl brings sort of that unique

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Speaker 4: So, like someone like Olivia is an extremely powerful athlete,

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Speaker 2: So what's your role then in the two seat in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess something that I can do is limit

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Speaker 5: Pedals are going through the water.

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Speaker 4: That sort of my responsibility is to connect Lisa with

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Speaker 5: And I also do a lot of the calls.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant. So in the lead up to Paris, then how

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's why it was so important for our

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Speaker 2: So the K four gold medals locked away. The next day,

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Speaker 4: So the last one hundred meters of the race was

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Speaker 5: I was just so focused on Lisa staying in sync

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Speaker 2: Now I don't expect you to reveal the content of

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Speaker 2: Have you or would you ever race K one?

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Speaker 4: that's definitely where my priority is.

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Speaker 2: All Right, you've had heart surgery when you were seventeen

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Speaker 4: I mean if my oblation wasn't successful, then there would

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Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing and sight, what a great outlook as well.

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Speaker 2: So where are your gold medals? Where do you keep them?

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Speaker 4: They're actually just here, They're on my desk. They come

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they're not supposed to live behind glass, are they

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Speaker 2: it's been such a pleasure talking to you, Alicia just

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Speaker 2: You're back training now you're back in the water.

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Speaker 5: So I have got back out on the water, back.

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Speaker 2: Well, you gave us a couple of absolutely magnificent moments

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Speaker 2: congratulations Alicia. It's obviously, you know, nowhere near the end

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Speaker 2: that takes. Again, congratulations and thanks so much for taking

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Alicia. Alicia Hoskin there, double gold medalist at Paris

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