1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: On the huddle with me this evening, we have Tris 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: Sharson from Sherson Willis pr and Josie PEGANI, CEO of 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: Child Fund. 6 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 3: Hi, are you too? 7 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 4: Hello? 8 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: A you that right? 9 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 3: What do you reckon? Trish? Should the firefighter be investigated? 10 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I think it's ridiculous to think that. 11 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 4: A meme, what's essentially turned into a gesture that's turned 12 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 4: into a meme, should now be turned into a disciplinary process. 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 5: I think it's a reminder to. 14 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 4: You know, the leaders in our organizations that they're going 15 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 4: to have to be a bit more grown up when 16 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 4: it comes to reacting to stuff like this that rears 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 4: its head on social media. Then they get a call 18 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 4: from the media to say what are you going to do? 19 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 5: And their first reaction is an investigation. 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 4: I actually thought the PM this morning, the way he 21 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 4: laughed it off, I thought it was smart, smart politics. 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 4: He didn't go into pearl clutching about it, which would 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 4: be ridiculous. But I think what it what it reminds 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 4: us of Number one in New Zealand. We love humor 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 4: like this. That that video went around New Zealand in 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 4: lightning speed over the weekend and we all had a 27 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 4: bit of a chuckle. But underlying that, I think is 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 4: what I would call the contempt gap. You know, politicians 29 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 4: used to be held. 30 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 5: In sort of awe whereas these days for a. 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 4: Lot of people, you know, they just they don't have 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 4: the same feeling anymore. People are feeling unheard. There is 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 4: just respect around. But the good news for New Zealand 34 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 4: is if this is the level of our you know, 35 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 4: showing what we actually feel about politicians, we're in a 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 4: pretty good space compared. 37 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: To other countries too, Right, Jose, what do you think? 38 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the firefighter woman who did this gesture, 39 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 6: she wasn't doing it to the cameras, she wasn't doing 40 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 6: it in public. She was clearly turning around doing it 41 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 6: to a mate of hers and going, you know what 42 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 6: a banker. And so you know the fact that it 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 6: went public isn't her fault. And I think you made 44 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 6: that point too. 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 5: She hasn't. 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 6: She hasn't sort of put this up on TikTok herself, 47 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 6: and I think you're right. Trish Luxem's response was actually 48 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 6: really good. He just said, you know, stay calm, laughed off, 49 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 6: although he did use one of his you know, menu 50 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 6: of cliches and metaphors. I think he said something like, 51 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 6: you know, well there's a lot of moving parts, which 52 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 6: I have no idea what he means by that. And 53 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 6: I think that also talks to another bigger problem here though, 54 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 6: which you alluded to Trish, that it shows also I 55 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 6: think that luxelm is just not really connecting with people 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 6: despite the hand on the shoulder, and that's a problem 57 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 6: for National, isn't it. I mean that, you know, there's 58 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 6: a feeling that he just talks like chat GPT. He 59 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 6: doesn't really talk like a human. He talks like a spreadsheet, 60 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 6: and you know, this is just another example of him 61 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 6: not really connecting. And I think this is just this 62 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 6: problem for National is just going to keep accelerating because 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 6: unfortunately connecting with the voters as part of the job. 64 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 4: Do you know what I thought the toughest part of 65 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 4: watching that video was when so so Luxeon's He's gone 66 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 4: from just patting someone on the arm to to sort 67 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 4: of a rub like you'd give you great auntie, which 68 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 4: is you know, you needs to pull back on the 69 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 4: keep hands yourself. But then he walks away and he's 70 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 4: like the uncool kid in the playground, thinking he's really 71 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 4: made strides with the cool gang. And so he's walking 72 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: away and he thinks, should I'll turn back and give 73 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 4: them one more wave? That went so well, And so 74 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 4: he's in the background waving again and she's in the front, 75 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: still in the gesture. 76 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 5: It was quite a hard watch. 77 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 6: It's awful, and it's kind of like you feel that 78 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 6: his political advisors will be telling him again and again, 79 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 6: you know, be yourself, be yourself. But the problem is 80 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 6: what is being yourself is that you know, basically are 81 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 6: outperformed by your lecteruns every time you give a speech. 82 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 6: So I don't know. You know, it's hard to know 83 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 6: what to do with him, isn't it. He's not doing 84 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 6: anything wrong as such, he's saying the right things. He 85 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 6: responded well this morning. It's just not connecting. We just 86 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 6: don't love him, and you've got to love someone who's 87 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 6: the leader of your country, or at least admire them. 88 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, we just have to enjoy this video. I think again. 89 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: We'll take a break, come back to you guys. Shortly. 90 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only 91 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: truly global brand. 92 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: All right, you're back with the huddle, Joseph Gani Trisherson. 93 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: Okay, Josie Madeline has sent me a text, and it's 94 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: the first plausible explanation I have for what the hell 95 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: Andrew was doing on his hands and knees. She reckons 96 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: he might have been doing a first aid course and 97 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: the woman was a dummy. 98 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 6: Well, anyone who's done a first day course, it's only 99 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 6: half a tulso, So I don't think that explanation stacks up. 100 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 6: That was the whole body. It's just it's really weird. 101 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 6: The weird bit about it is his look to camera, 102 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 6: like I believe he was doing some kind of abdominal message. 103 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 6: If you didn't have that weird look to the camera 104 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 6: where he looks like, you know, cat that got the 105 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 6: milk and he's about to do something awful. It's just, 106 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 6: oh my god, what a what an incredible stain on 107 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 6: you know, King Charles and this new reign. It just 108 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 6: feels so sordid. It's the whole thing feels salacious, sordid. 109 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 6: But the other thing that struck me about it is, 110 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 6: you know, all this stuff coming out this weekend and 111 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 6: we're all reading it kind of you know, intake of 112 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 6: breath going every time we read. Another example of all 113 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 6: of these media people I'm not going to name them, 114 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 6: but media you know, leaders of the world, business leaders, 115 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 6: political leaders, either in their underpants or worried about their 116 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 6: STDs or you know, flying to the Liita Island on 117 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 6: Lolita Express and you look at it and you go, 118 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 6: oh my god. The conspiracy theorist they actually we have 119 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 6: a little bit right, But there's this sort of weird 120 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 6: elite class that thinks that it doesn't have to obey 121 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 6: any rules, any laws, any moral codes, and it's kind 122 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 6: of running the world. And you sort of go, god, 123 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 6: they've got a point. 124 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they often do have a little bit of 125 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: a point somewhere. Do you make it? I reckon, I reckon? 126 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: Kiirstarma's intervention is probably the most problematic for the royals. 127 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think when this whole saga is 128 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 4: looked back on in you know, in his in the 129 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 4: annals of history, I think there's two things that will 130 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 4: come out. One is Epstein will be probably considered the 131 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 4: ultimate con man that he could come literally from nothing, 132 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 4: fake his way from being a teacher in a classroom 133 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 4: to then conning all of these uh you know, these 134 00:06:54,640 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 4: guys into doing what he wanted when he wanted and 135 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 4: obviously he was documenting stuff, so he had it in 136 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 4: the top drawer to keep them doing what he wanted. 137 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 4: And I think secondly, it will be one of the 138 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: biggest lessons ever in fronting up on something and dealing 139 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 4: with it first before it completely destroys you. This will 140 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 4: be the lesson for the Royal family in history. I mean, 141 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 4: Andrew has been. It's just been a disgrace the whole 142 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: way through how he's wanted to handle it. But the 143 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 4: terrible thing is that the Royal family has gone along 144 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: with that, and now with this next release, he is 145 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 4: always now the lightning rod or the sort of example 146 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 4: of just how disgraceful this whole thing was. 147 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 6: But you know, well, I think you and I and 148 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 6: Heather would not be taken in by this con man, right, 149 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 6: So I don't believe they were particularly taken I do 150 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 6: think that there's just some sort of addiction to celebrity. 151 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 6: They all wanted to be in this network because he 152 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 6: was hanging out with the leaders and shakers and the 153 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 6: celebrities and the you know, if he wanted to be 154 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 6: with the people ruling the world, that's where you had 155 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 6: to be. And I just don't believe he was guy 156 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 6: was arrested, you know, for for association with minor or 157 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 6: whatever it was, when his first prison term, and still 158 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 6: these people were texting him and loving him and sending him, 159 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 6: you know, kisses and saying let's meet up. So there's 160 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 6: something kind of sick at the heart of it where 161 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 6: you think I don't think they were conned. I think 162 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 6: they're just they're just you know, there's some sort of 163 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 6: bad moral code that exists in this network of people. 164 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: But the nets money was that not all it was. 165 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: I mean, Fergie kept coming back for the money. The 166 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: New Zealand academic was in it for the money. All 167 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: of these people wanted to be with him because he 168 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: was loaded. 169 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 6: Well he Bill Gates and don't need the money, and 170 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 6: they're hanging out with him and you know, worried about. 171 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 5: But that's something with Epstein. 172 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 4: He didn't have money. He conned his way into having 173 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 4: some wealth behind him, and he was just absolutely he 174 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 4: was a master con artist. He knew psychologically what drove 175 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 4: these guys where they you know, he knew that where 176 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 4: he could. 177 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 5: Push their moral compasses. 178 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 4: Right off the edge, and that's the way that he 179 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 4: got them into this vortex of grub and filth. And ultimately, 180 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 4: I think what this tranche of release has shown is 181 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 4: that the most damaging part of this is not just 182 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 4: their association with them. It's now showing that they have 183 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 4: been lying and cheating all the way along, and that 184 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: their timing in contact to your earlier point, Josie, they 185 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: were donkey deep with this guy even after his first 186 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 4: his first jail time, they literally didn't care about that. 187 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: It's a very good point, ladies. It's lovely to chat 188 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: to the pair of you. Thank you. Tritius and Joseph 189 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 3: Begunny are herdle this evening. 190 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: For more from Heather duplessy Ellen Drive, listen live to 191 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: News Talks itt B from four pm weekdays, or follow 192 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.