1 00:00:06,693 --> 00:00:10,053 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Simon Barnett and James Daniels Afternoons 2 00:00:10,093 --> 00:00:12,133 Speaker 1: podcast from News Talks edb. 3 00:00:13,773 --> 00:00:15,813 Speaker 2: Chats, laughs and the best calls. 4 00:00:16,333 --> 00:00:20,293 Speaker 1: This is the highlight reel with Simon Barnett and James Daniels, 5 00:00:20,293 --> 00:00:21,493 Speaker 1: towered by News Talks ED. 6 00:00:21,573 --> 00:00:23,693 Speaker 3: Be nice to see you, James. You look fit, you 7 00:00:23,693 --> 00:00:27,773 Speaker 3: look well. Thank you. How about this for the height 8 00:00:28,013 --> 00:00:32,013 Speaker 3: of irony? What last Friday we were discussing on the 9 00:00:32,013 --> 00:00:34,493 Speaker 3: back of a Facebook post that went nuts online in 10 00:00:34,573 --> 00:00:37,013 Speaker 3: Canterbury about whether it's okay to pick daffodils from the 11 00:00:37,013 --> 00:00:42,693 Speaker 3: public where this huge discussion it blew up online. I 12 00:00:42,853 --> 00:00:45,773 Speaker 3: go on Father's Day with my children and grandchildren to 13 00:00:45,853 --> 00:00:50,453 Speaker 3: the gardens, the Botanic Gardens and Christchurch. Right, Sam, my 14 00:00:50,493 --> 00:00:52,573 Speaker 3: eldest daughter, says, let's go and take some photos within 15 00:00:52,573 --> 00:00:54,093 Speaker 3: the dafodils with all the kidsick. 16 00:00:54,773 --> 00:00:56,693 Speaker 4: Definitive gardens that they're famous for it. 17 00:00:57,013 --> 00:01:01,653 Speaker 3: And it's beautiful. There's like a million daffodils. Now, this 18 00:01:01,853 --> 00:01:05,133 Speaker 3: is hand on heart gospel truth. What There was lots 19 00:01:05,173 --> 00:01:08,213 Speaker 3: of deafinitil heads that had been packed by obviously little kids, 20 00:01:08,213 --> 00:01:10,613 Speaker 3: and there was trample marks around the big beds of 21 00:01:10,693 --> 00:01:13,653 Speaker 3: daffodils where people were having the photographs. That's a little so. 22 00:01:14,453 --> 00:01:18,453 Speaker 3: Miller is three, Zeb is like one and a half. 23 00:01:18,893 --> 00:01:21,533 Speaker 3: And I gave them some daffodil heads off the ground. 24 00:01:21,613 --> 00:01:23,733 Speaker 3: I ordinarily would have picked them, but because there was 25 00:01:23,773 --> 00:01:26,013 Speaker 3: so much pushback on front of the not picked dafitils, 26 00:01:26,053 --> 00:01:27,133 Speaker 3: you get hung, drawn and courted. 27 00:01:27,173 --> 00:01:29,653 Speaker 4: But these were daffodils that were broken off and on 28 00:01:29,693 --> 00:01:33,093 Speaker 4: the ground. Gave them to the little kiddies. They go, thanks, chief. 29 00:01:33,413 --> 00:01:35,453 Speaker 4: Well Zeb didn't because he can't talk, he's one and 30 00:01:35,453 --> 00:01:41,493 Speaker 4: a half. Then this woman, what bowl, she Karen, comes. 31 00:01:41,293 --> 00:01:46,133 Speaker 3: Up and she remonstrates and says, don't you give those 32 00:01:46,213 --> 00:01:49,813 Speaker 3: children like full noise, really saying that to you? To 33 00:01:49,853 --> 00:01:54,373 Speaker 3: me right? And I said, ah a, we didn't pick them, right, 34 00:01:54,893 --> 00:01:56,253 Speaker 3: So were you listening to the radio on Friday? 35 00:01:56,333 --> 00:01:57,093 Speaker 5: Lady? 36 00:01:57,933 --> 00:02:00,333 Speaker 3: We didn't pick them on the ground. And then my 37 00:02:00,453 --> 00:02:02,933 Speaker 3: daughters arcd up a bit and they said, hey, excuse me, 38 00:02:03,053 --> 00:02:05,293 Speaker 3: we didn't pick these, and she would not look back up. 39 00:02:05,773 --> 00:02:09,973 Speaker 3: She was just like and then afterward said we didn't 40 00:02:09,973 --> 00:02:12,973 Speaker 3: pick them. After my daughter had said, my children, I've 41 00:02:13,013 --> 00:02:14,773 Speaker 3: told them we don't pick they're not picked. 42 00:02:15,333 --> 00:02:15,733 Speaker 2: Let it go. 43 00:02:15,853 --> 00:02:16,893 Speaker 4: They were lying on the ground. 44 00:02:16,973 --> 00:02:18,733 Speaker 3: She goes up to Zib who's one and a half 45 00:02:18,773 --> 00:02:21,013 Speaker 3: and says, now, don't you pick those flowers and points 46 00:02:21,013 --> 00:02:22,973 Speaker 3: of finger at this guy? She what, and he's one 47 00:02:22,973 --> 00:02:26,933 Speaker 3: and a half and there is old duck, old duck. Seriously, 48 00:02:27,093 --> 00:02:28,853 Speaker 3: I mean, you don't. They just don't do that. 49 00:02:29,373 --> 00:02:31,453 Speaker 4: Well, no, so what did you do to that? Because 50 00:02:31,573 --> 00:02:34,053 Speaker 4: I would have aked up as the grand parent. 51 00:02:34,253 --> 00:02:35,933 Speaker 3: I just walked away because I thought, well, it's like 52 00:02:36,013 --> 00:02:38,053 Speaker 3: road rage, this is staff rage, and I didn't want 53 00:02:38,053 --> 00:02:40,213 Speaker 3: to be a part of it, or you should. 54 00:02:40,333 --> 00:02:41,093 Speaker 4: You should have wrung me. 55 00:02:41,933 --> 00:02:45,533 Speaker 3: But my kids sorted. I just like, I get that 56 00:02:45,573 --> 00:02:47,293 Speaker 3: there are people that go you don't pick deviitils, and 57 00:02:47,293 --> 00:02:49,773 Speaker 3: there's appropriate ways to speak the man. It was just 58 00:02:50,013 --> 00:02:51,813 Speaker 3: it was just so ironic that we were talking about 59 00:02:51,813 --> 00:02:54,693 Speaker 3: it on Friday and then it happened and I didn't 60 00:02:54,733 --> 00:02:55,133 Speaker 3: pick them. 61 00:02:56,253 --> 00:03:00,173 Speaker 4: Don't go out in the woods today. 62 00:03:00,373 --> 00:03:02,773 Speaker 3: You want to come to Christ's folks a beautiful city, 63 00:03:02,813 --> 00:03:05,733 Speaker 3: but don't touch the damvidils And whatever you do, whatever 64 00:03:05,813 --> 00:03:09,853 Speaker 3: you do, you can ram raid, whatever you like, just 65 00:03:09,893 --> 00:03:12,133 Speaker 3: don't peck a Davidal The. 66 00:03:12,173 --> 00:03:16,333 Speaker 1: Highlight Reel with Simon Barnard and James Daniels news Talk said, be. 67 00:03:16,733 --> 00:03:19,453 Speaker 3: This is really quite alarming if we know how important 68 00:03:19,533 --> 00:03:22,133 Speaker 3: education is. We know it is. You know, the future 69 00:03:22,133 --> 00:03:25,373 Speaker 3: of our children depends on them being well educated. Problem is, 70 00:03:26,013 --> 00:03:28,493 Speaker 3: there's a conference underway and Wellington at the moment where 71 00:03:28,613 --> 00:03:31,493 Speaker 3: education bodies are trying to discuss how we get people 72 00:03:31,573 --> 00:03:34,453 Speaker 3: interested in the profession of teaching, and there's just this 73 00:03:34,533 --> 00:03:36,253 Speaker 3: critical shortage at the moment. How do you do that? 74 00:03:36,413 --> 00:03:40,173 Speaker 4: And there are fewer and fewer students enrolling to become teachers. 75 00:03:40,533 --> 00:03:43,293 Speaker 3: Hello, Holly, Hi, how are you great? Thank you very much? 76 00:03:43,333 --> 00:03:44,053 Speaker 3: Are you a teacher? 77 00:03:44,133 --> 00:03:47,573 Speaker 6: Yes, I've taught an early childhood, mainstream education, and I 78 00:03:47,653 --> 00:03:49,133 Speaker 6: am now working in special education. 79 00:03:49,493 --> 00:03:52,413 Speaker 3: All right, you've got the whole gamut there. Well, let 80 00:03:52,493 --> 00:03:54,213 Speaker 3: me ask you this question from the get go. What 81 00:03:54,333 --> 00:03:55,533 Speaker 3: got you into teaching? 82 00:03:56,253 --> 00:03:58,413 Speaker 6: I wanted to teach since I was just a little girl. 83 00:03:58,453 --> 00:04:01,413 Speaker 6: I remember going to my primary school and having the 84 00:04:01,453 --> 00:04:04,373 Speaker 6: most amazing teachers and an amazing principle and thinking, yep, 85 00:04:04,693 --> 00:04:07,533 Speaker 6: I want to teach. And I just left straight from 86 00:04:07,533 --> 00:04:09,853 Speaker 6: school out the bat. I was straight to UNI thirty 87 00:04:09,853 --> 00:04:12,693 Speaker 6: six now and I've been teaching in classrooms full in 88 00:04:12,733 --> 00:04:13,893 Speaker 6: part times since I was eighteen. 89 00:04:14,093 --> 00:04:15,373 Speaker 3: Is it what you thought it would be. 90 00:04:15,813 --> 00:04:20,573 Speaker 6: No. Why I think one of the biggest issues in 91 00:04:20,613 --> 00:04:25,213 Speaker 6: classroom is for teachers and attracting people to the profession, 92 00:04:25,333 --> 00:04:28,213 Speaker 6: is that classrooms come with kids who have a lot 93 00:04:28,213 --> 00:04:31,293 Speaker 6: of baggage, They have a lot of trauma. You get 94 00:04:31,733 --> 00:04:35,373 Speaker 6: neurodiverse children and your classrooms who are funded and get help. 95 00:04:36,253 --> 00:04:38,373 Speaker 6: But a lot of my classes, especially when I worked 96 00:04:38,413 --> 00:04:41,813 Speaker 6: in Low gesl Areas and SR ten schools too as well, 97 00:04:41,933 --> 00:04:43,733 Speaker 6: I had a lot of trauma kids who've got no help. 98 00:04:44,133 --> 00:04:46,613 Speaker 6: So as a teacher, there's not a lot of time 99 00:04:46,653 --> 00:04:49,533 Speaker 6: to teach when you're managing all those behaviors. You're trying 100 00:04:49,533 --> 00:04:52,333 Speaker 6: to help these children, to build a relationship, to connect 101 00:04:52,333 --> 00:04:55,373 Speaker 6: with them, and then there's really nothing left in your tank, 102 00:04:56,173 --> 00:04:57,573 Speaker 6: you know, to carry on with for the rest of 103 00:04:57,573 --> 00:04:57,893 Speaker 6: the day. 104 00:04:57,973 --> 00:05:01,013 Speaker 4: It sounds like really hard work, Hollies. So do you 105 00:05:01,693 --> 00:05:03,533 Speaker 4: regret making this call? 106 00:05:04,173 --> 00:05:06,173 Speaker 6: No, not for a minute. I love children and I 107 00:05:06,213 --> 00:05:08,973 Speaker 6: love teaching, and I know that I make a difference. 108 00:05:09,093 --> 00:05:11,933 Speaker 6: I burn myself into the ground most days. I work 109 00:05:11,933 --> 00:05:13,973 Speaker 6: in special education now, where I have a class of 110 00:05:14,053 --> 00:05:17,493 Speaker 6: six and I have a team of tas, and special 111 00:05:17,653 --> 00:05:21,173 Speaker 6: education is a whole nother ballgame. But you know, when 112 00:05:21,173 --> 00:05:23,693 Speaker 6: those children make both small strives or you know, they 113 00:05:23,693 --> 00:05:26,653 Speaker 6: hold your hand, or they trust you, or you build 114 00:05:26,773 --> 00:05:29,013 Speaker 6: enough of a relationship with them to be able to 115 00:05:29,013 --> 00:05:31,773 Speaker 6: get them to want to write their name, or to 116 00:05:31,813 --> 00:05:33,853 Speaker 6: get them to want to read. Those are the small 117 00:05:33,853 --> 00:05:35,373 Speaker 6: things you've got to take away from it. And I 118 00:05:35,373 --> 00:05:37,733 Speaker 6: think another one of the problems to is the attitude 119 00:05:37,773 --> 00:05:40,693 Speaker 6: that some teachers have with an education. You know, we 120 00:05:40,813 --> 00:05:43,893 Speaker 6: have enough problem outside of education with people bagging us 121 00:05:43,973 --> 00:05:45,933 Speaker 6: and saying, oh, we get a holidays and you know, 122 00:05:46,013 --> 00:05:48,453 Speaker 6: bringing us down, but there are teachers within the profession 123 00:05:48,733 --> 00:05:51,493 Speaker 6: who treat it the same. And we really need to 124 00:05:51,493 --> 00:05:53,853 Speaker 6: be able to promote ourselves because we're not getting the 125 00:05:53,853 --> 00:05:56,013 Speaker 6: promotion from the community, we're not getting the promotion from 126 00:05:56,053 --> 00:05:58,413 Speaker 6: the Ministry of Education. We have to be the ones 127 00:05:58,453 --> 00:06:00,653 Speaker 6: out there saying, you know, this is a worthwhile profession. 128 00:06:01,053 --> 00:06:03,813 Speaker 6: Use it is hard, know that money's not great, you know, 129 00:06:03,893 --> 00:06:06,053 Speaker 6: like you are going to struggle and you are going 130 00:06:06,093 --> 00:06:07,933 Speaker 6: to be but it's worth it at the end of 131 00:06:07,933 --> 00:06:09,613 Speaker 6: the day. And I don't think we have enough of 132 00:06:09,693 --> 00:06:12,333 Speaker 6: that within the educating community. We need to be out there, 133 00:06:12,413 --> 00:06:14,253 Speaker 6: you know, sort of promoting ourselves. 134 00:06:14,493 --> 00:06:16,373 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that's going to leave you with what 135 00:06:16,493 --> 00:06:19,333 Speaker 3: would use you. I'll leave you with one text. You know, 136 00:06:19,413 --> 00:06:21,413 Speaker 3: this is the thing that annoys me. One hundred and 137 00:06:21,413 --> 00:06:24,813 Speaker 3: three thousand dollars, twelve weeks holiday year, a few short days, 138 00:06:24,853 --> 00:06:25,653 Speaker 3: teacher only days. 139 00:06:25,733 --> 00:06:29,453 Speaker 6: Not bad, really, I don't earn one hundred and three 140 00:06:29,453 --> 00:06:31,613 Speaker 6: thousand dollars a year. Come and do my job. Spend 141 00:06:31,653 --> 00:06:33,853 Speaker 6: a day with me, and then you'll understand. I don't 142 00:06:33,933 --> 00:06:36,093 Speaker 6: even I'm not going to tell you what I am, 143 00:06:36,173 --> 00:06:37,293 Speaker 6: but it's nowhere near that much. 144 00:06:37,733 --> 00:06:40,973 Speaker 3: Thank you, Holly very much for your thoughts. The highlight reel, 145 00:06:41,493 --> 00:06:45,053 Speaker 3: we're talking about the prevalence of the gray divorce. In 146 00:06:45,093 --> 00:06:47,373 Speaker 3: the last ten years, it's shot up nearly ten percent. 147 00:06:48,293 --> 00:06:52,173 Speaker 3: Forty percent foot yeah, forty forty percent of people are 148 00:06:52,173 --> 00:06:55,253 Speaker 3: getting divorced in the fifty plus range, so they call 149 00:06:55,293 --> 00:06:57,053 Speaker 3: it the gray divorce. We're sort of asking is it 150 00:06:57,133 --> 00:06:59,613 Speaker 3: worth it? Like have you done it? And go, oh 151 00:06:59,653 --> 00:07:01,973 Speaker 3: my gosh, what have I done? Or are you thinking 152 00:07:02,053 --> 00:07:04,333 Speaker 3: of quitting it? And why when you've been through all 153 00:07:04,333 --> 00:07:07,293 Speaker 3: the hard part of life? Hi am oh hi. 154 00:07:08,133 --> 00:07:10,853 Speaker 7: I was married for forty years. 155 00:07:10,973 --> 00:07:14,893 Speaker 8: I had four adult children, and my husband basically traded 156 00:07:14,933 --> 00:07:18,653 Speaker 8: me in for a younger version. I found it just 157 00:07:19,133 --> 00:07:23,253 Speaker 8: devastating and a real trauma, and. 158 00:07:23,253 --> 00:07:27,493 Speaker 7: I wondered, you know, my future was unccertain because I 159 00:07:27,653 --> 00:07:30,333 Speaker 7: was just an office administrator. I didn't earn heaps of money, 160 00:07:30,333 --> 00:07:31,733 Speaker 7: so financially as well. 161 00:07:31,613 --> 00:07:34,773 Speaker 8: As everything else, that was really really difficult. 162 00:07:36,413 --> 00:07:40,933 Speaker 7: I'm sure he had male menopause. Actually, yeah, not happy 163 00:07:40,973 --> 00:07:43,013 Speaker 7: with what had happened to his life in the past 164 00:07:43,053 --> 00:07:44,693 Speaker 7: and just what I thought the grass was. 165 00:07:44,653 --> 00:07:47,013 Speaker 2: Greener elsewhere do you have children? 166 00:07:47,373 --> 00:07:50,493 Speaker 7: Four adult children and now eleven grandchildren. 167 00:07:50,973 --> 00:07:54,053 Speaker 4: What was their reaction, Well, it was. 168 00:07:54,013 --> 00:07:59,213 Speaker 7: Pretty shocking because he betrayed me over three years. He 169 00:07:59,333 --> 00:08:02,893 Speaker 7: kind of held me in limbo by suggesting we might 170 00:08:02,933 --> 00:08:06,213 Speaker 7: get back together again, which was probably the cruelest part 171 00:08:06,253 --> 00:08:10,733 Speaker 7: of the whole situation. So they didn't talk to him 172 00:08:10,733 --> 00:08:12,653 Speaker 7: for a couple of years. Also of them didn't talk 173 00:08:12,693 --> 00:08:13,973 Speaker 7: to him for a couple of years. 174 00:08:14,133 --> 00:08:16,253 Speaker 4: This may be awkward for you, Anne, and don't answer 175 00:08:16,333 --> 00:08:18,893 Speaker 4: if it is too awkward. But is he still with 176 00:08:19,013 --> 00:08:20,453 Speaker 4: the woman that he left you for? 177 00:08:21,133 --> 00:08:24,613 Speaker 7: Yes he is, he is, but he doesn't love in 178 00:08:24,653 --> 00:08:25,413 Speaker 7: the city. 179 00:08:25,333 --> 00:08:26,733 Speaker 8: That I live any longer. 180 00:08:27,413 --> 00:08:31,333 Speaker 7: But I have to say, I just want to tell 181 00:08:31,373 --> 00:08:35,333 Speaker 7: you that I joined a group called Bodo Superresident Divorced 182 00:08:35,373 --> 00:08:40,453 Speaker 7: Support Group. They are unique to Wellington, although there is 183 00:08:40,693 --> 00:08:44,893 Speaker 7: another similar one in Cavity. And I would say they 184 00:08:45,093 --> 00:08:51,853 Speaker 7: saved me really, because you know they're a grief program basically. 185 00:08:51,933 --> 00:08:54,053 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And I get that, Anne, I mean I 186 00:08:54,093 --> 00:08:56,733 Speaker 3: get that that you poor thing. Was the woman that 187 00:08:56,773 --> 00:08:59,413 Speaker 3: your husband left you for? Was she a younger woman? 188 00:08:59,973 --> 00:09:02,493 Speaker 7: Yeah, she was ten years younger and she worked in 189 00:09:02,573 --> 00:09:04,573 Speaker 7: his office, so you know he found the love of 190 00:09:04,613 --> 00:09:05,773 Speaker 7: his life in his office. 191 00:09:05,813 --> 00:09:06,893 Speaker 9: The usual story. 192 00:09:07,893 --> 00:09:09,973 Speaker 3: I mean, I can imagine for you, and I'm putting 193 00:09:09,973 --> 00:09:11,573 Speaker 3: words into your mouth here, but I would imagine the 194 00:09:11,653 --> 00:09:14,853 Speaker 3: blow to your self confidence, your self esteem must have 195 00:09:14,933 --> 00:09:16,933 Speaker 3: been immense. 196 00:09:16,693 --> 00:09:21,133 Speaker 7: Huge, absolutely huge. I think I cried for two years. 197 00:09:21,293 --> 00:09:22,013 Speaker 3: I'll bet you did. 198 00:09:22,133 --> 00:09:24,373 Speaker 7: And I do want to say this group. 199 00:09:24,453 --> 00:09:29,373 Speaker 8: What's it called again and widow Separated and divorced support group? 200 00:09:29,573 --> 00:09:31,493 Speaker 3: This is a very strong word, but I'm going to 201 00:09:31,613 --> 00:09:33,853 Speaker 3: use it. Do you hate your husband for what he did? 202 00:09:34,933 --> 00:09:35,693 Speaker 4: Not anymore? 203 00:09:35,733 --> 00:09:40,413 Speaker 7: I probably went through all those feelings. Now I'm very 204 00:09:40,453 --> 00:09:44,853 Speaker 7: happy on my own really. Yeah, I discovered my own 205 00:09:45,013 --> 00:09:48,093 Speaker 7: niche in my own life. I've gained a lot more 206 00:09:48,133 --> 00:09:51,933 Speaker 7: confidence since I did that course. I've got my own 207 00:09:52,093 --> 00:09:55,853 Speaker 7: voice now, So in a lot of ways, it's okay. 208 00:09:55,973 --> 00:10:01,053 Speaker 7: I mean, we have Christmas together with the kids and grandchildren, 209 00:10:01,213 --> 00:10:03,453 Speaker 7: so I have to do that for my kid's day. 210 00:10:03,933 --> 00:10:06,533 Speaker 3: And you're a very gutsy woman, a brave one, and 211 00:10:06,613 --> 00:10:08,373 Speaker 3: good on you, and I. 212 00:10:08,373 --> 00:10:10,053 Speaker 7: Must cover how strong I was. 213 00:10:10,333 --> 00:10:12,813 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, much respect to you. I can't imagine what 214 00:10:12,853 --> 00:10:15,373 Speaker 3: it would be like to have somebody leave me for 215 00:10:15,453 --> 00:10:17,933 Speaker 3: somebody else. That must be so destroying. So you are 216 00:10:17,973 --> 00:10:20,573 Speaker 3: a brave, courageous person. I sometimes actually have thought about 217 00:10:20,573 --> 00:10:22,973 Speaker 3: this in my situation. I think it's almost worse than 218 00:10:23,013 --> 00:10:25,293 Speaker 3: losing somebody, because my wife said that to me years ago, 219 00:10:25,293 --> 00:10:28,453 Speaker 3: and she said to me, you know, if somebody's unfaithful 220 00:10:28,453 --> 00:10:30,853 Speaker 3: to you, it's almost worse than death, because with death 221 00:10:30,933 --> 00:10:34,573 Speaker 3: they love you, but you can't have them. They've passed away. 222 00:10:34,653 --> 00:10:37,133 Speaker 3: But in a divorce or something like your situation, and 223 00:10:37,733 --> 00:10:39,773 Speaker 3: your husband he was still there, you were able to 224 00:10:39,773 --> 00:10:41,253 Speaker 3: have them, but he said I don't want you, and 225 00:10:41,293 --> 00:10:44,373 Speaker 3: that's that's just a crushing blow. So hearts go out 226 00:10:44,413 --> 00:10:45,653 Speaker 3: to you and it's the rejection. 227 00:10:46,013 --> 00:10:49,053 Speaker 7: Yeah, the rejection, and I set for free. Who was 228 00:10:49,133 --> 00:10:52,773 Speaker 7: the worrow? Once I said to your husband still loved 229 00:10:52,813 --> 00:10:55,173 Speaker 7: you when he died. It's what you were saying. 230 00:10:55,333 --> 00:10:57,013 Speaker 3: Thank you for calling in and thanks for being so 231 00:10:57,053 --> 00:10:57,853 Speaker 3: honest with your story. 232 00:10:57,893 --> 00:10:58,333 Speaker 4: Good luck. 233 00:10:58,773 --> 00:11:03,973 Speaker 1: The Highlight Reel with Science James. 234 00:11:04,013 --> 00:11:06,333 Speaker 2: The Highlight Reel with Science James. 235 00:11:07,093 --> 00:11:09,733 Speaker 3: Now you know I'm an animal guy. We've had in 236 00:11:09,733 --> 00:11:14,333 Speaker 3: our family. Yes, I reiterate. Two cats, two dogs, two rabbits, 237 00:11:14,373 --> 00:11:20,533 Speaker 3: and a chinchilla. My kids love animals, like the sort 238 00:11:20,613 --> 00:11:21,813 Speaker 3: of crazy cat ladies. 239 00:11:25,133 --> 00:11:27,133 Speaker 4: Four daughters, crazy cat ladies. 240 00:11:27,213 --> 00:11:31,333 Speaker 3: Good Lily's got she bought off Timu or something backpack 241 00:11:31,453 --> 00:11:33,893 Speaker 3: which is like an aeronautical backpack. It's got a clear 242 00:11:33,933 --> 00:11:36,493 Speaker 3: perspect screen at the back with holes in it, so 243 00:11:36,533 --> 00:11:38,893 Speaker 3: she puts the cat in the backpack when she goes 244 00:11:38,933 --> 00:11:43,013 Speaker 3: to town. I kid you not. The other day, we 245 00:11:43,093 --> 00:11:45,613 Speaker 3: all live in the same subdivision. I was driving home 246 00:11:45,653 --> 00:11:47,853 Speaker 3: from work without a word of a lie. I drive 247 00:11:47,893 --> 00:11:51,213 Speaker 3: into the subdivision. James and I live close together, and 248 00:11:51,333 --> 00:11:55,653 Speaker 3: I see three gorgeous women. It's my three daughters. Samantha's 249 00:11:55,693 --> 00:11:57,933 Speaker 3: pushing the pram with her new wee baby, our Jodi, 250 00:11:58,693 --> 00:12:01,293 Speaker 3: and she's got and then next to her is Sophie, 251 00:12:01,293 --> 00:12:04,373 Speaker 3: and Sophie's got zeb and the pram and mealer in 252 00:12:04,413 --> 00:12:06,573 Speaker 3: the pram and then Lily is beside them and she's 253 00:12:06,573 --> 00:12:08,533 Speaker 3: got a pram but she doesn't have any children who cats, 254 00:12:08,573 --> 00:12:12,413 Speaker 3: and how you see it? Promise she had the cat. 255 00:12:12,693 --> 00:12:15,973 Speaker 3: They had the kids exactly and the pro and I 256 00:12:16,053 --> 00:12:18,493 Speaker 3: drove past them and I couldn't I couldn't even wave. 257 00:12:18,853 --> 00:12:20,213 Speaker 3: I was like, I text them. 258 00:12:21,053 --> 00:12:22,053 Speaker 4: That wasn't me going. 259 00:12:22,613 --> 00:12:26,933 Speaker 3: You look like the nuttiest family in the neighborhood neighborhood 260 00:12:27,213 --> 00:12:30,973 Speaker 3: and I'm not your father, and I just, I mean, 261 00:12:31,013 --> 00:12:33,293 Speaker 3: Lily is just so nuts about this cat of hers. 262 00:12:33,293 --> 00:12:35,413 Speaker 3: It's it is a beautiful cat. It's impossibly beautiful. It's 263 00:12:35,413 --> 00:12:39,493 Speaker 3: one of those rag doll Oh, it's the most beautiful cat. 264 00:12:39,613 --> 00:12:40,773 Speaker 4: How much did you pay for it? 265 00:12:40,813 --> 00:12:43,773 Speaker 3: One thousand dollars? And thank you for saying that, because 266 00:12:43,813 --> 00:12:44,333 Speaker 3: I did pay. 267 00:12:44,533 --> 00:12:45,493 Speaker 4: I just knew you would have. 268 00:12:45,773 --> 00:12:48,013 Speaker 3: It was her birthday present. But I sort of was thinking, 269 00:12:48,053 --> 00:12:50,493 Speaker 3: you know, something from the two dollars shop, and we 270 00:12:50,613 --> 00:12:54,253 Speaker 3: got a thousand dollar cat. And this is the other 271 00:12:54,293 --> 00:12:57,253 Speaker 3: thing with it. It gets better. It's not allowed outside 272 00:12:57,533 --> 00:12:59,373 Speaker 3: because you can pick up all manner of I don't know, 273 00:12:59,413 --> 00:13:03,093 Speaker 3: stuff that those precious cats get because the princesses. So 274 00:13:03,133 --> 00:13:04,933 Speaker 3: you can't go where the common cats go, You've got 275 00:13:04,973 --> 00:13:06,813 Speaker 3: to go where precious cats go inside. 276 00:13:06,893 --> 00:13:07,813 Speaker 4: We've got one of them too. 277 00:13:07,893 --> 00:13:08,133 Speaker 2: Yeah. 278 00:13:08,213 --> 00:13:11,653 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a shorthaired oriental. I think it's called. 279 00:13:11,413 --> 00:13:13,253 Speaker 3: And it doesn't go outside. 280 00:13:13,013 --> 00:13:14,333 Speaker 4: Oh hardly. No. 281 00:13:14,653 --> 00:13:16,813 Speaker 3: I raise it because there's a story in the Herald 282 00:13:16,813 --> 00:13:19,053 Speaker 3: that popped up today written by Greg Bruce. It's an 283 00:13:19,053 --> 00:13:21,573 Speaker 3: opinion piece. They went to the SPCA, he and his 284 00:13:21,653 --> 00:13:23,973 Speaker 3: wife and they adopted a cat. The cat's gorgeous. They 285 00:13:23,973 --> 00:13:25,853 Speaker 3: love the cat. The cat's become part of the family. 286 00:13:26,053 --> 00:13:29,573 Speaker 3: Turns out the cat has a myriad of health issues, 287 00:13:29,613 --> 00:13:31,813 Speaker 3: not the least the cat's depressed. 288 00:13:33,733 --> 00:13:35,613 Speaker 4: How do they know cat's depressed? 289 00:13:35,853 --> 00:13:37,973 Speaker 3: I don't know. Won't make it's bed in the morning. 290 00:13:39,213 --> 00:13:42,773 Speaker 4: Vet vets are on a roll, you know. Hey, they 291 00:13:42,773 --> 00:13:44,973 Speaker 4: can say, oh, the cat's doing this or the cat's 292 00:13:45,013 --> 00:13:47,733 Speaker 4: not doing that, and we you know, you can't ask 293 00:13:47,773 --> 00:13:50,133 Speaker 4: the cat how are you feeling? The vet just says, 294 00:13:50,933 --> 00:13:54,093 Speaker 4: is suffering from anxiety. That'll be nine hundred bucks. You're 295 00:13:54,133 --> 00:13:56,973 Speaker 4: exactly right, that's what the cat's got. This, Greg Bruce 296 00:13:57,013 --> 00:14:02,413 Speaker 4: got The cat's got depression, depression and pathological anxiety. So 297 00:14:02,453 --> 00:14:05,493 Speaker 4: it's going to cost thousands of dollars. To get pheromone 298 00:14:05,493 --> 00:14:10,053 Speaker 4: diffuses food therapy and antidepressants therapy. 299 00:14:10,373 --> 00:14:13,293 Speaker 1: The best moment from the week. This is the Highlight 300 00:14:13,373 --> 00:14:17,093 Speaker 1: Reel with Simon Barnett and James Daniels, powered by Newstalk 301 00:14:17,173 --> 00:14:17,693 Speaker 1: z emb. 302 00:14:17,933 --> 00:14:20,853 Speaker 3: We're discussing gambling on the back of the story about 303 00:14:20,853 --> 00:14:23,893 Speaker 3: a guy who's very fit, active, former raugy player at 304 00:14:23,893 --> 00:14:25,893 Speaker 3: a very high level, came to New Zealand and no 305 00:14:26,013 --> 00:14:28,693 Speaker 3: sex with his family, got involved in gambling just from 306 00:14:28,773 --> 00:14:30,813 Speaker 3: one machine. He said he was never into gambling. He 307 00:14:30,813 --> 00:14:32,933 Speaker 3: put twenty bucks into a machine on a pokey. It 308 00:14:33,013 --> 00:14:36,373 Speaker 3: paid out with his second spin twenty six five hundred dollars. 309 00:14:36,693 --> 00:14:39,173 Speaker 3: From that moment, he said he was hooked and he 310 00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:41,853 Speaker 3: lost absolutely everything. His wife and his kids left him, 311 00:14:41,893 --> 00:14:44,293 Speaker 3: lost his house, lost his job, and now he's trying 312 00:14:44,293 --> 00:14:46,253 Speaker 3: to rebuild his life. And so we were asking about 313 00:14:46,253 --> 00:14:48,413 Speaker 3: the psychology of that. How does that happen to you? 314 00:14:49,093 --> 00:14:51,373 Speaker 3: What happens when you play the game? Where does the 315 00:14:51,413 --> 00:14:53,293 Speaker 3: stimulation come from? Is it just the buzz that you 316 00:14:53,333 --> 00:14:55,093 Speaker 3: may be around the corner from the next big win. 317 00:14:55,773 --> 00:14:58,933 Speaker 10: Hello Berry Ohio, I just give you a classic example 318 00:14:58,933 --> 00:15:02,453 Speaker 10: of a compulsive gambler that I sat and watched over 319 00:15:02,453 --> 00:15:05,293 Speaker 10: a number of hours. Was this poor old lady. I'll 320 00:15:05,413 --> 00:15:08,213 Speaker 10: say poor old lady because she was poor when she finished, 321 00:15:08,213 --> 00:15:11,253 Speaker 10: but she was in the seventies. And we sat and 322 00:15:11,293 --> 00:15:13,813 Speaker 10: watched her, and she was going backwards and forwards to 323 00:15:13,853 --> 00:15:16,853 Speaker 10: the bar, getting twenty forty here and there, and going 324 00:15:16,853 --> 00:15:19,573 Speaker 10: and putting it back into the pokey. And the pogies 325 00:15:19,573 --> 00:15:21,173 Speaker 10: are set up to give you a week bit of 326 00:15:21,173 --> 00:15:24,893 Speaker 10: a feed, just enough to keep you interested. She went 327 00:15:24,973 --> 00:15:29,053 Speaker 10: up and her withdrawals were increasing and increasing, and sold 328 00:15:29,133 --> 00:15:31,453 Speaker 10: their losses, and in the end she went up and 329 00:15:31,773 --> 00:15:33,773 Speaker 10: threwout six hundred And how do I know that. I 330 00:15:33,813 --> 00:15:36,733 Speaker 10: went and asked the barman, Oh my god, and she 331 00:15:36,853 --> 00:15:40,013 Speaker 10: put that whole lot through and she walked out crying 332 00:15:40,093 --> 00:15:42,493 Speaker 10: because that was her rent money, your food money. And 333 00:15:42,933 --> 00:15:45,693 Speaker 10: I saw, Christ, you know, something's got to be done there. 334 00:15:45,733 --> 00:15:47,653 Speaker 10: While I was out wild, and I walked up to 335 00:15:47,693 --> 00:15:50,653 Speaker 10: that particular machine and pulled it over and put my 336 00:15:50,693 --> 00:15:53,053 Speaker 10: whole nail boots through the glass. And I was barred 337 00:15:53,253 --> 00:15:54,653 Speaker 10: instantly for doing that. 338 00:15:55,453 --> 00:15:56,533 Speaker 3: I'm not surprised. 339 00:15:56,773 --> 00:16:00,053 Speaker 10: It's got to stop, because these barmen they just let 340 00:16:00,093 --> 00:16:03,973 Speaker 10: it carry on, and they know that these people spending 341 00:16:03,973 --> 00:16:06,453 Speaker 10: their pension and once that's gone, I've got no and 342 00:16:06,653 --> 00:16:07,453 Speaker 10: they've got nothing. 343 00:16:07,893 --> 00:16:12,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a salient point. Barrye, thank you for coin. Hello. 344 00:16:12,413 --> 00:16:13,653 Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it gets worse. 345 00:16:14,733 --> 00:16:15,093 Speaker 2: Guys. 346 00:16:15,613 --> 00:16:18,493 Speaker 11: My son's just come back from university and you know 347 00:16:18,573 --> 00:16:21,973 Speaker 11: all of his mates have piled in from Dunedin and 348 00:16:22,053 --> 00:16:25,973 Speaker 11: christ Church and Wellington. And in a flatting situation, picture 349 00:16:26,013 --> 00:16:28,933 Speaker 11: this your audio pizza and in your box of beers, 350 00:16:28,973 --> 00:16:31,053 Speaker 11: and you have your sixty inch TV in the middle 351 00:16:31,093 --> 00:16:33,333 Speaker 11: of the living room, and these boys will bring up 352 00:16:33,373 --> 00:16:37,693 Speaker 11: their various online Poky accounts. One particular flat six boys. 353 00:16:37,693 --> 00:16:39,653 Speaker 11: The flats down fifty grand this year. 354 00:16:40,133 --> 00:16:41,973 Speaker 3: What this is a student? 355 00:16:42,053 --> 00:16:43,653 Speaker 4: Yeah, Uni student. 356 00:16:43,493 --> 00:16:46,813 Speaker 11: Pack of students, six students community. They're down fifty grand 357 00:16:46,853 --> 00:16:47,253 Speaker 11: in total. 358 00:16:47,373 --> 00:16:48,093 Speaker 4: What are they betting on? 359 00:16:48,213 --> 00:16:51,413 Speaker 11: It's just just online flots online Pokey's and it's flat 360 00:16:51,453 --> 00:16:53,933 Speaker 11: after flat after flat after flat down there. 361 00:16:53,973 --> 00:16:56,253 Speaker 3: Is it going on their student loan? Can they do that? 362 00:16:56,413 --> 00:16:58,933 Speaker 11: You'd assume. So one lad's down nine grand, the other 363 00:16:58,973 --> 00:17:01,893 Speaker 11: one's down five and they're round sort of. And then 364 00:17:01,973 --> 00:17:04,093 Speaker 11: and then they can go online and ban themselves from 365 00:17:04,133 --> 00:17:07,373 Speaker 11: these websites so that they get ambal on. So you know, 366 00:17:07,733 --> 00:17:09,773 Speaker 11: a handful of them have now gone on and done that. 367 00:17:10,413 --> 00:17:13,173 Speaker 11: But you know that's crippling at eighteen nineteen and it's done, 368 00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:15,893 Speaker 11: and talking a little bit to them about it, it's 369 00:17:15,933 --> 00:17:17,533 Speaker 11: done out of a place of boredom. They're sort of 370 00:17:17,533 --> 00:17:19,493 Speaker 11: sitting around, not much to do, like we might have 371 00:17:19,533 --> 00:17:23,693 Speaker 11: sat around and played cards. Yeah, they just it's someone's 372 00:17:23,693 --> 00:17:25,973 Speaker 11: turn that night to be the person that's going to 373 00:17:25,973 --> 00:17:28,973 Speaker 11: spin their account, and they all sit around and live 374 00:17:29,013 --> 00:17:30,813 Speaker 11: the ups and downs for that guy for the night 375 00:17:30,893 --> 00:17:33,133 Speaker 11: he loses. Next night someone else loads their account. 376 00:17:33,213 --> 00:17:35,453 Speaker 3: Yeah, what a bizarre story. 377 00:17:35,213 --> 00:17:36,973 Speaker 11: Online gambling in student flat. 378 00:17:37,053 --> 00:17:39,693 Speaker 3: That is terrifying, terrifying, Thank you very much. 379 00:17:40,013 --> 00:17:41,293 Speaker 2: Got highlight reel o. 380 00:17:41,373 --> 00:17:43,933 Speaker 3: The days of the Family GP over this text Test 381 00:17:43,973 --> 00:17:46,213 Speaker 3: says they're well and truly over. We couldn't get into 382 00:17:46,293 --> 00:17:48,453 Speaker 3: our family GP, even though we'd been seeing them for 383 00:17:48,453 --> 00:17:51,693 Speaker 3: twenty five years. It was always just so busy. So 384 00:17:51,773 --> 00:17:53,813 Speaker 3: it's gone. Now we just go to Randoms when they 385 00:17:53,813 --> 00:17:56,493 Speaker 3: can take us. Tony says, I've been seeing the same 386 00:17:56,573 --> 00:17:59,733 Speaker 3: GP for forty years. Way back he delivered our three children. 387 00:17:59,813 --> 00:18:04,093 Speaker 3: A family GP is critical eron Now your husband's a GPREC. 388 00:18:05,493 --> 00:18:07,773 Speaker 9: So we're living in breathing it. I work in a 389 00:18:07,893 --> 00:18:14,933 Speaker 9: GP practice myself, and I think that claim that the 390 00:18:15,053 --> 00:18:19,573 Speaker 9: family GP is dead, I think it's it's pretty on mark, 391 00:18:19,733 --> 00:18:21,973 Speaker 9: but I think there's still hope. 392 00:18:22,253 --> 00:18:23,973 Speaker 3: Why is the family GP dead. 393 00:18:24,093 --> 00:18:27,813 Speaker 9: It is a lack of resources. We have growing communities 394 00:18:28,173 --> 00:18:32,573 Speaker 9: and we have also growing health conditions. People are living longer, 395 00:18:32,973 --> 00:18:36,693 Speaker 9: people are requiring more. There's just more to do, more vaccinations, 396 00:18:36,693 --> 00:18:38,973 Speaker 9: to offer, you know, more preventive care. 397 00:18:39,093 --> 00:18:44,733 Speaker 3: So so it's as simple as basically overworked understaff. 398 00:18:44,733 --> 00:18:47,013 Speaker 9: You could absolutely love to go back to being able 399 00:18:47,013 --> 00:18:50,213 Speaker 9: to just seeing their own patience. And it still happens. 400 00:18:50,253 --> 00:18:52,893 Speaker 9: Don't get me wrong, it still happens. Largely if you 401 00:18:52,973 --> 00:18:55,093 Speaker 9: come in with you know, an issue that can be 402 00:18:55,133 --> 00:18:57,853 Speaker 9: dealt with by a nurse or a long term conditions 403 00:18:57,933 --> 00:19:01,573 Speaker 9: nurse or even a healthcare assistance that will happen. But 404 00:19:01,613 --> 00:19:04,093 Speaker 9: the GP is always reading the notes. They're still seeing 405 00:19:04,133 --> 00:19:06,013 Speaker 9: what is happening along the way, so you may not 406 00:19:06,053 --> 00:19:09,053 Speaker 9: see it, but they are still your family GP. And 407 00:19:09,133 --> 00:19:11,973 Speaker 9: if you are proactive, then you make an appointment in advance, 408 00:19:12,013 --> 00:19:14,013 Speaker 9: like say you have ten different medications or so you 409 00:19:14,053 --> 00:19:16,973 Speaker 9: have asthma diabetes, you need to be proactive and make 410 00:19:17,053 --> 00:19:19,733 Speaker 9: those appointments in advance that you see your own GP, 411 00:19:20,253 --> 00:19:22,733 Speaker 9: because the problem is people are coming in with semi 412 00:19:22,853 --> 00:19:25,133 Speaker 9: urgent issues and they expect to see their GP and 413 00:19:25,173 --> 00:19:27,213 Speaker 9: that's not going to happen. Then that may be dealt 414 00:19:27,253 --> 00:19:30,093 Speaker 9: with by whoever's in the urgent care dropping section of 415 00:19:30,133 --> 00:19:32,253 Speaker 9: their GP practice, but it's not to say that your 416 00:19:32,693 --> 00:19:35,013 Speaker 9: own GP doesn't read about that. Then they're looking through 417 00:19:35,013 --> 00:19:38,973 Speaker 9: their inboxes. So it's still there. It's definitely not what 418 00:19:39,053 --> 00:19:41,853 Speaker 9: it was, But I still think it's worth having a 419 00:19:41,893 --> 00:19:45,173 Speaker 9: GP and calling them your family GP because they do 420 00:19:45,253 --> 00:19:47,693 Speaker 9: still care. They're trying, they're just waiting for more GPS 421 00:19:47,733 --> 00:19:49,933 Speaker 9: and they're practice. It is a really tough job and 422 00:19:49,973 --> 00:19:51,773 Speaker 9: there's a lot of GP burner out there. 423 00:19:51,853 --> 00:19:52,533 Speaker 1: It is huge. 424 00:19:52,613 --> 00:19:55,453 Speaker 9: It has been in the media and it is due 425 00:19:55,453 --> 00:19:56,173 Speaker 9: to resources. 426 00:19:56,573 --> 00:19:59,293 Speaker 3: You know, they're not making it up, are they? 427 00:20:01,373 --> 00:20:03,533 Speaker 2: Chats? Laughs, and the best calls. 428 00:20:03,933 --> 00:20:06,653 Speaker 1: This is the highlight reel with Simon bar On It 429 00:20:06,693 --> 00:20:09,373 Speaker 1: and James Daniels powered Bundy's talk Sai'd be. 430 00:20:09,533 --> 00:20:12,693 Speaker 3: So this couple, young couple buy a house. In the 431 00:20:12,733 --> 00:20:15,173 Speaker 3: house and the roof cavity, they discover two hundred and 432 00:20:15,173 --> 00:20:17,773 Speaker 3: thirty two thousand dollars hidden in the roof space. They 433 00:20:17,853 --> 00:20:20,413 Speaker 3: reported to the police because it's like a bit unusual. 434 00:20:20,773 --> 00:20:24,413 Speaker 3: The police think, I think, The police say, I quote, 435 00:20:24,453 --> 00:20:27,253 Speaker 3: the money is probably tainted as the proceeds of a 436 00:20:27,253 --> 00:20:32,333 Speaker 3: criminal activity, most likely drug dealing. So they've applied for 437 00:20:32,373 --> 00:20:34,733 Speaker 3: the money to be seized and handed over to the crown. 438 00:20:34,893 --> 00:20:37,173 Speaker 3: As happens with the process the police, the police have 439 00:20:38,013 --> 00:20:41,333 Speaker 3: the couple say, hey, we're not the criminals. We didn't 440 00:20:41,373 --> 00:20:43,573 Speaker 3: know when we bought the house that the money was 441 00:20:43,573 --> 00:20:47,133 Speaker 3: in there, so kind of fined as keepers. Yes, So 442 00:20:47,533 --> 00:20:51,813 Speaker 3: that begs the question, what's your threshold for handing money? 443 00:20:51,813 --> 00:20:53,413 Speaker 3: And I mean I'd probably hand in two hundred and 444 00:20:53,453 --> 00:20:56,093 Speaker 3: thirty two thousand dollars as well, because you'd know that, 445 00:20:56,133 --> 00:20:57,893 Speaker 3: you know, you might be of a pillow put over 446 00:20:57,893 --> 00:21:01,533 Speaker 3: your head at night. Well, what's your limit? Like if 447 00:21:01,573 --> 00:21:03,653 Speaker 3: you found a twenty dollars note on the ground, would 448 00:21:03,693 --> 00:21:04,853 Speaker 3: you hand that to the police. 449 00:21:04,933 --> 00:21:07,293 Speaker 4: Well, I'd look around to see if there's anyone around 450 00:21:07,293 --> 00:21:08,453 Speaker 4: that possibly had dropped it. 451 00:21:08,613 --> 00:21:11,453 Speaker 3: Oh, we all do that? Would you handed into the police? 452 00:21:11,773 --> 00:21:12,093 Speaker 5: Oh? 453 00:21:12,173 --> 00:21:13,533 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no. 454 00:21:13,733 --> 00:21:15,333 Speaker 3: Fifty no. 455 00:21:16,853 --> 00:21:25,773 Speaker 4: Hundy ummm, possibly a hundi. Possibly depends on the circumstances, 456 00:21:25,813 --> 00:21:28,413 Speaker 4: like who's around at the time you know. 457 00:21:30,693 --> 00:21:34,053 Speaker 3: Who's around. In other words, if you've seen so, that's 458 00:21:34,053 --> 00:21:35,853 Speaker 3: sort of like situational ethics. 459 00:21:36,173 --> 00:21:38,333 Speaker 4: But mind you, I haven't actually had that happen to 460 00:21:38,333 --> 00:21:39,413 Speaker 4: be honest, have you. 461 00:21:40,533 --> 00:21:42,213 Speaker 3: I've found a twenty dollars note and I've kept that. 462 00:21:42,533 --> 00:21:44,093 Speaker 3: I would keep one hundred dollars. I wouldn't go to 463 00:21:44,133 --> 00:21:46,213 Speaker 3: the police for that. I reckon no, because I reckon 464 00:21:46,213 --> 00:21:49,733 Speaker 3: the police would look just sideways again, like, yeah, we've 465 00:21:49,733 --> 00:21:51,693 Speaker 3: got bigger fish to fry than your hundred bucks. 466 00:21:51,693 --> 00:21:53,773 Speaker 4: All right, Well, if you'll do that, I'll do that 467 00:21:54,373 --> 00:21:59,613 Speaker 4: because I'll just say, simon, did it highlights Thursday? 468 00:21:59,613 --> 00:22:05,773 Speaker 3: I haven't heard that phrase for a long time. Thirsty Thursday? Man, right, Wednesday? 469 00:22:05,813 --> 00:22:10,333 Speaker 4: Peak of the week, Thursday, Thirsty Thursday, old school fry 470 00:22:10,453 --> 00:22:11,933 Speaker 4: yay and all that stuff. 471 00:22:11,973 --> 00:22:14,133 Speaker 3: Did you used to indulge in thirsty Thursday? Was it 472 00:22:14,173 --> 00:22:14,733 Speaker 3: something I used to do? 473 00:22:14,813 --> 00:22:15,613 Speaker 4: Hell to the year? 474 00:22:15,813 --> 00:22:16,133 Speaker 3: Did you? 475 00:22:16,293 --> 00:22:16,453 Speaker 2: Oh? 476 00:22:16,573 --> 00:22:19,413 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a big night. And I think it 477 00:22:19,453 --> 00:22:23,013 Speaker 4: came out of it being payday for a lot of yeah, right, 478 00:22:23,093 --> 00:22:25,253 Speaker 4: and so they'd go to the pub straight after they 479 00:22:25,333 --> 00:22:26,693 Speaker 4: got their pay back. 480 00:22:26,693 --> 00:22:28,773 Speaker 3: In the days when you got the cash in hand, 481 00:22:29,213 --> 00:22:30,973 Speaker 3: did you get it in hand like an envelope. 482 00:22:31,053 --> 00:22:34,613 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well yeah did you not? How did you 483 00:22:34,613 --> 00:22:37,173 Speaker 4: get paid? Oh you're a bit younger, Yeah yeah, you 484 00:22:37,253 --> 00:22:40,933 Speaker 4: got a slip. Say well some businesses and probably some 485 00:22:41,133 --> 00:22:43,213 Speaker 4: businesses still paying cash. I imagine. 486 00:22:43,453 --> 00:22:46,613 Speaker 3: I can still remember my first gig. I think Isaaca 487 00:22:46,693 --> 00:22:49,173 Speaker 3: Debt with Ready in New Zealand back in the day. 488 00:22:49,613 --> 00:22:51,453 Speaker 3: You were the breakfast announcer on the Show's that then? 489 00:22:51,533 --> 00:22:52,773 Speaker 3: But do you know how much I got paid for 490 00:22:52,813 --> 00:22:55,453 Speaker 3: the year? Year was that? What year was? 491 00:22:55,533 --> 00:22:55,613 Speaker 1: Oh? 492 00:22:55,733 --> 00:22:58,293 Speaker 3: Gosh, well I started when I was seventeen. I'm fifty seven, 493 00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:00,213 Speaker 3: so forty years ago. Eighty four? 494 00:23:01,133 --> 00:23:01,413 Speaker 2: Was it? 495 00:23:02,053 --> 00:23:07,773 Speaker 3: Oh well, don't do the man now? Yeah? Right, you 496 00:23:07,813 --> 00:23:09,933 Speaker 3: know how much? I can remember how much you were 497 00:23:09,973 --> 00:23:14,053 Speaker 3: earning for the whole year? Yeah, seven six hundred dollars gross, yep, 498 00:23:14,293 --> 00:23:16,933 Speaker 3: that's what I got played seven six hundred yep, and 499 00:23:17,013 --> 00:23:20,253 Speaker 3: fifty bucks a week to rent. I was a macaroni 500 00:23:20,333 --> 00:23:21,613 Speaker 3: cheese guy. 501 00:23:21,853 --> 00:23:25,253 Speaker 4: I didn't have two minute noodles ended. They that's what 502 00:23:25,973 --> 00:23:26,373 Speaker 4: James is. 503 00:23:26,373 --> 00:23:29,293 Speaker 3: The breakfast announced to say he was earning a squallion dollars. 504 00:23:29,053 --> 00:23:32,253 Speaker 3: We used to talk about wasting it. He was too, 505 00:23:32,893 --> 00:23:35,413 Speaker 3: but somebody would say, hey, have you guys ever tried 506 00:23:35,453 --> 00:23:38,653 Speaker 3: mountain biking. Next day, James tunes up with a mountain bike. 507 00:23:39,093 --> 00:23:42,373 Speaker 3: Bread's baking, you man. Have you guys seen the BMW 508 00:23:42,493 --> 00:23:47,573 Speaker 3: I three three weeks later? James, you're exaggerate. I'm not. 509 00:23:48,013 --> 00:23:49,773 Speaker 4: I did, I did enjoy myself. 510 00:23:50,133 --> 00:23:54,933 Speaker 3: Have you guys ever grown marijuana? Next day? Do you 511 00:23:54,973 --> 00:23:57,613 Speaker 3: want to buy a BMW. 512 00:23:58,653 --> 00:24:01,613 Speaker 1: Bringing you the best of the week. You're listening to 513 00:24:01,653 --> 00:24:05,413 Speaker 1: the Highlight Reel with Simon Barnard and James Daniels powered 514 00:24:05,413 --> 00:24:07,653 Speaker 1: by news Talk said, should. 515 00:24:07,293 --> 00:24:10,253 Speaker 3: The white beat industry be more regulated? Like at the 516 00:24:10,333 --> 00:24:13,173 Speaker 3: moment there are people selling a kilo of white bait 517 00:24:13,573 --> 00:24:16,053 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty bucks a kilo, And there's ads 518 00:24:16,053 --> 00:24:19,293 Speaker 3: on Facebook, Maketplace and various other social pages where there's 519 00:24:19,333 --> 00:24:22,053 Speaker 3: just like bags of white bait stacked up. Someone's gone 520 00:24:22,093 --> 00:24:26,173 Speaker 3: and just basically harvested the river. So should it be 521 00:24:26,213 --> 00:24:27,813 Speaker 3: more regulated? Yeah, hello Craig. 522 00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:31,053 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm from the Bow of Bloody. And the main 523 00:24:31,093 --> 00:24:33,653 Speaker 5: thing about the white bait numbers is the set nets, 524 00:24:33,693 --> 00:24:36,213 Speaker 5: the long South and sop nets down here and are 525 00:24:36,293 --> 00:24:39,173 Speaker 5: up here from you guys. And they also have a 526 00:24:39,213 --> 00:24:41,613 Speaker 5: wing that they can set a wing off the side 527 00:24:41,653 --> 00:24:44,133 Speaker 5: of it because there's a certain size for your net 528 00:24:44,333 --> 00:24:47,853 Speaker 5: the entrance and they put another two meters off the side, 529 00:24:47,893 --> 00:24:52,053 Speaker 5: so they catch everything including our the little gha Alfred's 530 00:24:52,413 --> 00:24:57,213 Speaker 5: small tuna, eels and mullet. Everything goes in and it's 531 00:24:57,213 --> 00:25:00,373 Speaker 5: stuck in a he nugging type net, you know. Yeah, 532 00:25:00,413 --> 00:25:02,853 Speaker 5: so that's why we've got a band scoop net should 533 00:25:02,853 --> 00:25:04,973 Speaker 5: be the only way you're allowed to catch white bait, right, 534 00:25:05,053 --> 00:25:09,053 Speaker 5: white bait are actually they're all native trout symbols that 535 00:25:09,213 --> 00:25:12,093 Speaker 5: and they all go to a different habitat. Some the 536 00:25:12,413 --> 00:25:14,813 Speaker 5: unger stays down on the easter iron zone, you know, 537 00:25:14,893 --> 00:25:18,333 Speaker 5: they banded cockapoo, the short or longsaw cockapoos. They go 538 00:25:18,373 --> 00:25:20,173 Speaker 5: up further and they have their own different places they 539 00:25:20,213 --> 00:25:23,253 Speaker 5: swim to. Some go to the lakes up you know, 540 00:25:23,373 --> 00:25:26,053 Speaker 5: they jump up the waterfalls there that they're the little 541 00:25:26,053 --> 00:25:28,213 Speaker 5: ones with the golden ones. They're pick to the side 542 00:25:28,213 --> 00:25:31,013 Speaker 5: of the buck. They jump up the waterfalls, off the rocks. 543 00:25:31,733 --> 00:25:34,773 Speaker 5: It's all about the set nets. Believe me, I've seen 544 00:25:34,813 --> 00:25:37,253 Speaker 5: and I've seen people set up below me. When I've 545 00:25:37,293 --> 00:25:40,573 Speaker 5: been getting good catchers, still penny going pass. Then all 546 00:25:40,573 --> 00:25:43,093 Speaker 5: of a sudden, not one bloody fish case paths excuse 547 00:25:43,133 --> 00:25:43,573 Speaker 5: my language. 548 00:25:43,853 --> 00:25:44,253 Speaker 3: That's fair. 549 00:25:44,573 --> 00:25:48,373 Speaker 5: I wish where James goes on holiday. Mugget tooth, believe me. Okay, 550 00:25:49,053 --> 00:25:51,013 Speaker 5: there's still bloody heaps lovely. 551 00:25:51,093 --> 00:25:53,533 Speaker 3: So, Craig is the biggest problem with the sock net. 552 00:25:54,013 --> 00:25:56,973 Speaker 5: It's just it's it's indiscriminate fishing. 553 00:25:57,333 --> 00:25:59,333 Speaker 4: What about the selling of white baite, Craig, do you 554 00:25:59,613 --> 00:26:00,253 Speaker 4: support that? 555 00:26:00,333 --> 00:26:02,693 Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what. Yeah, I sell it but 556 00:26:02,773 --> 00:26:05,133 Speaker 5: a sheep to people who can't get it because they 557 00:26:05,413 --> 00:26:07,813 Speaker 5: work too much and they really love it, or else 558 00:26:07,933 --> 00:26:10,613 Speaker 5: old folks who I know money and then because it 559 00:26:10,653 --> 00:26:12,653 Speaker 5: takes a lot of time and picture will and all 560 00:26:12,653 --> 00:26:14,893 Speaker 5: that to going, you know, don't catch them. 561 00:26:14,973 --> 00:26:16,533 Speaker 3: So what do you sell yours for, Craig? 562 00:26:17,013 --> 00:26:18,093 Speaker 5: Seventy dollars a kilo? 563 00:26:18,213 --> 00:26:18,893 Speaker 3: Seventy aquilo? 564 00:26:18,973 --> 00:26:20,453 Speaker 5: Right, but some days I would have you get a 565 00:26:20,533 --> 00:26:22,773 Speaker 5: kilo a day, sometimes whe all day, you know, yeah, 566 00:26:22,933 --> 00:26:26,533 Speaker 5: because of those bloody sickness excuse my language again, No 567 00:26:26,733 --> 00:26:27,253 Speaker 5: fair enough. 568 00:26:27,773 --> 00:26:31,253 Speaker 3: And so is it a livelihood for you or a pastime? 569 00:26:31,493 --> 00:26:33,933 Speaker 5: It's not. It's a pastime, you know. That's why I've 570 00:26:34,053 --> 00:26:37,093 Speaker 5: been out the season. I'm going out tomorrow morning, right see, 571 00:26:37,533 --> 00:26:39,533 Speaker 5: you know, hopefully hopefully get a feed over a cry. 572 00:26:39,653 --> 00:26:42,533 Speaker 3: It's the restriction or regulation you'd like to see put 573 00:26:42,613 --> 00:26:45,373 Speaker 3: upon the industry would be just banning of those nets. 574 00:26:45,373 --> 00:26:47,253 Speaker 3: Are you comfortable at the moment not having to report 575 00:26:47,293 --> 00:26:48,453 Speaker 3: catches and the lake? 576 00:26:48,813 --> 00:26:50,893 Speaker 5: No, that's fine because it's very hard to catch a 577 00:26:50,893 --> 00:26:52,813 Speaker 5: lot with a scudney. Well, are you on the good days? 578 00:26:52,813 --> 00:26:54,693 Speaker 5: You'll get eat and then and then you can I 579 00:26:54,693 --> 00:26:56,493 Speaker 5: can share it on the way home, and I'm getting 580 00:26:56,493 --> 00:26:58,693 Speaker 5: past you run's places on the way home. You they right, 581 00:26:58,813 --> 00:27:00,333 Speaker 5: And it's the only time I get to is when 582 00:27:00,373 --> 00:27:02,413 Speaker 5: he could run, like once a month or something. 583 00:27:02,613 --> 00:27:04,373 Speaker 3: What do you put in your petty? Apart from the 584 00:27:04,373 --> 00:27:08,013 Speaker 3: white bait? What do you put in your patty? How 585 00:27:08,013 --> 00:27:09,053 Speaker 3: do you make your patties? 586 00:27:09,573 --> 00:27:11,933 Speaker 5: That's it? Eggs of white bait and lemon. 587 00:27:11,813 --> 00:27:15,133 Speaker 4: Juice and salt and salt. 588 00:27:15,573 --> 00:27:18,533 Speaker 5: A little bit of salt because they've got no salt 589 00:27:18,533 --> 00:27:19,773 Speaker 5: flavoring them, their fresh. 590 00:27:19,493 --> 00:27:23,893 Speaker 3: Obvious tomatoes saucer am I heav Yeah, I thought you 591 00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:28,733 Speaker 3: got your snobs. Your snobs there both The Highlight Reel. 592 00:27:28,613 --> 00:27:33,173 Speaker 1: With Simon Barnett and James Daniels, available worldwide on iHeartRadio. 593 00:27:33,333 --> 00:27:35,053 Speaker 3: Capital Gains Tax has been a bit of a poisoned 594 00:27:35,133 --> 00:27:37,293 Speaker 3: Chalice for the Labor Party. I go way back to 595 00:27:37,333 --> 00:27:39,773 Speaker 3: Phil Goff and David Cunliffe and then of course just 596 00:27:39,813 --> 00:27:42,453 Speaker 3: Cindera durn took the nuclear option. She didn't just rule 597 00:27:42,453 --> 00:27:45,773 Speaker 3: it out, she said under her watch, remember the Captain's call. Yes, 598 00:27:45,893 --> 00:27:49,253 Speaker 3: never ever, So that's clearly Chris Hepkins thinks differently that 599 00:27:49,333 --> 00:27:52,413 Speaker 3: maybe New Zealand public are ready for a capital gains. 600 00:27:52,293 --> 00:27:54,333 Speaker 12: I think it is absolutely time for us to have 601 00:27:54,413 --> 00:27:56,813 Speaker 12: that conversation as a country. It's time for us to 602 00:27:56,853 --> 00:27:59,693 Speaker 12: do something about it. And so we're working through that now. 603 00:27:59,933 --> 00:28:02,293 Speaker 12: We will, we will be going into the next campaign 604 00:28:02,333 --> 00:28:03,813 Speaker 12: with a plan to do something about it. 605 00:28:03,853 --> 00:28:06,533 Speaker 4: Mind you, before the last election, Grant Robertson was toalking 606 00:28:06,533 --> 00:28:10,133 Speaker 4: about a capital gains tax and Chris Hopkins just shot 607 00:28:10,213 --> 00:28:10,613 Speaker 4: him down. 608 00:28:10,973 --> 00:28:11,173 Speaker 2: Yeah. 609 00:28:11,653 --> 00:28:13,253 Speaker 3: Well he was desperate, then, wasn't he, Hapkins. 610 00:28:13,293 --> 00:28:15,093 Speaker 4: He's just I think he got it wrong. 611 00:28:15,413 --> 00:28:18,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't know. He was trying everything because 612 00:28:18,173 --> 00:28:20,453 Speaker 3: remember there was that bonfire of all those policies here 613 00:28:20,493 --> 00:28:23,173 Speaker 3: and that was one of them. So is Chris Hopkins right? 614 00:28:23,213 --> 00:28:25,853 Speaker 3: Are we ready now for capital gains tax. 615 00:28:25,973 --> 00:28:29,613 Speaker 4: Or a wealth tax which is similar except the wealth tax? 616 00:28:29,893 --> 00:28:32,533 Speaker 4: What taxes unrealized gains. 617 00:28:32,733 --> 00:28:34,973 Speaker 3: That's the big difference, JD. And that's what I don't like, 618 00:28:35,053 --> 00:28:37,053 Speaker 3: you know, So you don't like that either. You could 619 00:28:37,053 --> 00:28:38,693 Speaker 3: be rich on paper and certainly have to pay a 620 00:28:38,773 --> 00:28:40,733 Speaker 3: year on year if you retired, and where does the 621 00:28:40,773 --> 00:28:42,013 Speaker 3: money come from? So yeah, but a. 622 00:28:42,013 --> 00:28:45,373 Speaker 4: Capital gains tax is a tax on the profit that 623 00:28:45,413 --> 00:28:47,333 Speaker 4: you've made from the sale, say, of a property. 624 00:28:47,373 --> 00:28:49,653 Speaker 3: Is exactly that's the biggest difference between a wealth tax 625 00:28:49,693 --> 00:28:54,453 Speaker 3: and capital gains I just think we are probably ready now. 626 00:28:54,773 --> 00:28:56,333 Speaker 3: We want to help our nurses, we want to help 627 00:28:56,333 --> 00:28:58,253 Speaker 3: our police, we want to keep them in this country, 628 00:28:59,093 --> 00:29:01,013 Speaker 3: want to keep our teachers, want to pay them more. 629 00:29:01,133 --> 00:29:03,693 Speaker 4: So you've changed your mind on capital gains tax. 630 00:29:03,773 --> 00:29:07,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I have, although like caveat to that. 631 00:29:08,133 --> 00:29:10,453 Speaker 3: I like what they do in Australia, so to just 632 00:29:10,453 --> 00:29:12,453 Speaker 3: what the devil is in the detail if they introduce 633 00:29:12,493 --> 00:29:15,213 Speaker 3: it in Australia. I think I'm right in saying this 634 00:29:15,813 --> 00:29:18,573 Speaker 3: that it's a fifteen percent, a flat fifteen percent capital 635 00:29:18,573 --> 00:29:21,253 Speaker 3: gains tax on property sold. If you hold the property 636 00:29:21,253 --> 00:29:23,053 Speaker 3: for more than twelve months, you purchase it and then 637 00:29:23,053 --> 00:29:25,133 Speaker 3: sell it two years later, it's a ten percent capital 638 00:29:25,133 --> 00:29:26,893 Speaker 3: gains So that'll still bring in a heck of a 639 00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:27,493 Speaker 3: lot of money. 640 00:29:27,573 --> 00:29:28,653 Speaker 4: It's like a brightline test. 641 00:29:28,853 --> 00:29:32,813 Speaker 3: Yeah, But Michael Cullen's plan, to the best of my knowledge, 642 00:29:32,853 --> 00:29:36,373 Speaker 3: I think his capital gains was argued on the basis 643 00:29:36,733 --> 00:29:40,373 Speaker 3: that it would the capital gains you pay is dependent 644 00:29:40,413 --> 00:29:42,893 Speaker 3: on your top marginal tax rate, right. I just think 645 00:29:42,973 --> 00:29:44,093 Speaker 3: that's actually unfair. 646 00:29:44,613 --> 00:29:47,933 Speaker 4: But I agree with that, but just in principle, I've 647 00:29:47,933 --> 00:29:50,613 Speaker 4: always thought, what is wrong with a capital gains tax? 648 00:29:50,893 --> 00:29:52,653 Speaker 3: But then I spoke with a young couple the other day. 649 00:29:52,653 --> 00:29:54,493 Speaker 3: We were talking about it, and they were all for 650 00:29:54,693 --> 00:29:57,213 Speaker 3: when they didn't own a home. Yes, yes, capital gains 651 00:29:57,253 --> 00:29:59,533 Speaker 3: tax all the way. Yep, definitely. Now they own a 652 00:29:59,533 --> 00:30:02,893 Speaker 3: home and they've probably made one hundred grand from when 653 00:30:02,893 --> 00:30:05,373 Speaker 3: they real justice. Yeah, unrealized, but it's looking at the market, 654 00:30:05,413 --> 00:30:07,293 Speaker 3: they probably made a hundred gand if they were to 655 00:30:07,333 --> 00:30:09,853 Speaker 3: sell that and lose thirty percent of that, they're not 656 00:30:09,893 --> 00:30:11,933 Speaker 3: so keen on it down I think probably that's the 657 00:30:11,933 --> 00:30:13,013 Speaker 3: way life works. 658 00:30:13,493 --> 00:30:17,693 Speaker 1: The Highlight reel with Simon Barnard and James Daniels hughs talk. 659 00:30:17,533 --> 00:30:19,733 Speaker 3: Said, be oh, beg your pardon, James, you were right. 660 00:30:19,773 --> 00:30:20,133 Speaker 4: I was wrong. 661 00:30:20,173 --> 00:30:23,973 Speaker 3: If I was way ahead of the time there were folks, 662 00:30:24,093 --> 00:30:26,413 Speaker 3: just we had panic stations in the I'm looking at 663 00:30:26,493 --> 00:30:27,813 Speaker 3: James and I'm thinking he's got to wrap it up, 664 00:30:27,813 --> 00:30:29,573 Speaker 3: because just a little bit of back this will give 665 00:30:29,573 --> 00:30:31,413 Speaker 3: you the behind the scenes of what actually happens on 666 00:30:31,453 --> 00:30:34,213 Speaker 3: the show. Folks. Everything is to the second. So at 667 00:30:34,253 --> 00:30:37,013 Speaker 3: exactly fifty seven minutes and fifteen seconds, we have to 668 00:30:37,013 --> 00:30:39,093 Speaker 3: stop talking because the news place and the old days 669 00:30:39,093 --> 00:30:41,613 Speaker 3: you had the peeps, you know, the for the news. 670 00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:45,093 Speaker 3: And sometimes we get quick because our clock's at different angles. 671 00:30:45,093 --> 00:30:47,293 Speaker 3: Here it's a computer clock, not like an old analog, 672 00:30:47,693 --> 00:30:49,413 Speaker 3: and so we watched the clock as we're talking. It 673 00:30:49,453 --> 00:30:51,213 Speaker 3: counts down every second. I was a minute to head 674 00:30:51,213 --> 00:30:52,853 Speaker 3: of myself. We're looking at James say shut up, mate, 675 00:30:52,853 --> 00:30:54,893 Speaker 3: We've got to go. I'm looking at you panicking. 676 00:30:54,933 --> 00:30:57,213 Speaker 4: I'm going chill, bro, chill bro. 677 00:30:58,733 --> 00:31:02,853 Speaker 3: So I stand down. I was humbly withdraw and apologize. James. 678 00:31:03,213 --> 00:31:05,093 Speaker 3: You are much better at telling the time that I 679 00:31:05,133 --> 00:31:06,933 Speaker 3: have big. 680 00:31:06,733 --> 00:31:10,053 Speaker 4: Hands on there and the little hands on there. 681 00:31:10,053 --> 00:31:11,653 Speaker 3: Then we clock off Andrew. 682 00:31:12,693 --> 00:31:16,293 Speaker 1: For more from Simon Barnett and James Daniels afternoons, listen 683 00:31:16,373 --> 00:31:19,213 Speaker 1: live to News Talk set B or follow the podcast 684 00:31:19,293 --> 00:31:20,333 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio,