1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: The Corrections Minister wants to lock crooks up for longer. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Criminals that serve five years or more in jail are 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: generally less likely to offend, according to the stats, So 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: the Minister, Mark Mitchell has asked Corrections to look at 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: whether those shorter sentences could be extended. It is with 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: us now how much? Hey here? 7 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: Then? How are you? 8 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm well, thanks mate? How would you do it? 9 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: That's good? Well, I don't know. That's why. That's exactly 10 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 2: why I've asked Corrections to go away and have a 11 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: look at it. But yes, you are right. Is that 12 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: when you look at it, longer sentences mean that normally 13 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: the people commit to their rehabilitation, better engage in more 14 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: rehabilitation and are therefore less risks to the community when 15 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: they come out. 16 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you'd have to do it at the sentencing part, 17 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't you. 18 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking at it purely from the correction side 19 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: of it, because obviously we deliver rehabilitation now. So there's 20 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: a couple of things that we did when we came 21 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 2: into government. We made sure that prisoners on remand who 22 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: don't get access to rehabilitation can get access to rehabilitation. 23 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: Now we change the law around that. You know, we're 24 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: constantly looking at the programs that do work that don't work, 25 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: giving people realize skills, genuine realized skills that actually will 26 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: help them when they do come out of prison. But 27 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: a part of that work too is just seeing, you know, 28 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: how effective short sentences are and what the options are 29 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: for us in side corrections. 30 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: But what okay, so what say does corrections have over 31 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: how long a prisoner spends in prison? 32 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: Well, Corrections doesn't have any say on that because other 33 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: than the fact they can provide advice and reports to 34 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: the parole board, et cetera. So this is basically. 35 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: Why are you asking corrections to look at it if 36 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: they have no say on how long these people. 37 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: Are Well, because because we deliver rehabilitation. So even if 38 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: we do go through it and identify, yes, that short 39 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: sentences are not very effective, maybe we can figure out 40 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: ways of delivering rehabilitation. I just alluded to the fact 41 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: that we've just changed the law before romand prisoners were 42 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: getting no programs at all while they're in prison. And 43 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: bearing in mind that up to fifty percent of population 44 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: at any given time is on remand either remand accused 45 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: or remand convicted. So we're already making changes around that. 46 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: It's just a broader piece of work that I've asked 47 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: Corrections to do to identify what what the real issues 48 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: are around small shorter sentences sentences. 49 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: So has the herod cited match when it says the 50 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: minister's looking at this and he wants to swap the 51 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: short sentences for long sentences, That's not really what you're 52 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: planning to do. You're just trying to figure out how 53 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: to get the short sentence people not correct reoffend. 54 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, correct, Well, you don't have a broader look 55 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: at it. And if and if it's really clear that 56 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: actually short shorter sentence are shorter sentences aren't effective, in 57 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: fact they counterintuitive, then at least we've armed with that 58 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: information as a government and informs us to make decisions. 59 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. Hey, have you been sending yourself emails 60 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: from your work account to your Gmail account? 61 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: No? I haven't. 62 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: Okay, good good. You're obviously smarter than Erica. 63 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: Have you. 64 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: Have you asked Erika about what's going on with her 65 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: printer here? 66 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: No, I've got no idea. All I know is that 67 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: you had a bit of a disaster just coming on 68 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: here that one of your braces broke, but I have 69 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 2: to say they were. 70 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: I can't avoid the German untrusted. 71 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: But you sound fined, You sound fine. 72 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Look terrible though. Mark Mitchell corrections, go 73 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: to see it just looks. Look just so that you're 74 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: in on this now, because now he's let the cat 75 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: out of the bag. What happened is when I was 76 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: twenty one, I had braces, right, don't judge me for it. 77 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: I was a nerd. So anyway, after that, they put 78 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: a wire behind your teeth, which I'm telling you this 79 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: for the benefit of Joe SPERGANI, who didn't know that 80 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: that happens after you have braces. Then what happened was here, 81 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: I am, at the age of forty, eating an apple 82 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: and the wire behind my tooth broke. And what do 83 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: we know about reading the Bible? Women should not eat apples. 84 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: The last one who ate an apple basically destroyed womenkind 85 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: and I destroyed my wire. For more from Heather Duplessy 86 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 1: Allen Drive, listen live to news talks it'd be from 87 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.