1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,720 Speaker 1: Well, what the story? It has been a Netball New 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Zealand drops coach named Noel in Taru. After allegations from 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: some players of a psychologically unsafe environment, a mixture of confusion, silence, delay, 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: and eventually governed intervention ensues, culminating in a reinstatement. So 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: let's fill in some gaps for the first time in 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: this whole mess. Name Noel in Taroo is with us. 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: A very good morning to you, Good morning, welcome back. 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: Oh look, hay, can I probably first start by thanking 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: you on behalf of my south, the family and actually 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: the netbook community for keeping the home fires burning, so 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: to speak. But I'm elated to be back and it 12 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 2: feels like game day. If I'm going to be. 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Honest, good do you sit here this morning happy and vindicated? 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: Or is there more to it? Look? 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: I do sit here feeling happy. I don't take my 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: role lightly. I feel I'm a guardian as a head 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: coach number eleven, and I don't own it. Some degree. 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: I feel vindicated And that was a necessity, necessarity, necessity, 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: a necessary sort of statement that was included in the 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: public statement by Netball New Zealand but got a long 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: way to go. 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: In what way? 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: Uh One, I need to be on court looking forward 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: to that, knowing that I have Commonwealth Games next year, 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: so I've got to work through the opportunities that present 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: in that way for me and also what needs to 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: be looked at moving forward for this team. I'm excited 28 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: by getting back out on court when that opportunity does present, 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: but also a bit of work to do behind the 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: scenes as well. 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: The fact you're back but not back are you happy 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: about that? 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: Look, I'm back. It's probably the thing that I that 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm holding on to and as I say as a coach, 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: my happy place is on court. It's on the training 36 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: with the players, it's in team meetings, it's what I do, 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: it's how I do it. And until I sort of 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: really get back in my eyes, then they're still a 39 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: bit to go. So but I'm happy. It's been a 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: long journey over the last two months, very horrific in 41 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: my eyes, but you know, I've got to where I 42 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: am and I'm proud of that I've been able to 43 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: stand in my own truth, so to speak. 44 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: Just for the record, a lot of people texted us 45 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: this question, are you as you speak to us this morning? 46 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: Constrained in any way in what you're able to say. 47 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: Yes, I am. I am constrained, mainly because of what's 48 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: been signed, and I really want to honor that in 49 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: regards to the integrity that I have, but also the 50 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: balancing act I suppose that I have to be able 51 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: to put my truth out there. So I'm in my 52 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: conscious space, have been so conscious in my life, but 53 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to be I don't want 54 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: it to be the shortest reinstatement. I've had enough excitement 55 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: over the last two months, so but I also need 56 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: to put my truth out there. So this is a 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: balancing act that I'm prepared to walk. 58 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: Were you unfairly treated? 59 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: The process that I needed to go through when I 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 2: was suspended or went through that was to then get 61 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: lawyers involved, and through Mintor Allison, who has actually helped 62 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: me amazingly, we've been able to They've been able to 63 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: work through a process and negotiate with NET for New 64 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: Zealand to be reinstated, hence me being here. Obviously there 65 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: are other options that could have been taken, which is 66 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: a legal option, but to be honest, I didn't want 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: to go there, you know, like that was my last 68 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: option to do. It would have been so to speak 69 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: for me because everything would have been laid out. But 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: I'm also very aware about taxpayers money. I'm aware about 71 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: Nepal community money, and I know that we don't have 72 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: a lot, so you know, that would have been my 73 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: last grasp. But I'm really really happy that my lawyers 74 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: have been able to negotiate and here I am. 75 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: In really simple terms without re litigating the past. Was 76 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: it simply a case of some players didn't like the 77 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: way you treated them, they complained and that was the process. 78 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: In real simple terms, I don't know, and I can't 79 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: tell you, and that's that's my truth. I'm not sort 80 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: of going on the lines I actually don't know, but 81 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: I can tell you that I am one hundred percent open. 82 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: It's my one I wonder if I'm going to be 83 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: honest of listening to players, listening to anybody as to 84 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: what concerns they have, and then look for solutions to 85 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: make it better. So that's just what I do and 86 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: how I do it, and I haven't stopped that at all, 87 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: and over my twenty five years, that's what I'm synonymous 88 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: with in regards to the culture and the environment that 89 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: I build. So that's all I can say in that matter. 90 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 2: But the question that you've asked, I don't know. 91 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: But when you say you don't know, when you sat 92 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: down with the management of the ball of netball in 93 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: New Zealand and they were standing you down, they were 94 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: standing you down for. 95 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: What my truth is, I don't know. So that's where 96 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: my lawyers came to help in regards to negotiations and 97 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: to find out what the truth and then to work 98 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 2: through the process for me to come back. I was 99 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: always adamant on my reinstatement and that was my number 100 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: one option, with number two going legal if we needed to. 101 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: But I state once again that I am happy to 102 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: listen to any concerns got the solutions forward. But what 103 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: I what I also want to stand in as well, 104 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: is that it's not environmental. I'm happy for individuals to 105 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: tell the truth and if anything, I encourage that, but 106 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: there's some things. Once again, if it's environmental or the 107 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: around the team, I'll stand strong in that because I. 108 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: Know it's not a lot of feedback in there break Noline, 109 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: as you would imagine. Can we just just for clarifications 110 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: sake when you refer to your truth is this legal advice. 111 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: You'd like to say other things, but you've been told 112 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: not to. 113 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 2: When I say my truth, it's it's my integrity and 114 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: actually my truth, you know, it's it's my honesty around 115 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: where I stand. If I was talking about legal advice, 116 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: I'll say no comments or something like that. 117 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, this is me. Okay, Well, I just 118 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: no one seems to understand how you can be stood 119 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: down with no understanding of why you were stood down. 120 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: I understand that, And I'm laughing because I understand that. 121 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's just enough of it. Were you 122 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: tempted at any point in the process to tell them 123 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: to stick it? 124 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, probably for the first four or five weeks 125 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: I grappled with that. Actually, probably for the whole time 126 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: I grappled with that. What I was really strong on 127 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: I felt that I had the support of the players 128 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: and the team, the majority. It was really important for 129 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: me to get my name cleared, but also for the 130 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: people that I work with as well. There's a massive 131 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: reputational damage around when when things are put out around 132 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: psychological harm and fear in the culture, in the environment 133 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: that we work in, and you know, it's really standing 134 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: up for those people, and what's right? 135 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: Am I correct in saying that once they investigated they 136 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: found nothing. There wasn't an investigation, so there was no 137 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: investigation at all. No, why did it take so long? 138 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: Then you with us? 139 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: Hey, Mike, Yes, I'm on Breakfast Show, but I'm happy 140 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: to come back after I finished the Breakfast Show. 141 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: Okay, sure we can do that. Let me I've been. 142 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: Ushered out to somewhere else, but I'm happy to come back. 143 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: Carry Sorry, listeners, Kerrie will make contact with you to 144 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: organize a time, hopefully today this morning. Then you can 145 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: ask me more questions. 146 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: All right, I'd love to nice to talk. Appreciate it. 147 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: Noel in tarrua slightly odd end, but we might get 148 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: it back on after the Prime Minister if you got 149 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: a couple. I had a couple more questions left, but 150 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: the fact that she said there was no investigation seems 151 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: too weird. For more from the mic asking Breakfast listen 152 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: live to news Talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, 153 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.