1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Christopher Uxen is with us now, and then 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: after eight o'clock Scott Morrison, who was also a Prime minister, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: is with us to talk about Australia. So morning, good 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: to see you, good to be with you. Pressure's on 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: you because I mean he might out Prime Minister you. 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: Actually I caught up with Scott a couple of weeks 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: ago when he was over for IDU, which is the 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: center right party grouping, So I'll sure have a lot 9 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: to say. He's got a book coming out. 10 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: Ye. He seems to be having a good life in 11 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: a good time and not too many regrets out the 12 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: other side. 13 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a regret, which is wearing this Highlander ship. 14 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Look to be honest, I mean it sort of feels terrible. 15 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: Man, it's a shocking interview, is it. 16 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: Don't don't let you look affect your performance. Do you 17 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: blame the jersey or do you, in some quiet way 18 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: blame yourself? 19 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 2: No, I blame the jersey, and I blame your executive producer. 20 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: That guy Sam is the nicest man in the country, 21 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: which is actually probably a testament to you that you've 22 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: actually been able to attract someone so good that sticks 23 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 2: with you. 24 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: That's right, but. 25 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: Honestly, like he set me up badly. He said about 26 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: you lose against Highlanders. Yeah, Machiavellian. That's the worst, nicest 27 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: guy on the nicest guy on the surface, just Underneas 28 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: soon as he held that jersey up this morning, I thought, 29 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: that's nothing but trouble. I said to him, mate, I'm 30 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: an excel and he's given me an excess. Right, So 31 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: he's just literally doubled down and made it even worse. 32 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: I feel like Beaver in the World Cup. 33 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: You know, how are you going fitness wise? 34 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: Ah? Well, I mean it's a constant struggle just getting 35 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: time to exercise right, and my body loves it and 36 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: I love exercising, but you know, it's an hour and 37 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 2: a half out of a day. Sometimes it's quite difficult, 38 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: so keeping it integrated into my schedule is pretty challenging 39 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: at times. 40 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: Winston Peter's and the Solomon's yesterday there was a small 41 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: announcement I think on solar panels or solar work or 42 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: something like that. What are we trying to achieve? He 43 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: had given China's in there. They've signed the deal, they've 44 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: got a new Prime minister. He's pro Chinese. What are 45 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: we looking to achieve. 46 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, look again, you know we want to make sure 47 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 2: across the Pacific we've got deep relationships there, long standing ones. 48 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: For us, it's obviously a very it's becoming more and 49 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: more contested, Yet strategically it's important for us as New 50 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: Zealand to be in they're building those relationships with those 51 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: island nations. A lot of the issues are around development 52 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: and support for those economies, a lot of it's around 53 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: climate change, and obviously about regional security and stability. So 54 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: it's important that we are circulating well and building those 55 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: relationships and make. 56 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: Do you really believe that or is it really just 57 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: about money? 58 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: No? No, I really believe it. It's genuinely about making 59 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: sure that the Pacific Island nations activate through the Pacific 60 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: Island Forum, which is the key vehicle by which development 61 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: partners from around the world who want to work with 62 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: Pacific island nations should be channeling their investments through and 63 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: working with. But for us, it's about just deepening those 64 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: relationships across the Pacific, and you're seeing that across the 65 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 2: piece as we're having a big foreign affairs reset, which 66 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: is to say, look, our national interests are actually about 67 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: security and economic They are interdependent and joined up. You 68 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: can't have economic interests separate from security interests and vice versa. 69 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: And that's why you're seeing us put a real big 70 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 2: effort on Australia first and foremost the Pacific, Southeast Asia, 71 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: and between myself and between Winston and Judith Collins and 72 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: Defense and Todd McLay on trade, the four of us 73 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: in a foreign policy sense meet as a regular group 74 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: to make sure we're lifting the intensity and eurch We 75 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: want New Zealand to be relevant. We don't want to 76 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: become irrelevant in the end of Pacific. 77 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: That half billion on defense last Friday, how much of 78 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: that is about in some way, shape or form aucas. 79 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: Well, no, it's just a start to recognize that we've 80 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: had a rundown defense force and we've got a wholesale 81 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 2: change of the heads of the defense forces across Army, 82 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: Navy and Air Force, and the Chief of Defense Force 83 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: will change as well. That's all literally happening in these 84 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: next few months. There'll be new leadership coming in. We 85 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: want to do a capability review, so we're really clear 86 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: that a lot of our responsibility is to power up 87 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: the Australian be a force multiplier for the Australian Defense forces, 88 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: make sure that we're into operable with them, and then 89 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: we'll make sure that we start to lift our defense spending. 90 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: So this is a start a lot of I think 91 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: there's one hundred and sixty three million of it going 92 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: into remuneration and the rest into some facilities and some infrastructure. 93 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: But you know, we need to make sure that we 94 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: have good defense spending that's consistent with our values. That 95 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: you can talk about stuff, you've got to follow through 96 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: and deploy. 97 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: I spoke with Peters about a week or so ago 98 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: after that Aucut speech. He didn't seem to know what 99 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: was going on. It's not an insult, he just no knows. 100 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: Do you know anything that the challenges this is orcust 101 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: pillartoothing that's thrown around. It's been very undefined as to 102 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: what it actually is because the ORCST countries themselves actually 103 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: have to get aligned and have some definition around that. 104 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: Only in the last couple of weeks have they said 105 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: there's actually a pathway for our officials to start to 106 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: discuss with them more fully about what the potential of 107 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: it is. It's been loosely referred to as technologies that 108 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: could support that alliance. So again that'll be a long process. 109 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: We need to get our officials and they're talking with 110 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: we're no further ahead, no, no, but we've got an 111 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: intention to explore it. As we said, the officials will 112 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: continue that conversation and then we'll get move up. 113 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: The Palestinian vote over the weekend at the UN. Was 114 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: that designed because you know full well it's going to 115 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: get sanctioned and tossed out at. 116 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: The part Now that was really us just acknowledging Look, 117 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: you know, we really, we really do want to see 118 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: a two state solution emerge in the Middle East. 119 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: Even though it will never happen. 120 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: It's inevitable that, you know, at some point you've got 121 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: to recognize Palace City in statehood. This wasn't that, this 122 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: was about enhanced membership of Palestine within the United Nations. 123 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: They can't select candiatures, they've got some limitations. It's not 124 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: full membership as such. But it's just an acknowledgment that 125 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: actually the world is pretty frustrated with where things are 126 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: at at the moment, and more military action doesn't solve 127 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: the problem. You've got to be able to get these 128 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: parties around a table. Hummas has to release hostages, we 129 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: have to get humanitarian aid, and then we need a 130 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: permanent cease far so we can get back to a 131 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: peace process that ultimately delivers a two parties, two state solution. 132 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 2: That has been one of the frustrations on this conflict. 133 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: Right If you think about the big conflicts of the 134 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: twentieth century, they've been resolved and this is one that 135 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: hasn't been resolved. 136 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: Karen Chaw was on just after seven o'clock this morning. 137 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: She said, you couldn't talk about the case, which indicates 138 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: the case is still wive despite the fact I didn't 139 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: think the case was live. Because it's the legislations there 140 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: and the tribunals over it means you must be looking 141 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: at appealings that. 142 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: Well, we only got the judgment yesterday, so it's a 143 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: pretty big judgment and we need to work our way 144 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: through it and then take advice on whether we will 145 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: appeal it and what we'll do next. Again, the substantive 146 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 2: issue here is we are very united and very strongly 147 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: aligned around the fact that we don't believe Section seven 148 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: AA is the right thing. We think the primacy of 149 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: a child is important over above their cultural needs. 150 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: Apart from a lawyer, several lawyers pocketing money from the taxpayer. 151 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: Has anything that's all been achieved by this whole exercise. 152 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: Well, it's frustrating because the way Tongui Tribunal has asked 153 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: us for a whole bunch of information, often briefs that actually, 154 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: you know, inputs to conversations that may happen in cabinets 155 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: or discussions. We've tried to be in the spirit of 156 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: what's called comity, making sure that the different branches of 157 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: government are respectful of each other. Provided that information, again, 158 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: we have a look at judgment and work out what 159 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: comes next. 160 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: Okay, the regional roads announced yesterday, you've got to ppp them, 161 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: told them you have no money to do this. Correct. 162 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're very up for bringing in private capital big time. 163 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: We have to When does that actually happen? 164 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: Well, I mean again, this a process we're working through. 165 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: The first and foremost, get the resource and consenting straight 166 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: fast track consenting becomes very critical for a lot of 167 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: these projects. Secondly, we want to form a National Infrastructure Agency, 168 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: which actually be the financing and funding vehicle to work 169 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: out which private capital, domestic or international is relevant for 170 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 2: which type of project. And which model sort of financing works. 171 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: And then thirdly, we've got to get New Zealand to 172 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: be an attractive place that foreign capital wants to come to. 173 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: And at the moment, New Zealand I think ranks just 174 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: behind Mexico is the second worst place in the OECD 175 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: that foreign capital wants to come to. So, if you're 176 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: a foreign investor sitting in Singapore or the States or 177 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: somewhere else and you're looking at all the options of 178 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: where you can invest, New Zealand has seen a message 179 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: very clearly that we're not open for business and we 180 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: make it too hard. And so that's why I work 181 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: on the resource consenting, work on the financing, and work 182 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: on the international attraction of capital. 183 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: The fast tracking. Have you been surprised at the pushback 184 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: or is the pushback come from the people you knew 185 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: would push back? 186 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: No, pretty much where it came from. It's in a 187 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: select committee process. It's going through a full six month 188 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: select committee process, which means it's robust and people can 189 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: make We're not rushing the law being past. We want 190 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: a good quality law. But I make no apologies. We 191 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: are going to get stuff built in this country. We 192 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: have had so much talking and not enough doing. We've 193 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: had double the amount of time it now takes to 194 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: get a resource consent. It's costing one point three billion 195 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: a year, which is doubled. Our building costs are up 196 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: over forty one percent, the fifty percent higher than Australia. 197 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: We have to get stuff done and so a one 198 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: stop shop fast track consenting is going to be the 199 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: guts of what we're doing here. Will take some advice 200 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: through the Select Committee process of these things that can 201 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: be done to improve the legislation, but bottom liners make 202 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: no apologies. We have to get stuff done now. 203 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: The ministerial statement last week on the gas that summing 204 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: Brown was turned into a debate and Victor came out 205 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: and said, we've been talking to government for four years. 206 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: Insane four years. 207 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: How is it possible that we've landed in this position 208 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: whereby we haven't got enough windmills and we haven't got 209 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: enough gas either. 210 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's insane, right, it is absolutely insane. How 211 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: on earth do you rock up in Taranaki make an 212 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: explanation overnight that you're going to ban oil and gas 213 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: and there is no second third order consequences or implications 214 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: or plan as to how you will manage that transition. 215 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: And it's a lot of bumper stickers, and it's a 216 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: lot of headlines, but actually again classic sort of labor, 217 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: lots of post it notes, no plan to actually deliver 218 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: the program. And here we are today. We know we 219 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: all to be one hundred percent renewable, don't get me wrong, 220 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: but that last five percent is fricking expensive to get there. 221 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: And the second thing is we need to make sure 222 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: we've got gas when our natural resources and there isn't 223 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 2: some and where there isn't water and lakes and stuff, 224 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: and so we need gases a transitory energy source for 225 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: some time. If you can't get gas, you end up 226 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 2: going to coal, which is worse than gas, and gas 227 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: isn't as good as renewables. I get it, but that 228 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: is the pragmatic reality of it. So either you have 229 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: a proper plan to do a transition like that, or 230 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: you just do the bumper stickers. And that's what happened. 231 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: Real quick cost of today is the strike forced raptor 232 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: or something that looks like it. 233 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: It's a focus from the police to go after gangs 234 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: and make sure that we make their life difficult. And 235 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: that's entirely appropriate. They want all the rights of being 236 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: kiwis none of the responsibilities, and so we're going to 237 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: double down on gigs. 238 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: As you stand up and leave the studio, suck it 239 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: in nice. 240 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: This is the most horriblest interview I've ever had with 241 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: your Microsoft. For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen 242 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: live to news Talks. 243 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 1: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 244 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: on I on Radio.