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Speaker 1: A landmark decision has been handed down in the War

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Speaker 1: against gangs. Judge Peter Andrew has ruled that Headhunter's boss

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Speaker 1: Wayne Boyle must forfeit fifteen million dollars in assets. Police

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Speaker 1: argued that Doyle's assets were a direct result of criminal

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Speaker 1: activity and he was, in fact the gang's president, not

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Speaker 1: just your average Joe Blog's member. Police Association President Chris

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Speaker 1: Carr hills with me. Now, Chris, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Hey, it's a long time to get fifteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: ten years through the courts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a very long process, a lot of

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Speaker 2: very hard work. But this is something police have looked

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Speaker 2: at for many, many years, and it took a change

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Speaker 2: in legislation to sort of enable police to be able

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Speaker 2: to get to where they've got. But it's a massive result.

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Speaker 2: I mean, normally when police sees assets are linked to

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Speaker 2: a specific offending, some drug importation, something like that. But

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Speaker 2: this is looking at long term leadership of a gang

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Speaker 2: who is established just to commit a legal action money

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Speaker 2: and he's lost homes, he's lost the clubrooms. It's a

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Speaker 2: magnificent result for police, but sends are very clear message

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Speaker 2: to gangs that their money isn't going to be safe,

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Speaker 2: but is it?

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Speaker 1: Does something else need to change so that doesn't take

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Speaker 1: ten years next time, or of the changes that have

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Speaker 1: already been made. Will that speed it up? Hopefully?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this certainly needs to speed up. And I think

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Speaker 2: there's some lot of lessons to be learned out of

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Speaker 2: this sort of prosecution. And you know it'll be appealed,

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Speaker 2: We know that. But in some ways that may be

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Speaker 2: a good thing because it'll set the higher courts will

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Speaker 2: set the rules going forward as well, which I think

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Speaker 2: will be very helpful. The judge has taken a long

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Speaker 2: time to make a very considered opinion, so I think

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Speaker 2: it'll stand up in the higher court.

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Speaker 1: Ten months. He took ten months to deliberate. Do you

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Speaker 1: how hard is it to prove who's in charge of

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Speaker 1: a gang? I mean, is it not kind of obvious?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, well I think with Doyle it was very obvious.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knew he was the chief. Now that was an

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Speaker 2: and he was the boss of that gang. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you've got to prove that to a standard of truth

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Speaker 2: beyond well in fact and the court it's on the

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Speaker 2: balance probabilities. So he was a very good example of

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Speaker 2: us and it will be a lot harder for some games.

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Speaker 2: But I'm saying that, you know, there's ways that police

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Speaker 2: can do this now and this it's a really good

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Speaker 2: example going forward. And what I like is it's not

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Speaker 2: just assets that he's accumulated, you know, in recent times.

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Speaker 2: These are assets he's owned for decades. And so it's

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Speaker 2: a big landmark ruling for police and it's one that

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Speaker 2: will have some real implications going forward.

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Speaker 1: Chris, thank you for that. Chris can't help Police Association

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Speaker 1: prison and I wonder when we'll see that house on

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