Speaker 1: Kiyoda.
Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a
Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Since entering
Speaker 2: Parliament ten years ago, Madama Davidson has become a co leader,
Speaker 2: been appointed a minister, and has helped the Greens reach
Speaker 2: its largest ever caucus. She's always been a staunch advocate
Speaker 2: for children, so it comes as no surprise that last
Speaker 2: week the Green Party launched an open letter calling on
Speaker 2: the Minister for Children to adopt seven promises to children
Speaker 2: in state care so no more tamariki fall into harm.
Speaker 3: One of those promises is to.
Speaker 2: Make it a requirement that ranga tamariki give raga tahi
Speaker 2: leaving care the support they need to find suitable accommodation. Later,
Speaker 2: we'll speak to nineteen year old ihurrangiit Peters about his
Speaker 2: experience in the care system and the challenges he faced.
Speaker 2: But first on the Front Page, Matima Davidson joins us
Speaker 2: to discuss what more we need to do to make
Speaker 2: sure every child growing up in this country has a
Speaker 2: fighting chance.
Speaker 4: Madam.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the seven promises to children in
Speaker 2: state care?
Speaker 3: Why call for this now?
Speaker 5: The government? The system has been failing Tamidikei for so long,
Speaker 5: and we heard about that, right We've heard about that
Speaker 5: from survivors, from people who have had generational, bad, harmful impacts.
Speaker 5: This is the least we can do is call for
Speaker 5: more accountability to make sure that the government, any governments,
Speaker 5: are prioritizing the well being of tamidiki, the wellbeing of
Speaker 5: young people and care and the well being of young
Speaker 5: people coming out of care. So this is the Greens
Speaker 5: wanting to put forward a way that ensure that our
Speaker 5: system is one that actually does look after and center
Speaker 5: and prioritize the well being of tamidiki.
Speaker 3: Is ordering a tamidiki not doing that at the moment.
Speaker 5: Do you think, Oh, we have seen from the Royal
Speaker 5: Commission of Inquiry into State Care that this has long
Speaker 5: been a system failing tamidiki. But unfortunately we are still
Speaker 5: hearing today right now from survivors, from people, from advocates
Speaker 5: that it's still failing timidiki. And so we all owe
Speaker 5: it as a country. I know that people care about this.
Speaker 5: We all owe it to ensure first and foremost well
Speaker 5: being Tamidikei. Our funding, our political laws, our decisions. We
Speaker 5: should be choosing to do everything we can to put
Speaker 5: their livelihoods first, to make sure far no can support
Speaker 5: and care for their tamidiki and make sure that tamidiki
Speaker 5: in state care are also provided for as well as
Speaker 5: when they come out of state care.
Speaker 2: It is pretty disappointing to see that, even after the
Speaker 2: Abuse and Care Royal Commission of Inquiry, that some of
Speaker 2: these experiences are still happening to tamidiki and rungtaihi in care.
Speaker 2: What do we do?
Speaker 5: We need big system change for us start Why don't
Speaker 5: we pick up the recommendations from the report from that
Speaker 5: big years and years of work with expertise, receiving and
Speaker 5: hearing from directly from survivors sometimes generations of survivors in
Speaker 5: families where you know, they also heard from people today
Speaker 5: from frontline community organizations also, So we need to make
Speaker 5: sure that we're picking up the recommendations. How about that
Speaker 5: for a starting point. They did so much work. They
Speaker 5: looked at the research, the evidence, they heard from expertise
Speaker 5: about exactly how systems can properly care. They came up
Speaker 5: with ways, step by step of what we can improve
Speaker 5: in the law and the policy and the practice. How
Speaker 5: about for a starting point, we pick up those recommendations.
Speaker 2: What stood out for me in the seven promises is
Speaker 2: this one number three. Every child must be supported every
Speaker 2: step of their journey. Now, I know that you have
Speaker 2: a bill in this sitting at the moment in regards
Speaker 2: to actually requiring Auong TAMARII to make sure that a
Speaker 2: person leaving care has suitable accommodation. When I read that,
Speaker 2: I find it amazing that it is not already a requirement.
Speaker 5: Right you would think that the least we can do
Speaker 5: for these children who have been in the system and
Speaker 5: are coming out of gear young children, that the least
Speaker 5: we can do is provide them with that really basic
Speaker 5: support for the rest of their lives to be able
Speaker 5: to flourish. What we are seeing, however, and hearing right now,
Speaker 5: is that young people, even with advocates and support workers,
Speaker 5: are being told at every stop, sorry, we cannot help you.
Speaker 5: There is no emergency housing, there is no way of
Speaker 5: ensuring that you've adequate income. At the same time, we
Speaker 5: are seeing this government drive funding cuts to the very
Speaker 5: frontline community organizations who would try and step in and
Speaker 5: fill in that gap.
Speaker 3: Well, who are picking up the slab that's.
Speaker 5: It picking up the sack. Just weeks ago, I was
Speaker 5: in Autuda one of the most well established respected local
Speaker 5: community hubs or Tuda Youth Hub, who have had their
Speaker 5: funding removed. They were picking up the slack in a big,
Speaker 5: real way. So we are seeing the community providers in
Speaker 5: care having their funding cut. But at the same time
Speaker 5: government departments have had the political decisions from this current
Speaker 5: government say I'm sorry, we are not going to offer
Speaker 5: emergency housing support anymore. I'm sorry the young people going
Speaker 5: to have to be turned away, young people left offend
Speaker 5: for themselves, and they literally are doing that on the
Speaker 5: streets and whatever ways they can. So you know that
Speaker 5: has to stop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the leaving care process.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm privileged enough not to have had to
Speaker 2: know anything about more actually researching speaking same day, but
Speaker 2: the process on transitioning out of care starts at fifteen
Speaker 2: years old. Those are some pretty big conversations and decisions
Speaker 2: to be placed on behalf of a fifteen sixteen year old.
Speaker 5: I too, am privileged not to have had to be
Speaker 5: in the care system to have been provided with the
Speaker 5: care that I require. But if we put these barriers
Speaker 5: right at that early stage of not supporting young people
Speaker 5: with housing, with support that is going to set them up,
Speaker 5: they are more likely to have challenged for the rest
Speaker 5: of their lives. One of the best things we can do,
Speaker 5: which is what my bill is about, is requiring in
Speaker 5: legislation that no young person is to leave care without
Speaker 5: appropriate housing and the support that they need. I don't
Speaker 5: know how come we have to have a law for this.
Speaker 5: I would have thought this is something we all agree
Speaker 5: to as a community, as a country, but it's not happening,
Speaker 5: and so it's about making the government accountable.
Speaker 1: How do shambolic cuts to service providers, poor communication with
Speaker 1: providers about their contracts, and no assurance about transitioning children
Speaker 1: and family to alternative services fit with her stated commitment
Speaker 1: to that child safety is her priority.
Speaker 6: Missus Beaker, I actually refused to stand here and be
Speaker 6: lectured by a member of that previous government who made
Speaker 6: absolutely no progress when it came to the safety of
Speaker 6: the well being of our young people. The state of
Speaker 6: ung A Tamodiki when I took over was absolutely disgusting
Speaker 6: and I'm not going to allow that to continue.
Speaker 2: I saw some figures from RAS and said that revealed
Speaker 2: that in the first five months of this year ninety
Speaker 2: nine children in or Angatamariki Kre have stayed in motels.
Speaker 3: In what world.
Speaker 4: Is this okay?
Speaker 5: In a world where consecutive and successive governments have depleted
Speaker 5: providing housing as a public good and a human right,
Speaker 5: which is what has happened. I am proud that we
Speaker 5: were part of the last government with labor where for
Speaker 5: the first time since the nineteen seventies we were building
Speaker 5: back our public and community housing supply in a rate
Speaker 5: that hasn't been seen since the seventies. Good. But this
Speaker 5: government has come in and removed that agenda to ensure
Speaker 5: that there is public housing, we would, for a starting point,
Speaker 5: as the Greens build thirty five thousand more public homes
Speaker 5: in five years, to basically remove everyone from the waiting
Speaker 5: list from the public housing waiting list. That in itself,
Speaker 5: that's why we have children having to be raised in
Speaker 5: motels and emergency accommodation, which none of us want. None
Speaker 5: of us want that it ended up being a stopgap
Speaker 5: measure because we have stopped providing public housing as a
Speaker 5: country and I just can I take us back for
Speaker 5: a little sec This was something that the New Zealand society,
Speaker 5: I suppose has been really proud of since way back
Speaker 5: in the early sort of from nineteen fifties at least,
Speaker 5: where we decided as a government a duty of care
Speaker 5: would ensure that there is housing for everyone, that it
Speaker 5: is affordable in quality, and that is the proud tradition
Speaker 5: I suppose of New Zealand's history of state housing that
Speaker 5: you know we got into I guess through the sort
Speaker 5: of the eighties particularly, we started on this real denigration
Speaker 5: of providing that public good, of that responsibility. We started
Speaker 5: selling off state housing. Children living in it tells today
Speaker 5: is a direct consequence of that, and it is shameful.
Speaker 5: It is shameful that as a country we have what
Speaker 5: we need to make sure that no children go without
Speaker 5: a home, go without kai, go without support, but this
Speaker 5: government is choosing not to make the decision to do that.
Speaker 2: I know that you've been in Parliament for ten years
Speaker 2: this year, yes, and in November. Actually you're made in
Speaker 2: speech twenty fifteen you said, in my community, people are
Speaker 2: living in homes so filled with mold that it is
Speaker 2: making kids sick. In my community, people are working two
Speaker 2: or more jobs and are still struggling to pay for
Speaker 2: the food and that their children need families are literally
Speaker 2: struggling to survive.
Speaker 3: And that was ten years ago. Has anything changed?
Speaker 5: Sadly, we are seeing government right now denying people in
Speaker 5: adequate income, in effect, cutting minimum wages, in effect. Housing
Speaker 5: costs are higher, rental costs are higher, wages are lower,
Speaker 5: and especially for those on the lowest income. So I
Speaker 5: was proud that there was a welfare working group say
Speaker 5: a report again, lots of work experts and people at
Speaker 5: the frontline bringing their stories to the table to be
Speaker 5: able to show actually the income support provided by government
Speaker 5: is well below the poverty line. How on earth are
Speaker 5: people supposed to get ahead at all? And you had
Speaker 5: you had the likes of a former New Zealand Business
Speaker 5: Roundtable chair president leader, shall we say, after hearing all
Speaker 5: the submissions and this is this is the point I
Speaker 5: want to be really clear about here. After hearing the
Speaker 5: submissions of people trying to do their best with what
Speaker 5: little they had, really trying to do their best, but
Speaker 5: just so clearly inadequate incomes. And you had the New
Speaker 5: Zealand former Business chair as part of that committee hearing
Speaker 5: these submissions saying straight up is this not enough? That's
Speaker 5: not enough income. We're not going to end poverty with
Speaker 5: this inadequate level of income. So I'm really sad that
Speaker 5: governments have chosen to keep people Farno and Tamidiki in poverty.
Speaker 5: I'm really proud that the Greens have provided an alternative
Speaker 5: for people to see, actually, we don't have to be
Speaker 5: like this. There is a better way. We've got enough
Speaker 5: in this beautiful country of ours that people care about
Speaker 5: each other, in this beautiful country of ours. We can
Speaker 5: end poverty. We can do it right now.
Speaker 2: I know that there was obviously the Child Poverty Reduction
Speaker 2: Act and acted in twenty eighteen. Do you think that
Speaker 2: that has actually done anything to alleviate child poverty in
Speaker 2: this country? Because I know that there's a report every year.
Speaker 2: The latest one, for example, it's called the Child and
Speaker 2: Youth Strategy, et cetera, et cetera, was released in April
Speaker 2: and it's required under the ass Pretty grim reading. Still,
Speaker 2: we've got experiences of abuse and neglect for children continuing
Speaker 2: to be high.
Speaker 3: Material hardship is trending upwards.
Speaker 2: More kids are in families on the benefit, Avoidable hospitalizations
Speaker 2: are worse, Educational achievement is worse. I mean, is there
Speaker 2: any point of that legislation or do you think it
Speaker 2: was a bit of a box taking exercise.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see why people would understandably think that,
Speaker 5: right when the government is doing the bare minimum and
Speaker 5: not achieving those targets. The purpose of the legislation is good.
Speaker 5: It is to try and keep governments accountable. So we
Speaker 5: do need to try and have measures, legislation policies to
Speaker 5: keep government accountable. Perhaps without the legislation we wouldn't be
Speaker 5: able to see those areas of failure. But the legislation
Speaker 5: on its own, it's never going to fix up those mistakes,
Speaker 5: those failuresslutely, So we have to pull in also, which
Speaker 5: is what I'm really proud about. The Green Party are
Speaker 5: pulling in a focus to that legislation that would also
Speaker 5: require the government to pick up the recommendations from the
Speaker 5: Royal Commission inquiry and to state abuse for example, so
Speaker 5: on its own. Yeah, and when the government is failing
Speaker 5: to achieve targets that I'll just say for the Green
Speaker 5: Party weren't even as ambitious as we would have liked,
Speaker 5: but still targets. Nonetheless, when governments are doing the bare
Speaker 5: minimum and not achieving them, I totally get how it
Speaker 5: could seem like a waste of time, but it's why
Speaker 5: we also have to bring in that extra accountability, like
Speaker 5: picking up the recommendations from the review, for example.
Speaker 2: It is quite and it's not the first Royal Commission
Speaker 2: of Inquiry that I've seen, or recommendations made from any
Speaker 2: kind of inquiry that there isn't actually requirement to pick
Speaker 2: up all of the recommendations of.
Speaker 3: This very expensive, very long exercise.
Speaker 5: I mean, why is that and a very event very
Speaker 5: long exercise, a really grounded exercise. I just want to
Speaker 5: make clear for your listeners that that exercise it had again,
Speaker 5: it had survivors first and foremost their expertise. They are
Speaker 5: the biggest specialists in expertise that we could hope for.
Speaker 5: But it had research, It had organizations grounded and doing
Speaker 5: this work for decades. So you would think that the
Speaker 5: least we can do, all together, all MPs across the House,
Speaker 5: is give any government a mandate, come on, pick these up.
Speaker 5: They're not just going to benefit survivors, They're going to
Speaker 5: benefit our entire community. They're going to transform the accountability
Speaker 5: of government to properly center well being, to properly center
Speaker 5: healing responses for people who have been harmed by the
Speaker 5: states system. So you would think this is where I think,
Speaker 5: I plead to the people. Where does the mandate and
Speaker 5: the accountability rarely come from. It comes from the people.
Speaker 5: And you have that to your listeners. You have that
Speaker 5: power with your vote, with your submissions. We know that
Speaker 5: if more people were to realize the power that they
Speaker 5: have in their very own hands, that they could actually
Speaker 5: ensure that governments pick up and make the changes that
Speaker 5: are required to nurture out amidiki.
Speaker 6: I write Chloe Strawbrick to withdraw and apologize for an
Speaker 6: offensive comment made in the House yesterday.
Speaker 2: I won't be doing that, missus, Speaker, and the member
Speaker 2: will leave the house. The eyes are sixty eight, the
Speaker 2: fifty four, the nose of fifty four.
Speaker 6: The motion is agreed, the member will leave the House.
Speaker 2: And lastly, while I was doing my research as well,
Speaker 2: I read your made in speech.
Speaker 3: Obviously, oh my gosh, please.
Speaker 2: Hell, but I also saw that you were kicked out
Speaker 2: of the House after ignoring a warning from the speaker
Speaker 2: not to make a point of order shortly after you
Speaker 2: became an MP. And that was after John Key accused
Speaker 2: Labor of backing rapists and opposition MP's obviously staged a
Speaker 2: walk out, and I thought that was probably a good
Speaker 2: thing to bring up at the moment, because when asked
Speaker 2: about that at the time, you said, there are a
Speaker 2: million rules and the only one I know is the
Speaker 2: one that I broke.
Speaker 3: And you have to be looking at Chloe.
Speaker 2: Right now with some admiration, right like a little renegade
Speaker 2: after your own heart.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, we as a whole caucus stand fully beside Chloe
Speaker 5: because the point is, there is genocide in Gaza. This
Speaker 5: government needs to do everything it can to recognize the
Speaker 5: independent statehood of Palestine. It's not doing that. We stand
Speaker 5: by asking politicians to find their backbone to make sure
Speaker 5: that we as a country are joining hello every other
Speaker 5: blooming country and actually demanding that this genocide stop. The
Speaker 5: Machoponna and Gaza deserve for all of us politicians to
Speaker 5: have a backbone. The reporters, reporters like yourself that have
Speaker 5: been killed over two hundred deserve for us as politicians
Speaker 5: to have a backbone to call for an end to genocide.
Speaker 5: And similarly, I think on record from memory, I think
Speaker 5: I have the record for being kicked out of the
Speaker 5: house in record time shortly like within I think five
Speaker 5: days of becoming an MP, even going into the house
Speaker 5: and again it was to be really clear that the
Speaker 5: no Prime Minisoona was John Ki at the time, has
Speaker 5: a right to throw rape onto the table as a
Speaker 5: political tool, and we in the house women stood up
Speaker 5: to make a point of order to ask him to apologize,
Speaker 5: including some of us as survivors of sexual violence, to
Speaker 5: ask him to apologize for throwing rape across the table
Speaker 5: as a political tool to be used against us. We
Speaker 5: knew that when the speaker was calling for the point
Speaker 5: of order, he said, no more points of order or
Speaker 5: you'll be ours to leave, and I was the first
Speaker 5: one to be as to leave. He'd lost his he'd
Speaker 5: lost his patience by then. I'm proud of making that stand.
Speaker 5: I'm proud of Chloe making the stand on behalf of
Speaker 5: all of us who have a backbone to call for
Speaker 5: an enter genocide. Thanks for joining us, Manama, Thank you,
Speaker 5: Kelda Chelsea.
Speaker 3: Ihur Angirawiti.
Speaker 2: Peters entered into the state care system at just seven
Speaker 2: months old. At the age of sixteen, he spoke about
Speaker 2: his experiences at the Abuse and Care Royal Commission of Inquiry,
Speaker 2: where he chronicled abuse at the hands of his caregivers
Speaker 2: and the struggles of navigating a broken system. By that time,
Speaker 2: had been in seven placements in just six years. Now
Speaker 2: we check in with Ihrangi about what life's been like
Speaker 2: since then and what the process of leaving.
Speaker 3: Ot is actually like.
Speaker 2: So, I Rangy, you spoke about your experiences in care
Speaker 2: at just sixteen years old. How has the transition out
Speaker 2: of state care been for you?
Speaker 7: In some aspects of transition out of what Atimika has
Speaker 7: been positive, but also it has been really hard to
Speaker 7: be able to find the right support for me to
Speaker 7: be able to be on a journey of healing.
Speaker 3: And what kind of support would that be?
Speaker 7: Mental health support, access to finances, being able to be supported,
Speaker 7: to be able to live independently and away from what atimdyke.
Speaker 2: I saw on the aud Automatik website that there's a
Speaker 2: section that basically explains how the agency prepares that arang
Speaker 2: a tahi for leaving care. Now that process is meant
Speaker 2: to begin at the age of fifteen, and it includes
Speaker 2: discussions about their transition but also encouragement to express views,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 3: I mean, did you experience any of this.
Speaker 7: I had a family group conference or a transitions to
Speaker 7: adulthood family group conferences what Ungotimityke likes to call it,
Speaker 7: But to be honest, it wasn't. It wasn't what the
Speaker 7: Act states that it should be. It was more of
Speaker 7: an opportunity for wading Timidi Key to talk about what
Speaker 7: they are doing positively in my life. But at that
Speaker 7: point in my life, what antimoda Ke was not working
Speaker 7: to the best of its ability. And to this point,
Speaker 7: I still agree with many voices saying that what angutomata
Speaker 7: Ki needs to be dismantled and that the provisions of
Speaker 7: Kia need to come back to Farno Hapu and Ewe.
Speaker 7: I meant still has a lot of work to do.
Speaker 7: And back to your question, I was not prepared well
Speaker 7: to leave Kia. If I was prepared well to leave Kia,
Speaker 7: I would have been supported to find alternative accommodation. I
Speaker 7: would have been provided with financial advisors to be able
Speaker 7: to make better financial decisions. They would have supported me
Speaker 7: to get into the workforce. And saying that though I
Speaker 7: am in the workforce, but also that took a lot
Speaker 7: of my own work to be able to be better
Speaker 7: equipped to help our most vulnerable Tamada, Krangtahi and Faro
Speaker 7: involved WITHDKI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I did say that there's also for
Speaker 2: Raga Tahi Marii. It's important to maintain and strengthen their
Speaker 2: fucker papa links to Farno.
Speaker 3: How was your experience with that?
Speaker 7: Well, Order Intimatake says that they have strengthened my connections
Speaker 7: to my fucker pappa, But no, they haven't. It was
Speaker 7: all of the work that I did to reconnect with
Speaker 7: my far No and my fucker Pappa. Like, come on,
Speaker 7: what antomatic, Let's do better for our most vulnerable. These
Speaker 7: are young people who have experienced abuse trauma from early
Speaker 7: years of life. And with the removal of Section seven
Speaker 7: double A from the Order Automatic Act, which is the
Speaker 7: NeSSI Grissi section that allows angitai in Tamataki to be
Speaker 7: provided with connections to fucker Papa, far No, Hapou and Ewe,
Speaker 7: now our intamataki transitioning out of gear will not have
Speaker 7: that crucial support to reconnect with their fucker papa. My
Speaker 7: fucker pappa. Reading through my files was redacted because Autotomatic
Speaker 7: said that it was confidential and it's not appropriate for
Speaker 7: ad angitat to have access to quote unquote sensitive information.
Speaker 7: But that is my fucker papa, not fuck a papa,
Speaker 7: that autotomitic Ke should be redicting because they believe that
Speaker 7: it is sensitive information.
Speaker 5: She's calling for udoing atamari Ki to be stripped of
Speaker 5: its responsibilities.
Speaker 4: Divesting the resources from Audo Automiti Ki into Ewe or
Speaker 4: hpur community lead services that actively support and enhance the
Speaker 4: lives of our young people.
Speaker 3: Is ordering antamidiki for purpose, not at all.
Speaker 4: There are very few of us who have actually made
Speaker 4: it out unscathed. There are very few of us that
Speaker 4: can look back at our childhoods and be happy about them.
Speaker 2: So take me through what happens when you leave care.
Speaker 2: You've been in the system, I believe since seven months old,
Speaker 2: and of course you spoke out at age sixteen, you're
Speaker 2: now nineteen. What kind of level of support does OT
Speaker 2: give you at the moment? What has given you to
Speaker 2: leave care? So you said that there's not much help
Speaker 2: finding suitable accommodation.
Speaker 7: Well, so obviously let's roll this back. There's a Transition
Speaker 7: Support line which their goal is to support young people
Speaker 7: still in care but in the transition space from their
Speaker 7: age sixteen up until twenty five. They work with an
Speaker 7: ungatah up until the age of twenty five. They also
Speaker 7: provide that etre enticement to remain or return to a
Speaker 7: caregiver who that ang a tahe would like that can
Speaker 7: that is legislated up until the age of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 7: So I used ETRR to be able to live with
Speaker 7: my grandfather and be provided with that support where we
Speaker 7: work out in an agreement on how much I pay
Speaker 7: per week. I've also been provided in some cases with
Speaker 7: a maximum of five sessions counseling or midimity support for me.
Speaker 7: That only comes in installments of five sessions because it
Speaker 7: is quote unquote too expensive for the taxpayer to be paying.
Speaker 7: But in my eyes, that is ridiculous. We should be
Speaker 7: provided with the appropriate supports to be able to do
Speaker 7: better and ultimately be safe and stable in our place.
Speaker 7: What atomidiki are also supposed to be providing support to
Speaker 7: itahi in terms of mental health, wellbeing, health and expenses
Speaker 7: that day to day we need to be able to
Speaker 7: live in this world and be independent from the automot
Speaker 7: k system. However, they solely rely on the Ministry of
Speaker 7: Social Development to provide that support or say, have you
Speaker 7: contacted Ministry of Social Development even before what an automatic
Speaker 7: will consider to look at providing the basic needs which
Speaker 7: include food, accommodation, transport costs in case they're as a
Speaker 7: tonguey or a funeral. And yes, I do get that
Speaker 7: what an automot ke need to be careful with their expenditure.
Speaker 7: But these are some of our most vulnerable young people
Speaker 7: that need extra support to be able to live in
Speaker 7: this world.
Speaker 2: And it suffice to say that those young people going
Speaker 2: through care, and yourself included, do have mental health issues
Speaker 2: that need to be addressed.
Speaker 7: One hundred percent our young people, including myself, are vulnerable.
Speaker 7: They've experienced abuse in the early years of life. They've
Speaker 7: also experienced abuse through care. They've also had traumatic uplifts.
Speaker 7: And yes, he need to have wrap around support which
Speaker 7: includes mental health and healthcare funded by Timidake.
Speaker 2: From your experience with Automatiki, do you think everyone that
Speaker 2: works there.
Speaker 3: Cares?
Speaker 7: I believe that there are people within automotic that care,
Speaker 7: but there are also other people who do not care
Speaker 7: about the lives of our most vulnerable and I guess
Speaker 7: that's a culture that needs to change within the ministry
Speaker 7: and I'm hopeful that Dtimdake will change that culture. But
Speaker 7: in saying that, we are seeing a chief executive who
Speaker 7: has come from the Ministry of Defense and Ministry of Justice,
Speaker 7: who is bringing that punitive approach to caring for our
Speaker 7: most vulnerable. I think change needs to start from the top.
Speaker 7: But also I go back to my earlier point that
Speaker 7: what timitike needs to be dismantled and the provisions of
Speaker 7: care need to be provided to Fino, Hapu and Ewei.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joy, no problem. That's it for this episode
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