WEBVTT - Marama Davidson presses for big system change at Oranga Tamariki 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:05.480 Kiyoda. 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:08.800 I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:17.040 daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Since entering 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.880 Parliament ten years ago, Madama Davidson has become a co leader, 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.400 been appointed a minister, and has helped the Greens reach 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:29.320 its largest ever caucus. She's always been a staunch advocate 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.800 for children, so it comes as no surprise that last 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.239 week the Green Party launched an open letter calling on 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.519 the Minister for Children to adopt seven promises to children 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:45.400 in state care so no more tamariki fall into harm. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:47.319 One of those promises is to. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:51.640 Make it a requirement that ranga tamariki give raga tahi 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:57.160 leaving care the support they need to find suitable accommodation. Later, 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:01.520 we'll speak to nineteen year old ihurrangiit Peters about his 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.280 experience in the care system and the challenges he faced. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.319 But first on the Front Page, Matima Davidson joins us 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.240 to discuss what more we need to do to make 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:16.000 sure every child growing up in this country has a 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:17.160 fighting chance. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:21.080 Madam. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.000 When it comes to the seven promises to children in 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:25.760 state care? 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:27.319 Why call for this now? 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:32.440 The government? The system has been failing Tamidikei for so long, 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.200 and we heard about that, right We've heard about that 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:41.160 from survivors, from people who have had generational, bad, harmful impacts. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:43.760 This is the least we can do is call for 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:48.240 more accountability to make sure that the government, any governments, 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.880 are prioritizing the well being of tamidiki, the wellbeing of 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.560 young people and care and the well being of young 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.960 people coming out of care. So this is the Greens 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.120 wanting to put forward a way that ensure that our 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:06.560 system is one that actually does look after and center 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:08.919 and prioritize the well being of tamidiki. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.959 Is ordering a tamidiki not doing that at the moment. 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.560 Do you think, Oh, we have seen from the Royal 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:20.320 Commission of Inquiry into State Care that this has long 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.880 been a system failing tamidiki. But unfortunately we are still 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:30.720 hearing today right now from survivors, from people, from advocates 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.840 that it's still failing timidiki. And so we all owe 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:39.640 it as a country. I know that people care about this. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:44.480 We all owe it to ensure first and foremost well 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:50.520 being Tamidikei. Our funding, our political laws, our decisions. We 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.280 should be choosing to do everything we can to put 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:59.079 their livelihoods first, to make sure far no can support 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.240 and care for their tamidiki and make sure that tamidiki 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.800 in state care are also provided for as well as 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.400 when they come out of state care. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.240 It is pretty disappointing to see that, even after the 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.720 Abuse and Care Royal Commission of Inquiry, that some of 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:19.840 these experiences are still happening to tamidiki and rungtaihi in care. 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:21.799 What do we do? 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:26.320 We need big system change for us start Why don't 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.880 we pick up the recommendations from the report from that 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:34.000 big years and years of work with expertise, receiving and 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:40.000 hearing from directly from survivors sometimes generations of survivors in 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:45.440 families where you know, they also heard from people today 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.480 from frontline community organizations also, So we need to make 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.640 sure that we're picking up the recommendations. How about that 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.120 for a starting point. They did so much work. They 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.320 looked at the research, the evidence, they heard from expertise 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.440 about exactly how systems can properly care. They came up 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.560 with ways, step by step of what we can improve 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.560 in the law and the policy and the practice. How 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.080 about for a starting point, we pick up those recommendations. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.560 What stood out for me in the seven promises is 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.520 this one number three. Every child must be supported every 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.839 step of their journey. Now, I know that you have 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.440 a bill in this sitting at the moment in regards 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:27.880 to actually requiring Auong TAMARII to make sure that a 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.719 person leaving care has suitable accommodation. When I read that, 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.320 I find it amazing that it is not already a requirement. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.599 Right you would think that the least we can do 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:44.440 for these children who have been in the system and 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.720 are coming out of gear young children, that the least 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.680 we can do is provide them with that really basic 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.160 support for the rest of their lives to be able 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:57.680 to flourish. What we are seeing, however, and hearing right now, 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:03.160 is that young people, even with advocates and support workers, 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.159 are being told at every stop, sorry, we cannot help you. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:11.359 There is no emergency housing, there is no way of 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.680 ensuring that you've adequate income. At the same time, we 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.560 are seeing this government drive funding cuts to the very 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.080 frontline community organizations who would try and step in and 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:23.760 fill in that gap. 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.640 Well, who are picking up the slab that's. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.280 It picking up the sack. Just weeks ago, I was 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:34.040 in Autuda one of the most well established respected local 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.680 community hubs or Tuda Youth Hub, who have had their 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.719 funding removed. They were picking up the slack in a big, 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:45.200 real way. So we are seeing the community providers in 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.800 care having their funding cut. But at the same time 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:52.880 government departments have had the political decisions from this current 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.880 government say I'm sorry, we are not going to offer 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:00.200 emergency housing support anymore. I'm sorry the young people going 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.839 to have to be turned away, young people left offend 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.240 for themselves, and they literally are doing that on the 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:09.000 streets and whatever ways they can. So you know that 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:09.640 has to stop. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:11.839 Yeah, and the leaving care process. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.600 You know, I'm privileged enough not to have had to 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:20.800 know anything about more actually researching speaking same day, but 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:25.120 the process on transitioning out of care starts at fifteen 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:29.800 years old. Those are some pretty big conversations and decisions 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.919 to be placed on behalf of a fifteen sixteen year old. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.000 I too, am privileged not to have had to be 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.240 in the care system to have been provided with the 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.359 care that I require. But if we put these barriers 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.960 right at that early stage of not supporting young people 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.680 with housing, with support that is going to set them up, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.440 they are more likely to have challenged for the rest 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.920 of their lives. One of the best things we can do, 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.920 which is what my bill is about, is requiring in 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:06.239 legislation that no young person is to leave care without 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:10.320 appropriate housing and the support that they need. I don't 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:11.840 know how come we have to have a law for this. 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.040 I would have thought this is something we all agree 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.320 to as a community, as a country, but it's not happening, 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.920 and so it's about making the government accountable. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:26.880 How do shambolic cuts to service providers, poor communication with 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:31.240 providers about their contracts, and no assurance about transitioning children 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:36.040 and family to alternative services fit with her stated commitment 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.600 to that child safety is her priority. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.440 Missus Beaker, I actually refused to stand here and be 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.880 lectured by a member of that previous government who made 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.400 absolutely no progress when it came to the safety of 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.920 the well being of our young people. The state of 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.360 ung A Tamodiki when I took over was absolutely disgusting 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.360 and I'm not going to allow that to continue. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.000 I saw some figures from RAS and said that revealed 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.760 that in the first five months of this year ninety 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:10.240 nine children in or Angatamariki Kre have stayed in motels. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:12.040 In what world. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:14.040 Is this okay? 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:21.640 In a world where consecutive and successive governments have depleted 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.040 providing housing as a public good and a human right, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.360 which is what has happened. I am proud that we 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.440 were part of the last government with labor where for 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.920 the first time since the nineteen seventies we were building 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.719 back our public and community housing supply in a rate 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:42.960 that hasn't been seen since the seventies. Good. But this 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.800 government has come in and removed that agenda to ensure 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.880 that there is public housing, we would, for a starting point, 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.600 as the Greens build thirty five thousand more public homes 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.720 in five years, to basically remove everyone from the waiting 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.840 list from the public housing waiting list. That in itself, 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.800 that's why we have children having to be raised in 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.360 motels and emergency accommodation, which none of us want. None 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.000 of us want that it ended up being a stopgap 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.840 measure because we have stopped providing public housing as a 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.360 country and I just can I take us back for 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:25.640 a little sec This was something that the New Zealand society, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.839 I suppose has been really proud of since way back 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.000 in the early sort of from nineteen fifties at least, 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.320 where we decided as a government a duty of care 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.400 would ensure that there is housing for everyone, that it 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:42.560 is affordable in quality, and that is the proud tradition 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.120 I suppose of New Zealand's history of state housing that 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.560 you know we got into I guess through the sort 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:53.920 of the eighties particularly, we started on this real denigration 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.480 of providing that public good, of that responsibility. We started 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.720 selling off state housing. Children living in it tells today 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.720 is a direct consequence of that, and it is shameful. 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.439 It is shameful that as a country we have what 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.720 we need to make sure that no children go without 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.640 a home, go without kai, go without support, but this 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.600 government is choosing not to make the decision to do that. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.720 I know that you've been in Parliament for ten years 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.920 this year, yes, and in November. Actually you're made in 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.640 speech twenty fifteen you said, in my community, people are 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.360 living in homes so filled with mold that it is 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.600 making kids sick. In my community, people are working two 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.280 or more jobs and are still struggling to pay for 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:48.200 the food and that their children need families are literally 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.080 struggling to survive. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.880 And that was ten years ago. Has anything changed? 0:10:54.520 --> 0:11:00.800 Sadly, we are seeing government right now denying people in 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:08.920 adequate income, in effect, cutting minimum wages, in effect. Housing 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:13.280 costs are higher, rental costs are higher, wages are lower, 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.439 and especially for those on the lowest income. So I 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.440 was proud that there was a welfare working group say 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:26.560 a report again, lots of work experts and people at 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.640 the frontline bringing their stories to the table to be 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:34.160 able to show actually the income support provided by government 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.520 is well below the poverty line. How on earth are 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.320 people supposed to get ahead at all? And you had 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:46.120 you had the likes of a former New Zealand Business 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:51.280 Roundtable chair president leader, shall we say, after hearing all 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.800 the submissions and this is this is the point I 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.319 want to be really clear about here. After hearing the 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:00.440 submissions of people trying to do their best with what 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.120 little they had, really trying to do their best, but 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.920 just so clearly inadequate incomes. And you had the New 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:13.600 Zealand former Business chair as part of that committee hearing 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.840 these submissions saying straight up is this not enough? That's 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.800 not enough income. We're not going to end poverty with 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:25.000 this inadequate level of income. So I'm really sad that 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:29.720 governments have chosen to keep people Farno and Tamidiki in poverty. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.800 I'm really proud that the Greens have provided an alternative 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.400 for people to see, actually, we don't have to be 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.000 like this. There is a better way. We've got enough 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.360 in this beautiful country of ours that people care about 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.400 each other, in this beautiful country of ours. We can 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.320 end poverty. We can do it right now. 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.600 I know that there was obviously the Child Poverty Reduction 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:53.040 Act and acted in twenty eighteen. Do you think that 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:57.960 that has actually done anything to alleviate child poverty in 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.559 this country? Because I know that there's a report every year. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.800 The latest one, for example, it's called the Child and 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.800 Youth Strategy, et cetera, et cetera, was released in April 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.720 and it's required under the ass Pretty grim reading. Still, 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.600 we've got experiences of abuse and neglect for children continuing 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:15.199 to be high. 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.520 Material hardship is trending upwards. 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:21.760 More kids are in families on the benefit, Avoidable hospitalizations 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.959 are worse, Educational achievement is worse. I mean, is there 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.320 any point of that legislation or do you think it 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.119 was a bit of a box taking exercise. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.960 Yeah, I can see why people would understandably think that, 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.839 right when the government is doing the bare minimum and 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:40.800 not achieving those targets. The purpose of the legislation is good. 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.440 It is to try and keep governments accountable. So we 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.280 do need to try and have measures, legislation policies to 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.679 keep government accountable. Perhaps without the legislation we wouldn't be 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.880 able to see those areas of failure. But the legislation 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.120 on its own, it's never going to fix up those mistakes, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.360 those failuresslutely, So we have to pull in also, which 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.920 is what I'm really proud about. The Green Party are 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.720 pulling in a focus to that legislation that would also 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.559 require the government to pick up the recommendations from the 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.120 Royal Commission inquiry and to state abuse for example, so 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.920 on its own. Yeah, and when the government is failing 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.920 to achieve targets that I'll just say for the Green 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.240 Party weren't even as ambitious as we would have liked, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:29.120 but still targets. Nonetheless, when governments are doing the bare 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.000 minimum and not achieving them, I totally get how it 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.280 could seem like a waste of time, but it's why 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.760 we also have to bring in that extra accountability, like 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.480 picking up the recommendations from the review, for example. 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:45.040 It is quite and it's not the first Royal Commission 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.200 of Inquiry that I've seen, or recommendations made from any 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.520 kind of inquiry that there isn't actually requirement to pick 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.200 up all of the recommendations of. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.960 This very expensive, very long exercise. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.280 I mean, why is that and a very event very 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.920 long exercise, a really grounded exercise. I just want to 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:09.000 make clear for your listeners that that exercise it had again, 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.720 it had survivors first and foremost their expertise. They are 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.360 the biggest specialists in expertise that we could hope for. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:20.480 But it had research, It had organizations grounded and doing 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.120 this work for decades. So you would think that the 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.400 least we can do, all together, all MPs across the House, 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:32.120 is give any government a mandate, come on, pick these up. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.000 They're not just going to benefit survivors, They're going to 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:39.520 benefit our entire community. They're going to transform the accountability 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:43.160 of government to properly center well being, to properly center 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.400 healing responses for people who have been harmed by the 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:51.320 states system. So you would think this is where I think, 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.480 I plead to the people. Where does the mandate and 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.560 the accountability rarely come from. It comes from the people. 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.560 And you have that to your listeners. You have that 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:06.280 power with your vote, with your submissions. We know that 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:11.520 if more people were to realize the power that they 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.040 have in their very own hands, that they could actually 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.480 ensure that governments pick up and make the changes that 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.480 are required to nurture out amidiki. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.840 I write Chloe Strawbrick to withdraw and apologize for an 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.200 offensive comment made in the House yesterday. 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.240 I won't be doing that, missus, Speaker, and the member 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:38.240 will leave the house. The eyes are sixty eight, the 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.680 fifty four, the nose of fifty four. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.200 The motion is agreed, the member will leave the House. 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.080 And lastly, while I was doing my research as well, 0:16:58.200 --> 0:16:59.560 I read your made in speech. 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:01.240 Obviously, oh my gosh, please. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.760 Hell, but I also saw that you were kicked out 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.600 of the House after ignoring a warning from the speaker 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.480 not to make a point of order shortly after you 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.840 became an MP. And that was after John Key accused 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.119 Labor of backing rapists and opposition MP's obviously staged a 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.560 walk out, and I thought that was probably a good 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.400 thing to bring up at the moment, because when asked 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:21.960 about that at the time, you said, there are a 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.280 million rules and the only one I know is the 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:26.159 one that I broke. 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:31.280 And you have to be looking at Chloe. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.280 Right now with some admiration, right like a little renegade 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:35.160 after your own heart. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:40.000 Absolutely, we as a whole caucus stand fully beside Chloe 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.880 because the point is, there is genocide in Gaza. This 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.520 government needs to do everything it can to recognize the 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.760 independent statehood of Palestine. It's not doing that. We stand 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:57.000 by asking politicians to find their backbone to make sure 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.640 that we as a country are joining hello every other 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.760 blooming country and actually demanding that this genocide stop. The 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.399 Machoponna and Gaza deserve for all of us politicians to 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:13.760 have a backbone. The reporters, reporters like yourself that have 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.760 been killed over two hundred deserve for us as politicians 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.040 to have a backbone to call for an end to genocide. 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:25.680 And similarly, I think on record from memory, I think 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.480 I have the record for being kicked out of the 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:32.960 house in record time shortly like within I think five 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.680 days of becoming an MP, even going into the house 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.000 and again it was to be really clear that the 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.800 no Prime Minisoona was John Ki at the time, has 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.800 a right to throw rape onto the table as a 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:49.520 political tool, and we in the house women stood up 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.240 to make a point of order to ask him to apologize, 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.359 including some of us as survivors of sexual violence, to 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:01.280 ask him to apologize for throwing rape across the table 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:05.240 as a political tool to be used against us. We 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.320 knew that when the speaker was calling for the point 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.520 of order, he said, no more points of order or 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:12.560 you'll be ours to leave, and I was the first 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.800 one to be as to leave. He'd lost his he'd 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.679 lost his patience by then. I'm proud of making that stand. 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.840 I'm proud of Chloe making the stand on behalf of 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.960 all of us who have a backbone to call for 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.560 an enter genocide. Thanks for joining us, Manama, Thank you, 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:34.360 Kelda Chelsea. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:39.320 Ihur Angirawiti. 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.760 Peters entered into the state care system at just seven 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:46.600 months old. At the age of sixteen, he spoke about 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:51.000 his experiences at the Abuse and Care Royal Commission of Inquiry, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.680 where he chronicled abuse at the hands of his caregivers 0:19:54.960 --> 0:20:00.000 and the struggles of navigating a broken system. By that time, 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:05.000 had been in seven placements in just six years. Now 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.000 we check in with Ihrangi about what life's been like 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.120 since then and what the process of leaving. 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.720 Ot is actually like. 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:22.560 So, I Rangy, you spoke about your experiences in care 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:27.600 at just sixteen years old. How has the transition out 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.400 of state care been for you? 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.560 In some aspects of transition out of what Atimika has 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:39.240 been positive, but also it has been really hard to 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:43.040 be able to find the right support for me to 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:44.840 be able to be on a journey of healing. 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:46.880 And what kind of support would that be? 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:55.399 Mental health support, access to finances, being able to be supported, 0:20:55.560 --> 0:21:01.040 to be able to live independently and away from what atimdyke. 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.119 I saw on the aud Automatik website that there's a 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:08.320 section that basically explains how the agency prepares that arang 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.840 a tahi for leaving care. Now that process is meant 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:15.400 to begin at the age of fifteen, and it includes 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:20.000 discussions about their transition but also encouragement to express views, 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:20.440 et cetera. 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:22.560 I mean, did you experience any of this. 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.800 I had a family group conference or a transitions to 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:30.719 adulthood family group conferences what Ungotimityke likes to call it, 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:35.199 But to be honest, it wasn't. It wasn't what the 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.840 Act states that it should be. It was more of 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.080 an opportunity for wading Timidi Key to talk about what 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.399 they are doing positively in my life. But at that 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.880 point in my life, what antimoda Ke was not working 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.639 to the best of its ability. And to this point, 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:56.199 I still agree with many voices saying that what angutomata 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.960 Ki needs to be dismantled and that the provisions of 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.399 Kia need to come back to Farno Hapu and Ewe. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.360 I meant still has a lot of work to do. 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:13.880 And back to your question, I was not prepared well 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:18.840 to leave Kia. If I was prepared well to leave Kia, 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.320 I would have been supported to find alternative accommodation. I 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.480 would have been provided with financial advisors to be able 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.320 to make better financial decisions. They would have supported me 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.400 to get into the workforce. And saying that though I 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:39.480 am in the workforce, but also that took a lot 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:43.080 of my own work to be able to be better 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:48.480 equipped to help our most vulnerable Tamada, Krangtahi and Faro 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.240 involved WITHDKI. 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.320 Yeah, I mean I did say that there's also for 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:57.920 Raga Tahi Marii. It's important to maintain and strengthen their 0:22:58.040 --> 0:22:59.760 fucker papa links to Farno. 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:01.879 How was your experience with that? 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:06.359 Well, Order Intimatake says that they have strengthened my connections 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:09.840 to my fucker pappa, But no, they haven't. It was 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.359 all of the work that I did to reconnect with 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:16.960 my far No and my fucker Pappa. Like, come on, 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:21.639 what antomatic, Let's do better for our most vulnerable. These 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:25.520 are young people who have experienced abuse trauma from early 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:29.879 years of life. And with the removal of Section seven 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.720 double A from the Order Automatic Act, which is the 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:38.000 NeSSI Grissi section that allows angitai in Tamataki to be 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:43.200 provided with connections to fucker Papa, far No, Hapou and Ewe, 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:47.960 now our intamataki transitioning out of gear will not have 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.879 that crucial support to reconnect with their fucker papa. My 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:56.080 fucker pappa. Reading through my files was redacted because Autotomatic 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:59.399 said that it was confidential and it's not appropriate for 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:04.240 ad angitat to have access to quote unquote sensitive information. 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:07.480 But that is my fucker papa, not fuck a papa, 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:10.760 that autotomitic Ke should be redicting because they believe that 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:12.160 it is sensitive information. 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:17.520 She's calling for udoing atamari Ki to be stripped of 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.119 its responsibilities. 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:25.320 Divesting the resources from Audo Automiti Ki into Ewe or 0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:30.600 hpur community lead services that actively support and enhance the 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:31.720 lives of our young people. 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:35.960 Is ordering antamidiki for purpose, not at all. 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.520 There are very few of us who have actually made 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:41.919 it out unscathed. There are very few of us that 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:47.960 can look back at our childhoods and be happy about them. 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.960