1
00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:05,480
Speaker 1: Kiyoda.

2
00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a

3
00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:17,040
Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Since entering

4
00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,880
Speaker 2: Parliament ten years ago, Madama Davidson has become a co leader,

5
00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,400
Speaker 2: been appointed a minister, and has helped the Greens reach

6
00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,320
Speaker 2: its largest ever caucus. She's always been a staunch advocate

7
00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,800
Speaker 2: for children, so it comes as no surprise that last

8
00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,239
Speaker 2: week the Green Party launched an open letter calling on

9
00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,519
Speaker 2: the Minister for Children to adopt seven promises to children

10
00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,400
Speaker 2: in state care so no more tamariki fall into harm.

11
00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,319
Speaker 3: One of those promises is to.

12
00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,640
Speaker 2: Make it a requirement that ranga tamariki give raga tahi

13
00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:57,160
Speaker 2: leaving care the support they need to find suitable accommodation. Later,

14
00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,520
Speaker 2: we'll speak to nineteen year old ihurrangiit Peters about his

15
00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,280
Speaker 2: experience in the care system and the challenges he faced.

16
00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,319
Speaker 2: But first on the Front Page, Matima Davidson joins us

17
00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,240
Speaker 2: to discuss what more we need to do to make

18
00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,000
Speaker 2: sure every child growing up in this country has a

19
00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,160
Speaker 2: fighting chance.

20
00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:21,080
Speaker 4: Madam.

21
00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,000
Speaker 2: When it comes to the seven promises to children in

22
00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:25,760
Speaker 2: state care?

23
00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,319
Speaker 3: Why call for this now?

24
00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,440
Speaker 5: The government? The system has been failing Tamidikei for so long,

25
00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,200
Speaker 5: and we heard about that, right We've heard about that

26
00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:41,160
Speaker 5: from survivors, from people who have had generational, bad, harmful impacts.

27
00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,760
Speaker 5: This is the least we can do is call for

28
00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,240
Speaker 5: more accountability to make sure that the government, any governments,

29
00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,880
Speaker 5: are prioritizing the well being of tamidiki, the wellbeing of

30
00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,560
Speaker 5: young people and care and the well being of young

31
00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,960
Speaker 5: people coming out of care. So this is the Greens

32
00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,120
Speaker 5: wanting to put forward a way that ensure that our

33
00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,560
Speaker 5: system is one that actually does look after and center

34
00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,919
Speaker 5: and prioritize the well being of tamidiki.

35
00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,959
Speaker 3: Is ordering a tamidiki not doing that at the moment.

36
00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,560
Speaker 5: Do you think, Oh, we have seen from the Royal

37
00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,320
Speaker 5: Commission of Inquiry into State Care that this has long

38
00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,880
Speaker 5: been a system failing tamidiki. But unfortunately we are still

39
00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:30,720
Speaker 5: hearing today right now from survivors, from people, from advocates

40
00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,840
Speaker 5: that it's still failing timidiki. And so we all owe

41
00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,640
Speaker 5: it as a country. I know that people care about this.

42
00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,480
Speaker 5: We all owe it to ensure first and foremost well

43
00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,520
Speaker 5: being Tamidikei. Our funding, our political laws, our decisions. We

44
00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,280
Speaker 5: should be choosing to do everything we can to put

45
00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:59,079
Speaker 5: their livelihoods first, to make sure far no can support

46
00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,240
Speaker 5: and care for their tamidiki and make sure that tamidiki

47
00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,800
Speaker 5: in state care are also provided for as well as

48
00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,400
Speaker 5: when they come out of state care.

49
00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,240
Speaker 2: It is pretty disappointing to see that, even after the

50
00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,720
Speaker 2: Abuse and Care Royal Commission of Inquiry, that some of

51
00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:19,840
Speaker 2: these experiences are still happening to tamidiki and rungtaihi in care.

52
00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:21,799
Speaker 2: What do we do?

53
00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,320
Speaker 5: We need big system change for us start Why don't

54
00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,880
Speaker 5: we pick up the recommendations from the report from that

55
00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,000
Speaker 5: big years and years of work with expertise, receiving and

56
00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:40,000
Speaker 5: hearing from directly from survivors sometimes generations of survivors in

57
00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,440
Speaker 5: families where you know, they also heard from people today

58
00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,480
Speaker 5: from frontline community organizations also, So we need to make

59
00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,640
Speaker 5: sure that we're picking up the recommendations. How about that

60
00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,120
Speaker 5: for a starting point. They did so much work. They

61
00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,320
Speaker 5: looked at the research, the evidence, they heard from expertise

62
00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,440
Speaker 5: about exactly how systems can properly care. They came up

63
00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,560
Speaker 5: with ways, step by step of what we can improve

64
00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,560
Speaker 5: in the law and the policy and the practice. How

65
00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,080
Speaker 5: about for a starting point, we pick up those recommendations.

66
00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,560
Speaker 2: What stood out for me in the seven promises is

67
00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,520
Speaker 2: this one number three. Every child must be supported every

68
00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,839
Speaker 2: step of their journey. Now, I know that you have

69
00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,440
Speaker 2: a bill in this sitting at the moment in regards

70
00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,880
Speaker 2: to actually requiring Auong TAMARII to make sure that a

71
00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,719
Speaker 2: person leaving care has suitable accommodation. When I read that,

72
00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,320
Speaker 2: I find it amazing that it is not already a requirement.

73
00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,599
Speaker 5: Right you would think that the least we can do

74
00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,440
Speaker 5: for these children who have been in the system and

75
00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,720
Speaker 5: are coming out of gear young children, that the least

76
00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,680
Speaker 5: we can do is provide them with that really basic

77
00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,160
Speaker 5: support for the rest of their lives to be able

78
00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,680
Speaker 5: to flourish. What we are seeing, however, and hearing right now,

79
00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:03,160
Speaker 5: is that young people, even with advocates and support workers,

80
00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,159
Speaker 5: are being told at every stop, sorry, we cannot help you.

81
00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,359
Speaker 5: There is no emergency housing, there is no way of

82
00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,680
Speaker 5: ensuring that you've adequate income. At the same time, we

83
00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,560
Speaker 5: are seeing this government drive funding cuts to the very

84
00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,080
Speaker 5: frontline community organizations who would try and step in and

85
00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:23,760
Speaker 5: fill in that gap.

86
00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,640
Speaker 3: Well, who are picking up the slab that's.

87
00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,280
Speaker 5: It picking up the sack. Just weeks ago, I was

88
00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:34,040
Speaker 5: in Autuda one of the most well established respected local

89
00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,680
Speaker 5: community hubs or Tuda Youth Hub, who have had their

90
00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,719
Speaker 5: funding removed. They were picking up the slack in a big,

91
00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,200
Speaker 5: real way. So we are seeing the community providers in

92
00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,800
Speaker 5: care having their funding cut. But at the same time

93
00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,880
Speaker 5: government departments have had the political decisions from this current

94
00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,880
Speaker 5: government say I'm sorry, we are not going to offer

95
00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,200
Speaker 5: emergency housing support anymore. I'm sorry the young people going

96
00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,839
Speaker 5: to have to be turned away, young people left offend

97
00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,240
Speaker 5: for themselves, and they literally are doing that on the

98
00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,000
Speaker 5: streets and whatever ways they can. So you know that

99
00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:09,640
Speaker 5: has to stop.

100
00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the leaving care process.

101
00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,600
Speaker 2: You know, I'm privileged enough not to have had to

102
00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,800
Speaker 2: know anything about more actually researching speaking same day, but

103
00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,120
Speaker 2: the process on transitioning out of care starts at fifteen

104
00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,800
Speaker 2: years old. Those are some pretty big conversations and decisions

105
00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,919
Speaker 2: to be placed on behalf of a fifteen sixteen year old.

106
00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,000
Speaker 5: I too, am privileged not to have had to be

107
00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,240
Speaker 5: in the care system to have been provided with the

108
00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,359
Speaker 5: care that I require. But if we put these barriers

109
00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,960
Speaker 5: right at that early stage of not supporting young people

110
00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,680
Speaker 5: with housing, with support that is going to set them up,

111
00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,440
Speaker 5: they are more likely to have challenged for the rest

112
00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,920
Speaker 5: of their lives. One of the best things we can do,

113
00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,920
Speaker 5: which is what my bill is about, is requiring in

114
00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:06,239
Speaker 5: legislation that no young person is to leave care without

115
00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,320
Speaker 5: appropriate housing and the support that they need. I don't

116
00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:11,840
Speaker 5: know how come we have to have a law for this.

117
00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,040
Speaker 5: I would have thought this is something we all agree

118
00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,320
Speaker 5: to as a community, as a country, but it's not happening,

119
00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,920
Speaker 5: and so it's about making the government accountable.

120
00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,880
Speaker 1: How do shambolic cuts to service providers, poor communication with

121
00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,240
Speaker 1: providers about their contracts, and no assurance about transitioning children

122
00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,040
Speaker 1: and family to alternative services fit with her stated commitment

123
00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,600
Speaker 1: to that child safety is her priority.

124
00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,440
Speaker 6: Missus Beaker, I actually refused to stand here and be

125
00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,880
Speaker 6: lectured by a member of that previous government who made

126
00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,400
Speaker 6: absolutely no progress when it came to the safety of

127
00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,920
Speaker 6: the well being of our young people. The state of

128
00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,360
Speaker 6: ung A Tamodiki when I took over was absolutely disgusting

129
00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,360
Speaker 6: and I'm not going to allow that to continue.

130
00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,000
Speaker 2: I saw some figures from RAS and said that revealed

131
00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,760
Speaker 2: that in the first five months of this year ninety

132
00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:10,240
Speaker 2: nine children in or Angatamariki Kre have stayed in motels.

133
00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,040
Speaker 3: In what world.

134
00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,040
Speaker 4: Is this okay?

135
00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:21,640
Speaker 5: In a world where consecutive and successive governments have depleted

136
00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,040
Speaker 5: providing housing as a public good and a human right,

137
00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,360
Speaker 5: which is what has happened. I am proud that we

138
00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,440
Speaker 5: were part of the last government with labor where for

139
00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,920
Speaker 5: the first time since the nineteen seventies we were building

140
00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,719
Speaker 5: back our public and community housing supply in a rate

141
00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,960
Speaker 5: that hasn't been seen since the seventies. Good. But this

142
00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,800
Speaker 5: government has come in and removed that agenda to ensure

143
00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,880
Speaker 5: that there is public housing, we would, for a starting point,

144
00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,600
Speaker 5: as the Greens build thirty five thousand more public homes

145
00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,720
Speaker 5: in five years, to basically remove everyone from the waiting

146
00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,840
Speaker 5: list from the public housing waiting list. That in itself,

147
00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,800
Speaker 5: that's why we have children having to be raised in

148
00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,360
Speaker 5: motels and emergency accommodation, which none of us want. None

149
00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,000
Speaker 5: of us want that it ended up being a stopgap

150
00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,840
Speaker 5: measure because we have stopped providing public housing as a

151
00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,360
Speaker 5: country and I just can I take us back for

152
00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,640
Speaker 5: a little sec This was something that the New Zealand society,

153
00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,839
Speaker 5: I suppose has been really proud of since way back

154
00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,000
Speaker 5: in the early sort of from nineteen fifties at least,

155
00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,320
Speaker 5: where we decided as a government a duty of care

156
00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,400
Speaker 5: would ensure that there is housing for everyone, that it

157
00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,560
Speaker 5: is affordable in quality, and that is the proud tradition

158
00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,120
Speaker 5: I suppose of New Zealand's history of state housing that

159
00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,560
Speaker 5: you know we got into I guess through the sort

160
00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,920
Speaker 5: of the eighties particularly, we started on this real denigration

161
00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,480
Speaker 5: of providing that public good, of that responsibility. We started

162
00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,720
Speaker 5: selling off state housing. Children living in it tells today

163
00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,720
Speaker 5: is a direct consequence of that, and it is shameful.

164
00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,439
Speaker 5: It is shameful that as a country we have what

165
00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,720
Speaker 5: we need to make sure that no children go without

166
00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,640
Speaker 5: a home, go without kai, go without support, but this

167
00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,600
Speaker 5: government is choosing not to make the decision to do that.

168
00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,720
Speaker 2: I know that you've been in Parliament for ten years

169
00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,920
Speaker 2: this year, yes, and in November. Actually you're made in

170
00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,640
Speaker 2: speech twenty fifteen you said, in my community, people are

171
00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,360
Speaker 2: living in homes so filled with mold that it is

172
00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,600
Speaker 2: making kids sick. In my community, people are working two

173
00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,280
Speaker 2: or more jobs and are still struggling to pay for

174
00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,200
Speaker 2: the food and that their children need families are literally

175
00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,080
Speaker 2: struggling to survive.

176
00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,880
Speaker 3: And that was ten years ago. Has anything changed?

177
00:10:54,520 --> 00:11:00,800
Speaker 5: Sadly, we are seeing government right now denying people in

178
00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:08,920
Speaker 5: adequate income, in effect, cutting minimum wages, in effect. Housing

179
00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,280
Speaker 5: costs are higher, rental costs are higher, wages are lower,

180
00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,439
Speaker 5: and especially for those on the lowest income. So I

181
00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,440
Speaker 5: was proud that there was a welfare working group say

182
00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:26,560
Speaker 5: a report again, lots of work experts and people at

183
00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,640
Speaker 5: the frontline bringing their stories to the table to be

184
00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,160
Speaker 5: able to show actually the income support provided by government

185
00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,520
Speaker 5: is well below the poverty line. How on earth are

186
00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,320
Speaker 5: people supposed to get ahead at all? And you had

187
00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,120
Speaker 5: you had the likes of a former New Zealand Business

188
00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,280
Speaker 5: Roundtable chair president leader, shall we say, after hearing all

189
00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,800
Speaker 5: the submissions and this is this is the point I

190
00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,319
Speaker 5: want to be really clear about here. After hearing the

191
00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,440
Speaker 5: submissions of people trying to do their best with what

192
00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,120
Speaker 5: little they had, really trying to do their best, but

193
00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,920
Speaker 5: just so clearly inadequate incomes. And you had the New

194
00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,600
Speaker 5: Zealand former Business chair as part of that committee hearing

195
00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,840
Speaker 5: these submissions saying straight up is this not enough? That's

196
00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,800
Speaker 5: not enough income. We're not going to end poverty with

197
00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:25,000
Speaker 5: this inadequate level of income. So I'm really sad that

198
00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,720
Speaker 5: governments have chosen to keep people Farno and Tamidiki in poverty.

199
00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,800
Speaker 5: I'm really proud that the Greens have provided an alternative

200
00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,400
Speaker 5: for people to see, actually, we don't have to be

201
00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,000
Speaker 5: like this. There is a better way. We've got enough

202
00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,360
Speaker 5: in this beautiful country of ours that people care about

203
00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,400
Speaker 5: each other, in this beautiful country of ours. We can

204
00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,320
Speaker 5: end poverty. We can do it right now.

205
00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,600
Speaker 2: I know that there was obviously the Child Poverty Reduction

206
00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,040
Speaker 2: Act and acted in twenty eighteen. Do you think that

207
00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,960
Speaker 2: that has actually done anything to alleviate child poverty in

208
00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,559
Speaker 2: this country? Because I know that there's a report every year.

209
00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,800
Speaker 2: The latest one, for example, it's called the Child and

210
00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,800
Speaker 2: Youth Strategy, et cetera, et cetera, was released in April

211
00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,720
Speaker 2: and it's required under the ass Pretty grim reading. Still,

212
00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,600
Speaker 2: we've got experiences of abuse and neglect for children continuing

213
00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:15,199
Speaker 2: to be high.

214
00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,520
Speaker 3: Material hardship is trending upwards.

215
00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,760
Speaker 2: More kids are in families on the benefit, Avoidable hospitalizations

216
00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,959
Speaker 2: are worse, Educational achievement is worse. I mean, is there

217
00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,320
Speaker 2: any point of that legislation or do you think it

218
00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,119
Speaker 2: was a bit of a box taking exercise.

219
00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see why people would understandably think that,

220
00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,839
Speaker 5: right when the government is doing the bare minimum and

221
00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,800
Speaker 5: not achieving those targets. The purpose of the legislation is good.

222
00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,440
Speaker 5: It is to try and keep governments accountable. So we

223
00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,280
Speaker 5: do need to try and have measures, legislation policies to

224
00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,679
Speaker 5: keep government accountable. Perhaps without the legislation we wouldn't be

225
00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,880
Speaker 5: able to see those areas of failure. But the legislation

226
00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,120
Speaker 5: on its own, it's never going to fix up those mistakes,

227
00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,360
Speaker 5: those failuresslutely, So we have to pull in also, which

228
00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,920
Speaker 5: is what I'm really proud about. The Green Party are

229
00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,720
Speaker 5: pulling in a focus to that legislation that would also

230
00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,559
Speaker 5: require the government to pick up the recommendations from the

231
00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,120
Speaker 5: Royal Commission inquiry and to state abuse for example, so

232
00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,920
Speaker 5: on its own. Yeah, and when the government is failing

233
00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,920
Speaker 5: to achieve targets that I'll just say for the Green

234
00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,240
Speaker 5: Party weren't even as ambitious as we would have liked,

235
00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,120
Speaker 5: but still targets. Nonetheless, when governments are doing the bare

236
00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,000
Speaker 5: minimum and not achieving them, I totally get how it

237
00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,280
Speaker 5: could seem like a waste of time, but it's why

238
00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,760
Speaker 5: we also have to bring in that extra accountability, like

239
00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,480
Speaker 5: picking up the recommendations from the review, for example.

240
00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:45,040
Speaker 2: It is quite and it's not the first Royal Commission

241
00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,200
Speaker 2: of Inquiry that I've seen, or recommendations made from any

242
00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,520
Speaker 2: kind of inquiry that there isn't actually requirement to pick

243
00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,200
Speaker 2: up all of the recommendations of.

244
00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,960
Speaker 3: This very expensive, very long exercise.

245
00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,280
Speaker 5: I mean, why is that and a very event very

246
00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,920
Speaker 5: long exercise, a really grounded exercise. I just want to

247
00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:09,000
Speaker 5: make clear for your listeners that that exercise it had again,

248
00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,720
Speaker 5: it had survivors first and foremost their expertise. They are

249
00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,360
Speaker 5: the biggest specialists in expertise that we could hope for.

250
00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,480
Speaker 5: But it had research, It had organizations grounded and doing

251
00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,120
Speaker 5: this work for decades. So you would think that the

252
00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,400
Speaker 5: least we can do, all together, all MPs across the House,

253
00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,120
Speaker 5: is give any government a mandate, come on, pick these up.

254
00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,000
Speaker 5: They're not just going to benefit survivors, They're going to

255
00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,520
Speaker 5: benefit our entire community. They're going to transform the accountability

256
00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,160
Speaker 5: of government to properly center well being, to properly center

257
00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,400
Speaker 5: healing responses for people who have been harmed by the

258
00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,320
Speaker 5: states system. So you would think this is where I think,

259
00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,480
Speaker 5: I plead to the people. Where does the mandate and

260
00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,560
Speaker 5: the accountability rarely come from. It comes from the people.

261
00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,560
Speaker 5: And you have that to your listeners. You have that

262
00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,280
Speaker 5: power with your vote, with your submissions. We know that

263
00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,520
Speaker 5: if more people were to realize the power that they

264
00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,040
Speaker 5: have in their very own hands, that they could actually

265
00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,480
Speaker 5: ensure that governments pick up and make the changes that

266
00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,480
Speaker 5: are required to nurture out amidiki.

267
00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,840
Speaker 6: I write Chloe Strawbrick to withdraw and apologize for an

268
00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,200
Speaker 6: offensive comment made in the House yesterday.

269
00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,240
Speaker 2: I won't be doing that, missus, Speaker, and the member

270
00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,240
Speaker 2: will leave the house. The eyes are sixty eight, the

271
00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,680
Speaker 2: fifty four, the nose of fifty four.

272
00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,200
Speaker 6: The motion is agreed, the member will leave the House.

273
00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,080
Speaker 2: And lastly, while I was doing my research as well,

274
00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,560
Speaker 2: I read your made in speech.

275
00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,240
Speaker 3: Obviously, oh my gosh, please.

276
00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,760
Speaker 2: Hell, but I also saw that you were kicked out

277
00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,600
Speaker 2: of the House after ignoring a warning from the speaker

278
00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,480
Speaker 2: not to make a point of order shortly after you

279
00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,840
Speaker 2: became an MP. And that was after John Key accused

280
00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,119
Speaker 2: Labor of backing rapists and opposition MP's obviously staged a

281
00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,560
Speaker 2: walk out, and I thought that was probably a good

282
00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,400
Speaker 2: thing to bring up at the moment, because when asked

283
00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,960
Speaker 2: about that at the time, you said, there are a

284
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,280
Speaker 2: million rules and the only one I know is the

285
00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,159
Speaker 2: one that I broke.

286
00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,280
Speaker 3: And you have to be looking at Chloe.

287
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,280
Speaker 2: Right now with some admiration, right like a little renegade

288
00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,160
Speaker 2: after your own heart.

289
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:40,000
Speaker 5: Absolutely, we as a whole caucus stand fully beside Chloe

290
00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,880
Speaker 5: because the point is, there is genocide in Gaza. This

291
00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,520
Speaker 5: government needs to do everything it can to recognize the

292
00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,760
Speaker 5: independent statehood of Palestine. It's not doing that. We stand

293
00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:57,000
Speaker 5: by asking politicians to find their backbone to make sure

294
00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,640
Speaker 5: that we as a country are joining hello every other

295
00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,760
Speaker 5: blooming country and actually demanding that this genocide stop. The

296
00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,399
Speaker 5: Machoponna and Gaza deserve for all of us politicians to

297
00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,760
Speaker 5: have a backbone. The reporters, reporters like yourself that have

298
00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,760
Speaker 5: been killed over two hundred deserve for us as politicians

299
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,040
Speaker 5: to have a backbone to call for an end to genocide.

300
00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,680
Speaker 5: And similarly, I think on record from memory, I think

301
00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,480
Speaker 5: I have the record for being kicked out of the

302
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,960
Speaker 5: house in record time shortly like within I think five

303
00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,680
Speaker 5: days of becoming an MP, even going into the house

304
00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,000
Speaker 5: and again it was to be really clear that the

305
00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,800
Speaker 5: no Prime Minisoona was John Ki at the time, has

306
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,800
Speaker 5: a right to throw rape onto the table as a

307
00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,520
Speaker 5: political tool, and we in the house women stood up

308
00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,240
Speaker 5: to make a point of order to ask him to apologize,

309
00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,359
Speaker 5: including some of us as survivors of sexual violence, to

310
00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,280
Speaker 5: ask him to apologize for throwing rape across the table

311
00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,240
Speaker 5: as a political tool to be used against us. We

312
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 5: knew that when the speaker was calling for the point

313
00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 5: of order, he said, no more points of order or

314
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,560
Speaker 5: you'll be ours to leave, and I was the first

315
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 5: one to be as to leave. He'd lost his he'd

316
00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,679
Speaker 5: lost his patience by then. I'm proud of making that stand.

317
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 5: I'm proud of Chloe making the stand on behalf of

318
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,960
Speaker 5: all of us who have a backbone to call for

319
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 5: an enter genocide. Thanks for joining us, Manama, Thank you,

320
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:34,360
Speaker 5: Kelda Chelsea.

321
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 3: Ihur Angirawiti.

322
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 2: Peters entered into the state care system at just seven

323
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 2: months old. At the age of sixteen, he spoke about

324
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 2: his experiences at the Abuse and Care Royal Commission of Inquiry,

325
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 2: where he chronicled abuse at the hands of his caregivers

326
00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 2: and the struggles of navigating a broken system. By that time,

327
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 2: had been in seven placements in just six years. Now

328
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 2: we check in with Ihrangi about what life's been like

329
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,120
Speaker 2: since then and what the process of leaving.

330
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 3: Ot is actually like.

331
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 2: So, I Rangy, you spoke about your experiences in care

332
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 2: at just sixteen years old. How has the transition out

333
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 2: of state care been for you?

334
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 7: In some aspects of transition out of what Atimika has

335
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 7: been positive, but also it has been really hard to

336
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 7: be able to find the right support for me to

337
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 7: be able to be on a journey of healing.

338
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,880
Speaker 3: And what kind of support would that be?

339
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 7: Mental health support, access to finances, being able to be supported,

340
00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 7: to be able to live independently and away from what atimdyke.

341
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 2: I saw on the aud Automatik website that there's a

342
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: section that basically explains how the agency prepares that arang

343
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: a tahi for leaving care. Now that process is meant

344
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 2: to begin at the age of fifteen, and it includes

345
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: discussions about their transition but also encouragement to express views,

346
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 2: et cetera.

347
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 3: I mean, did you experience any of this.

348
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 7: I had a family group conference or a transitions to

349
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,719
Speaker 7: adulthood family group conferences what Ungotimityke likes to call it,

350
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 7: But to be honest, it wasn't. It wasn't what the

351
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 7: Act states that it should be. It was more of

352
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 7: an opportunity for wading Timidi Key to talk about what

353
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 7: they are doing positively in my life. But at that

354
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 7: point in my life, what antimoda Ke was not working

355
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 7: to the best of its ability. And to this point,

356
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 7: I still agree with many voices saying that what angutomata

357
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 7: Ki needs to be dismantled and that the provisions of

358
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 7: Kia need to come back to Farno Hapu and Ewe.

359
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 7: I meant still has a lot of work to do.

360
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 7: And back to your question, I was not prepared well

361
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 7: to leave Kia. If I was prepared well to leave Kia,

362
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 7: I would have been supported to find alternative accommodation. I

363
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 7: would have been provided with financial advisors to be able

364
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 7: to make better financial decisions. They would have supported me

365
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 7: to get into the workforce. And saying that though I

366
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 7: am in the workforce, but also that took a lot

367
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 7: of my own work to be able to be better

368
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 7: equipped to help our most vulnerable Tamada, Krangtahi and Faro

369
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 7: involved WITHDKI.

370
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I did say that there's also for

371
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 2: Raga Tahi Marii. It's important to maintain and strengthen their

372
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: fucker papa links to Farno.

373
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 3: How was your experience with that?

374
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 7: Well, Order Intimatake says that they have strengthened my connections

375
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 7: to my fucker pappa, But no, they haven't. It was

376
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 7: all of the work that I did to reconnect with

377
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 7: my far No and my fucker Pappa. Like, come on,

378
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 7: what antomatic, Let's do better for our most vulnerable. These

379
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 7: are young people who have experienced abuse trauma from early

380
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 7: years of life. And with the removal of Section seven

381
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 7: double A from the Order Automatic Act, which is the

382
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 7: NeSSI Grissi section that allows angitai in Tamataki to be

383
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 7: provided with connections to fucker Papa, far No, Hapou and Ewe,

384
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 7: now our intamataki transitioning out of gear will not have

385
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 7: that crucial support to reconnect with their fucker papa. My

386
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 7: fucker pappa. Reading through my files was redacted because Autotomatic

387
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 7: said that it was confidential and it's not appropriate for

388
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 7: ad angitat to have access to quote unquote sensitive information.

389
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 7: But that is my fucker papa, not fuck a papa,

390
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 7: that autotomitic Ke should be redicting because they believe that

391
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 7: it is sensitive information.

392
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 5: She's calling for udoing atamari Ki to be stripped of

393
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 5: its responsibilities.

394
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 4: Divesting the resources from Audo Automiti Ki into Ewe or

395
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 4: hpur community lead services that actively support and enhance the

396
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 4: lives of our young people.

397
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 3: Is ordering antamidiki for purpose, not at all.

398
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 4: There are very few of us who have actually made

399
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 4: it out unscathed. There are very few of us that

400
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 4: can look back at our childhoods and be happy about them.

401
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: So take me through what happens when you leave care.

402
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: You've been in the system, I believe since seven months old,

403
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: and of course you spoke out at age sixteen, you're

404
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: now nineteen. What kind of level of support does OT

405
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: give you at the moment? What has given you to

406
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 2: leave care? So you said that there's not much help

407
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: finding suitable accommodation.

408
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 7: Well, so obviously let's roll this back. There's a Transition

409
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 7: Support line which their goal is to support young people

410
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 7: still in care but in the transition space from their

411
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 7: age sixteen up until twenty five. They work with an

412
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 7: ungatah up until the age of twenty five. They also

413
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 7: provide that etre enticement to remain or return to a

414
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 7: caregiver who that ang a tahe would like that can

415
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 7: that is legislated up until the age of twenty twenty one.

416
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 7: So I used ETRR to be able to live with

417
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 7: my grandfather and be provided with that support where we

418
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 7: work out in an agreement on how much I pay

419
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 7: per week. I've also been provided in some cases with

420
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 7: a maximum of five sessions counseling or midimity support for me.

421
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 7: That only comes in installments of five sessions because it

422
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 7: is quote unquote too expensive for the taxpayer to be paying.

423
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 7: But in my eyes, that is ridiculous. We should be

424
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 7: provided with the appropriate supports to be able to do

425
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 7: better and ultimately be safe and stable in our place.

426
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 7: What atomidiki are also supposed to be providing support to

427
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 7: itahi in terms of mental health, wellbeing, health and expenses

428
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 7: that day to day we need to be able to

429
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 7: live in this world and be independent from the automot

430
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 7: k system. However, they solely rely on the Ministry of

431
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 7: Social Development to provide that support or say, have you

432
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 7: contacted Ministry of Social Development even before what an automatic

433
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 7: will consider to look at providing the basic needs which

434
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 7: include food, accommodation, transport costs in case they're as a

435
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,239
Speaker 7: tonguey or a funeral. And yes, I do get that

436
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 7: what an automot ke need to be careful with their expenditure.

437
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 7: But these are some of our most vulnerable young people

438
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 7: that need extra support to be able to live in

439
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 7: this world.

440
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: And it suffice to say that those young people going

441
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: through care, and yourself included, do have mental health issues

442
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: that need to be addressed.

443
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 7: One hundred percent our young people, including myself, are vulnerable.

444
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 7: They've experienced abuse in the early years of life. They've

445
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 7: also experienced abuse through care. They've also had traumatic uplifts.

446
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 7: And yes, he need to have wrap around support which

447
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 7: includes mental health and healthcare funded by Timidake.

448
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 2: From your experience with Automatiki, do you think everyone that

449
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: works there.

450
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: Cares?

451
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 7: I believe that there are people within automotic that care,

452
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 7: but there are also other people who do not care

453
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 7: about the lives of our most vulnerable and I guess

454
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 7: that's a culture that needs to change within the ministry

455
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 7: and I'm hopeful that Dtimdake will change that culture. But

456
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 7: in saying that, we are seeing a chief executive who

457
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 7: has come from the Ministry of Defense and Ministry of Justice,

458
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 7: who is bringing that punitive approach to caring for our

459
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 7: most vulnerable. I think change needs to start from the top.

460
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 7: But also I go back to my earlier point that

461
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 7: what timitike needs to be dismantled and the provisions of

462
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 7: care need to be provided to Fino, Hapu and Ewei.

463
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: Thanks for joy, no problem. That's it for this episode

464
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: of the Front Page. You can read more about today's

465
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: stories and extensive news coverage at enzidherld dot co dot nz.

466
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: The Front Page is produced by Jane Ye and Richard Martin,

467
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: who is also our editor. I'm Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe to

468
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: The Front Page on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts,

469
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: and tune in tomorrow for another look behind the headlines.