1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: This weekend all blacks in South Africa first test post 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: the Leon McDonald era, if you can call a few 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: games an era anyway, Ellis Park record will show South 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: Africa's one nine of the fifteen and fallback of Boden 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: Barrett is with us. Good morning, good evening, How are 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: you very well? Indeed, take us through the week. How's 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: it been. 8 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: It's been a great week so far. One time in 9 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: here over here, but it's still very hot during the day, 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: and it's dry, and we're at altitude and Johannesburg, so 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 2: training's gradually intensified as we've gone along. But yeah, we're 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: building nicely. 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: How long does it take you, if it takes you 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: anytime at all to adjust to altitude? 15 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't think you'll ever adjust fully. Even 16 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: for the South Africans having a home advantage, they'll be 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: still suffering a little bit at altitude, There's no doubt 18 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: about that. Just obviously a lot harder to breathe than 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: you get guess really quickly. So the ball also travels 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: probably ten twenty percent further. All these things to weigh up. 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: How does that go? 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 2: So? 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: How much time do you adjust your practice during the 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: week one in practicing kicking to touch and two catching 25 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: a high ball. 26 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously it hans up there a little bit longer, 27 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: so your timing, like you say, we have to adjust 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: to that. We get plenty of reps in but general 29 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: kicking out of hands, even passing just little things that's 30 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: just increased by by ten or twenty percent. So yeah, 31 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: we're slowly. We have an overtrained early on in the week, 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 2: but we trained a good clip today and really felt 33 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: our lungs burning. So yeah, we don't want to overtrain early, 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: especially after travel. But by the time we hit the 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: ground on Saturday, are we ready to go? 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: And how much do you reckon? This weekend is about 37 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: So you take the altitude, you take elis park, the crowd, 38 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: you take the rivalry, all of that. How much of 39 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: that's in your head as opposed to the physicality of 40 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: just training and this is another game. 41 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the biggest challenge of these test matches is 42 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: when it gets really tough being able to look up, 43 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: see the space and be able to communicate it. So, yeah, 44 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: we're driving our big boys to get up off the deck, 45 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: give ourselves options to play for wherever the space is 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: because it's going to be the same for both teams. 47 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: It's whoever wants to work really hard, and in our 48 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: previous experience here we show that when we use the 49 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: ball in the back and the latter part of the games, 50 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: that's where we really broke them open. So it's going 51 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: to be a twenty three man efit, that's for sure, 52 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: and it's probably going to go to the eightieth minute 53 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: if we really want it. 54 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: Speaking of you, it's speaking which when they name a 55 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: team as they did yesterday, does anything within you change? 56 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: I mean the players change week to week. Does that 57 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: affect you in any way, shape or form. Giving you're 58 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: at the back of the field, you can see it all. 59 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: I guess for us if there are changes, it's getting 60 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: used to the different combinations. But that's why we've practiced 61 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: throughout the week. We become familiar with one another and 62 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 2: the game plan they want to play. But in terms 63 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: of their strategy, typically they pick an extra ford on 64 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: the bench and go for two backs on the bench. 65 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: So that's a sign of them wanting to be physical 66 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: upfront and roll on their big boys early on in 67 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: the second half and make a statement. But I'm sure 68 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: our big boys will handle it and it's going to 69 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: be an interesting one to see how that goes. Hopefully 70 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 2: not too many scrubs and line out males, and there'll 71 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: be a good brand of rugby. 72 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: Fact that it's in the daylight making any difference to. 73 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: You, it's great playing afternoon. The climate's great over here. 74 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: Five o'clock kickoffs, so it'll start off being funny and 75 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: then the end of the game it'll be nighttime, but 76 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: it's the perfect time. 77 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been out enough to get a vibe? 78 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: I mean, are the All Blacks still revered in that 79 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: part of the world. Is there's still that fizz between 80 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: two of the great nations. 81 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: There's plenty of fids here in Johannesburg, is going to 82 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: be even more in Cape Town. Our support there is phenomenal, 83 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: and all the places that we travel to in the world, 84 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: it's probably the biggest in Cape Town and we've really 85 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: felt it here too, So no doubt when we drive 86 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: to Alice Park we'll get all those Yeah, they'll be 87 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: right into us, getting stuck in. It's pretty hostile place 88 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: to play, and we'll certainly feel the energy from the crowd, 89 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: and no doubt they'll try and dron out the Huckers, 90 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: So it's all probably if not, you know, one of 91 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: the best places to be tested in the arena, and 92 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 2: I'm obviously lucky enough to give another opportunity there. 93 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly do they deserve currently the hype that's 94 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: behind them? Are they really that good? 95 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: Yes, they've been dominant for two cycles now, winning the 96 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: World Cup in twenty and nineteen and twenty three. They've 97 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: got a very experienced squad and some big boys who 98 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: they know what they're doing. They play a game plan 99 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 2: that really suits them. But I think we'll see that evolve. 100 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: Tony Brown's there helping them out, so I think you'll 101 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: see a little bit of expansion to their game, and 102 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: particularly with their selections. I've got some very exciting backs. 103 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, you'll see them express themselves on the weekend, 104 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: which we've got to be aware of. 105 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: But we're up the challenge fantastic. I haven't talked to 106 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: you since the changes. What do you make of Razor? 107 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: Do you love them? 108 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: He's a great guy and the team that he's got 109 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: working with him, it's pretty impressive. We're still working each 110 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 2: other out and becoming familiar with certain things, but it's 111 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: been a good start, and yeah, there's no doubt that 112 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 2: everyone knows the success that he's had, and yeah it's 113 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: a privilege and I'm happy to be working with them. 114 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: Fantastic, the All Blacks Bowden by how many. 115 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: Guys, I'll take it by one three? Fair When South 116 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: excur against this current side is going to be a 117 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: great outcome for us, So you have no doubt we're 118 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: backing ourselves. Don't get me wrong. It's going to be 119 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: a tough game, but we believe that we can do it. 120 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: Good on him, go well, Boden Barrap out of South 121 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: Africa for us this morning, Let's make a phone call 122 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: to a winner in a moment. For more from the 123 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks it'd be 124 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.