1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: I got a brewing scrap over migrant workers. One in 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: six employers are not approaching MSD to recruit to unemployed. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: New Zealand is now the Minister, Erica Stanford is now 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: suggested we do hope she got her luggage, don't we? 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: We checked up on that? Was there a follow up? 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: There's a classic follow up there didn't check on that. 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: Journalism is not what it used to be. I mean 8 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: she gave us the scoops. She arrived in Australia yesterday 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: with no luggage and had to go to a night 10 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: and day. Surely a natural follow up is there if 11 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: you're any sort of journalist. But obviously it didn't happen. 12 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Where was I. They're now suggesting employers could have their 13 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: accreditation revoked. Tobias two Hill is the board director of 14 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: the New Zealand Association for Migration and Investment and as 15 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: with US, Tobias morning, good morning. This is an old issue, 16 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean this has been sort of angsty 17 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: back and forward for years. Is something material happened to 18 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: something different now? This time around. 19 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: The Minister has said that any employer who doesn't engage 20 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: with THEMSD is going to have their accreditation, revoked accreditations 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: and youth and in the last few years where employers 22 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: have to be sort of vetted by immigration's yelling to 23 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 2: be allowed to bring in migrant workers and have them 24 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: work with them. 25 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Okay, do you think she's good to her word and 26 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: therefore this will work and you will now have to 27 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: go and look for some locals. 28 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: It's a problematic approach because the employer may have a 29 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: contact a MSD but not done it correctly, or may 30 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: have not matched up what they've done in their job 31 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: ad with what's been listed with MSD and then get 32 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: knocked on the head for that. That's a job check 33 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: applications to set process. The accreditation affects all of their staff, 34 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: all of their moment workers. So it seems a little 35 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: bit unfair to lose accreditation for a company. It's just 36 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: not really engaged with MSD correctularsd's. 37 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: Not so it's technical as opposed to I mean, what 38 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: we caught me old fashioned, But I mean, do you 39 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: not just put an it out and say we're looking 40 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: for a warehouse person and the applications come in and 41 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: some of them might be from foreigners, some of them 42 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: might be locals, and if there aren't the locals, you 43 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: get a foreigner. Is it not that simple? 44 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: It has been as simple in the past. It's more 45 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: complicated than that now, Okay, rules around it. Well, you 46 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: want employers to engage with mist, you want to get 47 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: new zealandersn't work, especially with this hig unemployment. But if 48 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: employers are in somewhere like Ashburston and they've advertised and 49 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: they've got one applicant for three months, and they've done 50 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: it three times and then they content MIST and miss 51 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: doesn't get back them for two weeks ago, Well we've tried, 52 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: and then let's a job check and then get told well, 53 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: you didn't do it correctly, so you lose your creditation. 54 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: You can't employ them. 55 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: Is that a real world scenario? You've just given us 56 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: the MSD don't get back to you. Is that an issue? 57 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 2: I've got employers who content mist got work breakers. The 58 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: guy's on holiday, he's the person normally deals with them. 59 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: Three weeks later, they haven't heard anything yet. 60 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, possible, Okay, so what happened to the real world? Look, 61 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get what a remissy even doing 62 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: involved in the other If I'm unemployed, right, why aren't 63 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: I out there hustling getting a job myself. Why do 64 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: I need a government department to kick me up the ars? 65 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not in mist so's to answer that one. 66 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: I know some work breakers worked really hard. I know 67 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: some employers are. You're getting stuff from MSTD for the 68 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: first time in years at the moment, which is fantastic. 69 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: And I've got employers have gone through this process, engaged 70 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: in missin and actually played stuff, which they're really happy about. 71 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: On the other hand, MISD just wants anyone to get 72 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: into any job. They don't always match up the person's 73 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: skills with the employer's needs. So and often employees are 74 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: very specific needs, or they've got a job in a 75 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: location which people don't want to move to. 76 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: That's why I've got somebody with employers, because I mean, 77 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: it's all very well saying, look there' one hundred and 78 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: twenty thousand unemployed in New Zealanders. But you don't want 79 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: the clown who doesn't want to be there, do you? You 80 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: want someone who's keenan into it and you don't care 81 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: where they come from. 82 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. My brother worked in apples for years in 83 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: the Hawks Bay, and everyone they got from MSD wasn't 84 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 2: fit enough to do the job. Sometimes people are bound 85 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: long term unemployees need a hand and back into work 86 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: gradually rather than dumping them in a short term, hard 87 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: physical job. But meatworks or apples or something like that. 88 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: If you could run the world to bias, would you 89 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: if I go? I know, wouldn't it be cool if 90 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: you could? If you could, would you just simply have 91 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: people coming into the country who can do the job. 92 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter where they come from or what you know. 93 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: As long as they're good at what they do, that's 94 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: what we should be aiming for. 95 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: Look, since you asked, my view is that we should 96 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: open up migration with the Pacific, with Micronesia. Fiji's a 97 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: million people, so you know it. Graduate is there, but 98 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: Thomas Amoa there's huge workforces, the strong backs desire to work. 99 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: We've got an open border with Cook Islands and it 100 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: doesn't crash our economy. It helps both countries and graize 101 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: skill levels in both countries, helps money go back for 102 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: development there. And I think New Zealand's got forgive me 103 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: for a moment, but New Zealand's got a real shortage 104 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: of people growing at the moment, this is high unemployment, 105 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: but each peak of unemployment gets lower and shorter. We 106 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: go back to skill shortagees faster because we're aging as 107 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: a population like the whole developed world, and we need 108 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: we need population to tax base to keep our industries 109 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: in our services going, but also to maintain our country 110 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 2: a longer term. And I think the Pacific's the closest 111 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: to us can culture and location. 112 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: Well said, couldn't agree with you. More Tobias tofil I 113 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: don't think you've ever had him on the program before, 114 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: but we'll get him back. He's my kind of man. 115 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: Since you asked HI. 116 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 117 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: news Talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 118 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.