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Speaker 1: Well, it really has been quite the spectacle in the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days that he was not for help

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Speaker 1: once again, the Chagos Islands become a debating point. Macron

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Speaker 1: has apparently decided that Trump's incursion epic fury is illegal.

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Speaker 1: Censious says it's illegal, but Starmer's I mean, God knows

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Speaker 1: where Starmer's been.

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Speaker 2: British jets are shooting down drones and missiles to protect

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Speaker 2: American lives in the Middle East on our joint basis.

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Speaker 2: That is the special relationship in action, sharing intelligence every

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Speaker 2: day to keep our people safe. That is the special

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Speaker 2: relationship in action. Hanging on to present Trump's latest words

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Speaker 2: is not the special relationship.

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Speaker 1: Right, very good morning.

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Speaker 3: To you, good balling to you, mate.

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Speaker 1: He is no Winston Churchill. I think Trump had that

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Speaker 1: right in me.

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Speaker 3: Except absolutely right. And I think nothing has defined Starmer's

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Speaker 3: premiership more than this, which is U turn, U turn

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Speaker 3: and robotic rebuttals of what he is accused of. So

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Speaker 3: at first he refused to let the USA use basis

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Speaker 3: to bomb Iran, and then he considered to allow them

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Speaker 3: to do it, and then said it was nothing to

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Speaker 3: do with offensive action, copped a whole load of appalling

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Speaker 3: abuse from America, including comments from Trump, and is now

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Speaker 3: saying this is a special relationship. It's difficult for Starma

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Speaker 3: because this is the one area where he was successful,

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Speaker 3: which was treading, yeah, which was treading that line between

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Speaker 3: you know, keeping Trump on side and staying sane, and

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Speaker 3: that's gone exactly, that has gone.

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Speaker 1: So when he went to Washington, he took the letter

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Speaker 1: of the invite from the case any massage the ego

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Speaker 1: brilliantly and that is quite right. And so suddenly there

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Speaker 1: was this special relationship and Trump had a great time

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Speaker 1: at the Palace and all that sort of stuff. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, what we've learned from Trump is you're either

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Speaker 1: on his side permanently or you're the enemy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, and Trump may be a bully and

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Speaker 3: maybe a thug whatever, but nonetheless that was part of

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Speaker 3: Britain's policy, which was the state of his side. And

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Speaker 3: we're now on his side. But down the list we're

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Speaker 3: probably between Shibouti and Laus.

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Speaker 1: Did anybody, I mean, given what Sanchiez has said, Macrons

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Speaker 1: backed him up. When Starmer talked about well, I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to go to war or be involved with this

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Speaker 1: if I wasn't convinced of the legality in being convinced

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Speaker 1: of the legality. Who convinced him? Or is that just

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Speaker 1: just flash talk for a U turn.

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Speaker 3: It's just stracal for U turn. The truth is, you know,

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Speaker 3: Irana's spunks of terrorism against England, against the UK, against

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Speaker 3: the USA, against Saudi Iraania, against Israel, and has continued

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Speaker 3: to do so for years now. That may not constitute,

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Speaker 3: as far as the UN is concerned, a private fess

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Speaker 3: evidence to go to war, but in the real world

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Speaker 3: it kind of does. And it's certainly a lot more

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Speaker 3: convincing than the evidence we had in two thousand and

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Speaker 3: three when Labor went to war against Iraq. So I

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Speaker 3: don't think the great problem I have with all this

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Speaker 3: is not really that it's incompetent, but that it's im moral.

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Speaker 3: You know, there is no moral basis to the statis taking.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, mind you, we've talked about that before and lack

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Speaker 1: of I don't know. The name is that joany Re

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Speaker 1: Johnny read the Scottish MP.

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Speaker 3: Who's husband y Yeah, yeah, that's the way you pronounce it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So she is she a major as I mean,

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Speaker 1: this partner of hers, that's apparently been rounded up as

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Speaker 1: a spy for China. What's the outfall of this?

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Speaker 3: No, No one's heard of the woman. She's a Scottish

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Speaker 3: labor Repee Reid and her household has been arrested as

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Speaker 3: part of this spying ring. Investigation by the police about

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Speaker 3: people who are spying for China A big deal. You

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Speaker 3: might think I have one or two doubts about it all.

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Speaker 3: But nonetheless I'll tell you, Mike, when you hear a

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Speaker 3: statement like this from Joony Reid talking about her spouse

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Speaker 3: Dayy Tail, that has been arrested. Neither I nor my

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Speaker 3: children are part of this investigation, and we should not

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Speaker 3: be treated by media organizations as though we are. Above all.

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Speaker 3: I expect media organizations to respect my children's privacy. It

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Speaker 3: makes me hate her, what I mean? I had some

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Speaker 3: sympathy because I have my doubts about this confected sort

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Speaker 1: By the way, since we last talked, just briefly, Rachel

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Speaker 1: gave her update on the coming Spring document and announced

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Speaker 1: that there were no more Texas and she had some

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Speaker 1: growth forecasts. The growth forecast I looked out to twenty

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Speaker 1: seven to twenty eight. None of them seemed very good.

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Speaker 1: Did she sell it to a point that people would go,

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Speaker 1: I think things were a little bit bit clearly she's

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Speaker 1: onto something or as things as bad as I suspect

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Speaker 3: Economically, I think underneath seems are as bad as you

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Speaker 3: suspect they are. But I think that on the surface

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Speaker 3: there has been a slout change, and I think you

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Speaker 3: see that in the bi election results. You see in

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Speaker 3: the figures which talk about immigraration lowered massively over the

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Speaker 3: last year. There is a change of home in this

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Speaker 3: country away from the people who loathe labor and reform

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Speaker 3: and actually tilting further left. I don't think Rachel Reeves

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Speaker 3: has endeared herself to the country, but she may not

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Speaker 3: have harmed labors standing much more with this spring budget.

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Speaker 3: What's it?

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Speaker 1: This? Rabies things? How is this possible? What's going on here?

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Speaker 3: Rabies? Mike? What the hell? What the hell? Just though

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Speaker 3: it used to this stuff. No, it's a poor British

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Speaker 3: orbanyd Ford who was scratched by a dog in Morocco

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Speaker 3: and no one knew what was wrong with her. She

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Speaker 3: got worse and worse and worse and eventually died. It's

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Speaker 3: just a reminder it's the first death from rabies in

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Speaker 3: this country god knows how many years, and a reminder

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Speaker 3: that other countries still have rabies around. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: do you guys have it?

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Speaker 1: No, well, not not that I'm to have lately.

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Speaker 3: No. Well you haven't got any mammals.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the other nine. Yeah, we're we're moderately isolated.

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Speaker 1: But there's a there's a bee that comes here periodically

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Speaker 1: and we get a bit of exercise. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: what the bee is or the bug or some something,

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Speaker 1: but apart from that, I think we're okay. Rod.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, listen, you're across the stories ed.

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Speaker 1: Hundred percent on. Your mate knows to talk to you. Rod,

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Speaker 1: Little out of Britain swrnning brew Dog by the way,

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Speaker 1: which if you ever been to Britain you'll know about

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Speaker 1: brew Dog. They ran into tremendous amounts of trouble. They'd

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Speaker 1: looked like they were going under. They've been saved to

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Speaker 1: a degree, but not everyone's been saved. They bought the company,

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Speaker 1: bought the tilray, bought the brewing operations, brought the brand,

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Speaker 1: bought eleven pubs, thirty three million pounds, but they preserved

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Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty three jobs, but four hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty four jobs and thirty eight bars have not been saved.

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