1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: PMS and Canberra of course, two day blitz of Australia. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Yesterday it was infrastructure in New South Wales. Today it's 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: probably the fire boh Ones. Political editor Jason Walls up 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: early morning, mate, Yeah, good morning, makee I'm bored witness 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: by this fire, oh Ones. I mean going going to 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: camber Togain elbow, elbow, elbow. I mean he's been hoisted 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: by his own petard. They had the tremendous issue of 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: all the people getting let out of jail. He's back down. 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: That's the end of it. You can ask till you're 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: blue in the face, nothing's changing. Is that fair? 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely fair. And to be honest, a 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: lot of us know that there's not going to be 13 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: a lot that will probably change coming out of today's 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: meaning between Luxeon and Anthony ALBERANIZI. But Chris Luxon needs 15 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: to appear like he's doing something. This is a hot 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: topic for both New Zealand and Australia for different reasons. 17 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: I mean, the key is we're not pleased with this 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: policy that Australia have, but Australia think that it's absolutely fine. 19 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: And when it comes down to it, Alba is always 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: going to bow to his domestic pressure rather than from 21 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: pressure from little old New Zealand. 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, the low wo We Institute speech are much 23 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: more interested in. How bullish if that's the right word, 24 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: was Luxon last night on China the problems in the 25 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: Indo Pacific and how worried is he and is this 26 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: sort of worth thinking about? 27 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: I think that's probably the highlight of the trip, if 28 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: I'm honest. I mean it's his first major foreign policy speech, 29 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: so there were high expectations and there was a view 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: that it might be a complete flop and a clete fizzer. 31 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: But Luxon actually did quite a good job about carving 32 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: out what he thought his position of New Zealand was 33 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: in the world, and talking about a number of other 34 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: issues as well. When it came to things in the Pacific, 35 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: he was quite, as you say, quite bullish about that 36 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: and outlining a number of concerns for the region and 37 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: the tensional issues, and of course when it came to 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: China as well, he used some pretty interesting language. He said, 39 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: the difference in values and systems of government mean that 40 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: there are issues on which we cannot and will not 41 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: agree in it as far I think as he's actually 42 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: gone publicly and saying that about that relationship with China. 43 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: The things that we cannot and will not agree on is. 44 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: There's some reported to the mornings this morning suggesting he 45 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: used the Ukraine example and that could happen in our backyard. 46 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: Was it that specific or not. 47 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: Well, it's what his It was in the Q and 48 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 2: a session of the speech at the Loewy Institute, where 49 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: that's essentially what he said. He had said something similar 50 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: when he was in NATO last month as well, essentially 51 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: saying that this flashpoint that we've seen in Ukraine can 52 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: basically happen anywhere, including our region in the Pacific. So 53 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: it was one of those things that you can read 54 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: into it quite strongly and say, well, hang on a second, 55 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: what is it that you're actually saying here, And we 56 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: pushed them on it in the press conference afterwards, and 57 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 2: he slightly backed down a little bit, moved away from 58 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: saying that it was anything as cold or as intricate 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: as what is happening in the Europe at the moment, 60 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: but it was very clear that he is, you know, 61 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: he's worried about some tensions in the specific. 62 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: As he should be Jason go well today. I appreciate 63 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: it very much. Jason Willtower run political leader across the Testament. 64 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: Will he's across the Testment, but he's our political leader 65 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: on both sides of the Testment. That's how good he is. 66 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 67 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 68 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.