1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, Prime Mins to Christoph Luxan Is with us. 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning, Mike. How are you very well? Indeed, 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: thank you? The Supreme Court decision yesterday overruling the Appeal Court. 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: What do you do just carry on with the law 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: as you're looking to reamend it? 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously it was a very 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: quick decision, given we had appealed the decision of the 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: Court of Appeal as well, and the Supreme Court came 9 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: back very very quickly, frankly decision and it came out 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: like yesterday. It actually takes a bit of time to 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: go through those rulings to really understand exactly the nature 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: of it, and then Goldsmith or Godsmith will take some 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: time just to digest that and then obviously have more 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: to say about it in due course. 15 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: But in saying something about it in due course, does 16 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: that change the way you were looking to put the 17 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: twenty eleven back the way it was or not? 18 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I mean for your listeners, essentially, you know, 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: we had a rule, you had a law pass in 20 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: Parliament twenty eleven. The Court of Appeal interpreted that law 21 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: in a way that lowered the threshold, which we felt 22 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: didn't get the balance right between the legitim Ministress of 23 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: all Key Weeks and also Malori Customery title. And that's 24 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: why we were actually legislating over the top to bring 25 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 2: it back in line with what Parliament intended that law 26 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: to be, and that was the process we're going down. Obviously, 27 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: we've had the Supreme Court overturn the Court of Appeal, 28 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: which is a positive thing, but we just need to 29 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 2: digest exactly and go through the detail of that ruling 30 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: to understand exactly what their decision has been. 31 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: Well, the decision apart does anything else, is unanimous. Does 32 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: that mean the Appeal Court is activist and needs to 33 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: be told their activists? So we're not wasting god knows 34 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: how many millions of dollars going back and forward and 35 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: run around circles. 36 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: Well, as you know, under committee, I won't be commenting 37 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: on anything around the judiciary, but what I'd say is yes, 38 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: I mean, it was good to see the Supreme Court 39 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: come back very quickly given the appeal. It was a 40 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: very fast decision. I think it was within ten days 41 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: of the appeal being put in and it is a 42 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: unanimous decision. But as you know, when you get these 43 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: rulings and we only got it, you know, yesterday afternoon 44 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: or something. It just there's is a lot to it, 45 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: and I just need Paul to actually take some time 46 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: to digest it and work out what that means for 47 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: US legislation. 48 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: Reported to this morning, the Defense Force, the operating deficit 49 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: is looking at three hundred and fifty million in the 50 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: wrong way next year. Is that true? And more importantly, 51 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: where's your defense review at? Yeah? 52 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: Look, I haven't been briefed on their budget spending. I 53 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: expect all agencies to work within budgets, obviously, and we 54 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: know we need to spend more on defense. The challenge here, 55 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 2: Mike is we need to spend more on defense ultimately, 56 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: but I want to put good money into a good strategy. 57 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: And we're in a place where we've actually have new 58 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: heads of Army, Navy, Air Force, new chief, new deputy chief, 59 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: new Secretary of Defense, new minister obviously, and I've asked 60 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: all seven of those leaders to say, right as a 61 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: new team, I want to see a good strategy that 62 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: actually we can invest in over the long term, that 63 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: actually builds capability for New Zealand. And we're very clear 64 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: about where we're going to invest and where we're not 65 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: going to invest, and once we've got a good strategy, 66 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: we can obviously tip more money into it over time, 67 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: and we certainly that is out. We put more money 68 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: in at the budget as you saw in budget twenty four. 69 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: We're very open to spending more on defense. But it's 70 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: a good case of if you're going to put good 71 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: money into, you need to be good money into a 72 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: good strategy. And that's my task of the Defense force. 73 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: And so where is it that because it's all it 74 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: was due. It's ovid you, isn't it. 75 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: No, no, no, We said that early next year would 76 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: be fine, but actually they'll be making good progress that 77 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: we're working our way through those conversations and in fact, 78 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: we've had a number of very good sessions on it recently, 79 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: so you know they've got a good plan emerging. And 80 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: you know what I'm interested in is the choices of 81 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: where we're going to make those investments to build expertise 82 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: and capability that New Zealand can bring an add to 83 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: its alliance. 84 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: Relationships as well. So part of the expert good things 85 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: like the sorry sorry I was going to say, would 86 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: some of the expertise be the ability to know what 87 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: auto pilot is well. 88 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: Look incredibly frustrating for everybody involved, and frustrating for us 89 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: as well as you would understand. But I thought the Navy, 90 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: in fairness, the new Admiral and the Chief of Navy 91 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: actually did a very good job fronting and that court. 92 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: What else I mean, I watched it. I watched. I mean, 93 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: I thought you were unduly kind yesterday. I watched that 94 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: briefing on Friday with his extended pointer. Where do you 95 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: even buy an extendable pointer from? For God's sake, tailor, 96 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: He's got a photo of two thrusters and he's pointing 97 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: at the thrusters telling me that when auto pilots on 98 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: the thrusters don't work, really, come on, Well, I just 99 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: say to you, Mike, he is a good man, and 100 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: he surely is. I mean, he's a brand new Chief 101 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: of Navy. 102 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: He stepped into this issue right from day one, owned it, 103 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: fronted it. We put a very number two up there 104 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: in Samoa. He's been working incredibly well cleaning up what 105 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: is a an unfortunate accident be caused by human error. 106 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: Incredibly frustrating for everybody, get it. But it's the question 107 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: of now, what do you do about it and next 108 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: to say the well that they'll work their way through 109 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: that ass as he said in the first quarter of 110 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 2: next year. I just think the Court of Inquiry process 111 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: has been run very very well. It's a very rigorous, 112 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: very robust process, and it's been very transparent and very 113 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: straight up. 114 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: Are we going to look at in any serious way, 115 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: shape or form backing oil and gas to go find 116 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: oil and gas as per the letter written to Shane Jones. 117 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I saw that yesterday. I understand Shane's received 118 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: advice on that or getting advice on that. We haven't 119 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: made any decisions about that. We have obviously made a 120 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: decision we want to reverse the ban on oil and gas, 121 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: and that's important because we're importing a hell of a 122 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 2: lot of Indonesian coal rather than you're trying to drive 123 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: domestic gas, which would be a hell of a lot 124 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: better for greenhouse gas emissions and also for our energy security. 125 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 2: But with particularly, I know Shane's taken advice or receiving 126 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: advice on it, but we certainly haven't had a conversation 127 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 2: about that or any discussion. 128 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: Are you open to it as a concept? As I 129 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: raise it with you this morning, it seems I assume 130 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: they're trying it on because I mean, you know, if 131 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: we're just going to foot the bill for every person 132 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: to come into the country and do whatever they want 133 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: to do, we're going to go broke. And we already 134 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: are broke. 135 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think our real focus will be making sure 136 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: that we're doing the rig tree things that give certainty 137 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: and clarity about the regime going forward. You know, essentially 138 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: when you go kill oil and gas and the way 139 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: the previous government did, that just sends a chilling effect 140 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: right through the investment community. Say cheapest, you know, the 141 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: rules can change at any point in time, and why 142 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: would I invest for something that you know I might 143 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: need a fifteen or twenty year payback before I get 144 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: the return. So, you know, what we've got to do 145 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: is just you know, again, get the adults in the room, 146 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: get it gripped up, and be really clear to those 147 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 2: investors as to what the regime is going to be 148 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: and how it will be going forward. So and I 149 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: even heard, you know, I think Hipkins saying the other 150 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 2: day that you know, it's something that he wouldn't rush 151 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: to overturn once he's implemented anyway, And so you know 152 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: that that's I mean, it's crazy that they did overturn it, 153 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: you know, because that was like end oil and gas 154 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: and no plan, Okay, what comes next? And essentially that 155 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: just led to massive importation of coal and restop domestic 156 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: gas production, which is just you know, not think through 157 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: second third order consequences of a bumper slogan. And that's 158 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: a decision. So you do. 159 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: You know what's happened at Soular zero. 160 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: Look very little there, I mean women And the reason 161 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: is essentially this New Zealand Green Investment Fund, which actually 162 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: has put significant capital committed to Solar zero, operates at 163 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: an arm's length from government. I mean the key thing 164 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: is this is a massive shop for folk when you 165 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: think about it, I mean there's one hundred and sixty 166 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: employees there. This was a significant solar energy compan I 167 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: think they had forty percent market share from memory and 168 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: it's you know, it's been unable to be continue trading 169 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: and therefore liquid aittors been appointed. So massive shock for 170 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: people impacted by it. But also the New Zealand Green 171 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: Investment Fund, which was sure the previous government set up 172 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: as an arm's length thing, has obviously committed capital to it. 173 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: Our ministers are meeting with them again later this week 174 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: to gain confidence that all the steps are being taken 175 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: that can be taken. 176 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: But as part of what worries me though, is part 177 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: of the problem in our fascination with renewables. Is it 178 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: entirely possible that we're just not up for solar at 179 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: this scale and we're wasting our time and one hundred 180 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: and fifteen million dollars a twen exployers money. Or is 181 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: sol a zero just a bad business? Yeah? 182 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: I don't really know mic on that because I think, 183 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: you know, you actually need to sort of what happens 184 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: now when you point liquidators is a you know, they 185 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: go off and look at their legal and the insolvency 186 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: advisors come back with a report to say what's a 187 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: company specific you know, it could be massive issues with 188 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: the business model that's cause the problem. This was a 189 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: sort of a subscription model as I understood it, versus 190 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: and up you know, people didn't spend money on the 191 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: upfront capital cost per se. So there's a whole bunch 192 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: of things in there that I just don't know where 193 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: that balance sits between is it a structural problem or 194 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: is it actually fundamentally. 195 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: We need to get you one hundred and fifteen of 196 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,599 Speaker 1: our yeah dollars correct. 197 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: Significant amount of capital committed. 198 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Speaking of money, the French, you're here at CRL. 199 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: Do you know what the problem is and is serious? 200 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: Not that I haven't been briefed on that at all. 201 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: Don't you want to be it's the biggest infrastructural project 202 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: in the country. 203 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well I would like to know that at 204 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: the first I've heard about it, but it hasn't come 205 00:08:58,840 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: to my desk. 206 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: This on who's running your office? For goodness sake, there's 207 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: a massive hole in blood underneath Auckland. Businesses have gone 208 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: bust for years. On the end, the thing is two, 209 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 1: if not three times over budget. It's years behind it. 210 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: The French are lying into the country because they're Bugget 211 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: what's going on? I asked the Prime Minister, and you don't. 212 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: Know, No, like you framed the question in a way 213 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,599 Speaker 2: that said that there's something I know about CRL and 214 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: what's going on with this? 215 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: Well, what's gone wrong? Why are the French here? 216 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: Well I don't know why the French are here, but 217 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: you'll have to have CRL that point of view. But talking, 218 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 2: we need to get this project. This project's been going 219 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: on forever and ever. Damn weell needs to come to 220 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: a close and get finished and get sorted and we 221 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: need to move on. But between the CRL but also 222 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: we've done some good work on that Central Interceptor and 223 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: Auckland too. We're through water Care by restructuring water Care 224 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: and getting it separate from the Council so that Wayne 225 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: Brown didn't have to take his rates up twenty six 226 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: percent as well. 227 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: Is why And I asked you this at the time, 228 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: why didn't you sack Sarah fit when you had the 229 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: opportunity at far MEC. 230 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, those are just decisions for the Farmac board. Yeah, 231 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: but you put a new chair in yep, Paul a minute, 232 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: and then we. 233 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: Got patch trouble as of yesterday. We had culture problems previous, 234 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: and I said, why don't She's clearly and they are 235 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: clearly not the right people for the job and they're 236 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: all causing more troubles. 237 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: Well, the bit that I control is actually the board 238 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: and the governance of far Mec, and that's an appointment 239 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: that the government makes and we've done that through appointing 240 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: a new chair. That'll be a decision for the chair 241 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: and the board. 242 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: Okay, good to talk to you. You're back on Friday, 243 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: aren't you. 244 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to my friend. 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