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Speaker 2: Get Au Great kiwis So Podcast one two five. Madi

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Speaker 2: was not here today. In his own words, he had

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Speaker 2: a very important event to MC and nobody else would do.

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Speaker 2: It had to be Mett Heath, so he was away

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Speaker 2: today and this thing was sort of out ages ago,

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Speaker 2: so fair enough. I mean he did stamp me up,

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Speaker 2: and that's typical Matt Heath. But we had a great

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Speaker 2: chat about community attendance and community spirits on the back

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Speaker 2: of David Seymour saying that it's up to all of us,

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Speaker 2: particularly dairy owners, to get kids back to school, give

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Speaker 2: them a kick in the button and say, oh, shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be buying any premo during school hours. Get back to school.

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Speaker 2: So that was a good discussion. Then great in depth

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Speaker 2: chat about tiny holmes, but a confusion about tiny homes

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Speaker 2: is it a granny flat? Is it a structure? So

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Speaker 2: we got pretty deep on that. Then I d some

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Speaker 2: of my own dirty laundry, so to speak. I've got

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Speaker 2: a neighbor who loves to burn stuff in the backyard.

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Speaker 2: Nice neighbors, elderly neighbors. So we had a good chat

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Speaker 2: about backyard fires and are you into your backyard fires?

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Speaker 2: The brazy is okay, and I think we came to

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Speaker 2: the conclusion that braziers were okay. And I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go get one right now each So thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: those good things. And because Maddie's not here, I'll say it,

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Said me, well, get a to you. Welcome into the

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Speaker 2: show on this Thursday afternoon. I hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 2: We're heavy listening in the country. Great to have your

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Speaker 2: company as always, So no Madie today. I've got a

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Speaker 2: statement here that he wanted me to read in his absence.

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Speaker 2: So it says that he is m seeing a very

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Speaker 2: very important event and apparently no one else could do

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Speaker 2: it or would do it. So he is away from

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Speaker 2: us for one day only. He'll be back with us tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: but I will be flying solo for this Thursday afternoon

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Speaker 2: and matter. If you're listening, mate, hope the gig goes

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Speaker 2: well and we'll catch you again tomorrow. On to today's show.

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Speaker 2: After three o'clock. If you've ever felt like you've been

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Speaker 2: stuck behind someone doing well under the speed limit for

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Speaker 2: no discernible reason, apparently you're not alone. In fact, you've

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Speaker 2: now got research on your side. A new global study

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Speaker 2: has revealed how average driving speeds very across the globe,

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Speaker 2: with New Zealand ranking outside the top one hundred fastest

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Speaker 2: driving countries. So by analyzing long distance and urban driving

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Speaker 2: speeds across one hundred and forty countries, to study uncovered

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Speaker 2: that the average long distance driving speed in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: puts US at one hundred and one in the global rankings.

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Speaker 2: North America we talk out first, and second, the US

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Speaker 2: had an average speed of one hundred and nine k's

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Speaker 2: want to have a chat about this? Are we a

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Speaker 2: Has that got a part to play as well? After

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Speaker 2: two o'clock a growing number of tiny homes on wheels

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Speaker 2: To me? It would surely fit within the granny flat arena,

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Speaker 2: Pat Newman on her show last night. Here's a little

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Speaker 2: bit of what he said. We're parents, we're grandparents.

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Speaker 3: Why can't we if we see snotty little Johnny working

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Speaker 5: It would be really nice. And we were getting that.

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Speaker 2: So is that something that we have lost in society

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Speaker 2: news talks 'b.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you just highly here today. Matt

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Speaker 2: But we're talking about the decline of communities around the country,

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Speaker 2: but also the responsibility that we do or do not have,

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Speaker 2: as upstanding citizens of a neighborhood and community to step

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Speaker 2: the dairy owner should turn around to that child and say, no,

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Speaker 2: it's school hours. You should be at school. I'm not

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Speaker 2: couple of texts coming through Tyler, what a load of bs.

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Speaker 2: Let kids be kids, and this one I think a

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Speaker 2: And I think that is a big part of it.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Eight hundred

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, it reflects back on the parents, and you

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Speaker 7: can't blame the kids because it appearance guiding the kids

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Speaker 7: And you know it, really you were a fixed on them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a fair point, Barry. But do you

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Speaker 2: You're quite right. There are unfortunately many kids out there

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Speaker 7: But it's this neighborhood got to do with the parents.

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Speaker 2: Well, mean, my argument barriers where it used to be

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Speaker 2: but when I was a child, you knew your neighbors.

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Speaker 2: And if you were seeing wagging school or out and

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Speaker 7: The idea was the appearance are responsible.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 9: The mass exodus continues, driven largely by young New Zealanders.

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Speaker 10: Well it is.

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Speaker 12: That seventy thousand in one year and.

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Speaker 9: And what worries Miss Sick is their young people. We

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Speaker 2: B afternoon to you twenty three past one. Do we

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Speaker 2: David Seymour thinks we should, and he got some support

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Speaker 1: Hey, hey doing Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Very good to check with you, my friend. What's your

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm just talking about your your previous caller. There

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Speaker 13: That is the community thing.

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Speaker 13: If we all contribute together, because you know, a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, Richard, but I do question

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Speaker 13: There's probably a way to do that but we won't

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Speaker 2: Put on you for doing that, Richard. So so the

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Rayleen. And we're talking about truancy

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Speaker 2: That you don't know your neighbors anymore, that you're not

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Speaker 2: Am I just looking at the pass through rose tinted glasses.

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Speaker 15: Get Unquestionably, there has been an erosion of this concept

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Speaker 15: social cohesion, which is indispensable in the context of economic development,

434
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Speaker 15: for example. But because their very high levels of social cohesion,

435
00:23:11,973 --> 00:23:16,013
Speaker 15: strong sense of community, those tend to be the nation's

436
00:23:16,213 --> 00:23:22,493
Speaker 15: least affected by crime and anti social behavior. So this

437
00:23:22,813 --> 00:23:28,693
Speaker 15: thing is very well illustrated if you want to pursue

438
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Speaker 15: it further. I told people to google Lequan news Ten

439
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Speaker 15: Rules for Success, in which Leeqwan New lays out for

440
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Speaker 15: ten rules for success. Number one, called Chasing the Rainbow,

441
00:23:43,733 --> 00:23:48,733
Speaker 15: is pertinent to what we're discussing and Lequan New he

442
00:23:48,933 --> 00:23:51,893
Speaker 15: noted that the people of Singapore had become very used

443
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Speaker 15: to high economic growth year after year, with the result

444
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Speaker 15: that people tend to become primarily concerned with their own

445
00:24:00,373 --> 00:24:05,253
Speaker 15: and their families economic success, and he warns that this

446
00:24:05,333 --> 00:24:09,813
Speaker 15: is very dangerous because what is it's more important is

447
00:24:10,013 --> 00:24:12,933
Speaker 15: the well being of society as a whole. And he

448
00:24:13,093 --> 00:24:17,973
Speaker 15: deplaused this change and attitude, and he specifically was it

449
00:24:18,013 --> 00:24:19,533
Speaker 15: is very very dangerous.

450
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Speaker 2: But didn't we used to have that? John? I mean fairpoint.

451
00:24:23,453 --> 00:24:26,773
Speaker 2: And Singapore is long held up as an example of

452
00:24:26,853 --> 00:24:30,973
Speaker 2: doing many things right, not everything, but many things very successfully.

453
00:24:31,013 --> 00:24:34,293
Speaker 2: But we used to have a strong community spirit. Or

454
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Speaker 2: am I looking back with roast and glasses? Am I

455
00:24:37,213 --> 00:24:40,333
Speaker 2: living in Lala Land? That was my experience grown up

456
00:24:40,933 --> 00:24:43,533
Speaker 2: that you did know your neighbors and community, and the

457
00:24:43,653 --> 00:24:46,053
Speaker 2: school was a central pillar of that community. And if

458
00:24:46,093 --> 00:24:48,733
Speaker 2: you weren't there, it wouldn't take long to figureate you

459
00:24:48,733 --> 00:24:51,573
Speaker 2: a wagon and your parents got involved and all helpro

460
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Speaker 2: loose as it should have.

461
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Speaker 16: For sure.

462
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Speaker 15: Will you ask if this can be brought back? The

463
00:24:57,893 --> 00:25:02,333
Speaker 15: answer is yes, because there's no community spirit in Singapore

464
00:25:02,733 --> 00:25:07,373
Speaker 15: before Lequad you arrived on the scene. But as recently suggested,

465
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Speaker 15: one of the the instruments shown in nation after nation

466
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Speaker 15: be effective in this context is national service. And if

467
00:25:17,253 --> 00:25:20,933
Speaker 15: we had in this country young for example, Jimmy Hohepper

468
00:25:21,253 --> 00:25:25,013
Speaker 15: who's wagging school ands on, he's at age eighteen, he's

469
00:25:25,093 --> 00:25:28,613
Speaker 15: thrown in with the likes of say Young jumped up

470
00:25:28,733 --> 00:25:33,133
Speaker 15: and titled Parlane McFarlane from Paradise Drive and they've all

471
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Speaker 15: got to work together towards a common goal. But you

472
00:25:37,413 --> 00:25:41,373
Speaker 15: see the dominant philosophy since particularly since nineteen eighty four,

473
00:25:41,573 --> 00:25:48,853
Speaker 15: is the ruthless pursuit of individual success to the detriment

474
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Speaker 15: of the sense of community. And as Liqua New wants

475
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Speaker 15: on that reference, there's ten rules for success. If you

476
00:25:57,973 --> 00:26:02,973
Speaker 15: google will probably come up Liquan New on democracy, Christianity

477
00:26:03,013 --> 00:26:06,813
Speaker 15: and leadership. But he spells out in no uncertain terms

478
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Speaker 15: the extreme danger of this way of thinking. And if

479
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Speaker 15: you look at the Nordic nations, the striking feature is

480
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Speaker 15: there very high levels of social cohesion. And in the

481
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Speaker 15: economic context. If New Zealand is to transition from a

482
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Speaker 15: down to your low wage, middle income agricultural export nation

483
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Speaker 15: up to a highly egalitarian, high income nation, which it

484
00:26:31,173 --> 00:26:34,253
Speaker 15: could be, one of the requisites is you've got to

485
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Speaker 15: have a very high level of social cohesion.

486
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Speaker 2: John, thank you very much for your thoughts, really appreciated.

487
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Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you want to

488
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Speaker 2: respond to John's thoughts about the community spirit and the

489
00:26:45,493 --> 00:26:48,693
Speaker 2: decline of community spirit in New Zealand and maybe taken

490
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Speaker 2: a leave at a Singapore's book. You're more than welcome.

491
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Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

492
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Speaker 2: Get a carl, you know, totally here, you go, very good.

493
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Speaker 2: So you're a good man to Chetto. So you have

494
00:27:00,493 --> 00:27:02,733
Speaker 2: been had a bit of a struggle with truancy.

495
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Speaker 17: Is that right?

496
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Speaker 10: Yeah? Yeah, I've done. I've just been going on for

497
00:27:08,973 --> 00:27:11,293
Speaker 10: a year and a half now and I've just emailed

498
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Speaker 10: David Seymour Usterday and the Minister of Educations and the

499
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Speaker 10: Minister of Children. I lost custody of my daughter a

500
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:26,493
Speaker 10: year and a two years ago and then over time

501
00:27:26,813 --> 00:27:29,773
Speaker 10: she hasn't been attending school for the last year and

502
00:27:29,813 --> 00:27:33,573
Speaker 10: a half. Basically, I have two other children and my

503
00:27:33,813 --> 00:27:37,933
Speaker 10: care one's got one hundred percent tendency and one's about

504
00:27:38,013 --> 00:27:42,733
Speaker 10: ninety eight at the moment. The thing that really annoys

505
00:27:42,813 --> 00:27:44,813
Speaker 10: me is, you know, there's well to talk about it,

506
00:27:44,853 --> 00:27:47,933
Speaker 10: but there's no action. I've spent days and days on

507
00:27:47,973 --> 00:27:54,533
Speaker 10: the telephone to different organizations now, Police, Ministry of Education,

508
00:27:55,853 --> 00:28:02,093
Speaker 10: o T you know, talking to youth aide officers, you know,

509
00:28:02,173 --> 00:28:05,653
Speaker 10: and just trying to get someone to prosecute, and it's

510
00:28:05,653 --> 00:28:12,693
Speaker 10: just they're just not interested her. She was sturdy when

511
00:28:13,253 --> 00:28:17,413
Speaker 10: I lost custody of her. So she's coming up fifteen

512
00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:24,733
Speaker 10: next month and she's not living with her mother. She's

513
00:28:24,813 --> 00:28:28,213
Speaker 10: living on a farm. She's out there looking for a job,

514
00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:32,253
Speaker 10: trying to get a job. Her mother has serious mental

515
00:28:32,253 --> 00:28:38,773
Speaker 10: health issues. You know, the judge Johannah Ellis gave her

516
00:28:38,813 --> 00:28:42,293
Speaker 10: custody back then, which was the wrong thing to do.

517
00:28:42,573 --> 00:28:45,093
Speaker 10: And you know, this is a situation I'm dealing with now.

518
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Speaker 2: I mean, I can hear the defeat in your voice, Carl,

519
00:28:48,973 --> 00:28:51,413
Speaker 2: and I'm really sorry you've you've had to be dealing

520
00:28:51,413 --> 00:28:54,093
Speaker 2: with that over the past two years. So when you've

521
00:28:54,093 --> 00:28:57,653
Speaker 2: asked for support from the school, what have they said

522
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Speaker 2: to you?

523
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Speaker 10: Well, I am cold call the principal of the certain

524
00:29:03,173 --> 00:29:06,573
Speaker 10: school and sat her down and told her what I

525
00:29:06,613 --> 00:29:11,413
Speaker 10: wanted to happen, and share a bit stand offish. When

526
00:29:11,413 --> 00:29:14,813
Speaker 10: I mentioned David Seymour the name, you'd see it up.

527
00:29:16,373 --> 00:29:20,413
Speaker 10: But you know, I've had another meetings with different principles

528
00:29:20,413 --> 00:29:23,773
Speaker 10: in this area of where we are. They know where

529
00:29:23,773 --> 00:29:26,573
Speaker 10: I stand, and they certainly know where they stand with me,

530
00:29:27,653 --> 00:29:31,573
Speaker 10: and I work with them just about every second day

531
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Speaker 10: with these kids in good terms. But you know, the

532
00:29:38,173 --> 00:29:40,613
Speaker 10: schools are very busy in Sows and they've got time

533
00:29:40,653 --> 00:29:42,693
Speaker 10: to run around and do this thing and.

534
00:29:42,733 --> 00:29:47,533
Speaker 2: That just on that, Carl. And in no way am

535
00:29:47,533 --> 00:29:50,373
Speaker 2: I belittling the work that schools do and principals do

536
00:29:50,413 --> 00:29:54,093
Speaker 2: and teachers do. But I think they do have a

537
00:29:54,093 --> 00:29:57,133
Speaker 2: big part to play. The successful schools that are a

538
00:29:57,133 --> 00:29:59,613
Speaker 2: pillar of their community and a big part of their community.

539
00:30:00,013 --> 00:30:02,413
Speaker 2: That's exactly what they do, isn't it that the principal

540
00:30:02,493 --> 00:30:05,053
Speaker 2: was well known by everybody in that community, that many

541
00:30:05,093 --> 00:30:06,093
Speaker 2: of the teachers.

542
00:30:06,613 --> 00:30:07,053
Speaker 10: And get it.

543
00:30:07,133 --> 00:30:09,133
Speaker 2: There's long hours, but they you know that they're not

544
00:30:09,213 --> 00:30:11,333
Speaker 2: doing it there for a paycheck. They are doing it

545
00:30:11,333 --> 00:30:13,933
Speaker 2: there because they know that they are critical to the

546
00:30:14,133 --> 00:30:16,333
Speaker 2: to the benefit of their local community.

547
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Speaker 10: That's good, right, But if you got one percent or

548
00:30:19,773 --> 00:30:22,173
Speaker 10: two percent not tying the line and you've got ninety eight,

549
00:30:22,173 --> 00:30:25,453
Speaker 10: you're going to focus on the ninety eight percent, don't you.

550
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Speaker 2: You're saying they don't have the resources to be able

551
00:30:27,653 --> 00:30:28,893
Speaker 2: to chase up everybody.

552
00:30:28,933 --> 00:30:31,653
Speaker 10: Well that's that's what they're telling me. Yeah, and then

553
00:30:31,973 --> 00:30:35,413
Speaker 10: you're David sea Wall give them extra money. Yesterday, I

554
00:30:35,533 --> 00:30:40,813
Speaker 10: understand he did. Yeah, yeah, I'd like to see that money.

555
00:30:40,853 --> 00:30:41,053
Speaker 6: Yeah.

556
00:30:42,093 --> 00:30:43,973
Speaker 10: Well, you even got the people on the front line

557
00:30:44,053 --> 00:30:46,013
Speaker 10: doing it. And I'm waiting for David cell I'm going

558
00:30:46,053 --> 00:30:47,933
Speaker 10: to sit here in my office waiting for him. I

559
00:30:48,013 --> 00:30:51,333
Speaker 10: wait for him to turn up and I'll do them.

560
00:30:51,413 --> 00:30:51,613
Speaker 15: Well.

561
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Speaker 2: I really hope it gets better to you or someone

562
00:30:53,453 --> 00:30:56,173
Speaker 2: from his office gets back to you, Carl, because you

563
00:30:56,173 --> 00:30:58,733
Speaker 2: know everybody listening can hear you're at your wits end here,

564
00:30:59,493 --> 00:31:00,893
Speaker 2: but it sounds like you're not going to give up.

565
00:31:00,933 --> 00:31:01,613
Speaker 2: You'll keep pushing.

566
00:31:02,533 --> 00:31:04,373
Speaker 10: Well, see the out side of the court here, here's

567
00:31:04,373 --> 00:31:06,733
Speaker 10: a parent pushing it, pushing it, trying to get your

568
00:31:06,813 --> 00:31:09,493
Speaker 10: kids to school, and there's night support out there.

569
00:31:10,173 --> 00:31:12,293
Speaker 2: Well, Carl, I really hope that changes for you. And

570
00:31:12,333 --> 00:31:14,653
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, the one hundred and forty million dollars

571
00:31:14,733 --> 00:31:18,293
Speaker 2: that has been allocated to deal with truancy, hopefully that

572
00:31:18,453 --> 00:31:20,693
Speaker 2: goes some way to getting some support you need to

573
00:31:21,733 --> 00:31:23,733
Speaker 2: help your daughter. Cayl. Thank you very much for giving

574
00:31:23,773 --> 00:31:26,493
Speaker 2: us a buzz. It is seventeen to two. Really, can

575
00:31:26,573 --> 00:31:28,253
Speaker 2: you get your thoughts on this one O one hundred

576
00:31:28,253 --> 00:31:30,653
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty the decline of the community. Does

577
00:31:30,693 --> 00:31:33,013
Speaker 2: that have a part to play with the truancy levels

578
00:31:33,173 --> 00:31:35,813
Speaker 2: and the behavior of children that you see out in

579
00:31:35,893 --> 00:31:39,213
Speaker 2: your neighborhoods. Really keen to chat with you seventeen to two,

580
00:31:39,253 --> 00:31:40,893
Speaker 2: back very surely here on new Stalks, EDB.

581
00:31:42,973 --> 00:31:46,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

582
00:31:46,373 --> 00:31:50,093
Speaker 1: on madd Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks, EDB.

583
00:31:50,453 --> 00:31:53,773
Speaker 2: Good afternoons You Maddie away for today. He will be

584
00:31:53,813 --> 00:31:56,573
Speaker 2: back with us tomorrow. But I am flying solo today

585
00:31:56,613 --> 00:31:59,453
Speaker 2: and we're having a chat about community and truancy. Does

586
00:31:59,973 --> 00:32:02,053
Speaker 2: or do members of the community have a part to

587
00:32:02,093 --> 00:32:04,173
Speaker 2: play when it comes to the issue we're having with

588
00:32:04,173 --> 00:32:06,773
Speaker 2: truancy at the moment and generally with bad behavior you

589
00:32:06,813 --> 00:32:10,693
Speaker 2: see from some children our neighborhoods and in our towns

590
00:32:10,733 --> 00:32:13,333
Speaker 2: and cities. David Seymour certainly thinks so, and he got

591
00:32:13,333 --> 00:32:16,413
Speaker 2: some support from Northland Principal Pat Newman, who was chatting

592
00:32:16,413 --> 00:32:19,613
Speaker 2: with Heather about this last night as well. I want

593
00:32:19,613 --> 00:32:20,933
Speaker 2: to read out this text and we'll get back to

594
00:32:20,973 --> 00:32:23,453
Speaker 2: your phone calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Tyler.

595
00:32:23,493 --> 00:32:27,453
Speaker 2: Our community cohesion has been disintegrating along with the increase

596
00:32:27,453 --> 00:32:30,933
Speaker 2: In general, household's lack of time productivity growth was zero

597
00:32:31,013 --> 00:32:33,653
Speaker 2: point two percent last year, and the real impact of

598
00:32:33,773 --> 00:32:36,053
Speaker 2: that is we are working longer for less compared to

599
00:32:36,133 --> 00:32:39,613
Speaker 2: other OECD countries. This plays out and our ability to

600
00:32:39,653 --> 00:32:43,413
Speaker 2: put our own stuff aside and help our neighbors, both

601
00:32:43,453 --> 00:32:47,293
Speaker 2: parents work, spare time is increasingly compromised. It's pretty sad.

602
00:32:47,733 --> 00:32:49,973
Speaker 2: Has that text. I've got a point, certainly, it does

603
00:32:50,013 --> 00:32:52,813
Speaker 2: feel like we are as busy as we've ever been

604
00:32:52,973 --> 00:32:56,493
Speaker 2: in our lives. Are we just too exhausted, particularly over

605
00:32:56,493 --> 00:32:58,173
Speaker 2: the last five years, to be able to do what

606
00:32:58,213 --> 00:33:01,533
Speaker 2: we used to do. Get to know our neighborhoods, volunteer

607
00:33:01,653 --> 00:33:04,013
Speaker 2: be a part of it. Does that come into it? Oh,

608
00:33:04,013 --> 00:33:05,613
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

609
00:33:05,653 --> 00:33:07,573
Speaker 2: call Josh hate on my friends.

610
00:33:08,613 --> 00:33:15,493
Speaker 18: Yeah, Hey Taylor, Taylor, Hey, Yeah No, John, John, what

611
00:33:15,533 --> 00:33:16,053
Speaker 18: do excellent?

612
00:33:16,213 --> 00:33:16,533
Speaker 7: Call it?

613
00:33:16,573 --> 00:33:19,733
Speaker 18: A big shout out to John. I think he should

614
00:33:19,733 --> 00:33:25,333
Speaker 18: call your station as much as possible. We need we

615
00:33:25,453 --> 00:33:28,453
Speaker 18: need good people with good information. And that was a

616
00:33:28,493 --> 00:33:32,813
Speaker 18: good conversation you had with John. But what I wanted

617
00:33:32,853 --> 00:33:36,573
Speaker 18: to say, Tyler was approach. I think the approach is

618
00:33:36,653 --> 00:33:41,213
Speaker 18: important because when you come in contact with these kids.

619
00:33:41,733 --> 00:33:45,093
Speaker 18: They don't exactly want to insinuate that there's something going

620
00:33:45,213 --> 00:33:50,573
Speaker 18: on because we don't know for sure what the story is. However,

621
00:33:51,053 --> 00:33:55,413
Speaker 18: you can pose questions, you know, so try not to

622
00:33:55,533 --> 00:33:59,133
Speaker 18: accuse them of anything. They might be on study leave right,

623
00:33:59,853 --> 00:34:05,773
Speaker 18: You're asking the question perhaps something like oh, no school today, buddy,

624
00:34:06,253 --> 00:34:13,533
Speaker 18: or something like that, and start a conversation because yeah,

625
00:34:13,613 --> 00:34:17,493
Speaker 18: like we we don't know. We can't be streaming at kids,

626
00:34:17,813 --> 00:34:20,333
Speaker 18: or you should be at school when we don't know

627
00:34:20,413 --> 00:34:23,973
Speaker 18: if they're on their way to an activity or the

628
00:34:24,133 --> 00:34:27,013
Speaker 18: library or whatever. We we don't know.

629
00:34:27,293 --> 00:34:28,613
Speaker 1: So it's a fair point.

630
00:34:28,693 --> 00:34:30,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't. You don't want people screaming left, right

631
00:34:30,773 --> 00:34:32,973
Speaker 2: and center at children who are just you know, maybe

632
00:34:33,013 --> 00:34:35,173
Speaker 2: they've got a very good reason for being outside of school.

633
00:34:35,333 --> 00:34:38,853
Speaker 2: But I mean, you're you're just by saying what you've said, Josh,

634
00:34:38,853 --> 00:34:41,293
Speaker 2: you agree with David Seymour and this Northern principal Pat

635
00:34:41,333 --> 00:34:44,493
Speaker 2: Newman that we should be stepping up as community members,

636
00:34:44,533 --> 00:34:47,252
Speaker 2: that even having that chat would be steeping up to say, hey,

637
00:34:47,333 --> 00:34:50,453
Speaker 2: get a little Jimmy, you're not at school today. What's

638
00:34:50,493 --> 00:34:50,853
Speaker 2: going on?

639
00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:52,573
Speaker 8: Yeah?

640
00:34:52,653 --> 00:34:55,493
Speaker 18: Yeah, and you know, even kids like you. I've seen

641
00:34:55,573 --> 00:34:57,652
Speaker 18: some kids play fighting on the side of the road.

642
00:34:57,773 --> 00:35:01,413
Speaker 18: And I was like, this is, you know, sort of

643
00:35:01,493 --> 00:35:04,652
Speaker 18: two o'clock kind of thing. So I pulled over and

644
00:35:04,693 --> 00:35:07,172
Speaker 18: I said, hey, boys, don't be playfighting on the side

645
00:35:07,173 --> 00:35:09,253
Speaker 18: of the road like that. And I said, I was

646
00:35:09,293 --> 00:35:13,013
Speaker 18: throwing past I thought something serious is going on. And

647
00:35:13,173 --> 00:35:15,692
Speaker 18: I actually encourage them to go to a jim. I said,

648
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Speaker 18: don't be doing that out on the footpath. You don't

649
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Speaker 18: know what's going to go wrong.

650
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Speaker 2: But what were they doing on the foot ut sorry,

651
00:35:22,613 --> 00:35:24,813
Speaker 2: I dismissed that. Were they chucking checking something good?

652
00:35:28,373 --> 00:35:32,253
Speaker 18: Play fighting? Scuffling and throwing bags around and stuff. And

653
00:35:32,293 --> 00:35:34,293
Speaker 18: I just said, hey, look say that for the gym.

654
00:35:34,413 --> 00:35:35,973
Speaker 18: Don't do it on the side of the road. You

655
00:35:36,093 --> 00:35:40,293
Speaker 18: might attract you know, negative attention or whatever. And what

656
00:35:40,333 --> 00:35:43,813
Speaker 18: do they tell you, Well, they just said, oh, you're

657
00:35:43,853 --> 00:35:46,453
Speaker 18: sorry or sorry, and I was just like, no, no, no, no,

658
00:35:46,493 --> 00:35:48,413
Speaker 18: you're not in trouble. I'm just trying to get.

659
00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:52,213
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good response, I mean, just to you know,

660
00:35:52,253 --> 00:35:54,172
Speaker 2: to mack up some of these heaps coming through Josh.

661
00:35:54,253 --> 00:35:56,133
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people these days fear that

662
00:35:56,653 --> 00:35:59,053
Speaker 2: depending on the age of the child. In fact, sometimes

663
00:35:59,093 --> 00:36:01,172
Speaker 2: the child can be quite young. But if you see

664
00:36:01,213 --> 00:36:04,573
Speaker 2: them doing something that is you know, a little bit

665
00:36:04,613 --> 00:36:07,333
Speaker 2: antisocial and you pull them aside and say, hey, you

666
00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:09,853
Speaker 2: can't be doing that. The response that a lot of

667
00:36:09,853 --> 00:36:11,493
Speaker 2: people fear they're going to get now where is a

668
00:36:11,493 --> 00:36:14,692
Speaker 2: big if off or you know whatever? Is that lack

669
00:36:14,693 --> 00:36:18,773
Speaker 2: of respect of authority and an adult saying you're going

670
00:36:18,813 --> 00:36:19,733
Speaker 2: to pull your hidden.

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00:36:21,133 --> 00:36:21,413
Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: Well, I mean again, it's it's approach and that's becoming neutral.

673
00:36:26,533 --> 00:36:30,373
Speaker 18: You're not becoming an authoritative You're just inquiring. Are you

674
00:36:30,493 --> 00:36:34,453
Speaker 18: asking a polite question? There's no need to, you know,

675
00:36:34,573 --> 00:36:38,053
Speaker 18: for anyone to get abusive in that situation, and if

676
00:36:38,093 --> 00:36:40,573
Speaker 18: they do then you're just you can in clare Fell

677
00:36:41,373 --> 00:36:44,692
Speaker 18: if me you say, okay, well what's going on?

678
00:36:44,853 --> 00:36:45,692
Speaker 19: Is you?

679
00:36:45,693 --> 00:36:47,773
Speaker 18: You know, do you need to talk to someone or

680
00:36:47,893 --> 00:36:51,093
Speaker 18: do you have some of the fook to or that's.

681
00:36:50,973 --> 00:36:51,533
Speaker 17: A fair point.

682
00:36:52,533 --> 00:36:55,693
Speaker 2: Did you ever see those two lads down at your gym?

683
00:36:56,173 --> 00:36:56,413
Speaker 13: No?

684
00:36:56,733 --> 00:36:59,893
Speaker 18: No, we haven't. But hey, the other point you're asking

685
00:36:59,973 --> 00:37:05,453
Speaker 18: about the community breakdown, here's a theory for you generation rent.

686
00:37:06,333 --> 00:37:10,493
Speaker 18: How many houses are these poor children had to move into?

687
00:37:10,733 --> 00:37:11,293
Speaker 20: Right like?

688
00:37:11,653 --> 00:37:15,773
Speaker 18: You hear stories of kids living in five different houses

689
00:37:15,973 --> 00:37:22,293
Speaker 18: through primary school. The ability to maintain schooling and the

690
00:37:22,333 --> 00:37:26,893
Speaker 18: same schooling seems to be getting harder now when people

691
00:37:26,933 --> 00:37:30,773
Speaker 18: are transitioning into new properties and things like that, or

692
00:37:31,893 --> 00:37:35,373
Speaker 18: you know, five years ago ending up in bling in

693
00:37:35,813 --> 00:37:40,013
Speaker 18: hotels because you couldn't find a home. Well, those kids

694
00:37:40,013 --> 00:37:44,573
Speaker 18: are missing out on education. It also gets harder for

695
00:37:44,693 --> 00:37:48,653
Speaker 18: kids to reassimilate. You have to figure out who the

696
00:37:48,733 --> 00:37:49,653
Speaker 18: new bullies are.

697
00:37:50,453 --> 00:37:52,853
Speaker 2: Yep, it's a very fair point, Josh for out of time,

698
00:37:53,133 --> 00:37:54,933
Speaker 2: but thanks for giving us a buzz. But it is

699
00:37:54,973 --> 00:37:58,252
Speaker 2: a very fair point. When you rent trying to establish

700
00:37:58,533 --> 00:38:01,533
Speaker 2: ties and roots in a community, it can be a

701
00:38:01,533 --> 00:38:03,733
Speaker 2: lot harder. I appreciate your call, Josh. One hundred and

702
00:38:03,733 --> 00:38:06,013
Speaker 2: eighteen eighty is the number to call. It is eight

703
00:38:06,133 --> 00:38:08,173
Speaker 2: two to two.

704
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Speaker 1: Mad Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

705
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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons news.

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Speaker 2: Be my good afternoon to.

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Speaker 21: You, Good afternoon to you, and thank you for listening

708
00:38:22,853 --> 00:38:28,252
Speaker 21: to me. Going back, going back to prior to Maldon's day,

709
00:38:28,653 --> 00:38:31,613
Speaker 21: I've taken an interest in Parliament. I've taken an interest

710
00:38:31,733 --> 00:38:34,813
Speaker 21: what's happened all the way through and I'm any mean

711
00:38:34,933 --> 00:38:37,373
Speaker 21: and interest. It doesn't matter which side of defense, and

712
00:38:37,453 --> 00:38:41,293
Speaker 21: mine's irrelevant. But one day there was an introduction by

713
00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:44,853
Speaker 21: I don't know what the viewer, a labor agreed. I

714
00:38:44,893 --> 00:38:48,253
Speaker 21: can't remember. The name was Bradford. I'm to introduce what

715
00:38:48,413 --> 00:38:51,293
Speaker 21: was known as the edge smacking girl, which is not

716
00:38:51,453 --> 00:38:54,773
Speaker 21: that good. Of course, that was just the collectism name

717
00:38:54,853 --> 00:38:58,653
Speaker 21: that was given to it. And ever since then I predicted,

718
00:38:59,413 --> 00:39:03,173
Speaker 21: I predicted correctly amongst my colleagues and friends and family,

719
00:39:03,653 --> 00:39:07,453
Speaker 21: they'll be changed here. And that's exactly what happened. The

720
00:39:07,573 --> 00:39:11,013
Speaker 21: children can say to their father, go and get whatever,

721
00:39:11,453 --> 00:39:14,533
Speaker 21: and the same to the school teacher, and they do,

722
00:39:15,093 --> 00:39:17,293
Speaker 21: and they say it today. They're same words that you

723
00:39:17,333 --> 00:39:20,093
Speaker 21: and I wouldn't say when we were young at all.

724
00:39:21,413 --> 00:39:24,653
Speaker 21: So the parents, most of appearance, did bring their children

725
00:39:24,773 --> 00:39:27,853
Speaker 21: up well. I bought mine up well and the ones

726
00:39:28,293 --> 00:39:31,773
Speaker 21: and we didn't have kids beaten up and murdered.

727
00:39:31,973 --> 00:39:34,493
Speaker 2: Yes, we're getting today, Mike, thank you very much. A

728
00:39:34,493 --> 00:39:36,773
Speaker 2: lot of people agree with you on that one. I

729
00:39:36,813 --> 00:39:40,093
Speaker 2: don't know if I quite agree with that stance. Is

730
00:39:41,373 --> 00:39:44,172
Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't smacked that much as a child,

731
00:39:44,173 --> 00:39:45,733
Speaker 2: and I turned out all right. But I get your

732
00:39:45,733 --> 00:39:49,973
Speaker 2: point about consequences for children who don't have respect for

733
00:39:50,733 --> 00:39:54,652
Speaker 2: authority or their schools or the police. Certainly there is

734
00:39:54,733 --> 00:39:58,693
Speaker 2: a degradation in that behavior over the last couple of decades.

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00:39:58,733 --> 00:40:00,692
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your phone call on that one.

736
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Speaker 2: We're going to carry this on after two o'clock and really,

737
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Speaker 2: can you get your thoughts on our eight hundred and

738
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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty if you want to send the text

739
00:40:07,653 --> 00:40:10,373
Speaker 2: ninet two nine two or email if that's your thing.

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Speaker 2: Tyler at Newstalk ZEDB dot co dot NZ, Newsport and

741
00:40:14,173 --> 00:40:16,733
Speaker 2: weather coming up. Great to have your company as always,

742
00:40:17,333 --> 00:40:17,933
Speaker 2: see you soon.

743
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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

744
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Speaker 1: Afternoons news Talk ZB.

745
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Speaker 2: Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show seven

746
00:40:30,333 --> 00:40:33,493
Speaker 2: past too great to have your company. Matt is off today.

747
00:40:33,613 --> 00:40:36,573
Speaker 2: He's got a gig that was planned yonks ago one

748
00:40:36,653 --> 00:40:38,692
Speaker 2: day only, so he is off today, but back with

749
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Speaker 2: us tomorrow. And just before we get back into the program,

750
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Speaker 2: I always saved my lunch a little bit late, and

751
00:40:43,573 --> 00:40:47,053
Speaker 2: at the moment I'm eating a chicken, avocado and mayo sandwich.

752
00:40:47,133 --> 00:40:49,692
Speaker 2: Is there a better combination than that for a sandwich? Man,

753
00:40:49,733 --> 00:40:51,893
Speaker 2: it's good. I'm about halfway through, so I'm gonna dig

754
00:40:51,933 --> 00:40:53,333
Speaker 2: back into that in the air break. But just as

755
00:40:53,333 --> 00:40:55,133
Speaker 2: a side, just as I was eating that sandwich, I

756
00:40:55,133 --> 00:40:57,733
Speaker 2: thought that is a great combination ever and chicken. But

757
00:40:57,813 --> 00:41:01,253
Speaker 2: let's get back to the conversation we were having about

758
00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:05,413
Speaker 2: the decline of the community when it comes to truancy

759
00:41:05,413 --> 00:41:07,413
Speaker 2: around New Zealand. David Seymore made the point when he

760
00:41:07,453 --> 00:41:10,813
Speaker 2: announced one hundred and forty million dollars to go into

761
00:41:10,973 --> 00:41:14,653
Speaker 2: tackling truancy in society yesterday. But he made the point

762
00:41:14,973 --> 00:41:18,613
Speaker 2: that he thinks us, as upstanding members of the community

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00:41:18,693 --> 00:41:21,173
Speaker 2: play a camplay and should play a part when it

764
00:41:21,173 --> 00:41:23,813
Speaker 2: comes to truant. So if we see a child wandering

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00:41:23,973 --> 00:41:26,533
Speaker 2: the streets during school time, or if you're a dairy

766
00:41:26,533 --> 00:41:29,653
Speaker 2: owner business owner and a child comes into your business

767
00:41:29,693 --> 00:41:33,253
Speaker 2: and tries to buy a primo, that you, as the

768
00:41:33,253 --> 00:41:35,493
Speaker 2: business owner, should turn around to that child and say, no,

769
00:41:35,813 --> 00:41:38,933
Speaker 2: school time, why aren't you at school? If you don't

770
00:41:38,933 --> 00:41:41,773
Speaker 2: get back there asap, then I'm going to call the police,

771
00:41:41,853 --> 00:41:43,853
Speaker 2: or at least your school and maybe your parents. But

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Speaker 2: what do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

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00:41:45,733 --> 00:41:49,573
Speaker 2: eighty and David Seymour did get some support and what

774
00:41:49,693 --> 00:41:53,493
Speaker 2: I think was a rather unlikely place Northland Principal Pat Newman.

775
00:41:53,613 --> 00:41:56,653
Speaker 2: He's very respected up in Northland. But here is a

776
00:41:56,653 --> 00:41:58,973
Speaker 2: little bit of what he said to Heather on the

777
00:41:59,013 --> 00:42:02,253
Speaker 2: show yesterday. We're parents, we're grandparents. Why can't we if

778
00:42:02,293 --> 00:42:04,613
Speaker 2: we see snotty litle Johnny working around at twelve, go

779
00:42:04,693 --> 00:42:05,973
Speaker 2: what do you do? Get in school?

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00:42:06,493 --> 00:42:06,813
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:42:06,933 --> 00:42:09,573
Speaker 5: It would be really nice you were getting that. We

782
00:42:09,613 --> 00:42:11,693
Speaker 5: were saying as looking over the fence in the neighbor's

783
00:42:11,693 --> 00:42:14,333
Speaker 5: fences the kids at school, saying hey, listen, what can

784
00:42:14,373 --> 00:42:16,213
Speaker 5: I do to help to get the kids to school?

785
00:42:16,573 --> 00:42:18,373
Speaker 5: And that's the whole thing of what I was trying

786
00:42:18,373 --> 00:42:21,213
Speaker 5: to say is that. But we need to have something

787
00:42:21,333 --> 00:42:23,613
Speaker 5: driving it so people actually think it's all right to

788
00:42:23,653 --> 00:42:26,053
Speaker 5: do that. People say, oh, we can't reach over there.

789
00:42:26,133 --> 00:42:28,413
Speaker 5: They might, it's not our business. We've got to do

790
00:42:28,613 --> 00:42:32,013
Speaker 5: is to reinvent the community, because we don't have communities

791
00:42:32,053 --> 00:42:34,253
Speaker 5: in town going to reinvent them.

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00:42:34,573 --> 00:42:37,172
Speaker 2: So that was Pat Newman, Northland Principle, speaking to Heather

793
00:42:37,293 --> 00:42:40,133
Speaker 2: last night, and he agreed with David Seymour in some

794
00:42:40,173 --> 00:42:42,053
Speaker 2: respects that we've all got a part to play in

795
00:42:42,093 --> 00:42:44,933
Speaker 2: tackling the likes of truantcy and other bad behavior that

796
00:42:44,973 --> 00:42:47,093
Speaker 2: we see in young people out in public these days,

797
00:42:47,093 --> 00:42:49,893
Speaker 2: but also that decline of the community. So can you

798
00:42:49,893 --> 00:42:51,893
Speaker 2: get your views, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

799
00:42:52,053 --> 00:42:54,692
Speaker 2: if there has been a decline in our communities, can

800
00:42:54,733 --> 00:42:57,933
Speaker 2: we get it back? And in your own neighborhood do

801
00:42:57,973 --> 00:43:00,413
Speaker 2: you know your neighbors? Do you know your neighbors children?

802
00:43:00,493 --> 00:43:02,613
Speaker 2: Is that something that still exists in parts of New

803
00:43:02,693 --> 00:43:04,333
Speaker 2: Zealand love to hear from you on O eight hundred

804
00:43:04,333 --> 00:43:05,413
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty get a.

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00:43:05,373 --> 00:43:08,853
Speaker 22: Pool, Yeah, Hayden not Silah has going.

806
00:43:08,973 --> 00:43:10,213
Speaker 2: Very good, very good.

807
00:43:10,413 --> 00:43:12,573
Speaker 22: Look in my tape on the whole thing for the

808
00:43:12,573 --> 00:43:16,172
Speaker 22: community degradation is because of the Blemen fencing laws. You

809
00:43:16,173 --> 00:43:18,493
Speaker 22: have a look at most most houses have got huge

810
00:43:18,493 --> 00:43:20,652
Speaker 22: treat fences around them between one point eight and two

811
00:43:20,693 --> 00:43:24,813
Speaker 22: point five meters high, and nobody sees the Bloman neighbors.

812
00:43:25,493 --> 00:43:28,133
Speaker 22: Their neighborhoods are like prisons. Now you go down any

813
00:43:28,333 --> 00:43:30,613
Speaker 22: you go down any new subdivision and they got these

814
00:43:30,653 --> 00:43:34,293
Speaker 22: big fences down every place. Who actually gets to see

815
00:43:34,293 --> 00:43:37,413
Speaker 22: any neighbors. So your neighborhood's actually been taken out by

816
00:43:37,453 --> 00:43:38,733
Speaker 22: the fencing laws.

817
00:43:38,973 --> 00:43:41,253
Speaker 2: It's a very good point, Paul, and I'll just there

818
00:43:41,293 --> 00:43:42,773
Speaker 2: was a Texter I was going to get to, but

819
00:43:42,813 --> 00:43:45,133
Speaker 2: he's made a similar point to you. I'll just read

820
00:43:45,173 --> 00:43:47,933
Speaker 2: it out. Says, none of our new houses have a

821
00:43:47,933 --> 00:43:50,652
Speaker 2: front porch or a road facing outdoor living area. If

822
00:43:50,693 --> 00:43:53,133
Speaker 2: they did, it would help create friendly neighborhoods. I did

823
00:43:53,173 --> 00:43:56,053
Speaker 2: a subdivision about thirty eight homes requiring a road facing

824
00:43:56,093 --> 00:43:59,173
Speaker 2: deck or veranda. All of the architects ignored the requirements.

825
00:43:59,213 --> 00:44:02,253
Speaker 2: The sub subdivision got a name for having weird covenants.

826
00:44:02,453 --> 00:44:05,173
Speaker 2: I wished it was pushed harder. But that's a similar

827
00:44:05,173 --> 00:44:07,893
Speaker 2: point to your ma, your making pull that the design

828
00:44:07,973 --> 00:44:10,973
Speaker 2: of the house and these fences that kind of block

829
00:44:11,053 --> 00:44:13,933
Speaker 2: out everything in the name of privacy has kind of

830
00:44:13,973 --> 00:44:18,573
Speaker 2: been to the detrimental of community spirit of course of.

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Speaker 22: This, you know, because it's you know, kids, kids will

832
00:44:21,413 --> 00:44:23,413
Speaker 22: kids will play with kids if they can see them.

833
00:44:23,573 --> 00:44:25,212
Speaker 22: If they can't see them, they're not going to play

834
00:44:25,253 --> 00:44:26,813
Speaker 22: with them. That's going to set in front of their

835
00:44:26,853 --> 00:44:29,293
Speaker 22: screens and go because they come home a lot of

836
00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:31,732
Speaker 22: the time through the fences, and then that's that they're

837
00:44:31,773 --> 00:44:34,533
Speaker 22: in their little prisons. So I think this is crazy.

838
00:44:34,573 --> 00:44:37,653
Speaker 22: And all these infull home some of these sections you

839
00:44:37,693 --> 00:44:39,653
Speaker 22: know that two hundred and fifty to three hundred square

840
00:44:39,733 --> 00:44:42,573
Speaker 22: meters and they've got big fences around them. I mean

841
00:44:42,613 --> 00:44:46,212
Speaker 22: it's hardly it's hardly conducive for having a community where

842
00:44:46,253 --> 00:44:49,853
Speaker 22: nobody can see anybody and you don't really get to

843
00:44:50,093 --> 00:44:51,133
Speaker 22: get to know your neighbors.

844
00:44:51,333 --> 00:44:53,813
Speaker 2: Well, fair point, Paul, knock down the fences. I think

845
00:44:53,853 --> 00:44:55,653
Speaker 2: a lot of people would agree with that. Oh, e

846
00:44:55,653 --> 00:44:57,973
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

847
00:44:58,013 --> 00:44:59,573
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for giving us a buzz, Paul,

848
00:44:59,653 --> 00:45:03,893
Speaker 2: really nice to chat. A couple of texts to the break, Tyler,

849
00:45:03,933 --> 00:45:07,493
Speaker 2: I went to twenty seven different twenty seven different schools

850
00:45:07,533 --> 00:45:11,253
Speaker 2: before fifteen years old. I worked out all right, no excuses, chairs,

851
00:45:11,493 --> 00:45:13,973
Speaker 2: I'm glad you worked out all right. But twenty seven

852
00:45:14,013 --> 00:45:17,573
Speaker 2: schools before fifteen, I think many other kids who were

853
00:45:17,613 --> 00:45:20,453
Speaker 2: in that scenario may not have turned out as well

854
00:45:20,493 --> 00:45:22,812
Speaker 2: as you, dear text of but thank you very much.

855
00:45:23,413 --> 00:45:25,773
Speaker 2: And this one on the fence, it's called privacy. Fally, Yeah,

856
00:45:25,813 --> 00:45:28,172
Speaker 2: we love our privacy, don't we. But as a fair

857
00:45:28,173 --> 00:45:32,853
Speaker 2: point that all these fence covenants and rules kind of

858
00:45:32,893 --> 00:45:35,853
Speaker 2: means that you block everything else out, you don't want

859
00:45:35,893 --> 00:45:38,253
Speaker 2: to know your neighbors, but keen to hear from you.

860
00:45:38,333 --> 00:45:41,373
Speaker 2: On oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty It is twelve

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Speaker 2: pasts two back very shortly here on news Talks b.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

863
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Speaker 1: call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

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Speaker 2: Said, be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about

865
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Speaker 2: the decline of community spirit around the country. Does it

866
00:46:00,133 --> 00:46:02,893
Speaker 2: exist and if it does, what can we do to

867
00:46:03,013 --> 00:46:05,013
Speaker 2: turn that around? And do we all have a part

868
00:46:05,093 --> 00:46:07,293
Speaker 2: to play when it comes to truancy, when it comes

869
00:46:07,293 --> 00:46:09,853
Speaker 2: to the behavior of chu drown out in society? Have

870
00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:11,493
Speaker 2: you been in a position we've had to tell of

871
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Speaker 2: a child that was misbehaving. Love to hear from you

872
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Speaker 2: on eight hundred eight Michael, how are you this afternoon?

873
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Good good. So I've got five children, two boys, no

875
00:46:28,853 --> 00:46:34,212
Speaker 12: community so we lived up in the bush, but.

876
00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:36,853
Speaker 8: We live.

877
00:46:38,173 --> 00:46:45,173
Speaker 12: A long way from anybody else, right. My two boys,

878
00:46:46,173 --> 00:46:55,093
Speaker 12: the first one he got recommendations will never never missing

879
00:46:55,133 --> 00:47:00,252
Speaker 12: one day of school and that was like for three

880
00:47:00,333 --> 00:47:06,973
Speaker 12: four f h so years yep. And then the second boy,

881
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Speaker 12: I couldn't couldn't take them to school. I took him

882
00:47:12,813 --> 00:47:13,493
Speaker 12: to school, but.

883
00:47:13,493 --> 00:47:13,973
Speaker 6: He just.

884
00:47:16,013 --> 00:47:22,252
Speaker 12: Wagged, went around and had to talk to the head

885
00:47:22,293 --> 00:47:28,212
Speaker 12: teacher and basically they let him stay at school as

886
00:47:28,333 --> 00:47:32,692
Speaker 12: long as he was in the first fifteen rugby. Yeah,

887
00:47:32,733 --> 00:47:36,253
Speaker 12: and after that, yet, no, they kicked them out.

888
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Speaker 2: Well that is I mean, that's very interesting, Michael. So

889
00:47:39,493 --> 00:47:43,613
Speaker 2: one one child apparently loved school if he you know,

890
00:47:43,733 --> 00:47:47,613
Speaker 2: got awards for attendance levels and hardly took a day

891
00:47:47,653 --> 00:47:51,013
Speaker 2: of school. And the other child, you know, didn't like

892
00:47:51,053 --> 00:47:53,933
Speaker 2: school by the sounds of it, and wagged at every

893
00:47:54,013 --> 00:47:56,453
Speaker 2: chance they got. I mean, does that say more about

894
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Speaker 2: the you know, you've got two boys completely the opposite

895
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Speaker 2: in that respect, how they approached you know, the learning

896
00:48:04,253 --> 00:48:08,293
Speaker 2: in that scenario, as in, they both had different approach

897
00:48:08,693 --> 00:48:11,493
Speaker 2: is to schooling. And it's not so much about being

898
00:48:11,613 --> 00:48:14,573
Speaker 2: a bad kid, it's just how their brains worked.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, No, you're you're right, because they both turned out really,

900
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Speaker 12: really good. The eldest ones in the army. It's going

901
00:48:28,213 --> 00:48:34,013
Speaker 12: to be fast trapped through the sniper.

902
00:48:35,173 --> 00:48:36,053
Speaker 5: Whatever whatever.

903
00:48:36,253 --> 00:48:39,933
Speaker 12: Well and yeah, and the second one, the one that waved,

904
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Speaker 12: he's married now two kids, mm hmm.

905
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, so both of your both of

906
00:48:51,773 --> 00:48:54,773
Speaker 2: your boys turned out very well in the end, the

907
00:48:54,893 --> 00:48:57,013
Speaker 2: one with with great attendance who is now in the

908
00:48:57,093 --> 00:48:59,613
Speaker 2: army and looks to have an incredible career there, and

909
00:48:59,653 --> 00:49:01,613
Speaker 2: the other one married with two kids. But so where

910
00:49:01,613 --> 00:49:03,533
Speaker 2: do you sit on this? Michael? You mentioned before that

911
00:49:03,613 --> 00:49:06,773
Speaker 2: you lived rurally and you're very far away from your neighbors,

912
00:49:07,173 --> 00:49:10,053
Speaker 2: but I imagine there was still some community spirit there.

913
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Speaker 2: Did you know other people in your community? Did you

914
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Speaker 2: have gatherings down at you know, the local hall of

915
00:49:15,893 --> 00:49:17,133
Speaker 2: the pub? Did that exist?

916
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Speaker 17: No?

917
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Speaker 2: No, right, so you're very isolated.

918
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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, and show the two boys. But I've got

919
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Speaker 12: three girls as well. And yeah, no, just I'm not

920
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Speaker 12: my arm's not called Tom Phillips.

921
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. Yeah, that's very good. Michael. Thank you

922
00:49:42,053 --> 00:49:44,933
Speaker 2: very much for giving us a bar. It's very interesting. Katie,

923
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Speaker 2: how are you this afternoon?

924
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Speaker 4: I'm good, Thank you, Michael. I've just got I've got

925
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Speaker 4: three points really, mainly about the community and how that's formed.

926
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Speaker 4: I think it's quite hard to form a community when

927
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Speaker 4: you've got a society where both parents have to work

928
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Speaker 4: in order to support their families. There's not much time

929
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Speaker 4: or energy left at the end of the day to

930
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Speaker 4: be looking outwards from seven seeing your own little home

931
00:50:10,573 --> 00:50:15,173
Speaker 4: and little environments. And I also think there's an element

932
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Speaker 4: of back in the day when everybody played in the

933
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Speaker 4: street together, no one had anything, so anything that was

934
00:50:21,213 --> 00:50:25,732
Speaker 4: there everyone was sharing. Now a lot of people seem

935
00:50:25,773 --> 00:50:28,093
Speaker 4: to feel guilty because they can't spend that time with

936
00:50:28,133 --> 00:50:31,733
Speaker 4: their children, and so they buy them things. So everybody's

937
00:50:31,773 --> 00:50:36,933
Speaker 4: got everything, but a lack of time maybe with their parents.

938
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Speaker 4: So it's quite hard to find that extra effort and

939
00:50:40,493 --> 00:50:45,013
Speaker 4: time to put into the community. The third point I'd

940
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Speaker 4: like to make is I have volunteered at stages for

941
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Speaker 4: different things, but it ends up being the same people

942
00:50:52,373 --> 00:50:55,213
Speaker 4: over and over again. You're not actually meeting your community

943
00:50:55,253 --> 00:50:59,813
Speaker 4: more and the others are out earning money while you're sacrificing.

944
00:50:59,853 --> 00:51:01,733
Speaker 4: And then they come in with all the flash tools

945
00:51:01,773 --> 00:51:04,133
Speaker 4: and you're sort of like, well, why would why would

946
00:51:04,173 --> 00:51:06,973
Speaker 4: I spend my time because of that?

947
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Speaker 2: My hand up here, Katie, And look, I'm not a

948
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Speaker 2: parent yet hopefully one day soon. But when you talk

949
00:51:14,213 --> 00:51:18,813
Speaker 2: about that community involvement, and we were quite a strong

950
00:51:18,853 --> 00:51:21,253
Speaker 2: that community and some respects down in christ Juge, but

951
00:51:21,773 --> 00:51:23,733
Speaker 2: I didn't put my hand up too many times because

952
00:51:23,773 --> 00:51:25,253
Speaker 2: I looked at it as a chore. And I look

953
00:51:25,293 --> 00:51:27,453
Speaker 2: back at that thinking and say that was poor thinking, Tyler.

954
00:51:27,493 --> 00:51:30,013
Speaker 2: It's not a chore. It's actually getting to know many

955
00:51:30,053 --> 00:51:34,613
Speaker 2: members around your community. But you're quite right because one

956
00:51:34,693 --> 00:51:37,573
Speaker 2: I saw as it was work and I didn't have time,

957
00:51:37,733 --> 00:51:39,733
Speaker 2: and I had a full time job, and I was

958
00:51:39,813 --> 00:51:42,853
Speaker 2: very busy in other aspects of my life. And that

959
00:51:42,893 --> 00:51:44,533
Speaker 2: would be what a lot of people are facing at

960
00:51:44,533 --> 00:51:46,733
Speaker 2: the moment, Katie. As you say, both parents are working

961
00:51:46,893 --> 00:51:49,212
Speaker 2: very busy lives. There's a lot going on, and they

962
00:51:49,213 --> 00:51:51,013
Speaker 2: want to earn money to be able to provide these

963
00:51:51,093 --> 00:51:54,573
Speaker 2: nice things for their kids. That means that their ability

964
00:51:54,693 --> 00:51:57,373
Speaker 2: to volunteer in their community and get to know their

965
00:51:57,373 --> 00:51:59,493
Speaker 2: neighborhood is drastically reduced.

966
00:52:00,533 --> 00:52:01,093
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

967
00:52:01,733 --> 00:52:05,133
Speaker 2: Yep, it's a fair point. I mean. And when you've

968
00:52:05,173 --> 00:52:07,893
Speaker 2: done that volunteer work, I mean, did you get a

969
00:52:08,453 --> 00:52:10,772
Speaker 2: sense of joy in doing that that you did get

970
00:52:10,773 --> 00:52:14,732
Speaker 2: to know those neighbors that enjoyed volunteering as well, or

971
00:52:14,773 --> 00:52:17,933
Speaker 2: did it get to a point where it started to

972
00:52:17,973 --> 00:52:21,093
Speaker 2: become mature that you were too exhausted to put in

973
00:52:22,053 --> 00:52:23,293
Speaker 2: that energy anymore.

974
00:52:24,453 --> 00:52:26,853
Speaker 4: A bit of both. It definitely did start to become

975
00:52:26,893 --> 00:52:29,853
Speaker 4: a chore because there's so few people doing it. So

976
00:52:29,933 --> 00:52:32,493
Speaker 4: I think back in the day where more people are volunteering,

977
00:52:32,533 --> 00:52:34,933
Speaker 4: you could do your small part, but because there's so

978
00:52:35,133 --> 00:52:40,573
Speaker 4: few people, it actually ends up being like an unpaid job. Yeah,

979
00:52:40,293 --> 00:52:43,373
Speaker 4: and so I sort of removed myself from that a

980
00:52:43,413 --> 00:52:45,853
Speaker 4: bit and just help out it with the school things

981
00:52:45,853 --> 00:52:48,293
Speaker 4: and things as I can, rather than being on committees

982
00:52:48,293 --> 00:52:49,733
Speaker 4: as such, which is a shame.

983
00:52:50,813 --> 00:52:52,212
Speaker 2: Can we turn that around, Katy?

984
00:52:54,293 --> 00:52:55,893
Speaker 4: I definitely, I think so.

985
00:52:56,093 --> 00:52:56,293
Speaker 13: Well.

986
00:52:56,573 --> 00:53:00,013
Speaker 4: What I'd like to see is the government text like

987
00:53:00,093 --> 00:53:02,252
Speaker 4: the two you know, take an average for the two

988
00:53:02,813 --> 00:53:06,533
Speaker 4: adults incomes, and so take that is looking like a

989
00:53:06,613 --> 00:53:09,333
Speaker 4: team approach, so that it does give a little bit

990
00:53:09,373 --> 00:53:12,453
Speaker 4: more flex for someone to be more available in the community.

991
00:53:13,413 --> 00:53:17,013
Speaker 4: I work in health, and it's just the full down

992
00:53:17,053 --> 00:53:19,773
Speaker 4: to the community for everybody to have to look to

993
00:53:19,813 --> 00:53:22,893
Speaker 4: government services to take on the roles of what neighbors

994
00:53:22,933 --> 00:53:27,853
Speaker 4: would have previously. I find incredibly sad and loneliness is

995
00:53:28,813 --> 00:53:31,973
Speaker 4: more deadly than cigarettes, and I think as a society

996
00:53:32,013 --> 00:53:34,732
Speaker 4: we really need to start thinking about that and how

997
00:53:34,813 --> 00:53:38,693
Speaker 4: we're going to service each other. The amount of mental

998
00:53:38,893 --> 00:53:42,173
Speaker 4: illness is huge. The amount of loneliness is huge, and

999
00:53:42,213 --> 00:53:46,212
Speaker 4: then there's a truancy and things as well. A lot

1000
00:53:46,253 --> 00:53:50,453
Speaker 4: of this stuff was looked after by communities, and I

1001
00:53:50,453 --> 00:53:51,533
Speaker 4: think that's a real shame.

1002
00:53:51,893 --> 00:53:54,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, really good, cool, Thank you very much, Katie. And

1003
00:53:54,933 --> 00:53:56,772
Speaker 2: you know, I agree with a lot of points Katie

1004
00:53:56,853 --> 00:53:59,853
Speaker 2: was making their around community. It might sound like I'm

1005
00:53:59,893 --> 00:54:03,133
Speaker 2: living in la la land here and fluffy thinking and

1006
00:54:03,373 --> 00:54:06,613
Speaker 2: pine in the sky or roast into glasses, but it's

1007
00:54:06,733 --> 00:54:09,613
Speaker 2: just the reality. Right as you mentioned, loneliness massive thing.

1008
00:54:09,893 --> 00:54:13,773
Speaker 2: We've never been lonelier. When we've got more technology to

1009
00:54:13,773 --> 00:54:16,252
Speaker 2: connect us with people, we're as lonely as we've ever been.

1010
00:54:16,813 --> 00:54:19,773
Speaker 2: And that loss of community and loss of community spirit

1011
00:54:19,813 --> 00:54:23,453
Speaker 2: and known your neighbors, the consequences and the ramifications for

1012
00:54:23,493 --> 00:54:29,053
Speaker 2: that are widespread. And Katie mentioned there that a lot

1013
00:54:29,093 --> 00:54:31,573
Speaker 2: of parents just don't have the time to volunteer and

1014
00:54:31,613 --> 00:54:35,893
Speaker 2: get to know other members of their community, to take

1015
00:54:35,973 --> 00:54:39,333
Speaker 2: pride and doing those things that make a neighborhood in

1016
00:54:39,373 --> 00:54:44,573
Speaker 2: a street joyful. Just doesn't exist anymore. But can you

1017
00:54:44,613 --> 00:54:46,293
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on this one? O eight hundred and

1018
00:54:46,333 --> 00:54:48,733
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's twenty

1019
00:54:48,933 --> 00:54:51,613
Speaker 2: three past two back free shortly here on News Talks.

1020
00:54:51,613 --> 00:54:55,413
Speaker 2: He'd be so great News New Zealand homeowners or want

1021
00:54:55,413 --> 00:54:58,853
Speaker 2: to be homeowners. Dosh has started doing home loans, so

1022
00:54:58,893 --> 00:55:01,652
Speaker 2: these are not your standard run of the mill set up.

1023
00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:05,053
Speaker 2: These are frecking great home loans and better yet, they

1024
00:55:05,093 --> 00:55:07,772
Speaker 2: come with Dosh streaks so you can get cash back

1025
00:55:07,853 --> 00:55:12,013
Speaker 2: every single year you stick with them. How good, So

1026
00:55:12,173 --> 00:55:14,853
Speaker 2: literally you get paid to streak. But Dosh didn't stop

1027
00:55:14,853 --> 00:55:18,053
Speaker 2: their Dosh home loans are also fracking easy to apply

1028
00:55:18,133 --> 00:55:22,053
Speaker 2: for online and there's no paperwork to apply. It's all online,

1029
00:55:22,173 --> 00:55:24,453
Speaker 2: so you can apply for a home loan in your

1030
00:55:24,453 --> 00:55:27,093
Speaker 2: slippers if you want to do that. Not on Dosh yet,

1031
00:55:27,173 --> 00:55:30,053
Speaker 2: just go to Dosh dot NZ to check out their

1032
00:55:30,093 --> 00:55:33,733
Speaker 2: freaking great home loans. Dosh home loans are approved, issued

1033
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Speaker 2: and managed by Westpac New Zealand Limited and are promoted

1034
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1035
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Speaker 1: Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred

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00:55:54,533 --> 00:55:56,413
Speaker 1: eighty eighty on News Talk ZB.

1039
00:55:57,253 --> 00:56:00,573
Speaker 2: Good Afternoon Mad is off today's back tomorrow. So I'm

1040
00:56:00,613 --> 00:56:03,293
Speaker 2: flying solo and having a great discussion about the decline

1041
00:56:03,333 --> 00:56:07,253
Speaker 2: of community and whether we, as upstanding members of our

1042
00:56:07,253 --> 00:56:10,213
Speaker 2: neighborhoods and community have any part to play in dealing

1043
00:56:10,253 --> 00:56:14,053
Speaker 2: with truancy and dealing with other problems of children in

1044
00:56:14,053 --> 00:56:18,053
Speaker 2: the community. Tim, how are you? Oh well, Tyler, and

1045
00:56:18,093 --> 00:56:20,213
Speaker 2: you're very good, my friend. What's your thoughts on this?

1046
00:56:21,373 --> 00:56:23,933
Speaker 17: Hey, sirs, you're doing a good job. Sale, Thank you mate.

1047
00:56:24,013 --> 00:56:29,493
Speaker 17: I'm so this is that okay? David Seymour knowing he

1048
00:56:29,693 --> 00:56:34,253
Speaker 17: seems like a pretty sound blank good idea, except for

1049
00:56:36,013 --> 00:56:41,373
Speaker 17: approaching kids during school, I was, you know, if they're

1050
00:56:41,373 --> 00:56:45,853
Speaker 17: walking down the street in not such a good idea,

1051
00:56:48,813 --> 00:56:53,093
Speaker 17: you know, there's all Yeah, I think the only reason,

1052
00:56:53,773 --> 00:56:56,733
Speaker 17: the only reason I would stop and going to a

1053
00:56:56,813 --> 00:57:00,772
Speaker 17: kid because if they were in distress, you know, whether

1054
00:57:00,813 --> 00:57:03,453
Speaker 17: they were getting bullied or something. You know, you could

1055
00:57:03,453 --> 00:57:08,133
Speaker 17: see they were getting hassled by someone and probably seeing another,

1056
00:57:08,413 --> 00:57:11,573
Speaker 17: don't you know, if they're in a stress situation with

1057
00:57:11,613 --> 00:57:14,213
Speaker 17: an adult speaking to them, there would give be cause

1058
00:57:14,293 --> 00:57:17,173
Speaker 17: to intervene to see what was going on.

1059
00:57:17,413 --> 00:57:20,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people would agree with to them.

1060
00:57:20,053 --> 00:57:22,533
Speaker 2: I mean, just to expand on your first point. So

1061
00:57:22,573 --> 00:57:25,213
Speaker 2: you're talking maybe they're older kids, and maybe there's a

1062
00:57:25,213 --> 00:57:28,093
Speaker 2: whole bunch of them and they're doing something illegal, they

1063
00:57:28,613 --> 00:57:32,253
Speaker 2: vandalizing something, or that they're up to no good. A

1064
00:57:32,293 --> 00:57:34,973
Speaker 2: lot of people would feel that if they approached those

1065
00:57:35,093 --> 00:57:39,853
Speaker 2: children and say something, it could backfire very badly on them,

1066
00:57:39,933 --> 00:57:40,693
Speaker 2: that's what you're saying.

1067
00:57:42,693 --> 00:57:45,733
Speaker 17: Well, there's that. I hadn't quite considered it, but it's

1068
00:57:45,773 --> 00:57:50,253
Speaker 17: absolutely right. Also, it could come back on the person

1069
00:57:50,293 --> 00:57:54,053
Speaker 17: who's trying to do the right thing, which is all

1070
00:57:54,093 --> 00:57:58,813
Speaker 17: you know. Ninety nine point nine percent of us would think, oh, yeah,

1071
00:57:59,053 --> 00:58:02,453
Speaker 17: we'll get little Johnny squared away and back into school

1072
00:58:02,453 --> 00:58:05,453
Speaker 17: because that's the right thing to do. Ye, But there's

1073
00:58:05,493 --> 00:58:10,853
Speaker 17: some devious people out there, and having a conversation like

1074
00:58:10,933 --> 00:58:15,813
Speaker 17: that with a they get on a street could turn

1075
00:58:15,853 --> 00:58:18,013
Speaker 17: around on you quite bare the eye, would have thought,

1076
00:58:18,093 --> 00:58:23,413
Speaker 17: if you you know, the retaliatory measure. Some people don't

1077
00:58:23,453 --> 00:58:27,893
Speaker 17: take to being given advice very well. You know, you

1078
00:58:27,933 --> 00:58:29,493
Speaker 17: know what I'm saying, I'm doing.

1079
00:58:29,453 --> 00:58:31,493
Speaker 2: I do you know? And I suppose that that is

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00:58:31,533 --> 00:58:34,013
Speaker 2: a big sorry. You carry on.

1081
00:58:34,053 --> 00:58:36,413
Speaker 17: You've got to be careful, no, yeah, you've got to

1082
00:58:36,493 --> 00:58:39,413
Speaker 17: be careful in this world. So continue to do the

1083
00:58:39,493 --> 00:58:43,093
Speaker 17: right thing where you can, and also maybe there should

1084
00:58:43,093 --> 00:58:47,013
Speaker 17: be if there are people employed to be, you know,

1085
00:58:47,133 --> 00:58:49,453
Speaker 17: target the main areas where these kids may be. Are

1086
00:58:49,493 --> 00:58:52,093
Speaker 17: they going to maules, are they going to certain areas,

1087
00:58:52,853 --> 00:58:57,253
Speaker 17: or have social workers walking the beat as it were.

1088
00:58:58,613 --> 00:59:02,133
Speaker 17: At least they're authorized and they're covered, and they're probably

1089
00:59:02,253 --> 00:59:05,773
Speaker 17: these events will be recorded so that nothing can come

1090
00:59:05,813 --> 00:59:09,053
Speaker 17: back on them. So seems it's a good idea. Let's

1091
00:59:09,093 --> 00:59:13,333
Speaker 17: keep keep their man yourself safe whilst doing it.

1092
00:59:13,573 --> 00:59:16,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair point and a lot of texts

1093
00:59:16,653 --> 00:59:19,933
Speaker 2: have alluded to that that it is not like it

1094
00:59:20,133 --> 00:59:22,693
Speaker 2: was twenty thirty forty years ago that if you did

1095
00:59:22,733 --> 00:59:25,533
Speaker 2: get yelled at by an ad or told to buck

1096
00:59:25,613 --> 00:59:29,733
Speaker 2: up or get back to school or stop misbehavior in public,

1097
00:59:29,893 --> 00:59:32,733
Speaker 2: then you listened and you did that. Times have changed.

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00:59:33,573 --> 00:59:36,293
Speaker 2: So thank you very much for your call and to

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00:59:36,333 --> 00:59:39,693
Speaker 2: everybody else who phoned and text on that discussion. Really

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00:59:39,773 --> 00:59:42,653
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. But we're going to change tech after the

1101
00:59:42,693 --> 00:59:44,173
Speaker 2: headlines coming up, I do want to have a chat

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00:59:44,213 --> 00:59:47,293
Speaker 2: about tiny homes. Some confusion when it comes to the

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00:59:47,333 --> 00:59:51,573
Speaker 2: regulations around tiny homes on wheels or not. There are

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00:59:51,653 --> 00:59:55,973
Speaker 2: differences between districts and councils on how they view a

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00:59:56,013 --> 00:59:58,733
Speaker 2: tiny home that is on wills, some classroom as vehicles,

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00:59:58,733 --> 01:00:00,853
Speaker 2: some classroom as buildings, and if it is class as

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01:00:00,853 --> 01:00:03,413
Speaker 2: a building, that means that you more likely than not

1108
01:00:03,493 --> 01:00:06,453
Speaker 2: have to go through a lengthy, lengthy consent process. So

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01:00:06,533 --> 01:00:08,253
Speaker 2: really can have a chat with you if you've gone

1110
01:00:08,493 --> 01:00:11,653
Speaker 2: down the path of a tiny home on your land,

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01:00:11,933 --> 01:00:13,813
Speaker 2: Really keen to a check with you on eight hundred

1112
01:00:13,853 --> 01:00:16,293
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. How hard was it? Did you have

1113
01:00:16,333 --> 01:00:18,933
Speaker 2: to jump through a bunch of hoops? Did the council

1114
01:00:19,053 --> 01:00:21,813
Speaker 2: question it when you chucked it on wheels? Really keen

1115
01:00:21,933 --> 01:00:24,213
Speaker 2: to hear your experiences. And if you tried to borrow

1116
01:00:24,293 --> 01:00:27,013
Speaker 2: money for a tiny home. I have heard many people

1117
01:00:27,053 --> 01:00:29,813
Speaker 2: struggling to get a loan when they are looking at

1118
01:00:29,813 --> 01:00:31,773
Speaker 2: a tiny home, and that is just the reality. The

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01:00:31,813 --> 01:00:33,493
Speaker 2: only option for a lot of people out there at

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01:00:33,533 --> 01:00:35,893
Speaker 2: the moment is they might not have the deposit or

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01:00:35,933 --> 01:00:38,253
Speaker 2: the money for a standalone house, so they're looking at

1122
01:00:38,253 --> 01:00:40,813
Speaker 2: the tiny home and it appears to be quite challenging

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01:00:40,933 --> 01:00:42,853
Speaker 2: to get that over the line. So really keen to

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01:00:43,013 --> 01:00:45,613
Speaker 2: get your stories. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

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01:00:45,613 --> 01:00:47,013
Speaker 2: the number to call if you want to tax nine

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01:00:47,093 --> 01:00:49,933
Speaker 2: two ninety two is that number and my email Tyler

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01:00:49,933 --> 01:00:52,613
Speaker 2: at newstalk zb dot co dot ends it. It's twenty

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Speaker 2: nine two three.

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Speaker 1: Jus talks be headlines with blue bubble.

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Speaker 3: Taxis It's no trouble with a blue bubble. A unise

1131
01:01:02,733 --> 01:01:06,653
Speaker 3: For report confirms times are tough for keywekids, ranking their

1132
01:01:06,693 --> 01:01:10,613
Speaker 3: mental well being lowest out of thirty six countries. New

1133
01:01:10,733 --> 01:01:14,293
Speaker 3: Zealand also has the second highest percentage of bullied children

1134
01:01:14,533 --> 01:01:19,773
Speaker 3: between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty two. Homicide Investigations underway

1135
01:01:19,933 --> 01:01:23,773
Speaker 3: into a woman's death in Hamilton's Melville while standing next

1136
01:01:23,773 --> 01:01:26,093
Speaker 3: to a powerpole hit by a car.

1137
01:01:26,133 --> 01:01:26,813
Speaker 2: This morning.

1138
01:01:27,613 --> 01:01:31,333
Speaker 3: The PSAs taking legal action against Health New Zealand, trying

1139
01:01:31,373 --> 01:01:35,053
Speaker 3: to stop another round of job cuts. A council vote

1140
01:01:35,053 --> 01:01:38,293
Speaker 3: has passed in Hodefenua nine votes to three to give

1141
01:01:38,333 --> 01:01:42,733
Speaker 3: EWE first right of refusal on sales of surplus council property.

1142
01:01:43,613 --> 01:01:45,973
Speaker 3: A thirty nine year old man's before the White Targety

1143
01:01:46,013 --> 01:01:49,493
Speaker 3: District Court, accused of alego stealing spree across the North

1144
01:01:49,533 --> 01:01:54,373
Speaker 3: Island since January, A whopping sixty five point three percent

1145
01:01:54,533 --> 01:01:57,853
Speaker 3: rise for butter year on year to April is causing

1146
01:01:57,893 --> 01:02:01,573
Speaker 3: pain at the checkout. Cheese went up twenty four percent

1147
01:02:01,653 --> 01:02:06,133
Speaker 3: and milk fifteen point one. Gregor Paul on how corporate

1148
01:02:06,213 --> 01:02:10,253
Speaker 3: greed could price fans out of rugby's biggest match see

1149
01:02:10,253 --> 01:02:12,933
Speaker 3: the full column at and said here, well premium back

1150
01:02:13,053 --> 01:02:14,773
Speaker 3: to Tyler Adams.

1151
01:02:14,413 --> 01:02:17,693
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Ray Lean and I want to

1152
01:02:17,693 --> 01:02:19,493
Speaker 2: have a chat about tiny holmes. It was a great

1153
01:02:19,493 --> 01:02:22,213
Speaker 2: discussion last ninety minutes, so thank you very much to

1154
01:02:22,253 --> 01:02:24,853
Speaker 2: everyone who phoned and called about the decline in the community.

1155
01:02:24,893 --> 01:02:27,573
Speaker 2: But tiny homes are back in the news. So a

1156
01:02:27,573 --> 01:02:30,173
Speaker 2: growing number of tiny homes on wheels are appearing on

1157
01:02:30,253 --> 01:02:33,853
Speaker 2: sections and landscapes around New Zealand. The interpretation of the

1158
01:02:33,933 --> 01:02:38,733
Speaker 2: rules around these tiny homes has varied between districts and councils,

1159
01:02:38,733 --> 01:02:42,293
Speaker 2: so particularly to whether they are a vehicle, classes a

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01:02:42,373 --> 01:02:45,413
Speaker 2: vehicle or classed as a building. If they are classed

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01:02:45,413 --> 01:02:48,093
Speaker 2: as a building, they're more often than not you've got

1162
01:02:48,093 --> 01:02:52,093
Speaker 2: to go through a lengths lengthy council consent process. So

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01:02:52,213 --> 01:02:54,813
Speaker 2: owners of these tiny homes are calling for clarity and

1164
01:02:54,973 --> 01:02:58,413
Speaker 2: consistency and even these new granny flat rules that are

1165
01:02:58,453 --> 01:03:00,973
Speaker 2: likely to come into force next year won't help. Indications

1166
01:03:01,013 --> 01:03:04,653
Speaker 2: from ministers suggest the situation will remain as it is.

1167
01:03:04,693 --> 01:03:06,373
Speaker 2: So really keen to hear from you if you have

1168
01:03:06,573 --> 01:03:10,093
Speaker 2: had an experience with trying to build a tiny home

1169
01:03:10,253 --> 01:03:12,693
Speaker 2: or get a tiny home on your property. Oh, eight

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01:03:12,773 --> 01:03:16,813
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty. It does seem ridiculous that the

1171
01:03:17,413 --> 01:03:21,133
Speaker 2: regulations differ between councils. Consistency I think would be key

1172
01:03:21,173 --> 01:03:25,173
Speaker 2: here where if you've got a tiny home in Canterbury

1173
01:03:25,253 --> 01:03:28,413
Speaker 2: they look to class that as a building rather than

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01:03:28,453 --> 01:03:31,253
Speaker 2: a vehicle, and a Masterton they classes as a vehicle.

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01:03:31,733 --> 01:03:34,253
Speaker 2: I mean that is that is ludicrous. So if you've

1176
01:03:34,293 --> 01:03:37,693
Speaker 2: had to jump through significant hoops to get a tiny

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01:03:37,733 --> 01:03:39,853
Speaker 2: home built or on your property, love to hear from you.

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01:03:39,933 --> 01:03:42,933
Speaker 2: On eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I've had heard from

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01:03:44,253 --> 01:03:46,613
Speaker 2: people who have tried to get a loan from their

1180
01:03:46,693 --> 01:03:51,453
Speaker 2: bank to get into a tiny home incredibly difficult, in

1181
01:03:51,493 --> 01:03:54,013
Speaker 2: fact nigh on and possible to get a mortgage. They've

1182
01:03:54,013 --> 01:03:59,133
Speaker 2: had to go the personal loan route because again the

1183
01:03:59,173 --> 01:04:02,493
Speaker 2: banks class it as a vehicle rather than a building.

1184
01:04:02,813 --> 01:04:04,773
Speaker 2: And when you've got many many people out there in

1185
01:04:04,813 --> 01:04:07,853
Speaker 2: New Zealand that do not have enough of a deposit

1186
01:04:08,013 --> 01:04:10,653
Speaker 2: or an not enough financial position to buy a standalone house.

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01:04:11,333 --> 01:04:15,093
Speaker 2: I would have thought getting into a tiny home would

1188
01:04:15,133 --> 01:04:20,533
Speaker 2: be encouraged. But keen to get your stories about tiny homes. Oh,

1189
01:04:20,573 --> 01:04:23,373
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It certainly exploded in

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01:04:23,493 --> 01:04:27,573
Speaker 2: recent years, a massive trend of tiny home building. I'm

1191
01:04:27,613 --> 01:04:29,173
Speaker 2: really going to hear from you on this one, but

1192
01:04:29,253 --> 01:04:31,293
Speaker 2: let's go to Cheryl. How are you this afternoon?

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01:04:31,333 --> 01:04:31,613
Speaker 5: Cheryl?

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01:04:32,613 --> 01:04:34,213
Speaker 23: Oh, very well, how are you doing?

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01:04:34,413 --> 01:04:36,933
Speaker 2: I'm very well. You've got a tiny home?

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Speaker 17: Is that right?

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01:04:38,373 --> 01:04:38,573
Speaker 15: Yes?

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Speaker 23: So I was looking around for a tiny home and

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Speaker 23: I eventually settled on one that I bought it and

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01:04:46,733 --> 01:04:50,093
Speaker 23: now well here and I was get it by them

1201
01:04:50,133 --> 01:04:52,773
Speaker 23: because they said they were actually selling quite a few

1202
01:04:52,773 --> 01:04:57,453
Speaker 23: of them. They were on wheel, and so there was

1203
01:04:57,453 --> 01:05:00,133
Speaker 23: no restrictions as to where I parted it. It was

1204
01:05:00,173 --> 01:05:03,693
Speaker 23: being treated as a vehicle. So I checked with my

1205
01:05:03,773 --> 01:05:06,733
Speaker 23: counsel and the lady on the site. First of all,

1206
01:05:06,773 --> 01:05:09,053
Speaker 23: she said, I, yes, you would need one, But when

1207
01:05:09,093 --> 01:05:11,333
Speaker 23: she realized that it was on a wheel, she said, no,

1208
01:05:11,493 --> 01:05:15,693
Speaker 23: that's classified as a trailer and I wouldn't need it. Right, So,

1209
01:05:15,853 --> 01:05:19,453
Speaker 23: when you had purchased it, put it on the front

1210
01:05:19,493 --> 01:05:23,613
Speaker 23: of my daughter's section. Within a week, we've got somebody

1211
01:05:23,653 --> 01:05:26,573
Speaker 23: reported and said that there was a tiny home there

1212
01:05:26,653 --> 01:05:30,613
Speaker 23: and we got told that I had to stop any

1213
01:05:30,733 --> 01:05:35,053
Speaker 23: type of connecting power or anything to the house. Took

1214
01:05:35,133 --> 01:05:40,573
Speaker 23: over a year of my house sitting there. They wouldn't

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01:05:40,613 --> 01:05:43,013
Speaker 23: let me move in. They were threatening me that I

1216
01:05:43,013 --> 01:05:45,653
Speaker 23: would have to take it off the section. It was

1217
01:05:46,373 --> 01:05:50,533
Speaker 23: registered as a trailer. It's warranted as a trailer. The

1218
01:05:50,613 --> 01:05:55,653
Speaker 23: insurance can't say that didn't meet their definition of a resident.

1219
01:05:56,053 --> 01:05:59,493
Speaker 23: So it was insured as a trailer. I phoned up

1220
01:05:59,733 --> 01:06:03,293
Speaker 23: rocket coach party and they said the only thing that

1221
01:06:03,893 --> 01:06:06,693
Speaker 23: they needed to know is can it be told? And

1222
01:06:06,733 --> 01:06:10,653
Speaker 23: I said yes, And they said does it have a drawbout?

1223
01:06:10,653 --> 01:06:12,093
Speaker 23: And that's the only way I could be moved in

1224
01:06:12,213 --> 01:06:16,613
Speaker 23: ninety years. They said that trailer. My council was saying

1225
01:06:16,693 --> 01:06:20,853
Speaker 23: that it was a resident and I had to go

1226
01:06:20,973 --> 01:06:27,573
Speaker 23: through the coats and had to have a get a

1227
01:06:27,613 --> 01:06:30,813
Speaker 23: resource and it took there for a year before I

1228
01:06:30,853 --> 01:06:31,893
Speaker 23: could move into Bahim.

1229
01:06:32,933 --> 01:06:36,053
Speaker 2: And so see there's where the confusion lies. Shell So

1230
01:06:37,133 --> 01:06:38,693
Speaker 2: was a house in New Zealand that said that was

1231
01:06:38,733 --> 01:06:41,373
Speaker 2: a trailer and a vehicle, then your local councils say

1232
01:06:41,453 --> 01:06:43,133
Speaker 2: no it's a building. You've got to come to us

1233
01:06:43,173 --> 01:06:45,733
Speaker 2: to get a consent, which is a mass of pain.

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01:06:45,893 --> 01:06:48,293
Speaker 2: Everybody knows that, to try and go through their process,

1235
01:06:48,333 --> 01:06:49,893
Speaker 2: and they've got to come out, they've got to inspect

1236
01:06:49,933 --> 01:06:52,093
Speaker 2: it and all that sort of p lava. And so

1237
01:06:52,213 --> 01:06:54,733
Speaker 2: it took a year for you to get that consent

1238
01:06:54,813 --> 01:06:56,933
Speaker 2: before finally the council left you alone.

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01:06:57,653 --> 01:07:00,253
Speaker 23: Well I think they were sick of me and my tears.

1240
01:07:01,053 --> 01:07:04,853
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, this is a ridiculousness of it, though,

1241
01:07:04,893 --> 01:07:07,533
Speaker 2: wasn't it, Cheryl that? I mean, you've wasted a year

1242
01:07:07,573 --> 01:07:10,853
Speaker 2: of your time in life. That's a year of god

1243
01:07:10,933 --> 01:07:13,573
Speaker 2: knows how many man hours at the council trying to

1244
01:07:13,893 --> 01:07:17,173
Speaker 2: deal with that plava. It is just such a waste

1245
01:07:17,173 --> 01:07:17,613
Speaker 2: of time.

1246
01:07:18,573 --> 01:07:19,413
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, it is.

1247
01:07:19,733 --> 01:07:22,733
Speaker 23: Because then I actually went round and I find out

1248
01:07:23,493 --> 01:07:25,733
Speaker 23: a lot of the councils around me, from here down

1249
01:07:25,733 --> 01:07:28,853
Speaker 23: to Taraniki to all the one you know, fairly close

1250
01:07:28,893 --> 01:07:33,253
Speaker 23: to here, and everybody had a different idea or they

1251
01:07:33,333 --> 01:07:36,653
Speaker 23: had no idea. And I think that's what's happening. You know,

1252
01:07:36,733 --> 01:07:41,413
Speaker 23: these tiny homes are exploding on the out of the community.

1253
01:07:41,453 --> 01:07:44,253
Speaker 23: Now the councils haven't caught up with it, and they're

1254
01:07:44,333 --> 01:07:47,613
Speaker 23: just making their own rules. You know what summer say,

1255
01:07:47,773 --> 01:07:50,933
Speaker 23: you say a vehicle, others are saying, no, it's a residence.

1256
01:07:51,133 --> 01:07:53,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, how's the tiny home going now? Now that you've

1257
01:07:53,733 --> 01:07:55,973
Speaker 2: finally dealt with that crazy?

1258
01:07:56,293 --> 01:08:00,093
Speaker 23: Absolutely, it's absolutely beautiful. You know, I'm really liking it.

1259
01:08:00,293 --> 01:08:01,173
Speaker 2: How many bedrooms?

1260
01:08:02,173 --> 01:08:05,533
Speaker 23: Well, it's only a little late G three, so it's got.

1261
01:08:05,493 --> 01:08:08,493
Speaker 2: A week bedroom, a nice little loungeria, bit of a kitchen.

1262
01:08:08,973 --> 01:08:10,933
Speaker 23: In a lands kitchen, the area and it's got to

1263
01:08:11,213 --> 01:08:12,413
Speaker 23: be big, but.

1264
01:08:13,133 --> 01:08:13,653
Speaker 15: Shower and.

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01:08:15,333 --> 01:08:16,612
Speaker 2: What did you pay for it? If you don't mind

1266
01:08:16,613 --> 01:08:17,013
Speaker 2: me asking?

1267
01:08:17,053 --> 01:08:21,053
Speaker 23: Shelley semi out And I was caught the same with

1268
01:08:21,173 --> 01:08:23,492
Speaker 23: a lot of people banks and and unterested for the

1269
01:08:23,532 --> 01:08:26,293
Speaker 23: main reason that I don't own the land and it

1270
01:08:26,372 --> 01:08:28,452
Speaker 23: was going on. If I owned the land that the

1271
01:08:28,572 --> 01:08:30,732
Speaker 23: tiny home was going on, it would not have been

1272
01:08:30,772 --> 01:08:33,892
Speaker 23: a problem because I was putting it on my daughter's section.

1273
01:08:34,253 --> 01:08:37,293
Speaker 23: There was nothing and I was lucky and I had

1274
01:08:37,372 --> 01:08:40,812
Speaker 23: enough my key savor to buy it outright.

1275
01:08:40,973 --> 01:08:44,812
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, Shelley, thank you very much. But you've

1276
01:08:45,053 --> 01:08:47,452
Speaker 2: illustrated the point of this story, and my point very

1277
01:08:47,452 --> 01:08:50,012
Speaker 2: well that this is this is crazy that nobody can

1278
01:08:50,333 --> 01:08:52,412
Speaker 2: agree on whether it's a vehicle vehicle or not, but

1279
01:08:53,173 --> 01:08:56,973
Speaker 2: I think it should be consistent across the country. But

1280
01:08:57,013 --> 01:08:58,652
Speaker 2: if it's on wheels, it should be a vehicle. And

1281
01:08:58,652 --> 01:09:00,652
Speaker 2: they should be making it easy to get tiny homes.

1282
01:09:00,692 --> 01:09:03,092
Speaker 2: Like you're set up right that there are many people

1283
01:09:03,133 --> 01:09:06,452
Speaker 2: that struggle to get into a standalone house for whatever reason.

1284
01:09:06,492 --> 01:09:09,973
Speaker 2: You know, financial crimes happen in people's lives, and if

1285
01:09:10,013 --> 01:09:12,372
Speaker 2: you've got, in your case, seventy five thousand dollars to

1286
01:09:12,372 --> 01:09:15,053
Speaker 2: put into a tiny home that suits you perfectly, they

1287
01:09:15,093 --> 01:09:17,133
Speaker 2: should be making that as easy as possible.

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Speaker 23: Exactly because they decided the housing crimes us out there.

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01:09:20,412 --> 01:09:23,253
Speaker 23: People are trying to find their own solutions to us,

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01:09:23,452 --> 01:09:26,933
Speaker 23: and the cattle are just making it so difficult for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cheryl, thank you very much for giving us a

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01:09:29,253 --> 01:09:30,852
Speaker 2: buzz and kicking us off on this one. I eight

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01:09:30,933 --> 01:09:32,972
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're in a tiny home,

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01:09:33,013 --> 01:09:36,012
Speaker 2: love to hear from you. How much did it cost?

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01:09:36,013 --> 01:09:37,572
Speaker 2: How many bedrooms do you get out of it? Was

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01:09:37,572 --> 01:09:39,612
Speaker 2: it easy to set up? Is it on wheels? Did

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01:09:39,612 --> 01:09:42,732
Speaker 2: you have fights with your counsel it was? It has

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01:09:42,772 --> 01:09:44,732
Speaker 2: been a massive trend over the past few years for

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01:09:44,812 --> 01:09:47,412
Speaker 2: obvious reasons, and just on the size of the home.

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01:09:47,652 --> 01:09:49,812
Speaker 2: If you're living in a tiny home and you're a

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01:09:49,812 --> 01:09:51,892
Speaker 2: bit nervous about the size of it, you've found out

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01:09:52,253 --> 01:09:55,572
Speaker 2: it is perfect. Really keen to have a chat with

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01:09:55,572 --> 01:09:57,972
Speaker 2: you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I do think

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01:09:58,013 --> 01:10:01,412
Speaker 2: sometimes the size of our homes that we live in

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01:10:02,013 --> 01:10:07,853
Speaker 2: too big, too big, And if you perhaps are downsizing,

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01:10:08,013 --> 01:10:10,492
Speaker 2: what wrong with the tiny home? You've got one bedroom,

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01:10:10,572 --> 01:10:13,692
Speaker 2: nice little lounge, bit of a kitchen, bathroom, so you

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01:10:13,772 --> 01:10:15,973
Speaker 2: need isn't it? Can to have a chat with you. Oh,

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01:10:15,973 --> 01:10:17,772
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen to three.

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01:10:21,253 --> 01:10:23,892
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty

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01:10:23,933 --> 01:10:28,013
Speaker 1: ten eighty. Mart Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons used talk said, be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon to you. We're talking about tiny homes. There

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01:10:31,893 --> 01:10:34,732
Speaker 2: is a little bit of anger, frustration, confusion about the

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01:10:34,772 --> 01:10:37,652
Speaker 2: regulations for tiny homes across the country when those tiny

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01:10:37,652 --> 01:10:40,652
Speaker 2: homes are on wheels, whether they are moved around on

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01:10:40,692 --> 01:10:42,732
Speaker 2: a regular basis or not. If you're in a tiny home,

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01:10:42,812 --> 01:10:45,213
Speaker 2: love to hear from you, but the frustration lies in

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01:10:45,293 --> 01:10:49,932
Speaker 2: how the council classifies that tiny home. Some councils see

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01:10:49,933 --> 01:10:52,452
Speaker 2: it as a vehicle, which means no consent is needed,

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01:10:52,492 --> 01:10:54,812
Speaker 2: and some see it as a structure or a building,

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01:10:55,133 --> 01:10:56,933
Speaker 2: which means more often than not you've got to go

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01:10:56,973 --> 01:11:01,732
Speaker 2: through a lengthy consent process to get it over the line.

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01:11:01,812 --> 01:11:03,253
Speaker 2: So can you get your views on this? So eight

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01:11:03,372 --> 01:11:06,852
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty there are a significant cause for

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01:11:06,933 --> 01:11:09,253
Speaker 2: consistency around the country on that. But also with the

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01:11:09,293 --> 01:11:12,133
Speaker 2: new granny flat rules that are likely to come into

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01:11:12,213 --> 01:11:16,293
Speaker 2: force next year, doesn't make any sense that there is

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01:11:16,532 --> 01:11:20,293
Speaker 2: confusion and inconsistency with these tiny homes. Effectively, a tiny

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01:11:20,293 --> 01:11:22,612
Speaker 2: home would be a granny flat, right, So if it's

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01:11:22,652 --> 01:11:24,692
Speaker 2: going to be okay for a granny flat to be

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01:11:24,692 --> 01:11:28,852
Speaker 2: able to be built out on your land without needing consent,

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01:11:29,173 --> 01:11:31,652
Speaker 2: then surely the same should apply to tiny homes, right

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01:11:31,692 --> 01:11:33,492
Speaker 2: Because as it stands at the moment, it doesn't look

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01:11:33,973 --> 01:11:38,213
Speaker 2: like that will happen. Indications from ministers suggest the situations

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01:11:38,213 --> 01:11:40,412
Speaker 2: with tiny homes will remain as it is. So really

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01:11:40,412 --> 01:11:42,052
Speaker 2: can you hear from you? Oh, eight hundred and eighty

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01:11:42,253 --> 01:11:47,412
Speaker 2: ten eighty Jason, get a mate? O? How you going

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01:11:47,692 --> 01:11:49,253
Speaker 2: very good? You sell tiny homes?

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Speaker 24: I do but just to add to fire to the same,

1341
01:11:55,013 --> 01:11:58,972
Speaker 24: I sell transportable homes. They're actually converted shipping containers, right,

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01:11:59,093 --> 01:12:00,652
Speaker 24: so container homes.

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01:12:00,652 --> 01:12:01,333
Speaker 17: But they.

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01:12:02,732 --> 01:12:06,093
Speaker 24: They fit the description of everything, and it depends which

1345
01:12:06,093 --> 01:12:09,572
Speaker 24: counsel you're with. We sell them based out of Auckland,

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01:12:09,812 --> 01:12:14,933
Speaker 24: so they fit the They don't need consent based on

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01:12:14,973 --> 01:12:18,253
Speaker 24: their size, but because they've got plumbing, and then the

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01:12:18,253 --> 01:12:20,213
Speaker 24: council tend to be more worried about how you connect

1349
01:12:20,293 --> 01:12:22,052
Speaker 24: as opposed to the size of the building and everything

1350
01:12:22,053 --> 01:12:27,572
Speaker 24: else to do with it. Right, definition wise, they class

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01:12:27,572 --> 01:12:30,333
Speaker 24: them as transportable. Depends who you get on the phone,

1352
01:12:30,372 --> 01:12:31,772
Speaker 24: some of the thoughts some of the other callers have

1353
01:12:31,853 --> 01:12:33,652
Speaker 24: been moaning about depending on.

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01:12:33,612 --> 01:12:34,133
Speaker 14: Who you get.

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01:12:34,812 --> 01:12:37,772
Speaker 24: They've all got their own individual definitions and the rules

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01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:41,333
Speaker 24: as written by the councils or just they're open for

1357
01:12:41,372 --> 01:12:43,093
Speaker 24: interpretation if you can argue it the right way.

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01:12:43,853 --> 01:12:47,652
Speaker 2: And so, and here is where the frustration lies, Jason,

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01:12:47,652 --> 01:12:49,612
Speaker 2: and you're in the industry, you're right in the middle

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01:12:49,652 --> 01:12:51,572
Speaker 2: of this. So is there an easy way to get

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01:12:51,612 --> 01:12:54,893
Speaker 2: consistency here? I mean, does there need to be clarification

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01:12:55,013 --> 01:12:57,772
Speaker 2: about tiny home? If it's got wheels, it should be

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01:12:57,812 --> 01:13:00,053
Speaker 2: classified as a vehicle by all councils or is it

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01:13:00,093 --> 01:13:00,692
Speaker 2: not that simple?

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01:13:03,412 --> 01:13:06,333
Speaker 24: It is that simple, depending on who the council is

1366
01:13:06,372 --> 01:13:09,132
Speaker 24: you're dealing with, and not to get too many secrets

1367
01:13:09,173 --> 01:13:12,053
Speaker 24: away with what we've done, but we've managed to put

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01:13:12,093 --> 01:13:14,452
Speaker 24: wheels on a container just to call it transportable, and

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01:13:14,492 --> 01:13:16,412
Speaker 24: that got it over the line with a council member

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01:13:16,412 --> 01:13:20,013
Speaker 24: that said they wanted it to be transportable. That's how

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01:13:20,053 --> 01:13:21,572
Speaker 24: ridiculous that one instance was.

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01:13:21,812 --> 01:13:25,333
Speaker 2: That's crazy. And I suppose you know I mentioned before

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01:13:25,412 --> 01:13:27,852
Speaker 2: Jason that I've heard from people who didn't quite have

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01:13:27,933 --> 01:13:30,053
Speaker 2: the deposital money to get a standalone house, so they

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01:13:30,093 --> 01:13:31,852
Speaker 2: wanted to get a tiny home that was going to

1376
01:13:31,853 --> 01:13:34,972
Speaker 2: suit them perfectly. That's all they needed. But even going

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01:13:35,013 --> 01:13:38,093
Speaker 2: to a bank to try and get a loan incredibly

1378
01:13:38,133 --> 01:13:41,812
Speaker 2: difficult because the bank is going by the regulations of

1379
01:13:41,812 --> 01:13:44,492
Speaker 2: the council and what it is classified, whether it is

1380
01:13:44,853 --> 01:13:46,092
Speaker 2: a vehicle or a building.

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01:13:47,093 --> 01:13:49,732
Speaker 5: Is that your understanding correct.

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01:13:49,853 --> 01:13:51,892
Speaker 24: So we've had the only time we've had a bit

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01:13:51,893 --> 01:13:54,213
Speaker 24: of a sideline to that is people have been able

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01:13:54,253 --> 01:13:56,772
Speaker 24: to withdraw their kV saver towards the first home. Not

1385
01:13:56,853 --> 01:13:59,173
Speaker 24: all the time, depending on your provider, but I've had

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01:13:59,612 --> 01:14:01,973
Speaker 24: two purchases that had enough in their kV saver to

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01:14:01,973 --> 01:14:06,412
Speaker 24: buy one outright pouser bit not quite as expensive as

1388
01:14:06,412 --> 01:14:11,213
Speaker 24: some homes, but they Yeah, I'm not advertising it, but

1389
01:14:11,213 --> 01:14:13,293
Speaker 24: you know what I mean. Yeah, so they've managed to

1390
01:14:13,372 --> 01:14:16,452
Speaker 24: use their chemi salver instead of a deposit. They've purchased outright.

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01:14:16,732 --> 01:14:19,052
Speaker 24: The only alternative for us, because people have been knocked

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01:14:19,053 --> 01:14:20,372
Speaker 24: back by the bank and they don't want to go

1393
01:14:20,412 --> 01:14:24,933
Speaker 24: down personal loans, is finance, which we do set up

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01:14:24,973 --> 01:14:28,093
Speaker 24: with them. But again it's you know, you end up

1395
01:14:28,133 --> 01:14:30,333
Speaker 24: paying horrendous amounts of interest and things like that compared

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01:14:30,333 --> 01:14:33,652
Speaker 24: to if you had a mortgage. So yeah, yeah, we're

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01:14:33,692 --> 01:14:35,253
Speaker 24: just in the middle of it. Once it's similar to

1398
01:14:35,253 --> 01:14:36,932
Speaker 24: selling a car once it goes off the yard. We've

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01:14:36,933 --> 01:14:41,532
Speaker 24: done everything we can to facilitate a happy ending for them,

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01:14:41,572 --> 01:14:43,652
Speaker 24: so to speak, but what happens between them and the

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01:14:43,692 --> 01:14:45,452
Speaker 24: council tends to be their issue.

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01:14:45,772 --> 01:14:46,212
Speaker 17: Yeah.

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01:14:46,253 --> 01:14:48,133
Speaker 2: So I'm just reading some more of this article at

1404
01:14:48,173 --> 01:14:50,013
Speaker 2: the moment, Jason. It's pretty clear what side of the

1405
01:14:50,053 --> 01:14:51,932
Speaker 2: leads you you fit on, and I agree with you.

1406
01:14:51,973 --> 01:14:56,253
Speaker 2: But Chris Penk Minister construction Minister, said there were no

1407
01:14:56,333 --> 01:14:58,612
Speaker 2: current plans to add buildings with wheels to the granny

1408
01:14:58,612 --> 01:15:02,212
Speaker 2: flat Bill, which was expected to be introduced to Parliament shortly.

1409
01:15:02,333 --> 01:15:05,293
Speaker 2: That would frustrate you, wouldn't it that a tiny home,

1410
01:15:05,293 --> 01:15:08,812
Speaker 2: whether it's on wheels or not, should be classified similar

1411
01:15:08,853 --> 01:15:11,293
Speaker 2: to a granny flat under this new legislation that you

1412
01:15:11,293 --> 01:15:17,093
Speaker 2: can build a standalone structure to a certain requirement or

1413
01:15:17,133 --> 01:15:19,732
Speaker 2: certain size without needing consent. That would make sense, wouldn't

1414
01:15:19,732 --> 01:15:21,092
Speaker 2: it correct?

1415
01:15:21,093 --> 01:15:24,013
Speaker 24: And to be fair, our product falls under that. So

1416
01:15:24,253 --> 01:15:26,532
Speaker 24: we've got container homes. We also have the expandable home,

1417
01:15:26,532 --> 01:15:28,932
Speaker 24: which is quite popular. So it starts starts its life

1418
01:15:28,933 --> 01:15:31,093
Speaker 24: as a shipping container bought the shape of and then

1419
01:15:31,173 --> 01:15:35,492
Speaker 24: turns into a two bedroom unit when it's finished. It

1420
01:15:35,532 --> 01:15:37,732
Speaker 24: looks like a granny flat for all intents and purposes,

1421
01:15:37,772 --> 01:15:41,372
Speaker 24: but it's still under the sixty square meter scenario. All

1422
01:15:41,372 --> 01:15:43,933
Speaker 24: of those sort of things, the hurdles that we or

1423
01:15:43,973 --> 01:15:46,412
Speaker 24: most people get thrown in front of them, we tend

1424
01:15:46,412 --> 01:15:48,052
Speaker 24: to be able to get over those. And we've also

1425
01:15:48,133 --> 01:15:51,052
Speaker 24: got the paperwork that backs it all up. So electrical

1426
01:15:51,093 --> 01:15:53,213
Speaker 24: certification is one issue. You need to make sure that

1427
01:15:53,293 --> 01:15:56,772
Speaker 24: it's signed off by a certified news on smokey and

1428
01:15:57,253 --> 01:15:59,492
Speaker 24: the internal plumbing for us needs to be signed off

1429
01:15:59,572 --> 01:16:02,652
Speaker 24: before we transport it to a site. Right once it

1430
01:16:02,692 --> 01:16:06,932
Speaker 24: gets to site, the connection between building and site becomes

1431
01:16:06,933 --> 01:16:09,293
Speaker 24: the customer's problem. And that's where they having drums or

1432
01:16:09,333 --> 01:16:11,973
Speaker 24: the council. Yeah, in our experience, I can't speak for

1433
01:16:12,013 --> 01:16:12,933
Speaker 24: all suppliers.

1434
01:16:12,973 --> 01:16:15,013
Speaker 2: But over to you, did you want to give a

1435
01:16:15,013 --> 01:16:16,652
Speaker 2: plug for your business? Jason?

1436
01:16:19,213 --> 01:16:19,492
Speaker 18: Sure?

1437
01:16:19,692 --> 01:16:22,013
Speaker 24: So Most Spaces is the name of the company. We're

1438
01:16:22,053 --> 01:16:24,132
Speaker 24: in Kobia State Highway sixteen.

1439
01:16:24,812 --> 01:16:26,772
Speaker 2: And how do people get ahold of you? Find out

1440
01:16:26,893 --> 01:16:27,452
Speaker 2: more information?

1441
01:16:27,452 --> 01:16:30,652
Speaker 24: You've got a website most spaces dot co do doudim

1442
01:16:30,772 --> 01:16:35,573
Speaker 24: z or our Facebook page is probably a better representation

1443
01:16:35,652 --> 01:16:36,692
Speaker 24: of our products.

1444
01:16:36,772 --> 01:16:37,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, great stuff.

1445
01:16:37,652 --> 01:16:39,333
Speaker 24: But otherwise, yeah, we've got show homes there.

1446
01:16:39,333 --> 01:16:40,293
Speaker 6: Come on down, love it.

1447
01:16:40,492 --> 01:16:42,852
Speaker 2: Jason, thank you very much for giving us a buzz awesome.

1448
01:16:42,853 --> 01:16:46,772
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks mate. It is eight minutes to three, a

1449
01:16:46,812 --> 01:16:48,253
Speaker 2: little bit late here, but really, can you hear from

1450
01:16:48,253 --> 01:16:49,892
Speaker 2: you if you live in a tiny homer, you've gone

1451
01:16:49,933 --> 01:16:52,133
Speaker 2: through a process. You purchased one and turned into a

1452
01:16:52,173 --> 01:16:53,732
Speaker 2: bit of a night when you're trying to get consent

1453
01:16:53,772 --> 01:16:56,093
Speaker 2: from a council or fights over whether it was a

1454
01:16:56,173 --> 01:16:59,133
Speaker 2: vehicle or a standalone structure. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1455
01:16:59,133 --> 01:17:01,052
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call. It is seven

1456
01:17:01,093 --> 01:17:03,333
Speaker 2: to three, the.

1457
01:17:03,372 --> 01:17:05,932
Speaker 1: Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along

1458
01:17:05,933 --> 01:17:09,892
Speaker 1: the way. Matd Heathen Taylor Adams Dudes News Talk said, be.

1459
01:17:11,572 --> 01:17:13,652
Speaker 2: It is five to three and we're talking about tiny

1460
01:17:13,692 --> 01:17:17,293
Speaker 2: homes and regulations that appeared to be different depending on

1461
01:17:17,333 --> 01:17:20,892
Speaker 2: what council area you fall into a quick couple of texts,

1462
01:17:20,893 --> 01:17:22,372
Speaker 2: but we're going to pick this back up after the

1463
01:17:22,412 --> 01:17:25,293
Speaker 2: three o'clock news. Tylers, stop the nonsense. Council doesn't make

1464
01:17:25,293 --> 01:17:25,732
Speaker 2: the rules.

1465
01:17:25,732 --> 01:17:25,852
Speaker 14: Rea.

1466
01:17:25,933 --> 01:17:27,932
Speaker 2: What's a vehicle? What isn't It's written in the New

1467
01:17:27,973 --> 01:17:31,253
Speaker 2: Zealand Building Act as defined by Parliament. Again, a grandy

1468
01:17:31,253 --> 01:17:33,133
Speaker 2: flat in a tiny home, it can also be a

1469
01:17:33,173 --> 01:17:36,692
Speaker 2: granny flat. Just need to sort out the trance the

1470
01:17:36,732 --> 01:17:40,972
Speaker 2: transport issue. But Texter, I'll just reach out some of

1471
01:17:41,013 --> 01:17:44,973
Speaker 2: the quotes from those in the tiny home game. So

1472
01:17:47,452 --> 01:17:50,173
Speaker 2: in some places this is from Classic Affordable Cabins direct

1473
01:17:50,173 --> 01:17:52,772
Speaker 2: to Greg Cooper. He says, in some places the council's

1474
01:17:52,772 --> 01:17:54,452
Speaker 2: coming to look at the tiny homes and say they'll

1475
01:17:54,452 --> 01:17:56,253
Speaker 2: find In other places they say they need to be

1476
01:17:56,253 --> 01:17:58,772
Speaker 2: on piles and have consent. We thought that decision from

1477
01:17:58,772 --> 01:18:02,692
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen made it pretty clear, but it does not.

1478
01:18:02,812 --> 01:18:05,093
Speaker 2: There is inconsistency up and down the country. And I

1479
01:18:05,133 --> 01:18:08,652
Speaker 2: mentioned again Chris Pink, the Building Minister, said there were

1480
01:18:08,692 --> 01:18:11,253
Speaker 2: no current plans to add buildings with wheels to the

1481
01:18:11,372 --> 01:18:14,253
Speaker 2: Granny Flat Bill which was expected to be introduced to

1482
01:18:14,293 --> 01:18:18,973
Speaker 2: Parliament shortly. So still some confusion around tiny homes. Can

1483
01:18:19,013 --> 01:18:20,772
Speaker 2: you get your views though? Oh eight hundred and eighty

1484
01:18:20,812 --> 01:18:22,893
Speaker 2: ten eighty if you're in a tiny home, love to

1485
01:18:22,933 --> 01:18:25,293
Speaker 2: hear from you, New sport and weather on its way.

1486
01:18:25,692 --> 01:18:28,692
Speaker 2: You're listening to just Tyler today. Matt is off today

1487
01:18:28,732 --> 01:18:30,692
Speaker 2: but he will be back with us tomorrow. But really

1488
01:18:30,732 --> 01:18:34,253
Speaker 2: great to have your company. It is four minutes to three.

1489
01:18:34,532 --> 01:18:44,093
Speaker 2: Back very shortly again bagin planner you ban again.

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01:18:45,492 --> 01:18:59,133
Speaker 1: Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Matt

1491
01:18:59,173 --> 01:19:03,412
Speaker 1: Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebbe.

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01:19:04,293 --> 01:19:07,173
Speaker 2: Afternoon to you, welcome back into the program. Seven pass

1493
01:19:07,213 --> 01:19:11,292
Speaker 2: three matter off today he had a long standing appointment

1494
01:19:11,293 --> 01:19:14,452
Speaker 2: that was sorted out LCE ago, but he will be

1495
01:19:14,532 --> 01:19:17,052
Speaker 2: back with us tomorrow. So looking forward to having Maddie

1496
01:19:17,093 --> 01:19:21,012
Speaker 2: back with us. So me silent flying solo, hopefully before

1497
01:19:21,013 --> 01:19:22,452
Speaker 2: the end of the shelt four o'clock, and I want

1498
01:19:22,452 --> 01:19:24,053
Speaker 2: to have a chat about something that's going on in

1499
01:19:24,053 --> 01:19:25,812
Speaker 2: my life and I'm not too sure how I feel

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01:19:25,853 --> 01:19:30,932
Speaker 2: about it. It's a neighbor who has been burning things

1501
01:19:30,933 --> 01:19:34,732
Speaker 2: in their backyard. It's all I'll say for now, but

1502
01:19:34,853 --> 01:19:36,532
Speaker 2: I do want to hopefully have a chat about that

1503
01:19:36,572 --> 01:19:38,852
Speaker 2: before the end of this hour. But let's get back

1504
01:19:38,853 --> 01:19:41,652
Speaker 2: to our discussion on tiny homes. We have been discussing

1505
01:19:41,692 --> 01:19:46,013
Speaker 2: tiny homes because there's frustration within the industry about the

1506
01:19:46,372 --> 01:19:52,453
Speaker 2: inconsistencies of regulations between various districts and councils. Some councils

1507
01:19:52,812 --> 01:19:55,892
Speaker 2: see tiny homes on wheels as vehicles, others see them

1508
01:19:56,013 --> 01:19:58,732
Speaker 2: as structures or buildings. And of course, if they are

1509
01:19:59,013 --> 01:20:02,052
Speaker 2: classified as a building or a structure, then that means

1510
01:20:02,093 --> 01:20:04,293
Speaker 2: that you have to go through a lengthy consent process

1511
01:20:04,333 --> 01:20:07,852
Speaker 2: when trying to establish those buildings on property. So love

1512
01:20:07,853 --> 01:20:09,093
Speaker 2: to hear from you. So if you're in a tiny

1513
01:20:09,093 --> 01:20:11,013
Speaker 2: house O. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty, have you had

1514
01:20:11,053 --> 01:20:13,373
Speaker 2: to jump through hoops to try and get that established

1515
01:20:13,412 --> 01:20:15,652
Speaker 2: on your property? Quick text here before we go back

1516
01:20:15,692 --> 01:20:18,972
Speaker 2: to the phone, Tyler the wheels are irrelevant. If it's

1517
01:20:19,013 --> 01:20:21,652
Speaker 2: hooked up to services and designed to permanently live in.

1518
01:20:22,013 --> 01:20:25,892
Speaker 2: It is a house in caps. A caravan moves and

1519
01:20:26,013 --> 01:20:30,493
Speaker 2: utilizers utilities designed for it. Tiny homes add to services

1520
01:20:30,532 --> 01:20:34,652
Speaker 2: water and sewer overloading systems once you have enough without

1521
01:20:34,732 --> 01:20:38,412
Speaker 2: paying for those services. Thank you very much for that text,

1522
01:20:38,452 --> 01:20:41,452
Speaker 2: and I absolutely get your point there. But when we

1523
01:20:41,532 --> 01:20:44,412
Speaker 2: look at this granny flat legislation that appears to be

1524
01:20:45,652 --> 01:20:48,692
Speaker 2: introduced to Parliament shortly, that is according to Chris Pink,

1525
01:20:48,893 --> 01:20:53,133
Speaker 2: Building Minister, and they're under that legislation a granny flat

1526
01:20:53,133 --> 01:20:56,772
Speaker 2: of a certain size will not need consent. Then surely

1527
01:20:56,812 --> 01:20:58,652
Speaker 2: a tiny home would fall under that as well, wouldn't

1528
01:20:58,652 --> 01:21:01,093
Speaker 2: it can hear from you? Oh eight hundred eighty ten

1529
01:21:01,133 --> 01:21:04,492
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call Ingridge. You live in

1530
01:21:04,532 --> 01:21:05,173
Speaker 2: a tiny house?

1531
01:21:06,013 --> 01:21:08,293
Speaker 16: Hi, Chyler, Yes I do. I love with my family.

1532
01:21:08,333 --> 01:21:10,812
Speaker 16: There's three of us and we were I guess you

1533
01:21:10,812 --> 01:21:13,772
Speaker 16: could call us early adopters. We've been living in one

1534
01:21:13,772 --> 01:21:18,133
Speaker 16: and since twenty eighteen in Hawk's Bay. It's been fantastic

1535
01:21:18,213 --> 01:21:20,213
Speaker 16: because when we came back from the UK, we were

1536
01:21:20,213 --> 01:21:23,412
Speaker 16: horrified at house prices and so we couldn't afford to

1537
01:21:23,412 --> 01:21:25,452
Speaker 16: get onto the ladder, and we didn't want to rent,

1538
01:21:25,853 --> 01:21:27,772
Speaker 16: so we thought, why don't we just do the tiny

1539
01:21:27,772 --> 01:21:31,532
Speaker 16: house thing and down five and we're now in the process,

1540
01:21:31,893 --> 01:21:35,213
Speaker 16: so we're leasing land and that's where the wheels were

1541
01:21:35,253 --> 01:21:37,372
Speaker 16: great because we didn't own land, so we could have

1542
01:21:37,412 --> 01:21:40,492
Speaker 16: a transportable tiny house. They call them fos tiny houses

1543
01:21:40,532 --> 01:21:44,172
Speaker 16: on wheels, And we're now in the process of acquiring

1544
01:21:44,293 --> 01:21:46,892
Speaker 16: land and then wondering what to do with the tiny house.

1545
01:21:47,572 --> 01:21:51,172
Speaker 16: So because we've been living off grid and not connected

1546
01:21:51,213 --> 01:21:54,333
Speaker 16: to council services, they've left us alone. But as soon

1547
01:21:54,372 --> 01:21:58,333
Speaker 16: as we put it on to land it's zones residential

1548
01:21:58,732 --> 01:22:01,612
Speaker 16: and connecting up to septic or syage i should say,

1549
01:22:01,812 --> 01:22:07,532
Speaker 16: and water, then then it's a very gray area. And

1550
01:22:07,772 --> 01:22:10,532
Speaker 16: so according to the council, what they've said is if

1551
01:22:10,572 --> 01:22:13,572
Speaker 16: it has a kitchen with possible water and we have

1552
01:22:14,372 --> 01:22:17,932
Speaker 16: just a normal toilet, then it can be potentially a building.

1553
01:22:18,532 --> 01:22:22,612
Speaker 16: So there's no consistency across the council. Yeah, so I

1554
01:22:22,652 --> 01:22:25,692
Speaker 16: think it's literally And also the other thing is that

1555
01:22:26,013 --> 01:22:28,173
Speaker 16: the tiny house is built to go on the road,

1556
01:22:28,452 --> 01:22:31,572
Speaker 16: even though it's not transported around like a caravan, and

1557
01:22:31,612 --> 01:22:34,892
Speaker 16: so it has a separate set of guidelines that's got

1558
01:22:34,893 --> 01:22:37,892
Speaker 16: to achieve with height and weight and witth and so on,

1559
01:22:38,253 --> 01:22:41,053
Speaker 16: So that does then conflict with a building code. So

1560
01:22:41,093 --> 01:22:42,933
Speaker 16: it's a really tricky situation.

1561
01:22:43,253 --> 01:22:45,532
Speaker 2: It does sound like you're almost a no man's land

1562
01:22:45,893 --> 01:22:49,253
Speaker 2: and also frustrating ingrid that you've gone to the council

1563
01:22:49,293 --> 01:22:51,253
Speaker 2: to say, okay, what is the situation here and they

1564
01:22:51,293 --> 01:22:54,652
Speaker 2: haven't really given you a clear answer. I mean, that

1565
01:22:54,812 --> 01:22:56,973
Speaker 2: just boggles the mind. And like, you know, I understand

1566
01:22:57,013 --> 01:23:00,892
Speaker 2: that sometimes regulation, you know, you need to get somebody

1567
01:23:00,933 --> 01:23:02,892
Speaker 2: around to have a look to make a determination. But

1568
01:23:02,933 --> 01:23:04,852
Speaker 2: I thought it was something like this, particularly with the

1569
01:23:04,893 --> 01:23:08,933
Speaker 2: granny flat legislation coming into effect potentially next year, that

1570
01:23:09,053 --> 01:23:10,973
Speaker 2: this would be pretty clear cut for councils to be

1571
01:23:10,973 --> 01:23:12,492
Speaker 2: able to give a determination over the phone.

1572
01:23:13,333 --> 01:23:15,933
Speaker 16: Apparently they sat around the bardroom and had a discussion

1573
01:23:16,053 --> 01:23:17,812
Speaker 16: and said, what is it a their color is it

1574
01:23:17,853 --> 01:23:20,372
Speaker 16: a building? And it really depends on who you get

1575
01:23:20,372 --> 01:23:23,333
Speaker 16: on the day. I wish it was more clearly defined.

1576
01:23:23,973 --> 01:23:27,133
Speaker 16: But then at the same time, people like to not

1577
01:23:27,213 --> 01:23:28,932
Speaker 16: be sort of tied down with lots of red tape

1578
01:23:28,973 --> 01:23:32,213
Speaker 16: and all that sort of stuff. So you'll find in

1579
01:23:32,253 --> 01:23:34,692
Speaker 16: the community and I'm quite close to other people who

1580
01:23:34,692 --> 01:23:37,972
Speaker 16: live in tiny houses. I know that you know, people

1581
01:23:37,973 --> 01:23:40,213
Speaker 16: who have built their own, which is what we have done,

1582
01:23:40,452 --> 01:23:43,532
Speaker 16: right through to people who are making them commercially. We

1583
01:23:43,652 --> 01:23:45,772
Speaker 16: tend to be kind of rural, off grid and living

1584
01:23:46,732 --> 01:23:50,412
Speaker 16: below the radio I suppose you could see. And partly

1585
01:23:50,452 --> 01:23:53,012
Speaker 16: that's because if you don't own the land, why would

1586
01:23:53,053 --> 01:23:55,092
Speaker 16: you want to go through the whole process of consent

1587
01:23:55,133 --> 01:23:58,572
Speaker 16: And that's really expensive. So yeah, we tend to be

1588
01:23:58,572 --> 01:24:01,293
Speaker 16: a little bit of a transient thing, you know, we

1589
01:24:01,452 --> 01:24:04,972
Speaker 16: like not quite gypsies, but yeah, it's really interesting.

1590
01:24:05,133 --> 01:24:08,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can see where the frustration is coming from.

1591
01:24:08,492 --> 01:24:12,892
Speaker 2: Had Jason, who builds tiny homes call in and quite rightly,

1592
01:24:13,372 --> 01:24:18,012
Speaker 2: you know, unless there is clarity and consistency, very difficult

1593
01:24:18,013 --> 01:24:20,053
Speaker 2: for people who build these homes because then you've got

1594
01:24:20,093 --> 01:24:21,772
Speaker 2: to bring the building code into it. If it is

1595
01:24:21,933 --> 01:24:25,333
Speaker 2: classified as a structure, then you've got different legislation that

1596
01:24:25,372 --> 01:24:27,973
Speaker 2: you need to abide by. The whole thing is just

1597
01:24:28,093 --> 01:24:32,732
Speaker 2: seems incredibly messy. But with the tiny home lifestyle, clearly

1598
01:24:32,772 --> 01:24:35,013
Speaker 2: you're loving it. Is that is that something that you're

1599
01:24:35,053 --> 01:24:35,333
Speaker 2: going to.

1600
01:24:35,253 --> 01:24:35,732
Speaker 23: Start do with?

1601
01:24:35,893 --> 01:24:38,013
Speaker 25: Yeah, No, I've actually I loved it so much that

1602
01:24:38,053 --> 01:24:40,253
Speaker 25: I ended up going and doing a design degree looking

1603
01:24:40,293 --> 01:24:43,612
Speaker 25: to make tiny house furniture because obviously you're downsizing and

1604
01:24:43,692 --> 01:24:46,532
Speaker 25: normal furniture doesn't sit in a tiny house, and we

1605
01:24:46,572 --> 01:24:47,773
Speaker 25: don't want to be living.

1606
01:24:47,532 --> 01:24:49,772
Speaker 16: With late, you know, like with a caravan where you've

1607
01:24:49,812 --> 01:24:52,892
Speaker 16: got sort of like it doesn't really feel homely. So

1608
01:24:53,452 --> 01:24:55,692
Speaker 16: for people who've not actually been into a tiny house,

1609
01:24:55,732 --> 01:24:59,812
Speaker 16: and there's probably less than these people who is, you know,

1610
01:24:59,893 --> 01:25:01,972
Speaker 16: like people are kind of more interested now than when

1611
01:25:01,973 --> 01:25:04,812
Speaker 16: we first got into it. They are literally a house

1612
01:25:04,973 --> 01:25:07,972
Speaker 16: squished down into thirty square meters, so you know, you've

1613
01:25:07,973 --> 01:25:12,452
Speaker 16: got dishwasher and the washer dryer and all the mod cons,

1614
01:25:12,492 --> 01:25:15,293
Speaker 16: but it's just a smaller version of what other people have.

1615
01:25:15,572 --> 01:25:19,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, how many children do you have, Ingrid, I've just

1616
01:25:19,213 --> 01:25:19,532
Speaker 2: got the.

1617
01:25:19,452 --> 01:25:22,453
Speaker 16: One teenage daughter and then we've got a separate sleepout

1618
01:25:22,492 --> 01:25:24,692
Speaker 16: which allows to have the extra space because when she

1619
01:25:24,812 --> 01:25:27,932
Speaker 16: was little it was fine in the thirty square meters,

1620
01:25:28,013 --> 01:25:29,892
Speaker 16: but as she's grown with needed more space.

1621
01:25:30,333 --> 01:25:32,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just with that space that you've got, now,

1622
01:25:32,572 --> 01:25:36,732
Speaker 2: clearly you've learnt to accommodate for that. Do you think,

1623
01:25:36,772 --> 01:25:39,253
Speaker 2: okayse I reached the point before that maybe for a

1624
01:25:39,253 --> 01:25:41,173
Speaker 2: lot of us, we tend to try and go for

1625
01:25:41,213 --> 01:25:44,932
Speaker 2: big homes with you know, space that we don't really need.

1626
01:25:45,053 --> 01:25:46,572
Speaker 2: Is that kind of your thinking now that you're in

1627
01:25:46,612 --> 01:25:47,093
Speaker 2: a tiny oo.

1628
01:25:47,853 --> 01:25:50,293
Speaker 16: Yeah, there's I think a lot of people that I

1629
01:25:50,853 --> 01:25:53,612
Speaker 16: know that they support the minimalist movement. So you go

1630
01:25:53,732 --> 01:25:57,053
Speaker 16: from you know things materialism makes you happy, and then

1631
01:25:57,053 --> 01:25:58,652
Speaker 16: when you move into a tiny house, you have to

1632
01:25:58,652 --> 01:26:00,972
Speaker 16: be quite specific about what you take with you because

1633
01:26:01,013 --> 01:26:03,972
Speaker 16: you literally have to downsize and get rid of stuff,

1634
01:26:04,013 --> 01:26:05,972
Speaker 16: and then you find things that do make you happy,

1635
01:26:06,053 --> 01:26:08,932
Speaker 16: you have just those around you, and then you've got

1636
01:26:08,973 --> 01:26:11,333
Speaker 16: more disposable and come to go and do things with

1637
01:26:11,452 --> 01:26:14,092
Speaker 16: your family because you're not paying off a high mortgage

1638
01:26:14,333 --> 01:26:16,612
Speaker 16: and you're not filling it with stuff as well. So

1639
01:26:16,692 --> 01:26:18,372
Speaker 16: if you start off with more of a blank canvas

1640
01:26:18,412 --> 01:26:20,852
Speaker 16: than something that maybe is like one hundred square meters,

1641
01:26:21,013 --> 01:26:22,812
Speaker 16: you've got to sort it up with stuff. We've done

1642
01:26:22,853 --> 01:26:25,173
Speaker 16: the opposite. We've got too many things. You've got to

1643
01:26:25,173 --> 01:26:27,732
Speaker 16: try and get rid of them. And I think it's

1644
01:26:27,772 --> 01:26:30,852
Speaker 16: actually quite cathartic to do that process.

1645
01:26:30,973 --> 01:26:32,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, good on you. I love it. I mean, look,

1646
01:26:32,933 --> 01:26:35,173
Speaker 2: it won't be for everybody, and grip it clearly. It

1647
01:26:35,173 --> 01:26:37,893
Speaker 2: it's worked out very well for you, and there'll be

1648
01:26:37,973 --> 01:26:40,492
Speaker 2: many other people out there listening saying I love the idea,

1649
01:26:41,173 --> 01:26:44,212
Speaker 2: which brings us back to the point of this discussion.

1650
01:26:44,333 --> 01:26:46,333
Speaker 2: Just make it a bit easier for people to do this.

1651
01:26:47,013 --> 01:26:48,652
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for giving us a buzz ingrid.

1652
01:26:48,692 --> 01:26:50,612
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1653
01:26:50,652 --> 01:26:54,213
Speaker 2: to call this Texas, says Tyler. Calling a tiny home

1654
01:26:54,253 --> 01:26:56,932
Speaker 2: a vehicle is clearly just taking the piss and trying

1655
01:26:56,973 --> 01:26:59,532
Speaker 2: to subvert the rules to avoid paying your fair Sheit

1656
01:26:59,652 --> 01:27:05,212
Speaker 2: takes some accountability, says Gary, and Craig says, does anyone

1657
01:27:05,412 --> 01:27:10,532
Speaker 2: really want suburbs full of these li's all boxes? We

1658
01:27:10,732 --> 01:27:13,372
Speaker 2: moan on the cookie cut of style homes? So what

1659
01:27:13,412 --> 01:27:16,213
Speaker 2: the hell will this look like years from now, specifically

1660
01:27:16,253 --> 01:27:19,532
Speaker 2: once they age from Craig, I hear your point, Craig,

1661
01:27:19,612 --> 01:27:24,132
Speaker 2: but what I'd say, Oh God, hate that phrase. I

1662
01:27:24,173 --> 01:27:25,572
Speaker 2: you know, there would be a lot of people that

1663
01:27:25,612 --> 01:27:27,892
Speaker 2: would have these tiny homes at the back of their

1664
01:27:27,933 --> 01:27:30,892
Speaker 2: own sections. So it goes back to the granny flat

1665
01:27:31,133 --> 01:27:33,652
Speaker 2: situation and the legislation that will come into effect at

1666
01:27:33,732 --> 01:27:36,492
Speaker 2: some stage next year. If you want to have a

1667
01:27:36,532 --> 01:27:38,452
Speaker 2: little tiny home in the back of your property, or

1668
01:27:38,492 --> 01:27:42,253
Speaker 2: a granny flat. It's your land. And if you've got

1669
01:27:42,492 --> 01:27:45,612
Speaker 2: a family member that can make use of that tiny home,

1670
01:27:45,772 --> 01:27:47,812
Speaker 2: isn't that something we want to encourage and try and

1671
01:27:47,853 --> 01:27:50,253
Speaker 2: make it easy and cut all this crap red tape

1672
01:27:50,452 --> 01:27:53,253
Speaker 2: and stop people like Sheryl who called an earliest been

1673
01:27:53,293 --> 01:27:55,692
Speaker 2: in a year of her life and god knows how

1674
01:27:55,692 --> 01:27:57,972
Speaker 2: many man hours at her local council trying to get

1675
01:27:58,173 --> 01:28:00,572
Speaker 2: consent for her tiny home. Just my thoughts. So one

1676
01:28:00,652 --> 01:28:02,972
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1677
01:28:03,053 --> 01:28:06,012
Speaker 2: It is sixteen past three, good afternoon, eighteen past three,

1678
01:28:06,133 --> 01:28:08,012
Speaker 2: and we've been having a chat about tiny homes. There's

1679
01:28:08,013 --> 01:28:11,173
Speaker 2: a lot of frustration within the tiny home community and

1680
01:28:11,253 --> 01:28:15,013
Speaker 2: industry about a lack of consistency council to council and

1681
01:28:15,053 --> 01:28:17,133
Speaker 2: how they classify what a tiny home is. Is it

1682
01:28:17,173 --> 01:28:19,372
Speaker 2: a vehicle if it's got wheels, or is it a

1683
01:28:19,412 --> 01:28:21,492
Speaker 2: building if it is a building? There and more often

1684
01:28:21,492 --> 01:28:24,612
Speaker 2: than not, you've got to go through a lengthy consent process.

1685
01:28:24,652 --> 01:28:25,973
Speaker 2: But where do you say all right? There's a lot

1686
01:28:25,973 --> 01:28:29,492
Speaker 2: of texts coming through saying that some tiny home owners

1687
01:28:29,492 --> 01:28:31,532
Speaker 2: appear to be trying to take the piss that if

1688
01:28:31,572 --> 01:28:34,693
Speaker 2: it's on wheels. They skirt around some of the regulations

1689
01:28:34,732 --> 01:28:39,213
Speaker 2: of council that other standalone home owners have to go through.

1690
01:28:39,532 --> 01:28:43,173
Speaker 2: So if you're in that argument, love to hear from

1691
01:28:43,213 --> 01:28:45,933
Speaker 2: you on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, But

1692
01:28:46,013 --> 01:28:48,052
Speaker 2: if you're living in a tiny home at the moment,

1693
01:28:48,333 --> 01:28:50,013
Speaker 2: really can to have a chat with you. Ross. How

1694
01:28:50,013 --> 01:28:50,852
Speaker 2: are you this afternoon?

1695
01:28:51,293 --> 01:28:53,932
Speaker 6: Yeah, good things, sir Tyler. Yes, so you.

1696
01:28:53,933 --> 01:28:54,852
Speaker 2: Live in a tiny home.

1697
01:28:55,412 --> 01:28:58,612
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm I live in Queenstown and I'm living in

1698
01:28:58,652 --> 01:29:01,173
Speaker 6: a tiny home. It's one of these that pop out

1699
01:29:01,213 --> 01:29:04,333
Speaker 6: the side. But what Jason has done, but what I've

1700
01:29:04,372 --> 01:29:07,452
Speaker 6: done now is sort of importing them myself. Right, but

1701
01:29:07,652 --> 01:29:10,532
Speaker 6: we're yes. So basically what Jason and Ingrid have said

1702
01:29:10,652 --> 01:29:13,892
Speaker 6: is right. The count I've been working with council down

1703
01:29:13,933 --> 01:29:16,813
Speaker 6: here and as soon as you're hooking to their services,

1704
01:29:17,333 --> 01:29:19,412
Speaker 6: that's when you know, it opens up the door for

1705
01:29:19,452 --> 01:29:22,972
Speaker 6: them to question what is it you're hooking into so

1706
01:29:23,853 --> 01:29:27,133
Speaker 6: on advice of what them. So what we've done to rectify,

1707
01:29:27,253 --> 01:29:30,293
Speaker 6: to simplify for councils is we've gone down the process

1708
01:29:30,333 --> 01:29:35,132
Speaker 6: of meeting the building codes, which has been a big process.

1709
01:29:35,253 --> 01:29:39,453
Speaker 6: So like for instance, heating fire or so the electrical

1710
01:29:39,532 --> 01:29:43,772
Speaker 6: and meeting the building code. Now these houses that you

1711
01:29:43,853 --> 01:29:46,253
Speaker 6: bring in do not meet the building code. So what

1712
01:29:46,452 --> 01:29:48,933
Speaker 6: we've had to do is gone back to the manufacturers.

1713
01:29:49,093 --> 01:29:52,013
Speaker 6: We've got employee AU structural engineer in New Zealand here

1714
01:29:52,053 --> 01:29:54,333
Speaker 6: to tell us what we need to do so we

1715
01:29:54,412 --> 01:29:56,732
Speaker 6: do meet the building code and they've gave it us

1716
01:29:57,053 --> 01:29:59,652
Speaker 6: quite a long recommendation of what needs to be done.

1717
01:30:00,133 --> 01:30:02,652
Speaker 6: So we've gone back to our manufacturer and says, hey,

1718
01:30:02,652 --> 01:30:05,372
Speaker 6: can this be done And the answer is yes, it

1719
01:30:05,372 --> 01:30:10,053
Speaker 6: can be done with their costs. But you know that's

1720
01:30:10,093 --> 01:30:12,532
Speaker 6: something that we feel and council said, if you do

1721
01:30:12,572 --> 01:30:16,333
Speaker 6: all that, it makes their job a lot easier because

1722
01:30:16,372 --> 01:30:18,932
Speaker 6: then they treat it as a building than rather even

1723
01:30:18,973 --> 01:30:21,532
Speaker 6: though airs is not on wheels, they're dropped off by

1724
01:30:21,612 --> 01:30:25,652
Speaker 6: high abb but their definition is that's still transportable because

1725
01:30:25,692 --> 01:30:27,892
Speaker 6: it can be folded up and moved within a day.

1726
01:30:28,492 --> 01:30:32,372
Speaker 6: But their problem is because you're looking into their services

1727
01:30:32,492 --> 01:30:34,612
Speaker 6: and they deem it is sort of like a house,

1728
01:30:34,772 --> 01:30:36,772
Speaker 6: then you do have to meet their codes.

1729
01:30:37,173 --> 01:30:40,053
Speaker 2: Then is a fair point ross And look, I've been

1730
01:30:40,133 --> 01:30:43,772
Speaker 2: laying into councils over the last hour, but I get

1731
01:30:43,812 --> 01:30:48,293
Speaker 2: the argument that if they are signing these things off

1732
01:30:48,572 --> 01:30:52,692
Speaker 2: or they have knowledge that these exist within their area,

1733
01:30:52,933 --> 01:30:55,452
Speaker 2: then they can be held liable if something goes wrong.

1734
01:30:55,732 --> 01:30:58,772
Speaker 6: That's correct. And see he said to us, because normally

1735
01:30:58,772 --> 01:31:01,093
Speaker 6: when you build a house, they come on site, you know,

1736
01:31:01,213 --> 01:31:03,532
Speaker 6: four or five times six times, you know, while you're building,

1737
01:31:03,732 --> 01:31:06,253
Speaker 6: and they look at the structure before you put the ply. Now,

1738
01:31:06,293 --> 01:31:10,572
Speaker 6: because of these these built over seas or whatever, they

1739
01:31:10,612 --> 01:31:12,732
Speaker 6: don't get to see and that, like he said, we're

1740
01:31:12,732 --> 01:31:14,612
Speaker 6: not going to make you pull up the pieces. So

1741
01:31:15,253 --> 01:31:18,133
Speaker 6: we need you ones to say that they are up

1742
01:31:18,173 --> 01:31:21,652
Speaker 6: to structural you know, for New Zealand standards and so

1743
01:31:21,933 --> 01:31:25,053
Speaker 6: and then it becomes more difficult because every region has

1744
01:31:25,133 --> 01:31:28,372
Speaker 6: different zones. And what I mean by zones is like

1745
01:31:28,612 --> 01:31:33,253
Speaker 6: Auckland is quite a a low zone. We're down south here,

1746
01:31:33,412 --> 01:31:36,932
Speaker 6: like Queenstown Gore in v Cargo Way is very high

1747
01:31:37,013 --> 01:31:40,293
Speaker 6: because they get high winds and high snow loadings. So

1748
01:31:40,732 --> 01:31:44,013
Speaker 6: then the zoning is a lot tougher on building structures.

1749
01:31:44,532 --> 01:31:48,333
Speaker 6: So what we've done is because we're in Queenstown is

1750
01:31:48,333 --> 01:31:50,452
Speaker 6: one of the higher zones, so we've got it to

1751
01:31:50,532 --> 01:31:54,293
Speaker 6: the Queenstown zoning right rating, if you know what I mean,

1752
01:31:54,612 --> 01:31:57,732
Speaker 6: which is a snow and wind. So that means if

1753
01:31:57,772 --> 01:32:00,492
Speaker 6: you send one to Auckland, then you know you're well

1754
01:32:00,532 --> 01:32:03,973
Speaker 6: and truly within the barriers of the building structure, the

1755
01:32:04,133 --> 01:32:07,612
Speaker 6: building code and the building code is we found what

1756
01:32:07,692 --> 01:32:10,052
Speaker 6: the council is the main one building in the electrical

1757
01:32:10,093 --> 01:32:13,253
Speaker 6: code that they are the two gray years because they

1758
01:32:13,293 --> 01:32:16,333
Speaker 6: are a metal box and they electrically they have to

1759
01:32:16,333 --> 01:32:19,412
Speaker 6: be right, and so that's a big one. And also

1760
01:32:19,492 --> 01:32:22,253
Speaker 6: the building code and.

1761
01:32:21,772 --> 01:32:25,293
Speaker 2: So down in Queenstan you'd have different insulation standards the

1762
01:32:25,372 --> 01:32:27,053
Speaker 2: Northland as well, so that would come into it.

1763
01:32:27,572 --> 01:32:29,293
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so so what they did is they did

1764
01:32:29,293 --> 01:32:32,372
Speaker 6: a test on the heating because there's some paneling that's

1765
01:32:32,452 --> 01:32:35,053
Speaker 6: very they're very warm. The only thing he's going to

1766
01:32:35,133 --> 01:32:38,253
Speaker 6: be very mindful of them is they don't breathe, so

1767
01:32:38,293 --> 01:32:40,253
Speaker 6: you've got to make sure we put extract to fans.

1768
01:32:40,293 --> 01:32:42,133
Speaker 6: And also the other thing of all our units we

1769
01:32:42,253 --> 01:32:47,732
Speaker 6: put fire detective systems in for smoke of arms. So

1770
01:32:47,973 --> 01:32:51,493
Speaker 6: really so we're meeting the New Zealand Building Code and

1771
01:32:51,532 --> 01:32:56,093
Speaker 6: we've spoken to a few councils and really they're they're

1772
01:32:56,133 --> 01:32:58,973
Speaker 6: happy now because we've gone that extra yard, if you know,

1773
01:32:59,213 --> 01:33:02,293
Speaker 6: but find that it's taken us four months and you

1774
01:33:02,333 --> 01:33:06,133
Speaker 6: know a lot of money. Yeah, but you know, and

1775
01:33:06,253 --> 01:33:08,293
Speaker 6: so this is you know, one of the reasons why

1776
01:33:08,492 --> 01:33:13,013
Speaker 6: councils they're in the gray area because you know, and

1777
01:33:13,173 --> 01:33:15,013
Speaker 6: like a few of you the Texas and you know,

1778
01:33:15,053 --> 01:33:17,612
Speaker 6: as Jason and Nigrid said, you know that, you know,

1779
01:33:17,812 --> 01:33:20,293
Speaker 6: soon as your hook into services, you know, then it

1780
01:33:20,333 --> 01:33:22,892
Speaker 6: becomes councils that they want to know what it is.

1781
01:33:23,412 --> 01:33:25,572
Speaker 6: And that's where the gray area comes into.

1782
01:33:25,812 --> 01:33:27,772
Speaker 2: So they don't care if you if you've got a

1783
01:33:27,772 --> 01:33:30,492
Speaker 2: tiny home and you've got it on wheels, as long

1784
01:33:30,532 --> 01:33:32,772
Speaker 2: as you don't hook up to the water or the

1785
01:33:32,893 --> 01:33:35,532
Speaker 2: electrical bread, they couldn't give us stuff. It's only when

1786
01:33:35,532 --> 01:33:37,612
Speaker 2: you start to tap into that, and then the question

1787
01:33:37,692 --> 01:33:39,253
Speaker 2: of liability becomes a bit more.

1788
01:33:39,173 --> 01:33:42,892
Speaker 6: Complex, exactly. And like you said, it becomes because at

1789
01:33:42,893 --> 01:33:44,293
Speaker 6: the end of the day, the last thing they want

1790
01:33:44,293 --> 01:33:46,532
Speaker 6: saying Queen's down, we get a big dump in the

1791
01:33:46,612 --> 01:33:49,333
Speaker 6: snow and you know, yes, they're happy with it, and

1792
01:33:49,772 --> 01:33:52,732
Speaker 6: the snow hits the roof and collapses and somebody gets hurt,

1793
01:33:53,253 --> 01:33:55,612
Speaker 6: the council and so well, hang it, sep, why has

1794
01:33:55,612 --> 01:33:58,692
Speaker 6: that collapsed? You know? And council reliable see with what

1795
01:33:58,732 --> 01:34:01,852
Speaker 6: we're doing now is it takes a liability away from

1796
01:34:01,893 --> 01:34:05,692
Speaker 6: council because we've employed our structural engineer which signs off

1797
01:34:05,973 --> 01:34:09,452
Speaker 6: now on them. But what she's has done a blanket

1798
01:34:09,652 --> 01:34:14,333
Speaker 6: one and you know, and picked the zoning and so

1799
01:34:14,412 --> 01:34:16,213
Speaker 6: then we've had to go to a manufacturer and they

1800
01:34:16,732 --> 01:34:20,213
Speaker 6: had to design it and then send back the design plans.

1801
01:34:20,532 --> 01:34:23,412
Speaker 6: Like I say, it's it's been a four month three

1802
01:34:23,492 --> 01:34:27,572
Speaker 6: four month process and doing just the paperwork on it.

1803
01:34:27,612 --> 01:34:29,772
Speaker 6: But council has sort of had a look at it

1804
01:34:29,812 --> 01:34:32,492
Speaker 6: and yep, and so we've sort of picked the boxes

1805
01:34:32,492 --> 01:34:35,492
Speaker 6: as far as this one protective Council is concerned and

1806
01:34:35,492 --> 01:34:39,093
Speaker 6: say yes, it just takes away any responsibility on the

1807
01:34:39,133 --> 01:34:39,812
Speaker 6: council's part.

1808
01:34:40,053 --> 01:34:42,572
Speaker 2: Well, well run, well run on you guys for doing

1809
01:34:42,652 --> 01:34:44,532
Speaker 2: you know, doing the work and the perseverance to make

1810
01:34:44,572 --> 01:34:45,253
Speaker 2: sure it's done right.

1811
01:34:45,293 --> 01:34:48,213
Speaker 18: What's the name of your business, Ross, Yeah, that's Mountain Mods.

1812
01:34:48,933 --> 01:34:51,932
Speaker 6: Mountain Mods dot Nz is our company. We've just sort

1813
01:34:51,933 --> 01:34:56,173
Speaker 6: of begun twelve fourteen months, but it's taken us while

1814
01:34:56,213 --> 01:34:58,452
Speaker 6: to do all the paperwork you know and get it

1815
01:34:58,532 --> 01:34:58,892
Speaker 6: or done.

1816
01:34:58,973 --> 01:34:59,933
Speaker 17: Yes on you?

1817
01:35:00,093 --> 01:35:01,253
Speaker 2: And where do you import them from?

1818
01:35:02,213 --> 01:35:02,492
Speaker 6: China?

1819
01:35:02,772 --> 01:35:02,972
Speaker 19: Right?

1820
01:35:03,093 --> 01:35:03,333
Speaker 17: Yep?

1821
01:35:03,412 --> 01:35:05,492
Speaker 2: And they said I'll take it. So they arrive in

1822
01:35:05,532 --> 01:35:07,492
Speaker 2: a can set style, No.

1823
01:35:07,572 --> 01:35:13,092
Speaker 6: They fold out. Eon Musk was the original designers of these.

1824
01:35:14,412 --> 01:35:17,173
Speaker 6: Surprising enough, I did didn't realize that. And yeah, and

1825
01:35:17,213 --> 01:35:21,012
Speaker 6: so then trying of course copied and everything else. And yeah.

1826
01:35:21,053 --> 01:35:23,973
Speaker 6: So the thing is that you talk about transport of

1827
01:35:24,013 --> 01:35:26,692
Speaker 6: wheels and a lot of councils in a way that

1828
01:35:26,732 --> 01:35:31,093
Speaker 6: wheels are irrelevant to a point. Because he looked at

1829
01:35:31,133 --> 01:35:33,652
Speaker 6: theirs and said, you know, how quickly could you get

1830
01:35:33,732 --> 01:35:35,213
Speaker 6: rid of this off the site? And I said, okay,

1831
01:35:35,213 --> 01:35:39,612
Speaker 6: I haven't gone and and he said, well that's transportable. Yeah, yeah,

1832
01:35:39,652 --> 01:35:43,293
Speaker 6: and I'll add and so really it's I've gone and

1833
01:35:43,572 --> 01:35:46,053
Speaker 6: looked at the finance companies to see what how they

1834
01:35:46,213 --> 01:35:49,492
Speaker 6: deemed them, and if you put a registration or serial

1835
01:35:49,532 --> 01:35:53,052
Speaker 6: number on them, then like mot Trade Finance said, would

1836
01:35:53,093 --> 01:35:56,052
Speaker 6: finance on them, because we were deemed as their mobile.

1837
01:35:57,133 --> 01:35:59,772
Speaker 6: Even though yes, so their definition on wheels, you know,

1838
01:35:59,893 --> 01:36:02,852
Speaker 6: sort of was a gray area too. But there is

1839
01:36:02,973 --> 01:36:06,372
Speaker 6: councilors that we've been told that, you know, as a

1840
01:36:06,372 --> 01:36:08,772
Speaker 6: few of them alluded to you to as it depends

1841
01:36:08,772 --> 01:36:11,732
Speaker 6: on who you get, and you know, it's sort of

1842
01:36:11,893 --> 01:36:15,173
Speaker 6: but as councils said, you know, yeah, you've just got

1843
01:36:15,173 --> 01:36:18,572
Speaker 6: to say just keep on them and question them on it.

1844
01:36:19,293 --> 01:36:22,333
Speaker 6: From a council go down in Queen's down here. He

1845
01:36:22,492 --> 01:36:26,052
Speaker 6: just said that, you know, they are a gray area

1846
01:36:26,213 --> 01:36:29,612
Speaker 6: and a lot of counselors don't understand them, and it's

1847
01:36:29,612 --> 01:36:32,852
Speaker 6: just getting them around to to you know what's happening now.

1848
01:36:32,933 --> 01:36:35,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ross, great to chat with you. Thank you very much.

1849
01:36:35,372 --> 01:36:39,253
Speaker 2: Mountain moods dot dot z and well with a look

1850
01:36:39,293 --> 01:36:42,492
Speaker 2: beautiful looking tiny homes. Ross, thank you very much. It

1851
01:36:42,532 --> 01:36:45,452
Speaker 2: is twenty seven past three. Back very shortly here on

1852
01:36:45,492 --> 01:36:46,333
Speaker 2: News Talks NB.

1853
01:36:50,933 --> 01:36:54,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1854
01:36:54,253 --> 01:36:56,253
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZEDV.

1855
01:36:56,853 --> 01:37:02,732
Speaker 2: George, good afternoon, very good. So you build tiny homes.

1856
01:37:02,492 --> 01:37:02,692
Speaker 5: Do you?

1857
01:37:05,372 --> 01:37:05,532
Speaker 16: Ol?

1858
01:37:05,652 --> 01:37:07,013
Speaker 7: High and hands?

1859
01:37:07,692 --> 01:37:10,013
Speaker 2: Oh now we're just it's cutting in and out a

1860
01:37:10,053 --> 01:37:12,213
Speaker 2: little bit, but we'll carry on and see if it

1861
01:37:12,293 --> 01:37:15,452
Speaker 2: rights itself. So I've got here you build tiny homes.

1862
01:37:15,452 --> 01:37:20,772
Speaker 2: But I just missed what you said and caravans was it.

1863
01:37:22,973 --> 01:37:24,972
Speaker 2: We might have to come back to you, George if

1864
01:37:24,973 --> 01:37:26,492
Speaker 2: we can. And I'm just going to put you back

1865
01:37:26,492 --> 01:37:28,492
Speaker 2: to Andrew and see if we can get that sordid

1866
01:37:29,213 --> 01:37:32,532
Speaker 2: before the headline's coming up. Here, we'll see if we

1867
01:37:32,532 --> 01:37:36,372
Speaker 2: can get George back quickly text here. Having just put

1868
01:37:36,372 --> 01:37:38,972
Speaker 2: a cottage slash granny flat that cost us around forty

1869
01:37:38,973 --> 01:37:42,492
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars for just the consents, et cetera. We

1870
01:37:42,532 --> 01:37:43,973
Speaker 2: did look at a tiny home and due to the

1871
01:37:44,013 --> 01:37:47,972
Speaker 2: concern about council changing their mind, et cetera, we wouldn't

1872
01:37:48,013 --> 01:37:49,812
Speaker 2: go for it. But the forty five thousand dollars is

1873
01:37:49,853 --> 01:37:53,092
Speaker 2: a fifth of the cost. That's from Julian. That is crazy. George,

1874
01:37:53,133 --> 01:37:54,293
Speaker 2: we got your back, get a mate.

1875
01:37:55,213 --> 01:37:56,333
Speaker 14: Yep, there you gon't good.

1876
01:37:56,372 --> 01:37:58,173
Speaker 2: Good. So let's start from the top. Yeah, so you

1877
01:37:58,213 --> 01:37:59,412
Speaker 2: build tiny homes, you go for.

1878
01:37:59,412 --> 01:38:03,452
Speaker 14: It, sell higher end finance people in kens yep.

1879
01:38:03,532 --> 01:38:07,333
Speaker 2: Right. And so looking at the frustration that the industry

1880
01:38:07,372 --> 01:38:10,173
Speaker 2: is feeling about the lack of consistency between councils, is

1881
01:38:10,173 --> 01:38:11,173
Speaker 2: that something you agree with?

1882
01:38:12,492 --> 01:38:15,013
Speaker 14: Yeah, there's there's a there's two sides to it. Like

1883
01:38:15,973 --> 01:38:19,173
Speaker 14: that last call of that imports them from China, You're

1884
01:38:19,173 --> 01:38:21,612
Speaker 14: always going to run into problems importing them from China

1885
01:38:21,652 --> 01:38:25,492
Speaker 14: as far as quality goes. Not that Chinese built poor

1886
01:38:25,572 --> 01:38:29,372
Speaker 14: quality material, poor quality product. But you're always going to

1887
01:38:29,452 --> 01:38:33,093
Speaker 14: run into that type of scenario when you're importing that

1888
01:38:33,133 --> 01:38:35,572
Speaker 14: particular product because you're not built you're not. It's not

1889
01:38:35,652 --> 01:38:37,612
Speaker 14: built out a long run, it's not built out of

1890
01:38:37,612 --> 01:38:39,732
Speaker 14: weather board, it's not better a still framing, it's not

1891
01:38:39,772 --> 01:38:43,492
Speaker 14: built out of timber. It's generally built out of expanded

1892
01:38:43,532 --> 01:38:46,852
Speaker 14: polystyrene panels, which is effectively just a chiller container.

1893
01:38:47,013 --> 01:38:49,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, so for the for the Chinese market rather than

1894
01:38:49,692 --> 01:38:52,772
Speaker 2: the New Zealand market, or certainly it's very broad rather

1895
01:38:52,812 --> 01:38:54,333
Speaker 2: than specifically for us here.

1896
01:38:54,732 --> 01:38:57,612
Speaker 14: So that's why the councils can also have their heckles

1897
01:38:57,692 --> 01:39:01,693
Speaker 14: up regarding it as well, because to be honest with you,

1898
01:39:01,692 --> 01:39:03,932
Speaker 14: you can't tell me that a chili chill a chili

1899
01:39:03,973 --> 01:39:07,372
Speaker 14: panel container is what you would call meeting the building code.

1900
01:39:07,293 --> 01:39:09,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that is very fair.

1901
01:39:09,293 --> 01:39:11,412
Speaker 14: You know what I mean. Yeah, So I've done all,

1902
01:39:11,492 --> 01:39:14,692
Speaker 14: I've done all this. I've made plenty of mistakes and

1903
01:39:14,772 --> 01:39:17,692
Speaker 14: I've gone through a lot of it. And so the

1904
01:39:17,732 --> 01:39:20,173
Speaker 14: only problem with the councils is that when you tap

1905
01:39:20,213 --> 01:39:22,692
Speaker 14: into their waste, if you're tapping into their manes, that's

1906
01:39:22,732 --> 01:39:26,893
Speaker 14: when they generally have a problem. Whether it's on wheels

1907
01:39:27,013 --> 01:39:29,892
Speaker 14: or skids. It does, it doesn't, It's irrelevant. It doesn't

1908
01:39:29,893 --> 01:39:32,053
Speaker 14: matter because when you get the cabin to site, it

1909
01:39:32,133 --> 01:39:33,812
Speaker 14: can't sit on the wheels anyway. It's got to be

1910
01:39:33,893 --> 01:39:35,892
Speaker 14: jacked up and put on blocks and leveled anyway. So

1911
01:39:36,093 --> 01:39:37,733
Speaker 14: whether it's on reels and it's irrelevant.

1912
01:39:39,173 --> 01:39:41,492
Speaker 2: So it just quickly, George, because we don't have much time.

1913
01:39:41,532 --> 01:39:43,612
Speaker 2: So as it stands now, if you've got a tiny home,

1914
01:39:43,732 --> 01:39:45,732
Speaker 2: and as you say, it's irrelevant whether it's on wheels

1915
01:39:45,772 --> 01:39:47,412
Speaker 2: or not, but sayd it is on wheels, it gets

1916
01:39:47,412 --> 01:39:50,293
Speaker 2: classified as a vehicle as long as you're running off sold.

1917
01:39:51,133 --> 01:39:55,132
Speaker 14: Yeah, you can't. You can't toe these big, these big cabins.

1918
01:39:55,133 --> 01:39:57,612
Speaker 14: They weighed between three and seven ton, so they can't.

1919
01:39:57,652 --> 01:39:59,093
Speaker 14: You can't just pull up the VT and JED and

1920
01:39:59,133 --> 01:40:00,972
Speaker 14: say chuck a waf on it. There is no cabin.

1921
01:40:01,372 --> 01:40:03,293
Speaker 14: There is no cabin of that size in New Zealand

1922
01:40:03,333 --> 01:40:05,333
Speaker 14: that has a waft on it. What happens is these

1923
01:40:05,372 --> 01:40:08,812
Speaker 14: cabin companies, and this is like I can tell the truth.

1924
01:40:08,933 --> 01:40:12,093
Speaker 14: These cabin companies have a normal trailer, right and then

1925
01:40:12,093 --> 01:40:13,892
Speaker 14: they go to they just go to the local VT

1926
01:40:14,013 --> 01:40:17,572
Speaker 14: n J and buy a cabin and buy a trailer plate, right,

1927
01:40:17,612 --> 01:40:19,532
Speaker 14: and then they register it as a trailer, but none

1928
01:40:19,572 --> 01:40:21,093
Speaker 14: of them have Warrener fitnesses on them.

1929
01:40:21,293 --> 01:40:21,572
Speaker 17: Zero.

1930
01:40:21,812 --> 01:40:26,572
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's just hogwash. Now you could put a warrant

1931
01:40:26,612 --> 01:40:29,293
Speaker 14: on something there was maybe four point two by two

1932
01:40:29,293 --> 01:40:31,053
Speaker 14: point four, such as just cabins. You know how they

1933
01:40:31,093 --> 01:40:33,293
Speaker 14: toe them behind with the trailer. That's just little single groups.

1934
01:40:33,372 --> 01:40:33,532
Speaker 2: Yep.

1935
01:40:33,692 --> 01:40:35,612
Speaker 14: Now all those ones can be warranted and regi ode

1936
01:40:35,812 --> 01:40:38,932
Speaker 14: saying with one slightly bigger, but anything self contained generally,

1937
01:40:39,612 --> 01:40:41,532
Speaker 14: it's unlikely you're going to have a warrant fitness on

1938
01:40:41,572 --> 01:40:43,293
Speaker 14: it because it's too big and heavy to be towed.

1939
01:40:44,333 --> 01:40:47,093
Speaker 14: It's over the gross mac mass vehicle weight to be

1940
01:40:47,093 --> 01:40:49,412
Speaker 14: able to toe it with a vehicle in Zealand.

1941
01:40:49,093 --> 01:40:50,532
Speaker 2: Makes a lot of sense, George. And as I say,

1942
01:40:50,532 --> 01:40:52,372
Speaker 2: we're going to go about thirty seconds. But back to

1943
01:40:52,492 --> 01:40:56,972
Speaker 2: the original topic of conversation and the frustration. But you

1944
01:40:57,213 --> 01:40:59,892
Speaker 2: it sounds like you agree with the council as long

1945
01:40:59,933 --> 01:41:03,532
Speaker 2: as the consistency. Yeah, the idea of calling them vehicles

1946
01:41:03,612 --> 01:41:04,412
Speaker 2: is taking the mac.

1947
01:41:05,053 --> 01:41:09,133
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's it's horseshit. So the other thing is that

1948
01:41:09,612 --> 01:41:12,852
Speaker 14: the councils need to understand that people have nowhere to live. Yeah,

1949
01:41:13,053 --> 01:41:14,973
Speaker 14: so sometimes you've got no other So, yeah, they're going

1950
01:41:14,973 --> 01:41:17,812
Speaker 14: to live in the tenth we'll sleep out under a tree. Exactly,

1951
01:41:17,853 --> 01:41:19,412
Speaker 14: we'll sleep in a cabin. What would you rather do?

1952
01:41:19,492 --> 01:41:20,212
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1953
01:41:20,293 --> 01:41:22,213
Speaker 14: The other side of the councils need to pull their

1954
01:41:22,253 --> 01:41:24,852
Speaker 14: heads in because all the councils around New Zealand there

1955
01:41:24,853 --> 01:41:26,572
Speaker 14: are a bunch of parasites. They are a virus to

1956
01:41:26,652 --> 01:41:30,133
Speaker 14: this country, just like the government. They're a virus, right,

1957
01:41:30,173 --> 01:41:33,372
Speaker 14: So they need to stop mucking around with people's lives

1958
01:41:33,732 --> 01:41:35,892
Speaker 14: and let people do what they need to do to

1959
01:41:35,933 --> 01:41:36,452
Speaker 14: get ahead.

1960
01:41:36,612 --> 01:41:40,052
Speaker 2: Yep, nicely, see George. Yeah, and thank you very much, mate,

1961
01:41:40,093 --> 01:41:42,532
Speaker 2: And I'll give you the same courtesy. Did you want

1962
01:41:42,532 --> 01:41:43,612
Speaker 2: to mention your business?

1963
01:41:44,293 --> 01:41:44,532
Speaker 6: Hell?

1964
01:41:44,612 --> 01:41:49,093
Speaker 2: Though, fair enough, La, it's probably wise. Cheers mate. That

1965
01:41:49,293 --> 01:41:52,652
Speaker 2: was a great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone

1966
01:41:52,652 --> 01:41:54,692
Speaker 2: who called and phoned on that. Look, I get it

1967
01:41:54,732 --> 01:41:57,253
Speaker 2: to George's point, and here to crack at everybody, so

1968
01:41:57,853 --> 01:42:00,972
Speaker 2: fair enough. But when it comes to these tiny homes

1969
01:42:01,013 --> 01:42:03,213
Speaker 2: and this new granny flat legislation that's going to come

1970
01:42:03,253 --> 01:42:06,173
Speaker 2: in effectively, as I see it, if you take the

1971
01:42:06,333 --> 01:42:09,532
Speaker 2: tiny homes of the off the whorld and you establish

1972
01:42:09,612 --> 01:42:12,612
Speaker 2: them as a permanent structure, then it becomes a granny flat,

1973
01:42:12,772 --> 01:42:15,333
Speaker 2: and then hopefully you're under the same legislation where you

1974
01:42:15,333 --> 01:42:18,133
Speaker 2: don't have to muck around with crazy consents. But time

1975
01:42:18,213 --> 01:42:20,732
Speaker 2: will tell on that one, because that legislation is still

1976
01:42:20,772 --> 01:42:23,612
Speaker 2: to be introduced to parliament. Right coming up, I want

1977
01:42:23,652 --> 01:42:28,213
Speaker 2: to have a quick chat about fires, backyard fires. There's

1978
01:42:28,253 --> 01:42:33,053
Speaker 2: a neighbor of mine who enjoys burning things in the backyard,

1979
01:42:34,333 --> 01:42:36,412
Speaker 2: and I just want to have a chat about the

1980
01:42:36,412 --> 01:42:42,452
Speaker 2: ins and outs of whether there is some legal revenue

1981
01:42:42,532 --> 01:42:45,972
Speaker 2: I can take to stop those particular neighbor burning things,

1982
01:42:46,372 --> 01:42:48,133
Speaker 2: or whether it's fair call. I mean to be fear

1983
01:42:48,213 --> 01:42:50,253
Speaker 2: of this neighbor. They are lovely neighbors. I don't know

1984
01:42:50,293 --> 01:42:52,412
Speaker 2: their names, but they smile and they weigh from time

1985
01:42:52,452 --> 01:42:58,852
Speaker 2: to time. I don't hang washing outside where they're fire is,

1986
01:42:58,973 --> 01:43:02,732
Speaker 2: but other neighbors do, and I imagine that stirs up

1987
01:43:02,772 --> 01:43:08,173
Speaker 2: a lot of hatred when their beautifully washed clothes get

1988
01:43:08,213 --> 01:43:13,133
Speaker 2: a smoke infused with it. But I tried to look

1989
01:43:13,173 --> 01:43:15,333
Speaker 2: up the legislation and it's a bit complex when it

1990
01:43:15,372 --> 01:43:17,892
Speaker 2: comes to backyard fires, because I think this neighbor could

1991
01:43:17,973 --> 01:43:20,973
Speaker 2: argue that it's a bit of a brazier situation. You

1992
01:43:21,013 --> 01:43:24,452
Speaker 2: get a lot of people who run a pizza oven

1993
01:43:24,652 --> 01:43:28,612
Speaker 2: situation to try and get around the legislation of no

1994
01:43:28,732 --> 01:43:31,652
Speaker 2: backyard fires. Oh, you're just cooking a pizza, but really

1995
01:43:31,652 --> 01:43:34,692
Speaker 2: it's just there for a fire. So petyard fires. Oh

1996
01:43:34,732 --> 01:43:37,852
Speaker 2: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Am I just being

1997
01:43:37,893 --> 01:43:42,293
Speaker 2: a bit of a car in here? Or is this

1998
01:43:42,372 --> 01:43:45,173
Speaker 2: neighbor taking the mick really keen to chat with you

1999
01:43:45,213 --> 01:43:49,892
Speaker 2: about backyard fires? Is it okay? Or do we need

2000
01:43:49,933 --> 01:43:52,372
Speaker 2: to clamp down a little bit on neighbors like, oh God,

2001
01:43:52,612 --> 01:43:53,973
Speaker 2: really keen to have a chat? I eight hundred and

2002
01:43:53,973 --> 01:43:55,973
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call headlines with

2003
01:43:56,133 --> 01:43:56,932
Speaker 2: Raylen coming up.

2004
01:43:59,652 --> 01:44:03,572
Speaker 3: You talk saidby headlines with blue bubble taxi. It's no

2005
01:44:03,692 --> 01:44:07,333
Speaker 3: trouble with a blue bubble. Parliament speakers conceded the House

2006
01:44:07,492 --> 01:44:10,892
Speaker 3: wasn't orderly yesterday and he should have stopped to question Brook.

2007
01:44:10,973 --> 01:44:15,092
Speaker 3: Van Velden answered with an extreme expleet of Jerry Brownlee

2008
01:44:15,173 --> 01:44:17,692
Speaker 3: says he shouldn't have let that go unchecked, and the

2009
01:44:17,732 --> 01:44:20,532
Speaker 3: member may wish to think about acting to uphold the

2010
01:44:20,612 --> 01:44:25,333
Speaker 3: dignity of the House. The Auditor General says Ortho Tarmariki

2011
01:44:25,372 --> 01:44:28,852
Speaker 3: needs to improve its social services contracts to be more

2012
01:44:28,893 --> 01:44:33,093
Speaker 3: evidence based and understanding of the effects on children and families.

2013
01:44:34,013 --> 01:44:37,693
Speaker 3: The PSA's taking Health enz to the Employment Relations Authority

2014
01:44:38,013 --> 01:44:41,532
Speaker 3: over more proposed cuts, it says or further undermine our

2015
01:44:41,572 --> 01:44:45,813
Speaker 3: health system. Police are asking for information on a suspicious

2016
01:44:45,853 --> 01:44:49,213
Speaker 3: house fire on Bright Street and Gray Mart's Cobden just

2017
01:44:49,253 --> 01:44:54,012
Speaker 3: after midnight last night. Up to fifteen Metro Style, Briscoe

2018
01:44:54,013 --> 01:44:56,612
Speaker 3: and Rebel Sports stores will be popping up across the

2019
01:44:56,652 --> 01:45:02,452
Speaker 3: country from twenty twenty eight. Fraud, Bankruptcies and lifetime ban

2020
01:45:02,853 --> 01:45:06,293
Speaker 3: New Zealand's Top ten banned business people. You can see

2021
01:45:06,333 --> 01:45:09,893
Speaker 3: more at Enzen Herald Premium to Tyler Adams.

2022
01:45:09,412 --> 01:45:11,293
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Railian. So, I just want to

2023
01:45:11,293 --> 01:45:13,253
Speaker 2: have a chat about backyard fires. I've got a neighbor,

2024
01:45:13,253 --> 01:45:15,213
Speaker 2: but lovely enough neighbors. I don't know their names, but

2025
01:45:15,253 --> 01:45:18,652
Speaker 2: they seem like good people. They smile and way from

2026
01:45:18,732 --> 01:45:20,732
Speaker 2: time to time. And you know, what more can you

2027
01:45:20,772 --> 01:45:22,652
Speaker 2: ask from a neighbor Apart from the fact that they

2028
01:45:23,173 --> 01:45:26,372
Speaker 2: like to burn things and what could be described as

2029
01:45:26,412 --> 01:45:31,693
Speaker 2: a brazier, It tends to be garden rubbish, nothing too offensive,

2030
01:45:31,772 --> 01:45:36,253
Speaker 2: nothing too toxic. And it wouldn't be an everyday situation,

2031
01:45:36,412 --> 01:45:40,652
Speaker 2: but once every two weeks, once every month. They just

2032
01:45:40,772 --> 01:45:42,772
Speaker 2: like having a bit of a burnoff, just a small

2033
01:45:42,812 --> 01:45:46,372
Speaker 2: we burn off. So the question I've got to you

2034
01:45:46,612 --> 01:45:50,812
Speaker 2: is is that an acceptable thing for neighbors to be doing,

2035
01:45:51,692 --> 01:45:54,053
Speaker 2: not just an Auckland but around the country. And where

2036
01:45:54,093 --> 01:45:58,133
Speaker 2: does the line? Where is the line between a brazier,

2037
01:45:58,492 --> 01:46:01,812
Speaker 2: a pizza oven or just taking the mick. I mean,

2038
01:46:01,853 --> 01:46:03,732
Speaker 2: I think it does upset some of my other neighbors

2039
01:46:03,732 --> 01:46:05,933
Speaker 2: who hang their washing outside because they don't give a

2040
01:46:06,013 --> 01:46:07,492
Speaker 2: heads up when they're going to burn the rubbish. They

2041
01:46:07,572 --> 01:46:10,173
Speaker 2: just do it and sometimes they sit around having a yack.

2042
01:46:10,772 --> 01:46:13,053
Speaker 2: So I think if I try to dob them into

2043
01:46:13,053 --> 01:46:15,253
Speaker 2: the council, which I don't know if I'll do, but

2044
01:46:15,253 --> 01:46:17,052
Speaker 2: if I try and dob them into the council, council

2045
01:46:17,093 --> 01:46:19,692
Speaker 2: comes around, they can just say, oh, it's a brazier.

2046
01:46:20,053 --> 01:46:22,053
Speaker 2: We're just having a bit of a fire brazier. It's

2047
01:46:22,053 --> 01:46:24,532
Speaker 2: a social thing. So when do you sit on this one?

2048
01:46:24,572 --> 01:46:27,173
Speaker 2: I hade hundred eighty ten eighty. I've just had a

2049
01:46:27,173 --> 01:46:29,852
Speaker 2: look at the Auckland Council website and it differs between

2050
01:46:29,933 --> 01:46:33,013
Speaker 2: councils but I'll just read out the information I've got

2051
01:46:33,053 --> 01:46:36,572
Speaker 2: about outdoor fires and residential areas. Provided you meet general

2052
01:46:36,572 --> 01:46:39,293
Speaker 2: fire safety conditions, you can use a small heating or

2053
01:46:39,293 --> 01:46:42,532
Speaker 2: cooking fire such as gas or solid fuel barbecue. Yet

2054
01:46:42,532 --> 01:46:46,173
Speaker 2: we get the barbecue thing, pizza oven, brazier, outdoor fireplace,

2055
01:46:47,213 --> 01:46:51,372
Speaker 2: or a hungy. So there's loopholes you can get around this.

2056
01:46:52,973 --> 01:46:55,572
Speaker 2: O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

2057
01:46:55,572 --> 01:46:57,652
Speaker 2: to call. Plenty of texts coming through this one as well.

2058
01:46:57,652 --> 01:47:02,532
Speaker 2: Get a Lisa, Hi, backyard fires, what do you reckon? Okay,

2059
01:47:02,572 --> 01:47:04,732
Speaker 2: should I dob this neighbor? And they're nice enough neighbors,

2060
01:47:04,973 --> 01:47:06,572
Speaker 2: But should I just give them away, knock on the

2061
01:47:06,612 --> 01:47:08,812
Speaker 2: door and say, hey, your fires little but a little

2062
01:47:08,812 --> 01:47:09,612
Speaker 2: bit out of hand to here?

2063
01:47:09,732 --> 01:47:09,812
Speaker 25: No?

2064
01:47:09,893 --> 01:47:10,133
Speaker 17: Good?

2065
01:47:11,412 --> 01:47:14,293
Speaker 8: Yeah you could, Hey, Like it's always nice to be,

2066
01:47:14,612 --> 01:47:17,372
Speaker 8: you know, nice and kind with your neighbors because you

2067
01:47:17,412 --> 01:47:20,532
Speaker 8: have to live next to them. Good point, But you know,

2068
01:47:20,692 --> 01:47:21,852
Speaker 8: like it's not exactly.

2069
01:47:22,853 --> 01:47:23,333
Speaker 23: I don't know.

2070
01:47:23,452 --> 01:47:26,012
Speaker 8: I think in neighborhoods where the houses are all close together,

2071
01:47:26,652 --> 01:47:28,652
Speaker 8: I just don't really think there's a place for fires.

2072
01:47:29,492 --> 01:47:31,452
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah.

2073
01:47:31,133 --> 01:47:36,972
Speaker 8: So I actually came home yesterday in the morning and

2074
01:47:37,893 --> 01:47:39,412
Speaker 8: sort of looked over the fence and saw all the

2075
01:47:39,532 --> 01:47:42,452
Speaker 8: smoke at the back of my house. Right it was

2076
01:47:42,572 --> 01:47:46,133
Speaker 8: like two doors along and it was all the smoke

2077
01:47:46,213 --> 01:47:49,892
Speaker 8: going up, but I couldn't see in their backyard, but

2078
01:47:49,933 --> 01:47:54,172
Speaker 8: it was going up right side a building. And yeah,

2079
01:47:54,213 --> 01:47:55,812
Speaker 8: so you didn't know if it was just someone having

2080
01:47:55,853 --> 01:47:59,532
Speaker 8: a backyard fire or if it was actually something on fire.

2081
01:47:59,692 --> 01:48:03,932
Speaker 8: And I couldn't see in there, so I actually called

2082
01:48:03,973 --> 01:48:04,853
Speaker 8: the fire brigade.

2083
01:48:05,452 --> 01:48:08,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not surprised, I mean, because you've had on

2084
01:48:08,173 --> 01:48:10,133
Speaker 2: some Lisa is As I say, I don't know when

2085
01:48:10,133 --> 01:48:13,452
Speaker 2: the neighbors are going to have, you know, light their fire,

2086
01:48:13,492 --> 01:48:17,333
Speaker 2: their backyard fire, but I know about it because I

2087
01:48:17,412 --> 01:48:20,532
Speaker 2: smell something burning and instantly I freak out a bit

2088
01:48:20,572 --> 01:48:22,572
Speaker 2: and thinking, cheap is what is that? Something is on

2089
01:48:22,612 --> 01:48:25,692
Speaker 2: fire outside? Is it on my property? Is there you know,

2090
01:48:25,692 --> 01:48:28,492
Speaker 2: a neighbor's house that's gone up, until I realize, oh, okay,

2091
01:48:28,492 --> 01:48:31,333
Speaker 2: it's the neighbor's burning some garden rubbish again, But it's not,

2092
01:48:31,812 --> 01:48:34,892
Speaker 2: you know, it's that initial panic situation, think shit is

2093
01:48:34,933 --> 01:48:35,572
Speaker 2: what is burning?

2094
01:48:36,612 --> 01:48:39,972
Speaker 8: Yeah? Exactly? Well, yeah, that's my fear. And I've actually

2095
01:48:40,013 --> 01:48:44,213
Speaker 8: had two fires around my neighbor's house which actually nearly

2096
01:48:44,213 --> 01:48:46,333
Speaker 8: burned the house. Don one nearly burned the house down,

2097
01:48:46,853 --> 01:48:50,892
Speaker 8: and the other one was out on the street in

2098
01:48:50,933 --> 01:48:54,973
Speaker 8: that plastic electrical bot that caught fire at three in

2099
01:48:55,013 --> 01:48:55,412
Speaker 8: the morning.

2100
01:48:57,452 --> 01:48:59,333
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on in your neighborhood in terms

2101
01:48:59,372 --> 01:48:59,812
Speaker 2: of fires.

2102
01:49:00,572 --> 01:49:03,013
Speaker 23: Yeah, too much, it sounds like it.

2103
01:49:03,732 --> 01:49:06,213
Speaker 2: So when it comes to a brazier, though, you reckon.

2104
01:49:06,333 --> 01:49:08,213
Speaker 2: I mean that is that taking the because a lot

2105
01:49:08,213 --> 01:49:10,492
Speaker 2: of people would try and do that loophole And I

2106
01:49:10,572 --> 01:49:13,532
Speaker 2: know people who have set up pizza ovens and they've

2107
01:49:13,572 --> 01:49:15,652
Speaker 2: never cooked a pizza in that in their life. They've

2108
01:49:15,692 --> 01:49:17,492
Speaker 2: just built it because they can have a fire in

2109
01:49:17,532 --> 01:49:20,093
Speaker 2: their backyard and get around council regulations. Do you think

2110
01:49:20,093 --> 01:49:20,892
Speaker 2: that's taking the mick.

2111
01:49:22,933 --> 01:49:27,092
Speaker 8: It's tens really. I mean it's tricky, isn't it. I mean,

2112
01:49:27,213 --> 01:49:30,053
Speaker 8: you know, like the fire could get away maybe and

2113
01:49:30,093 --> 01:49:33,133
Speaker 8: then you know, buildings could boom down. I don't know.

2114
01:49:33,213 --> 01:49:36,173
Speaker 8: It's a really hard one. But I'll tell you what

2115
01:49:36,253 --> 01:49:38,852
Speaker 8: the fiber gave were amazing. They irang and by the

2116
01:49:38,893 --> 01:49:42,213
Speaker 8: time I was hanging out that the you know, the

2117
01:49:42,253 --> 01:49:44,333
Speaker 8: sirens were coming down the road.

2118
01:49:44,772 --> 01:49:47,812
Speaker 2: They are good people. Yeah, absolutely, I mean the fire

2119
01:49:48,133 --> 01:49:51,972
Speaker 2: fire Service absolutely outstanding of what they do. Lisa, thank

2120
01:49:52,013 --> 01:49:53,772
Speaker 2: you very much. Can you get your thoughts on this?

2121
01:49:54,612 --> 01:49:57,892
Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty this Texter Tyler, you are

2122
01:49:57,933 --> 01:50:00,492
Speaker 2: a bloody Karen, thank you very much. Keep those ticks

2123
01:50:00,532 --> 01:50:03,652
Speaker 2: coming through. On nine to nine two do I dub

2124
01:50:03,732 --> 01:50:05,972
Speaker 2: this neighbor and the nice enough neighbors? Perhaps they don't

2125
01:50:05,973 --> 01:50:08,572
Speaker 2: know the local bylaws, but doesn't really matter. It is

2126
01:50:08,572 --> 01:50:13,572
Speaker 2: a brazier, and unlike Lisa's situation, there's no immediate danger

2127
01:50:13,692 --> 01:50:17,093
Speaker 2: to life and other. Is it really a problem? Can

2128
01:50:17,133 --> 01:50:19,092
Speaker 2: you get your thoughts? Today's quarter to four.

2129
01:50:20,452 --> 01:50:23,412
Speaker 1: Even a fresh take on Talk Back, It's Matt Heath

2130
01:50:23,492 --> 01:50:27,052
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say On eight hundred

2131
01:50:27,133 --> 01:50:28,652
Speaker 1: eighty eight Talk.

2132
01:50:28,572 --> 01:50:32,532
Speaker 2: The Afternoon, it is twelve to four. Backyard fires yay

2133
01:50:32,732 --> 01:50:36,093
Speaker 2: or nay? There's a neighbor next to us who likes

2134
01:50:36,093 --> 01:50:38,732
Speaker 2: a backyard fire every now and again. Anything wrong with it? Peter?

2135
01:50:40,612 --> 01:50:42,253
Speaker 18: Hello, Charon, tell you.

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Speaker 2: I am very good and I'm outraged by these backyard

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Speaker 2: fires and some.

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Speaker 26: Big You're one of those names that need to put

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Speaker 26: cotton around. Yeah, have you been honest? You would have

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Speaker 26: to be the owner.

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Speaker 2: I do love a good fire and as I was

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01:51:05,333 --> 01:51:09,852
Speaker 2: saying to to Andrew in the head break, these neighbors

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01:51:09,893 --> 01:51:13,572
Speaker 2: are lovely. They're quite elderly, and quite often when they

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01:51:13,612 --> 01:51:15,652
Speaker 2: start these fires, I don't give them grief, but I

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01:51:15,812 --> 01:51:17,213
Speaker 2: just like to keep an eye on it, just in

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01:51:17,253 --> 01:51:18,652
Speaker 2: case it gets a little bit out of control.

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Speaker 22: Question, are the Are the embers at least thirty foot

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01:51:24,652 --> 01:51:25,452
Speaker 22: high in the air?

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Speaker 2: No? No, not even closed. More fuel off your so

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01:51:31,532 --> 01:51:33,532
Speaker 2: you can get a creep.

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Speaker 26: The enders come well above defense. And you've got something

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01:51:39,772 --> 01:51:44,572
Speaker 26: to complain about. And so you're probably you need new sheets,

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01:51:44,572 --> 01:51:52,133
Speaker 26: and you've got little burn holes in them anyway, and.

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Speaker 7: I blame them, And.

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Speaker 26: What do we do recycling? I missed the old forty

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01:51:59,492 --> 01:52:02,452
Speaker 26: four going dron in the backyard. You know, there was

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Speaker 26: great memories as a kid going down and filling it

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01:52:05,973 --> 01:52:07,333
Speaker 26: up or wanting and follow it up.

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Speaker 2: So I'm with you, Peter, and I had that as

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Speaker 2: a kid. We lived on an orchard and hope near Nelson.

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01:52:12,732 --> 01:52:14,692
Speaker 2: We had that forty four gallon drum and that was

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01:52:14,732 --> 01:52:16,892
Speaker 2: my favorite shaw man And that was a good job.

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01:52:17,093 --> 01:52:18,852
Speaker 2: Loaded up with as much stuff as you could and

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Speaker 2: light it on fire and keep filling it with as

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Speaker 2: much wood and crap as you could. That was good.

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Speaker 2: That was a great job for a fourteen year old kid, Peter,

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01:52:27,973 --> 01:52:30,452
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, mate. But you know, just back

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Speaker 2: to the neighbors. We live in close quarters, and you

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01:52:33,652 --> 01:52:36,492
Speaker 2: know in summer when the grass is a bit fry,

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Speaker 2: you know. Look, I've grown up a bit, Peter, from

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01:52:38,652 --> 01:52:41,213
Speaker 2: that fourteen year old kid that loved fires. Lee, how

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01:52:41,253 --> 01:52:43,213
Speaker 2: are you great?

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Speaker 12: Thanks?

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Speaker 21: How are you good?

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Speaker 2: Backyard fires? Where do you sit?

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Speaker 20: It's an interesting one we had. We were renting and

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01:52:49,973 --> 01:52:52,253
Speaker 20: we had a neighbor below us that had it and

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01:52:52,612 --> 01:52:55,052
Speaker 20: hearing it. Whim had more shore counsel at the time

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Speaker 20: to find out whether they were legal or not. But

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01:52:57,652 --> 01:52:59,812
Speaker 20: it was an incinerator and because it was in a

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01:52:59,853 --> 01:53:04,093
Speaker 20: contained vessel, it was acceptable for them to actually do it,

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01:53:04,213 --> 01:53:05,012
Speaker 20: so it wasn't.

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Speaker 5: A problem, right yep.

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Speaker 12: So we were just real good with her. Would give

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01:53:09,133 --> 01:53:10,652
Speaker 12: us a heads up because if we had our.

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Speaker 20: Windows open, it would go through the whole house. So

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01:53:13,652 --> 01:53:15,173
Speaker 20: she just let us know and she was going to

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01:53:15,173 --> 01:53:16,812
Speaker 20: do it till we close things off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's fair enough. The more that we're talking

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Speaker 2: about this, Lee, I think why I've brought this up

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01:53:23,013 --> 01:53:26,733
Speaker 2: is not because I want to shut down their backyard

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01:53:26,732 --> 01:53:29,093
Speaker 2: burning fun. I think it's because I'd quite like to

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Speaker 2: do it as well as maybe get a brazier or

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01:53:30,812 --> 01:53:33,572
Speaker 2: a pizza oven with the guys that I just liked

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01:53:33,612 --> 01:53:39,293
Speaker 2: the idea of having an outdoor fire. Yeah, now, yeah,

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01:53:39,372 --> 01:53:41,173
Speaker 2: this has just been under the under the cloak of

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Speaker 2: having a go at my neighbors, when in reality I

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Speaker 2: just want to do it myself. Lee, thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for giving me a buzz. Oh eight one hundred

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01:53:47,412 --> 01:53:49,133
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

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Speaker 2: is nine to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons U

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Speaker 1: Storgs EDB on Newstalgs.

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Speaker 2: EDB six to four. Josh, you want to have a

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01:54:04,933 --> 01:54:07,932
Speaker 2: chat about braziers and outdoor fires. Where do you say? Okay?

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Speaker 2: You're are not okay?

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Speaker 19: I think it's perfectly okay. I mean, I think it

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Speaker 19: depends on the immediate environment, like if you're tapped onto

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Speaker 19: another house, and probably a different story to be a

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01:54:21,093 --> 01:54:25,252
Speaker 19: free standing house on your own property. But for example,

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01:54:25,293 --> 01:54:29,412
Speaker 19: we we do them every two to three weeks just

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Speaker 19: with garden waste, but then we actually utilize that in

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01:54:32,812 --> 01:54:36,453
Speaker 19: our combost to build up a combos and the nutriments

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01:54:36,453 --> 01:54:40,052
Speaker 19: and that. Right, So it's not necessarily you know, burning

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01:54:40,093 --> 01:54:43,613
Speaker 19: building waste and plastic and all of that sort of rubbish.

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Speaker 19: So I think I think it does also come down to,

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Speaker 19: you know, your intended use of the fire, because you're right,

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01:54:50,333 --> 01:54:51,573
Speaker 19: it is a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it certainly is. You know, who doesn't like a

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Speaker 2: fire with a reason? Of course, you know, I can

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01:54:55,573 --> 01:54:57,852
Speaker 2: get a little bit silly. But what part of the

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Speaker 2: country you and Josh? Are you in a city?

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Speaker 19: Yep? So I was in sort of the middle of Henderson,

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01:55:05,493 --> 01:55:07,733
Speaker 19: but now where we're a bit more rural out towards

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01:55:07,772 --> 01:55:10,892
Speaker 19: the Helmville and gosh, some of the fires out here

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Speaker 19: are insane. Well, I do think there slightly different out there.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just wonder because the thing that blew my

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Speaker 2: mind when I moved up to Auckland, been up here

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Speaker 2: six months now is you can't get rid of your

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01:55:20,733 --> 01:55:22,932
Speaker 2: garden waste. There's no I mean, there's a tiny green bin,

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01:55:22,973 --> 01:55:24,733
Speaker 2: but you're not going to stick branches and there are you.

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Speaker 2: So I imagine that's part of it, right, is there's

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Speaker 2: no real way to get rid of your garden waste

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Speaker 2: unless you load up a trailer and go down to

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01:55:30,733 --> 01:55:32,133
Speaker 2: the dump and pay a lot a lot of money

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Speaker 2: for it. So you know, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 2: people saying burn it up.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, that's right. And and like I heard you

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Speaker 19: saying earlier you had as a fun job when you're fourteen, Well,

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Speaker 19: it's the fun job my five year old and my

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01:55:43,453 --> 01:55:45,693
Speaker 19: seven year old to see you see what else they

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Speaker 19: can find, you know, in the garden that's nice and

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01:55:47,613 --> 01:55:49,733
Speaker 19: dry that they can help Dad get rid of.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, love it, Josh, Thank you very much, mate,

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Speaker 2: And thanking everybody who called and phoned and helped me

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Speaker 2: out on that one. And as I said before, if

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Speaker 2: I've been honest, I think I just want my own

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01:56:01,093 --> 01:56:03,653
Speaker 2: brazier on my own little fire pit. And someone mentioned

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Speaker 2: the smokeless fire pit from Wizard. I'll give that a look,

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01:56:06,493 --> 01:56:08,733
Speaker 2: but I think that's me sort of Tyler. Next you're

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01:56:08,733 --> 01:56:10,733
Speaker 2: going to try and ban the barbecue here. We can

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01:56:10,733 --> 01:56:12,772
Speaker 2: have a chat about that tomorrow. Man is back tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: by the way, and thank you to everybody who gave

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Speaker 2: us a buzz. Really enjoyed today. We'll do it all

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Speaker 2: again tomorrow Friday until then have a great easing.

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