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Speaker 1: On the huddle with us Fillow Raley of Iron Duke

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Speaker 1: Partners and Ali Jones of read pr Hello are you

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Speaker 1: two hi?

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Speaker 2: Ever?

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Speaker 3: Right? So?

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Speaker 1: Phil, what do you reckon? Is the punishment for the

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Speaker 1: Marty Party bang on too harsh or not harsh enough?

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Speaker 3: Well, if that's what they came up with, and so

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Speaker 3: therefore I agree with it. Here's the point though, The

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Speaker 3: reason it's so harsh is not only did they not

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Speaker 3: only do they stop a vote in the Parliament in

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Speaker 3: a pretty dramatic sort of way, then they didn't really engage.

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Speaker 3: They never apologized that they were really engaged in the process.

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Speaker 3: And another thing, the whole thing's racist. And let me

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Speaker 3: give you a comparator. If I go on to a Rye,

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Speaker 3: then I'm expected to follow Mariy protocol and by the way,

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Speaker 3: I absolutely do, and I support that idea. It's a

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Speaker 3: fantastic idea. If I want to change that, I don't

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Speaker 3: just walk in and abuse it and say well I

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Speaker 3: don't if you comply with those rules because it was

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Speaker 3: my particular my particular ethnicity. So if the Mary Party

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Speaker 3: wants to get changes in protocol and Parliament, and I

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Speaker 3: think they've got a very good chaste, very very good

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Speaker 3: case to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Then they need to work through that process in a

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Speaker 3: constructive way. And that's why I think the punishments so harsh,

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Speaker 3: and that's why why you fundamentally agree with it.

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Speaker 2: Ali Ah, I'm kind of over it. But do you

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Speaker 2: think that comparat is the new C word here that

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Speaker 2: I'm just beginning to wonder because it seems to be

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Speaker 2: used a lot. Look, I can understand what phill is

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Speaker 2: saying that there are rules they should be adhered to.

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Speaker 2: If they want to change them, there's a process to

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Speaker 2: go through. But the other thing, too is how do

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Speaker 2: we keep politics interesting and energetic and passionate but not

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Speaker 2: an anarchy. And it's those it's that fine line or

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Speaker 2: that line between those two things that I think we

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Speaker 2: a little harsh because it would have to be for

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Speaker 2: Jerry to suggest that, I mean, I've worked with him

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Speaker 2: over the years with the earthquake recovery in christ Church,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, for Jerry Browny to say he thought it

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Speaker 2: was a little harsh.

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Speaker 1: As very ali. Maybe he softened in his old days.

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Speaker 2: Oh I don't think so. You obviously don't know Jerry.

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Speaker 3: You know, do you think Jerry's doing the right thing.

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Speaker 3: They'd actually allow a good debate in Parliament about I

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Speaker 3: think what a good speaker would do, because the punishment

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Speaker 3: is unprecedented, and I think Tims saying easy going to

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Speaker 3: let it whatever say about that I think is good

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Speaker 3: because it allows these arguments to come out.

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Speaker 1: However, however, Phil, I'll give you an alternative argument on that, right,

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Speaker 1: because it's a fair point that you're making. But here's

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Speaker 1: the alternative argument. If Parliament takes his direction and waters

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Speaker 1: down the punishment and then gives them I don't know,

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Speaker 1: let's say three days, seven days, whatever, and they do

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Speaker 1: then he has told Parliament you need to soften this

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Speaker 3: Well, if that's the case, then they put them out

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Speaker 3: for forty days. I mean, that's the point, right, because you've

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Speaker 3: I think that's why the punishment has been so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you made a really interesting point there, Ali, which

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Speaker 1: is that we have to keep Parliament interesting. This is

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Speaker 1: ultimately what's going on here in a social media world.

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Speaker 1: You've got these guys acting up, doing the huker Brook,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I think the social media helped to

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Speaker 2: mean even before social media you might not remember that

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Speaker 2: Imagine if we didn't have someone like Winston Peters in there.

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Speaker 2: We've got to have the passion even if we are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, listen, We'll take a break and come back

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Speaker 1: to you guys. Back on the huddle with Fillerali and

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Speaker 1: Ali Jones. Ali, were you surprised this drug testing at

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Speaker 2: was really surprised. But I would like to know why

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Speaker 2: what it is that? Is it the availability of the drug.

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Speaker 2: Is it that the cost of the drug? Is it

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Speaker 2: why people not taking cocaine as they used to. I

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Speaker 2: the wastewater system. As far as testing people, more goes

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Speaker 2: absolutely if they're in a role, whether in charge of

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Speaker 2: a problem with that at all.

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Speaker 1: What about, Phil, if they're just in a role like,

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Speaker 1: for example, what about drug testing radio announcers, Because if seriously,

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Speaker 1: if one of us and it definitely isn't me, obviously,

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Speaker 1: but if one of us was on the glass pipe

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Speaker 1: just I mean, you could break all kinds of broadcasting rule.

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Speaker 1: There's the reputational side, which Glenn was saying to us

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Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the show, Glenn Dobson, there's

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Speaker 1: the reputational side. If you get busted and you're on

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Speaker 1: the pee or have been using the pe, how bad

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Speaker 1: that looks for your company? So, actually, Phil, is there

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Speaker 1: not an argument for any employer to do it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? There is. I agree with Valley that the primary

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Speaker 3: I was just checking with a few of my mates

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Speaker 3: carriers don on that culture is everybody gets tested, right,

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Speaker 3: there is there a role to think about the wider

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Speaker 3: risk issued to say, to your point, there's a risk

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Speaker 3: that someone breaks some rules because they're you know, they're

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Speaker 3: on the on the on the on the pipe. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think you could take that view, but you start

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Speaker 3: that testing which says, if we find you, we're going

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Speaker 3: we kind of buy that idea. Such a it's a

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Speaker 3: not perfect by any means, No.

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Speaker 1: Not at all, Alie, Okay to keep the fifty four

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Speaker 2: Do you know I put the mother lens on this

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Speaker 2: when I first saw the story, you know, I really

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the rules are.

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Speaker 3: Philly.

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Speaker 2: You're a rugby player. Maybe if if you're if you're

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Speaker 3: I'm so useless at sport made I tell you what

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping. But when I was, when I was a boy,

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Speaker 3: to say, within some limitations that if you're if you're

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Speaker 3: You mean you might, it's not you know. That's why

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Speaker 3: I say wait for ages. It's not just age, it's

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Speaker 3: also wake the man.

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Speaker 1: Is your birthday?

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Speaker 3: It is?

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Speaker 1: And Harvey Harvey. I don't know who Harvey is, but

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Speaker 1: Harvey dobbed you in on the text machine. Do you

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Speaker 1: know who Harvey is?

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Speaker 3: I do know Harvey. He's a carphonetic from one Ray

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Speaker 3: I know exactly.

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Phil, I hope you have a lovely day

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