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Speaker 1: Kiota.

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Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a

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Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. You may

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Speaker 2: have heard something recently about the Epstein files. Nearly six

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Speaker 2: years after the disgraced financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: died in prison, he has once again become the center

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Speaker 2: of political controversy in the United States. It's after the

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Speaker 2: Justice Department decided not to release more detailed records from

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Speaker 2: the Epstein investigation, with Attorney General Pam Bondie concluding he

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Speaker 2: did not leave behind a so called client list. But

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Speaker 2: that hasn't stopped the avalanche of speculation and major MAGA

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Speaker 2: infighting over the apparent lack of transparency. So has that

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Speaker 2: been a major cover up or have we succumbed to

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Speaker 2: another kennedyesque conspiracy and there's actually nothing to see here.

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Speaker 2: Today on the Front Page, Associated Press Washington correspondent Eric

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Speaker 2: Tucker will take us through the latest in the Epstein saga.

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Speaker 2: First off, Eric, are you able to give us a

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Speaker 2: little bit of background on this Epstein scandal?

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Speaker 3: Sure so. Jeffrey Epstein was a very wealthy New York

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Speaker 3: financer who had connections with really significant powerful people in

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Speaker 3: the United States, both political figures and celebrities, and he

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Speaker 3: was arrested in twenty nineteen on sex trafficking charges. He

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Speaker 3: was basically accused of having sexual relationships with underage girls

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Speaker 3: at different properties. And one of the things that I

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Speaker 3: think is really captured the public's attention is that weeks

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Speaker 3: after his arrests, he was found dead in his New

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Speaker 3: York jail cell, and the authorities quickly determined that that

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Speaker 3: was a suicide. But there have been in the ensuing

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Speaker 3: theorists sprout around that, and then there have been questions

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Speaker 3: about who exactly his friends were, and who might have

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Speaker 3: traveled with him, and who might have engaged in any

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Speaker 2: What was promised earlier this year by the Trump administration,

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Speaker 3: Justice Department and the FBI had committed to releasing the

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Speaker 3: investigative file from the Epstein case. This is actually something

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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump, who is himself an associate of Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 3: a pledge that we had heard repeatedly from Attorney General

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Speaker 3: Pam Bondi. In February, she was asked in a Fox

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Speaker 3: to release the quote unquote client list, and she nodded

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Speaker 1: Pleasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

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Speaker 2: Well, that really happen.

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Speaker 4: It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's

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Speaker 4: been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm

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Speaker 4: reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process

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Speaker 4: of being reviewed because that was done at the directive

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Speaker 4: of the president from all of these agencies.

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Speaker 3: She has since said that she was referring to the

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Speaker 3: entire Epstein case file as being on her desk, and

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Speaker 3: so the public over the course of several months began

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Speaker 2: Right now. A lot of names in this case household

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Speaker 3: So, Pam Bondi is someone who had been the attorney

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Speaker 3: She'd actually defended Donald Trump in one of his impeachment

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Speaker 3: important to note what these three people had said in

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Speaker 3: So Hash Battel and Dan Bongino, the two leaders of

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Speaker 3: They had openly questioned the idea about whether Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: Fact, right, So were there some was where the file

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Speaker 3: So the only thing that was released, the only thing

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Speaker 3: But even that contained a missing minute that fueled conspiracy

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Speaker 3: he said the materials that didn't reviewed were pornographic in

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Speaker 3: And again, this is something that when you think about

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Speaker 2: Don't know whether there is or isn't a client list.

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Speaker 2: Everyone says that there isn't, but there may be. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what do you reckon, Eric.

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Speaker 3: So we're still trying to report out exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: One thing I should note is that FBI and just

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Speaker 3: So there's no question there's a lot of documentation, There's

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Speaker 3: separate apart from whatever pornographic information the Attorney General is

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Speaker 3: Is it possible as something could be released later? I

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Speaker 3: He's thrown his support fully behind Attorney General Bondie, So

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Speaker 1: It's pretty big. I have to be honest. It's just

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Speaker 1: a red line that it crosses for many people. Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein is literally the most well known convicted pedophile and

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Speaker 1: modern day history. This is something that's been talked about

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Speaker 1: by many people serving in the administration, myself and many

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Speaker 2: I see political figures from both sides of the aisle

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Speaker 4: Does that happen often?

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Speaker 3: It does not happen often, not in this polarized climate

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Speaker 3: you know, It's easier to understand a little bit the

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Speaker 3: there are people who feel sort of let down that

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Speaker 3: this does not an example of transparency or accountability in terms.

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Speaker 2: Of releasing the files, Like how hard would it be

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Speaker 2: for them to release them? I understand that there will

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Speaker 2: be sensitive information in but for example, here, you'd ask

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Speaker 2: Is that something similar that happens in the US, or

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Speaker 2: if they release something that has to be full transparency.

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Speaker 3: No, that's an outstanding question, and I think it is

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Speaker 3: certainly the norm, just as you mentioned here in the

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Speaker 3: fact fly on Jeffrey Epstein's plane. He was really well

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Speaker 3: known to people who are, you know, former presidents. But

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Speaker 3: again there's been no public allegation, no suspicion that anybody

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Speaker 3: Glene Maxwell. Well they're the only two have ever been

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Speaker 2: People are saying that the magabase mad at Trump, but

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Speaker 2: I suppose the mainstream media finding something controversial to talk about.

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Speaker 3: I think that the brunt of the anger is falling

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Speaker 3: I do think there's anger at Trump, and sort of

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Speaker 5: Mister resident, I know you've urged people to move on,

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Speaker 5: but I'm curious, why do you think your supporters in

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Speaker 6: Do you think that is why they would be so interested?

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Speaker 6: And he's dead for a long time. He was never

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Speaker 6: a big factor in terms of life. I don't understand

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Speaker 6: what the interest or what the fascination is. I really

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Speaker 6: don't have the credible information has been given. Don't forget

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Speaker 6: we went through years of the follow which hunted all

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Speaker 6: All that information is made. But I don't understand why

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Speaker 6: It's pretty boring stuff.

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Speaker 2: on Trump's legacy? I suppose, But he is quite quick

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Speaker 3: It's hard to say, you know, the news cycle in

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Speaker 3: there's no question that the Epstein story has had staying power,

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Speaker 3: though it's captured the public's attention for years in some ways,

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Speaker 2: I suppose it has all of the makings of a

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Speaker 2: it's got you know, as soon as all those flight

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Speaker 2: it's now been a case that they've gotten in to

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Speaker 3: That's absolutely true. I think there's there's no question about that.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that I think we haven't

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Speaker 3: But there's no question, as you said, that it's proven

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, what should the public expect next?

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Speaker 3: We're all sort of waiting to see. There was a

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Speaker 3: So that's gonna be one dynamic to watch. There are

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Speaker 3: They have spoken to their sources who say the Justice

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Speaker 3: no indication that's true, though, and the Just Department is

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Speaker 3: We have no reason to think that that's true. But

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Speaker 2: It's been six years since Jeffrey Epstein died. Do you

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Speaker 2: Or is this turning into a kind of JFK? Is

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Speaker 3: Only that Trump administration hopes that this story's over. The

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Speaker 3: about Jeffrey Epstein. President Trump has said we're done talking

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Speaker 3: about him. Died six years ago, as you mentioned, so

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Speaker 3: great conversation. Appreciate it.

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