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Speaker 1: Demanding the answers from the decision makers. Andrew Dickens on

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Speaker 1: the My Asking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, Doing real

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Speaker 1: estate differently since nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 3: Sachs tex Smarts film. Good morning, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: It is the tenth of July. My name is Andrew Dickens,

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Speaker 3: handled nine and for my news on holiday. Who's back

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Speaker 3: on Monday today? When will the fight against inflation at

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Speaker 3: the age of high interest rates be over? Nick Touffley

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Speaker 3: and Andrew Kelleher on today's ocr our Smart Roads user

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Speaker 3: charges the answer for funding our woefully underfunded road system.

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Speaker 3: Will investigate with the New Zealand Initiative and sale GP

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Speaker 3: is back in Auckland. But can all be ready in time?

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Auckham Unlimited passed the course

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Speaker 3: the politicians after right, Matt Mitchell and Carneal Zeppeloni, it's

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Speaker 3: all to come here on News Talks heed B zed B. Hey,

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Speaker 3: so now we know what happened and what was bent

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Speaker 3: on Orcan's light rail that never happened. Apparently two hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty nine million dollars over six years. Now, that

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Speaker 3: is a lot of money for not one meter of track,

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Speaker 3: which is a very catchy line. Politicians use it all

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Speaker 3: the time. But of course that two hundred and twenty

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Speaker 3: nine million did buy something. There is a whole heap

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Speaker 3: of IP and property that it bought. The biggest spend

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Speaker 3: was sixty four million on plans and geotech. Now that

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Speaker 3: stuff is still sitting on computers. That stuff is still relevant.

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Speaker 3: It needs to be saved because you never know, light

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Speaker 3: rail might still happen. So is that wasted? I would say,

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Speaker 3: with light rail being so common right around the world,

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Speaker 3: it's inconceivable that it won't finally come here one day.

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Speaker 3: So eventually that money will not have been wasted. Maybe

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Speaker 3: what really killed light rail was labor. They mucked about,

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Speaker 3: They stuck it underground. They let politicians get into the

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Speaker 3: design of it, who of course know nothing about how

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Speaker 3: to design light rail. They let the costs balloon. They

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Speaker 3: did nothing. Hey, but now we hear that there may

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Speaker 3: be trials of a trackless tram in Auckland before the

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Speaker 3: end of the year. It's been developed by China Rail.

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Speaker 3: It operates in Shanghai and Mexico. Perth has done a

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Speaker 3: trial and now at says they're interested. So it's basically

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Speaker 3: very long articulated buses running on roads, running on tires.

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Speaker 3: They can go up hills like the Harbor Bridge. And

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Speaker 3: here's the thing. You don't have to lay tracks. You

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Speaker 3: just bang some magnetic nails into the road and the

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Speaker 3: trackless tram will follow it. Marvelous and cheap. So it

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Speaker 3: sounds promising, But if the history of debate on public

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Speaker 3: to come out and go nay, say the whole idea.

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Speaker 3: Now my take on that is, if you're going to

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Speaker 3: proclaim on public transport, maybe you should be taking it.

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Speaker 3: My social media editor at gold In mus twenty two

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Speaker 3: she's paid nothing. She has no car, and if she

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Speaker 3: did no money to pay for the parking, she is

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Speaker 3: forced onto public transport. She hates the public transport, but

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Speaker 3: she has to use it. She lives seven kilometer from town,

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Speaker 3: she has to take two buses. She begs for a

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Speaker 3: bus lane so the whole thing speeds up. Fifty percent

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Speaker 3: of workers in the Auckland CBD are like that. They

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Speaker 3: take public transport. They want it to be better, and

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Speaker 3: if it is better, they get off the road. And

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Speaker 3: then you and I who like to drive a car.

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Speaker 3: We'll have more room.

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Speaker 2: News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 3: All right, there's been a day of speeches in the

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Speaker 3: United Kingdom Parliament, and first you had the Speaker of

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Speaker 3: the infamous, Sir Lindsay Hoyle. He's back with gavel and hands.

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Speaker 4: I am aware that it is the greatest honor it

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Speaker 4: all within my power to preserve and cherish its best traditions.

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Speaker 3: Now Soakia the Prime Minister Stammer is his name, made

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Speaker 3: his maiden speech in the House.

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Speaker 5: We have the opportunity and the responsibility to put an

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Speaker 5: end to a politics that has too often seen self

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Speaker 5: serving and self obsessed, and to replace that politics of

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, poor old Rishie can't stop apologizing.

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Speaker 6: For those of us in my party. Let me begin

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Speaker 6: with a message to those who are no longer sitting

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Speaker 6: behind me.

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Speaker 2: I am sorry.

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Speaker 6: We have lost too many diligent, community spirited representatives whose

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Speaker 6: wisdom and expertise will be missed in the debates and

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Speaker 6: discussions ahead.

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Speaker 3: No, dear, never mind. Meanwhile, Nigel Farage is still celebrating

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Speaker 3: and still throwing shots.

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Speaker 7: The labor majority is massive, so challenging on legislation is

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Speaker 7: going to be foremost fruitless. But providing a voice of

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Speaker 7: opposition and questioning what a government with a huge majority

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Speaker 3: He's going to be great opposition.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: One of the biggest health issues that plagued the Tories

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Speaker 3: but they won't be getting good news from the labor government.

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Speaker 6: We were very clear that the headline thirty five percent

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Speaker 6: play demand is not one that we could afford, and

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Speaker 6: that has not changed since the general election.

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Speaker 3: And meanwhile, out of the UK and to the United States,

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Speaker 3: another promise from Biden that he will be running and

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Speaker 3: more Democrats have his back.

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Speaker 8: I'd certainly support President Biden, but I think we would

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Speaker 8: be less endangered of a TRUP presidency if we had

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Speaker 9: What did you agree in the meeting.

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Speaker 2: We'll stay with Papa.

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Speaker 10: He's made a firm commitment that he's going to run again,

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Speaker 10: and I think most members feel if he this is

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he's going to run again right after a nap. Finally,

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Speaker 3: Copenhagen has a plan to bring in more environmentally friendly tourists.

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Speaker 3: They have designed a new trial program which begins in

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Speaker 3: five days. It's called the Coden Pay scheme, and what

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Speaker 3: it does is reward tourists who do environmentally friendly activities

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Speaker 3: with rewards. What are the rewards, Well, if you write

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Speaker 3: on public transport or pick up litter or volunteer at

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Speaker 3: some cultural experiences. And tourists, mind you, the free food

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Speaker 3: is always Veerian and the cultural experiences are recycling museums,

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Speaker 3: based on truss, so you just have to tell someone

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Speaker 3: that you've done these things. Yeah right, yeah, I did

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Speaker 3: a lot of lit up picking up today. Where's that

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Speaker 3: The rate has not moved for a year. Now, that's

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Speaker 3: twelve months. I know that never has been saying six

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Speaker 3: what about businesses. Hey, businesses are doing it tough. Everyone

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Speaker 3: Nick Toughly from the ASB is here after seven, and

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Speaker 2: Is next the Mike hosting breakfast a.

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Speaker 3: New talkshire B. It is now six seventeen. Let's go

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Speaker 3: to Jami Andrew Keller had good morning.

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Speaker 2: To you morning, Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Did you get up early? Did you watch the tennis?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 11: up early enough?

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Speaker 3: Andrew, exactly right, not as early as you. Yes, I know,

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Speaker 3: but money never sleeps. And Hey, before we get into

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Speaker 3: let's talk about Australian business confidence and consumer confidence. How

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Speaker 11: Yes, one of the big macro themes that I sort

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Speaker 11: seeing quite divergent economic outcomes, Andrew in different places, because

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Speaker 11: had similar physical and monetary policy responses. Then you got inflation,

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Speaker 11: and in that respect it's clearly diverging from business sentiment here.

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Speaker 11: So that was only be Business confidence jumps six points

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Speaker 11: it was brief, it was very concise, and it's entirely

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Speaker 11: possible we get a similar sized missive at this juncture. Now,

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Speaker 11: the universal consensus is that the OCO will stay at five.

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Speaker 11: Look, there is the opportunity for the bank to discuss

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Speaker 11: push down retail rates, which is not what the RB

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Speaker 11: quarter CPI number and the third quarter CPI number as well.

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Speaker 11: They need to see those figures to be convinced that

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Speaker 11: there's absolutely no doubt come to the recent data we've

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Speaker 11: seen would support a dubvish tilt, but that data has

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Speaker 11: the Arbian said, we'll want to see cold hard facts

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Speaker 11: financial markets. Look, we're still expecting a far earlier move

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Speaker 11: in the OCI, and the bank is currently forecasting. But

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Speaker 11: so there's no change or in statement, it's.

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Speaker 3: Been a very long two and a half year battle

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Speaker 11: Dal Jones is down twenty one points thirty nine three

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Speaker 3: Hey, so this is news talksb six twenty five. There's

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Speaker 1: That he news trending now the chemist Warehouse, the home

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Speaker 3: I love the original Gladiator. It was just a great movie.

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Speaker 3: we're getting Gladiator too. But no, Russell, time has ticked on.

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Speaker 3: It is twenty four years later, and here is the sequel.

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Speaker 2: I remember that day. I never forgot it.

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Speaker 12: But a slave could take revenge against an emperor.

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Speaker 2: A mother and our father. The Colosseum, because this is

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Speaker 7: The arena turned slaves into gladiators, and the gladiators into

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Speaker 2: The entire Roman armies too much. The strain belonged to Maximus.

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Speaker 3: Now I give it to you whoa, So who were

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Speaker 3: And it's out in cinemas November twenty two. So this

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Speaker 3: just a few moments time. It is twenty two to seven.

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Speaker 3: There's a long line of cars and they're trying.

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Speaker 2: To get through.

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Speaker 3: So the New Zealand Initiative is proposing we replace fuel

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Speaker 3: excise duty with a smart Road User Charges system. Now

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Speaker 3: Under the Smart Road User Charges, vehicles would actually be

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Speaker 3: So it's a little bit more advanced than our current system.

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Speaker 3: It will reduce congestion, they believe, and ensure fair and

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Speaker 14: Richard, Oh, Matthew, good morning, Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Don't know where the Richard came from, but there we

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Speaker 3: have it. Is this, if we're even considering this, is

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Speaker 14: No, so under Smartrock road users wouldn't pay more. The

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Speaker 14: system is designed to be revenue neutral, so it's just

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Speaker 3: Okay. So, but some people might pay a bit more

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Speaker 3: So overall cost neutral yep.

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Speaker 14: Correct. So around the margins, if you're traveling and say

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Speaker 3: But if you don't like it, you cannot doubt by

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Speaker 14: Yeah, exactly. I mean that's one of the benefits of

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Speaker 3: doing everything. Can you explain how your model would actually

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Speaker 14: Yeah? Sure, So road users would have two payment options,

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Speaker 14: use for our ruck. So it gives you flexibility for

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Speaker 3: Okay, so there won't be an electronic thing picking us then.

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Speaker 14: No, no, So you have the option to have an

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Speaker 3: But you need the electronic one if you're going to

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Speaker 3: do the congestion charges at the same time, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 14: Well you can actually go also for number plate technology,

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Speaker 3: Fascinating Is this being done overseas.

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Speaker 14: So congestion charging, yes, and also tolling. And in the

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Speaker 14: New Zealand is really well positioned to do this. We

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Speaker 3: How long will it take to roll this out?

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Speaker 14: So I've outlined a five year implementation phase. I think

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Speaker 14: it's really important not to go for just a big bang,

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Speaker 3: Getting text all over the place, mate, he says, how

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Speaker 14: Look, that's something for the Ministry of Transport to work out.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's another one. Is there a trade discount?

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Speaker 15: Mate?

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Speaker 14: I haven't factored that into the smartreck proposal as of yet.

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Speaker 14: I think as an important principle, you don't really want

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Speaker 3: And I got one more from the audience. What a

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Speaker 3: will this work for farmers? For instance, they're driving down

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Speaker 14: No, the farmers excluded from smart road user charges.

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Speaker 3: Well, hold on one moment you're saying exemptions are bad,

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Speaker 3: next moment you're exempting.

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Speaker 14: Well, yeah, if they're driving around the paddock, you know,

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Speaker 14: no problem without it. For they're using public roads and

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Speaker 3: Doctor Matthew Burchill, thank you so much for doing some

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Speaker 3: thinking on us. And what do you think about this?

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Speaker 16: He's saying that it's less his system's less complicated. Did

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Speaker 16: it sound Do you know what doesn't sound that complicated

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Speaker 16: is the text that we used to play pay here

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Speaker 3: You fill up the gas and then you pay for

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Speaker 16: And I'm wondering if we went the wrong way, if

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Speaker 16: this kick ass fast track government just was a little

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Speaker 16: bit hasty with that, and perhaps they should have just

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Speaker 9: Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Some textas asked me before, it's the New Zealand Initiative,

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Speaker 3: right wing and now of course the texts are saying

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Speaker 3: this is communism at its best. What a croc And

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Speaker 3: of course somebody said, I've got to read this text,

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Speaker 3: I've got to find it again to well tell him

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Speaker 3: I'm dreaming. And then somebody says, oh, does he work

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Speaker 3: for the wef or the devil? What do you think

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Speaker 3: of the idea? Think about it? Rationally? Sixteen to seven newstalksb.

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Speaker 2: The mic costing breakfast.

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Speaker 3: And while we're on the topic of cars and petrol

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Speaker 3: porter standard was going to be a lowered to align

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Speaker 3: with Australia's emission standards plan. Some people don't like it

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Speaker 3: because it means we might get some slightly dirtier cars

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Speaker 3: what's the plan, Greg Epps? Or Epps should I say?

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Speaker 3: Greg Epps, who's from the important Motor Vehicle Industry Association

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Speaker 3: is joining us. Next hour is now thirteen minutes to seven.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Richard Arnold from the United States of America. Good morning

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Speaker 3: to you, sir.

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Speaker 2: What are you Andrew?

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Speaker 3: So the House is back and there's lots of closed

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Speaker 3: door meetings for the Democrats. Gee, what are they talking about?

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Speaker 13: Well, it's a house divided as they talk about what

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Speaker 13: Joe Biden should be doing in terms of running for

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Speaker 13: the presidency. Again, they met for two hours on the

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Speaker 13: House side. When they came out of that session, Democrats

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Speaker 13: Steve Cohen was asked if there is part of unity

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Speaker 13: on Biden's apparent bid to stay in the race.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean, You're not on the same page.

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Speaker 13: Not even the same book. Senate Democrats are holding a

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Speaker 13: similar session. To this point, President Biden is showing increasing

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Speaker 13: insistence that he will remain as the presumptive nominee, and

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Speaker 13: he has challenged any rivals.

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Speaker 17: I'm getting so frustrated, but by the lead. If any

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Speaker 17: of these guys, I don't think I should run against me.

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Speaker 13: So many of the Democrats emerging from the House session

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Speaker 13: are describing a feeling of deep sadness in their ranks,

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Speaker 13: says Sean Easton.

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Speaker 10: Great sadness that we are not having a conversation about

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Speaker 10: the fact that we have two people learning for president.

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Speaker 10: One of them has a record that anybody would be

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Speaker 10: proud to have, and the other one is an adjudicated

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Speaker 10: rapist or twice in beached convicted fellony.

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Speaker 13: Well, they're not voicing a lot of enthusiasm, says congress

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Speaker 13: Member Richie Torres.

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Speaker 6: If the president declines to leave voluntarily, then he's going.

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Speaker 18: To be our nominee, and we.

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Speaker 9: Have to make the best of a complicated situation.

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Speaker 13: And Democrat Diana Presley.

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Speaker 14: There are.

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Speaker 11: Changes that people need to see to continue to.

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Speaker 13: Feel comfortable again. Not rousing support is that two groups

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Speaker 13: are giving stronger backing to Biden, the Hispanic Caucus Andy

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Speaker 13: Bike Hookers, whose member Greg Meeks says.

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Speaker 19: I just met with the Prime Minister New Zigeland and Australia,

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Speaker 19: so the whole democratic world, those of us who.

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Speaker 2: Share the same values. Joe Biden has led that and

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Speaker 2: brought us.

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Speaker 13: Together now that Chris Lackson is getting into American politics,

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Speaker 13: bind you, he said non Zi by that his aim

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Speaker 13: is to work with whoever winds up in the White House.

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Speaker 13: But this is another crunch day for Biden, who has

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Speaker 13: a lot on his plate this day and is well.

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Speaker 13: He is facing a full agenda here with a news

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Speaker 13: conference on Friday, his first in eight months, and.

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Speaker 3: He's got the seventy fifth anniversary of NATO to get through.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 13: World leaders will be making their own assessment of Biden's

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Speaker 13: strengths as he starts hosting this event in Washington. Biden

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Speaker 13: has become the strongest support of NATO since Bush Senior,

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Speaker 13: but the shadow of his dismal debate performances hanging over

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Speaker 13: this meeting as well. So the NATO events are likely

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Speaker 13: to delay a lot of open politicking here, and the

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Speaker 13: NATO gathering also will focus lightly on Ukraine. Biden condemning

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Speaker 13: today's Russian attack on that children's hospital k which he

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Speaker 13: calls a quote horrific reminder of Russia's brutality. The Russians

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Speaker 13: missile that went a Ryan hit the place are Ukraine's

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Speaker 13: president Zelenski will deliver a major speech in Washington on

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Speaker 13: the sidelines of the summit. Zelenski says thirty eight people

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Speaker 13: are killed in today's daylight Russian rocket attack, with four

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Speaker 13: children among the dead. The NATO summit is occurring not

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Speaker 13: only with Biden Democrats in disarray, but amid NATO concerns

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Speaker 13: about it possible Trump returns. Since Trump has shown little

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Speaker 13: interest in Ukraine or NATO, that is very much in

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Speaker 13: the mind of world readers as Ukraine seeks assurance of

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Speaker 13: continuing backing, even as US analytes are saying now Russia

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Speaker 13: is unlikely to take much more Ukrainian territory. This shocking

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Speaker 13: war has devastated parts of Ukraine, as we know, with

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Speaker 13: more Ukrainians killed and all the Allies who died in

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Speaker 13: either Vietnam or Afghanistan, and with Russian casualties now estimated

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Speaker 13: at around one hundred and twenty thousand killed and perhaps

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Speaker 13: one hundred and eighty thousand more wounded. Richard Arnold for

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Speaker 13: the Better Say of America I think you for your

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Speaker 13: timement is now nine minutes to seven. The text number

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Speaker 13: is ninety two to ninety two or small charge does apply.

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Speaker 13: Thank you so much for your feedback.

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Speaker 3: On the road user charges for farm vehicles, Mark says,

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Speaker 3: we have four diesel farm vehicles. We claim back all

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Speaker 3: to seven, still to come the biz on News talks

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Speaker 1: On the Mike, Costing Breakfast with Alveda Retirement Communities News.

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Speaker 3: Talks v it is six to seven. The Reserve Bank

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Speaker 3: is going to review the official cash rates today economists

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Speaker 3: agree cutters unlikely. Today they remain divided when the rate

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Speaker 3: might finally drop. The ocr has remained marooned on five

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Speaker 3: point five percent now for a year. Our high inflation

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Speaker 3: environment has been around for two and a half years.

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Speaker 3: Two and a half years. People talk about the perfect

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Speaker 3: storm of overstimulated demand, global production and logistics disrupt an

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Speaker 3: a profligate spending of the previous regime. So the problem

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Speaker 3: is why is inflation proving so sticky and that stickiness

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Speaker 3: is stretching businesses very thin. And I'm saying this all

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Speaker 3: the time. But survived till twenty five is our new

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Speaker 3: national model. So when will we get some relief because

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Speaker 3: we've done some very hard yards Nick toughly from the

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Speaker 3: ASB is with us right after the news, all.

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Speaker 1: The inns, all the outs, it's the fizz on the

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Speaker 1: Mike Husking breakfast on news Talk ZEB.

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Speaker 3: So after years at the top, Dyson is feeling the heat.

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Speaker 3: They've announced that more than a thousand jobs in the

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Speaker 3: UK are likely to go as part of a global restructure.

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Speaker 3: That's about twenty nine percent of their entire UK workforce.

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Speaker 3: They're doing it because they're getting fierce competition in global markets.

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Speaker 3: Well remember they moved to Singapore and twenty nineteen and

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Speaker 3: this was rumored to happen. It's still a big blow, though,

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Speaker 3: big blow as Sir James Dyson has seen as one

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Speaker 3: of the biggest British business players that the country can

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Speaker 3: lean on. It's worrying for the new government because it

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Speaker 3: continues the trend of companies and billionaires and millionaires leaving

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Speaker 3: the country. So James have been against the UK's economic

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Speaker 3: policies for a while now, so the question is will

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Speaker 3: they come back in The corporation tax last year increase

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Speaker 3: from nineteen to twenty five percent. Dyson itself, despite some

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Speaker 3: failed projects in recent years, is still very profitable. They

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Speaker 3: made enough that they were able to increase their research

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Speaker 3: and development spending by forty percent last year. But they

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Speaker 3: had a few expensive fails as well. They spent two

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Speaker 3: billion dollars trying to build an electric car in Hullivington.

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Speaker 3: They dropped that project when they realized it was too difficult.

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Speaker 3: If Dice is really in trouble, we just have to

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Speaker 3: get Mic back on the show and buy more vacuum cleaners,

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Speaker 3: do we not? Simple? Just like that, It's coming up

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Speaker 3: three minutes to seven. Nick Touughley from the ASB is

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Speaker 3: going to be joining us shortly on the os OCR

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Speaker 3: and Greg IPPs is going to join us as well

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Speaker 3: because now we can import slightly dirtier cars which could

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Speaker 3: make them slightly cheaper or will they be? And also

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Speaker 3: you can remotely inspect a house if you want Is

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Speaker 3: this a good idea? Will we be doing this? Yes?

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Speaker 3: We are more on that next day I hear on

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Speaker 20: Book didn't it half my fault?

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Speaker 3: But I just start to play the victim.

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Speaker 20: A drink our good hold till my friends come home

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Speaker 20: to Christmas and our prev snate of some thirdy may

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Speaker 20: not have did loose now your tire track in one.

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Speaker 2: Their shoe set up.

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Speaker 20: Don't have to have.

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Speaker 1: To setting the news agenda and digging into the issues.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Jaguar the

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Speaker 1: Art of Performance.

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Speaker 3: News talk said, b goodbrying to you. July the tenth

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Speaker 3: the OCR is announced today. Most economists agree it's likely

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Speaker 3: to hold. It's sitting at five point five percent. They

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Speaker 3: do remain divided though, about when they'll see a drop.

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Speaker 3: And that's what we want. Chief economist at the ASB

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Speaker 3: Bank is Nick Tuffy. Joins me. Now, Helen, Nick, good,

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Speaker 3: mind that OCR rate now has been stuck there for

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Speaker 3: a year. The fight against inflation has been going on

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Speaker 3: for two and a half years. This is becoming a

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Speaker 3: prolonged period of hardship. How long can it last? How

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Speaker 3: long do you think businesses can bear the headwinds.

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Speaker 2: Love.

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Speaker 17: I think people just need to hang in a little

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Speaker 17: bit longer. We do think there are some encouraging signs

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Speaker 17: you know, fairly soon and give the Reserve Bank the

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Speaker 3: Markets have been saying that they are expecting an easy

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Speaker 17: Well, that's that's right. At this meeting. We don't think

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Speaker 17: the Reserve Bank's going to be changing the ocr at all.

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Speaker 17: We expect the Reserve Bank's still going to be fairly

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Speaker 17: cautious as it's looking ahead, and what we're looking for

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Speaker 17: today is some signs that it's just starting to see

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Speaker 17: it's expecting. The challenge for a reserve bank, though, is

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Speaker 3: The other problem we have actually is the crystal ball

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Speaker 3: gazing and that we're not getting any analysis from the

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Speaker 3: Reserve Bank here we're just getting rate announcement.

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Speaker 17: Right, Well, this is correct. This is one of the

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Speaker 17: Fulsome has lots of detailed forecasts and this is just

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Speaker 17: It'll be a few paragraphs and then the details of

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Speaker 3: All right, So I'm just a tempering people's expectations. Should

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Speaker 3: we be surprised at how high inflation has remained for

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Speaker 3: so long?

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Speaker 17: We've had such when you look back at it with retrospects,

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Speaker 17: such an unusual period. It was the perfect storm for

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Speaker 17: inflation pressures. Just about any source you could have got

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Speaker 17: inflation from, you got it at the same time. And

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Speaker 17: look at has been persistent. It's probably been the surprise,

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Speaker 3: Now toughly, I thank you for your time today, and

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Speaker 3: Nick is the asb's chief economists and we will bring

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Speaker 3: you all the coverage of the OCIA announcement as they

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Speaker 3: come to hand. It is now ten minutes after seven

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Speaker 3: zi be So the clean Car Importer standard is going

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Speaker 3: Australia's a Mission Standards plan, effectively creating one large car market.

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Speaker 3: I guess that gives you sort of, you know, an advantage.

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Speaker 3: DC two targets will be softened, meaning we can then

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Speaker 3: advocates worried that New Zealand will become a dumping ground

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Speaker 3: the chief executive of the Vehicle Import Association with me,

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Speaker 3: Greg Ebbs.

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Speaker 12: Hello, Greg, Morning Andrew. How's it going good?

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Speaker 3: Will this make cars cheaper?

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Speaker 12: It will slow them down from getting more expensive. They're

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Speaker 12: not really going to get cheaper. And to your point

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Speaker 12: of bringing in dirtier cars, we're still advancing the carbon

665
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Speaker 12: targets down, so we will still be bringing in cleaner cars.

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Speaker 12: We're just bringing them in a little bit slower than

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Speaker 12: we were going to.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well that was my next question. Will it make

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Speaker 3: it dirty?

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Speaker 12: But you don't believe so no, I mean we have

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Speaker 12: been progressing both ourselves. So I represent the used vehicle

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Speaker 12: important side of things, and then there's also the new

673
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Speaker 12: car side, and we've both been working towards these lower

674
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Speaker 12: targets and trying to achieve bring in cleaner cars. So

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Speaker 12: this has been happening. It's just that as you make

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Speaker 12: these targets harder and harder, the scope of the types

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Speaker 12: of vehicles that we can bring in, the range, the

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Speaker 12: quality in terms of condition, that starts to get bit

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Speaker 12: harder if we're going to keep them affordable. And so

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Speaker 12: what this has done is it's meant that we will

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Speaker 12: be able to still keep bringing in a good range

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Speaker 12: of vehicles at a good quality at a price that's

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Speaker 12: affordable for Kiwis.

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Speaker 3: Does it mean the will end out importing more ICEE vehicles,

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Speaker 3: more gas vehicles for longer rather than making some switch

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Speaker 3: to hybrids or electric Well, I think.

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Speaker 12: In the used car space, used import space, we're going

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Speaker 12: to see more hybrids coming through because hybrids are the

689
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Speaker 12: vehicles that are dominant in Japan. At the moment, we

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Speaker 12: get ninety five percent of our used vehicle imports coming

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Speaker 12: from Japan. So as Japan goes, so do we in

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Speaker 12: the used sector. The new car guys, they're all working

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Speaker 12: on their product lines. They're bringing out evs and hybrids

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Speaker 12: over the next five years or so. I don't think

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Speaker 12: there's anything that New Zealand could be doing that will

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Speaker 12: speed up the manufacturer of evs anywhere else in the world.

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Speaker 12: We take what is available and these settings are just

698
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Speaker 12: helping us make sure that we can make a sustainable

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Speaker 12: transition through to those eds.

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Speaker 3: And how we seeing demands for used cars really at

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Speaker 3: the moment? And I say this as a man who

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Speaker 3: owns a twenty nineteen Many that I'm trying to sell

703
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Speaker 3: that nobody wants to buy this thing. If you want

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Speaker 3: to buy my twenty nineteen Many, feel free to contact

705
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Speaker 3: me here at these storks. But is there a demand

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Speaker 3: for these used cars at the moment or are we

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Speaker 3: in a hole like a lot of the rest of

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Speaker 3: the economy.

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Speaker 12: Things have slowed down. Things have certainly slowed down. You know,

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Speaker 12: the new car sector has been seeing numbers drop our

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00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 12: used vehicles, the numbers have dropped from last year. I

712
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 12: think that's a product of just the very tight economy

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Speaker 12: at the moment. Your previous guests talking about the monetary

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Speaker 12: policy statements and the interest rates. Look, we're just all

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Speaker 12: trying to survive through until the end of this year.

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Speaker 12: I think when we're expecting interest rates to loosen up

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Speaker 12: a bit, and as they loosen up, it means that

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00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 12: people may feel a little bit more comfortable with going

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Speaker 12: out and getting that replacement vehicle rather than holding on

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Speaker 12: to the one they've got at the moment.

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Speaker 3: And you'll have more for them because of these rules.

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Speaker 3: And I thank you so much for your time and

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Speaker 3: your expertise. Greg Epps, who is the chief executive of

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Speaker 3: the important Boat of Vehicle Industry Association. Right SOALGP is

725
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Speaker 3: coming to Auckland, that's been announced. The question is where

726
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Speaker 3: are they going to sail on the White to Matta Harbor.

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Speaker 3: Because the reason they didn't go to Auckland in the

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Speaker 3: first place was that Winyard Wharf, which is the Silo park,

729
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: which used to have all of the oil tankers. There

730
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Speaker 3: was filthy ground. It hadn't be mitigated. And the council

731
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: said to Russell, I'm sorry, you're not putting food on

732
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Speaker 3: that ground. It's dirty. You're not putting people on that ground.

733
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Speaker 3: It's dirty. And Russell of course said why not. You

734
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Speaker 3: got shoes on. But anyway, so that's why it didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: My question is, obviously, has it been remediated? Do we

736
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Speaker 3: have a venue that offers the deep water right off

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Speaker 3: the coast. That's how gp needs will ask you.

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Speaker 9: It's not much of an adrenaline zone if you can't

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Speaker 9: see the boat.

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Speaker 3: That's right, They've got to be close. You need deep

741
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Speaker 3: water close to the coast. Have we got this? Nick

742
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Speaker 3: Hill from Auckland Unlimited is my very special guest. Just

743
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: after the seventh thirty news, the hosting racist will be

744
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: it is seven to seventeen. My producers has handed me

745
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Speaker 3: a press release. Property prices to climb further in June,

746
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 3: it's added trade me listings taking longer to sell. I've

747
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Speaker 3: had enough to pressing news already. I'll read that later

748
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Speaker 3: if you don't mind. Meanwhile, in euro the semifinal France

749
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 3: versus Spain has kicked off. What are we eight minutes

750
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: in so far? Eight nine minutes in? Guess what? No

751
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: more than that? Guess what? In the eighth minute France scored.

752
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Speaker 3: I wasn't picking that because Spain's the favorite as far

753
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Speaker 3: as I'm concerned. They've been playing beautiful football and the

754
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 3: eighth minute. France is now one nil up England versus

755
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: the Netherlands tomorrow seven eighteen. So as part of its

756
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Speaker 3: housing pushity government plan to make councils do building inspections

757
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Speaker 3: remotely has come about. Chris Pink says the building protest

758
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: it takes too long and this will make it easier

759
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Speaker 3: and cheaper, and so will it. We've got the director

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Speaker 3: of construction at David Reidholmes Cantery, Carl four days with

761
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Speaker 3: me on the program. Good morning to your Carl, Morning injury.

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Speaker 9: How are you very good.

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Speaker 3: Remote building inspections? Are they efficient?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: Well, remote building inspections have been tested boards in the

766
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 15: COVID times that was tested on site with certain inspections

767
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Speaker 15: and it did save time and that I think the

768
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Speaker 15: good thing is that we are looking at speeding up

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Speaker 15: the building process.

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Speaker 2: For us.

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Speaker 15: It's a look at the consenting process and resource management

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Speaker 15: would be where we can really save some time and costs.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. I mean we've had enough leaky homes, We've

774
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Speaker 3: had enough leaky apartment buildings to go well, you know

775
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Speaker 3: on the plans these look good. It was actually doing

776
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Speaker 3: the inspection that it did not find the flaws at

777
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Speaker 3: my be in that building, you know, So can we

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Speaker 3: keep up our standards if the inspections are done remotely,

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Speaker 3: because it's fair to say we're not giving up the

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Speaker 3: standards at the moment.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I'd say every process has its pros and cons.

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Speaker 15: The inspections remotely would take a lot of time to

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Speaker 15: go through and the inspector would be required to know

784
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Speaker 15: exactly what he's looking at for that inspection process. Another

785
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Speaker 15: way that's been done throughout the UK and Europe is

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Speaker 15: they actually accredit the builders or the engineers designers, and

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Speaker 15: they are accredited to the local council being able to

788
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Speaker 15: sign off on their own work.

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Speaker 3: And that's to find the cowboys and the dodgers exactly exactly.

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Speaker 15: It soon sits them out, and you know, the ones

791
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Speaker 15: that continually try to cut corners, they don't be around

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Speaker 15: for too long.

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Speaker 3: So you would insist Chris Pin that really he needs

794
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Speaker 3: to include that in the legislation when it's drafted up

795
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Speaker 3: and when all the rules and regulations are presented.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I think it'd be good if Chris came and

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Speaker 15: met US residential and commercial builders and actually went through

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Speaker 15: the processes. Is you know your master build federations, et cetera.

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Speaker 15: There's a lot of knowledge in these federations that people

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Speaker 15: could really contribute to the whole system where it works

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Speaker 15: for everybody in residential and commercial good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Carl Fordyce, I thank you for your time. Here is

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Speaker 3: the director of construction at David Reid Holmes in Canterbury,

804
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Speaker 3: and I'm sure he's going through a tough time, but

805
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Speaker 3: he's carrying on. At seven twenty one. Now that released

806
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Speaker 3: property prices decline in June, listings are taking longer to sell.

807
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Speaker 3: This is according to trade Meet. Property prices dropped one

808
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Speaker 3: point nine percent to eight hundred and forty one grand.

809
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Speaker 3: This is a low so far for twenty twenty four.

810
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Speaker 3: According to trade me, even with the easing of loan

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Speaker 3: to value ratios and brightline testing where yet to see

812
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Speaker 3: a significant impact on the market. I can tell you

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Speaker 3: that the loan to value changes are really actually exciting

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Speaker 3: those people selling apartments, but we'll wait to see if

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Speaker 3: that happens. Yeah, so we're down again one point nine percent,

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Speaker 2: Used talk ZIBB.

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Speaker 3: Tax tax back on the conversation menu. Labour's driving that conversation,

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Speaker 3: no kidding. At the end of this year they've got

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Speaker 3: for an agenda to regain the Treasury benches and after

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Speaker 3: the failure of the policy bonfire known as Chippy taxes

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Speaker 3: back and Barbara Edmonds, who is the new Finance spokesperson,

843
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Speaker 3: has already signaled that a healthy debate on a capital

844
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Speaker 3: gains tax will be on the table. But now they're

845
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Speaker 3: looking at another one. It's called inheritance tax because many

846
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Speaker 3: OECD countries have always had it, and islands just introduced it,

847
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Speaker 3: so it's an idea doujour. Firstly, why they wanted to

848
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Speaker 3: taxis taxes in the first place. The left's response is

849
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Speaker 3: to prevent the rich from getting richer, which is terrible bias.

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Speaker 3: The richer rich because they worked hard and if their

851
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Speaker 3: heirs inherited, it's their right. And then if their heirs

852
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Speaker 3: maintain that capital, they grow it. Again, it's due to

853
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: work and we all benefit, so that's not punished the workers,

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Speaker 3: even if they are rich.

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Speaker 8: Eh.

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Speaker 3: Economists though, argue that we need more capital to buy

857
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Speaker 3: more infrastructure, nurses, doctors, teachers and cops. So what are

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Speaker 3: what's then the Irish inheritance tax. Well, the first half

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Speaker 3: a million is exempt and so as a family home,

860
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Speaker 3: but after that you have to pay a third to

861
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Speaker 3: the state. Trusts are not exempt. It's supporters say it's fair,

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Speaker 3: but then again, a couple of weeks ago, the Irish

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Speaker 3: Coalition just proposed the first cut to the inheritance tax

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Speaker 3: for five years because his election coming up, because you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not popular. The big hurdle for the tax is

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Speaker 3: when you suddenly find a wad of cash, or granddad

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Speaker 3: suddenly croaks and leaves you his rolls, royce or farm

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Speaker 3: or whatever. Then you have to sell your inheritance to

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Speaker 3: find the cash to pay the state, which destroys the

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Speaker 3: inheritance and the emotion connected to it. And then, in

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Speaker 3: a cruel irony, some richer guy buys your inheritance off

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Speaker 3: you and he it's richer. So much is based on valuations,

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Speaker 3: So much as abstract, and so much ignores the fact

874
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Speaker 3: that inheritances is actually trickled down, The money comes from

875
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: one generation to another. How many of us owe our

876
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: house to the windfall that came from the hard work

877
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 3: of a previous generation, So good luck labor. And here's atruism.

878
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: The real problem with introducing these taxes is the transition generation,

879
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: the generation who suddenly loses the benefits that previous generations

880
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: had and they get angry and then they don't vote

881
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: for you. Where are we going to do the sale? Gpa.

882
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: Nick Hill from at is joining us right after the News,

883
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 3: which is next here on News Talks. Heb how aren't

884
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 3: you I need you, old God, A.

885
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: Need for the.

886
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: Breakfast show you can trust? Andrew Dickens on the Mike

887
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, doing real estate differently

888
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy three Newstalks dB.

889
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: It's good to two. Welcome to the program for the

890
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 3: tenth of July. Onm Andrew Dickens in for Mike Hosking

891
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 3: and Mike is back on Monday. He is on holiday.

892
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: We've got the politicians coming up after eight o'clock. Cardinal

893
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 3: Steperloni standing in for Ginny because Ginny's on holiday. It's

894
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: a holiday time and still to come before eight o'clock.

895
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: Did you know that the planting of forestry in New

896
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: Zealand is quinting and we're getting some troubles with the

897
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: old biofuels. We'll look at that issue in depth in

898
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: a few moments time. It is twenty two to eight.

899
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: Cel GP is returning to Auckland. It's been confirmed that

900
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: the city will host the second event of the twenty

901
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: twenty five season in January. This comes after the christ

902
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: Church debacle and the withdrawal this year, but sale GP

903
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: is remaining in New Zealand and that's the good news.

904
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 3: But the big question is obviously how will Auckland cope.

905
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: So the CEO of Auckland Unlimited, Nick Hill, joins.

906
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 18: Me, good on it to you, Nick, morning, Andrew Congradua

907
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 18: went really well.

908
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 3: Congratulations.

909
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 18: I look, I'm really excited.

910
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: I think.

911
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 18: It's the right event for Auckland, and this time round

912
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 18: I think there's been a chance to get a lot

913
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 18: of things signed out, so it'll be fantastic.

914
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: I just noticed in all the all the releases that

915
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: I have that there's no mention of the actual specific

916
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 3: venue where we you'd be doing the racing. So where's

917
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: the racing going to happen?

918
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 18: It'll happen off when you're points just under the bridge

919
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 18: where sales GP always wanted it to happen. It's a

920
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 18: fantastic concept with a grandstand right next to the water

921
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 18: and with spectators really close like an F one. So

922
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 18: I think that's what they want to do. But it's

923
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 18: really over to them to explain the details of how

924
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 18: they work.

925
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: Okay, But of course the problem was that used to

926
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 3: be tank farm land, that used to be oil land,

927
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 3: that used to be poisoned land, and last year it

928
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: wasn't remediated, so they went to Littleton, So where's the

929
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 3: land safe safe?

930
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 18: Yeah, there are legal issues as well as dealing with

931
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 18: the remediation. All of that has been sorted, so we're

932
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 18: quite happy and confident that the event can proceed.

933
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: Did it get sorted because you know, you thought about

934
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: it more or is it just a process of time

935
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 3: because of the remediation, et cetera, et cetera.

936
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 18: And look at the process of time. Remember these things

937
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 18: were there for decades and you were looking to put

938
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 18: SALEGP in the middle of a process of shifting them

939
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 18: away and all of the legal, commercial environmental issues associated

940
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 18: with that, and you can't just stop those processes for

941
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 18: sale GP. But that's all been worked through and where

942
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 18: are we are? So we're very excited.

943
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course you right now. Of course, Russell Crowe

944
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: he's tricky. It's fair to say he's a tricky negotiator.

945
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: He's a tough negotiator. What we I want to know

946
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: is have you managed to get a long term contract

947
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: out of the man or are you there on apro?

948
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 18: No, we wouldn't be here if we hadn't signed an

949
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 18: agreement with them.

950
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: Yes, I know you've got an agreement, but is it

951
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 3: for more than one tournament?

952
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 18: Is it for one for one? One of this point?

953
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: So aren't you therefore there on apro? And if you

954
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: screw this one up, you might they might not come back.

955
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: What's the chances of a long term contract? Was the question?

956
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 18: Well, the same for them. I mean it could cost

957
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 18: both ways, and the center for both parties is to

958
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 18: make this really successful.

959
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: How could how could sell GP? How could you say

960
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: go away sal GP? What could they do wrong to

961
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: make them go?

962
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: Await?

963
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 3: They're boats and there's no mammals.

964
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 18: Well that's true, I would. I would. If it all works,

965
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 18: then that's fantastic. We would have them back. And I

966
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 18: you know no doubt that they would look at the

967
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 18: benefits of bringing the event to Auckland and how successful

968
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 18: did it.

969
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 3: They want to come to a good and Auckland wants

970
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: then we all want them. It's going to be a

971
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 3: great event. It's going to be a great event. What

972
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 3: are you going to do around the event to really

973
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: maximize the tourist revenue for the city and for all

974
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 3: the retailers.

975
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 18: Yeah, look, I'm glad you said that. I mean it's

976
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 18: worth probably more than five million and GDP and ten

977
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 18: thousand visited nights. But what we have been developing it

978
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 18: started this year last year, so i'd say is our

979
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 18: Mawana Festival, which is all focused on the harbor. It's

980
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 18: bringing together a lot of water based, harbor based events,

981
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 18: from business events to boat events, to industry boat shows

982
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 18: and so on. So this will be the start of

983
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 18: Mauana Festival. It follows on from the tennis. So the

984
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 18: tennis will have been the first couple of weeks of

985
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 18: the new year and then we'll go into this. So

986
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 18: I think someone is going to be fantastic this year.

987
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: Very good. Are you talking to cruise companies as well

988
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 3: just to maximize a number of people who might come

989
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: on a boat to see your boat?

990
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 18: Well, we always talk to the cruise companies, but their

991
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 18: schedules are set years and years in advance, so you

992
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 18: can't really sort of just tweak things in the short

993
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 18: run for that. But certainly we'll be keen to have

994
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 18: as many people out about enjoying the event and enjoying

995
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 18: the waterfront in Auckland and having a right time and

996
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 18: spending lots of money in those shops.

997
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: Good Nick, really looking forward to it. Good don you.

998
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: Congratulations Nick, He'll CEO of Orkandarn Limited. Russell Coots is

999
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: bringing back the sale GP. Thank you to the Texas

1000
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: who have informed that I said Russell Crowe was bringing

1001
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: back the sale GP. The reason Russell Crowe is in

1002
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 3: my mind is because of a controversy that fled about

1003
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: an hour ago when I was talking about the new

1004
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: Gladiator movie and I said, ex Mount Albert Grammar school boy,

1005
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: Russell Crowe.

1006
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 9: And then immediately five other different.

1007
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: There schools were mentioned. People said, no, Dickens, he's an

1008
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: Organ Grammar school boy, and others said, no, he's a

1009
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 3: Mount roscal Grammar school boy. And I started doubting myself

1010
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: briefly because remember I am sixty one years old, the

1011
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: same age as Russell Crowe and I was in the

1012
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: same class as Martin Crowe. And I'm pretty sure I

1013
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: never saw Rusty anywhere near Grammar when I was at Grammar,

1014
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: and I always thought he went to Mount Russell. I've

1015
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 3: checked it. He went to Grammar briefly after they came

1016
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: back from Australia, but then his family moved and then

1017
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 3: that's when he went west.

1018
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 9: I mean, and then these people in Australia who are listening, thinking,

1019
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 9: what are you talking about?

1020
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: True enough? True enough?

1021
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: As well?

1022
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 3: Should I talk about the G string? Do I have

1023
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: to talk about this G string?

1024
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 21: Oh?

1025
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 3: The producers who are also banning me from watching the

1026
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: Euro twenty four so that I don't get distracted. What's

1027
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: the score?

1028
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 9: It's still too un to spain, too.

1029
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 3: One to spain. Thank you well. I think I do

1030
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: have to mention the G string, just briefly, because I've

1031
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: got a point of view that might be different from others.

1032
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 2: The my costing breakfast.

1033
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 3: It's thirteen to eight. So as much as I am

1034
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 3: loathed to get into the great Tahlanaki G string debate,

1035
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: which has dominated water cooler talk for the past twenty

1036
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 3: four hours, I could have mentioned it in yesterday's show.

1037
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: I didn't, but anyway I thought as a contrarian that

1038
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: I thought I might come out and support the petition

1039
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: wanting them gone from the new plub with Aquatic Center.

1040
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 3: The reason I didn't talk about this twenty four hours

1041
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: ago is because you know it's prurient. I'll tell you how.

1042
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: Pre As soon as I said I'm going to talk

1043
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 3: about it, someone texted me and said, I hope when

1044
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 3: you mentioned the G string briefly you cover all the

1045
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 3: important bits. Bomb bomb It's quitquite a well constructed I thought,

1046
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: so that's why I read it. We've heard everyone sniggering

1047
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: and talking down their nose about Tara Nakki Prudes. I

1048
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 3: heard Josie Pegani on Heathers Show yesterday chanting free the bum,

1049
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: which is something I do not need to ever hear again,

1050
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 3: specially especially when Paddy Gower joined in. I've had my

1051
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 3: own family tell me who am I to tell a

1052
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: woman what to wear, and to sneer at me that

1053
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: I'm getting old and conservative in that I am supporting

1054
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 3: a G string band in a pool, So hear me out.

1055
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 3: I am not against g strings per se. I cannot

1056
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: see how that comfy though I can't see how they

1057
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: make a wearer feel secure and surf. I don't know

1058
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,479
Speaker 3: why you need to tan a bum. I can't see

1059
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 3: how you can say they don't sexualize a woman. But

1060
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 3: I'm not against the per se at the beach in summer,

1061
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 3: where you can choose how close or how far away

1062
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 3: you can be from the bottoms in question. And here's

1063
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: the rub, it's the environment. A pool is a confined space.

1064
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: I don't like pools. There are too many people in

1065
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: too small a space, all frolicking in a limited puddle

1066
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: of water. It feels dirty to me. Sorry, I find

1067
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 3: them very claustrophobic. The new Pimoth Aquatic Center I have

1068
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: looked at it has both indoor and outdoor pools. But

1069
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: I would suggest, if this story comes up now and

1070
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: you are attending an indoor swimming lesson on a winter's day,

1071
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: a g string wabbling pass would be distracting, no matter

1072
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: who you were, or how conservative or liberal you are

1073
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 3: or not, because it's right there. The pool in question

1074
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 3: has rules about how much cleavage you can show, So

1075
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: what's the difference between the rule for the top and

1076
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: a rule for the bottom. It's like wearing jandles to

1077
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 3: a restaurant or genes to an investiture. It's just a

1078
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: dress code which prescribes horses for courses. So add a pool, yes,

1079
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: skimpy athletic top, yes, budgie smugglers for men, they're acceptable.

1080
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: They're fine for a pool, but leave the g string

1081
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: for our special beach occasion. And by the way, that

1082
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 3: goes doubly for men.

1083
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: Andrew Diggers on them my costing breakfast with Jaguar News Talks,

1084
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: he'd be.

1085
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 3: Well, here we go. Data from the Ministry of Primary

1086
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: Industries has showed a sharp decline in New Zealand forest

1087
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: plantings in New Zealand, which is against a trend I

1088
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: would have thought this year we are planning to plant

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Speaker 3: twenty four percent less than we did last year. So

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Speaker 3: within the industry, some should I say, within the industry

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Speaker 3: are warning that this could result in a shortage of

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Speaker 3: buyo fuel in years to come. So the executive officer

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Speaker 3: of Bioenergy Association, Brian Cox, joins me right.

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Speaker 18: Now, Hello, Brian, good morning.

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Speaker 3: This is surprising because you know we've had so many

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Speaker 3: pro forestry programs through the decades.

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Speaker 22: Oh yes, but markets move up and down according to

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00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 22: how people see you. And so what we've got to

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Speaker 22: do is to recognize that planting the trees is an

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Speaker 22: opportunity and that we're not planting now, then in twenty

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Speaker 22: thirty years time, we won't have the biomass that we

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Speaker 22: need to make biofuels, and you know that's what we need.

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Speaker 3: Well, we know about the plantings for carbon credits, but

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00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 3: how much planting happens in New Zealand specifically for biofuel.

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00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 22: We don't actually plant specifically for biofuels. Is that we're

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Speaker 22: fortunate in that we grow trees so well, and we

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Speaker 22: grow so much that we're able to use the residues.

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Speaker 22: And it's the residues from harvesting or from wood processing

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00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 22: that we use, and that means that it's fully sustainable.

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00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 22: It's backed on to primary products, whether it's rogs or lumber,

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00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 22: and so we're using those residues to be able to

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Speaker 22: basically get one hundred percent of a tree able to

1113
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 22: be used either in the primary product or through the

1114
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 22: residues for energy.

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00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: Well, I know from my school biology is that Pinus radiata,

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00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 3: which is a common planting tree, grows like billio in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. So do we have the ability if we

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00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: do the planting, to actually make an awful lot of biofuel.

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00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 22: Yes we do, and the different species will be useful

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Speaker 22: in different categories. Currently we're using the residues from our

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Speaker 22: Finus radiot of plantations in shopping out coal for process

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00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 22: heat and potentially in the South Island. And that's just

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Speaker 22: been going gangbusters.

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Speaker 8: Is that.

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Speaker 22: People recognize that we can't use coal. Previous government also

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Speaker 22: brought in plans and restrictions on using coal, and so

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00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 22: the market has responded by using the residues which often

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00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 22: would be left in the forest law or not utilized,

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Speaker 22: treasured as waste rather than treated as a valuable product.

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Speaker 22: And what's going to go the future wealth exactly?

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00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, speaking of future wealth, I mean, can we

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00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: export this stuff and make money out offshore?

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00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 2: Yes we can?

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Speaker 22: Is that you know we already do export some palettes,

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00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 22: not much, but there's a lot of the future products

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00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 22: like what we call a black palette, and that is

1137
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 22: a very hard palate and that's used for power stations

1138
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 22: like it Huntley, and so we can replace the coal

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00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 22: that goes into Huntley by a black palette and that's

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Speaker 22: in great demand. Esprecially up through Asia that we can

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Speaker 22: use there. But also you know, we as a country

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Speaker 22: with our space and ability to grow trees, when we've

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00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 22: got other countries like Singapore and Asia, they don't have

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00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 22: the space, they don't have the speed of growing these

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Speaker 22: the way we can. So we can do that and

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00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 22: so either for export or for domestic use.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Brian Cox, who is from the Bio Energy Association,

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Speaker 3: he is the executive officer. Thank you so much for

1149
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: your expertise. So get out there and start planting some forests.

1150
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Speaker 3: It's got a double bang. Okay, we got the politicians

1151
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 3: on the way. Uh, Jinny Anderson's on holiday, so it's

1152
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 3: Carmel Czipoloni and also Mark Mitchell. We're going to talk

1153
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 3: about Darlene Tanner obviously, we're going to talk about all

1154
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: that money that labor wasted on light rail or did

1155
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 3: they or where's all the plans gone, you know, and

1156
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 3: what's going to happen to the property and the tolling

1157
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 3: of the roads of national significance and all sorts of things.

1158
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Speaker 3: And we're going to have some fun with me. I'm

1159
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: Andrew Dickinson for Mike Hosking. He's back on Monday News

1160
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 3: and Supporters.

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Speaker 2: Next, maybe are you down what may us fold? Opinions?

1162
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: Andrew Dickens on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with.

1163
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: Veda Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News Talk, sa'd be.

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Speaker 3: It's a very quite intrugling.

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Speaker 15: You.

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Speaker 3: Those are Germans Wednesday. So whereas giving you some new music,

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Speaker 3: The new music comes from the band called Imagine Dragons.

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00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 3: I don't have to Imagine Dragons. I watched House and

1169
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: Dragons on the Telly yesterday. Fantastic two dragons going at

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Speaker 3: each other that episode.

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Speaker 19: Yet very good.

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Speaker 3: Imagine Dragons seventh album, last album album, Yeah, I know

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00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: because they were Imagine Dragons are not famous for a

1174
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: long time before they suddenly became famous. Last album was

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00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, so it's two years later. They've

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Speaker 3: got some Swedish collaborators who are hilariously called Mattman and Robin.

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Speaker 18: Cha.

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Speaker 3: Short and sweet, lots of two minute songs. Do you

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Speaker 3: know the total lenked of album? I think that's very important.

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Speaker 3: Mike Hoskins taught me that total length of album is

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Speaker 3: I think under forty minutes, which will make Mike's day.

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Speaker 3: And we wish some good Oh by the way, The

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01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 3: album is called loom LM, as in what you weave

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Speaker 3: with and also when you peer over someone's shoulder irritatingly

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01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: while they're trying to type looming away. It is eight

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01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 3: minutes after eight and it's time to welcome our politicians

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Speaker 3: to the stage. Mark Mitchell and Carmel Siper learning for

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Speaker 3: Politics within Day.

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Speaker 8: Hello, guys, good morning, morning morning Timel mor Ning.

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Speaker 3: Oh come on, that was that was a very.

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Speaker 21: Normal early morning deep voice.

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Speaker 3: That's her resting morning face, Camel, Camel, I'll let you

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01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 3: warm up. What do you think about Darlene Tana and

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01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 3: everything that happened over the last couple of days.

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Speaker 21: I think the general public would be pretty concerned. I

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Speaker 21: am for the Green Party. They've been through a lot recently.

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Speaker 21: They've made the right calls. I think Darlene should resign.

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Speaker 21: Uh and I can see why they can't allow her

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Speaker 21: back in the caucus.

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Speaker 3: Very good, Mark.

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Speaker 8: We're just this is a matter for the Green Party

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Speaker 8: and they are dealing with it and we're just going.

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Speaker 3: To live at the Well, that's not what the that's

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Speaker 3: not what the acting Prime Minister said yesterday. I mean

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Speaker 3: we had we had wednesdaynight and he went bad This

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Speaker 3: is a disgrace, This is despicable, This is an outrage

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Speaker 3: towards democracy. The woman's got to go, and you're going

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Speaker 3: on for the Greens.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: of course, the Deputy prod Minister bought legislation around the

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Speaker 8: walker jumping, so you know he's got a stake in

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Speaker 8: the ground on that. But no, it's quite Some of

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Speaker 8: the opposition is that it doesn't matter for the Greens

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Speaker 8: and they are sorting it out.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but mate, you know she's taking the pay and

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Speaker 3: that continues. We're cutting government spending, but we'll give them

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01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 3: money to Darlene Tarnott.

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Speaker 8: Look and if you are a presentative, if you are

1219
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 8: serving the people and you are taking the pay, then

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Speaker 8: you front up and you do the job.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So I'll go back to Carmel Camel. I think she's

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Speaker 3: lost a mandate. Her mandate was granted to her by

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Speaker 3: the Green Party because she was a list of MP.

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Speaker 3: Without a mandate, she's got nobody to represent. I believe

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Speaker 3: under electoral watch she should just go. It should just

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Speaker 3: be a trigger. And I believe that there needs to

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Speaker 3: be electoral law reform. How do you feel about the

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Speaker 3: possibility of changing the rules. So this doesn't become dependent

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Speaker 3: on Darline saying I will resign.

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Speaker 21: After all, I think she's just got to do the

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01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 21: right thing. There are rules in place, how we have

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 21: that Obviously that would be a matter for the Greens

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01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 21: to decide whether they wanted to instigate the leaders that

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Speaker 21: are there. And so you know, she's just going to

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Speaker 21: do the right thing and walk away.

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Speaker 3: But she was not going to do the right things.

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Speaker 3: She could have done the right thing one hundred and

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Speaker 3: fourteen days ago. She's not going to do that. She

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Speaker 3: believes in herself totally.

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Speaker 21: Well, less to see how things go. I think there's

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Speaker 21: a lot of public pressure on here at the moment,

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Speaker 21: and I think we know where the public sentiment is at,

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Speaker 21: and that generally is you need to step away.

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Speaker 8: I think Carmel's right. I think that kiwis inherently have

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01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 8: a very strong radar around a sense of what's right

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Speaker 8: and wrong in the public. I think he's speaking very clearly.

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Speaker 3: All right, then, Okay, let's go to Matt Doocy here

1249
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 3: has not read the abuse report? Why not?

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Speaker 2: Mark?

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Speaker 8: Well, from what I understand, it was a meeting that

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Speaker 8: he had in his electric with his constituents as the

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01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 8: local key, not in as minister a role, and that

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Speaker 8: he was quite simply asked to go that meeting to

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Speaker 8: listen and hear some of the stories some of the

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Speaker 8: background of people that are obviously been really heavily impacted

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Speaker 8: around their experience in state care.

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Speaker 3: For those who's not up with this, he revealed at

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Speaker 3: the meeting that he hadn't read the report from the

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Speaker 3: Royal Commission into Abuse in State Care, and he's had

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Speaker 3: it since November, So considering his job though, you would

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Speaker 3: have thought he should read it, don't you think or should.

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Speaker 19: Have read it?

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Speaker 21: Should I do think he should have read it. You know,

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Speaker 21: his portfolios are completely related to much of what has

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Speaker 21: happened in this inquiry, and he should have read it,

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Speaker 21: particularly given he's had it for so long. You know,

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Speaker 21: it's a hard slog when you're a minister. There are

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Speaker 21: a lot of reports put in front of you, but

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Speaker 21: you have to take them seriously, particularly a report like this.

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Speaker 8: I think without a doubt he's taken it very seriously.

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Speaker 8: I mean, that's why he's deeply passionate. He's been involved

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Speaker 8: in mental health delivery services for decades. He's on mental

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Speaker 8: Health minister, and and he does take this stuff very

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Speaker 8: very seriously. He's been getting regular updates for officials. They'll

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Speaker 8: be going over the report. The report will be released

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Speaker 8: I think the first week that we're back in Parliament,

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Speaker 8: the twenty fourth of July. But you know, but the

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Speaker 8: meeting that he attended, Andrew, it was one for just

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Speaker 8: as local constituents that just wanted to get in front

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Speaker 8: of them and just share their stories, which.

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Speaker 3: Well, come on, mark, every time a microphone is in

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Speaker 3: front of you, basically consider it a public megaphone to

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Speaker 3: the entire country. So it doesn't matter if he said

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Speaker 3: it just to his locals. It's been reported, yeah, but

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Speaker 3: it was a private meeting.

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Speaker 8: It wasn't in front of meetia or anything like that.

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Speaker 8: It was just a private constituent meeting normally. Well, all

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Speaker 8: of those meetings that he will never talk publicly about.

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Speaker 3: Those, well, the localists came out and said that they

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Speaker 3: were disappointed, so we can easily report that they were

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Speaker 3: in fact disappointed. And the other thing is, of course

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Speaker 3: Matt Doosey is one of the nine ministers who has

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Speaker 3: to make the recommendations based on the report. It came

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Speaker 3: out in November he's got the report. He's a Minister

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Speaker 3: of the Crown. It's sitting there. I know it's massive.

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Speaker 3: I know it's a hard read, but you would think.

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Speaker 8: Of not full conference has made. It's completely across what

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Speaker 8: needs to be done, what his role is as part

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Speaker 8: of those nine minutesters and making sure that we've got

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Speaker 8: the right response in place.

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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell and Carl Sepiloni. It's Politics Wednesday. It is

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Speaker 3: eight fourteen the Mike Hosking Breakfast Zip. It's eight seventeen.

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Speaker 3: I'm Andrew Dickens in for Mike Hosking. MIC's back on Monday,

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Speaker 3: Mics on holiday. We're doing Politics Wednesday with Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 3: and Carmel Sepalone. So, Carnel, we are now determined that

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Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty nine million dollars was spent over

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Speaker 3: six years on the failed Auckland light rail project. Of course,

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Speaker 3: the popular line is no tracks laid for two hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty nine million dollars. Can you defend that expenditure?

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Speaker 21: Oh? Look, these big infrastructure projects take a lot of planning.

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Speaker 21: In the costs to planning them is huge. I remember

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Speaker 21: someone telling you about the Waterview tunnel. It took seventeen

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Speaker 21: years to plan I think four years to actually build

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Speaker 21: in the amount of money that went in in the

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Speaker 21: planning stage was significant, and this was a matter of

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Speaker 21: you know, planning for a project that unfortunately didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: Why didn't it happen? Carmel Oh, Look, you.

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Speaker 21: Know, like there is disagreement, a lot of disagreement around

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Speaker 21: what infrastructure should be in place. There's no disagreement about

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Speaker 21: sex that we have an infrastructure deficit in this country

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Speaker 21: and that we do need to be focused on that

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Speaker 21: build and making sure that we've got the right mechanisms

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Speaker 21: in place so that people can get around, particularly in

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Speaker 21: places like Rusland. But this was a project that didn't

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Speaker 21: pan out.

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Speaker 3: Well, I did it fail because you had a plan

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Speaker 3: but Michael Wood thought he was a better planner and

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Speaker 3: decided to stick a light rail underground. Is that how

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Speaker 3: it failed.

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Speaker 21: I'm certainly not going to past dis versions on my

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Speaker 21: former colleague at all, but it certainly is something that

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Speaker 21: didn't work out. And these projects, even in the planning stage,

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Speaker 21: do take a lot of money when you're trying to

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Speaker 21: suss out a way forward and you have to pay

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Speaker 21: contractors and people to actually draw up those plans and

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Speaker 21: put their suggestions forward. There's a lot of money that

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Speaker 21: goes into that phase and this is one that day.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Mark, was this two hundred and twenty nine million

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Speaker 3: dollars wasted? I mean that some people from labor have

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Speaker 3: claimed that you canceled it and you've wasted the money.

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Speaker 3: Did you waste that money?

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Speaker 8: There's nothing to show for it, there's no there's nothing

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Speaker 8: that's been built. There's no asset for the people of

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Speaker 8: New Zealand. So yes, I'd say it's a big waste

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Speaker 8: of money. But look, we're focus. We've you know, Simeon

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Speaker 8: Brown has released our government policy statement around land transport

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Speaker 8: that includes seventeen roads of national significance. I know for

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Speaker 8: effect in my own electerate at the delivery of the

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Speaker 8: two boy to Wartworth has made a mess of difference

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Speaker 8: in people's lives, especially those living in Northland and north

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Speaker 8: of the city. So you know, we know that these

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Speaker 8: roads improved the quality of people's lives. We know that

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Speaker 8: makes it safer and we we've got a big program

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Speaker 8: and we're going to make a significant investment.

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Speaker 21: Who's got where the Aucklanders agree that, you know the

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Speaker 21: roads of national significance are going to make a huge

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Speaker 21: difference in their lives, very cognizant of the fact that

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Speaker 21: there are very little happening to actually ease the congestion

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Speaker 21: and do the work that needs to be done in Auckland.

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Speaker 21: I'm not sure this government does have a plan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's a lot.

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Speaker 3: If we're talking about roads, let's talk about the tolling

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Speaker 3: of the roads. I had to be in brown On

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Speaker 3: before and I got into trouble with some National supporters

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Speaker 3: because I said, you're against the roading and I didn't.

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Speaker 3: What I was saying to Simeon is why is it

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Speaker 3: taking so long getting these roads and national significance. Why

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Speaker 3: can't you confirm that they're going to be tolls. Why

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Speaker 3: are you not fast tracking them? Why are you saying

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Speaker 3: there will be no road lane for at least three years?

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Speaker 8: Mark Well, I think that as a general principle around

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Speaker 8: tolling of roads, we accept that that is a good

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Speaker 8: way to go. I support that, although my own li

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Speaker 8: trip is a road toll they are told. I just

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Speaker 8: think that in terms of feness, we should look at

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Speaker 8: the broader network. And your people are are at the

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Speaker 8: same thing. They're playing the toll. I think user pays

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Speaker 8: as we support that. We need to deliver world class,

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Speaker 8: world class running network. And yes, getting all consorted car

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Speaker 8: up was really important, but it's not just to Aukland.

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Speaker 8: The people in Northland deserve to have a world class

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Speaker 8: highway heading up there. It'll be a game changer for them.

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Speaker 8: Were committed to doing that and that's obviously our policy.

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Speaker 3: But when you campaign last year everywhere, well they're going

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Speaker 3: for new roads, but you're not going to get a

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Speaker 3: new road done or even started within this electoral cycle.

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Speaker 8: No, definitely, the AMAS get Road started this electoral cycle.

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Speaker 8: And you know there's a whole lot of measures that

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Speaker 8: both Sydney and Prow and Chris Bishop, the infrastructure ministers,

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Speaker 8: are working on to make sure that we speed up,

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Speaker 8: we get out.

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Speaker 3: You'll you'll be drawing out, You'll be right drawing up

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Speaker 3: some plans and some geotech and buying some property, just

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Speaker 3: like the Labor Lot did with the light rail.

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Speaker 8: Well, we're trying to One of the things that this

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Speaker 8: camp was about is getting to speeding a delivery and

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Speaker 8: people just need to see that. And I think Carmel

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Speaker 8: is right, is that when you're waiting seventeen years to

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Speaker 8: deliver projects. That's not acceptable, and I know that even

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Speaker 8: in my own electrons visiting a development up on Golf Harbor,

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Speaker 8: they used to have four spots that they consulted with.

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Speaker 8: Now there's a list of about twenty. We've become experts

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Speaker 8: that getting their own way with red type in compliance,

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Speaker 8: and obviously David Seymow is doing a lot of works

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Speaker 8: around that. But we need to speak things up.

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Speaker 3: Somebody's got their email line, turn it off immediately. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's quite a funny carmol. Last question, are you guys

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Speaker 3: seriously considering an inheritance tax? Do you want to get

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Speaker 3: back in or not.

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Speaker 21: We have not come up with any tax policy, Andrews,

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Speaker 21: So I'm certainly not going to speak to different types

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Speaker 21: of taxes, and I think it's important that the public

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Speaker 21: knows no decisions have been made around our tax policy.

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Speaker 21: We're certainly consulting with people out there the general public,

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Speaker 21: with experts about what any tax reforms could look like,

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Speaker 21: but we haven't landed on anything yet.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Mark, apparently, Well, the reason I'm talking about it

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Speaker 3: is that people are leaking about it. What do you

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Speaker 3: think about inheritance tax and capital gains tax? Apparently it

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Speaker 3: will be considered seriously at the next Labor conference of

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Speaker 3: the into the year.

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, obviously our text policy is a geared

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Speaker 8: towards putting more money back and the bit pockets of

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Speaker 8: key we especially when we're going through tough economic times

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Speaker 8: at the moment. But you know, I'll Labor talked to

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Speaker 8: the text policies. I've obviously going to have some pretty

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Speaker 8: decisions to time. I'm sure they'll be transparent with the

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Speaker 8: country as we sort of moved towards any Switz.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's he's justest avoiding actually taking a hard stand.

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Speaker 3: He did at the beginning of this interview, and he's

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Speaker 3: doing it again at the end. Mark good stuff, mate,

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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell, Calmeel Zippoloni. And that is politics Wednesday, And

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Speaker 3: it is eight twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on the My Costing Breakfast with Bailey's Real

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Speaker 1: Estate News Talks.

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Speaker 3: It be news talks, it be my bets Looking good,

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Speaker 3: Spain still leading to one in the first semi final,

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Speaker 3: Heuro twenty five minutes still to play. Why haven't we

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Speaker 3: been covering Copper America, by the way, because that's happen

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Speaker 3: at the same time, I should do that as well.

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Speaker 3: You know what, The very first thing I said this

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Speaker 3: morning when I walked into work round about three thirty five,

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Speaker 3: and Ryan's there, and Ryan's produces there and that's it.

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Speaker 3: And I walked in and I said, no, Glenn, I

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Speaker 3: think you were there, but you were in the studio.

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Speaker 3: I don't know whatever. I walked in and I said,

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Speaker 3: did she win? And they went no. And of course

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about l Lucian who lost in her quarterfinal.

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Speaker 3: That was the eighth game she had played in a row.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to win Wimbledon and you're in the

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Speaker 3: main drawer, you only get to play seven games. That's

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Speaker 3: a lot of games. She won the first set, and

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Speaker 3: then she sort of tailed off. She was tired. She

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Speaker 3: was very tired. And the reason I'm mentioning this is

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Speaker 3: a lot of people have said, why are we claiming

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Speaker 3: this woman? You know, she grew up in Switzerland. She

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Speaker 3: learned her tennis at the University of Texas. And I said, well,

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Speaker 3: because she was born in Tianu. She chooses to identify

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Speaker 3: as a Tiana in as a New Zealander. She loves

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. She comes back every week. She wants to

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Speaker 3: every year. She wants to be part of us, and

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Speaker 3: we want her to be part of us as well.

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Speaker 3: You got to say she's been uplifting.

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Speaker 1: Demanding the answers from the decision makers. Andrew Dickens on

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Speaker 1: the my casking Breakfast with Jaguar the Art of Performance

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Speaker 1: news tog.

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Speaker 3: Said, b yes, it's twenty three to ten. So I

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Speaker 3: was talking about Lucion and then across the news crunched

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Speaker 3: onto me. I'm new in this show, and I didn't

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Speaker 3: get the timing right. I just have been enjoying it.

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Speaker 3: I'll be enjoying the happiness that she brought to so

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Speaker 3: many people, particularly people in town. I know, but everyone went, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's great, she's good. Of course, not everybody is like that.

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Speaker 3: I've got Texters now to say, well, she switched her

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Speaker 3: allegiance to New Zealand so she could go to the

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Speaker 3: Olympics because she didn't get into the Swiss side. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I don't care. She seems like a

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Speaker 3: good old quie to me. And I enjoyed writing on

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Speaker 3: the coattails, and I enjoy having a good news story,

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Speaker 3: particularly in these days, and I will bring you more

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 1: It is twenty two to nine International Correspondence with Ends

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Speaker 1: and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: To Australia. We go and Steve Price joys we have

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Speaker 3: Steve good idea. Andrew so ALBERNIZI has appointed an an

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Speaker 3: envoy who apparently is anti Semitic.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, look, come in. I don't know whether this is

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Speaker 19: window dressing or just something to take attention away from

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Speaker 19: the fact that he's got an issue with that senator,

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Speaker 19: man of a payment who's crossed the floor and voted

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Speaker 19: against the government, voted with the Greens. But he made

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Speaker 19: this announcement yesterday, went to the Holocaust Museum in Sydney

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Speaker 19: and said that he would appoint a Jewish businesswoman who

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Speaker 19: would be his envoy to push the case of anti Semitism.

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Speaker 19: I don't know about you, Andrew, but we've had an

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Speaker 19: amazing rise in the number of anti Semitic incidents that

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Speaker 19: have taken place in this country since October seventh last year,

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Speaker 19: when Hamas attacked Israel. It's gone up seven hundred percent.

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Speaker 19: That's the measurement. And it's included everything from camp encampments

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Speaker 19: at our major university's street protests every weekend in major

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Speaker 19: capitals like Sydney and Melbourne shops being dored with the

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Speaker 19: anti Semitic graffiti, the whole box and dice. It's just

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Speaker 19: been horrendous. And so this envoy, she's going to travel

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Speaker 19: to a meeting of similar envoys. Apparently America has had

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Speaker 19: an anti Semitic envoy for some time. They've got a

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Speaker 19: conference taking place in the next couple of weeks and

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Speaker 19: then Jewish groups will be able to speak to her

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Speaker 19: when incidents occur. In my view, look, it's a gesture.

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Speaker 19: Will it mean that anything change, Will people stop the

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Speaker 19: rise of anti Semitism in this country?

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Speaker 22: I doubt it very much.

1513
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know about you. You're quite right. We

1514
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 3: haven't had a huge rise in anti Semitism, but we

1515
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 3: have certainly had all sorts of protests and you have

1516
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,879
Speaker 3: to wonder sometimes whether the protest is actually anti Semitic,

1517
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 3: or whether it's anti Israel, and whether there's a definition

1518
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 3: between the two, or whether we've done down this debate

1519
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 3: about the conflict between Palestine and Israel to such an

1520
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 3: extent that people have just taken very black and white sides, And.

1521
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 19: Particularly when you talk about the Australian Greens and some

1522
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 19: of the younger Australians at our universities. Most of those

1523
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 19: have now been checked out. But if the Prime Minister

1524
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 19: seriously wanted to do something about this problem, he'd call

1525
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 19: in the chancellors of those universities and so look, enough's enough.

1526
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 19: You can't let these people do this again.

1527
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 3: I think I commented on with you what on Monday

1528
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 3: about why are the Greens doing policies on Palestine? I mean,

1529
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 3: they're about the Greens and you agree, but there we go. Hey,

1530
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 3: Julia Nissane has come back and are there celebrations for

1531
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 3: the return of the prodigal sun?

1532
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 19: Well, speaking of the Greens, A Green councilor from the

1533
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 19: Melbourne City Council had this motion up before the Council

1534
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 19: last night that the City of Melbourne was going to

1535
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,839
Speaker 19: have a welcome Julian A Sanz, his family and support

1536
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 19: us to the town Hall for quote a civic reception

1537
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 19: to honor him at quote his time of choosing. The

1538
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 19: motion also called on the council to celebrate Asianz's freedom

1539
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 19: from arbitrary detention. I'm reading from their motion here to

1540
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 19: Lord Andrew his exceptional courage in championing the universal rights

1541
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 19: of freedom, opinion and expression and to reaffirm its support

1542
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 19: for whistleblowers. Well, that didn't get through the council last night.

1543
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 19: They're not going to have a sinic reception. After all,

1544
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 19: the amended motion without that included was carried including by

1545
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 19: the new Lord Mayor of Vocal Nick Greece. The Liberal

1546
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 19: Councilor Rashena Campbell voted against it. The councilor of the

1547
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 19: Green Councilor who put it up. She would not have

1548
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 19: had the numbers to have this reception. It would have

1549
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 19: been quite controversial. A lot of people don't consider Jillian

1550
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 19: Assange hero. A lot of them considered the acted against

1551
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 19: the interests of not only Australia but our major ally

1552
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 19: the United States. Interestingly, he's now been back I think

1553
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 19: I'm guessing here around about three weeks Andrew, but no

1554
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 19: one has heard a peep from him, not a word.

1555
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 19: What does that tell you?

1556
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 8: And it is that tually there might be a major

1557
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 8: media deal in play where a few dollars on the.

1558
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 21: End of it.

1559
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 3: He might be baggage tonight. He might be a bit tired.

1560
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 3: He might have gone a bit larla. After seven years

1561
01:18:58,920 --> 01:18:59,799
Speaker 3: in a room.

1562
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 22: He sitting down with his lawyer word is getting it paid.

1563
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. Absolutely, You meanwhile has a plan to

1564
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 3: can I just say the especially regarding anti Semitism is

1565
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 3: also is homophobia as well. So they've got two parts

1566
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 3: of their through their platform, their program.

1567
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 19: That was tacked on the end.

1568
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, now Alberanza has a plan to

1569
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 3: end domestic violence.

1570
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 19: Don't you have a problem when prime ministers come out

1571
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 19: and say things like my government, I have a plan

1572
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 19: to get my government to end domestic violence. Well, seriously,

1573
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 19: you're not going to do that, and it's impossible. I mean,

1574
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 19: we all loathe domestic violence. It's dreadful and the rate

1575
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 19: of it in our country is too far, too high.

1576
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 19: But you can't as a government end domestic violence. The

1577
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 19: Prime Minister was on some sort of rant yesterday. I mean,

1578
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,560
Speaker 19: this came after the envoy announcement and it's in the

1579
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 19: wake of one of the most horrific stories I've ever

1580
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 19: talked about in Sydney that happened at Leilah Park On's

1581
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 19: early Sunday morning, where the father of seven children, set

1582
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 19: far to his own house, tried to murder his wife

1583
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 19: and those seven children managed to kill three of them

1584
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 19: he's still in an induced comber in hospital in Sydney,

1585
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 19: the father and may not ever recover. He's going to

1586
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 19: be charged with murder if he is does recover, and

1587
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 19: Ed's rock the country. It's appalling what he tried to do,

1588
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 19: and it is clearly a case of domestic homicide. But

1589
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 19: you can't come out and make motherhood statements like we're

1590
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 19: going to end domestic violence. I mean, I'm old enough

1591
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 19: to remember when Bob Hawke, to former Labor Prome minister,

1592
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 19: came out and said no child will live in poverty

1593
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 19: under a government that I leave. Well, sorry, there's still

1594
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 19: kids in poverty today. You can't make those sort of

1595
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 19: statements anyway. The Prime Minister thinks that this is something

1596
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 19: that people will latch onto. I want to see actual

1597
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 19: direct action to limit the amount of domestic violence if possible,

1598
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 19: but it's a very hard task.

1599
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 3: Be good, so, Steve Price, I thank you so much.

1600
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 3: It is sixteen to nine. Like to apologize to Andrew

1601
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 3: who writes Andrew, there's been a huge writers and anti

1602
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,719
Speaker 3: Semitic behavior in New Zealand. Where have you been, and Andrew?

1603
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 3: Can I just take you back to what I said

1604
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 3: in that Sometimes because I've got young boys, and I've

1605
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 3: talked to them about the protests, and they talk about things,

1606
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 3: and I realize it's not anti Semitism, but it is

1607
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 3: anti Israel, and the two are different, but not to

1608
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 3: some players. In fact, most of the kids I've talked

1609
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 3: to you about this have absolutely no idea about what

1610
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 3: happens in the Jewish religion, which I believe is anti Semitic.

1611
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 3: H that you know what I mean. It's fifteen to nine,

1612
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 3: it's News Talks.

1613
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 2: The mic Hosking Breakfast right.

1614
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 3: The OCI is out later today. We will bring you

1615
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 3: that number. There will be little or no commentary from

1616
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank around that number. It will just be

1617
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 3: that number, so we'll have to second guess them, and

1618
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 3: that not expecting the number to go down. You know,

1619
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 3: the number is currently five point five percent. It's been

1620
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 3: at that level now for twelve months or six in

1621
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 3: a row, but that's still a year. It's been at

1622
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 3: five point five percent. We have been fighting high inflation

1623
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 3: now for two and a half years. It has been

1624
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 3: a long and hard road already, and the inflation is

1625
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 3: still sticky. We had Nick Tufnel on earlier today saying, well,

1626
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 3: there's a perfect storm. There's been a perfect storm for

1627
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 3: the past two and a half years, not just the government,

1628
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 3: but everything to make the inflation sticky. It's really starting

1629
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 3: to hurt. You'll hear headlines about homeowners forget the homeowners, businesses, businesses,

1630
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 3: people providing jobs, people paying you. It's hurting them. So

1631
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 3: let's hope we can unstick it. On another point, so

1632
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 3: I'm reading the paper yesterday and I see that the

1633
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 3: Public Service is confused about the rules about mildly language

1634
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 3: in the public service and whether they get rid of it.

1635
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: Of course, New Zealand first campaigned of stripping today the

1636
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 3: names from the public service. They had this awesome quote,

1637
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 3: it's not an attack on the Malordi language. It's an

1638
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 3: attack on the elite virtue signalers who hijacked language for

1639
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 3: their own socialist means magnificent. Great, but there we go.

1640
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 3: So as part of the coalition agreement, Nicola Willis sent

1641
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 3: out a memo and she said, stripping Maori from public

1642
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 3: service names and documents and all that sort of thing

1643
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 3: is up to each minister to assess case. Both cakes.

1644
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 3: But now the Public Service and the PSA, who are

1645
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 3: famous for taking everything literally and not feeling the vibe

1646
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 3: attacking the government's position as confusing, and yes it is,

1647
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 3: but who cares With all the challenges that this little

1648
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 3: country faces, all this virtue signaling from both sides is

1649
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 3: a massive waste of time and taxpayers dollars. We've got

1650
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 3: highly paid public service mandarins spending hours at their desk

1651
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 3: looking at their computer, pondering the problem with internal memos.

1652
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 3: Get back to work, sort stuff out. We've got the

1653
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 3: white tonguey Tribunal hearing packed full of high charging lawyers

1654
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 3: and academics and experts looking into the whole thing, with

1655
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 3: the chairman alleging the government is trying to exterminate to Ao.

1656
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 3: Get back to work and do real stuff. Honestly, if

1657
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 3: a language can be exterminated by changing the name of

1658
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 3: a public service, then the language must be so weak

1659
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 3: that it's on the verge of extinction, which it is

1660
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 3: not passed by a cafe yesterday it was a family

1661
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 3: there on school holidays. We're all talking to RAO. Some

1662
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 3: people say, I don't nobody's suggesting the name should to stick,

1663
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 3: should come in, should be official. Can we just get

1664
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 3: back to fixing this place and not get distracted about

1665
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:38,520
Speaker 3: what language we use doing it? Cevooplay ah Mercy.

1666
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:42,719
Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on the my casking breakfast with Alvida Retirement

1667
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: Communities us B.

1668
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 3: Yes, So Marcus sends me a Texas says, look at

1669
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 3: the footage of Koi Swarbrick scribbing from the river to

1670
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 3: the sea, and tell me that that's not anti Semitism. Ah, well,

1671
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 3: think about it. Is it anti Semitism? Is it anti Israel?

1672
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 3: Is it about territory or is it about the religion.

1673
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 3: I think Chloe has a clue about what happens in

1674
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 3: the Jewish religion, but she doesn't like the state of Israel.

1675
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm just putting it out there. I

1676
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 3: am certainly not anti Semitic, and I think we should

1677
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 3: do something fun.

1678
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: Trending now with chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy.

1679
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 2: All year round.

1680
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 3: And what is fun is taikaway Titty Though. We were

1681
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 3: talking about this this morning and we thought that he's

1682
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 3: becoming decreasingly so. But he's got Jamaine Clement and the

1683
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 3: two are back together. They've written a new TV show

1684
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 3: for Apple TV Plus called Time Bandits, which isn't that

1685
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 3: based off that Monty Python Guy's idea. Oh yeah, just

1686
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 3: too Terry Gilliam. It's about a boy joining a group

1687
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 3: of thieves traveling through error to error in search of treasure.

1688
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,560
Speaker 3: Terry Gilliam from Monty Python did the film of the

1689
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 3: same name back in nineteen forty one. Here's a clip.

1690
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 12: My wardrobe's moving.

1691
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 2: Oh hold on, how is he here?

1692
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 3: Who's going on? Who are you guys? We're the Time

1693
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 3: Bandits a crack team of expert thiefs.

1694
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 12: Nothing. It's too big for us to steal.

1695
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 3: Okay, now that we're close, maybe it is too big

1696
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 3: to steal.

1697
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 2: That math cannot and must not fall into the wrong hand.

1698
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 2: I shut it to think what happened? Bring me that map?

1699
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 2: That's it. I could create a universe of pure evil.

1700
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 2: It's evil therefore serious.

1701
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 3: Apparently I said forty one, nineteen forty one, I actually

1702
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 3: be a nineteen eighty one.

1703
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean Terry gilliams all, but he's not.

1704
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 3: Okay. The female voice as Lisa Kudro from Friends Fame

1705
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 3: Smelly Feet, Smelly feat Tiger's there in a variety of roles.

1706
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 3: Of course, Jamaine Clement plays the devil. Now, Jermaine Clement.

1707
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 9: You mean Smelly Cat obviously not Smelly Feet.

1708
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 3: Damn it, I got that wrong too. Was that in

1709
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 3: nineteen forty one or nineteen eighty one?

1710
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, sometime around there.

1711
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 3: Am I am? I almost off? Yes, I am. Yeah,

1712
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 3: Jermaine clemt playing the devil. Have you knows how Jamaine

1713
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 3: Clemant always plays the bad guys because he's so good

1714
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 3: of it. He was the crab in Mowana, was he not?

1715
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 3: And in the Will Smith you know, not the Back

1716
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 3: to the Future thing, the whole met in Black. He

1717
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 3: was a bad guy in that one as well. But

1718
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 3: he's a bad guy in this. It's called Time Bandits.

1719
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 3: The first two episodes dropped tullly I twenty fourth on

1720
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 3: April on Apple TV Plus, and then two episodes will

1721
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 3: be released weekly after that. I can't believe I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: Smelly Feet.

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Speaker 16: Did you watch that weird TV show about the guy

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Speaker 16: who sort of disappears into his own mind called legiond Legion.

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Speaker 3: The Legion or Legend Legion Legion.

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I didn't, but are you suggesting it?

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Speaker 9: Look, Jermaine Clement was in that too, and he's also

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Speaker 9: the bad guy in that as well.

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Speaker 3: I thought you were suggesting that. I've been disappearing into

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Speaker 3: my own mind and randomly pulling updates that have absolutely

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with anything at all. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: I'm gone and back again tomorrow. Thank you to Glenn,

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Speaker 3: Thank you to Sam. Mike is back on Monday. My

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Speaker 3: name is Andrew Dickens. And this, of course this News

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Speaker 3: Talks Be News is next. Oh, Herbie Hancock later in

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Speaker 3: the week, Herbie Hancock tomorrow.

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Speaker 9: And you were right about Spain. So you know you've

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Speaker 9: got that six day one.

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Speaker 3: They're the best man.

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Speaker 15: Yourself.

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