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Speaker 1: Now there seems to be quite a spat within the

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Speaker 1: Maori Party. The leader of the Treaty Bill protest Eruk Kapakini,

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Speaker 1: has cut ties with the Marti Party. He's also the

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Speaker 1: son of one of the Maori Party's MP's who was

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Speaker 1: recently stripped of her role as whip. Former Labour MP

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Speaker 1: Mecha fights that he ran for the Maori Party last election.

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Speaker 1: Himecher do you order hear that? Do you think that

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Speaker 1: if we look at this, we look at the fact

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Speaker 1: that his mum was stripped of the party's chief whip role,

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Speaker 1: the fact that you've had Takuza Ferris, you know, doubling down,

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Speaker 1: tripling down on his position, refusing to remove videos. Does

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Speaker 1: it look to you like there's something going on here?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's something something in the water down there, that's

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Speaker 2: for sure. Hither, I don't know quite because obviously, as

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Speaker 2: you know, I've been away from the party for every

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Speaker 2: year now and since these dynamic MPs have entered Parliament,

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Speaker 2: it's really been an area that I haven't had.

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Speaker 3: Much to do with him basically, but supporting from afar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think is the worst case scenario here?

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of dynamics that play as you No, Heather,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've just sense said it yourself.

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Speaker 3: There's some family ties there.

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Speaker 2: There's also the dynamics of any political party is here

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Speaker 2: gearing up for next year's general election. You've got relationships,

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Speaker 2: you've got copappa, you've got new movements. So you know,

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Speaker 2: without either you or I've been in the thick of things,

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Speaker 2: you know, we can just purely speculate. It's unfortunate because

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Speaker 2: I have such a lot of respect for Edu what

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Speaker 2: he's done. I have a huge respect for his mother,

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Speaker 2: and I have a huge respect to those colleagues in

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Speaker 2: the Marti Party.

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Speaker 3: It's not an easy time.

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Speaker 1: One of Edu's complaints is that the decision seemed to

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Speaker 1: come from John Tomerhera, the co leaders, and Rahwadi White

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Speaker 1: is his wife, who's obviously John Tomerhera's daughter. That's pretty

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Speaker 1: much how a party runs though, from the top down,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, everyone has it's like my own campaign, the

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Speaker 2: whole whole family involved in it, because who else is

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Speaker 2: going to back you up but your own. So it

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Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me with the names that you have mentioned,

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Speaker 2: because they were all there when I crossed the floor.

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Speaker 2: And they were very welcoming to me, and I've got

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Speaker 2: no complaints on either the one.

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Speaker 1: But they are also the ones running the show right

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Speaker 1: in any party that is any good at the way

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Speaker 1: that we run politics is generally run from the center.

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Speaker 3: One.

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Speaker 2: It happened in Labor, with your president, with your with

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Speaker 2: your party leaders. You're in a circle. You're sort of

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Speaker 2: capting it or your kitchen table lot. So you learn

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Speaker 2: it very fast. As an MP of an electorate, particularly

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Speaker 2: a Madi electriate, or you need it or you must

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Speaker 2: do is represent those that put their faith in you

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Speaker 2: to go to Parliament and do better for them.

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Speaker 3: And I know that each of those Marti MPs with

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Speaker 3: Spartan Maori do that on the daily Mecca. Thanks very much.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate having a chat to you about there's

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Speaker 1: mega fight today. Former Labor MP and also former Maori

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Speaker 1: Party candidate Chris Hopkins has been asked about this.

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Speaker 4: Before the next election, we'll set out which parties we

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Speaker 4: can and can't work with them. We'll do that closer

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Speaker 4: to the I think to party Mary have got some

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Speaker 4: internal issues of their own to work through before we

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Speaker 4: could have that conversation with them. They look like they're

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Speaker 4: quite a long way away from being ready to play

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Speaker 4: a constructive role in any future government.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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