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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather duper Cy Ellen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 2: to coverage like no one else news talks.

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Speaker 1: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. Kmart has

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Speaker 3: now canceled that sand recall. So the question, of course

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Speaker 3: was there no best as best oss in it? After all,

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk to MB about that in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand on whether the strike before Christmas will happen. And

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Speaker 3: Paul Bloxham, who once called us the rock star economy,

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Speaker 3: on whether we can be a rock star economy ever.

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Speaker 1: Again Heather duper Cy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So the OFTIM Book Awards have done a U turn

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Speaker 3: on their AI book covers drama. Now, if you haven't

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Speaker 3: followed this, it has honestly been the most stupid thing.

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Speaker 3: Two books were disqualified from being considered for the Ockhams.

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Speaker 3: The ocoms are by the way, the most prestigious book

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Speaker 3: awards in New Zealand, right and two of the books

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Speaker 3: were disqualified because their covers were made by AI. The

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Speaker 3: writing wasn't done by AI, the covers were made by AI,

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Speaker 3: and for that reason they're out the Ochoms of reverse

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Speaker 3: that decision then we are allowed back in this year. Now,

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Speaker 3: I cannot tell you whether the ocams plan to persist

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Speaker 3: with this rule, but I can suggest that they drop

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Speaker 3: it because it is a dumb rule. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: understand if the OCAMS take a stand on disqualifying AI

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Speaker 3: generated writing, because that is the thing that we're interested in, right,

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Speaker 3: We're interested in the best books written by humans. But

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Speaker 3: I do not understand the ban on AI generated covers

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Speaker 3: other than maybe the Okham's standing in solidarity with all

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Speaker 3: creatives and resisting AI. And that includes cover artists as

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Speaker 3: well as as authors. It's all creatives. But I don't

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Speaker 3: want that in the Okhams because I want the okams

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Speaker 3: to tell me which books are the best books to

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Speaker 3: I saw this one one one of the OCAMS awards.

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Speaker 3: Can I please have that? I want them to tell

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Speaker 3: me which are the best books to read this year,

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Speaker 3: not which are the best books that don't have AI

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Speaker 3: generated covers to read this year? I do not care

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Speaker 3: about the AI covers. And this feels just a little bit,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it like another case of us being weird about

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Speaker 3: AI because it's a I mean, this is a little

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Speaker 3: bit like that weird story that was one on one

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Speaker 3: News a couple of nights ago about whether or not

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Speaker 3: Who cares you should be using chat gpt for your admin.

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Speaker 3: Whether or not AI generates the book cover has no

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Speaker 3: is the only thing that I and many other buyers

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Speaker 3: of books actually care about. And do you remember the

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Speaker 3: saying never judge a book by its AI generated cover.

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Speaker 1: Hither duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two. Ninety two is the text number standard text

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Speaker 3: fees apply. And actually the opcoms are going to be

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Speaker 3: with us after five, so we can ask them whether

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Speaker 3: this rule is going to be dumped or not. Hey,

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Speaker 3: now listen, We're here to celebrate outstanding achievement by other

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Speaker 3: kiwis and here's one for you. Sky TV Sophie Maloney

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Speaker 3: has been named Chief Executive of the Year at the

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Speaker 3: Deloitque Top two hundred Awards last night. This year, Sky

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Speaker 3: has secured a multimillion dollar Rugby Write steal and acquired

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Speaker 3: TV three for a dollar and this week actually Sophie

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Speaker 3: five years. Let's talk to her high Sophie to hear that.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing very well? Thank you? I mean, listen,

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Speaker 3: park this year like you clearly have?

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Speaker 4: Oh, look I am you know we don't put in

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Speaker 4: I must say, to get the awards last night, because

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Speaker 5: But it's been built on a lot of hard work.

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Speaker 3: I text you earlier to say congrats, and you text

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Speaker 3: it's quite an achievement when you are in charge of them,

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Speaker 3: you know, a company in the media sector. I mean

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, we've been I mean of all, lots of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we certainly, We certainly are, and we're we're here

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Speaker 3: Totally and on a personal level. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: you were up against Miles Miles Hurel, who has just

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Speaker 6: So.

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Speaker 5: I mean we have we've delivered.

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Speaker 4: It's obviously not quite the same returns, but we've delivered

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Speaker 4: significant returns for our shareholders, and the dividend profile of

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Speaker 4: So we set out some targets in twenty three that

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Speaker 4: I do think that when you put out you put

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Speaker 3: What do you think it is that you do well?

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Speaker 4: I think in terms of me as a leader. Sky

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Speaker 4: to try and enable others to be their best selves,

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Speaker 4: and I'm I continue to learn all the time about

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Speaker 3: Do you believe I was thinking about this today and

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Speaker 4: It's all about and it's it's not just about people

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Speaker 5: But I am thrilled to celebrate the Skuy's story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Now, listen the rumors going around at

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Speaker 4: I think it's a great idea and I think Herald

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Speaker 3: And the news at six. What's going to change there?

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Speaker 4: For the time being, it's nothing's changing the team with

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Speaker 3: Fabulous?

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Speaker 7: Love it?

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Speaker 3: Are you taking a Christmas break?

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Speaker 4: I am?

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Speaker 5: We actually do you like cricket, Heather?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So my family and I are heading over to

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Speaker 3: Please tell me that you're going for the start, not

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Speaker 4: I'm definitely We're definitely going to be there from the beginning,

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Speaker 9: I love it.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing, amazing content. So I'm looking forward to that.

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Speaker 4: Spending a bit of time with family as well, which

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Speaker 4: Go on then, okay, neon the season two.

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Speaker 3: Stressful, Sophie. It's so stressful, don't you think like I

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Speaker 4: Well, I know that it's still just such amazing acting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for your family, because you will have sky go,

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Speaker 5: I think you're going to absolutely love it.

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Speaker 3: You've seen my viewing history. All right, Sophie, it's the

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Speaker 3: Try and fight that thing? Going to lose. Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 3: The Pentagon has blown up another drug boat in the Pacific,

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Speaker 3: so we'll have a chat to Jonathan Kurzley about that.

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Speaker 3: Weekend sport host High Piney. So we've got the FIFA

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Speaker 3: World Cup draw tomorrow, do we yes?

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Speaker 10: We do, yes. Forty eight team is going to be

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Speaker 3: The High Court decision of the Maori Party has just

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Speaker 3: John Thammerheady accuser of breaching the party's constitution. Now I

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Speaker 3: Just before five o'clock, Piney still got you here, so

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Speaker 3: can you please explain this? But still, what the hell

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Speaker 3: is this in your Spotify rap? It's high up too?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Is it number one? Nice?

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Speaker 10: Number three?

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Speaker 3: What happened? I?

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Speaker 10: They've only got one song over there and here they are. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: you just explain to me in what situation are you?

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Speaker 12: Like?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna put on right now? What

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 10: Most days models sad pony, I know, Okay, it does.

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Speaker 10: I don't know what it says about me? Probably not much.

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Speaker 10: That's some very nineties grand isn't it. Do you think

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Speaker 3: I'm still trying to explain how that man listens to

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Speaker 3: that is? Piney, do you want one hundred minutes a day?

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Speaker 6: Free?

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Speaker 3: No? Me neither? Okay, thank you? Piney? Off you go

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Speaker 1: Start your day entity. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 13: So given it's the time of the year, Lis, welcome

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Speaker 13: I saw you saying I've got a gift swap, and

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Speaker 6: I'm actually really confident in my exchange. Now listen to this.

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Speaker 7: We sat down and we had on our left.

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Speaker 13: Stop eating dinner on your knee. It's not healthy. So

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Speaker 14: Looking at the wonderful face of Mike Hosking on top

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Speaker 1: Youth Talks Dead B.

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Speaker 3: Hither the Maori Party is the pooh that just won't flush.

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Speaker 3: Ye can't disagree with that? Hey, it turned out I

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Speaker 2: Little your first take on the news. It's early Ediship

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Speaker 6: The Paris Agreement.

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Speaker 3: The promises we made are they basically am the lou

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Speaker 6: Simon, what's climate change? Minister? Is Paris overh We just

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Speaker 15: About this now it's not Ryan, we're part of the

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Speaker 2: Doorg said, be.

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Speaker 3: All right, Keim, and is Sim've got Barry Sopa with us,

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Speaker 3: The US military chief has testified to lawmakers about the

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Speaker 3: controversial double strike on the suspected drug boat. Here's how

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Speaker 13: You have two individuals in clear distress with a destroyed

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Speaker 3: Here's the Republican response.

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Speaker 16: I saw two survivors trying to flip a vote loaded

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Speaker 3: The US military has blown up, of course, another boat overnight.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan will talk us through it shortly over. In Australia,

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Speaker 3: South Australian Opposition leader Vince Tarzi has resigned. He's the

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Speaker 17: I've got a young family at home I've been electric

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Speaker 3: Camera and finally, Missouri lawmakers are depending on a nineties

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Speaker 3: They're leaning on the air Bud rule. This is to

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Speaker 12: Hey, no rules to the dark fat play basketball.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no law that says Missouri lawmakers can redraw

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Speaker 2: Cyber International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Cursley, US Correspondence. But that's allo, Jonathan, Hello.

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Speaker 11: Heather, Happy Friday to all of your listeners. As we

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Speaker 3: Of cannot come soon enough, Jonathan, it's pretty all of

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: I mean so, some would argue they're carrying on with

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Speaker 11: mission objective, and that is to try and stop drug

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Speaker 11: trafficking into the United States of America, the Pentagon announcing

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Speaker 11: earlier today, yes another boat has been struck, and yes

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Speaker 11: four more people have been killed. But still the questions

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Speaker 11: remain over what happened on this September two strike, the

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Speaker 11: first when there were survivors reportedly seen clinging to the vessel,

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Speaker 11: and then the second strike order that killed them. We

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Speaker 11: saw Admiral Frank Brady. Bradley was up at Capitol Hill today.

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Speaker 11: He was giving closed door briefings to members of Congress,

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Speaker 11: senior members of Congress about what took place, and so

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Speaker 11: some of the feedback from that is there was a

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Speaker 11: Democratic Congressman who said he'd never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 11: So there are still plenty of questions over exactly who

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Speaker 11: ordered what on that day. We've heard the Defense Secretary's

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Speaker 11: defense in this case that he wasn't there for the

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Speaker 11: second strike, but he stands by the Pentagon. But there

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Speaker 11: are still plenty of questions swirling and plenty of demands

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Speaker 11: for our Yet the Pentagon, the Department of War as

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Speaker 11: it is now called here, is carrying on with the

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Speaker 11: mission as it sees fit, and that is that it

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Speaker 11: wants to stop these Venezuelan boats from getting towards the

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Speaker 11: United States of America.

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Speaker 3: Now, how is it that four years on from the

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Speaker 3: pipe bombing, they've arrested somebody who they think is related

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Speaker 3: to it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, this really is quite extraordinary. This has been a

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Speaker 11: manhunt that's gone almost five years to the day. It

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Speaker 11: was January five, twenty twenty one, when a suspect dressed

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Speaker 11: in a hoodie and wearing some Nike Airmax sneakers, as

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Speaker 11: it always later revealed, planted pipe bombs outside the headquarters

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Speaker 11: of the Republican Democratic Parties in Washington, d C. On

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Speaker 11: the eve of the January sixth insurrection at the Capitol.

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Speaker 11: You're fast forward all of these years, and despite the

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Speaker 11: reward of five hundred thousand US dollars that have been

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Speaker 11: put forward and repeated please for help to try and

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Speaker 11: track down of this person, there's been nothing come forward.

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Speaker 11: And that was until today when we saw the FBI

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Speaker 11: and the Attorney General Panbody stand alongside each other and

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Speaker 11: announced that yes, they had arrested their suspect. They had

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Speaker 11: arrested thirty year old man who lived in Virginia with

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Speaker 11: his parents, and they have charged him with crimes that

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Speaker 11: carrier maximum combined of thirty years in prison. He will

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Speaker 11: front of court tomorrow. He worked at a bail bond company.

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Speaker 11: A little more detail has been released. There is not

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Speaker 11: a clear idea yet on his motive, despite the fact

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Speaker 11: that it was political targets that were very much in

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Speaker 11: his frame, nor was there much detail on how they

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Speaker 11: actually got to the information leading to this arrest. Today

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Speaker 11: they simply said there was no new tips, there was

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Speaker 11: no new information that came forward. It was just good,

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Speaker 11: diligent police work.

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Speaker 1: And prosecutorial work.

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Speaker 11: So hopefully the court here tomorrow gleans a little bit

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Speaker 11: more answers as to how the FBI managed to get

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Speaker 11: one of America's most.

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Speaker 3: Wanted brilliant Thanks for running us through a Jonathan, look

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Speaker 3: after yourself and enjoy the fist of season, Jonathan Kursley,

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Speaker 3: our US correspondence nineteen away from five. Okay, So Sunny

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Speaker 3: Kocial Lord Sonny Coocil, Sonnykocial is costing a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: Barry talked about this yesterday. Sonny kochelinnes Morning Tea, which

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Speaker 3: was you know thirty two three thousand, two thirty two

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars three thousand and two hundred Morning Tea the

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Speaker 3: Justice Minister. Paul Goldsmith's now being asked about it, and look, he,

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Speaker 3: like most of us, thinks that's a little bit pricey.

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Speaker 1: They clearly overcated and that was pretty bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty bad, but not bad enough to

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Speaker 3: do anything about it.

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Speaker 16: They overcated, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 13: And I mean, if you're suggesting that I should sack

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Speaker 13: him over that, well, I think that's probably a bit

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Speaker 13: of an overreaction.

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Speaker 6: I think they probably had too many SCons.

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Speaker 3: No, but what I would do if I was Goldie

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Speaker 3: is go listen, mate, this is now the second time

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Speaker 3: that I'm having to deal with the money that you're

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Speaker 3: spending on yourself, Sonny and on your KI, and if

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Speaker 3: you could just maybe, like you know, spend a bit less,

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Speaker 3: that would be really handy. That would be I think

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Speaker 3: that's a conversation Paul needs to have. Can I say,

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Speaker 3: though I saw Goldie last night, I was at a

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Speaker 3: That's why I was in Wellington. I was out a thing, right,

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Speaker 3: it was black tie, so I looked great, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Nobody commented on but I thought I thought that looked great.

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Speaker 3: But you have to if you're stepping out the door

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Speaker 3: for something like you have to think you look great.

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Speaker 3: They were gold. He thought he looked great. He did,

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Speaker 3: and he did he objectively looked fantastic because what he

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Speaker 3: did is, I mean, this is a classy man. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you realized. He had on his black tie, right,

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Speaker 3: so he had the dinner jacket, he had the dinner ship.

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Speaker 3: But then what he did was he did he took

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Speaker 3: the bow tie off, so he was open necking it,

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Speaker 3: which is a little bit like, hmm, a bit risque,

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Speaker 3: you know, showing a little bit of a little bit

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Speaker 3: of you clavicle when you're supposed to be wearing the

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Speaker 3: old bow tie. But then he decided to even root

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Speaker 3: it up a bit more. And what he had was

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Speaker 3: a white scarf. I think it was all like it

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Speaker 3: was like a linen scarf, and he wrapped the linen

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Speaker 3: scuff sort of. He draped it over his neck and

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Speaker 3: then he tucked it in into his jacket to follow

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Speaker 3: the lines of his jacket. And he just looked. He

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Speaker 3: just looked so good. And I said to him, you

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Speaker 3: look good, and you know what, he knew he looked

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Speaker 3: good because he was flouncing around the room. He was honest,

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Speaker 3: he was like, it was like one of the you

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Speaker 3: know when you see a baby goat and you're like,

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Speaker 3: look at that baby goat so happy, just sort of

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Speaker 3: like flounce around. He was flouncing around the room because

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Speaker 3: Goldie knew that he was looking very good last night.

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Speaker 3: And actually, can I say Nikola Willis was there. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's probably Chatham House rules and I shouldn't be talking

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Speaker 3: about this, but you know, when people look awesome, you

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Speaker 3: should talk about it. Nikola Willis is looking awesome. Have

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Speaker 3: you noticed it? That girl has dropped a lot of weight.

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Speaker 3: She's got some defined cheek bones going on. She was

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Speaker 3: looking sharp. Her husband was looking She's a room full

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Speaker 3: of beautiful people last night, actually many of them. Well,

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Speaker 3: the two i've named ministers. Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 3: All right, our thirteen away from five. Barry Soper, Senior

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Speaker 3: Political Correspondent is with us now High Barry afternoon. This

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Speaker 3: is pretty unusual, isn't it? The High Court ordering an

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Speaker 3: MP back into the pasty well.

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Speaker 9: Highly unusual. I can never remember it happening. I remember

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Speaker 9: Whinston Peter's had a fight with the National Party in

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Speaker 9: the early nine ordered back in no, he wasn't ordered back,

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Speaker 9: and I think it's probably unprecedented, but I know you're

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Speaker 9: going to have a legally expert on talking about that,

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Speaker 9: because I certainly in my time it hasn't happened. And this,

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Speaker 9: you know, this was a case significantly, I think against

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Speaker 9: John Tamahetty as the president of the party. I mean

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Speaker 9: he was the third respondent in this along with the

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Speaker 9: Council of the Maldi party and essentially the judge came

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Speaker 9: out saying that she has to be reinstated. They've also

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Speaker 9: applied for restraining orders until a hearing will be held

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Speaker 9: next year. That's a restraining order against John Tamahery acting

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Speaker 9: in his role as president of the party, restraining the

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Speaker 9: Council and executive including Tamerherry, from passing any resolution at

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Speaker 9: the AGM, which is I think this weekend.

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Speaker 3: So oh, that'll be Wacker jumping, won't it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, But yes, exactly, And you can imagine what it's

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Speaker 9: going to be like now for Maremento Kapakinghi in the

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Speaker 9: caucus because she will now be reinstated to the caucus.

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure what will happen to Takuta Ferers. It

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Speaker 9: may be that the leadership of the party will look

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Speaker 9: at him and say, well, has he offended any worse

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Speaker 9: than their view than Kappa King and restore him as well.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's an absolute unmitigated mess in the Maori Party,

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Speaker 9: and certainly from a party that doesn't deserve any part

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Speaker 9: of government in just a year's time.

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Speaker 3: So the restraint of mister Tamahadi from acting as the

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Speaker 3: part the Maori president is that acting in any capacity

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Speaker 3: as the president or just pertaining to her.

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure. The finding is a very large one.

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Speaker 9: I've sort of speed read it and I couldn't quite

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Speaker 9: find out whether that was in fact going to be

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Speaker 9: the case.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we'll have a bit of a reader, but we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk to Graham Edler about it after five o'clock. Lord,

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Speaker 3: have you come in with a bit of TDS again?

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Speaker 9: Well, have you no Trump derangement syndrome?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 9: I just think that you know, we all we it's

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Speaker 9: easy to put labels on people, and I know that

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Speaker 9: you've often accused me of suffering from Trump arrangement syndrome. Well,

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Speaker 9: I've got to say that I'm in pretty good company.

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Speaker 9: You have a listen to Prince Harry on the show

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Speaker 9: fronted by Jasinda Durn's mate Stephen Colbert.

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Speaker 17: But your Americans are obsessed with Christmas movies and you're

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Speaker 17: truly obsessed with royalty, so why not.

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Speaker 18: Hold on?

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Speaker 12: Hold on? Look, look, I wouldn't say we're obsessed with royalty.

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Speaker 6: Really, I heard you.

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Speaker 7: I heard you elected a king.

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Speaker 15: Point.

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Speaker 9: No, he's he's got a point, good, good point.

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Speaker 3: But you do Berry. That's so scripted, right, No, no, well, no,

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Speaker 3: Harry is reading his line.

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Speaker 9: No he wasn't. If you saw I watched him on

626
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Speaker 9: the show, he wasn't reading lines here that.

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Speaker 3: See the Germans shaking her head at you.

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Speaker 9: She's that whatever, Boomer, Go tell the German to go

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Speaker 9: and have a lock and listen to the language being

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Speaker 9: spoken and watch the mannerisms of the people in the studio.

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Speaker 6: It was not Darry.

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Speaker 3: Whatever brings you joy, That doesn't bring me.

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Speaker 9: Any joy at all. Because look the esteemed President Trump,

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Speaker 9: the work he's doing on ending the war in the Ukraine.

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Speaker 9: There's a leak telephone call. I don't know whether you've

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Speaker 9: seen that either. That was among European leaders, and Alexander Stubb,

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Speaker 9: the President of Finland, warned that Europe shouldn't leave Ukraine

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Speaker 9: and Vladimir alone with these guys. And that's referring to

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Speaker 9: Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner, Trump's son in law, and

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Speaker 9: the leak, the highly sensitive telephone call, the lavish praise

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Speaker 9: on Trump in the past, these leaders, but now they

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Speaker 9: seem to be heaping on him or ganging up on him.

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Speaker 9: So he's not as popular as some people might like

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Speaker 9: to make out. And even the man that called him Daddy,

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Speaker 9: the NATO Secretary General, he's expressed agreement with Stubb when

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Speaker 9: the latter suggested the US negotiating team couldn't be trusted. So,

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Speaker 9: you know, just putting it into perspective here, that's all

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Speaker 9: stops mining. I think President Trump is a wonderful man.

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Speaker 3: I said, Barry, whatever makes you happy? Now, Barry, you

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Speaker 3: have you reflected on the fact that if we had

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Speaker 3: made the right call ten years ago, we would have

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Speaker 3: a new flag. Well sixteen years into our new flag,

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Speaker 3: we wouldn't.

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Speaker 9: Even be talking about it were ten years on. Of course,

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Speaker 9: it was John Keyes's passion when he was Prime Minister

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Speaker 9: to get the Union jack off our flag. And I

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Speaker 9: think it's a word. It was a worthy fight and

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Speaker 9: it wasn't overwhelmingly opposed to fifty six percent in the

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Speaker 9: referendum voted. There was more than one point two million

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Speaker 9: people voted in the referendum, and so it was a

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Speaker 9: pretty close run thing. And I think you know, the

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Speaker 9: design that was Carl Lockwood's design, black and white with

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Speaker 9: a blue silver fern flag was chosen to go up

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Speaker 9: against our current Union jack flag and it missed out.

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Speaker 9: And the argument would be, and I think it's a

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Speaker 9: fairly good argument that we had four flags to choose

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Speaker 9: alternatives on against the one flag, and I think it

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Speaker 9: should have been one against one. And you may have

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Speaker 9: seen a different story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, perhaps so, Barry, thank you very much. We wrap

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Speaker 3: the political week that was with you later on just

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Speaker 3: after six Barri Sober, political senior political correspondent. It's seven

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Speaker 3: away from five hither. There were eighty people at that

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Speaker 3: morning tea event. That is thirty seven dollars fifty each.

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Speaker 3: That's not a drama. Well, look, you know what, actually

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Speaker 3: think about this, when was the last time you spent

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Speaker 3: close to forty dollars on your morning tea? Though? Like,

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Speaker 3: think about I mean that forty dollars for a breakfast

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Speaker 3: is a lot of money. Forty dollars for lunch is

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Speaker 3: a lot of money. Forty dollars for a dinner, it's

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Speaker 3: probably a little bit on the light side. Dollars for

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Speaker 3: a morning teas a lot. How many SCons are you eating?

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Speaker 3: And how many coffees are you having? If you have

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Speaker 3: two coffees, maybe we're talking ten dollars yere, then you

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Speaker 3: have a scone, I can bump you up to twenty. Right,

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Speaker 3: And there's a couple of strawberries thrown in there. Well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they're getting for thirty seven dollars

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Speaker 3: fifty it seems like a hell of a lot of money. Listen,

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Speaker 3: I've got a very very happy news for you. The

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Speaker 3: Faberget locket has been recovered from the man who swallowed it,

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Speaker 3: and I think you know what that means, and it's

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Speaker 3: worth pointing out it took a week, which you know,

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Speaker 3: in terms of like you know, fortitude, that is impressive

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Speaker 3: from him. Partridge is where it was nicked from. And

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Speaker 3: Partridge has said that the pendant is going to be

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Speaker 3: returned to Faberget, so you do not have to worry.

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Speaker 3: You are not ever going to end up in this

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Speaker 3: country buying a locket. That's been in someone's bum some

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Speaker 3: some other poor side and some other country is going

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Speaker 3: to walk into a shop and go, well, that's a

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Speaker 3: beautiful fat locket and then we none the wiser as

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Speaker 3: to what's gone on in New Zealand. Listen, just had

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Speaker 3: a very very quick read of this. This is the

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Speaker 3: the the judgment on the Marti party, and we're going

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Speaker 3: to talk about it next. It looks like the order

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Speaker 3: is basically put her back Maria menal Coupa King he's

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Speaker 3: back in the party, but there is no restraint on

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Speaker 3: the actions of John Tarmahead and there will be an

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Speaker 3: AGM on Sunday and she'll be able to attend the agm.

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Speaker 3: But as we said, so bizarre, so weird, so weird,

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Speaker 3: so different to previous judgments. So Graham Edgeler, who's all

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Speaker 3: over this kind of thing, we'll be able to talk

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Speaker 3: us through it when he's with us.

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Speaker 2: Next, Goose Dogs, the only drive show you can trust

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Speaker 2: to ask the questions, get the answers, find the fact

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Speaker 2: and give the analysis. Here the duplic Ellen Drive with

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Speaker 2: dog zib.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, The High Court has ruled that Maori Party

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Speaker 3: MP Maria men Or Kapa Kingi, the one who was ousted,

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Speaker 3: must now be reinstated as a member of the Maori Party.

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Speaker 3: This means you'll be able to attend this weekend's AGM,

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Speaker 3: where big decisions are expected to be made. Graham Edgeler

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Speaker 3: is a constitutional law expert and with us now, hi Graham,

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Speaker 3: Hello Jesus. Is unusual, isn't it.

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Speaker 16: A little?

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Speaker 14: Certainly courts have been involved in political party disputes before,

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Speaker 14: and it's not unusual for courts to sort of, well,

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Speaker 14: you know, well we're adding a two or three months

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Speaker 14: while we sought this thing up. Let's preserve the party's positions.

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Speaker 14: And that's kind of what they've done here. Doesn't always happen,

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Speaker 14: but it's not unknown.

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Speaker 3: Can you think of another occasion where where a court

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Speaker 3: has said an MP must be returned to the party.

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Speaker 14: Not to quite this extent, we've certainly had courts say

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Speaker 14: that parties can't do certain things like take final steps

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Speaker 14: to expel someone or you know, to get someone kicked

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Speaker 14: out of parliament. Often they might side with the party

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Speaker 14: at the end. But you remember the Donna at Huata

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Speaker 14: thing that had an interim order in place, whereas okay,

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Speaker 14: don't do anything, but our don't do anything in our

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Speaker 14: while we argue about this in courtant that's sort of

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Speaker 14: the position we're here. Ultimately, if the party Marty wants

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Speaker 14: to get rid of this person from their party, they'll

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Speaker 14: probably be able to do it, and the courts will

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Speaker 14: probably let them, but it might insist on them going

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Speaker 14: through certain processes and making sure that fairness and accuracy

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Speaker 14: and some and certain things like that. And so in

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Speaker 14: the interim they're saying, let's leave things the way they work.

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Speaker 14: You're still a member of the party. You can go

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Speaker 14: to the meeting, and you know, we can have a

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Speaker 14: bigger argument, the fuller argument in February.

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Speaker 3: And excuse okay, Now, the argument, as you say, is

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Speaker 3: set down for February and the court. So are they

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Speaker 3: able to if they really want to rekack her out

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Speaker 3: between now in February.

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Speaker 14: Probably not, but they could certainly take the decision that

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Speaker 14: decisions that they might need to take so that when

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Speaker 14: we get to February things can happen very quickly. So

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Speaker 14: the court has said this person is a member of

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Speaker 14: your party, and there's a court order, and so they

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Speaker 14: try and take steps, but sort of the earlier steps,

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Speaker 14: not the finalize you've finally kicked out, but some of

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Speaker 14: the earlier processes, you know, including you the HUI this weekend.

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Speaker 14: You know, those can go along and have the discussions

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Speaker 14: that might need to be had, but the ultimate decision

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Speaker 14: who you know, this person stays a member, this person

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Speaker 14: might be kicked out, will probably not be able to

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Speaker 14: happen before February now or a judgment after February.

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Speaker 3: Graham, I don't know how much you know about the

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Speaker 3: politics of the situation, So tell me if you don't.

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Speaker 3: But why does she want to be back in the party?

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Speaker 3: What is the what is the relevance of this? Is

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Speaker 3: this in order to be able to influence a decision

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Speaker 3: this weekend at the AGM about maybe kicking John talmahead out.

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Speaker 7: I don't.

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Speaker 14: That seems not to be the case. And so one

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Speaker 14: of the things that is part of the part of

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Speaker 14: the process in court was she sought for orders, you know,

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Speaker 14: four different orders stopping John Tummahea being being the prey president,

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Speaker 14: stopping her being kicked out under the under the Electoral

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Speaker 14: INTEGRITYCKE jumping law, and a couple of others to judge

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Speaker 14: only made one because in this particular case, Party Marti said,

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Speaker 14: we'll promise those two other ones and this this fourth

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Speaker 14: one doesn't need to happening. So Party Mary said, we're

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Speaker 14: not going to kick you out under the walker jumping.

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Speaker 14: And at this meeting that's coming up on Sunday, we're

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Speaker 14: only going to discuss the things that you that are in.

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Speaker 7: The in the agenda.

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Speaker 14: So here are the motions that are going to be

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Speaker 14: coming up this weekend. We promise you those are the

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Speaker 14: only ones, all right, and so you know you will

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Speaker 14: certainly be able to take part. And that my guess

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Speaker 14: would be that as part of the reason this this

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Speaker 14: has happened gives you know, sort of under the party's constitution,

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Speaker 14: you know, those sorts of things are supposed to happen.

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Speaker 14: Because this isn't just the MP, it's also her Electric

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Speaker 14: Committee who feel they've been sort of left out of

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Speaker 14: the process as well, and they have certain rights that

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Speaker 14: they need to protect. And so yes, yeah, I suspect

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Speaker 14: that the major reason.

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Speaker 3: Here, Graham, thank you so much. Appreciate it, mate, Graham.

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Speaker 3: Age the Constitutional Law Expert eleven Past five Ever Twist

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Speaker 3: and the Kmart asbestos recall came out has now canceled

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Speaker 3: the recall of its place that head tasted positive for asbistos.

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Speaker 3: It only covers three products, the Blue Green, Pink Magic

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Speaker 3: Sand that make your own sand Unicorn kit and the

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Speaker 3: sand castle buildings that remain under a caall. Ian Kaplan

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Speaker 3: is the product safety spokesperson for nb He Ian Hi

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Speaker 3: he the hey you doing very well? Thank you. So

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Speaker 3: does this mean that the recall was a mistake.

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Speaker 19: No, not at all. This is a recall in that

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Speaker 19: sense straight out of central casting. So what happens in

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Speaker 19: a recall, and just to be very clear, in the

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Speaker 19: products safety system, it is the supplier that does the

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Speaker 19: recall and it's a voluntary recall. So what happened here?

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Speaker 19: There've actually been eight separate recalls which have gone on

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Speaker 19: a nine if you count this kind of process way back,

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Speaker 19: it seems way back in early November came outter put

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Speaker 19: recalls out on a fourteen piece sand castle building set

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Speaker 19: and the blue Green and Pink Magic Sand. The reason

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Speaker 19: they put out a recall on the blue Green and

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Speaker 19: Pink Magic Sand was because tests done on the fourteen

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Speaker 19: piece set returns some positives. So out of the abundance

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Speaker 19: of caution and doing a responsible thing. They put recalls

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Speaker 19: out on all of those products. Now we understand from

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Speaker 19: Kmart that kmart has got test results back that suggests

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Speaker 19: that it's not necessary to proceed anymore with the recall

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Speaker 19: of those three particular colors of sense. So this is

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Speaker 19: a recall in that sense acting normally, my employers envy

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Speaker 19: if you like the mouthpiece of the recaller and put

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Speaker 19: that message out as they have done.

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Speaker 3: Your employer doesn't do any independent testing. You simply take

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Speaker 3: came out at its word.

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Speaker 19: We have been involved in the testing process, and we

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Speaker 19: have been concerned working together with a lot of other

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Speaker 19: agencies which have undergone testing, but so have a number

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Speaker 19: of other people and places. We don't have the testing

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Speaker 19: results from Kmar if you wanted the testing.

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Speaker 3: Results be a question for what I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to get to is that as a result

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Speaker 3: of this recall notice, there are ece centers that have

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Speaker 3: spent one of them told us three hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: decontaminating because they were worried that there was a beestos there.

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Speaker 3: So was the recall a mistake in that it is

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Speaker 3: because we're dealing with asbestos here that we have lift

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Speaker 3: people with these enormous bills and a complete freakout, and necessarily.

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Speaker 19: I quite understand how people feel. I quite understand that

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Speaker 19: it's educational centers, it's schools, it's kindy's, it's also households.

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Speaker 19: There are a number of products that have been recalled

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Speaker 19: by a number of different suppliers, which are listed on

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Speaker 19: the Product Safety website. The recalls have always been put

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Speaker 19: out on a precautionary basis, based on risks and attitudes

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Speaker 19: to risk taken by the individual manufacturers I should say

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Speaker 19: suppliers concern So this is how a recall works. People

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Speaker 19: put recalls out and they change over time, once a

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Speaker 19: position and the view on risk changes. Testing is continuing

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Speaker 19: at the moment, and so our agency and other agencies

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Speaker 19: are obviously looking at what's going on to see just

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Speaker 19: how big and what size the problem is.

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Speaker 3: But my agency, can I just finish.

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Speaker 19: My agency is responsible for putting out the message to

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Speaker 19: make sure that New Zealanders are aware of what the

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Speaker 19: recal is ands.

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Speaker 3: And I get that you are washing your hands of this,

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Speaker 3: but given that you.

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Speaker 19: Guys, sorry, now, I don't think that's a characterization that's

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Speaker 19: a tool fair or washing the hands. It's it's it's

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Speaker 19: really I think that remark is actually needing correction because

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Speaker 19: it reflects a fundamental misunderstanding with the profoundest respect of

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Speaker 19: what the recall system in this country is. Suppliers recall

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Speaker 19: goods when there's a concern. Suppliers are not expected to

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Speaker 19: bring goods into the country that can cause harm to customers.

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Speaker 19: That is something that has happened here. That is why

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Speaker 19: these suppliers have issued recalls amongst the other ones. And

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00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 19: the position has changed. We are told we rely on

877
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 19: Kmart for saying that.

878
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: I do stress.

879
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 19: If you want to ask Kmart for more details, may

880
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 19: I suggest you go to them?

881
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 3: Okay, Ian, thank you appreciate it. Ian Kaplan, MB product

882
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: safety spokesperson. Look, I think that I think obviously the recall,

883
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: if there is recours to be taken, it cannot be

884
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: taken against MB. It sounds like it needs to be

885
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: taken in against Kmart. Good luck with it. Sixteen past five. Listen,

886
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 3: you've got twenty six days left in this year, which

887
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: means that you have twenty six days left to buy

888
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: yourself a BYD and save yourself five thousand dollars on

889
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: that vehicle, because that's the deal right now. If you

890
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: buy any one of the BYD vehicles across the whole range,

891
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: you will get five thousand dollars back. Now, can I

892
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: recommend that if you're looking for like a coupe style

893
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: suv coop style suv, you know you want to check

894
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: out the c Lion seven. This is what I'm driving

895
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: at the moment. It is spacious. I have to admit

896
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: I normally drive a European suv and unfortunately with the

897
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: kids car seats in it, my knees are up against

898
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: the dashboard at the front, which is not ideal. But

899
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: in the BYDC Lion seven, I haven't got this problem.

900
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: I've got leg room even with the car seats in there.

901
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: You've got good boot space. And I am still loving

902
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: the cameras. It's kind of a tightfit down the old

903
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: drive at the moment, but there is no stress because

904
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: you've got the bird's eye view thing, so you're not

905
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: going to ding anything if you're just keeping an eye

906
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: on the cameras and if you care about how you look,

907
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: because of course you do. It's sleek, flowing lines and

908
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: aerodynamic profile give the BYDC Line seven a sporty, futuristic

909
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: look that will turn heads wherever you go. And I'm

910
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: going to tell you about the battery when I get

911
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: a chance. It's ultra safe. You get to like that.

912
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: But for now, if you want to get one, if

913
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 3: you want to get that five thousand dollars, that deal

914
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: of the five thousand dollars off the range, it's also

915
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: off the Sea Lion seven. So go to the website

916
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: more information terms and conditions at byd auto dot co

917
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 3: dot NZ. Heather do for Sea Allen twenty past five.

918
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: Now the Ockham says I was telling you at the

919
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: start of the program, has done a U turn on

920
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: the book drama. It's now going to allow the two

921
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: books with the AI generated covers to be considered for

922
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: the OCAM Book Awards. Nicola Legat is the Book Awards

923
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: Trust chair and is with us.

924
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 20: Now, Hi, yeahther, how are you?

925
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm well, thank you? So is this a one off

926
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Speaker 3: and you still have this no AI policy in place?

927
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Speaker 20: Yes, this is a one off for this year. We

928
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 20: felt really that the two authors involved, we're just paying

929
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 20: too high a price for a mistake that essentially originated

930
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 20: with their publisher and so over the last a little while,

931
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Speaker 20: we've been really reviewing that and consulting with the sector

932
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 20: and just felt that it was the right and magnanimous

933
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Speaker 20: thing to do. There is still no AI text allowed,

934
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Speaker 20: but this is not an indication really that it's going

935
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Speaker 20: to be open slab next time on AI and heither Off,

936
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Speaker 20: I could just sort of explain a little bit the

937
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 20: context around this. I think what the Awards is experiencing

938
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 20: this year is the very tough, almost bleeding edge that

939
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 20: the creative sector is experiencing with AI. It's incredibly fast moving,

940
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 20: incredibly complex. I was just reading today an article in

941
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Speaker 20: Billboard magazine an interview with the head of the Grammys,

942
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 20: and this year the Grammy changed its rules to disallow

943
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 20: AI generated music being entered, and the CEO of the

944
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 20: Grammys was saying that this whole AI issue is just

945
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 20: one of the most complex confrontational issues that he's ever faced.

946
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 20: And I think that's the that's the space we're in.

947
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 20: It's all around copyright and it's all about wanting to

948
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 20: celebrate human endeavor, and I think that's just a little

949
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 20: bit different to some of the AI issues and ar

950
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 20: adoption in business. In the business world, We all know

951
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 20: how absolutely wonderful AI can be, and how transformative it

952
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 20: can be, and how it can enhance productivity. Everyone knows that,

953
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 20: but in the creative sector things are just a little

954
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 20: bit different, and I think we are all over the

955
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 20: next little while working towards finding where a sweet spot

956
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 20: is that everyone can live with.

957
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: Great Nichola, thanks very much for talking to us, Nichola

958
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: Leggett our Book Awards Trust chair, got some goss for you,

959
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: stand by five twenty three.

960
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 2: The name you trust to get the answers you need,

961
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: it's Heather Dupa cl and drive with one New Zealand

962
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: coverage like no one else us.

963
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: Talk to be Yeah there, what's the difference between clip

964
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: art on a computer and AI designed book covers? Dave,

965
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 3: I don't I don't care. I don't care what the

966
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 3: book cover looks like. I just want to know if

967
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: the book inside is good. So yeah, I don't know.

968
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: I don't think they should be doing this anyway. Five

969
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: twenty five. So, if you've been following what's been going

970
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: on with the cricket, Scottie Stevenson has been forced to

971
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: apologize to Christ's College today for during the cricket coverage

972
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: referring to what he thought was some of their pupils

973
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Speaker 3: as syrupsuckers. Now this doesn't involve me. I didn't attend

974
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Speaker 3: the school, so I don't really have a view on

975
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: whether they should or should not be called this name.

976
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: But what I think is interesting as how this has

977
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 3: been handled. This comes up from time to time. Right

978
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: every few years someone moans that the Christ College boys

979
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: call the Christ Church Boys high pupils soggies, and then

980
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: they get called syrups. And the problem is both of

981
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: them apparently refer to lewd acts, although if you're honest,

982
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: probably both are urban missing. You'd be hard pressed to

983
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: find proof that the original thing ever actually happened. This

984
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: came up, And this is the interesting thing. This pointed

985
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: out to me that this came up in twenty twelve

986
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: and the head master of Christ College back then was

987
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: Simon Less, and he wrote to the local paper the Press,

988
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 3: basically telling everyone to calm down because, as he said,

989
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: these aggressive provocations have been going on for as long

990
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: as anyone can remember, and these mock aggressive provocations, by

991
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: the way, that pretend aggressive provocations will be going on

992
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: for as long as anyone can remember. And there is

993
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: none and I the school who takes the chance seriously.

994
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: Now fast forward from twenty to after twenty twenty five,

995
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: and the new head master is so upset that he's

996
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: writing to the BSA to complain about it, which has

997
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: led to the apology from Scotti Stevenson. Today, I mean

998
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: talk about the streisand effect. If the new head master

999
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: actually wanted to look after his school, he should have

1000
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: actually just let it go, not drawn attention to it.

1001
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: Because what he's done instead is he's drawn attention to it.

1002
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: Now we're all hitting the Google to try to find

1003
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: out what to find out what a syrupsucker is and

1004
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: what's going on at the school. This whole thing, I

1005
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 3: think just feels a little bit like an overreaction today.

1006
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 3: It's banter, It goes back years. It's probably an urban myth.

1007
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 3: They don't take it seriously, or at least they didn't

1008
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: until now. And if there's one thing that you can say,

1009
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: it's that times have changed between twenty twelve and twenty

1010
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: twenty five.

1011
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: Heather do for sel here's.

1012
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: The goss for you. By the way, sports huddle on

1013
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: that shortly, here's the goss for you. Sounds like you're

1014
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: going to watch Q and A this weekend because the

1015
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: goss I've heard is that Andy Coster, the former police commissioner,

1016
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 3: is on Q and A this weekend and when he's

1017
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 3: doing his Q and A interview, he apparently denies that

1018
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: he interfered with the emails going into Mark Mitchell's office,

1019
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 3: which was the big allegation. Remember, the allegation was Andy

1020
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: cost got them to send those emails, take the emails

1021
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 3: away from the minister minister and never saw them, went

1022
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: straight back to Police National headquarters. He says this didn't happen,

1023
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: He didn't do this. Now, if that's true true, it

1024
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: does rather add a little bit more fuel to the

1025
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: to the just I suppose that the wonder if this

1026
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: might be really the a plus plus plus plus plus

1027
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: plus scandal that has been whipped up to be. We

1028
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: will discuss on Monday on.

1029
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your

1030
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 2: car on your drive home. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive

1031
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: with one New Zealand had the power of satellite mobile

1032
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: news talks, they'd.

1033
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: Be Christmas.

1034
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 6: Christmas big Suitions Christmas se Right.

1035
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Speaker 3: Do you remember the guy who once coined us I

1036
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 3: mean you he's on the show every fortnight. But the

1037
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: guy who once coined the show, the rock Star the Economy,

1038
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: The rock Star Economy, Paul Bloxham, he is in the country.

1039
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: He's been touring the country for the last week and

1040
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: he's going to be us after six o'clock. I tell

1041
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: you what, I'm interested in asking him as well. I mean,

1042
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: he's he's very bullish for our economy next year, like

1043
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: he's really pumping for it. I want to know if

1044
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 3: we're going to do well enough to beat Australia and

1045
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 3: then also are we going to do well enough to

1046
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: ever be a rockstar economy again? So he'll be with

1047
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: us shortly hither. I think the point is this is

1048
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: Ree Scotti Stevenson. I think the point is that while

1049
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 3: an insult from a rival school is acceptable, an insult

1050
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: on national television by a prominent sport broadcaster is not. David,

1051
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: thank you. We'll talk to the sports tittle shortly twenty

1052
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: three away from Sex now, Heather, We've got another one

1053
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: of those local football derbies that's proving incredibly popular, Auckland

1054
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: f C against the Phoenix. The two will meet at

1055
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: Mount Smart Stadium tomorrow and after a couple of disappointing results.

1056
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: Auckland FC is chasing the fifth straight win against the Wellingtonians.

1057
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: Nick Becker is Auckland f c's chief executive and back

1058
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: with us.

1059
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 7: I Nick, Hey, Heather, Hell are you mate?

1060
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 3: I'm well. Are you feeling pressure?

1061
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 12: No, I no pressure at all. We love pressure. No,

1062
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 12: We're feeling good. You know, last week was a wobble,

1063
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 12: but there's also a wobble in a torrential downpour, so

1064
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 12: it's like it's biblical stuff.

1065
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 7: You know, you can write that off easily.

1066
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. I love that. Just that was a

1067
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: bad one to decide. Let's keep going forward. Do these

1068
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 3: derby seem to be like the thing to go to?

1069
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: Are they proven more popular than the other matches?

1070
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 12: Definitely, they always are that they you know, it's tribalism

1071
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 12: and its best. It's kind of it's arguably, I think,

1072
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 12: becoming New Zealand's biggest domestic fixture in the sporting calendar.

1073
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 12: You know, you're kind of it used to be the

1074
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 12: old NPC days back, you know, ten fifteen years ago.

1075
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 12: Now I think that that football is taking a real

1076
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 12: hold on it. Why you know, you look at the

1077
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 12: growth of the game over the last sort of ten

1078
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 12: ten years really and you've got that passion there.

1079
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 7: It's also something different.

1080
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 12: I think you've kind of got that sort of the

1081
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 12: experience on a match.

1082
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Speaker 7: There's like nothing else you've said in sport and then Z.

1083
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 12: So you've got that excitement there, you've got the passionate fans,

1084
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 12: you've got the families that are there. It's a real

1085
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 12: experience that nobody else has sort of seen here. I

1086
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 12: think people got a bit bored of just the same

1087
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 12: as and it's something new and they're really excited about it.

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Speaker 3: Joe what Nick? I wonder if it's got to do

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Speaker 3: with the fans, Like the fans are there's something about

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Speaker 3: really backing your team that Rugby's kind of lost.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't know if it's Rugby has lost or

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Speaker 12: if if I already had it. You know, football has

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00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 12: got that globally, and I think what's really what's brilliant

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Speaker 12: about us? I mean, you know, we're only in our

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Speaker 12: second season, but we've already got Latino fan bases. We've

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Speaker 12: got you know, sort of fan bases from across the

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Speaker 12: whole world, and they make so much noise and they

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Speaker 12: bring so much passion and color and flair and flavor.

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Speaker 12: You just don't get that in rugby because it is

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Speaker 12: New Zealand's biggest sport. That's fine, that's great, but rugby

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Speaker 12: fans don't celebrate like football fans.

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Speaker 7: It's just a fact.

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Speaker 11: Ye.

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Speaker 3: And so have you seen the post that the Port

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Speaker 3: has done about chief.

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Speaker 11: Ye?

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Speaker 7: Do you know what?

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Speaker 12: I did actually say it, and I thought that's actually

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Speaker 12: taking things a bit too far. I think Banta is

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Speaker 12: great and you want to have that rivalry and you

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Speaker 12: want to be pushing each other, but you.

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Speaker 7: Don't need to go too far on it.

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Speaker 12: And that's not The Port are completely independent to the

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Speaker 12: club and they do what they do.

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Speaker 7: It's not certainly not something that we'd endorse on our

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Speaker 7: own channel.

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Speaker 3: Look, you're taking it more seriously than he is. I

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Speaker 3: mean he's he says he is a clown.

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Speaker 12: Well i'll let him, I'll let him call himself a clown.

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to do it.

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Speaker 3: Nick, good luck tomorrow, Thanks very much to Go Auckland.

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Speaker 3: That's Nick Becker, who is of course the chief executive

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Speaker 3: of the Auckland f C. If you haven't seen it,

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Speaker 3: the Port is the fan club for Auckland f C.

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Speaker 3: And they've put up a post on Insta of the

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Speaker 3: Phoenix coach chiefy Giancarlo Italiano dressed up as a clown

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Speaker 3: and has the caption in the background saying Chief he

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Speaker 3: is an fing clown, and Chief he says he doesn't

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Speaker 3: care because he is a clown, and then he says,

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard anyone from outside Auckland say that they

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Speaker 3: like Auckland, which is true. Twenty away from six.

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Speaker 9: School obviously is rather upset that that phrase was used

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Speaker 9: in commentary.

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Speaker 1: To them, I apologize unequivocally.

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Speaker 8: What happens to your test team in January when they

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Speaker 8: all get pulled out to go and play this provincial

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Speaker 8: teacher any tournament. What happens to the shrink and Tour

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Speaker 8: which is scheduled to be during that time and then

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Speaker 8: India is not long after.

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Speaker 19: If anybody had bothered to do I discuss the first

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Speaker 19: thing we could have said to them is, while a

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Speaker 19: competition like this really will succeed if we can get

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Speaker 19: a four week windows, let's be flexible around where that is.

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Speaker 3: On the sports tattle that's this evening. We've got Nathan Lemon,

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Speaker 3: Jeff mctage. Nathan, of course is our Herald sports journalist

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Speaker 3: and Jeff mctage is the Sky Sports commentator. How are

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00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: you guys, hey ever get ether right? What do you reckon? Nathan?

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00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: I saw you whip your phone up and have a

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Speaker 3: look at that. What did you think of the insta post?

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Speaker 18: See, I'm normally I'm normally one who just encourages any

1153
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Speaker 18: kind of bands at least hype up the rivalry. It's

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Speaker 18: get a bit of I always look at overseas rivalries

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Speaker 18: and I look at I think about what what are

1156
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 18: the best rivalries in the world in Sport, Manchester City, Manchester,

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Speaker 18: United State of Origin, you know, Queens and versus New

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Speaker 18: South Wales, and what fuels those rivalries is hate. It's

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Speaker 18: hate and it's not hate genuinely, but it's like you

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Speaker 18: get in the stadium performance performative hate. So I the

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Speaker 18: post itself, I would have more support of it if

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Speaker 18: it was a little bit clever, but it's not really clever.

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Speaker 18: It's just on the nose. But I really like a

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Speaker 18: chief his response and that he says he doesn't care.

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Speaker 18: I think that makes it a bit more okay.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So is that banter okay, Jeff, but the banter

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Speaker 3: at Christ College is not?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I guess they're slightly different, slightly different situations. Look,

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Speaker 15: I think Scott has come out and sincerely apologized, and

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Speaker 15: I think it's fair to say that in a live

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Speaker 15: environment sometimes we can all say things that we would

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Speaker 15: otherwise not say and regret in hindsight. So he's come out,

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Speaker 15: he's owned it. I think his statement is sincere and

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Speaker 15: and we move on. Clearly, he said that he wasn't

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Speaker 15: aware of what the term meant at the time. I

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Speaker 15: certainly wasn't.

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Speaker 6: When I heard it.

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Speaker 15: Obviously it offended those at Christ College to head to.

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Speaker 3: Go google it, did you?

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Speaker 15: I didn't google it. I didn't pay too much attention

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Speaker 15: to helves until others said what it related to in

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Speaker 15: the media. So look, I think, as I said, Scott

1184
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Speaker 15: has made the apology. It's a live environment. We can

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Speaker 15: do things we were good at times, and we move on.

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Speaker 3: Isn't this an overreaction, Nathan?

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Speaker 18: It's so difficult because I'm in the same boat as that.

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Speaker 18: I had no idea what it meant. Like, I'm not

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Speaker 18: from Christ.

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Speaker 3: With the headmaster has drawn attention to it, created the

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Speaker 3: strides and defect. Now we all know what a syrup

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Speaker 3: sucker is, and now we're all like, what thew is

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Speaker 3: going on at your schoolmate?

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Speaker 6: Well, no one's going to say that again, are they.

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Speaker 18: So I suppose if that's the desired outcome, it's it's

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Speaker 18: not going to happen again. Because I'm fully with Jeff

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Speaker 18: and Scottish apologized. His apology is obviously sincere it's a

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Speaker 18: live environment.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, he got that wrong.

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Speaker 18: But I think this is something that is just should

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Speaker 18: be dropped.

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Speaker 3: And he's my argument, Well, what I'm what I'm getting at,

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Speaker 3: Jeff is that if this like, if this happens, are

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Speaker 3: you are you doing the right thing as the principle

1205
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Speaker 3: to jump up and down about it, or are you

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Speaker 3: better off to just be like just we just don't

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Speaker 3: want to draw attention to it, because because now now

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Speaker 3: we're all discussing the thing, he doesn't want us to

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Speaker 3: to say.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, hard to say, and that's very Christian for the

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Speaker 15: principle of christ College. But it was obviously it struck

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Speaker 15: a nerve and and and it's obviously you know, created

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Speaker 15: this reaction. So I think you know he's done the

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Speaker 15: right thing, Scott, He's come out, he's apologized before the

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Speaker 15: day's play. As I said, it's sincere tvn Z. Yeah,

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Speaker 15: there's going to be an investigation. Obviously, broadcast standards complaints

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Speaker 15: being laid. So look, those things are going to happen.

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Speaker 15: But at the end of the day, you know, as

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Speaker 15: I said, I think these things can slip out of

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Speaker 15: mountains broadcasters from time to time. You just got to

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Speaker 15: step up.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like that, never seen anything wrong.

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Speaker 18: I think it depends if the students themselves are subject

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Speaker 18: of this comment where we're passed off and upset, and

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Speaker 18: if they were, then the principal is very justifying standing

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Speaker 18: up for them on the behalf. If they didn't care,

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Speaker 18: no one really cared, and the principles something.

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Speaker 3: Knowing school boys, they probably stoked with this at the minute. Listen,

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Speaker 3: I want to get what I want to hear what

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Speaker 3: you guys have to think to say about the cricket

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Speaker 3: competent from the T twenty do it after the break

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Speaker 3: quarter two.

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Speaker 2: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand South of East International.

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Speaker 1: Real team, the only truly global brand.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back of the sports huddle Jeff mctage and

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Speaker 3: Nathan Limb. Jeff, now, are you for or against this

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Speaker 3: T twenty thing in New Zealand?

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Speaker 6: On for it?

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Speaker 7: On for it?

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Speaker 15: I think we always run into these situations when something

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Speaker 15: new is moted and put forward and the establishment, you know,

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Speaker 15: off and crow Foullvant go no, you can't do that

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Speaker 15: without our say so and and whatnot. But if you

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Speaker 15: actually look at the you know, the core theme here,

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Speaker 15: so they want to play the cricket around the same

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Speaker 15: time as the test schedule. But from my end, it's

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Speaker 15: just about working out when that's played and working together

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Speaker 15: with New Zealand cricket. I think if they can work

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Speaker 15: in harmony and have have those top players that clearly

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Speaker 15: End twenty want to play in that competition, have them available,

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Speaker 15: also have them available and have those assurances for the

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Speaker 15: test schedule, I see no problem in it, particularly given

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Speaker 15: that the six major associations are on board, so there

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Speaker 15: are plenty of people for this to go ahead. It's

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Speaker 15: not like everyone's saying no, we don't want the NZ twenty.

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Speaker 6: Lots of people do.

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Speaker 15: So how do we make this work collectibility to get together?

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Speaker 3: I mean the problem that's been raised, Nathan, is that

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Speaker 3: it's going to clash with the Australia Test Series, which

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Speaker 3: is happening in January next year, right or twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: But isn't the fundamental point here act And that's fair enough,

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Speaker 3: that seems like a problem, but actually don't we have

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Speaker 3: to set aside a cricket window for domestic competitions around

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Speaker 3: the world so that they can actually play proper domestic cricket.

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Speaker 18: I think what is very clear is that New Zealand

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00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 18: has fallen behind, way behind the world stage in terms

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Speaker 18: of our domestic product and entertaining financially viable domestic competition.

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Speaker 18: You know, all over the world they have these competitions

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Speaker 18: and we've fallen behind. The black Caps succeed in t

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Speaker 18: twenties in spite of our domestic competition, not because of them.

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Speaker 18: So what is clear is that change is needed. I

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Speaker 18: think what's happened here is that we've got this new

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Speaker 18: sort of notion, this new prospect. We don't like new

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Speaker 18: scary things. I think at we just need more information

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Speaker 18: on the stage because this isn't something that's going to

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Speaker 18: happen next month. This is just a concept at the stage.

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Speaker 18: And yeah that I think the crest questions that have

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Speaker 18: been raised in this open letter are viable, But I

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Speaker 18: also think there's an element of us panicking over something

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Speaker 18: that we don't actually have the details of.

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Speaker 3: Nay, then would you rather you'll domestic cricket be one

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Speaker 3: day is or T twenties, because that's what will happen.

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Speaker 3: It will replace the one days?

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Speaker 18: I think that, well, I mean, hang on, it will

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Speaker 18: replace the one days because you have the super Smash.

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Speaker 18: It will replace the super Smash, so the Supersmash is twenty.

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Speaker 3: The Super Sorry, it will replace the won't replace the

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Speaker 3: one days because if you're going to if you're the

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Speaker 3: idea is you move the eyeballs away from your one

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Speaker 3: days to your T twenties.

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Speaker 18: I mean, I think I didn't think that this affected

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Speaker 18: the Ford Trophy in your wondering. What I thought this

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Speaker 18: was was was t it replaces the Super Smash, the

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Speaker 18: T twenty competition.

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Speaker 3: It does replace them.

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Speaker 6: It replaces that.

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Speaker 3: Isn't the idea that if you if you're protecting this thing, right,

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Speaker 3: you're just protecting this thing the centrally that the contracted

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Speaker 3: players have to be here, it will gravitate us all

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Speaker 3: towards that Instead of the one Day.

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Speaker 18: Is instead of the black Caps one days or the

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Speaker 18: domestic one Domestic. I don't think anyone watches the Domestic

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Speaker 18: one day anyway.

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Speaker 6: It's on you.

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Speaker 3: Are you okay with it?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 18: Okay, because it's to me it's not it's a non

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Speaker 18: issue because the one days aren't. Don't have any eyes

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Speaker 18: on it anyway.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And then we replaced the super Smash as well.

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Speaker 3: All right, Jeff, we need to talk about what is

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Speaker 3: going on here with It'sabeth, because Isabeth has been stood

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Speaker 3: down for twelve matches. But none of this is the

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Speaker 3: eye gouging. But none of the matches are test so

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Speaker 3: does it count?

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Speaker 15: Can we can we suspend them when the World Cup

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Speaker 15: rolls around the same save one for them? Now, Look,

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Speaker 15: I'm so I've got.

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Speaker 6: A bug on this.

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Speaker 21: On Lot.

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Speaker 15: I think it's if he if he sits out twelve

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Speaker 15: matches for the Sharks in the United Rugby Championship, Look,

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Speaker 15: that just means he's going to have, you know, a

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Speaker 15: few months off to spend some time in the germ

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Speaker 15: and put on another twenty kilos, So he's one hundred

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Speaker 15: and fifty kilos.

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Speaker 6: Of man muscle.

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Speaker 15: We Look, I think this should the crime should relate

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Speaker 15: where to where it's been, you know, to to where

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Speaker 15: it's transpired. So in this case Test rugby, so you're

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Speaker 15: gonna hand a twelve weeks suspend to a twelve game suspension.

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Speaker 15: Surely I think at least that some of that should

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Speaker 15: be in Test rugby. Otherwise, you know, what's the point

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Speaker 15: is just going to have an extended break.

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Speaker 18: I am fine with him serving the suspension in club rugby.

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Speaker 18: I think that yellow and red cards have become so

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Speaker 18: common in rugby union. I mean South Africa had three

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Speaker 18: red cards and four tests. So if we start going

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Speaker 18: with this saying okay, he's going to miss tests, then

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Speaker 18: we're going to it's going to bleed into other red

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Speaker 18: card issues. And it's already controversial how many red cards

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Speaker 18: are getting toushed out. And what's going to happen is

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Speaker 18: it's going to come back on us. It's all very

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Speaker 18: well now that we South Africa, but you know, some

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Speaker 18: all blacks is going to get red carded and then

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Speaker 18: we're going to be going, oh no, he's going to

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Speaker 18: miss you know this many tests for the all blacks.

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Speaker 18: So I think we have to think of it from

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Speaker 18: the perspective of if he was our player. Would we

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Speaker 18: want him just missing Super rugby? We want him to

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Speaker 18: miss all blacks.

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Speaker 3: Tests really quickly. Are you sad that we have lost

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Speaker 3: our fastest runner to the Aussies?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 18: I think a sprinting is a sport that's that's very

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Speaker 18: easy to understand. Kids do it all the way through

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Speaker 18: primary school, high school. You know, an athletic states. It's

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Speaker 18: an easy thing to go, oh, I'm good at this,

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Speaker 18: I might try it this more. And you need people

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Speaker 18: in the sport for kids to look up to.

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Speaker 3: INSPI.

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Speaker 18: Okay, maybe he wasn't going to make the Olympic podium,

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Speaker 18: but he can still be that person that represents Newsy

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Speaker 18: on that kids look up to. I think that is

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Speaker 18: a huge loss.

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Speaker 15: Jeff, I think the standards are outrageous that they need

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Speaker 15: to be locked at lock ten o eight. That got

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Speaker 15: him a silver medal at Birmingham twenty twenty two, which

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Speaker 15: he wasn't selected for. So there's some food for thought.

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Speaker 3: Ah, very good point. Actually, hey guys, thank you. It's

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Speaker 3: been a pleasure to talk to the pair of you.

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Speaker 3: Nathan Limb Jeff mctage. I spook tudble this evening seven

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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 2: Myard Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Heather, the only reason that Scotti Stephenson is apologizing is

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Speaker 3: because society has, in a terrible moment for society given

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Speaker 3: the shorthaired, middle aged HR ladies more power than they

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Speaker 3: ever deserved. Mark that text is tech probably text of

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Speaker 3: the EU. Yeah, in fact, i'd enter that in the Ockhams.

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Speaker 3: Just make sure that you draw your own cover art

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01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 3: for that. Certainly, please don't be using the AI for it.

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01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: You know how they feel about that. Now listen, I've

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Speaker 3: got a live hack for you. This is This is

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Speaker 3: a live hack from my trip to to Wellington. It's

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Speaker 3: four away from six. So when I was in Wellington,

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Speaker 3: I went into the kitchen there to make Oh, this

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Speaker 3: is a boring story already. I went into the kitchen

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Speaker 3: to make a cup of tea and I opened the

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Speaker 3: I want to go through the process because you know that,

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Speaker 3: because you do it. But I went into the it's

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Speaker 3: like the.

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Speaker 22: Green Party MPs, like Diary. This is where we're at now.

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Speaker 3: This is like Hernando whatever his name is, Diary when

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Speaker 3: he went to cop Anyway, So I went into the

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Speaker 3: fridge to get the milk out, and in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the fridge, sitting on top of two pizzas, was

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Speaker 3: a set of car keys, and I said, oh, oh, no,

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Speaker 3: somebody has left their car and I pulled them out

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Speaker 3: and I said, hey, to share all who runs the office, Hey,

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Speaker 3: someone's left the car keys. And she goes put them

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Speaker 3: back their varnyards. I put them back, Vanya put This

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Speaker 3: is very clever. Vanya is the boss there, so of

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Speaker 3: course she's clever. She puts her car keys in the

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Speaker 3: fridge on top of the pizzas so that when she

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Speaker 3: goes home at night she doesn't forget the pizzas, because

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Speaker 3: because she's like a busy person, she forgets her pizzas

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Speaker 3: all the time. She learned it from Jenny, who used

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Speaker 3: to work there, who's something of a legend Andrew Mulligan's mum. Actually,

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Speaker 3: Jenny Mulligan. That's a good That is a fantastic life pack,

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Speaker 3: because how many times have you done the thing where

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Speaker 3: you're like, nope, putting up. I bought this thing, a

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Speaker 3: hot chicken, putting it in the fridge at work, and

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Speaker 3: I'm going to take it home. Our bloody owl. I

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Speaker 3: forgot it. Well, if you put your car keys and

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Speaker 3: you're not going to forget it, you're welcome. Courtesy of

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Speaker 3: Varna and Eryl and Jenny and now me, that story

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Speaker 3: actually ended up being better than than we thought. Oh

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Speaker 3: that's right, does you me? Okay's that kind of the day?

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Paul Bloxam next on whether we're ever going to be

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Speaker 3: a rockstar economy again?

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Speaker 11: Christmas?

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Speaker 3: Who have you?

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Speaker 2: We're business who meets inside the Business Hour with Heather

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Speaker 2: Dupless and Mass motor Vehicle Insurance, your futures in good hands,

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Speaker 2: News talks.

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Speaker 1: There'd be.

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Speaker 3: Evening coming up to the next hour. We're going to

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Speaker 3: wrap the political week that was with Barry so for

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Speaker 3: Peter Lewis is out of Hong Kong for US, and

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray is out of the UK as well. Seven

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Speaker 3: past six. Now, I think we can all agree that

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Speaker 3: survived till twenty five turned out to be a bit

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Speaker 3: of a dud slogan as the economy struggled all along

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Speaker 3: along all of this year. So we'll stay in the

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Speaker 3: mixt until twenty six turn into a dud as well?

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Speaker 3: Or do we actually believe these green shoots stories? Paul

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Speaker 3: Bloxham as HSBC's chief economist regular on the show. He's

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Speaker 3: been traveling the country all week. High Paul, welcome to

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Speaker 3: the studio.

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Speaker 6: Great to be here.

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Speaker 3: It's lovely to have you, now, are you? I mean

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Speaker 3: you are pretty confident about next year. We've been talking

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Speaker 3: about this all year, right.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 17: Well, we thought in New Zealand's economy would pick up

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Speaker 17: a little bit more strongly this year. It's taken just

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Speaker 17: a bit longer to arrive than we had in mind,

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Speaker 17: and of course the RBNZ and because of that has

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Speaker 17: ended up delivering more easy cutting by another seventy five

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Speaker 17: basis points. But that just adds a bit more fuel

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Speaker 17: to this story as far as we see, and we

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Speaker 17: do think that growth will pick up up fairly solidly

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Speaker 17: into the last part of this year and running into

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Speaker 17: twenty twenty six as well. We think the green shoots

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01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 17: are there and things are looking a bit brighter in

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Speaker 17: New Zealand, matching Australia. Look, we think that New Zealand,

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Speaker 17: because it has had such an extended period i mean

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Speaker 17: three years of no growth in New Zealand, in effect,

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Speaker 17: there's a lot of scope for things to pick up,

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Speaker 17: and so we're forecasting that growth will be stronger in

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Speaker 17: New Zealand next year than Australia. I mean Australia's got

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Speaker 17: different issues. Australia has no lack of demand. We've got

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Speaker 17: plenty of demand. We just haven't got enough supply. The

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Speaker 17: economy can't grow a much faster. In fact, it's probably

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Speaker 17: already growing a little faster than is sustainable. So no,

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Speaker 17: we think New Zealand's going to have a stronger How

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Speaker 17: much faster.

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Speaker 3: Are we growing than aussy?

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Speaker 6: In our full cast.

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Speaker 17: Next year GDP growth in New Zealand is about two

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Speaker 17: and a half percent and in Australia is two point one,

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Speaker 17: just over two. So you know, we're not talking about

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Speaker 17: miles away, but we are talking about after three years

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Speaker 17: of essentially no growth in New Zealand, you start to

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Speaker 17: have a better time.

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Speaker 3: Should at least stop the brain drain type thing?

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Speaker 17: Well, you know, so this is this is one element

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Speaker 17: of that story. Once the economy starts to get going

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Speaker 17: and firms start to do a bit more hiring and

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Speaker 17: the labor market starts to tighten up, that'll keep a

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Speaker 17: few more people here and it will bring back a

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Speaker 17: few more people from Australia.

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Speaker 6: And if Australia's story is.

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Speaker 17: One where actually it just can't keep growing or needs

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Speaker 17: to even slow down a bit because well you're already

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Speaker 17: running u against your capacity constraints. Then New Zealand's going

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Speaker 17: to start to look a bit more attractive. And that's

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Speaker 17: the story we've got in mind.

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Speaker 3: Do we ever get back to being a rock star

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Speaker 3: economy again?

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Speaker 17: I think, as I said to you maybe before, when

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Speaker 17: you've asked me this question, yeah, I think you need

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Speaker 17: to aspire to try and be a rock star. I

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Speaker 17: mean when we talked about that rockstar idea, which has

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Speaker 17: got momentum of its own, and this is back in

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Speaker 17: twenty fourteen, you were the fastest growing economy in the

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Speaker 17: developed world in that particular year, and so we marked

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Speaker 17: it out early. We got that call right, and of

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Speaker 17: course it's had a life of its own. So the

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Speaker 17: question now is can you have the strongest economy across

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Speaker 17: that set of countries again? And I think, well, we'll see.

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Speaker 17: You should descide to it the whole. I think you're

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Speaker 17: in an upswing, as I say, I think, I think

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Speaker 17: there's some green shirts. Things are looking brighter and you know, well,

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Speaker 17: well we'll as we get into next year, if we

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Speaker 17: get a little bit momentum, we'll have a think about how.

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Speaker 6: Much wrong you can be.

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Speaker 3: I was at a thing a couple of months ago, right,

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Speaker 3: and we had a look at our relative There was

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Speaker 3: a chart up on the projector and it was our

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Speaker 3: relative prosperity in New Zealand in contrast to you know,

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Speaker 3: other developed countries. And really in the last probably you

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Speaker 3: could say six seven decades, we have slipped further and

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Speaker 3: further back in terms of our GDP per capita or

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Speaker 3: our relative wealth per person. So it seems to me,

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01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 3: actually the path that we're on is not actually get it.

1519
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 3: It's not growing us in the way that we want

1520
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 3: to grow per capita. So what do we need to

1521
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 3: do here, Paul? Do we need to do something fundamental

1522
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 3: in this economy, something like Ireland or Singapore, which are

1523
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 3: being talked about.

1524
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 17: You need to do as much reform as you can

1525
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 17: that attracts as much investment into the places you need them.

1526
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 17: I mean, when you need to work on the supper

1527
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 17: side of your economy as well.

1528
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 3: Would you go as hard as slashing the corporate tax

1529
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 3: right here?

1530
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 17: I think that it's something should be on the agenda

1531
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 17: that tax reforms should definitely be part of part of

1532
01:08:59,160 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 17: the mix.

1533
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 3: I mean, when you go as low as fifteen, what you're.

1534
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 17: Effectively doing is looking to open up the economy as

1535
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 17: much as possible, not just to local investors but also

1536
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 17: global investors as well.

1537
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 3: Would you go as low as fifteen, I.

1538
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 17: Think that, you know, it just depends. I mean, these

1539
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 17: the numbers we haven't got sort of specifics on, but

1540
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 17: I think you need to look really hard at things

1541
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 17: like tax reform that could potentially make it more attractive

1542
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 17: to invest here. I think infrastructure has still got to

1543
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 17: be a focus. I mean, the big one of the

1544
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 17: really interesting growth stories that's going on in Australia that's

1545
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 17: really just getting started and actually hasn't got enough attention

1546
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 17: yet is the data center build out and the AI

1547
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 17: story and the software export software license export story. So

1548
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 17: Australia's got this little tech story that's actually still quite

1549
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 17: small but growing quite quickly, and there's really no reason

1550
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 17: why New Zealand couldn't be on that sort of story

1551
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 17: as well. So there are growth engines you can see,

1552
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 17: but you need to be attractive to that local and

1553
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 17: global investment.

1554
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 3: So the reason I brought up this chart is that

1555
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 3: What has showed me was that we were It felt

1556
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 3: to me like the tinkering that we're at at the moment.

1557
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 3: A little bit of reform here, a little bit of

1558
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 3: reform cutting some red tape. That's really like what we

1559
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 3: need the way that we're slipping backwards, actually need some

1560
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 3: fundament to really bold, really bold ideas. Am I just

1561
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 3: getting way over my skis here or do you agree?

1562
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 15: No?

1563
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 17: You need to do You need to focus on supply

1564
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 17: side reform. I think there's been some that's been moving

1565
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 17: in the right direction. You describe it as tinkering, but

1566
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,799
Speaker 17: I think it is. It is moving in the right direction.

1567
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 17: But you need to have as bolder ideas as you

1568
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 17: can possibly manage.

1569
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 6: To deliver, because you've got to attract.

1570
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 17: More investment, you've got to expand the capital stock. You've

1571
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 17: got to focus on lifting productivity in New Zealand as well.

1572
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 17: I've spent a lot of time talking about how much

1573
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 17: Australia needs to do that, and they're not doing enough

1574
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 17: and hence they're hitting their capacity constraints. New Zealand's got

1575
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 17: that as an agenda too. But actually the primary agenda

1576
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 17: for New Zealand of late has been pump PRIMI demand

1577
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 17: actually getting the economy and getting confidence to improve and

1578
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 17: getting things to turn around. I think that's starting to

1579
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 17: get underway, and then of course a long way along that,

1580
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 17: a long way. At the same time, the simultaneous focus

1581
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 17: ought to be on these supply side issues, and as

1582
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 17: you head towards an election next year, this ought to

1583
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 17: be something that's very much in focus as well.

1584
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 3: Should be talking about. Now. This is the last time

1585
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to you before Christmas, so Merry

1586
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 3: Christmas and what are you doing.

1587
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 17: I'm going to spend Christmas in Western Australia where I'm from.

1588
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 17: Actually I grew up in Perth, and we're going to

1589
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 17: go home and spend time with my family. It's going

1590
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 17: to be a couple of weeks of hopefully putting down

1591
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 17: all the tools and not getting involved.

1592
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 6: It's very hard for me. I really love what I do.

1593
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 3: But I need to get your take on something you

1594
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 3: said you take in a couple of weeks off. We

1595
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 3: discussed this on the show yesterday whether our summer holidays

1596
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: are getting too long? Are they getting too long in

1597
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 3: New Zealand? Is it a problem for productivity?

1598
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 17: I think it's great that we have a pause and

1599
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 17: we get to do a reset. This is important for everyone,

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01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 17: and it's good that we do it collectively. I think

1601
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 17: that's an important feature. And like other regions do this too.

1602
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 17: Europe it's always, you know, July and August, they have

1603
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 17: a long stretch where everyone gets to sort of unwind

1604
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 17: and come back fresh. So I think that this is

1605
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 17: just a part of what we do down here in

1606
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 17: the Antipodeans is have our summer break over Listmas time.

1607
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 3: That's what I think. Merry Christmas, thank you, thank you

1608
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 3: so much, Paul, appreciate it. Okay, Paul Block some agspecies

1609
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 3: chief economists. Either I've been leaving my keys in the

1610
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 3: work fridge for years when I need to take home

1611
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 3: my groceries. Can you please tell us something we don't know, John,

1612
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 3: not everyone. I've never seen this before. So just because

1613
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 3: you know the thing, don't assume everybody else knows that

1614
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 3: Heather that life hack is good. Except modern cars now

1615
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 3: with proximity keys have batteries in them which don't like cold.

1616
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 3: I learned this the hard way.

1617
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 5: Now.

1618
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 3: This is true because if you ever go to Antarctica,

1619
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 3: what they tell you is you've got to take your

1620
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 3: batteries out of your cameras and stuff like that, if

1621
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 3: they are removable batteries, and put them as close to

1622
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 3: your body underneath your jacket as you possibly can, because

1623
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 3: if they get into the good because then they'll stay warm.

1624
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 3: But if it gets into the antarctic cold, it just

1625
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 3: drains the life out of the battery really quickly. Cold

1626
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 3: like just sucks out your batteries, which is why you'll

1627
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 3: find your car battery dies in the winter and the

1628
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 3: bit from your bloody smoke alarms happens in the winter.

1629
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 3: So that is true, true, But I somehow I feel

1630
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 3: like your fridge it's probably not going to do that

1631
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 3: to your battery anyway. There you go.

1632
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 2: Quarter past it's the Heather Duper See Allan Drive full

1633
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1634
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 2: numbers and getting the results. Ye Heather Duples c Allen

1635
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Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance.

1636
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Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands Newstalgs EDB.

1637
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Speaker 3: Hither I heard the air crew put one shoe in

1638
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 3: their inroom safe in the hotel room with their passports

1639
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 3: so that don't forget their passports. Dirrectors. They have to

1640
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 3: go get two shoes, and they find the other shoe

1641
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 3: and then they take the passport. Brilliant. Love it. Eighteen

1642
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 3: past six. Let's wrap the political week that was with

1643
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 3: Barry Soper, senior political correspondent. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again. Yes,

1644
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 3: a surprise of the day has got to be the

1645
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 3: court ordering mariamental Cupa Kingi back into the party.

1646
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 9: Well, it's a big issue when you consider it. You know,

1647
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 9: I think political leaders probably felt that they in fact

1648
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 9: could expel party members. Although this is a bit different

1649
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 9: because Kupa Kingi is an electorate MP holds one of

1650
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 9: the electric Maldi seats, so it's a bit different from

1651
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:59,759
Speaker 9: a list MP. But the court ruling is quite clear

1652
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 9: that she's back on the party.

1653
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty unusual. Okay, Now, do you feel as you're

1654
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 3: feeling about Andy Coster changed at all?

1655
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 9: Look, I've always felt a bit sorry for him because

1656
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 9: clearly he was taken in by Jevon Mcskimming and they

1657
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 9: were probably pretty close colleagues. When you consider that, you know,

1658
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 9: he was in line to take over the job from Costa,

1659
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 9: and I think was probably Costa's preference for the job.

1660
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 9: Until all this mess was unfolding. But you know he

1661
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 9: went on. He did nothing in the Social Investment Agency

1662
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 9: that you could say would have been would have been

1663
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 9: used in getting.

1664
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 12: Rid of him.

1665
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 9: So you know, can he be trusted? Well, if you

1666
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 9: listen to Brian Roach, the Commissioner of the Public Service,

1667
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 9: he says yes, he's a very trustworthy individual. So then

1668
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 9: you asked the question, well, really should he have resigned?

1669
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 9: And if he hadn't resigned, Brian Roach says that he

1670
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 9: would have removed.

1671
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 3: Them for each to be fired for political reasons, like

1672
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 3: politically he was a target. But when you think about

1673
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 3: what Andy Costa did. Look, I'm not making excuses do

1674
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 3: Gevin mc skimming is a creep, But Andy Costa just

1675
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 3: believed his mate right and and try to protect his

1676
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 3: mate from what he thought was a bunny boiler EGGX.

1677
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 3: This is different to planting evidence on you know, in

1678
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 3: the crew case that is that is malicious. It's different

1679
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 3: to trying to cover up what happened to Erebus. It's

1680
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 3: not like I just feel like what we're missing here

1681
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 3: is the malice.

1682
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 9: Well, yes, but I guess if you were the young

1683
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 9: woman involved in this case, I mean, she may have

1684
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,759
Speaker 9: been insistent on bringing down MC skimming. But the sounds

1685
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 9: of things, but you know you've got to have for

1686
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 9: her is the same.

1687
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, well the outcome is and it's noble injustice, right.

1688
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 9: Yes, indeed. But you know, I just hope that cost

1689
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 9: of feared down the track. He's a very experienced and

1690
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 9: you know, a very pleasant human being. I just hope

1691
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 9: that further down the track he'll find himself back in

1692
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 9: a fairly good position.

1693
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 3: I'm getting texts from people like Jennifer saying to me, heither,

1694
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 3: you need to get out more. Most morning tea items

1695
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 3: are anywhere from anywhere. Decent start at ten to fifteen dollars.

1696
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,719
Speaker 3: One drink of sausage rollin is gone and you've been forty.

1697
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 3: You've spent forty dollars in Auckland easy peas well, there.

1698
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:22,480
Speaker 9: You go, thirty two hundred dollars for sunny kershel sweet.

1699
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 3: As we sped Jennifers spend up mate.

1700
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 9: But it's incredible, And I remember you talking about the

1701
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 9: hours that Sonny would have had to have worked to

1702
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 9: earn the money that he was earning on an hourly rate,

1703
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 9: over almost three hundred thousand dollars in less than a

1704
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 9: year a lot of money, but it was justified at

1705
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 9: a select comtee and the the what do they call

1706
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 9: it again?

1707
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 3: I always crutiny week? Bruty looks right.

1708
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 9: Down bout it was written down somewhere here, but I

1709
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 9: couldn't be bothered look at But yeah, no, scrutiny Week.

1710
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 9: The Justice Department was in front of Andrew Kibble was

1711
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 9: the CEO, saying that well, look he's a hard worker.

1712
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 9: While he must be a bloody hard worker. That's all

1713
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 9: I can.

1714
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 3: Say, Jesus working every day that God gave him. Yeah,

1715
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 3: all right, now do you want to talk about Scrutiny

1716
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 3: Week and how much you've loved it?

1717
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 6: Well?

1718
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 3: No, you got anything out of it that was great?

1719
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 9: Yeah? Well Richard Chambers was before the parliamentarians.

1720
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 3: What did he say you hadn't heard before? Oh no nothing,

1721
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 3: I heard nothing.

1722
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 9: I guess it's a bit of a political game, isn't it.

1723
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 9: I quite like seeing the CEOs who are paid very

1724
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 9: handsomely to run their departments, many of whom earn more

1725
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 9: than the Prime Minister, see them put on the spot.

1726
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 9: That's quite nice. And to watch them having to squirm

1727
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 9: and answer questions. You can imagine, you know, some of

1728
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 9: these very young MPs that sit on these committees, like

1729
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 9: Tabitha Paul pointing the finger of Richard Chambers, the Commissioner

1730
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 9: of Police, and you know it really does, I guess

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Speaker 9: make the CEO squirm of it that they have to

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Speaker 9: be honest and answer the questions that are put to them.

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Speaker 3: Barry, thank you very much, Barry Soper seeing your political

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Speaker 3: correspondent six twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

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Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Heather Duper c Allen and

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Speaker 2: Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance.

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Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands us talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be she shih praise hither. I think your summary

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Speaker 3: of the Andrew Costa situation with Barry is very balanced

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Speaker 3: and you are on the on the money. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for sharing it. Colin, you are welcome. That's what I'm

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Speaker 3: here for some of the time. By the way, apparently

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Rugby has a guy lined up to take

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Speaker 3: over as the boss there wants Mark Robinson Leaves. They're

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Speaker 3: talking to former Tall Black Shawn Marks about it and

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Speaker 3: he's been the general manager of the Nets since twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 3: so probably has the qualifications you'd say right. Peter Lewis

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Speaker 3: is with us shortly out of Hong Kong's six twenty six.

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Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

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Speaker 3: As now, you could pay seventeen dollars a month to

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Speaker 3: hear her tips, or you could just listen here right

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Speaker 3: now and I'll give her give you her ten commandments.

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Speaker 3: Did you get that? Commandments on how to be successful

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Speaker 3: in business? So here you go. Commandment number one, you

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Speaker 3: are the product. You are the product. Number two, they

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Speaker 3: nine Empires are built before dawn and number ten because

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Speaker 3: I said, so, how good is this? Basically just been confident,

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Speaker 3: That's all it is. It's knowing that you are worth something,

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Speaker 3: being confident and then maxing it out, which when you

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Speaker 3: really think about it, is actually quite good, quite good

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Speaker 3: business advice from Kemp to be fair, to be fair,

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Speaker 3: I would rather listen to her advice on business than

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Speaker 3: watch her acting at the moment, which is quite stink.

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Speaker 3: If you want to give her seventeen dollars if you

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Speaker 3: harder and cash, you can find her full tips at

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Speaker 3: masterclass dot com. You're welcome. Peter Lewis next, couldn't have

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Speaker 4: for the girl and taking.

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Speaker 6: Over the world.

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Speaker 4: Have you braved the class of plant grabs?

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Speaker 7: What do you want?

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Speaker 3: A momedy? You can't? I when get me there.

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Speaker 1: Had the duplicy Allen and Mass motor vehicle insurance. Your

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Speaker 1: future's in goodads used talks'd be.

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Speaker 3: Lord, I'll tell you what I've set one of my

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Speaker 3: friends off. She she has started texting me about keys

1794
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Speaker 3: in the fridge, thinks it's the most disgusting thing ever,

1795
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Speaker 3: because I mean she makes a fair point, right, which

1796
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Speaker 3: is like, if there's anything that your grubby little hands

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Speaker 3: is going to touch after touching other grubby little things,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be your car keys, isn't it? So

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Speaker 3: the grubby ass. So she was like, she's got she's

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Speaker 3: gone complete. She's nutting out on my phone at me

1801
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Speaker 3: right now. She's like, why don't you just used to

1802
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 3: put your used toilet paper in there as well? And

1803
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 3: there with pee. I'm never eating pizzas with you again

1804
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 3: here that Scott, She's gone completely mental. She's gone all

1805
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Speaker 3: like germ phobe, like Donald Trump on it. Anyway, I

1806
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Speaker 3: suppose you've got to be friends with a whole range

1807
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Speaker 3: of people, don't you, so that you can sort of

1808
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Speaker 3: balance yourself out and remain normal. I mean she thinks

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Speaker 3: she's the normal one, but she's not. Twenty three away

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Speaker 3: from seven. Peter Lewis Asia Business Correspondents with US. Hello Peter,

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Speaker 3: Hello Heather. Right, So are we going to get an

1812
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 3: investigation into this apartment fire?

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Speaker 21: Well partially, but not enough to quell public anger over this.

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Speaker 21: There is going to be a Committee of inquiry which

1815
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Speaker 21: will be led by a judge who reports to the

1816
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Speaker 21: Chief Executive, John Lee. But this is not the way

1817
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Speaker 21: historically how major tragedies in Hong Kong are investigated. What

1818
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 21: normally happens is a fully independent Committee of Inquiry is

1819
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Speaker 21: set up, and it's set up under the Commissions of

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Speaker 21: Inquiry Ordinance here in Hong Kong, and this has real

1821
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 21: legal powers that the committee that John Lee is setting

1822
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 21: up doesn't have. So if it was a commission, and

1823
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 21: a commission was set up after the twenty twelve Lamma

1824
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 21: Ferry crash, it can compel witnesses to attend and give

1825
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 21: evidence under oath, and it can also summon documents and

1826
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Speaker 21: government files as well and punish people who don't cooperate,

1827
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 21: so it has some real legal teeth. But the feeling

1828
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Speaker 21: is that the government itself is complicit in this because

1829
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 21: it simply hasn't enforced building regulations. It allows contractors to

1830
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Speaker 21: get away with using substandard substances like the nylon netting

1831
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 21: that covers buildings, the bamboo scaffolding, and regulators have revealed

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Speaker 21: the contractors even in the case of this fire in

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Speaker 21: Typo just a week earlier, had ignored fire prevention directives.

1834
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Speaker 21: So there's a feeling that there is real lack of

1835
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Speaker 21: government oversight over renovation works at apartment blocks in Hong Kong,

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Speaker 21: and that's partly to blame for this tragedy which has

1837
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Speaker 21: seen now one hundred and fifty nine people killed, and

1838
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Speaker 21: that this committee that's going to report to John Lee

1839
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 21: will be a bit of a whitewash. And the one

1840
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 21: of the reasons it is being set up this way

1841
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 21: is under pressure from Beijing to try and make sure

1842
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Speaker 21: that the government here stays in control of the inquiry.

1843
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 21: And we're sort of seeing the sort of public anger

1844
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Speaker 21: here that we haven't seen for a long long time.

1845
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 21: There's a lot of Facebook posts going around calling for

1846
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Speaker 21: proper public investigations. Some of the people who've written them

1847
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Speaker 21: have been arrested under the National Security laws, and there's

1848
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Speaker 21: a sort of anger here and fear amongst the government

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Speaker 21: that this could lead to maybe the sort of protests

1850
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Speaker 21: that we saw back in Hong Kong, but we saw

1851
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Speaker 21: in Hong Kong back in twenty eighteen. And this is

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01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 21: coming just ahead of the elections, the Legislative Council elections,

1853
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 21: which are going on this Sunday, So there's real simmering

1854
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,480
Speaker 21: anger and discontent over the whole way this is being handled.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen the photographs of Mody embracing Pool.

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Speaker 21: Well, this is really a consequence Donald Trump. I don't

1857
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 21: think he ever thought that this would be the con

1858
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Speaker 21: you know, he would in effect drive India closer to Russia,

1859
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Speaker 21: also closer to China as well, because he's only just

1860
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Speaker 21: got back from a visit to Beijing. And here we

1861
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Speaker 21: now have Vladimir Putin, who of course is a suspected

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Speaker 21: war criminal, under threat of arrest, arriving in India and

1863
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Speaker 21: embracing Ruendra Modi like this. But you know, India has

1864
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Speaker 21: always sort of sought to try and balance competing interests

1865
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Speaker 21: and keeper a sort of independent foreign policy and make

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Speaker 21: sure that you know, it buys goods and services from

1867
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Speaker 21: all sorts of different countries. But you know, the US

1868
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 21: has slapped fifty percent tariffs on all Indian exports, so

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Speaker 21: it really has no choice at the moment but to gowhere.

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Speaker 21: And Russia has been traditionally for decades now the major

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Speaker 21: supplier to India of defense equipment and arms. So this

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01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 21: is really the consequence of Trump's policies and trade sanctions

1873
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Speaker 21: that is put on India.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fair point to make Peter look after yourself,

1875
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Speaker 3: enjoy your Christmas and thanks very much for your year.

1876
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Speaker 3: That's Peter Lewis, Asia Business correspondent. If you haven't seen,

1877
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Speaker 3: by the way, the pictures of Putin and Mody, I

1878
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 3: was gonna say, Potin and Mody giving each other a hug,

1879
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 3: that's not what's happening. Putin's standing there feeling weird about it.

1880
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Speaker 3: Mody's giving him a hug. It's quite as worth looking.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not the first time it's happened. It

1882
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 3: seems to happen every single time they get together. Mody's

1883
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 3: in their eyes like it, come here, mate, giving him

1884
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Speaker 3: a hug, holding his hand. Putin always always is like

1885
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Speaker 3: like sometimes actually sometimes he does put his arms around Mody.

1886
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Speaker 3: Today he does feel particularly sort of like, well, if.

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Speaker 22: You think about it, do you remember that time that

1888
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 22: Vatimir Putin met with the Manuel McCall and they had

1889
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Speaker 22: to sit at the just opposite ends of this gigantic

1890
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Speaker 22: tape because how much he just didn't want to touch somebody.

1891
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Speaker 22: So this must this must be utter hell for him,

1892
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 22: like not only being that close to a person, because.

1893
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Speaker 3: Because he's he is like my friend isn't he answer?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, No, he definitely does not leave his keys, his

1895
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Speaker 22: toilet paper or anything else in the in the fridge

1896
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Speaker 22: with the pizza.

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Speaker 3: No, hither, you could just leave your keys in the bowl, mate,

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Speaker 3: That's a totally different vibe though, Like I'm not that

1899
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 3: in that case. It's not trying to leaving your keys

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Speaker 3: in the bowl. Is not you trying to remember to

1901
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Speaker 3: take your pizza home. That's staying for the pizza, you

1902
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Speaker 3: know what? You know what I mean? As anyway, from.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather duper Cy Allen and Ma's

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Speaker 2: Motor Vehicle Insurance. Your futures in good hands used talks, it'd.

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Speaker 3: Be might have to give you an update on Nigel

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Speaker 3: Farajan just to take US fourteen away from seven and

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray are UK correspondence with US Logavin hither have

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Speaker 3: so do has this inquiry concluded that potent actually was

1927
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Speaker 3: the one who signed off on that killing?

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Speaker 16: Yes, yeah, so we've had a public inquiry here and

1929
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Speaker 16: you'll remember that assassination attempt on the format Russian spy

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Speaker 16: on English soil in twenty eighteen. His name was Serge

1931
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Speaker 16: scrip Aal. He and his daughter were left seriously ill,

1932
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Speaker 16: along with a police officer who was sent to search

1933
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Speaker 16: their home and they all survived the poison attack. But

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Speaker 16: four months later, just as the city of Salisbury was

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Speaker 16: getting back to normal, a woman died after unwittingly spraying

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Speaker 16: herself with novichok, the poison used by the Russian agents

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Speaker 16: hidden in a perfume bottle found in a bin. The

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Speaker 16: Russian military intelligence officers had basically discarded the bottle in

1939
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Speaker 16: a public bin, this highly poisonous material after their failed mission. Now,

1940
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Speaker 16: the public inquiry said the operation must have been authorized

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Speaker 16: by the very person at the top, and they inquiry

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Speaker 16: their names Vladimir Putin, and that he's morally responsible for

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Speaker 16: the death of the innocent woman, Dawn Sturgis, who died

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Speaker 16: the four months afterwards. The report found there were failings

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Speaker 16: in the management of the former GIU agent, Sergei Scripal. However,

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Speaker 16: it does conclude in the assessment that he wasn't a

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Speaker 16: significant risk of assassination. That was not an unreasonable assumption.

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Speaker 16: Moscow has denied involvement, but the ambassador has been called

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Speaker 16: in and well, I sense it was probably short conversation.

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Speaker 3: Now what are the implications of this pec that's been

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Speaker 3: signed between the UK and Norway?

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Speaker 6: Very interesting?

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Speaker 16: This a recent report said that from MPs said, quite frankly,

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Speaker 16: the UK is not armed or equipped already to fight

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Speaker 16: a war without American help, and more needs to be

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Speaker 16: done to bolster defenses. Now we learn that a deal

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Speaker 16: between the UK and Norway will suggest that they operate

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Speaker 16: a combined fleet to hunt Russian submarines in the North Atlantic.

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Speaker 16: Why well, basically, undersea cables, which British officials say are

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Speaker 16: increasingly under threat from Moscow, are at danger here. There's

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Speaker 16: been a thirty percent rise in Russian vessels spotted in

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Speaker 16: UK waters over the past two years. And under this agreement,

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Speaker 16: the navies from the two native members will operate a

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Speaker 16: fleet of British built Type twenty six frigates. The Prime

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Speaker 16: Minister says this will enhance and strengthen Britain's ability to

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Speaker 16: protect critical infrastructure. Britain heavily reliant on its network of

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Speaker 16: undersea cables that carry data. There are also vital oil

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Speaker 16: and gas pipelines that connect frankly, Europe, but Britain to

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Speaker 16: the North Sea neighbors like Norway, and they're very very

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Speaker 16: wary of some what they call ghost ships that they

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Speaker 16: believe are operated by Russia. But they're not properly sort

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Speaker 16: of authorized by other maritime bodies, and these warships are

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Speaker 16: therefore going to monitor the Russian naval movements in the

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Speaker 16: waters between Greenland, Iceland and the UK, trying to check

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Speaker 16: that those seabed cables and pipelines are okay.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Eurovision. Is this the end of it? Or I

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Speaker 3: can never quite be sure if the boycotts or just

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Speaker 3: like who cares, or like this is actually existential?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I think this is really pretty important. So Ireland, Spain,

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Speaker 16: the Netherlands and Slovenia will boycott the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 16: Eurovision Song Contest, and that is because Israel was allowed

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Speaker 16: to compete last time, and Israel is going to be

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Speaker 16: allowed to compete next year. And they're angry about that

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Speaker 16: because they consider this to be a stand over the

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Speaker 16: appalling loss of lives, as they said in Gaza. Now,

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Speaker 16: the real thing here is that Spain is taking part

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Speaker 16: in that boycott. Spain is one of Eurovision's Big five countries,

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Speaker 16: along with France, Germany, Italy and the UK, and that

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Speaker 16: means that their acts go straight into the final because

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Speaker 16: the broadcasters pay the huge, large, big financial contribution to

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Speaker 16: the budget of the organizers and without Spain, well it'll

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Speaker 16: be interesting to see if they pay.

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Speaker 5: And then if Spain goes.

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Speaker 16: Will one of the others also fall the same way,

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Speaker 16: because without the money, the competition will be in a big,

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Speaker 16: big problem. Israel's president has described this as a very

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Speaker 16: very important gesture of solidarity, brotherhood and cooperation that BBC

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Speaker 16: here in the UK says it will continue to take part,

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Speaker 16: but certainly if another of those Big five, if France

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Speaker 16: or Germany or Italy go, it'll be very different. Germany

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Speaker 16: actually said it would leave in boycott if Israel was

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Speaker 16: told it couldn't take part, so they're not going to

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Speaker 16: do that. The UK not going to do that. France

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Speaker 16: and Italy. I think the focus is on them.

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Speaker 3: Devin, as always, thank you very much and thank you

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Speaker 3: for your contribution throughout the year. We'll talk to you again, Nixy,

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Speaker 3: your merry Christmas to you. That is Devin Gray, our

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Speaker 3: UK correspondent. Okay, listen, the UK coverage of this is

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Speaker 3: the news coverage. The Guardian's news coverage of what a

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Speaker 3: racist little boy Nigel Farage was when he was just

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Speaker 3: out of intermediate school has now gone global because now

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Speaker 3: CNN is reporting it, and I quote Andrew Field recalls

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Speaker 3: how his youth in South London, same place used to

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Speaker 3: hand out a little blue book listening how his school

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Speaker 3: in South London or he used to hand out a

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Speaker 3: little blue book listing all the students enrolled that year.

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Speaker 3: He says, one boy used to go through the book

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Speaker 3: to count how many children had the common English surname

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Speaker 3: Smith and how many had the Indian surname Patel. When

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Speaker 3: there were more Patels and now he's quoted when there

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Speaker 3: were more Patals than Smith's. Field told CNN he made

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Speaker 3: a public ceremony of burning that school role in protest.

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Speaker 3: That former student, remembered by Field as a pompous, isolated

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Speaker 3: loner who enjoyed strutting about in school uniform, grew up

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Speaker 3: to become arguably the most influential politician in Britain this century.

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Speaker 3: Right wing populist Nigel Farage. Oh, basically the implication is

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Speaker 3: he was he was evil. Evil is an old man

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Speaker 3: evil as a young man. I just remind you that

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Speaker 3: the incidents that we're talking about that CNN are quoting

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Speaker 3: quoting Andrew Field about Nigel Farrage was thirteen years old

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Speaker 3: thirteen eight away from seven.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather timper Cy Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio powered by new Talk zby.

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Speaker 3: This is quite funny. I was on the Good Wine

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Speaker 3: dot code on his z website just before because Dale

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Speaker 3: from The Good Wine sent me an email and he

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Speaker 3: was like, can you click on this and just tell

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Speaker 3: me what you blah blah blah whatever, and so I

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Speaker 3: clicked on it. But then the Good Wine it has

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Speaker 3: a little thing that pops up and it says what

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Speaker 3: age are you? Well, you've got to be age verified,

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Speaker 3: and then you click yes I'm over eighteen or yes

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Speaker 3: I'm under eighteen, and I always click yes I'm under

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Speaker 3: eighteen as a hopeful thing, but also because I'm just

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Speaker 3: being dumb, and I clicked it, and do you know

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Speaker 3: what's funny is it goes sorry, kiddo, we can't let

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Speaker 3: you in, and then it redirects you to Susie Cato's

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Speaker 3: website and do you know what, I'm going to see

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Speaker 3: Susie Cato in a week's time. So I was like, oh, excellent,

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Speaker 3: I quite enjoyed. So now I'm huvering from the Good

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Speaker 3: Wine code to Susie Cato. Two icons of New Zealand

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Speaker 3: life and.

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Speaker 22: Not to be combined if you are under eighteen though. Yes,

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Speaker 22: so apparently the keys in the French trick can backfirehither.

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Speaker 22: I've actually had a text through from my mum. Oh,

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Speaker 22: so apparently my nana tried this once. She was like,

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Speaker 22: she had some milk that she'd bought on the way

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Speaker 22: to our house and she needed to take it home,

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Speaker 22: so she put the key next to the milk in

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Speaker 22: the fridge. So obviously you walk out to the car

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Speaker 22: and you go, oh, where are my keys. You're meant

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Speaker 22: to think, oh, right, they're in the fridge next to

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Speaker 22: that milk. I must remember to grab no, But yeah,

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Speaker 22: unfortunately she completely forgot where they were. So mom and

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Speaker 22: dad didn't know where they were. So drove Nana to

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Speaker 22: her house to go get her spare key to the

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Speaker 22: car and then came back and then you know, got

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Speaker 22: the spare key to the car, she drove home, and

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Speaker 22: then at some point somebody looked in the fridge and

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Speaker 22: we're like, oh, hey found them.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean it does require some remaining.

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Speaker 22: Brains, Like you've got to have a few brains, and

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Speaker 22: I was doing a this but yeah, clearly nothing no

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Speaker 22: strategy is foolproof.

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Speaker 3: I'll beat you as around Christmas time because my brain

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Speaker 3: is Friday. Hey listen, So this is my last week

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Speaker 3: on Drive because next week and the week thereafter, because

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Speaker 3: you know, Mike takes a sort of like king break,

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Speaker 3: doesn't he He's like his majesty is on holiday and

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Speaker 3: off he goes, and no one begrudges him because he

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Speaker 3: did work hard all year. But we all have to

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Speaker 3: sort of like whoop towards it anyway, So I had

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Speaker 3: to do two weeks of Breakfast. So can I just

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Speaker 3: say to Laura the German and Ants the Drinker, I

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Speaker 3: don't know he did. He added something at BEV beforeing

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Speaker 3: on the show. And then Sam the Child our child.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for keeping this show ticking over throughout the year. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: you would not believe how much of the work they do,

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Speaker 3: you hear me, but they do so much work behind

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Speaker 3: the scenes. So anyway, think of them thoughts and prayers

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Speaker 3: to them.

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Speaker 22: Thanks Heather, thanks for excellent work this entire year, as

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Speaker 22: you always do. Much appreciate it makes our job very easy.

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Speaker 22: Burned by Elly Golding to play us out tonight, and

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Speaker 22: I don't have time to say why because We're going out.

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Speaker 22: She's got a new album coming out next year.

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Speaker 3: Yay Flatterer, Thank You, Hey, Merry Christmas. To you on

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Speaker 3: the other in the mornings next week, by now.

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Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to

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Speaker 2: news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow

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Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.