1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:12,693 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks EDB. Follow 2 00:00:12,773 --> 00:00:18,733 Speaker 1: this and our Wide Ranger podcast now on iHeartRadio The. 3 00:00:18,573 --> 00:00:22,493 Speaker 2: Big League Podcast League Podcast poet by News Talks V. 4 00:00:23,613 --> 00:00:26,893 Speaker 3: This week on The Big League Podcast, Sports Breathing and 5 00:00:26,973 --> 00:00:30,413 Speaker 3: Mental Skills coach Dave Wood joins to discuss his work 6 00:00:30,413 --> 00:00:33,933 Speaker 3: with the Warriors, the dangers of overbreathing, and strategies you 7 00:00:34,013 --> 00:00:37,333 Speaker 3: can use in everyday life to tackle high pressure situations. 8 00:00:37,773 --> 00:00:40,613 Speaker 3: Michael Burgess and I will preview the Warrior's dreaded visit 9 00:00:40,693 --> 00:00:43,893 Speaker 3: to the Melbourne Storm on Sunday. Can they break a 10 00:00:43,973 --> 00:00:47,653 Speaker 3: losing streak which now dates back a decade? Plus the 11 00:00:47,853 --> 00:00:51,533 Speaker 3: Chance Necklcrook Star And to Mat and Martin departure rumors. 12 00:00:52,013 --> 00:00:55,773 Speaker 3: My name is Nathan Limb. Let's go God b LB. 13 00:00:56,373 --> 00:01:00,853 Speaker 3: It's the week all Warriors fans dread. Amy Park is 14 00:01:00,893 --> 00:01:05,093 Speaker 3: a graveyard of some of the worst Warriors performances in history. 15 00:01:05,333 --> 00:01:08,933 Speaker 3: Are fifty to ten drubbing in twenty eighteen, fifty to 16 00:01:09,013 --> 00:01:15,773 Speaker 3: six hiding in twenty twenty. Amy Park sucks sixteen losses 17 00:01:15,813 --> 00:01:20,613 Speaker 3: in a row, ten long years of frustration. But hang on, 18 00:01:21,093 --> 00:01:24,693 Speaker 3: wait just one second, this is not the same Warriors team. 19 00:01:24,933 --> 00:01:28,893 Speaker 3: As in twenty eighteen or twenty twenty. The Warriors almost 20 00:01:29,013 --> 00:01:33,533 Speaker 3: ended this last year, but for this, in the dying seconds. 21 00:01:33,373 --> 00:01:36,533 Speaker 2: Hughes pasn't Pappenhausen. 22 00:01:35,973 --> 00:01:38,413 Speaker 4: Famous Smith, he goes to lie. 23 00:01:39,973 --> 00:01:42,093 Speaker 2: Ten't you believe that? 24 00:01:43,133 --> 00:01:45,013 Speaker 4: Tuts Michaels. 25 00:01:45,453 --> 00:01:49,653 Speaker 3: He left a kris he chup like a rainbow and 26 00:01:49,773 --> 00:01:50,613 Speaker 3: came up with a. 27 00:01:50,653 --> 00:01:52,653 Speaker 4: Ton of gold some Melbourne. 28 00:01:53,093 --> 00:01:56,493 Speaker 3: I hate that piece of audio. Michael Burgess, Senior in 29 00:01:56,493 --> 00:01:59,533 Speaker 3: New Zealand Herald Rider. I think I've got PDSD from that. 30 00:01:59,613 --> 00:02:02,053 Speaker 3: Can you give us any hope? 31 00:02:03,013 --> 00:02:03,893 Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean how. 32 00:02:05,253 --> 00:02:08,333 Speaker 5: That was one of the most you know, you overuse it, 33 00:02:08,733 --> 00:02:10,733 Speaker 5: but that was one of the most gut wrenching moments 34 00:02:10,773 --> 00:02:15,373 Speaker 5: you've had covering the Warriors because that that match, that 35 00:02:15,693 --> 00:02:17,533 Speaker 5: would have been one of the great Warriors wins. You know, 36 00:02:17,573 --> 00:02:20,773 Speaker 5: they came back in the second half from nowhere, come back, 37 00:02:20,933 --> 00:02:23,693 Speaker 5: played so well. Roger had an amazing game in his 38 00:02:23,933 --> 00:02:26,093 Speaker 5: second game at center Da Da Da da Da. They 39 00:02:26,133 --> 00:02:28,573 Speaker 5: scored some great tries, but then to be undone by 40 00:02:29,013 --> 00:02:31,093 Speaker 5: one of the tries of the century just summed up 41 00:02:31,613 --> 00:02:35,933 Speaker 5: a bit about this this storm streak, because the storm 42 00:02:35,933 --> 00:02:38,173 Speaker 5: had been kind of lucky. They've been lucky because there 43 00:02:38,253 --> 00:02:40,933 Speaker 5: was COVID. So there's three years of COVID where the 44 00:02:40,973 --> 00:02:43,373 Speaker 5: Storm could play the Warriors who were just in this 45 00:02:43,573 --> 00:02:46,213 Speaker 5: array and stuck in Australia, and they've also been lucky. 46 00:02:46,253 --> 00:02:51,453 Speaker 5: I mean, some listeners remember twenty nineteen Stephen Kearney took 47 00:02:51,493 --> 00:02:53,653 Speaker 5: the team there. They basically had the game won and 48 00:02:53,693 --> 00:02:55,813 Speaker 5: the last thing, there's three minutes to go and the 49 00:02:55,853 --> 00:02:59,533 Speaker 5: referee came up with this Cameron Smith, you know, burgot 50 00:02:59,573 --> 00:03:03,133 Speaker 5: a penalty out of nowhere. The referee came up, agreed penalty, 51 00:03:03,653 --> 00:03:05,813 Speaker 5: Storm kicked the goal and the Storm Storm gone to win. 52 00:03:05,973 --> 00:03:10,133 Speaker 5: So but yeah, the streak, it gets a bit tiring 53 00:03:10,173 --> 00:03:12,493 Speaker 5: mate with people talking about it because I think the 54 00:03:12,493 --> 00:03:14,733 Speaker 5: Storm got a lot not making excuses, but the stormer 55 00:03:14,773 --> 00:03:17,053 Speaker 5: got a streak against a lot of teams if you 56 00:03:17,093 --> 00:03:17,973 Speaker 5: look at it, I'd say. 57 00:03:18,493 --> 00:03:21,293 Speaker 4: But the main thing is no team has played the 58 00:03:21,373 --> 00:03:25,453 Speaker 4: Storm as much in an ANZAC game as the Warriors. 59 00:03:25,493 --> 00:03:26,613 Speaker 4: That bloody Anzac. 60 00:03:26,773 --> 00:03:29,173 Speaker 5: They played at ten o'clock at night, which is midnight 61 00:03:29,213 --> 00:03:32,933 Speaker 5: New Zealand time. Warriors like possums in the headlights. They 62 00:03:32,973 --> 00:03:35,933 Speaker 5: invariably got beaten. Like you mentioned twenty eighteen and said 63 00:03:35,933 --> 00:03:37,933 Speaker 5: this is not the team we had in twenty eighteen. 64 00:03:38,333 --> 00:03:41,333 Speaker 5: That was a good team in twenty eighteen they made 65 00:03:41,373 --> 00:03:45,173 Speaker 5: the finals, they were two points off the minor premiership 66 00:03:45,173 --> 00:03:46,853 Speaker 5: and a really good team and they still got smoke. 67 00:03:46,973 --> 00:03:49,893 Speaker 5: So yeah, I agree with what you're saying, mate. It's 68 00:03:49,973 --> 00:03:53,533 Speaker 5: just there's a massive sense of trepidation whenever the Warriors 69 00:03:53,533 --> 00:03:54,333 Speaker 5: go to Melbourne. 70 00:03:54,653 --> 00:03:58,653 Speaker 3: Now, curiously, after the two points from the by the 71 00:03:58,693 --> 00:04:02,053 Speaker 3: Storm and the Warriors actually sit neck and neck third 72 00:04:02,133 --> 00:04:05,853 Speaker 3: and fourth on the table, both on eight points, three wins, 73 00:04:06,253 --> 00:04:09,733 Speaker 3: one loss. The Storm coming off a forty eight to 74 00:04:09,893 --> 00:04:13,453 Speaker 3: twenty four drubbing of the Sea Eagles at brook Vale over. 75 00:04:13,533 --> 00:04:15,213 Speaker 3: We thought the Seagules were going to be really good 76 00:04:15,213 --> 00:04:18,213 Speaker 3: this year. They seem not to be living up to 77 00:04:18,253 --> 00:04:21,733 Speaker 3: expectations at this point. But the Storm putting on forty 78 00:04:22,133 --> 00:04:25,933 Speaker 3: eight points and in this game a highlight for New 79 00:04:26,013 --> 00:04:29,573 Speaker 3: Zealand's watches and interests for New Zealand sevens playing Moses 80 00:04:29,653 --> 00:04:33,533 Speaker 3: Leo actually debuted for them at center on the weekendam 81 00:04:33,813 --> 00:04:35,813 Speaker 3: Craig Balamy, the coach, saying afterwards that he did a 82 00:04:35,893 --> 00:04:39,373 Speaker 3: very good job. The other point is Jerome Hughes, who 83 00:04:39,493 --> 00:04:43,653 Speaker 3: was fantastic, had surgery on his hand only two weeks ago, 84 00:04:43,933 --> 00:04:46,413 Speaker 3: fractured his hand he had Sujeri only two weeks ago, 85 00:04:46,893 --> 00:04:52,533 Speaker 3: makes a remarkable, miraculous recovery and puts on two triasists. 86 00:04:52,773 --> 00:04:54,893 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think there's any other team in 87 00:04:54,893 --> 00:04:57,893 Speaker 5: Australasia that's as good at the Storm in the first 88 00:04:57,933 --> 00:05:00,613 Speaker 5: three terse three months of a season. You know, in 89 00:05:00,653 --> 00:05:03,333 Speaker 5: any sport, they just they just nail it from the 90 00:05:03,373 --> 00:05:05,333 Speaker 5: start of the season. They got that crazy record Round one. 91 00:05:05,373 --> 00:05:07,293 Speaker 5: They haven't lost a Round one game, or maybe there 92 00:05:07,333 --> 00:05:10,453 Speaker 5: was one in about in about twelve. They're just amazing 93 00:05:10,613 --> 00:05:12,493 Speaker 5: at the start of the season, and the last few 94 00:05:12,573 --> 00:05:14,413 Speaker 5: years they have fallen away but towards the end. So 95 00:05:15,373 --> 00:05:17,373 Speaker 5: it's a it's a really tough assignment to go there. 96 00:05:18,613 --> 00:05:22,093 Speaker 5: And you make a good point about Leo, like, is 97 00:05:22,133 --> 00:05:24,693 Speaker 5: there another club anywhere, not just a league, but in 98 00:05:24,733 --> 00:05:30,253 Speaker 5: other sports that just unearthed these diamonds out of out 99 00:05:30,293 --> 00:05:32,293 Speaker 5: of nowhere that no one else sees or no one 100 00:05:32,293 --> 00:05:35,253 Speaker 5: else spots, or other teams do spot them but don't 101 00:05:35,293 --> 00:05:38,333 Speaker 5: have the confidence to try and try it out, and 102 00:05:38,653 --> 00:05:41,013 Speaker 5: looks like they've done it again. I mean, that's a 103 00:05:41,253 --> 00:05:43,813 Speaker 5: that's a difficult place to make your debut at Brookvale Oval, 104 00:05:44,773 --> 00:05:47,493 Speaker 5: but very promising start by Leo, as you say, and 105 00:05:47,653 --> 00:05:48,013 Speaker 5: you know. 106 00:05:48,093 --> 00:05:48,773 Speaker 4: Look what they do. 107 00:05:48,973 --> 00:05:53,093 Speaker 5: With will Wallbrick as well, turned them into a into 108 00:05:53,133 --> 00:05:57,013 Speaker 5: an elite winger in the game. So they're they're their 109 00:05:57,013 --> 00:06:00,933 Speaker 5: recruitment and everything they do is just amazing. And then 110 00:06:01,013 --> 00:06:04,813 Speaker 5: on the field, the patterns are play. The patterns are play. 111 00:06:04,893 --> 00:06:08,813 Speaker 5: You know, they just like remember when I remember when 112 00:06:08,813 --> 00:06:13,173 Speaker 5: Cameron Smith retired in we thought, oh well, okay, that's 113 00:06:13,213 --> 00:06:15,333 Speaker 5: sort of the end of that Storm chapter. 114 00:06:15,373 --> 00:06:18,653 Speaker 4: There won't be as good. Now, Wow, what happened to that? 115 00:06:19,853 --> 00:06:24,333 Speaker 3: Harry Grant? Harry Grant came along and well he's tearing 116 00:06:24,333 --> 00:06:26,093 Speaker 3: it up as well. And you talked about the development 117 00:06:26,093 --> 00:06:29,973 Speaker 3: system and that is you know, a point straight to that. 118 00:06:30,093 --> 00:06:32,133 Speaker 6: I did I assume he camp? Did he come up 119 00:06:32,133 --> 00:06:34,293 Speaker 6: through the Melbourne development system more or less? 120 00:06:34,293 --> 00:06:36,693 Speaker 5: I mean, he comes through Queensland, but they have relationships 121 00:06:36,693 --> 00:06:39,453 Speaker 5: with the Queensland clubs, so then he came to Melbourne 122 00:06:39,453 --> 00:06:41,093 Speaker 5: when he's pretty young. He got loaned out to the 123 00:06:41,133 --> 00:06:43,533 Speaker 5: Tigers for a season, did really well with them and 124 00:06:43,573 --> 00:06:46,533 Speaker 5: then came back to Melbourne and just so he's been amazing. 125 00:06:46,613 --> 00:06:49,013 Speaker 5: He is the key to their team. But you talk 126 00:06:49,013 --> 00:06:50,973 Speaker 5: about reasons for the Warriors to have hope. I mean, 127 00:06:50,973 --> 00:06:53,813 Speaker 5: the Warriors are playing well, and a reason for hope, 128 00:06:53,813 --> 00:06:55,773 Speaker 5: I would say, is that they're quite resilient the last 129 00:06:55,773 --> 00:06:58,453 Speaker 5: three games, so they do they do stay in the contest. 130 00:06:58,773 --> 00:07:02,013 Speaker 5: But the Storm they've got so many ways to hurt you. 131 00:07:02,013 --> 00:07:03,973 Speaker 5: You know, They've got Pace out wide. They've got Grant, 132 00:07:04,013 --> 00:07:07,213 Speaker 5: who's the best dummy half in the game, always finds weaknesses. 133 00:07:08,333 --> 00:07:10,933 Speaker 5: I've got Munster, and then they've got guys at Aligatura 134 00:07:11,013 --> 00:07:11,453 Speaker 5: on the edge. 135 00:07:11,493 --> 00:07:11,693 Speaker 7: You know. 136 00:07:11,813 --> 00:07:14,253 Speaker 4: So they've got Pappenhausen. 137 00:07:14,293 --> 00:07:15,293 Speaker 6: Shouldn't he be injured? 138 00:07:16,573 --> 00:07:18,853 Speaker 4: You can't say that, wow, I just did. 139 00:07:20,453 --> 00:07:22,453 Speaker 3: You should worries that I'm lucky they're actually having to 140 00:07:22,493 --> 00:07:22,933 Speaker 3: play them. 141 00:07:23,373 --> 00:07:25,813 Speaker 5: I know, it's just wonderful that he's back, because, yeah, 142 00:07:25,813 --> 00:07:30,733 Speaker 5: if any guy deserves a run without injuries. But I 143 00:07:30,773 --> 00:07:32,653 Speaker 5: look at this game in a different way. I won't 144 00:07:32,733 --> 00:07:36,293 Speaker 5: be guarded if the Warriors don't win. I'll be guarded 145 00:07:36,293 --> 00:07:39,013 Speaker 5: if they don't perform to their potential because I don't 146 00:07:39,053 --> 00:07:41,173 Speaker 5: have I don't have high expectations of the Warriors winning 147 00:07:41,173 --> 00:07:43,173 Speaker 5: because they beat the Storm in Melbourne, especially the way 148 00:07:43,173 --> 00:07:45,773 Speaker 5: they're Storm playing now. It takes a lot. It takes 149 00:07:45,813 --> 00:07:47,173 Speaker 5: a lot to go away. You've got to get some 150 00:07:47,213 --> 00:07:48,893 Speaker 5: calls to go away. You got a lot to go away. 151 00:07:48,933 --> 00:07:49,773 Speaker 5: So it might not happen. 152 00:07:50,093 --> 00:07:50,613 Speaker 4: But if it's a. 153 00:07:50,573 --> 00:07:53,373 Speaker 5: Close game and they play well, then that's something to 154 00:07:53,373 --> 00:07:54,973 Speaker 5: build on, you know what I mean. I'm not I'm 155 00:07:55,013 --> 00:07:59,533 Speaker 5: not making excuses already, but it's just about being being 156 00:07:59,573 --> 00:08:02,293 Speaker 5: being realistic to a degree. I mean, the players and 157 00:08:02,293 --> 00:08:04,213 Speaker 5: Andrew Ribs won't be thinking like this, will be thinking 158 00:08:04,373 --> 00:08:05,813 Speaker 5: we can beat them, and we're going to beat them. 159 00:08:05,813 --> 00:08:08,333 Speaker 4: But I'm just trying to be a bit more detached. 160 00:08:08,773 --> 00:08:12,293 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, and I think years and years as a 161 00:08:12,293 --> 00:08:13,973 Speaker 6: Warriors fan will do that to you. Bird. 162 00:08:14,453 --> 00:08:17,093 Speaker 3: But let's bring up a positivity into this. Because the 163 00:08:17,173 --> 00:08:20,413 Speaker 3: last time the Warriors beat the Storm was it Mount Smart. 164 00:08:20,413 --> 00:08:23,493 Speaker 3: It was in twenty fifteen, and this happened. 165 00:08:24,533 --> 00:08:29,853 Speaker 4: Lass. Here's a glass and he came down, turn it 166 00:08:29,933 --> 00:08:35,493 Speaker 4: out to the clean cut, shut down the tackle shop. 167 00:08:35,533 --> 00:08:45,613 Speaker 4: Somep's go getting back. Look, he gets a good lead 168 00:08:45,653 --> 00:08:48,053 Speaker 4: into it. He says, I'm gonna go like he leaves 169 00:08:48,413 --> 00:08:49,093 Speaker 4: on the top. 170 00:08:50,093 --> 00:08:51,053 Speaker 8: This to the wall. 171 00:08:51,733 --> 00:08:52,693 Speaker 6: Not a friend. 172 00:08:52,773 --> 00:08:55,653 Speaker 8: That may be the greatest place of gymnastics might feel 173 00:08:55,693 --> 00:08:57,533 Speaker 8: like you've ever say I love. 174 00:08:57,333 --> 00:09:00,133 Speaker 6: It the Nathan Friend backflip try. 175 00:09:00,213 --> 00:09:03,413 Speaker 3: Who can forget I remember watching that on Talley when 176 00:09:03,453 --> 00:09:05,613 Speaker 3: I was just a wee whipper snapper birds. You're probably 177 00:09:05,653 --> 00:09:10,133 Speaker 3: in your early sixties. Yeah, just I wasn't at that match. 178 00:09:10,613 --> 00:09:13,173 Speaker 3: Like I've covered the Warriors, I probably covered one hundred 179 00:09:13,173 --> 00:09:16,333 Speaker 3: and fifty matches at Mount Smart since twenty ten. And 180 00:09:16,373 --> 00:09:17,733 Speaker 3: I'm going to have to I have to ask my 181 00:09:17,773 --> 00:09:20,973 Speaker 3: wife because sure, remember why that was like July twenty fifteen. 182 00:09:21,413 --> 00:09:23,173 Speaker 5: Why I wasn't it that game? There must have been 183 00:09:23,293 --> 00:09:24,893 Speaker 5: you know, I didn't have COVID, it was five years 184 00:09:24,933 --> 00:09:27,133 Speaker 5: before that. There must have been a reason. But the 185 00:09:27,173 --> 00:09:30,213 Speaker 5: most special thing about that try, well there's two special 186 00:09:30,213 --> 00:09:33,093 Speaker 5: things about it. But one was it actually made the 187 00:09:33,373 --> 00:09:36,613 Speaker 5: ESPN Plays of the Week, So you know ESPN have 188 00:09:36,733 --> 00:09:38,733 Speaker 5: that worldwide Plays of the Week, the top ten Players 189 00:09:38,773 --> 00:09:41,173 Speaker 5: of the Week that was on that ESPN. 190 00:09:40,893 --> 00:09:41,333 Speaker 6: It was on it. 191 00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:43,093 Speaker 4: It was like number two or three. I mean, it's 192 00:09:43,173 --> 00:09:46,093 Speaker 4: just like incredible that it just went. It just went 193 00:09:46,173 --> 00:09:48,333 Speaker 4: viral and we're around the world. And the other special 194 00:09:48,373 --> 00:09:50,973 Speaker 4: thing was the game the Warriors. 195 00:09:51,333 --> 00:09:53,053 Speaker 5: Anyone wants to go back when they've got time this 196 00:09:53,133 --> 00:09:55,093 Speaker 5: week and watch that highlights of that game on YouTube. 197 00:09:55,133 --> 00:09:57,733 Speaker 5: The Warriors scored five amazing tries in that game. They 198 00:09:57,973 --> 00:10:01,573 Speaker 5: blew the Storm away, and you thought, Wow, this Warrior's team. 199 00:10:01,573 --> 00:10:04,293 Speaker 5: They're going to go places this year. That win put 200 00:10:04,293 --> 00:10:06,173 Speaker 5: them into the top four and it was like, shit, 201 00:10:06,173 --> 00:10:08,093 Speaker 5: they've beaten the Storm in the top four, they're playing 202 00:10:08,093 --> 00:10:11,293 Speaker 5: them and this is great. What happened one week or 203 00:10:11,293 --> 00:10:14,493 Speaker 5: two weeks later, Sean Johnson breaks his ankle against Many 204 00:10:15,413 --> 00:10:18,093 Speaker 5: and the season just you know, because he was so 205 00:10:18,133 --> 00:10:20,453 Speaker 5: important back then. He was he was in the form 206 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:22,733 Speaker 5: of his life as well, and the season just tailed 207 00:10:22,733 --> 00:10:26,373 Speaker 5: off from there. So that's another another real what might 208 00:10:26,413 --> 00:10:28,693 Speaker 5: have been I think for the Warriors that that moment 209 00:10:28,773 --> 00:10:30,173 Speaker 5: with Sean Johnson. 210 00:10:30,653 --> 00:10:33,453 Speaker 3: Up next, we'll discuss the Chancellicker Cook start and to 211 00:10:33,613 --> 00:10:36,813 Speaker 3: Mighty and Martin departure rumors, and afterwards we're going to 212 00:10:36,853 --> 00:10:42,293 Speaker 3: hear from Breathing and Mental Skills coach Dave Wood the right. 213 00:10:42,893 --> 00:10:45,653 Speaker 3: A couple of rumors are going around Burge, which I'm 214 00:10:45,693 --> 00:10:47,853 Speaker 3: going to get you to explain regarding Charles Decker Cook 215 00:10:47,893 --> 00:10:52,573 Speaker 3: start and Tomighty Martin and potentially leaving to the UK. 216 00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:56,333 Speaker 3: Charles Decker Cook Start will start with him getting some 217 00:10:56,413 --> 00:10:59,733 Speaker 3: interest from Catalan's Dragons. None of this has been confirmed. 218 00:10:59,773 --> 00:11:02,973 Speaker 3: Can you sort of explain each situation will start with Chance, 219 00:11:03,133 --> 00:11:03,733 Speaker 3: what's going on. 220 00:11:03,933 --> 00:11:06,613 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was quite a surprise. I mean, my friend 221 00:11:06,933 --> 00:11:09,173 Speaker 5: Michael Corianas and Sydney the story. I was a bit 222 00:11:09,173 --> 00:11:11,493 Speaker 5: annoyed because the story I should be I should be breaking. 223 00:11:11,493 --> 00:11:18,213 Speaker 5: But these things happened, you know. But good story because 224 00:11:18,413 --> 00:11:20,853 Speaker 5: came out of the blue to a degree. But yeah, 225 00:11:20,853 --> 00:11:25,613 Speaker 5: he's basically he's considering his options. There's a contract extension 226 00:11:25,653 --> 00:11:28,773 Speaker 5: on the table from the Warriors. I understand it's two years. 227 00:11:28,773 --> 00:11:32,453 Speaker 5: So his contract of course is up at the end 228 00:11:32,453 --> 00:11:35,773 Speaker 5: of next season, no, the end of this season, sorry, 229 00:11:36,093 --> 00:11:39,573 Speaker 5: and there's an extension on the table. But he is 230 00:11:39,613 --> 00:11:42,613 Speaker 5: considering his options, and one of those is, you know, 231 00:11:42,653 --> 00:11:44,413 Speaker 5: there's a little bit of interest around the ERL but 232 00:11:44,493 --> 00:11:48,333 Speaker 5: there's a there's strong interest from Super League. 233 00:11:48,333 --> 00:11:50,253 Speaker 4: It's reported to be the Kaitlyn Dragons and France. 234 00:11:50,293 --> 00:11:53,933 Speaker 5: Great lifestyle so you know, without having talked to Chance 235 00:11:53,933 --> 00:11:57,813 Speaker 5: about this yet, I guess there'd be a strong lifestyle appeal. 236 00:11:58,453 --> 00:12:01,813 Speaker 5: Taking his family to Europe the foot he would of 237 00:12:01,853 --> 00:12:05,053 Speaker 5: course be a bit a bit less physically demanding on 238 00:12:05,093 --> 00:12:07,453 Speaker 5: the body, although they played a lot of games. But 239 00:12:07,533 --> 00:12:09,693 Speaker 5: it's a really interesting because you know, he's been such 240 00:12:09,733 --> 00:12:11,013 Speaker 5: an important player for the Warriors. 241 00:12:11,013 --> 00:12:14,133 Speaker 4: He's twenty nine. He's the kind of guy that has 242 00:12:14,133 --> 00:12:15,653 Speaker 4: probably got a couple more years in him. 243 00:12:15,733 --> 00:12:18,733 Speaker 5: But then also the way he plays, he plays so tough, 244 00:12:19,613 --> 00:12:23,933 Speaker 5: so hard, so many carries, it will add up, and yeah, 245 00:12:24,013 --> 00:12:26,813 Speaker 5: who knows until three years. In three years time, he 246 00:12:26,893 --> 00:12:29,293 Speaker 5: might not have what he's got now. So it's a tricky, 247 00:12:30,173 --> 00:12:31,493 Speaker 5: tricky situation for everyone. 248 00:12:31,493 --> 00:12:34,093 Speaker 3: I would have thought this one sort of surprised me 249 00:12:34,133 --> 00:12:36,293 Speaker 3: a little bit more just because Chance has a really 250 00:12:37,613 --> 00:12:40,293 Speaker 3: you know, front and center role with the Warriors. It's 251 00:12:40,333 --> 00:12:42,533 Speaker 3: not like he's struggling for game time at all. But 252 00:12:42,613 --> 00:12:45,453 Speaker 3: you make a good point in terms of his agent 253 00:12:45,493 --> 00:12:47,373 Speaker 3: wanting to make the most of what he has now, 254 00:12:47,373 --> 00:12:49,013 Speaker 3: because you're right, the amount of work that he does 255 00:12:49,133 --> 00:12:51,413 Speaker 3: get through on the Warriors, which you know he receives 256 00:12:51,453 --> 00:12:53,893 Speaker 3: a lot of praise for, he might be thinking it's 257 00:12:53,933 --> 00:12:57,133 Speaker 3: time to cash. Is the money that much better over there, 258 00:12:57,133 --> 00:12:59,093 Speaker 3: because the money's not bad in the NRL. 259 00:12:59,293 --> 00:13:01,493 Speaker 4: No, No, the money's a lot better in the NRL. 260 00:13:01,773 --> 00:13:06,013 Speaker 5: So you know, the salary cap off the top of 261 00:13:06,053 --> 00:13:09,853 Speaker 5: my head, the NERL salary cap is about twelve million. 262 00:13:09,893 --> 00:13:12,813 Speaker 5: Now the Super League Sello crab is about two million, 263 00:13:12,933 --> 00:13:16,933 Speaker 5: so why go Well, but there are these marquee deals, 264 00:13:16,933 --> 00:13:19,533 Speaker 5: so he must be getting a market deal, so the 265 00:13:19,573 --> 00:13:22,973 Speaker 5: money's comparable. And then there's lifestyle and the different change 266 00:13:23,013 --> 00:13:26,453 Speaker 5: and living in Europe and all those sort of things. 267 00:13:27,773 --> 00:13:28,573 Speaker 5: It's not a Dune deal. 268 00:13:28,653 --> 00:13:31,453 Speaker 4: I think it's just a case of assessing his market value. 269 00:13:31,533 --> 00:13:33,973 Speaker 5: It would be a surprise to me because he seems 270 00:13:33,973 --> 00:13:35,773 Speaker 5: to love it at the Warriors. He's given so much 271 00:13:35,773 --> 00:13:38,493 Speaker 5: to that team. The team's on the cusp of hopefully 272 00:13:38,493 --> 00:13:42,533 Speaker 5: developing into something the couple of years, and he'd be 273 00:13:42,613 --> 00:13:44,813 Speaker 5: quite hard to replace. I mean, they have got Taine 274 00:13:45,453 --> 00:13:48,493 Speaker 5: who's an excellent player, so he'd be the first one 275 00:13:48,533 --> 00:13:51,173 Speaker 5: to look at. But you think that also, I don't 276 00:13:51,213 --> 00:13:53,453 Speaker 5: know would they would they bring in someone else as well, 277 00:13:53,533 --> 00:13:56,693 Speaker 5: so have that sort of two fullback situation. So yeah, 278 00:13:56,773 --> 00:13:59,613 Speaker 5: we'll have to see how it develops to Marty. 279 00:13:59,693 --> 00:14:03,493 Speaker 3: Martin's one apparently has got interest from a Super League club. 280 00:14:03,533 --> 00:14:07,493 Speaker 3: This one's a lot more wishy washy from what I've seen. 281 00:14:07,893 --> 00:14:10,733 Speaker 3: Do you know what the situation is? Well, the situation 282 00:14:10,893 --> 00:14:13,533 Speaker 3: is kind of similar. I mean, so's not similar. 283 00:14:13,533 --> 00:14:16,693 Speaker 5: You're right, it's different because since he was overlooked for 284 00:14:16,733 --> 00:14:19,373 Speaker 5: the starting booth, obviously his agent's been looking around. Because 285 00:14:19,613 --> 00:14:22,173 Speaker 5: the problem for Demarty is he could be playing in 286 00:14:22,213 --> 00:14:25,293 Speaker 5: two weeks if Metcalf or Chanell gets injured, for example, 287 00:14:25,293 --> 00:14:28,213 Speaker 5: in Melbourne, or he could be waiting till round twenty 288 00:14:28,293 --> 00:14:30,693 Speaker 5: if no one gets injured. In the form is judged 289 00:14:30,693 --> 00:14:32,293 Speaker 5: to be good enough that they stay in the team, 290 00:14:32,333 --> 00:14:36,253 Speaker 5: you know, and he is an NRL quality half, isn't he? 291 00:14:36,333 --> 00:14:39,293 Speaker 5: So what does he do? I mean, the last two 292 00:14:39,333 --> 00:14:41,453 Speaker 5: seasons he's got time in the team. He did really well, 293 00:14:42,093 --> 00:14:44,853 Speaker 5: really tricky. Agents been looking around. There is some interest 294 00:14:44,893 --> 00:14:47,613 Speaker 5: his interest from Super League, which could mean one of 295 00:14:47,613 --> 00:14:51,453 Speaker 5: those fairly immediate releases, you know, where he goes in 296 00:14:51,493 --> 00:14:56,133 Speaker 5: May or June, or he might choose to stay. I mean, 297 00:14:58,373 --> 00:15:00,693 Speaker 5: what would you do if you were him? And also 298 00:15:00,413 --> 00:15:01,973 Speaker 5: what do you think the club should do. 299 00:15:02,293 --> 00:15:05,173 Speaker 3: I wouldn't blame her if he left, because you're right, 300 00:15:05,293 --> 00:15:09,733 Speaker 3: he's a quality NRL half back and you know last 301 00:15:09,773 --> 00:15:11,293 Speaker 3: year I was given the way he was playing, I 302 00:15:11,293 --> 00:15:13,453 Speaker 3: was thinking he should be our primary half back. 303 00:15:13,733 --> 00:15:15,453 Speaker 6: He was really he was playing that well. 304 00:15:15,493 --> 00:15:17,693 Speaker 5: You said, Actually one point, I think he said he 305 00:15:17,693 --> 00:15:20,053 Speaker 5: should be half over over Sean. 306 00:15:20,453 --> 00:15:20,693 Speaker 4: Yeah. 307 00:15:20,933 --> 00:15:25,133 Speaker 3: I stand by that, given Sean's injuries, the fact he 308 00:15:25,373 --> 00:15:28,653 Speaker 3: had struggled so much to find that partnership with Timmarti Martin. 309 00:15:28,693 --> 00:15:30,333 Speaker 3: At that point in the season, the worlds are running 310 00:15:30,333 --> 00:15:33,013 Speaker 3: out of games to get points, and Tomato Martin and 311 00:15:33,053 --> 00:15:35,733 Speaker 3: she now has to beatable working Sean Johnson and Timmarti 312 00:15:35,773 --> 00:15:37,933 Speaker 3: Martin weren't. So at that point, yeah, I was like, 313 00:15:38,213 --> 00:15:41,133 Speaker 3: we should invest in what's actually working because we don't 314 00:15:41,133 --> 00:15:44,093 Speaker 3: have enough time for Sean Johnson and Timartiy Mattin to 315 00:15:44,133 --> 00:15:47,973 Speaker 3: find the fluidity with their partnership. So if I was him, 316 00:15:48,013 --> 00:15:51,013 Speaker 3: and you know, obviously you know you're capable of his 317 00:15:51,213 --> 00:15:54,573 Speaker 3: level of experience and he's just not, it just seems 318 00:15:54,613 --> 00:15:56,893 Speaker 3: like they are going to invest in Metcalf, which from 319 00:15:56,933 --> 00:15:59,653 Speaker 3: a club perspective, I think is, you know, at this point, 320 00:15:59,773 --> 00:16:02,253 Speaker 3: it's a sound strategy. Metcalff's young, He's got so much talent. 321 00:16:02,493 --> 00:16:05,573 Speaker 3: There's so much ceiling with what Metcalf could achieve. So 322 00:16:05,613 --> 00:16:07,773 Speaker 3: if I'm to Marty, I'm going, well, I could be 323 00:16:07,853 --> 00:16:11,813 Speaker 3: valued much higher somewhere else rather than just playing reserve 324 00:16:11,813 --> 00:16:13,773 Speaker 3: grade every week or yeah. 325 00:16:13,813 --> 00:16:16,333 Speaker 5: All I would say is that Andrew webs this is 326 00:16:16,373 --> 00:16:21,733 Speaker 5: his first His first preference at the moment is is 327 00:16:21,813 --> 00:16:26,053 Speaker 5: Metcalfe and Harris de Bet. But I don't think it's 328 00:16:26,053 --> 00:16:28,653 Speaker 5: completely locked in. You know, that's that's what he wants 329 00:16:28,693 --> 00:16:31,653 Speaker 5: to use. But they haven't shown yet that they are 330 00:16:31,693 --> 00:16:34,693 Speaker 5: the pair to guide this team for the rest of 331 00:16:34,733 --> 00:16:37,773 Speaker 5: the season. They've shown glimpses, but I think the next 332 00:16:37,813 --> 00:16:39,693 Speaker 5: tour three weeks to be very interesting and that that 333 00:16:39,773 --> 00:16:42,853 Speaker 5: will also add into this chick saw. 334 00:16:43,333 --> 00:16:49,853 Speaker 2: This is the Big League Podcast. This is going yeah, 335 00:16:50,373 --> 00:16:53,613 Speaker 2: the Big League Podcast. I'm on the Warriors bandwagon since 336 00:16:53,733 --> 00:16:54,213 Speaker 2: day one. 337 00:16:54,373 --> 00:16:57,253 Speaker 3: It is my pleasure to welcome into the Big League 338 00:16:57,453 --> 00:17:01,173 Speaker 3: Podcast a man named Dave Wood. Now Dave Wood is 339 00:17:01,213 --> 00:17:04,693 Speaker 3: best known as Israel Disna's breathing coach, but he's also 340 00:17:04,813 --> 00:17:08,333 Speaker 3: worked with the Warriors, last year squash champion Paul Coleson, 341 00:17:08,373 --> 00:17:11,773 Speaker 3: super rugby players, New Zealand Breakers, Emirates Team New Zealand, 342 00:17:11,853 --> 00:17:17,213 Speaker 3: sailors and athletes from across the spectrum of sports. Dave, 343 00:17:17,493 --> 00:17:19,613 Speaker 3: thank you so much for taking the time to be 344 00:17:19,693 --> 00:17:20,253 Speaker 3: on the podcast. 345 00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:22,013 Speaker 6: How are you good mate? 346 00:17:22,013 --> 00:17:22,973 Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on, Lavan. 347 00:17:23,613 --> 00:17:26,653 Speaker 3: Could we start, I guess by you just explaining what 348 00:17:26,813 --> 00:17:29,893 Speaker 3: it is that you do and how it links into 349 00:17:30,253 --> 00:17:32,973 Speaker 3: high performance sport. How did you get yourself into this 350 00:17:33,533 --> 00:17:36,733 Speaker 3: position where you run a business and you're breathing coach? 351 00:17:37,813 --> 00:17:39,933 Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to call me a breathing coach. 352 00:17:41,053 --> 00:17:44,013 Speaker 8: I guess, like how what I would explain I'll do 353 00:17:44,053 --> 00:17:46,773 Speaker 8: is mental skill development and that encompasses so many different 354 00:17:46,813 --> 00:17:49,053 Speaker 8: things and the breathing is a big part of that, 355 00:17:49,173 --> 00:17:51,533 Speaker 8: but it's only one part of the piece of the puzzle. 356 00:17:51,573 --> 00:17:53,173 Speaker 7: And my background is. 357 00:17:53,613 --> 00:17:56,293 Speaker 8: Thirty years of working as an intensive care paramedic, so 358 00:17:56,893 --> 00:17:59,293 Speaker 8: you know, having to have those skills of stress to 359 00:17:59,293 --> 00:18:03,853 Speaker 8: be able to perform pretty high stressified pressure environments and 360 00:18:03,893 --> 00:18:07,813 Speaker 8: then bringing that knowledge over into now working with athletes, 361 00:18:08,493 --> 00:18:14,733 Speaker 8: corporate professionals, emergency services, and yeah, that most of the 362 00:18:14,773 --> 00:18:17,493 Speaker 8: training is around mental skill development. 363 00:18:18,533 --> 00:18:21,053 Speaker 3: So can you talk us through I guess what the 364 00:18:21,173 --> 00:18:23,373 Speaker 3: training is, how breathing ties into it. 365 00:18:23,413 --> 00:18:25,413 Speaker 6: What is it you do with athletes? 366 00:18:26,253 --> 00:18:27,093 Speaker 7: Yeah? I think I might. 367 00:18:27,213 --> 00:18:30,373 Speaker 8: Really my genius owner is understanding or being able to 368 00:18:30,413 --> 00:18:34,013 Speaker 8: meet people where they are at, understand their background or 369 00:18:34,013 --> 00:18:36,893 Speaker 8: their past and where they're going, and helping with them 370 00:18:36,933 --> 00:18:41,013 Speaker 8: with that. In terms of improving their what I call 371 00:18:41,053 --> 00:18:43,893 Speaker 8: the skills of stress or being having better self regulation 372 00:18:43,973 --> 00:18:47,133 Speaker 8: and self awareness, so interests and pressure moments, they are 373 00:18:47,413 --> 00:18:50,213 Speaker 8: able to be more clear and focus and execute when 374 00:18:50,213 --> 00:18:53,133 Speaker 8: it matters. And again that comes to such a broad 375 00:18:53,213 --> 00:18:55,893 Speaker 8: range of things, you know, mental skills, confidence, self awareness. 376 00:18:56,133 --> 00:18:58,893 Speaker 8: We do a lot of meditation, thought control, reframing. We 377 00:18:58,973 --> 00:19:03,293 Speaker 8: bring in methods that these athletes can use in really 378 00:19:03,373 --> 00:19:07,213 Speaker 8: dynamic situations that give them better psychological control of stress 379 00:19:07,213 --> 00:19:09,973 Speaker 8: and better physical controls roll of stress, and then a 380 00:19:10,013 --> 00:19:12,533 Speaker 8: whole another part of that is getting them to identify 381 00:19:12,613 --> 00:19:15,093 Speaker 8: their values and aligning that with their vision and goal 382 00:19:15,173 --> 00:19:19,053 Speaker 8: setting is so important. Energy controlling out of ship from 383 00:19:19,053 --> 00:19:21,693 Speaker 8: an energized to a calm state rapidly and on demand, 384 00:19:22,853 --> 00:19:27,693 Speaker 8: and you know, to give Like I guess a practical 385 00:19:28,053 --> 00:19:30,613 Speaker 8: situation would be an athlete in the game who makes 386 00:19:30,653 --> 00:19:35,813 Speaker 8: a mistake and then brings that that into the next play. 387 00:19:35,853 --> 00:19:38,333 Speaker 8: And so how do we you know, lead that in 388 00:19:38,333 --> 00:19:41,613 Speaker 8: the past and then move on and not bring that 389 00:19:41,653 --> 00:19:44,173 Speaker 8: into the next play. So these are all skills that 390 00:19:44,253 --> 00:19:47,293 Speaker 8: can be used in really dynamic situations. But actually you 391 00:19:47,333 --> 00:19:49,853 Speaker 8: need to train this every day. It needs to be 392 00:19:49,893 --> 00:19:52,573 Speaker 8: part of the training system. And you know, if you 393 00:19:52,613 --> 00:19:55,573 Speaker 8: take most athletes are they training breathing? This is a 394 00:19:55,693 --> 00:19:58,173 Speaker 8: body system that if you're not training, you're leaving a 395 00:19:58,173 --> 00:20:01,493 Speaker 8: lot on the table. And so we have very specific 396 00:20:01,493 --> 00:20:02,813 Speaker 8: training for breathing development. 397 00:20:02,933 --> 00:20:09,253 Speaker 7: And yeah, so I guess going back to you know, 398 00:20:09,613 --> 00:20:10,093 Speaker 7: I think my. 399 00:20:12,213 --> 00:20:15,853 Speaker 8: Genius owner is, yeah, being able to just understand human behavior, and. 400 00:20:17,573 --> 00:20:18,533 Speaker 7: That's a big part of it. 401 00:20:19,133 --> 00:20:22,133 Speaker 3: So how did you get involved with the Warriors and 402 00:20:22,493 --> 00:20:24,453 Speaker 3: what did you do with the players? 403 00:20:24,933 --> 00:20:27,613 Speaker 8: I was asked if I would come in and have 404 00:20:27,693 --> 00:20:30,013 Speaker 8: a conversation about the training that we're doing and what 405 00:20:30,013 --> 00:20:33,413 Speaker 8: we could potentially offer. We had the whole team come 406 00:20:33,413 --> 00:20:35,533 Speaker 8: out for a half day, ran them through our beach 407 00:20:35,573 --> 00:20:39,493 Speaker 8: training out here at Pieheart, which is all about really 408 00:20:39,773 --> 00:20:43,293 Speaker 8: taking people out of the environment that they train, putting 409 00:20:43,333 --> 00:20:46,773 Speaker 8: them into an unfamiliar environment and playing a little bit 410 00:20:46,773 --> 00:20:49,253 Speaker 8: of stress and pressure is seeing some of the I guess, 411 00:20:49,253 --> 00:20:51,933 Speaker 8: some of those ingrained patterns that come out in stress 412 00:20:51,933 --> 00:20:54,373 Speaker 8: and pressure moments. You only have one stress response. So 413 00:20:55,933 --> 00:20:58,853 Speaker 8: like an example is you know, running the sand dunes. 414 00:20:58,853 --> 00:20:59,573 Speaker 6: We take the. 415 00:20:59,493 --> 00:21:02,293 Speaker 8: Athletes there and we run the sand dunes, and you know, 416 00:21:02,453 --> 00:21:05,373 Speaker 8: when it gets uncomfortable, where does the mind go? Well, 417 00:21:05,373 --> 00:21:07,693 Speaker 8: it normally goes to the discomfortable to the end, and 418 00:21:07,733 --> 00:21:10,613 Speaker 8: it's about having that awareness to grab your mind and 419 00:21:10,653 --> 00:21:12,213 Speaker 8: bring it back on to the next step so that 420 00:21:12,253 --> 00:21:13,853 Speaker 8: your present and focus on what you're doing. 421 00:21:13,973 --> 00:21:18,533 Speaker 7: And we use the pool, we use the ice baths. 422 00:21:19,413 --> 00:21:21,733 Speaker 7: I also worked with a bunch. 423 00:21:21,453 --> 00:21:23,813 Speaker 8: Of the players pre season, and that was taking them 424 00:21:23,813 --> 00:21:27,373 Speaker 8: through sort of six weeks of mental skill development and 425 00:21:27,413 --> 00:21:29,693 Speaker 8: teaching them all of the stuff and I guess how 426 00:21:29,733 --> 00:21:32,533 Speaker 8: to have better control and stress and pressure moments. 427 00:21:33,053 --> 00:21:35,293 Speaker 3: What would you say the percentages of the role, Because 428 00:21:35,293 --> 00:21:38,053 Speaker 3: obviously when we talk about training and high performance sport, 429 00:21:38,093 --> 00:21:43,453 Speaker 3: we talk about physical exertion, you know, drills, fitness, strength. 430 00:21:44,693 --> 00:21:47,933 Speaker 3: What role does the mental side play when it comes 431 00:21:48,053 --> 00:21:51,573 Speaker 3: to high performance Because you talked about training breathing and 432 00:21:51,893 --> 00:21:54,013 Speaker 3: when someone sees that, the first thing you think of. 433 00:21:54,053 --> 00:21:56,453 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, cardio, it's being able to return 434 00:21:56,453 --> 00:22:00,373 Speaker 3: to your normal breath as fast as possible after physical exertion. 435 00:22:00,613 --> 00:22:03,333 Speaker 3: But can you talk through what is the other side 436 00:22:03,333 --> 00:22:05,413 Speaker 3: of breathing and what it does in your body and 437 00:22:05,413 --> 00:22:06,373 Speaker 3: with your mental clarity? 438 00:22:07,653 --> 00:22:08,253 Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure. 439 00:22:08,453 --> 00:22:13,133 Speaker 8: So if you are and this is this is very prevalent, 440 00:22:13,293 --> 00:22:17,733 Speaker 8: is overbreathing and so when you overbreed, that is physical stress, 441 00:22:17,813 --> 00:22:19,893 Speaker 8: and that agitates the mind because the mind. 442 00:22:19,653 --> 00:22:21,893 Speaker 7: And the body are not separate. Is just one body, right. 443 00:22:21,773 --> 00:22:25,253 Speaker 8: And theysical you know, any type of performance is one 444 00:22:25,333 --> 00:22:28,093 Speaker 8: hundred percent physical and one hundred percent mental. People talk 445 00:22:28,093 --> 00:22:30,973 Speaker 8: about it it's eighty percent mental and twenty percent physical. 446 00:22:31,093 --> 00:22:31,413 Speaker 7: It's not. 447 00:22:31,533 --> 00:22:33,253 Speaker 8: You know, like if I've got a sore elbow, it'll 448 00:22:33,253 --> 00:22:37,013 Speaker 8: agitate my mind, and if I can't think clearly, it'll 449 00:22:37,013 --> 00:22:38,493 Speaker 8: have a physiological effect. 450 00:22:39,333 --> 00:22:39,693 Speaker 7: And so. 451 00:22:41,213 --> 00:22:45,533 Speaker 8: The breathing is really it's so important because your breathing 452 00:22:45,573 --> 00:22:48,373 Speaker 8: is tended to every single emotional state. If your stress 453 00:22:48,973 --> 00:22:52,973 Speaker 8: anxious uptype tends to increase your breathing rate and depth, 454 00:22:52,973 --> 00:22:55,213 Speaker 8: and being able to take conscious control of that in 455 00:22:55,253 --> 00:22:57,693 Speaker 8: that moment gives you more control of your body stress 456 00:22:57,733 --> 00:23:03,133 Speaker 8: response and overbreathing during exercise is a huge stressor, and 457 00:23:03,213 --> 00:23:05,973 Speaker 8: so it's physical stress, but it also has an impact 458 00:23:06,053 --> 00:23:10,253 Speaker 8: on your ability to focus and I think clearly and 459 00:23:11,053 --> 00:23:15,573 Speaker 8: you know, apply game plan. And so yeah, it's all tied. 460 00:23:16,373 --> 00:23:19,973 Speaker 8: And then there's the breathing side, which is around breathing mechanics, 461 00:23:20,013 --> 00:23:24,693 Speaker 8: which has a huge effect on endurance power production. But 462 00:23:24,773 --> 00:23:26,253 Speaker 8: we often don't build in that way. 463 00:23:26,853 --> 00:23:30,253 Speaker 3: I remember a few years ago the Warriors after a 464 00:23:30,333 --> 00:23:33,573 Speaker 3: try was scored, they'd get into a huddle of big 465 00:23:33,573 --> 00:23:37,053 Speaker 3: group circle and they'd all collectively take a big breath 466 00:23:37,053 --> 00:23:39,053 Speaker 3: in and a big breath out, And it was something 467 00:23:39,093 --> 00:23:40,933 Speaker 3: they did as a team as a way to sort 468 00:23:40,973 --> 00:23:41,973 Speaker 3: of reset. 469 00:23:42,013 --> 00:23:43,773 Speaker 6: And I understand that Karen Read. 470 00:23:43,653 --> 00:23:45,853 Speaker 3: The former All Blacks captain, sort of went into camp 471 00:23:45,893 --> 00:23:49,493 Speaker 3: and he introduced that. But what do you make of that? 472 00:23:49,573 --> 00:23:52,293 Speaker 3: And does that sort of tie into to what you're 473 00:23:52,333 --> 00:23:54,773 Speaker 3: talking about? What difference could that make for the team. 474 00:23:55,853 --> 00:23:58,293 Speaker 8: Yeah, So in those moments, what you're really trying to 475 00:23:58,293 --> 00:24:00,333 Speaker 8: do is have better control of your energy and being 476 00:24:00,333 --> 00:24:03,253 Speaker 8: able to shift from I guess an up pretty lad 477 00:24:03,293 --> 00:24:06,373 Speaker 8: state into a more calm state. And really the fastest, 478 00:24:06,453 --> 00:24:09,133 Speaker 8: what I believe was, you know, the fastest way to 479 00:24:09,173 --> 00:24:11,413 Speaker 8: do that is by consciously controlling your breathing. And that's 480 00:24:11,413 --> 00:24:15,173 Speaker 8: because your breathing has an indirect effect on your nervous system. 481 00:24:15,253 --> 00:24:18,573 Speaker 8: Two parts of the nervous system, the sympathetic upregulated adrenaline 482 00:24:18,653 --> 00:24:21,453 Speaker 8: and the power sympathetic that calming part of your nervous system. 483 00:24:21,493 --> 00:24:23,813 Speaker 8: And really the essence of performance is being able to 484 00:24:23,853 --> 00:24:28,013 Speaker 8: shift from an energized into a more calm, centered, focused state, 485 00:24:28,093 --> 00:24:31,253 Speaker 8: and consciously controlling your breathing is just such a powerful 486 00:24:31,253 --> 00:24:31,933 Speaker 8: way to do that. 487 00:24:33,373 --> 00:24:35,293 Speaker 7: And this can be applied. 488 00:24:34,893 --> 00:24:39,373 Speaker 8: And again might really dynamic situations where you need more control, 489 00:24:39,413 --> 00:24:41,333 Speaker 8: because if you think about, you know, if you're on 490 00:24:41,333 --> 00:24:43,733 Speaker 8: a rugby field, what do you have access to in 491 00:24:43,813 --> 00:24:47,053 Speaker 8: terms of shifting from an energized to a calm state. 492 00:24:47,093 --> 00:24:48,733 Speaker 8: Say the whistle goes and you've got a minute, what 493 00:24:48,733 --> 00:24:51,453 Speaker 8: do you have access to to recover rapidly? You know, 494 00:24:51,493 --> 00:24:55,173 Speaker 8: you might have some water and some words from the captain, 495 00:24:55,253 --> 00:24:59,333 Speaker 8: but actually it's all about internal control and consciously controlling 496 00:24:59,333 --> 00:25:02,373 Speaker 8: your breathing and slowing it down sends very clear signals 497 00:25:02,413 --> 00:25:05,333 Speaker 8: to your brain that you are in a state of alert, 498 00:25:05,373 --> 00:25:06,053 Speaker 8: tim and focus. 499 00:25:06,333 --> 00:25:10,253 Speaker 3: I'd imagine that ninety nine point nine percent of the 500 00:25:10,293 --> 00:25:14,413 Speaker 3: Big League podcast listeners and not professional high performance athletes. 501 00:25:14,453 --> 00:25:19,693 Speaker 3: But obviously everyone undergoes pressure and stress just with work 502 00:25:19,893 --> 00:25:22,893 Speaker 3: and family life and relationships and all that sort of stuff. 503 00:25:23,133 --> 00:25:25,973 Speaker 3: What's the best piece of advice that you could give 504 00:25:26,653 --> 00:25:30,373 Speaker 3: or exercise or something practical that people could do to 505 00:25:30,453 --> 00:25:33,413 Speaker 3: help reduce stress in their lives. And if they've got 506 00:25:33,413 --> 00:25:35,733 Speaker 3: a big meeting or they've got to have a talk 507 00:25:35,733 --> 00:25:38,173 Speaker 3: with someone and they're nervous about it. What are some 508 00:25:38,213 --> 00:25:41,573 Speaker 3: strategies to overcome that and be able to perform to 509 00:25:41,653 --> 00:25:44,093 Speaker 3: a high level, like where you help I guess athletes 510 00:25:44,133 --> 00:25:44,973 Speaker 3: do on the sports field. 511 00:25:45,853 --> 00:25:46,053 Speaker 7: Yeah. 512 00:25:46,053 --> 00:25:49,493 Speaker 8: I think the first thing is if you specialize you're 513 00:25:49,493 --> 00:25:52,133 Speaker 8: an athlete, you know, like whether that's sitting in front 514 00:25:52,133 --> 00:25:54,213 Speaker 8: of the computer for raight hours or running a business. 515 00:25:54,693 --> 00:25:57,653 Speaker 8: We will need these skills and we're all exposed to 516 00:25:57,653 --> 00:26:02,533 Speaker 8: stress and pressure. Like you said, I think what is 517 00:26:02,773 --> 00:26:06,333 Speaker 8: very important is to have practices what we call them, 518 00:26:06,373 --> 00:26:09,253 Speaker 8: you know, daily habits and riscual So that shipped you 519 00:26:09,373 --> 00:26:11,813 Speaker 8: back into a calm recovery state. 520 00:26:11,853 --> 00:26:15,133 Speaker 7: Because we're spending so much of our time. 521 00:26:15,053 --> 00:26:18,013 Speaker 8: In the red, in the stress, and that can be 522 00:26:18,373 --> 00:26:24,293 Speaker 8: the result of overtraining, trying to get that work life balance, 523 00:26:25,013 --> 00:26:27,533 Speaker 8: you know, just a busy day sitting in traffic, waiting 524 00:26:27,533 --> 00:26:30,333 Speaker 8: in the coffee line to get to the front, deadlines, multitasking. 525 00:26:30,933 --> 00:26:33,213 Speaker 8: The stress is coming from so many different angles and 526 00:26:33,293 --> 00:26:36,813 Speaker 8: so it's easy to get stuck in that upregulated state 527 00:26:36,813 --> 00:26:38,173 Speaker 8: where you're burning a lot of energy. 528 00:26:38,653 --> 00:26:40,613 Speaker 7: And the idea of shifting back into a. 529 00:26:40,533 --> 00:26:43,253 Speaker 8: Calm state in your day is not equated with our 530 00:26:43,253 --> 00:26:46,853 Speaker 8: perception of productivity. So I think we could all benefit 531 00:26:46,973 --> 00:26:51,813 Speaker 8: from practices that ship does back into a calm, scented state. 532 00:26:51,853 --> 00:26:54,213 Speaker 8: We use breathing flows, which I guess is a form 533 00:26:54,253 --> 00:26:57,133 Speaker 8: of meditation. Again, the reason why the breathing is so 534 00:26:57,253 --> 00:26:59,653 Speaker 8: powerful is because when you slow, you're breathing down and 535 00:26:59,693 --> 00:27:01,213 Speaker 8: you focus on prolonged exils. 536 00:27:01,213 --> 00:27:03,093 Speaker 7: We call it cadence breathing. 537 00:27:03,133 --> 00:27:05,213 Speaker 8: So we assign numbers to the different parts of the 538 00:27:05,213 --> 00:27:09,893 Speaker 8: breathing cycle, prioritizing a long exiled them. And how you 539 00:27:09,973 --> 00:27:12,293 Speaker 8: do that for five minutes, you're going to shift into 540 00:27:13,053 --> 00:27:17,413 Speaker 8: a much calmer, scentered statement, come out of that with better. 541 00:27:17,213 --> 00:27:19,333 Speaker 7: Mental clarity and being more productive. 542 00:27:19,813 --> 00:27:21,613 Speaker 8: And we talk a lot about, you know, some of 543 00:27:21,653 --> 00:27:25,533 Speaker 8: the really key recovery rituals. Meditation of name one, but 544 00:27:25,693 --> 00:27:28,933 Speaker 8: getting in nature is also a really important one because 545 00:27:28,973 --> 00:27:30,373 Speaker 8: when you're in nature, it activates the. 546 00:27:30,333 --> 00:27:33,773 Speaker 7: Calming division of your nervous system. So I work with 547 00:27:33,773 --> 00:27:36,173 Speaker 7: a lot about clients. 548 00:27:35,693 --> 00:27:39,773 Speaker 8: Who are abroad who work in cities like New York 549 00:27:39,773 --> 00:27:41,933 Speaker 8: and they live in high rises, and you know, they 550 00:27:42,053 --> 00:27:44,973 Speaker 8: never connected with nature and they have lots of problems 551 00:27:45,013 --> 00:27:48,653 Speaker 8: with uncontrolled stress. And so the first thing I always 552 00:27:48,653 --> 00:27:51,013 Speaker 8: ask them is how many times an entire week would 553 00:27:51,013 --> 00:27:52,293 Speaker 8: your barefoot touch their surface? 554 00:27:52,293 --> 00:27:53,173 Speaker 7: And some of them say never. 555 00:27:53,213 --> 00:27:55,053 Speaker 8: They have no connection with nature at all, and we're 556 00:27:55,053 --> 00:27:56,253 Speaker 8: designed to be in nature. 557 00:27:56,013 --> 00:27:56,493 Speaker 7: All the time. 558 00:27:56,613 --> 00:28:00,773 Speaker 8: So these recovery rituals are thus simple, but they're not 559 00:28:00,853 --> 00:28:03,413 Speaker 8: easy because we're so used to being in that busy, 560 00:28:03,493 --> 00:28:04,413 Speaker 8: upregulated state. 561 00:28:05,253 --> 00:28:08,653 Speaker 3: Is there any sort of breathing tool that you could 562 00:28:09,333 --> 00:28:12,413 Speaker 3: takets it that people could use in a way in 563 00:28:12,413 --> 00:28:13,373 Speaker 3: the everyday live state. 564 00:28:14,013 --> 00:28:18,653 Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a really simple exercise and it requires nothing 565 00:28:18,693 --> 00:28:21,053 Speaker 8: apart from find a quiet place, lying down, sitting down, 566 00:28:21,093 --> 00:28:23,853 Speaker 8: getting comfortable, And all you do is you inhale slowly 567 00:28:23,893 --> 00:28:25,773 Speaker 8: through your nose until you get to the top of 568 00:28:25,773 --> 00:28:28,093 Speaker 8: the inhull, and then you hold your breath. And once 569 00:28:28,133 --> 00:28:30,253 Speaker 8: you hold your breath, you tap out your imagine game 570 00:28:30,453 --> 00:28:33,693 Speaker 8: you're going to sleep, lack of awareness of time, and 571 00:28:33,773 --> 00:28:36,253 Speaker 8: you just keep holding your breath until you feel the 572 00:28:36,333 --> 00:28:39,093 Speaker 8: first urge to breathe out. When you feel that urge, 573 00:28:39,093 --> 00:28:41,053 Speaker 8: it's not how long you can hold your breath, it's 574 00:28:41,133 --> 00:28:42,213 Speaker 8: just listening to your body. 575 00:28:42,533 --> 00:28:43,493 Speaker 7: You drop it out. 576 00:28:44,093 --> 00:28:46,293 Speaker 8: You can breathe out through your nose or your mouth 577 00:28:46,533 --> 00:28:49,293 Speaker 8: and then you slowly flow back into the next inhale. 578 00:28:49,333 --> 00:28:51,693 Speaker 8: Hold Try that for five minutes, and then when you 579 00:28:51,693 --> 00:28:54,653 Speaker 8: finish that exercise, tap into the condition of your body 580 00:28:54,653 --> 00:28:57,453 Speaker 8: and mind. Because these exercises are designed to shift your 581 00:28:57,493 --> 00:28:59,213 Speaker 8: physical and mental state in real time. 582 00:28:59,493 --> 00:29:00,653 Speaker 7: You know when you come out of it, do I 583 00:29:00,653 --> 00:29:02,453 Speaker 7: feel more clear? Do I feel more focused? 584 00:29:02,773 --> 00:29:05,213 Speaker 8: Ship yourself into a deep recovery state, and then get 585 00:29:05,253 --> 00:29:06,053 Speaker 8: on with your busy day. 586 00:29:06,733 --> 00:29:07,733 Speaker 6: Dave, thank you so much. 587 00:29:07,773 --> 00:29:11,373 Speaker 3: That was readably insightful and definitely good to have a 588 00:29:11,373 --> 00:29:14,173 Speaker 3: few things that that everyone listening can can use in 589 00:29:14,173 --> 00:29:16,333 Speaker 3: their own daily lives to help them get through. But 590 00:29:16,373 --> 00:29:19,133 Speaker 3: it was really really interesting to hear you talk and 591 00:29:19,173 --> 00:29:21,853 Speaker 3: the way in which you've helped the Warriors and other 592 00:29:21,933 --> 00:29:24,613 Speaker 3: high performance athletes throughout your career. Thank you so much 593 00:29:24,653 --> 00:29:26,453 Speaker 3: for joining the podcast. Really appreciate your time. 594 00:29:30,373 --> 00:29:34,733 Speaker 2: The Big League Podcast on the Warriors Bad Wagons since 595 00:29:34,813 --> 00:29:40,773 Speaker 2: day one, The Big League Podcast for the biggest league fans. 596 00:29:41,853 --> 00:29:44,573 Speaker 3: All right, Berch quick vire predictions for the next round 597 00:29:44,613 --> 00:29:46,933 Speaker 3: of in Our Role Action. A few surprise results from 598 00:29:47,013 --> 00:29:49,693 Speaker 3: last week. I know you wented on the podcast last 599 00:29:49,733 --> 00:29:52,573 Speaker 3: week you didn't bother the shar up, but I. 600 00:29:54,533 --> 00:29:55,093 Speaker 4: Hold the phone. 601 00:29:55,133 --> 00:29:58,133 Speaker 5: There no surprises to me, mate, I think you'll find 602 00:29:58,133 --> 00:30:00,773 Speaker 5: I tipped seven, seven out of eight when I was 603 00:30:00,813 --> 00:30:02,333 Speaker 5: tipping by myself in my bedroom. 604 00:30:02,413 --> 00:30:06,653 Speaker 4: So really, jad surprises. 605 00:30:07,733 --> 00:30:10,093 Speaker 6: Did you pick the Titans to lose to the Dolphins? 606 00:30:10,613 --> 00:30:11,613 Speaker 4: That was the one I didn't get. 607 00:30:11,693 --> 00:30:16,613 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, whatever, Well, well back it up, back it up. 608 00:30:16,693 --> 00:30:20,213 Speaker 5: I'm just thinking about my breathing actually, because that was 609 00:30:20,333 --> 00:30:21,653 Speaker 5: quite insightful, and. 610 00:30:23,373 --> 00:30:23,693 Speaker 6: It is. 611 00:30:24,053 --> 00:30:27,973 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we should also get there, right, Maybe you can. 612 00:30:27,853 --> 00:30:28,493 Speaker 6: Calm down a bit. 613 00:30:29,533 --> 00:30:33,813 Speaker 4: Dolphins Panthers, Yeah, wow, what a result of the Dolphins. 614 00:30:34,453 --> 00:30:36,133 Speaker 6: Panthers have lost for in a row. 615 00:30:36,693 --> 00:30:39,893 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is I mean, this is It's not a crisis. 616 00:30:39,933 --> 00:30:42,653 Speaker 5: But to be fair, the Panthers have been. What they've 617 00:30:42,653 --> 00:30:44,493 Speaker 5: been doing the last few years is amazing. The way 618 00:30:44,533 --> 00:30:47,653 Speaker 5: they just keep keep going despite losing all these key players, 619 00:30:48,013 --> 00:30:50,733 Speaker 5: and now of course they're without Fisher, Harris, your own, Luye, 620 00:30:50,853 --> 00:30:51,613 Speaker 5: a couple others. 621 00:30:52,613 --> 00:30:54,333 Speaker 4: I think they'll bounce back. I think they'll bounce back 622 00:30:54,333 --> 00:30:55,133 Speaker 4: this weekend, do you go. 623 00:30:55,213 --> 00:30:57,693 Speaker 5: I think they'll beat the Dolphins, but it's going to 624 00:30:57,733 --> 00:30:59,613 Speaker 5: have to be one of those really tight games where 625 00:30:59,613 --> 00:31:02,533 Speaker 5: they win with a field goal or a penalty or something. 626 00:31:02,653 --> 00:31:04,573 Speaker 4: Because if they don't, they're in a real hole. 627 00:31:05,573 --> 00:31:07,813 Speaker 6: I still can't tip against the Panthers. I still can't 628 00:31:07,813 --> 00:31:09,573 Speaker 6: bring my off to do it. 629 00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:13,493 Speaker 5: Dragons Titans, Jeez, I'll go with the Dragons here because 630 00:31:13,493 --> 00:31:16,493 Speaker 5: they're at home. The Titans are so up and down 631 00:31:16,653 --> 00:31:18,493 Speaker 5: it's hard to know what you're going to get. So 632 00:31:18,493 --> 00:31:19,493 Speaker 5: I'm going to go with the home too. 633 00:31:20,773 --> 00:31:24,013 Speaker 3: Love slagging the Titans off, but they've got something about 634 00:31:24,013 --> 00:31:27,853 Speaker 3: them this year. Broncos Roosters. The Broncos are looking good. 635 00:31:28,413 --> 00:31:30,013 Speaker 3: Pays me to say it. Of it because of your 636 00:31:30,213 --> 00:31:32,173 Speaker 3: big tip they're going to win the minor premiership. You'll 637 00:31:32,213 --> 00:31:34,653 Speaker 3: look like a genius if that happens. The second on 638 00:31:34,653 --> 00:31:37,013 Speaker 3: the ladder at the moment by August, But I did. 639 00:31:37,053 --> 00:31:38,933 Speaker 3: I did tell you last year that that Michael McGuire 640 00:31:38,933 --> 00:31:40,933 Speaker 3: would have a big, big impact, and we're seeing it. 641 00:31:41,093 --> 00:31:44,373 Speaker 3: And this Broncos team is the kind of team they 642 00:31:44,373 --> 00:31:45,653 Speaker 3: don't lose these kind. 643 00:31:45,533 --> 00:31:46,933 Speaker 4: Of matches at home. Now. 644 00:31:47,133 --> 00:31:50,253 Speaker 5: That's that's how solid they've become. That's what I can see. 645 00:31:51,133 --> 00:31:53,493 Speaker 6: And I'm going to agree with you there. Sharks Sea Eagles. 646 00:31:54,253 --> 00:31:57,293 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Sharks. They would have been really disappointed the 647 00:31:57,293 --> 00:31:59,573 Speaker 5: way they lost to the Raiders. I guess it shows 648 00:31:59,573 --> 00:32:03,093 Speaker 5: the Raiders are are the real deal. But I'm sure everyone, 649 00:32:03,093 --> 00:32:05,933 Speaker 5: including yourself, is picking the right the Sharks for that one. 650 00:32:06,813 --> 00:32:09,573 Speaker 5: I think they'll bounce back at home against the Seagulls, 651 00:32:09,613 --> 00:32:10,373 Speaker 5: but it will be close. 652 00:32:11,613 --> 00:32:14,013 Speaker 3: That stuff. I'm going to left field. The Sharks confuse me. 653 00:32:14,093 --> 00:32:18,933 Speaker 3: Burg The Sharks confuse me, and the Seagulls are going 654 00:32:19,013 --> 00:32:22,053 Speaker 3: to win. Bunnies Cowboys, Bunnies for mine. 655 00:32:22,493 --> 00:32:24,173 Speaker 5: I mean, the Cowboys got a much need to win, 656 00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:29,453 Speaker 5: so but the Bunnies under Bennett, Bunny's Bennett. I've got 657 00:32:29,453 --> 00:32:32,373 Speaker 5: so many injuries they have, but they're still They're still 658 00:32:32,373 --> 00:32:34,013 Speaker 5: doing the job. He's an amazing guy. 659 00:32:34,013 --> 00:32:34,413 Speaker 4: Wayne. 660 00:32:34,493 --> 00:32:36,493 Speaker 5: The injuries will start to hurt them at some stage, 661 00:32:36,613 --> 00:32:38,333 Speaker 5: but I don't think it'll be this week. 662 00:32:39,533 --> 00:32:41,853 Speaker 6: Eels Raiders, Eels. 663 00:32:42,733 --> 00:32:44,453 Speaker 4: You know what I'm going to say. You know what 664 00:32:44,453 --> 00:32:46,213 Speaker 4: I'm going to say. I still believe in the Eels. 665 00:32:46,213 --> 00:32:48,773 Speaker 5: They're still giving me hope from that team that made 666 00:32:48,813 --> 00:32:50,813 Speaker 5: the Grand Final. 667 00:32:50,533 --> 00:32:53,973 Speaker 4: What was it three years ago? But no, are the 668 00:32:54,053 --> 00:32:56,373 Speaker 4: Raiders they finally got to win? Yeah? 669 00:32:56,413 --> 00:32:59,933 Speaker 5: True, true, true, No, But the Raiders. I really like 670 00:32:59,973 --> 00:33:02,413 Speaker 5: the Raiders this year. I don't know that some people 671 00:33:02,453 --> 00:33:04,013 Speaker 5: tip in the Raiders be wooden spooners. 672 00:33:04,013 --> 00:33:07,773 Speaker 4: Can you believe it? And look look where our Storm. 673 00:33:07,733 --> 00:33:10,413 Speaker 3: Versus the Warriors in Melbourne. 674 00:33:11,053 --> 00:33:14,253 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to go with the with the home 675 00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:16,453 Speaker 5: team here. I would love to tip the Warriors, but 676 00:33:16,933 --> 00:33:21,653 Speaker 5: I just can't see how they can beat the Storm. 677 00:33:22,293 --> 00:33:24,973 Speaker 5: The Storm have got so many ways they can hurt 678 00:33:25,013 --> 00:33:28,733 Speaker 5: you on attack. They're defensively very strong, They're so good 679 00:33:28,733 --> 00:33:31,613 Speaker 5: at getting on the right side of the referee. They're 680 00:33:31,693 --> 00:33:35,653 Speaker 5: kicking game Jaron Hughes as a master, so it's going 681 00:33:35,733 --> 00:33:38,093 Speaker 5: to take a huge effort. But what I do like 682 00:33:38,133 --> 00:33:40,893 Speaker 5: from the Warriors is their forwards and the Fords is 683 00:33:40,933 --> 00:33:43,213 Speaker 5: one place where I think they can. They can get 684 00:33:43,293 --> 00:33:45,573 Speaker 5: up on top of the Storm, but it just depends 685 00:33:45,613 --> 00:33:48,293 Speaker 5: on if the Spine and particularly the halves can bring 686 00:33:48,813 --> 00:33:52,213 Speaker 5: their a game and then obviously the Backs need to 687 00:33:52,733 --> 00:33:54,013 Speaker 5: need to finish the things off too. 688 00:33:57,293 --> 00:34:02,653 Speaker 3: Prove us wrong, make us eat these words please? Nice Tigers, 689 00:34:03,133 --> 00:34:06,613 Speaker 3: Nice Tigers. Yeah, the Tigers, you know they're starting to. 690 00:34:07,253 --> 00:34:09,413 Speaker 3: I don't like Benji co on the sideline. I think 691 00:34:09,453 --> 00:34:12,053 Speaker 3: that's that's Ricky Stewart's thing, But Benji should. 692 00:34:11,853 --> 00:34:12,493 Speaker 2: Just why not? 693 00:34:12,613 --> 00:34:14,613 Speaker 4: He can do it well? He should stay in the box. 694 00:34:14,653 --> 00:34:16,773 Speaker 4: He's there getting he should. 695 00:34:16,613 --> 00:34:17,293 Speaker 6: Stay in the box. 696 00:34:17,333 --> 00:34:20,213 Speaker 5: Why he's getting down there on the sideline getting emotional, right, 697 00:34:20,293 --> 00:34:22,093 Speaker 5: I just think he's too in his career for that. 698 00:34:23,413 --> 00:34:26,013 Speaker 4: I think I think that's and it's a left field thing. 699 00:34:25,893 --> 00:34:27,213 Speaker 5: To go on about to read here. And I don't 700 00:34:27,213 --> 00:34:29,653 Speaker 5: know why I brought it up, But my point I 701 00:34:29,693 --> 00:34:32,093 Speaker 5: was trying to make before I interrupt you interrupted me, 702 00:34:32,253 --> 00:34:36,493 Speaker 5: was Nah, just the Tigers are you know? 703 00:34:36,533 --> 00:34:37,293 Speaker 4: There's square is. 704 00:34:37,293 --> 00:34:37,733 Speaker 6: A bit thin. 705 00:34:37,813 --> 00:34:38,853 Speaker 4: They've had some injuries. 706 00:34:39,173 --> 00:34:41,853 Speaker 5: They had a great start to the year, but this 707 00:34:41,893 --> 00:34:44,733 Speaker 5: is where it might get tough for the Tigers and 708 00:34:44,773 --> 00:34:47,413 Speaker 5: the Nights. She's don't want to they want to bounce 709 00:34:47,453 --> 00:34:49,293 Speaker 5: back after being roasted by the Bulldogs. 710 00:34:50,293 --> 00:34:53,213 Speaker 3: I'm going to back Benji Marshall on the sideline to 711 00:34:53,293 --> 00:34:55,853 Speaker 3: finish it off. Thank you, Michael, but just for your time, 712 00:34:55,853 --> 00:34:58,013 Speaker 3: your wisdom, and so I hope you enjoyed the podcast, 713 00:34:58,013 --> 00:34:59,293 Speaker 3: Please follow and rate it. 714 00:34:59,333 --> 00:35:00,133 Speaker 6: My name is Nathan. 715 00:35:00,413 --> 00:35:04,253 Speaker 3: We will be back next Monday to go over what 716 00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:07,893 Speaker 3: is hopefully a historic win for the Warriors at Amy Park. 717 00:35:08,413 --> 00:35:15,733 Speaker 1: Then for more from Used Talk st B, listen live 718 00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:18,653 Speaker 1: on air or online and keep our shows with you 719 00:35:18,733 --> 00:35:21,733 Speaker 1: wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio,