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Speaker 2: You great New Zealanders and welcome to Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Full Show Podcast number three one six for Thursday, the

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Speaker 2: twenty sixth of March twenty twenty six. I think you're

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Speaker 2: going to enjoy our chat about headless human lab growing

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Speaker 2: organ bodyoids. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't make sense now, but it may make

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Speaker 3: more sense when you hear that conversation.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I wasn't sure that people would want to

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Speaker 2: talk about that when we were in our pre show

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Speaker 2: meeting where we floated that as something to talk about,

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Speaker 2: But it turns out that's exactly what New Zealanders want

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Speaker 2: to talk about. That they love talking about fuel. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so it was a great show. Download, subscribe and

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Speaker 3: give us a review.

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Speaker 2: And give them a taste to Kiwi from us. All right,

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Speaker 2: Dan love you love.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Kids, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Squid Shoulder,

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Speaker 3: The very good Afternoons You welcome into Thursday Show. Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much for giving us and listen, hope you

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Speaker 3: have an okay day, whatever you're doing and wherever you

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Speaker 3: are in this beautiful country of Hourse. How you met

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Speaker 3: you know Jack Reacher? Yes, you know Elan Richard?

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 2: Have you been watching that hit? I guess scandal? What

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Speaker 2: did you call it? A scandal? He punched a guy

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Speaker 2: in the face in his neighborhood when Ellen Richard, the

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Speaker 2: star of Jack Reacher's six foot four Star of War Machines,

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Speaker 2: Absolute Beast, absolute unit, fantastic actor. But a neighbor came

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Speaker 2: out on TMZ and said that he had been assaulted

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Speaker 2: by Ellen richardson yes, and showed some video, but the

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Speaker 2: video was very tightly cut, it was, but the full

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Speaker 2: videos come out now from the body cam on Ellen Richson,

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Speaker 2: and you see that the guy jumped out in front

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Speaker 2: right speed on the bike. He's here with his kids actually,

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Speaker 2: Ellen Richson, and and it's been he's been completely exonerated,

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Speaker 2: so TMZ obviously absolute Scum of the Earth website. So

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Speaker 2: they've you know, they've listened to whatever this person is

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Speaker 2: that's that's actually been the perpetrator and paid his story first.

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Speaker 2: So the full stories come out and Ellen Richson's been

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Speaker 2: completely exonerated. But who packs a fight with Jack Reacher?

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Speaker 2: Who jumps because because he jumped down in front of

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Speaker 2: his bike to the point where Alan Ritchson went over

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Speaker 2: the handlebars, and then he's very magnantis about. It's like,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: The guy keeps coming at him, coming at him, and

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Speaker 2: eventually pushes him off as bike when he gets on.

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Speaker 2: Who starts a fight with Jack Reacher in the TV series?

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Speaker 2: In the TV series, when you're watching it, you're going,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of unrealistic that everyone keeps starting fights with

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Speaker 2: this guy because he's so massive, Right, that's on the

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Speaker 2: TV series, But in real life people do that. And

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Speaker 2: the guy got his beans And it's great to.

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Speaker 3: Watch an original video. And I've got to go see

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Speaker 3: the body cam that Ellen had on himself. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean from what you see in the TMZ video

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Speaker 3: the air, But that neighbor looked like the worst type

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Speaker 3: of neighbor. Many people have that sort of neighbor. They

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Speaker 3: his bike because the guy made him.

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Speaker 2: He didn't get off his bite. He put his brakes

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Speaker 3: It only took one sucker punch to the stomach though,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. But you know, the other the other thing with

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Speaker 2: So if he hadn't had a cam on him, then

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So as they're going to get to a point

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Speaker 3: You know, there's so many of those videos of the

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Speaker 3: video you might have seen it. They all come out,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those people that reverse into cars to try and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank god for that body cam. And yeah, why

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Speaker 3: would you mess with Allen Richardson? Just go google him.

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Speaker 3: He is a massive unit. Right on to today's show

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Speaker 3: after three o'clock, want to have a chat about marjong,

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Speaker 3: so young people around the world to rediscover this game.

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Speaker 3: Marjong are traditional Chinese tile game and tuning it into

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Speaker 3: a trendy social activity one once associated mainly with older generations.

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Speaker 3: It's now being played in stylist venues, clubs and cafes,

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Speaker 3: often mixed with food, drinks and socializing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So my parents used to play marjong all the

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Speaker 2: time with the east wind West Wind. I don't know

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Speaker 2: the win wins. Yep, they tried to teach me out.

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Speaker 2: I remember it being kind of fun. But this is

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Speaker 2: part of a broader resurgence in board games and people

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Speaker 2: getting together, young people, old people, family getting together and

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Speaker 2: playing board games. I personally think it's the absolute best

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Speaker 2: thing you can do with your family, absolute best thing.

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Speaker 2: It gets people off the devices. You're sitting around the table,

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Speaker 2: you're talking to each other, there's gags back and forth

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Speaker 2: whilst you're playing the game. So let's talk about board games. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: are you forcing your kids the board games with you?

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Speaker 2: Are you getting together with your friends and playing board games?

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Speaker 2: If so, what are the ones, Because it's pretty hard

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Speaker 2: of Monopoly. It certainly is over the age of fifteen.

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Speaker 2: It's controversial. Yeah, it's two boring, but there are lots

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Speaker 3: There, yep, Katan, I mean the list goes on. That

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty then after two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: A weird story, but it's fascinating. Scientists are exploring the

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Speaker 3: idea of creating headless human bodies, often called bodyoids, growing

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Speaker 3: So the guys behind this, and it's got a heck

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Speaker 3: want to do this because they want to grow organs

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Speaker 3: for transplants, helping solve the shortages that you see around

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Speaker 3: the world, to test drugs safely without risking real people,

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Speaker 3: and also to reduce animal testing in research.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the name of the company that's looking at

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Speaker 2: doing It's called something terrifying Immortal Dragons. Immortal Dragons. It's

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Speaker 2: a terrifying name. If you're going to do something terrifying

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Speaker 2: Modern bio Research or something not Immortal Dragons. But what

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Speaker 2: that imagine walking into the lab where that's going on,

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Speaker 2: and you just see a bunch of headless bodies to

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Speaker 2: be farmed. But also they can grow blood. And we

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Speaker 2: have all these problems We've talked about this on the

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Speaker 2: show before that, the problems around organ transplants, the problems

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Speaker 2: about this? Yeah, there's a good idea. It's a while away.

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Speaker 2: They're only doing it with monkeys at the moment. But

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Speaker 2: that's not because they don't have the technology. That's because

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Speaker 2: they just don't they don't have the it's you know,

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Speaker 2: the ethical ethically speaking, it's that they can't do it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fine balance, but we want your thoughts

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Speaker 3: on that. After two o'clock. What do you reckon about

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Speaker 3: the ethics? And would you take an organ from a

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Speaker 3: headless human body? That is after two o'clock, I would

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Speaker 3: just put it out there right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's quite a thing to say.

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Speaker 3: It certainly is right. That is after two o'clock is

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Speaker 3: right now. I want to have a chat about air travel.

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Speaker 3: How are you changing the way you're flying? So the

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Speaker 3: latest is jit Stay has cut a portion of its

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Speaker 3: Domesican trans tasment flights due to that sharp rise in

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Speaker 3: jet fuel prices. About twelve percent of its are affected.

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Speaker 3: That includes roots like Auckland, christ Jews, Wellington, Sydney and Brisbane.

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Speaker 3: The airlines says changes are temporary and mainly impact routes

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Speaker 3: for some passengers, but it's not unique to Jetstar. Air

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Speaker 3: but airlines across the world are having to cut flights left,

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Speaker 2: So the question we've got for.

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Speaker 3: You is, are you re looking at the trips that

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Speaker 3: you need to book and this year? Are you looking

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Speaker 3: far further out than you normally would. The people I've

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Speaker 3: spoken to in my social circle certainly are they've booked

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Speaker 2: They never would.

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Speaker 3: They were always spontaneous sort of people that would look

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Speaker 2: A month out. That's an advance normally, isn't it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm normally booked my tickets two weeks out. Jesus, there's

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Speaker 2: live of life on the edge. But I've gone through

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Speaker 2: and booked all the flights for the year. What about

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Speaker 2: there's a bunch of people that are going through you

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Speaker 2: know late lyt's say, to Europe that would be going

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Speaker 2: through the Middle East normally. Yes, freaking out about about

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Speaker 2: that their flights, won't they Yep?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big changes there. I mean a text just came

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Speaker 3: through instantly. Okay, guys, we are going to Peru on

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Speaker 3: a humanitarian house built in June. Nice flights to Lima

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Speaker 3: that we're eighteen hundred bucks two weeks ago and now

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Speaker 3: two two hundred dollars twenty two percent increase since the

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Speaker 3: oil situation began. Wish we'd booked two weeks ago, But

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Speaker 3: hard to know whether we should book now in case

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Speaker 3: it gets worse or hold off and maybe it will

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Speaker 2: Wish I had a crystal ball. See that's the thing

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Speaker 2: that is concerning, right, So our airlines setting the price

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Speaker 2: which case you could be left with really expensive flights

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Speaker 2: once all the stuff is sorted out in you know,

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Speaker 2: It's just such a defeatist attitude and it doesn't lead

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Speaker 9: Does it actually affect me? Or is it more about

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Speaker 2: Twenty six past one.

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Speaker 3: Are you changing the way that you're traveling, particularly when

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, So you reckon booking early? Doesn't necessarily matter.

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Speaker 2: Haven't, you haven't. I'm so sorry. That's so gutting for

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Speaker 2: The text thing you know this Texas says, the one

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Speaker 7: And the other things to watch out for is insurance.

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Speaker 2: Good call, thank you for you call Lisa, Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Are you like Lisa that you've had a bit of

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, to be fair, you know, I mean everybody

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Speaker 3: freaked out when there was a little bit of something

437
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Speaker 3: that that's what had one of the buildings.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a missile, just a little bit of something. Yeah,

439
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Speaker 2: it's dangerous crossing the road and then the cargo certainly

440
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Speaker 2: is yeah. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

441
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Speaker 2: number to call.

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Speaker 3: So are you changing the way that you travel and

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Speaker 3: you're looking at your flights for the next twelve months.

444
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Speaker 3: And are you going back to the old travel agent

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Speaker 3: with all the disruptions, so you've got someone who heads

446
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Speaker 3: your back if things go wrong.

447
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Speaker 2: Can to hear your stories, Henry says, afternoon, lads, life

448
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Speaker 2: is tough. I'm listening to the show in the back

449
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Speaker 2: of my rolls Royce. I'm waiting for my driver to

450
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Speaker 2: come out of Baker's Light with some hot cross buns

451
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Speaker 2: which I'll give to the pilot of my private jet

452
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Speaker 2: to eat on the way to Queenstown. No need for

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Speaker 2: a travel agent for one of those. That's from Henry.

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Speaker 2: I can only take your text on face Vally of it.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, sounds like a good life. I mean

456
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Speaker 2: Baker's Delight rather than daily bread. You know that's tough, Henry,

457
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Speaker 2: That's tough.

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Speaker 3: Keep those teks coming through on nineteen niney two headlines

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Speaker 3: with Malcolm coming up.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jerdy. So we are talking about

482
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Speaker 3: how you're changing the way you travel if you are.

483
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Speaker 3: This is with the disruption in the airline industry at

484
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Speaker 3: the moment, Jet Stars the latest to drop the number

485
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Speaker 3: of flights by twelve percent, affecting the trans testment flights.

486
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Speaker 3: So if you've had to change the way you operate,

487
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Speaker 3: our one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

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Speaker 3: to call. Plenty of texts coming through on nine to

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Speaker 3: nine to two, Terierry, Welcome to the.

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Speaker 2: Showody, How are you all right? Good things?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, So we've just booked a holiday actually going to

492
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Speaker 14: Fiji in July through a travel agent.

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Speaker 2: I normally wouldn't but.

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Speaker 14: There's seven of us going from different parts of the

495
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Speaker 14: country for a family sort of thing. It's not a

496
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Speaker 14: great time for me personally from a financial point of view,

497
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Speaker 14: but as my wife pointed out, it's never going to

498
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Speaker 14: be a good time, you know. So so we just

499
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Speaker 14: gone through the travel agent. We found a lot easier

500
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Speaker 14: organizing the flights, making sure the insurance was done, making

501
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Speaker 14: sure we all connected so we could all travel down

502
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Speaker 14: to the an hour and a half from the airport

503
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Speaker 14: to the place of saying, and then making sure we

504
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Speaker 14: all got the rooms that we wanted. So it was

505
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Speaker 14: all that sort of logistic stuff that would have just

506
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Speaker 14: been me and her might have been different. We've probably

507
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Speaker 14: do it ourselves, but the whole group it was that

508
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Speaker 14: just made everything so much easier.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, where you're staying if you don't mind

510
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Speaker 2: me asking, somewhere.

511
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Speaker 12: Called Timber or Sands.

512
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Speaker 14: I think it's near Singapoka.

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Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, because I mean by the time you've got

514
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Speaker 2: all those moving parts of all those different people, that's

515
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Speaker 2: just a absolute head.

516
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Speaker 3: They can do the look this is a naive question,

517
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Speaker 3: but a travel agent. So for example, we're thinking about

518
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Speaker 3: a wider family trip over to Ossie for Christmas because

519
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Speaker 3: the older bros over the air? Can they sort out everybody?

520
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Speaker 3: If I say, can you please sort out seven people?

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Speaker 2: They'll do that.

522
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Speaker 15: Well.

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Speaker 14: Funny enough at the moment is what I'm saying. With

524
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Speaker 14: the Sliders, we're getting our kitchen done right. So we've

525
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Speaker 14: gone through a designer. I on't everyone has done that,

526
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Speaker 14: but even all your bloody mates, and we're going to

527
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Speaker 14: have just a order, you know. Whereas with the designer,

528
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Speaker 14: it was like everything that has laid out, it's exactly

529
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Speaker 14: the same process. It's the same thought process that we

530
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Speaker 14: know where we've then they're organized and everything. We know

531
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Speaker 14: when people are coming and it's exactly the same with

532
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Speaker 14: the blight travel.

533
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Speaker 8: And that you know, it's exactly the same for me.

534
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Speaker 8: There's a bit of costs, but you know where it.

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Speaker 14: I mean, even with the kitchen especially you you exactly

536
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Speaker 14: what we're getting charged with the travel agent, we don't.

537
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Speaker 14: But at the end of the day, mate, they're doing

538
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Speaker 14: a good job and I don't have to worry about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's there's a cost to your time and the

540
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Speaker 2: level of stress you're willing to take on board and

541
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Speaker 2: the effect that has on you know, what you do

542
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Speaker 2: for a living and there's a huge that stress and

543
00:24:37,533 --> 00:24:40,373
Speaker 2: complexities that you bring in. You've got a side whether

544
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Speaker 2: you want to become a full time travel agent for

545
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Speaker 2: a while just to sort out you and your friend's holiday.

546
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Speaker 2: You want to decide if you want to take time off.

547
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Speaker 2: You know, you're you're the amount of energy you've got

548
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Speaker 2: for your job to design your kitchen. There's there's all

549
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Speaker 2: decisions you make in life and sometimes it's better just

550
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Speaker 2: to pay a slight but more and be less stressed

551
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Speaker 2: and more productive. And what you do is your you

552
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Speaker 2: know your a.

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Speaker 14: Game absolutely, I mean, you've only got so much time

554
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Speaker 14: and it's the same thing with holiday. You know, well,

555
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Speaker 14: I was arguing it's financially and I feel and this

556
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Speaker 14: was something else what's going to happen on It is

557
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Speaker 14: like when you know or to be a strike over

558
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Speaker 14: there or civil unrest.

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Speaker 12: You know things are going.

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Speaker 14: To happen all the time, and you can know that, yeah, Princess,

561
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Speaker 14: and sometimes you just sort of say, well, we're doing it.

562
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Speaker 14: And I believe you know from from the understanding, we're

563
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Speaker 14: probably about three or four hundred, maybe five hundred dollars

564
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Speaker 14: more the cost, but you know it was the right

565
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Speaker 14: time because that's the time everyone else wanted.

566
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Speaker 8: To go, and it's just that we're doing it.

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Speaker 2: Good on your terry, Hope you have a great time

568
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Speaker 2: and good luck with the kitchen. Yeah, a couple of

569
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Speaker 2: texts coming through this one.

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Speaker 3: Giddy guys. You obviously never heard of the five year

571
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Speaker 3: reset hack. Apply for credit every where you can, use

572
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Speaker 3: a made up address, makes everything out and pull it

573
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Speaker 3: as cash. Deck collectors don't know where you are. Debts

574
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Speaker 3: are written off after five years in a clift from

575
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Speaker 3: your credit history, rinse and repeat.

576
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a good strategy. I mean,

577
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Speaker 2: well played to here, but anyone unless they do not

578
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Speaker 2: do that, you'll be on the run for the rest

579
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Speaker 2: of your life. Should we just accept that everyone in

580
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Speaker 2: New Zealand is living on the streets? Is this texta

581
00:26:04,533 --> 00:26:06,453
Speaker 2: I take your point that it's not it's not just

582
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Speaker 2: dooming Glenn, But I also remember being told that you

583
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Speaker 2: judge society by the way it looks after its most vulnerable. Maybe,

584
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Speaker 2: but if you can't discuss anything, and people are being

585
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Speaker 2: shamed for buying or spending anything, and people are claiming

586
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Speaker 2: that no one can travel because we're all starving, then

587
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Speaker 2: that's not the best way to go forward. That's a

588
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Speaker 2: totally different question. Sure you should try and look after

589
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Speaker 2: the most vulnerable. Absolutely, And as a country, we pump

590
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Speaker 2: so much money into our social welfare system and our

591
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Speaker 2: safety net. We pump so much in there, but we're

592
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Speaker 2: not much of a society if we don't move forward

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Speaker 2: and the people with money spend the money. Because people

594
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Speaker 2: don't spend money, then nothing works nothing, No businesses work

595
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Speaker 2: without people spending money. Anyone that's trying to let's just

596
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Speaker 2: say a bakery because we were talking about pie as yesterday.

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Speaker 2: If you're hassling people for buying hot cross buns because

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Speaker 2: there's some people on the street right now, then you're

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Speaker 2: going to have more people on the street because that

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Speaker 2: baker isn't going to be able to run a business,

601
00:27:09,973 --> 00:27:12,213
Speaker 2: are they. Yeah, we've got to spend money. It's just zero.

602
00:27:12,333 --> 00:27:15,413
Speaker 2: Some thinking it's because some people are struggling, and a

603
00:27:15,413 --> 00:27:17,933
Speaker 2: lot of the claims about struggle up political people just

604
00:27:17,973 --> 00:27:20,453
Speaker 2: want to use a rod and say, look, look these

605
00:27:20,493 --> 00:27:23,013
Speaker 2: people are having a tough time and use a rod

606
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Speaker 2: to beat everyone else up. But you've got it. You've

607
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Speaker 2: got to celebrate spending. Oh exactly.

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Speaker 3: But even there takes that come through and says we're

609
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Speaker 3: out of touch. I mean, really, I've booked two flights

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Speaker 3: in the next twelve months. That makes me out of touch.

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Speaker 2: I mean, give me a break. But thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for your correspondence. Jeff says. These are the same

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Speaker 2: muppets that pine for the good old days of the

614
00:27:41,653 --> 00:27:43,973
Speaker 2: last government telling us what to do and be kind.

615
00:27:44,013 --> 00:27:45,933
Speaker 2: As soon as something goes wrong, their default is to

616
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Speaker 2: ask what the government is going to do? When did

617
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Speaker 2: personal responsibility stop being a thing? Work it out for yourself? Yeah,

618
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Speaker 2: part of that as well. But conversely, get a travel

619
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Speaker 2: agent so you don't have to work it out for yourself.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like it. It's a lot of people know it. Oh,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 2: call twenty to two back in a moment.

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Speaker 1: The fresh take on took back Matt Heath and Tyler

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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons with scooter. Please go to codes every day

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Speaker 1: say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty news dogs, there'd.

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Speaker 3: Be seventeen to two. Have you gone back to using

628
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Speaker 3: a travel agent? With all the disruption happening in the

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Speaker 3: world of travel at the moment? I went hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighteen eighty Is that number to call?

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Speaker 2: Geta been?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, guys, Look I've got to holiday's books already this year.

633
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Speaker 6: One in June to Melbourne and one and one. We're

634
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Speaker 6: going to Mount Morganui over Christmas time, so we're flying

635
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Speaker 6: from christ Church to Wellington, get in the rental car

636
00:28:40,493 --> 00:28:44,213
Speaker 6: and then drive into Toto there. But look, you don't

637
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Speaker 6: have to be rich to go to go on a trip.

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Speaker 6: So what I do is I booked my one twelve

639
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Speaker 6: months in advance. I chucked the flights on after pay,

640
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Speaker 6: pay it off in just three over eight weeks.

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Speaker 16: Then when the flights are paid off, then I book

642
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Speaker 16: the accommodation in the rental car and I'll pay that off.

643
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Speaker 16: So within four months I've paid for my trip even

644
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Speaker 16: before I've taken it. So once I do take my trip.

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Speaker 6: Mate, I'm not coming back and I've got to pay

646
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Speaker 6: off the credit card. You know, I've got my money.

647
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Speaker 16: No, no, no, my trip's all paid for beforehand, and

648
00:29:12,733 --> 00:29:15,413
Speaker 16: it's all paid for through interest free, so that these

649
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Speaker 16: people saying you can't afford a trip, that's absolutely hog wash.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Ben, you're a You're not a billionaire, are you.

651
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Speaker 4: No?

652
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Speaker 16: No, no, but like you know, like we've got flights

653
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Speaker 16: to Wellington chriss Is Wellington at Christmas time, make four

654
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Speaker 16: hundred bucks you know, and you check it on after

655
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Speaker 16: pay that.

656
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Speaker 6: Works out to be fifty bucks a week. You know.

657
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Speaker 16: Like you say you know you can't afford it, Well

658
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Speaker 16: you actually can if you pay it off.

659
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Speaker 6: And you know, but people just want everything here and

660
00:29:41,613 --> 00:29:43,653
Speaker 6: now they don't want to you know, pay it off

661
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Speaker 6: and stuff like that. So yeah, no, I don't agree

662
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Speaker 6: with that.

663
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Speaker 2: Good on your Ben, Yeah, bit of planning.

664
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Speaker 3: And so you've always been someone who plans for in advance,

665
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Speaker 3: just for that very fact that you can pay it

666
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Speaker 3: off little by a little over time and it's not

667
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Speaker 3: a massive chunk of change in one go.

668
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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly right, and you go on the holiday, you

669
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Speaker 6: need to worry about paying for it when you get back.

670
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Speaker 6: And the other thing is generally if you book the

671
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Speaker 6: flights at least three or four months in a they're

672
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Speaker 6: generally half the price what they are you know, within

673
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Speaker 6: a week or two beforehand. So yeah, you've got to

674
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Speaker 6: plan ahead. I found booking dot COM's really good because

675
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Speaker 6: they do the flights, accommodation, and the rental cars, and

676
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Speaker 6: if you book all three you genuinely save about like

677
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Speaker 6: twenty percent off the rental car or something. So there

678
00:30:26,573 --> 00:30:30,293
Speaker 6: are some good deals out there. Yeah, travel agent's good,

679
00:30:30,413 --> 00:30:32,653
Speaker 6: but it's always good to book FLIXI fear as well,

680
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Speaker 6: So if you have to change your dates you can.

681
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Speaker 2: Yeah, smart ben think for you, call and enjoy your trip. Yay, guys.

682
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Speaker 2: A few years ago we were planning our honeymoon and

683
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Speaker 2: decided to use a travel agent because it was a

684
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Speaker 2: complicated trip. The agent was actually able to save us

685
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Speaker 2: a lot of money, not cost us more. They often

686
00:30:49,173 --> 00:30:51,693
Speaker 2: get better flight and hotel details than the public cans.

687
00:30:52,253 --> 00:30:58,613
Speaker 2: Another one you get travel agents. Hey you, Angela, Hello, Hello, Hello.

688
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Speaker 17: I could talk for hours about this at the Hope,

689
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Speaker 17: but I won't. I've just come back from a seven

690
00:31:06,013 --> 00:31:09,973
Speaker 17: week trip to Europe week my fiftieth birthday, because I

691
00:31:10,013 --> 00:31:12,693
Speaker 17: said I'd be on the Eiffel Tower on my fiftieth birthday,

692
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Speaker 17: So I used a combo of the travel life.

693
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Speaker 2: Did you just just just to stop you there for

694
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Speaker 2: a second, angel did you did you successfully pull that off?

695
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Speaker 2: Were you on the Eiffel Tower at your birthday?

696
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Speaker 17: A champagne in my hand and I went to the summit? Yeah,

697
00:31:28,653 --> 00:31:30,213
Speaker 17: it was awesome, It was awesome.

698
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Speaker 2: Congratulations, well done.

699
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Speaker 18: But we were just combo of a travel agent and

700
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Speaker 18: I did some self booking, and to be fear, probably

701
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Speaker 18: the only disaster I had was with something I self booked,

702
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Speaker 18: because literally I got to the hotel and there was

703
00:31:46,493 --> 00:31:49,533
Speaker 18: mould up the wolves and a shower that I couldn't

704
00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:53,253
Speaker 18: even put myself in. But having the travel agent was

705
00:31:53,293 --> 00:31:55,893
Speaker 18: great because literally after that I ran her and said, look,

706
00:31:56,213 --> 00:31:58,173
Speaker 18: I don't think I could do any of this other

707
00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:00,773
Speaker 18: self book stuff. So she took care of everything else

708
00:32:00,813 --> 00:32:04,253
Speaker 18: for me, which was amazing, We had one little hack

709
00:32:04,333 --> 00:32:09,253
Speaker 18: up where my husband arrived and seeing WOOT and couldn't

710
00:32:09,293 --> 00:32:13,453
Speaker 18: find a transfer, and she was able to get a

711
00:32:13,493 --> 00:32:16,373
Speaker 18: refund on that because they had not waited where they.

712
00:32:16,253 --> 00:32:18,573
Speaker 17: Were supposed to wait, So that was really good too.

713
00:32:19,773 --> 00:32:21,853
Speaker 18: But you know, just having her to fall back on

714
00:32:22,053 --> 00:32:26,853
Speaker 18: was awesome. And yeah, it was a great trip.

715
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Speaker 17: It was fabulous.

716
00:32:27,653 --> 00:32:31,293
Speaker 18: But what I will say is, no matter what western

717
00:32:31,333 --> 00:32:33,293
Speaker 18: country you go to in the world, at the moment,

718
00:32:33,453 --> 00:32:36,893
Speaker 18: every single one is facing the same challenges that we're

719
00:32:36,893 --> 00:32:40,413
Speaker 18: facing in New Zealand. You know, we're actually really lucky

720
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Speaker 18: with what we have. I spoke to one guy in

721
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Speaker 18: Italy and they don't even have a minimum wage over there,

722
00:32:45,533 --> 00:32:48,373
Speaker 18: and some of those guys are getting eight arrows an hour,

723
00:32:48,493 --> 00:32:51,733
Speaker 18: which is like sixteen bucks an hour here, and their

724
00:32:51,813 --> 00:32:56,893
Speaker 18: costs probably twice, if not three times, what we're paying

725
00:32:56,893 --> 00:32:59,213
Speaker 18: here for things like power and fuel and.

726
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Speaker 17: All sorts of stuff.

727
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Speaker 18: So we're actually incredibly lucky in this country, and I've

728
00:33:04,293 --> 00:33:06,173
Speaker 18: come back feeling very happy that I lived here.

729
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Speaker 2: Well, brilliant. When you were to your story, I can't

730
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Speaker 2: what was that what's that sign that goes at the

731
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Speaker 2: age of thirty seven? Yeah, you're sort of the opposite

732
00:33:16,253 --> 00:33:18,933
Speaker 2: of that when when you realize you'd never ride through Paris.

733
00:33:19,533 --> 00:33:21,453
Speaker 2: I don't think it's up the Oulpha Tower, but you're

734
00:33:21,493 --> 00:33:23,493
Speaker 2: not that at the age of fifty, you're at the

735
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Speaker 2: Oval Tower, and good on you.

736
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Speaker 18: And then I had to know in Venice the same day,

737
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Speaker 18: so that was pretty awesome too.

738
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Speaker 17: It was fabulous. It really was.

739
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Speaker 18: On a sad note, my daughter was supposed to be

740
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Speaker 18: going on a classic trip to Greece and Italy and

741
00:33:39,573 --> 00:33:43,813
Speaker 18: leaving next Saturday, and they have canceled that trip because

742
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Speaker 18: they we're having a five hour layover in Dubai and

743
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Speaker 18: the school wasn't prepared to take the risk of setting

744
00:33:50,093 --> 00:33:53,613
Speaker 18: that start to that layover, which I feel is just

745
00:33:53,773 --> 00:33:56,093
Speaker 18: so yep, it's so short sighted, and.

746
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Speaker 2: That they're going to be perfectly fine at a layover

747
00:34:00,613 --> 00:34:03,213
Speaker 2: for five hours in Dubai. Yeah. God, some people at

748
00:34:03,293 --> 00:34:04,453
Speaker 2: chicken lickings.

749
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Speaker 19: Yeah.

750
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Speaker 18: And it really frustrates that the kids were so hard.

751
00:34:07,893 --> 00:34:10,893
Speaker 18: It was over eleven thousand dollars for this trap. The

752
00:34:11,013 --> 00:34:14,852
Speaker 18: insurance won't cover the cancelation because it's an act of war.

753
00:34:16,413 --> 00:34:19,013
Speaker 18: Just hoping that they can get some of their money backed.

754
00:34:19,013 --> 00:34:20,133
Speaker 18: I'll get their flights back.

755
00:34:20,293 --> 00:34:26,773
Speaker 2: But other than that, that's when that's when fearful people

756
00:34:27,253 --> 00:34:29,853
Speaker 2: think they're being compassionate, but they're actually being cruel. Yeah,

757
00:34:29,853 --> 00:34:33,373
Speaker 2: because they are fearful people. Yeah. That that that guts me.

758
00:34:33,533 --> 00:34:36,293
Speaker 2: That's so annoying. I'm sorry to hear that, Angela, but

759
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you got to spend your fiftieth up the

760
00:34:38,573 --> 00:34:42,692
Speaker 2: Eiffel Tower. That is freaking awesome. Actually, you're fantastic, Thank

761
00:34:42,733 --> 00:34:44,613
Speaker 2: you very much. Joe and Under at eighty ten eighty

762
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Speaker 2: is the number to call? Are the Ballad of Lucy

763
00:34:46,853 --> 00:34:49,013
Speaker 2: Jordan from Mary and Faithful. That's the song that's trying

764
00:34:49,053 --> 00:34:51,453
Speaker 2: to remember Doctor Hawk, wasn't it. No, what do you

765
00:34:51,453 --> 00:34:53,093
Speaker 2: mean the Doctor Hawk? I just said it's the Ballad

766
00:34:53,133 --> 00:34:55,973
Speaker 2: of Lucy Jordan by Mary and Faithful. Oh okay, all right,

767
00:34:56,133 --> 00:34:59,573
Speaker 2: I'm looking at something different here. I say it's the

768
00:34:59,613 --> 00:35:02,173
Speaker 2: Ballad of Lucy Jordan by Mary and Faithful, and you

769
00:35:02,213 --> 00:35:04,093
Speaker 2: say it was doctor Hawk. I quickly googled it and

770
00:35:04,173 --> 00:35:06,053
Speaker 2: it says its doctor Hawk. But that's ai for you.

771
00:35:06,253 --> 00:35:08,692
Speaker 2: It's tricked me again, right, I Begary, check for doctor

772
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Speaker 2: It's tend to do.

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Speaker 1: Mad Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on. Oh eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons News Storks.

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Speaker 2: EDB newstorks 'B. It is seven to two, Liz. You

777
00:35:23,933 --> 00:35:25,373
Speaker 2: are a travel agent? Is that right?

778
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Speaker 20: I am?

779
00:35:26,853 --> 00:35:27,093
Speaker 17: I am.

780
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Speaker 21: I'm a home based travel broker, but I have worked

781
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Speaker 21: in an office in a retail environment for many years.

782
00:35:33,613 --> 00:35:36,173
Speaker 2: Brilliant So expouse the value of what you do.

783
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Speaker 21: Well, I guess really. I mean, obviously I've been listening

784
00:35:41,293 --> 00:35:44,493
Speaker 21: to what your people have been saying, and I mean

785
00:35:44,493 --> 00:35:46,333
Speaker 21: we do everything that they say we do, but I

786
00:35:46,373 --> 00:35:48,413
Speaker 21: think with a true value of what we do comes

787
00:35:48,453 --> 00:35:51,573
Speaker 21: out when there's an event like the current one. So

788
00:35:51,653 --> 00:35:54,373
Speaker 21: to give you a bit of an example, when obviously

789
00:35:54,413 --> 00:35:57,173
Speaker 21: it broke on Sunday the twenty eighth of feet or

790
00:35:57,173 --> 00:35:59,973
Speaker 21: whatever data was. You know a lot of agents that

791
00:36:00,053 --> 00:36:03,013
Speaker 21: I know, we're on their computers that day looking at

792
00:36:03,053 --> 00:36:05,253
Speaker 21: who did they have a way, where were they and

793
00:36:05,293 --> 00:36:07,693
Speaker 21: how could they help them. I was in contact with

794
00:36:07,733 --> 00:36:10,373
Speaker 21: a couple of the UK and had them rebooked in

795
00:36:10,453 --> 00:36:13,573
Speaker 21: our new Flights home within a couple of hours. So

796
00:36:14,453 --> 00:36:20,133
Speaker 21: we get access to policies from airlines and information from

797
00:36:20,173 --> 00:36:22,893
Speaker 21: the airlines, which means when the clients get impacted, we

798
00:36:22,973 --> 00:36:24,573
Speaker 21: can straight away just get in there and do what

799
00:36:24,573 --> 00:36:26,413
Speaker 21: we need to do. You don't have to be on

800
00:36:26,493 --> 00:36:28,853
Speaker 21: hold for seven or eight hours to the airline. You

801
00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:30,533
Speaker 21: don't have to try and work out what the rules

802
00:36:30,533 --> 00:36:33,013
Speaker 21: are or what the terms are. So I think that's

803
00:36:33,053 --> 00:36:34,973
Speaker 21: where our value really comes into play.

804
00:36:35,133 --> 00:36:36,693
Speaker 2: Have you seen an uptick now, Liz.

805
00:36:37,973 --> 00:36:38,773
Speaker 21: An uptick in?

806
00:36:39,973 --> 00:36:41,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot.

807
00:36:41,573 --> 00:36:46,373
Speaker 21: To be fair, we're back to pre COVID sort of

808
00:36:46,573 --> 00:36:50,973
Speaker 21: customer travels. Yeah, there is a demographics out there that

809
00:36:51,013 --> 00:36:55,453
Speaker 21: perhaps don't use us as much we suddainly don't. Well,

810
00:36:55,493 --> 00:36:57,853
Speaker 21: I don't know personally, I don't get as much customer

811
00:36:58,693 --> 00:37:02,453
Speaker 21: to Australia and maybe even the Pacific Islands. But yeah,

812
00:37:02,533 --> 00:37:05,933
Speaker 21: definitely that more complicated stuff. We're now getting younger generations

813
00:37:05,933 --> 00:37:08,013
Speaker 21: coming back to us because they haven't got the time,

814
00:37:08,733 --> 00:37:11,333
Speaker 21: but they just want our expertise and the most important

815
00:37:11,373 --> 00:37:13,453
Speaker 21: thing they want is to know they can call us

816
00:37:13,493 --> 00:37:14,853
Speaker 21: to help them if something goes wrong.

817
00:37:15,013 --> 00:37:18,212
Speaker 2: How you sound awesome, Liz. What's your How would people

818
00:37:18,213 --> 00:37:19,453
Speaker 2: get hold of you if they want you to broke

819
00:37:19,533 --> 00:37:19,973
Speaker 2: their travel?

820
00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:23,893
Speaker 21: I'm homebreaker, So my company name.

821
00:37:23,813 --> 00:37:25,653
Speaker 1: Is in sty Holidays Holidays.

822
00:37:25,653 --> 00:37:28,213
Speaker 21: I'd love to be able to help people, but obviously

823
00:37:28,253 --> 00:37:30,813
Speaker 21: there's a little bit of limitations. But look, any travel

824
00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:33,293
Speaker 21: agents in New Zealand, they're all fabulous. Yeah, when you've

825
00:37:33,333 --> 00:37:35,053
Speaker 21: been around for a while, you get to know quite

826
00:37:35,053 --> 00:37:37,533
Speaker 21: a lot of them, All the officers and agencies and

827
00:37:37,573 --> 00:37:40,013
Speaker 21: all the brokers in New Zealand. They're just working your

828
00:37:40,013 --> 00:37:42,212
Speaker 21: little tushes off at the moment for your clients. And

829
00:37:42,773 --> 00:37:44,613
Speaker 21: it's really nice to hear has been appreciated.

830
00:37:45,693 --> 00:37:47,573
Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing up. Yeah, you do a great job.

831
00:37:47,653 --> 00:37:50,613
Speaker 2: Thank thank you very much. Non paid endorsements Yeah, yeah,

832
00:37:51,333 --> 00:37:53,373
Speaker 2: So there's so much love coming through with travel agents

833
00:37:53,413 --> 00:37:55,573
Speaker 2: right now. But I've got a big apology to make

834
00:37:55,613 --> 00:37:57,893
Speaker 2: to you, tyle. You do you do? I do? So.

835
00:37:58,053 --> 00:38:02,333
Speaker 2: I'm only familiar with the Ballad of Lucy Jordan, the

836
00:38:02,333 --> 00:38:04,813
Speaker 2: Mary and Faithful version. Yes, it was actually written by

837
00:38:05,013 --> 00:38:08,333
Speaker 2: Shelle Silverstone and the first version of it was recorded

838
00:38:08,453 --> 00:38:11,133
Speaker 2: by Doctor Hook in the Medicine Show. So I'm so

839
00:38:11,173 --> 00:38:12,453
Speaker 2: sorry that I mocked you.

840
00:38:12,533 --> 00:38:14,893
Speaker 3: Thank you mate, thank you bad person. You know my

841
00:38:14,973 --> 00:38:19,373
Speaker 3: quick gurgling. Yeah, I had faith and that two second google.

842
00:38:19,133 --> 00:38:21,853
Speaker 2: And I had faith in Mary and Faithful. Her version

843
00:38:21,933 --> 00:38:24,093
Speaker 2: was the first, because that's the version I know yeah,

844
00:38:24,093 --> 00:38:26,933
Speaker 2: but which is odd because I love Doctor Howk. I'm

845
00:38:26,933 --> 00:38:28,933
Speaker 2: a big fan of Doctor Hock. So many, so many

846
00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:30,973
Speaker 2: great songs. Yeah, Sylvia's mother, what.

847
00:38:30,973 --> 00:38:34,053
Speaker 3: A Speaking of that song, I think this is a

848
00:38:34,053 --> 00:38:34,973
Speaker 3: little bit of it now, is it?

849
00:38:35,213 --> 00:38:42,053
Speaker 2: Yep? Mary Anne Faithful, Oh that's lovely as Angela, at

850
00:38:42,093 --> 00:38:45,013
Speaker 2: the age of fifty, celebrated birthday to the Eiffel Tower.

851
00:38:45,773 --> 00:38:50,013
Speaker 2: So she's unlike Lucy Jordan. Just for you, Angela, right,

852
00:38:50,133 --> 00:38:51,813
Speaker 2: new sport and weather is coming up.

853
00:38:51,813 --> 00:38:53,773
Speaker 22: But he lets hear a little bit of the ballad

854
00:38:53,893 --> 00:39:09,573
Speaker 22: of Lucy Jordan's.

855
00:39:01,773 --> 00:39:16,733
Speaker 23: He's after, I'm the care for after anyway, She's clean.

856
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Speaker 1: Scream, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends,

858
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Speaker 1: and everything in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 1: Afternoon Squid. Skoda News Talk said.

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Speaker 3: The afternoon, Welcome back into the show, seven past two.

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Speaker 2: You a little bit later. This hour. Hey, at the

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Speaker 2: end of the last hour, we were talking about the

867
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Speaker 2: Ballad of Lucy Jordan, Mary and Faithful. Yes, I didn't

868
00:39:58,373 --> 00:40:00,373
Speaker 2: realize what it's such a dark song that was. I

869
00:40:00,453 --> 00:40:02,773
Speaker 2: thought that at the age of thirty seven she imagined

870
00:40:02,773 --> 00:40:06,133
Speaker 2: all the stuff and then it actually happened. But a

871
00:40:06,173 --> 00:40:08,652
Speaker 2: bunch of people texting in have you actually looked into grim?

872
00:40:08,693 --> 00:40:13,333
Speaker 2: That song is? So at the end who and she

873
00:40:13,413 --> 00:40:15,333
Speaker 2: bowed and curtsyed to the man who reached out and

874
00:40:15,373 --> 00:40:17,333
Speaker 2: off to her hand and led her down to the

875
00:40:17,373 --> 00:40:21,533
Speaker 2: long white car that waited past the crowd. So she

876
00:40:21,533 --> 00:40:23,573
Speaker 2: gets taken away. She lost her mind. So the long

877
00:40:23,613 --> 00:40:26,293
Speaker 2: white car is the ambulance taken away because she's gone

878
00:40:26,333 --> 00:40:29,733
Speaker 2: fully mental. Well, that's sad and past the crowd. I

879
00:40:29,773 --> 00:40:31,493
Speaker 2: never listened to the end of that song. It's such

880
00:40:31,493 --> 00:40:33,573
Speaker 2: a nice song. I just assumed that at the age

881
00:40:33,573 --> 00:40:35,813
Speaker 2: of thirty seven she realized she'd never ride through Paris

882
00:40:35,813 --> 00:40:37,732
Speaker 2: in a sports car with the warm wind in her hair.

883
00:40:39,053 --> 00:40:41,693
Speaker 2: That eventually, and by the end of the song, she

884
00:40:41,733 --> 00:40:43,813
Speaker 2: does get to do that. I thought that's what happened.

885
00:40:44,133 --> 00:40:47,093
Speaker 2: So she let the phone keep ringing as she sat there,

886
00:40:47,133 --> 00:40:51,613
Speaker 2: softly singing pretty nursery rhymes she'd memorized in her daddy's

887
00:40:51,653 --> 00:40:53,453
Speaker 2: easy chesh Oh, she's gone crazy.

888
00:40:53,613 --> 00:40:56,293
Speaker 3: Oh, poor old Lucy Jordan, She's gone crazy. I mean

889
00:40:56,333 --> 00:40:58,133
Speaker 3: that's the thing with songs, isn't it. They're so beautiful

890
00:40:58,133 --> 00:41:00,652
Speaker 3: and so nice. Yeah, I mean, you never really delve

891
00:41:00,733 --> 00:41:02,773
Speaker 3: too deep into the nitty gritty of the meaning of

892
00:41:02,773 --> 00:41:03,093
Speaker 3: a song.

893
00:41:03,213 --> 00:41:05,133
Speaker 2: I don't anyway, now. I thought the last verse was

894
00:41:05,133 --> 00:41:07,133
Speaker 2: something like at thirty eight she did get to go

895
00:41:07,213 --> 00:41:09,692
Speaker 2: to Paris, of it through Paris with the sports car

896
00:41:09,773 --> 00:41:11,773
Speaker 2: with a woman here. That would have been a nice arending.

897
00:41:11,813 --> 00:41:16,613
Speaker 2: Yet she was committed all right after overdosing. Good to

898
00:41:16,653 --> 00:41:18,373
Speaker 2: clarify that. Thank you to those Dixters there.

899
00:41:18,413 --> 00:41:21,773
Speaker 3: Just before we get into our next discussion about headless humans,

900
00:41:22,093 --> 00:41:24,653
Speaker 3: there's a thought experiment that's been doing the rounds online.

901
00:41:24,693 --> 00:41:26,533
Speaker 3: So that is, if you were to go back in

902
00:41:26,613 --> 00:41:29,013
Speaker 3: time one hundred years, with all the knowledge you have

903
00:41:29,173 --> 00:41:32,533
Speaker 3: right now, what could you offer humanity in that time

904
00:41:32,573 --> 00:41:35,213
Speaker 3: to make things better? So all the new technology we have,

905
00:41:35,653 --> 00:41:39,613
Speaker 3: all that extra knowledge, breakthroughs, advance advancements, all of the

906
00:41:39,653 --> 00:41:41,973
Speaker 3: things that you know right now, if you were put

907
00:41:42,013 --> 00:41:44,172
Speaker 3: back in time one hundred years, what could you tell

908
00:41:44,213 --> 00:41:47,133
Speaker 3: those people to say, hey, I've got some advancements and

909
00:41:47,173 --> 00:41:48,252
Speaker 3: some tech to pass on.

910
00:41:48,853 --> 00:41:50,213
Speaker 2: What would be the one thing you could do?

911
00:41:50,253 --> 00:41:52,973
Speaker 3: And it made me think of this clip from comedian

912
00:41:53,413 --> 00:41:55,373
Speaker 3: Nate Bergetski, and here it is.

913
00:41:55,653 --> 00:41:57,773
Speaker 25: I've thought about it like time travel, Like if I

914
00:41:57,813 --> 00:42:01,773
Speaker 25: went back in time knowing everything I know now, I

915
00:42:01,773 --> 00:42:07,493
Speaker 25: don't think I would make a difference. I don't think

916
00:42:07,533 --> 00:42:10,533
Speaker 25: you would even hear about it. If I went back

917
00:42:10,533 --> 00:42:12,773
Speaker 25: to the twenties and I like saw some guy on

918
00:42:12,813 --> 00:42:15,493
Speaker 25: like an old phone, I'd be like, hey, eventually they

919
00:42:15,493 --> 00:42:18,093
Speaker 25: have phones you just carry in your pocket, and he'd

920
00:42:18,093 --> 00:42:19,453
Speaker 25: be like, yeah, how do they do it? It's like,

921
00:42:20,053 --> 00:42:24,613
Speaker 25: you know, I mean I don't know. I don't know

922
00:42:24,613 --> 00:42:27,853
Speaker 25: how they're doing it. It's like a satellite or something,

923
00:42:28,893 --> 00:42:30,293
Speaker 25: and they're like, what's the satellite?

924
00:42:30,373 --> 00:42:32,053
Speaker 1: Well, I shouldn't have even brought that up.

925
00:42:32,093 --> 00:42:38,333
Speaker 25: Then it's like a round metal dish or something that

926
00:42:38,453 --> 00:42:41,813
Speaker 25: that's gonna go pretty high in the air. I honestly

927
00:42:41,933 --> 00:42:46,853
Speaker 25: don't think I could prove I'm from the future. I mean,

928
00:42:48,413 --> 00:42:52,173
Speaker 25: they would want some proof, you know, who's the next president.

929
00:42:52,333 --> 00:42:56,893
Speaker 2: Oh boy, such a good point when he sees you

930
00:42:56,893 --> 00:42:58,853
Speaker 2: wouldn't even hear about it, so he went back in time,

931
00:42:58,893 --> 00:43:00,732
Speaker 2: and he'd make so little difference that it would never

932
00:43:00,733 --> 00:43:03,173
Speaker 2: even make the history books that someone went back. Yeah,

933
00:43:03,213 --> 00:43:04,973
Speaker 2: it's a good point. I think if you went back

934
00:43:04,973 --> 00:43:07,493
Speaker 2: in time, you'd probably just be a liability. Most of

935
00:43:07,573 --> 00:43:09,933
Speaker 2: us would be tough, useless, right, we couldn't even make

936
00:43:09,973 --> 00:43:12,133
Speaker 2: fire out and we couldn't make a shelter.

937
00:43:12,453 --> 00:43:14,533
Speaker 3: You'd end up like Lucy Jordan. They take it, they

938
00:43:14,613 --> 00:43:16,853
Speaker 3: cut your way and say you're you're crazy. So they

939
00:43:16,933 --> 00:43:18,533
Speaker 3: got this thing called the internet. I was, how does

940
00:43:18,573 --> 00:43:18,853
Speaker 3: that work?

941
00:43:18,933 --> 00:43:24,093
Speaker 2: Don't know how the internet works? I mean, yeah, your phone,

942
00:43:24,573 --> 00:43:26,613
Speaker 2: that's a good one. There's most people there's not a

943
00:43:26,653 --> 00:43:29,053
Speaker 2: single thing in their phone that they know how it

944
00:43:29,133 --> 00:43:32,692
Speaker 2: works or even what it does. Yeah, you imagine trying

945
00:43:32,693 --> 00:43:33,973
Speaker 2: to explain bluetooth to someone.

946
00:43:34,933 --> 00:43:37,093
Speaker 3: I don't understand how it works. Hope it works, and

947
00:43:37,093 --> 00:43:39,652
Speaker 3: when it doesn't, I get annoyed. But thank god, some

948
00:43:39,693 --> 00:43:41,692
Speaker 3: sparkys might be able to do some stuff. Is there

949
00:43:41,733 --> 00:43:43,053
Speaker 3: an electrician you went back?

950
00:43:43,573 --> 00:43:46,212
Speaker 2: Could you invent a light bulb? I mean there's been,

951
00:43:46,333 --> 00:43:48,812
Speaker 2: but you'd probably be a worse plumber if you went back,

952
00:43:49,333 --> 00:43:53,533
Speaker 2: because you know, plumbing now involves a lot of pre

953
00:43:53,653 --> 00:43:57,173
Speaker 2: made you know, plastic fittings that are much easier to

954
00:43:57,173 --> 00:43:59,253
Speaker 2: put together. Judging by when I put a sink in

955
00:43:59,293 --> 00:44:01,093
Speaker 2: the other day, yeah it was very easy. But there's

956
00:44:01,093 --> 00:44:01,653
Speaker 2: no bunnings.

957
00:44:01,733 --> 00:44:03,333
Speaker 3: So even if you've got all that plumbing knowledge and

958
00:44:03,373 --> 00:44:06,573
Speaker 3: say all you need is some PVC I pvc, are.

959
00:44:06,453 --> 00:44:11,573
Speaker 2: We the most useless humans that have ever existed? Practically speaking?

960
00:44:11,853 --> 00:44:16,373
Speaker 2: I think would be up there average, you know, across average,

961
00:44:16,413 --> 00:44:20,933
Speaker 2: because there's some genius, absolute genius engineers out there, there's

962
00:44:20,933 --> 00:44:22,773
Speaker 2: no doubt of it. And there's some people the smartest

963
00:44:22,773 --> 00:44:27,213
Speaker 2: people imaginea will exist out there, But the average everyday

964
00:44:27,293 --> 00:44:31,373
Speaker 2: human would be dumber and more useless than a hunter

965
00:44:31,413 --> 00:44:35,893
Speaker 2: and gatherer because at least they know how to make

966
00:44:35,973 --> 00:44:41,853
Speaker 2: snails on wilderbeast pie exactly. At least they would not

967
00:44:41,933 --> 00:44:46,253
Speaker 2: understand the seasons they were resourceful. In fact, I read

968
00:44:46,253 --> 00:44:49,653
Speaker 2: this book once and they reckoned looking at bones and

969
00:44:49,693 --> 00:44:54,293
Speaker 2: stuff that our ancestors, hundred and gather ancestors would basically

970
00:44:54,373 --> 00:44:57,293
Speaker 2: win every event at the Olympics now because they're outside,

971
00:44:57,333 --> 00:45:02,813
Speaker 2: they're hardcore, just balls of muscle, absolutely with a complete

972
00:45:02,893 --> 00:45:05,893
Speaker 2: knowledge of all of nature. You go back there, Tyler,

973
00:45:06,373 --> 00:45:08,573
Speaker 2: and they and you say, well, what did you do

974
00:45:08,613 --> 00:45:09,933
Speaker 2: in your time? And you're like, I used to talk

975
00:45:09,933 --> 00:45:12,493
Speaker 2: into a microphone to some people, Like we're with the people.

976
00:45:12,533 --> 00:45:15,733
Speaker 2: I don't know they were around the country. I ice

977
00:45:15,773 --> 00:45:19,213
Speaker 2: to talk into this padded microphone about stuff in the news.

978
00:45:19,493 --> 00:45:21,133
Speaker 2: They kick you out of the drive, so they leave

979
00:45:21,173 --> 00:45:23,253
Speaker 2: that guy behind these of no use to it. We

980
00:45:23,453 --> 00:45:26,813
Speaker 2: don't need any broadcasters. We do need someone that can

981
00:45:26,893 --> 00:45:29,693
Speaker 2: kill a mammoth, ye and skin it. Don't give that

982
00:45:29,733 --> 00:45:33,613
Speaker 2: guy any mammoth rights. Thank you to all those ticks

983
00:45:33,653 --> 00:45:36,173
Speaker 2: coming through. There's plenty coming through. But we want to

984
00:45:36,173 --> 00:45:38,493
Speaker 2: have a chat about this. So scientists are exploring the

985
00:45:38,533 --> 00:45:41,613
Speaker 2: idea of creating these headless human bodies, so.

986
00:45:41,653 --> 00:45:44,853
Speaker 3: Often called bodyoids. These are growing from stem cells, and

987
00:45:44,893 --> 00:45:47,893
Speaker 3: these bodies would be deliberately engineered without brains, meaning they

988
00:45:47,933 --> 00:45:50,813
Speaker 3: wouldn't be conscious or feel pain. So they want to

989
00:45:50,813 --> 00:45:53,652
Speaker 3: do this for several reasons. One to grow organs for transplants,

990
00:45:53,693 --> 00:45:56,973
Speaker 3: hoping to solve shortages worldwide. They want to test drugs

991
00:45:56,973 --> 00:45:59,493
Speaker 3: safely without risking real people, and they also want to

992
00:45:59,493 --> 00:46:02,853
Speaker 3: reduce animal testing in research. The concept is becoming more

993
00:46:02,893 --> 00:46:06,493
Speaker 3: realistic thanks to advancers in stem cell science and artificial

994
00:46:06,573 --> 00:46:09,813
Speaker 3: womb technology. But there is a big issue here. It

995
00:46:09,853 --> 00:46:13,213
Speaker 3: does for many people raise major ethical concerns. Many people

996
00:46:13,213 --> 00:46:16,453
Speaker 3: find the idea disturbing in question whether they're creating human

997
00:46:16,533 --> 00:46:21,853
Speaker 3: like bodies even without heads or consciousness, crosses a moral line.

998
00:46:23,173 --> 00:46:24,493
Speaker 2: So can you get your thoughts on that?

999
00:46:24,653 --> 00:46:27,652
Speaker 3: Is there an ethical dilemma there? If you create a

1000
00:46:27,773 --> 00:46:31,613
Speaker 3: human body, it doesn't have a brain, it cannot think,

1001
00:46:31,813 --> 00:46:32,813
Speaker 3: it cannot feel pain.

1002
00:46:34,093 --> 00:46:37,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you harvest it for its organs. It's interesting

1003
00:46:37,053 --> 00:46:42,333
Speaker 2: because these ones now that the humans that they don't

1004
00:46:42,333 --> 00:46:45,573
Speaker 2: have the go ahead to do it on humans yet,

1005
00:46:45,613 --> 00:46:47,853
Speaker 2: so they're doing it with monkeys. It takes nine years

1006
00:46:47,893 --> 00:46:52,013
Speaker 2: to build something that's producing organs that you might be

1007
00:46:52,053 --> 00:46:55,213
Speaker 2: able to take out and use for something else. It's terrifying,

1008
00:46:55,253 --> 00:46:55,573
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1009
00:46:56,053 --> 00:46:58,732
Speaker 3: Would you take if you needed an organ and they said,

1010
00:46:58,733 --> 00:47:00,093
Speaker 3: we've got these body ooids.

1011
00:47:00,413 --> 00:47:03,453
Speaker 2: They don't really have a brain, but they will grow

1012
00:47:03,453 --> 00:47:07,053
Speaker 2: functional organs, systems, lungs, kidneys, hearts. I mean, we have

1013
00:47:07,093 --> 00:47:11,573
Speaker 2: a massive problem worth organ donation. We've got huge lists,

1014
00:47:11,613 --> 00:47:13,813
Speaker 2: four hundred people on the lists right now in New Zealand.

1015
00:47:13,853 --> 00:47:19,013
Speaker 2: I believe for organ donations we need blood, yes, constantly

1016
00:47:19,053 --> 00:47:22,173
Speaker 2: having to, you know, encourage people to go and give blood.

1017
00:47:22,773 --> 00:47:25,333
Speaker 2: But this is a system where you just have some

1018
00:47:25,653 --> 00:47:30,853
Speaker 2: kind of headless being that's producing all the blood you

1019
00:47:30,933 --> 00:47:34,253
Speaker 2: need as well, Yeah, everything you need. So what's wrong

1020
00:47:34,293 --> 00:47:35,213
Speaker 2: with that? Wh wouldn't you do that?

1021
00:47:35,373 --> 00:47:37,213
Speaker 3: I would in a heartbeat if I needed a new

1022
00:47:37,333 --> 00:47:41,253
Speaker 3: organ and they created this, this headless human or bodyoid,

1023
00:47:41,613 --> 00:47:43,573
Speaker 3: I'd take it in a heartbeat, you know. I think

1024
00:47:43,573 --> 00:47:45,493
Speaker 3: on the ethical side of things, people say, well, it's

1025
00:47:45,493 --> 00:47:48,693
Speaker 3: one step before we've got a cloning situation. And you

1026
00:47:48,813 --> 00:47:51,573
Speaker 3: mentioned you know that great movie The Island with you

1027
00:47:51,693 --> 00:47:54,093
Speaker 3: and McGregor where they are cloning.

1028
00:47:53,693 --> 00:47:55,613
Speaker 2: And the very red people Scarlett Johanson.

1029
00:47:55,693 --> 00:47:58,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, great movie. But that's what some people are arguing

1030
00:47:58,213 --> 00:48:00,453
Speaker 3: to say. Where's the split between what they're doing Now?

1031
00:48:00,573 --> 00:48:03,573
Speaker 3: Then they start creating clones for wealthy people if anything

1032
00:48:03,613 --> 00:48:04,653
Speaker 3: goes wrong with their body.

1033
00:48:04,853 --> 00:48:06,732
Speaker 2: But it's all very well for people to say that's

1034
00:48:06,733 --> 00:48:08,773
Speaker 2: disgusting and I don't want any part of it. But

1035
00:48:08,853 --> 00:48:12,293
Speaker 2: then a loved one needs an organ transplant, and then

1036
00:48:12,333 --> 00:48:14,333
Speaker 2: I think you change your mind pretty quick, wouldn't you. Yeah,

1037
00:48:14,333 --> 00:48:16,212
Speaker 2: what do you say? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1038
00:48:16,253 --> 00:48:19,172
Speaker 2: is that number to call? Nine to nine two. So

1039
00:48:19,413 --> 00:48:20,933
Speaker 2: humanoid organs.

1040
00:48:20,933 --> 00:48:23,253
Speaker 3: Would that be something that you have any problem with

1041
00:48:23,253 --> 00:48:24,893
Speaker 3: on an ethical side of things? Or is that the

1042
00:48:24,933 --> 00:48:27,933
Speaker 3: way forward? Nineteen ninety two is the text.

1043
00:48:27,773 --> 00:48:30,613
Speaker 2: Number as well, not those kind of organs. Mars, Yeah,

1044
00:48:30,653 --> 00:48:33,093
Speaker 2: come on, Mars and it's quarter past two.

1045
00:48:32,893 --> 00:48:37,493
Speaker 1: Wow, your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

1046
00:48:37,533 --> 00:48:41,493
Speaker 1: Afternoons call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk said, be.

1047
00:48:43,613 --> 00:48:46,213
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, Judas eighteen pass two. Just before we

1048
00:48:46,493 --> 00:48:50,172
Speaker 3: get into the idea of these headless humans for organ

1049
00:48:50,213 --> 00:48:53,133
Speaker 3: transplants and other we've got a couple of texts and

1050
00:48:53,213 --> 00:48:55,773
Speaker 3: calls coming through on this thought experiment that's been doing

1051
00:48:55,773 --> 00:48:57,772
Speaker 3: the rounds online that if you went back in time

1052
00:48:57,813 --> 00:49:00,013
Speaker 3: one hundred years with the knowledge you have right now,

1053
00:49:00,013 --> 00:49:02,973
Speaker 3: what could you offer people in that time to make

1054
00:49:03,093 --> 00:49:03,733
Speaker 3: things better?

1055
00:49:03,933 --> 00:49:05,093
Speaker 2: Josh, how are you mate?

1056
00:49:05,653 --> 00:49:05,813
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1057
00:49:05,853 --> 00:49:07,853
Speaker 5: Hey, boys, yeah, I was cracking up about that. It's

1058
00:49:07,893 --> 00:49:10,813
Speaker 5: quite you don't well you could talk about that for age.

1059
00:49:10,653 --> 00:49:14,773
Speaker 26: Is how much intervention you go to I was thinking

1060
00:49:14,813 --> 00:49:19,733
Speaker 26: about hand washing. Hey, you imagine going back and introducing

1061
00:49:19,813 --> 00:49:24,733
Speaker 26: hand washing a bit earlier. I wonder what the ramifications

1062
00:49:24,813 --> 00:49:26,652
Speaker 26: moving forward though, would be, Like.

1063
00:49:26,933 --> 00:49:29,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there was there. There was that Hungarian guy,

1064
00:49:29,213 --> 00:49:31,493
Speaker 2: wasn't it who was telling everyone to wash their hands,

1065
00:49:31,533 --> 00:49:34,373
Speaker 2: especially around twelve childbirth and surgery, and everyone said he

1066
00:49:34,413 --> 00:49:37,333
Speaker 2: was crazy and he got discredited and the doctors took

1067
00:49:37,413 --> 00:49:40,853
Speaker 2: us that's right. But as soon as the surgeon started

1068
00:49:40,893 --> 00:49:43,933
Speaker 2: washing their hands, it saved so many babies and so

1069
00:49:44,053 --> 00:49:46,212
Speaker 2: many lives. I mean, that would be a great one

1070
00:49:46,213 --> 00:49:47,973
Speaker 2: to take back there. Just wash your hands, guys.

1071
00:49:48,053 --> 00:49:50,653
Speaker 1: Gym theory, yeah for sure, for sure.

1072
00:49:51,293 --> 00:49:52,652
Speaker 27: All right, yeah, that's all from me.

1073
00:49:52,773 --> 00:49:55,773
Speaker 2: But yeah, anything you can think of anything else. You

1074
00:49:55,773 --> 00:50:00,212
Speaker 2: couldn't explain how the tery works, Nah.

1075
00:49:59,973 --> 00:50:00,292
Speaker 8: I don't.

1076
00:50:00,333 --> 00:50:00,933
Speaker 28: I don't think.

1077
00:50:01,213 --> 00:50:05,212
Speaker 5: Nah, it's pretty hard because you didn't need the all

1078
00:50:05,293 --> 00:50:08,853
Speaker 5: the infrastructure and all the mechanics of the able to

1079
00:50:08,933 --> 00:50:12,133
Speaker 5: make that. So that the internet thing would be rather difficult.

1080
00:50:12,173 --> 00:50:15,013
Speaker 5: But perhaps a new kind of music, like be the

1081
00:50:15,053 --> 00:50:18,453
Speaker 5: first guy to invented a kind of music you already

1082
00:50:18,453 --> 00:50:19,053
Speaker 5: don't exist.

1083
00:50:19,253 --> 00:50:22,733
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like that that movie yesterday. Yes, you just

1084
00:50:22,773 --> 00:50:26,733
Speaker 2: start playing all the Beatles songs saying you wrote them. Yeah, Josh,

1085
00:50:26,733 --> 00:50:29,573
Speaker 2: thanks very much. Mates. Yeah, that's an interesting one though.

1086
00:50:29,573 --> 00:50:31,573
Speaker 2: But if you did go back and you said, look,

1087
00:50:32,133 --> 00:50:34,533
Speaker 2: we need you need to wash your hands, you said

1088
00:50:34,533 --> 00:50:36,453
Speaker 2: to the doctors, and they'd go and you go, why

1089
00:50:36,813 --> 00:50:41,013
Speaker 2: because there's these little little germs that are on your

1090
00:50:41,013 --> 00:50:44,173
Speaker 2: hands and they're killing and then you transfer them and

1091
00:50:44,173 --> 00:50:45,893
Speaker 2: they kill people and they let their germs. Yeah, could

1092
00:50:45,893 --> 00:50:47,373
Speaker 2: you tell us more about that? And you go, yeah,

1093
00:50:47,733 --> 00:50:49,453
Speaker 2: you just got to kill the germs. So this is

1094
00:50:49,453 --> 00:50:53,172
Speaker 2: these invisible things that are on our hands that are

1095
00:50:53,173 --> 00:50:57,933
Speaker 2: going into the patient and the these mothers at childbirth

1096
00:50:57,973 --> 00:51:01,453
Speaker 2: and that's killing them. Yeah, they'd go shut up, yep,

1097
00:51:02,253 --> 00:51:04,053
Speaker 2: and we're going to put you on a mentors. Yep,

1098
00:51:04,053 --> 00:51:07,813
Speaker 2: you are crazy. Yeah, yeah, oh one hundred eighty is

1099
00:51:07,853 --> 00:51:08,772
Speaker 2: the number to call.

1100
00:51:08,853 --> 00:51:12,253
Speaker 3: But we are also talking about this idea of headless humans.

1101
00:51:13,333 --> 00:51:15,693
Speaker 3: So this is it's in the works.

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00:51:15,493 --> 00:51:16,853
Speaker 2: At the moment. There's a lot of money being pumped

1103
00:51:16,853 --> 00:51:18,413
Speaker 2: into it. But well, they've already got the body always

1104
00:51:18,453 --> 00:51:22,893
Speaker 2: based on monkeys. Yes, that they are trying to develop

1105
00:51:22,973 --> 00:51:25,333
Speaker 2: this company to be used so you can do trials,

1106
00:51:25,333 --> 00:51:27,172
Speaker 2: because they do a lot of trials on mice, right,

1107
00:51:27,373 --> 00:51:29,853
Speaker 2: but mice aren't very close to humans, so a lot

1108
00:51:29,853 --> 00:51:32,413
Speaker 2: of medical pharmaceutical trials on mice and when it actually

1109
00:51:32,413 --> 00:51:35,133
Speaker 2: goes up to humans, mice is so different. From humans.

1110
00:51:35,173 --> 00:51:37,253
Speaker 2: I mean, look how close to their how short their

1111
00:51:37,293 --> 00:51:38,853
Speaker 2: throat is, and all those kind of things. You don't

1112
00:51:39,133 --> 00:51:41,573
Speaker 2: You can go mouse trials, rodent trials, and then it

1113
00:51:41,613 --> 00:51:44,533
Speaker 2: goes up to humans and just doesn't work. Yes, it's

1114
00:51:44,573 --> 00:51:48,533
Speaker 2: totally different physiology, a lot more danger. Yeah, but this

1115
00:51:48,653 --> 00:51:50,893
Speaker 2: is the idea is you get beings that are closer

1116
00:51:50,893 --> 00:51:54,733
Speaker 2: to humans, like apes, and without having to try the

1117
00:51:54,813 --> 00:52:00,093
Speaker 2: drugs or pharmaceutical procedures or surgical procedures on apes and

1118
00:52:00,293 --> 00:52:03,893
Speaker 2: ones like a chimpanzee, which people don't like that, they

1119
00:52:03,893 --> 00:52:05,893
Speaker 2: don't like the versection of it. You just make the

1120
00:52:06,253 --> 00:52:08,733
Speaker 2: organs and you and you make it so that you

1121
00:52:08,773 --> 00:52:12,333
Speaker 2: can do these experiments without any creature with a consciousness, conscience,

1122
00:52:12,413 --> 00:52:16,293
Speaker 2: or nervous system experiencing it. So they're already already doing it.

1123
00:52:16,453 --> 00:52:18,893
Speaker 2: So they essentially have the technology to do it with humans,

1124
00:52:18,893 --> 00:52:20,893
Speaker 2: they're just not allowed to yet. Hey guys, I'm confused.

1125
00:52:20,933 --> 00:52:26,813
Speaker 2: Without a brain, what is pumping blood ensuring functioning organs,

1126
00:52:26,853 --> 00:52:30,613
Speaker 2: et cetera. I mean, that's a really good question, because

1127
00:52:31,493 --> 00:52:36,093
Speaker 2: is it the medulla oblongata the medulla umbergata, which is

1128
00:52:36,133 --> 00:52:40,093
Speaker 2: the part of the it's in the it's that what

1129
00:52:40,373 --> 00:52:44,212
Speaker 2: controls breathing and all the automatic behaviors of humans. Right,

1130
00:52:44,293 --> 00:52:47,733
Speaker 2: it's in the brain stem, right, yep. So there's thoughts

1131
00:52:47,773 --> 00:52:49,533
Speaker 2: that we have, and then there's just the automatic stuff

1132
00:52:49,533 --> 00:52:50,893
Speaker 2: that's doing all the time that you don't. You don't

1133
00:52:50,973 --> 00:52:54,373
Speaker 2: remind yourself to breathe. It just does science, So I

1134
00:52:54,773 --> 00:52:58,013
Speaker 2: assume they can do that just by electrical impulses or

1135
00:52:58,093 --> 00:53:00,173
Speaker 2: some such. Yeah, if you don't have the brain, or

1136
00:53:00,213 --> 00:53:05,013
Speaker 2: maybe you have you know, maybe you have that part

1137
00:53:05,053 --> 00:53:07,333
Speaker 2: of it, but not the conscious part of the brain.

1138
00:53:07,373 --> 00:53:11,373
Speaker 2: Maybe you have the medulla oblongata sounds right, but you

1139
00:53:11,413 --> 00:53:14,693
Speaker 2: don't have the you don't have the prefrontal cortex.

1140
00:53:14,773 --> 00:53:17,093
Speaker 3: Yeah's interesting one, Yeah, interesting text. Oh one hundred and

1141
00:53:17,133 --> 00:53:19,373
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nineteen ninety

1142
00:53:19,373 --> 00:53:23,093
Speaker 3: two is the text number. Plenty of calls lined up,

1143
00:53:23,173 --> 00:53:25,653
Speaker 3: so stand by. We will be back very shortly after

1144
00:53:25,933 --> 00:53:27,613
Speaker 3: we play some messages. We have a chat with Ethan.

1145
00:53:27,653 --> 00:53:29,413
Speaker 3: He doesn't like the ethics around that, so that is

1146
00:53:29,453 --> 00:53:30,773
Speaker 3: coming up. Twenty three PAS.

1147
00:53:30,533 --> 00:53:38,053
Speaker 1: Two Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1148
00:53:38,053 --> 00:53:40,013
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on us talk ZIB.

1149
00:53:40,573 --> 00:53:42,732
Speaker 2: There's twenty five past too.

1150
00:53:42,733 --> 00:53:45,533
Speaker 3: So scientists are exploring this idea of creating headless human

1151
00:53:45,533 --> 00:53:48,693
Speaker 3: bodies body ooids grown from stem cells, which would be

1152
00:53:48,853 --> 00:53:52,613
Speaker 3: used and deliberately engineered without brains, but used for things

1153
00:53:52,653 --> 00:53:53,613
Speaker 3: like organ transplants.

1154
00:53:53,653 --> 00:53:55,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're called bodyoids. What they've made so far so

1155
00:53:55,933 --> 00:53:59,533
Speaker 2: clusters of working organs grown together, hearts, lungs, kidneys, hooked

1156
00:53:59,613 --> 00:54:02,933
Speaker 2: ups into a functioning biological system, but with no brain

1157
00:54:03,493 --> 00:54:09,013
Speaker 2: or nervous system. Sounds full on ethan, Welcome to the show.

1158
00:54:09,013 --> 00:54:09,533
Speaker 2: What do you reckon?

1159
00:54:10,813 --> 00:54:14,013
Speaker 29: Oh? Yeah, I do start to question the ethics on

1160
00:54:14,053 --> 00:54:21,453
Speaker 29: that at the moment, Like it sounds quite dystopian to say,

1161
00:54:21,533 --> 00:54:23,893
Speaker 29: put it lightly ideas, And you also need to start

1162
00:54:23,893 --> 00:54:26,773
Speaker 29: thinking like what else can can people start using these

1163
00:54:26,773 --> 00:54:31,013
Speaker 29: bodies for? Like they're sick depraved thoughts?

1164
00:54:31,213 --> 00:54:35,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there are. Wherever there's anything, there's sick depraved

1165
00:54:35,253 --> 00:54:37,613
Speaker 2: humans wanting to do sick behaves stuff to it, just

1166
00:54:37,653 --> 00:54:39,973
Speaker 2: like any part of everything we've done in any kind

1167
00:54:39,973 --> 00:54:40,732
Speaker 2: of technology.

1168
00:54:41,853 --> 00:54:44,812
Speaker 29: But and you just start to wonder, like where where

1169
00:54:44,813 --> 00:54:48,013
Speaker 29: where where we aren't humans? Like where we're creating these

1170
00:54:49,253 --> 00:54:53,093
Speaker 29: freaks of nature to do un speakable things to them?

1171
00:54:53,133 --> 00:54:55,933
Speaker 29: Like yes, they don't have consciousness, Yes, they don't feel anything,

1172
00:54:55,973 --> 00:54:58,573
Speaker 29: but like, I don't know.

1173
00:54:59,453 --> 00:55:04,333
Speaker 2: But but what about the fact that that people need

1174
00:55:04,493 --> 00:55:08,732
Speaker 2: these you know, people with children, people kids, There's all

1175
00:55:08,773 --> 00:55:10,533
Speaker 2: these kinds of people in the world that need organs

1176
00:55:10,533 --> 00:55:12,732
Speaker 2: and will die without them, and we just can't get

1177
00:55:12,853 --> 00:55:16,692
Speaker 2: enough from organ donation. So isn't there a whole heap

1178
00:55:16,733 --> 00:55:18,973
Speaker 2: of good in that kind of technology if you're essentially

1179
00:55:19,013 --> 00:55:23,652
Speaker 2: just growing a spire part that, Yeah.

1180
00:55:22,853 --> 00:55:25,213
Speaker 29: But I just start to question where our humority and

1181
00:55:25,253 --> 00:55:26,973
Speaker 29: then I.

1182
00:55:26,933 --> 00:55:29,773
Speaker 2: Mean, you get your questioning when it becomes a human.

1183
00:55:30,333 --> 00:55:34,373
Speaker 29: I guess, I guess, Yeah, how much of a human

1184
00:55:34,413 --> 00:55:35,933
Speaker 29: as human just our brain?

1185
00:55:36,013 --> 00:55:36,133
Speaker 6: Is it?

1186
00:55:36,293 --> 00:55:39,893
Speaker 2: Just well, that's interesting that you asked that, because that

1187
00:55:40,013 --> 00:55:42,213
Speaker 2: you know, they do studies on the human stomach and

1188
00:55:42,253 --> 00:55:45,453
Speaker 2: it has more neurons than a dog. So your your

1189
00:55:45,493 --> 00:55:49,253
Speaker 2: gut has got its own brain effectively.

1190
00:55:50,053 --> 00:55:52,613
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're second in the heads of half the time.

1191
00:55:52,773 --> 00:55:53,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1192
00:55:54,093 --> 00:55:55,973
Speaker 3: I get your point though, Ethan, is that I can

1193
00:55:56,053 --> 00:55:58,613
Speaker 3: see a lot of good coming out of this technology.

1194
00:55:58,613 --> 00:56:01,053
Speaker 3: But like a lot of these things, these are stepping

1195
00:56:01,133 --> 00:56:06,133
Speaker 3: stones to areas where right now we'd probably be aghast

1196
00:56:06,173 --> 00:56:07,453
Speaker 3: at at even getting to that point.

1197
00:56:07,493 --> 00:56:08,293
Speaker 2: But that's the whole point.

1198
00:56:08,453 --> 00:56:11,013
Speaker 3: When you go slowly, right that you kind of break

1199
00:56:11,093 --> 00:56:14,652
Speaker 3: down the defenses and the ethical standards we have if

1200
00:56:14,693 --> 00:56:17,813
Speaker 3: you go slowly but by berts, and then it slowly

1201
00:56:17,813 --> 00:56:20,573
Speaker 3: becomes a little bit easier for people to digest. But

1202
00:56:20,693 --> 00:56:23,053
Speaker 3: right now, I don't want to see full human clones

1203
00:56:23,093 --> 00:56:25,813
Speaker 3: being harvested for their organs. But this may if they

1204
00:56:25,813 --> 00:56:27,893
Speaker 3: get to that point, then it may make it easier

1205
00:56:28,453 --> 00:56:29,853
Speaker 3: to get that across the line.

1206
00:56:29,853 --> 00:56:33,373
Speaker 29: Imagine that as a thought of some sort of humanoid

1207
00:56:33,413 --> 00:56:34,893
Speaker 29: body just without a head.

1208
00:56:35,373 --> 00:56:39,533
Speaker 2: From that, well, it's a it's a horror show. We've

1209
00:56:39,573 --> 00:56:42,533
Speaker 2: seen it in sci fi movies, don't we. You walk

1210
00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:44,893
Speaker 2: into the wrong part of the lab and you come

1211
00:56:44,933 --> 00:56:48,212
Speaker 2: across this, I mean, that's that's a horror show, isn't it?

1212
00:56:48,213 --> 00:56:48,453
Speaker 1: It is?

1213
00:56:54,053 --> 00:56:54,212
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1214
00:56:54,333 --> 00:56:56,292
Speaker 2: I think he makes some fair points there. Bob says,

1215
00:56:56,333 --> 00:56:58,973
Speaker 2: we're a bag of meat that converts food into electricity.

1216
00:56:59,573 --> 00:57:02,493
Speaker 2: That our fligering, fiddling south then learns from other meat

1217
00:57:02,493 --> 00:57:07,013
Speaker 2: bags how to learn. Cheers Bob, So I reckon, he's

1218
00:57:07,053 --> 00:57:09,133
Speaker 2: just saying we're meat bags. We might as well have

1219
00:57:09,173 --> 00:57:12,093
Speaker 2: meat bags without heads making parts for other meat bags.

1220
00:57:12,253 --> 00:57:18,133
Speaker 2: We're all just organic meat baggs go for gold. Yeah. Yeah,

1221
00:57:18,413 --> 00:57:23,253
Speaker 2: but the thing is if you, yeah, you start off

1222
00:57:23,293 --> 00:57:24,933
Speaker 2: not doing the brains, and then someone wants to do

1223
00:57:24,973 --> 00:57:29,173
Speaker 2: the brains, right, yeah, and then you've got computers to run.

1224
00:57:29,253 --> 00:57:33,133
Speaker 2: You've got meat computers that are just four hundred humans

1225
00:57:33,133 --> 00:57:36,653
Speaker 2: consciousnesses linked together, that have no eyes and no ears,

1226
00:57:36,693 --> 00:57:40,453
Speaker 2: and a Helen Kelly airing up ideas for Hollywood movies

1227
00:57:40,533 --> 00:57:40,893
Speaker 2: or something.

1228
00:57:40,973 --> 00:57:43,293
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of calls.

1229
00:57:43,293 --> 00:57:45,453
Speaker 3: So is this a step too far? Can you see

1230
00:57:45,453 --> 00:57:48,613
Speaker 3: the god out of this sort of technology or the

1231
00:57:48,693 --> 00:57:51,453
Speaker 3: ethical considerations a little bit too grotesque for you?

1232
00:57:51,533 --> 00:57:53,373
Speaker 2: List says, Hey, Hi, Matt and Tyler love the show.

1233
00:57:53,373 --> 00:57:55,453
Speaker 2: If it doesn't have a head, why don't they just

1234
00:57:55,533 --> 00:57:57,813
Speaker 2: do the organs and the bits that are required. Where

1235
00:57:57,853 --> 00:57:59,693
Speaker 2: do they need the whole body? It seems like a

1236
00:57:59,693 --> 00:58:02,533
Speaker 2: lot of waste. I think it wouldn't look like a

1237
00:58:02,733 --> 00:58:05,973
Speaker 2: human body. I don't think it would just be strung

1238
00:58:06,053 --> 00:58:11,653
Speaker 2: together with the blood supply, so they probably wouldn't bother

1239
00:58:12,093 --> 00:58:14,693
Speaker 2: growing anything that they didn't need. Yeah, like it might

1240
00:58:14,733 --> 00:58:16,893
Speaker 2: not have hands. Yes, yeah, it's not going to look

1241
00:58:16,933 --> 00:58:18,733
Speaker 2: like an actual human body with no head.

1242
00:58:18,773 --> 00:58:19,173
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1243
00:58:19,213 --> 00:58:21,173
Speaker 2: I mean that was just my reading of the technology.

1244
00:58:21,453 --> 00:58:23,333
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. It is disgusting.

1245
00:58:23,613 --> 00:58:25,893
Speaker 3: Right headlines with Jody coming up but taking your calls

1246
00:58:25,893 --> 00:58:27,413
Speaker 3: OZ eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty if you want

1247
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Speaker 3: to see the text nineteen ninet two was that number

1248
00:58:29,213 --> 00:58:30,493
Speaker 3: bang on Habas too.

1249
00:58:30,613 --> 00:58:32,853
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people text and saying that they

1250
00:58:32,893 --> 00:58:37,173
Speaker 2: work with brainless humans that are just sacks of organs.

1251
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jody. So we're talking about this

1273
00:59:54,813 --> 00:59:55,733
Speaker 3: new company and it's.

1274
00:59:55,573 --> 00:59:57,573
Speaker 2: Got a lot of backing behind a lot of money.

1275
00:59:57,573 --> 01:00:02,333
Speaker 3: They are hoping to create headless humans and the reason

1276
01:00:02,373 --> 01:00:05,013
Speaker 3: for that there's actually another name that they call it

1277
01:00:05,053 --> 01:00:07,453
Speaker 3: which I've just lost bodyoid body words. Yeah, thank you,

1278
01:00:07,533 --> 01:00:09,893
Speaker 3: growing from Stem's and the reason they want to do that,

1279
01:00:09,893 --> 01:00:11,613
Speaker 3: it's actually for a lot of good because there's a

1280
01:00:11,653 --> 01:00:14,013
Speaker 3: massive problem around the world with the number of organs

1281
01:00:14,013 --> 01:00:17,733
Speaker 3: for transplants. There's a lot of shortages to test drugs

1282
01:00:17,773 --> 01:00:21,093
Speaker 3: safely without risking real people, because that's the only option

1283
01:00:21,173 --> 01:00:22,813
Speaker 3: they have at the moment as human trials for a

1284
01:00:22,813 --> 01:00:25,493
Speaker 3: lot of these groundbreaking drugs, and to reduce animal testing

1285
01:00:25,493 --> 01:00:26,013
Speaker 3: and research.

1286
01:00:26,413 --> 01:00:29,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they're already doing this with eight parts

1287
01:00:29,573 --> 01:00:34,693
Speaker 2: growing bits from primates, but they haven't got the ethical

1288
01:00:34,733 --> 01:00:36,773
Speaker 2: go ahead to do it with humans. This Texas says,

1289
01:00:36,813 --> 01:00:39,373
Speaker 2: I'd vote for these bodyoids. Now, I'm just wondering that

1290
01:00:39,453 --> 01:00:42,053
Speaker 2: they say they would vote for the existence of these bodyoids,

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01:00:42,253 --> 01:00:44,853
Speaker 2: and would they vote so people can make these bodyoids?

1292
01:00:44,973 --> 01:00:47,533
Speaker 2: Or are this person saying that they actually vote for

1293
01:00:47,613 --> 01:00:51,293
Speaker 2: the bodyoids and support the bodyoids putty and have the

1294
01:00:51,373 --> 01:00:55,533
Speaker 2: country run by a bunch of organ sacks without heads.

1295
01:00:55,533 --> 01:00:59,053
Speaker 2: I'd roll that dice. Let's see what happens. Wendy, how

1296
01:00:59,053 --> 01:01:00,773
Speaker 2: are you this afternoon? Yeah?

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Speaker 20: Hi, good, thank you. Yeah. I just wanted to say

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01:01:03,933 --> 01:01:07,333
Speaker 20: I had to transfer up myself twenty three years ago,

1299
01:01:07,693 --> 01:01:09,773
Speaker 20: and a round about that time, there was discussion in

1300
01:01:09,813 --> 01:01:12,653
Speaker 20: the news around using organs from pigs.

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01:01:12,853 --> 01:01:14,173
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wow.

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01:01:14,293 --> 01:01:16,493
Speaker 20: I remember hearing that and thinking, someone said to me,

1303
01:01:16,533 --> 01:01:18,493
Speaker 20: would you take that? I said, like, actually, if it's

1304
01:01:18,533 --> 01:01:21,493
Speaker 20: been tested or whatever, I would take any liver from me,

1305
01:01:21,533 --> 01:01:23,813
Speaker 20: and it was a liver that I had transplanted. Obviously,

1306
01:01:24,573 --> 01:01:26,773
Speaker 20: I would take that from any animal if it was tested,

1307
01:01:26,813 --> 01:01:29,093
Speaker 20: as long as it worked and there was good proof

1308
01:01:29,213 --> 01:01:31,373
Speaker 20: that would work. But anyway, has it turned out? Of

1309
01:01:31,373 --> 01:01:33,693
Speaker 20: course I didn't so, but I think if they can

1310
01:01:33,733 --> 01:01:36,053
Speaker 20: do something like that, that's fantastic. I don't know if

1311
01:01:36,093 --> 01:01:37,933
Speaker 20: I like the whole idea of a human body but

1312
01:01:37,973 --> 01:01:40,813
Speaker 20: that's only for testing purposes of it or.

1313
01:01:40,893 --> 01:01:43,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, okay, Well well though the idea is

1314
01:01:44,613 --> 01:01:46,733
Speaker 2: that so it doesn't have a head, but you know,

1315
01:01:46,773 --> 01:01:48,653
Speaker 2: it doesn't have a consciousness, doesn't have a brain, so

1316
01:01:48,693 --> 01:01:51,453
Speaker 2: you're basically growing the organs. But I think a lot

1317
01:01:51,453 --> 01:01:57,053
Speaker 2: of people words maybe pause around having another humans or

1318
01:01:57,213 --> 01:01:58,533
Speaker 2: organ in them, you know. I mean that would have

1319
01:01:58,533 --> 01:02:00,173
Speaker 2: been a bit that you would have to had to

1320
01:02:00,213 --> 01:02:02,333
Speaker 2: have thought through India when you got the liver transport

1321
01:02:02,333 --> 01:02:03,813
Speaker 2: twenty three years.

1322
01:02:03,973 --> 01:02:06,093
Speaker 20: It's not only that you think through. You've put through

1323
01:02:06,133 --> 01:02:08,893
Speaker 20: a psychiatrists and everyone to know that you are, you know,

1324
01:02:09,453 --> 01:02:11,413
Speaker 20: able to cope with that, et cetera, et cetera. But

1325
01:02:11,493 --> 01:02:14,613
Speaker 20: of course I would because I had a young son

1326
01:02:15,013 --> 01:02:18,093
Speaker 20: who needed me and I hadn't done enough living really,

1327
01:02:18,133 --> 01:02:20,933
Speaker 20: of course, you know, I would have done whatever I

1328
01:02:21,013 --> 01:02:22,573
Speaker 20: could as long as I knew it was going to

1329
01:02:22,573 --> 01:02:23,453
Speaker 20: be a good outcome.

1330
01:02:23,573 --> 01:02:27,053
Speaker 2: And it's fantastic that that science has allowed that option

1331
01:02:27,173 --> 01:02:27,653
Speaker 2: to exist.

1332
01:02:27,693 --> 01:02:31,173
Speaker 20: In Wendy absolutely absolutely, and there is such a shortage.

1333
01:02:31,213 --> 01:02:34,493
Speaker 20: They really need to keep promoting organ donation, you know,

1334
01:02:34,533 --> 01:02:37,493
Speaker 20: as much as they can. But there has been I've

1335
01:02:37,493 --> 01:02:41,613
Speaker 20: heard recently quite a change from in the Marie culture.

1336
01:02:41,653 --> 01:02:44,693
Speaker 20: I believe, you know that don't normally like to be

1337
01:02:44,773 --> 01:02:49,453
Speaker 20: an augan donor. They don't approach that at all, But

1338
01:02:49,533 --> 01:02:52,413
Speaker 20: I believe that's now increasing. They're beginning to realize that

1339
01:02:53,853 --> 01:02:56,213
Speaker 20: it doesn't really matter where you liver came from. Actually,

1340
01:02:56,573 --> 01:02:57,973
Speaker 20: it doesn't change you in any way.

1341
01:02:58,213 --> 01:03:00,693
Speaker 2: How's your liver going? Wendy twenty three years on.

1342
01:03:00,853 --> 01:03:04,813
Speaker 20: Probably the best part of my boot is actually myself beest.

1343
01:03:05,533 --> 01:03:08,213
Speaker 2: And when you go through you said that there was

1344
01:03:08,413 --> 01:03:10,333
Speaker 2: of psychologists that helped you through.

1345
01:03:10,373 --> 01:03:10,973
Speaker 1: It was that right?

1346
01:03:11,613 --> 01:03:14,773
Speaker 2: And what's psychiatrists and what kind of things do they

1347
01:03:14,973 --> 01:03:19,933
Speaker 2: say to you? Do around what you think of the liver,

1348
01:03:20,013 --> 01:03:22,373
Speaker 2: because you now see that as that's part of Wendy

1349
01:03:22,413 --> 01:03:23,173
Speaker 2: write that liver.

1350
01:03:23,053 --> 01:03:25,333
Speaker 20: Now, yeah, I've had one some of the time.

1351
01:03:26,493 --> 01:03:28,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, but at the start you're like, I've got part

1352
01:03:28,573 --> 01:03:30,613
Speaker 2: of a deceased human being in me.

1353
01:03:30,693 --> 01:03:34,053
Speaker 20: I guess, first of all, it was a struggle for

1354
01:03:34,093 --> 01:03:36,253
Speaker 20: me to get to that stage any way, to be honest,

1355
01:03:36,573 --> 01:03:39,653
Speaker 20: I had one aborted transplant because before they were about

1356
01:03:39,733 --> 01:03:42,053
Speaker 20: to cut I was out cold and they had put

1357
01:03:42,093 --> 01:03:44,253
Speaker 20: flues in my body in bills and alarm and everything

1358
01:03:44,253 --> 01:03:47,293
Speaker 20: went top, so that one was aborted. So then there

1359
01:03:47,373 --> 01:03:49,813
Speaker 20: was a real need to work out how they were

1360
01:03:49,813 --> 01:03:51,093
Speaker 20: going to do this and what was going to happen

1361
01:03:51,173 --> 01:03:52,653
Speaker 20: and what was wrong and one needed to be fixed,

1362
01:03:52,653 --> 01:03:55,613
Speaker 20: et cetera. So I mean, I was desperate for anything.

1363
01:03:55,653 --> 01:04:00,053
Speaker 20: So they put you through the psychiatrist sort of session

1364
01:04:00,453 --> 01:04:03,333
Speaker 20: to see if you're mentally stable. I guess to go

1365
01:04:03,413 --> 01:04:06,333
Speaker 20: through that whole emotional process because yes, you do have

1366
01:04:06,413 --> 01:04:10,013
Speaker 20: somebody else's body part, and how do you think, you know,

1367
01:04:10,333 --> 01:04:12,813
Speaker 20: how do you cope the thought that a family has

1368
01:04:12,893 --> 01:04:16,333
Speaker 20: lost a human being, a son or daughter, wife, whatever,

1369
01:04:17,533 --> 01:04:18,933
Speaker 20: you know, how do you feel about that? And for

1370
01:04:18,973 --> 01:04:22,453
Speaker 20: the first few years I wrote letters and cards to

1371
01:04:22,573 --> 01:04:26,813
Speaker 20: my well, you send them into the actual organ donation theme.

1372
01:04:27,373 --> 01:04:29,533
Speaker 20: You don't know who it's come from, where it's come from,

1373
01:04:29,533 --> 01:04:32,813
Speaker 20: whether it being New Zealand or Australia. So and I

1374
01:04:32,893 --> 01:04:35,613
Speaker 20: kept on writing, but I never heard back. But I

1375
01:04:35,693 --> 01:04:39,333
Speaker 20: never ever forget the twenty three years that I've had

1376
01:04:39,373 --> 01:04:42,973
Speaker 20: where I've watched my assistic son grow from a young

1377
01:04:43,133 --> 01:04:46,853
Speaker 20: boy into a man to an adult, and also have

1378
01:04:46,933 --> 01:04:50,173
Speaker 20: the chance to see a lot of the world which

1379
01:04:50,213 --> 01:04:51,933
Speaker 20: I would never have been able to do.

1380
01:04:52,453 --> 01:04:56,413
Speaker 2: Yes, so that liver has allowed you to, you know,

1381
01:04:57,253 --> 01:05:00,173
Speaker 2: pass on love and caring to another human being. So

1382
01:05:00,293 --> 01:05:03,213
Speaker 2: not only helped you when doy, it's help the world.

1383
01:05:04,093 --> 01:05:08,453
Speaker 20: Yeah, and absolutely, and not only that. I'm on the

1384
01:05:08,453 --> 01:05:13,453
Speaker 20: their Facebook page for recipients and I do talk to

1385
01:05:13,533 --> 01:05:17,333
Speaker 20: many people waiting and I have supported a couple of

1386
01:05:17,333 --> 01:05:20,093
Speaker 20: people right up to the point of having their transplant

1387
01:05:20,133 --> 01:05:23,693
Speaker 20: in terms of meeting with them, talking with them. So

1388
01:05:23,893 --> 01:05:27,453
Speaker 20: it's just huge. It's a huge factor in your life.

1389
01:05:27,453 --> 01:05:29,493
Speaker 20: You know, it never goes away. I mean you don't

1390
01:05:29,533 --> 01:05:31,453
Speaker 20: even know, say sort of to get up had a transplant,

1391
01:05:31,493 --> 01:05:34,773
Speaker 20: I don't forget where it came from. And how the

1392
01:05:34,853 --> 01:05:37,453
Speaker 20: other family, you know, the other side on the other side,

1393
01:05:37,453 --> 01:05:40,093
Speaker 20: how that feeling. And every year we have a church

1394
01:05:41,573 --> 01:05:45,693
Speaker 20: think what do they call it a lost now something

1395
01:05:45,733 --> 01:05:48,813
Speaker 20: like that? Yes, Yes, and it's lovely because somebody gets

1396
01:05:48,893 --> 01:05:50,933
Speaker 20: up to speak from a family who's had a liver,

1397
01:05:51,093 --> 01:05:54,813
Speaker 20: or person who actually has had any organ actually transplanted,

1398
01:05:55,173 --> 01:05:57,453
Speaker 20: and or else somebody seeks from the donor family, and

1399
01:05:57,493 --> 01:06:00,693
Speaker 20: that's very emotional. But to hear the story of how

1400
01:06:01,173 --> 01:06:04,213
Speaker 20: they're so delighted it's gone to somebody who's actually sent

1401
01:06:04,293 --> 01:06:06,653
Speaker 20: them a letter and said what they've managed to achieve,

1402
01:06:07,293 --> 01:06:09,893
Speaker 20: you know, it's a maze. It's absally amazing. I think

1403
01:06:10,213 --> 01:06:13,373
Speaker 20: anybody who can, who's fit enough, should put their name forward,

1404
01:06:13,413 --> 01:06:17,013
Speaker 20: because really, once you've gone, you don't need that organ

1405
01:06:18,453 --> 01:06:21,093
Speaker 20: and tell your parents and family that's what you want

1406
01:06:21,173 --> 01:06:21,373
Speaker 20: to do.

1407
01:06:21,813 --> 01:06:25,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm so glad that twenty three years ago

1408
01:06:25,253 --> 01:06:27,853
Speaker 2: that was a possibility for you and that you've been

1409
01:06:27,893 --> 01:06:30,173
Speaker 2: around for your son. And you sound like a fan's

1410
01:06:30,333 --> 01:06:33,773
Speaker 2: fantastic human beings. Someone glad you're around for the world.

1411
01:06:33,853 --> 01:06:35,253
Speaker 2: So good on your Wendy. Thanks for calling.

1412
01:06:35,333 --> 01:06:36,853
Speaker 20: Thank you so much, man, thank you.

1413
01:06:36,973 --> 01:06:40,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great call. So, I mean, that's that's

1414
01:06:40,813 --> 01:06:43,253
Speaker 2: the whole thing. So a lot of people are disgusted

1415
01:06:43,253 --> 01:06:45,693
Speaker 2: by it and talking about Frankenstein with these bodyoids, but

1416
01:06:46,733 --> 01:06:49,333
Speaker 2: and lock there a while away. They don't exist yet.

1417
01:06:49,333 --> 01:06:52,093
Speaker 2: They're just trying to get they can get the funding,

1418
01:06:52,453 --> 01:06:54,293
Speaker 2: if they got billions behind them, if they can get

1419
01:06:54,333 --> 01:06:57,293
Speaker 2: the ethica. It's the cool side across the line, you know,

1420
01:06:57,333 --> 01:07:00,933
Speaker 2: get the legal side sort it. But would you turn

1421
01:07:02,013 --> 01:07:04,333
Speaker 2: the ability to save someone's life who has a child

1422
01:07:04,413 --> 01:07:06,973
Speaker 2: to look after. Yeah, that's the balance, right, I mean

1423
01:07:07,013 --> 01:07:12,093
Speaker 2: whereas that if you and your squeamishness about running body

1424
01:07:12,333 --> 01:07:13,053
Speaker 2: part farms.

1425
01:07:13,173 --> 01:07:15,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, well like this things it says, I've always growing

1426
01:07:15,613 --> 01:07:18,733
Speaker 3: bodies for organs was fantastic. My brother just have had

1427
01:07:18,773 --> 01:07:22,053
Speaker 3: to have a pig implant put into his heart, and

1428
01:07:22,133 --> 01:07:24,893
Speaker 3: what do you think that poor pig had to sacrifice itself.

1429
01:07:24,893 --> 01:07:27,413
Speaker 3: Why not have these things growing and making human organs.

1430
01:07:27,533 --> 01:07:30,493
Speaker 3: It makes all the sense in the world. Go for it.

1431
01:07:30,653 --> 01:07:34,253
Speaker 2: Bring it on. This is a question that raises quite

1432
01:07:34,253 --> 01:07:37,173
Speaker 2: a horrible idea. Hey, guys, the body ooidshod have no

1433
01:07:37,253 --> 01:07:40,533
Speaker 2: reproductive ability, cheers Michelle. I mean because that's the other

1434
01:07:40,613 --> 01:07:42,493
Speaker 2: next part of it. They go, well, we're spending all

1435
01:07:42,533 --> 01:07:47,933
Speaker 2: our time making these body aids and growing them, and

1436
01:07:47,933 --> 01:07:50,933
Speaker 2: it takes nine years to grow them. It does, so

1437
01:07:51,493 --> 01:07:53,533
Speaker 2: you can imagine the next step going, well, why don't

1438
01:07:53,573 --> 01:07:54,293
Speaker 2: we just make it so.

1439
01:07:55,373 --> 01:07:58,373
Speaker 3: Short that by nine months they can reproduce themselves. Oh

1440
01:07:58,413 --> 01:08:00,293
Speaker 3: that's too far, But what do you say?

1441
01:08:00,293 --> 01:08:00,413
Speaker 6: Oh?

1442
01:08:00,453 --> 01:08:02,533
Speaker 3: On one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1443
01:08:02,533 --> 01:08:05,973
Speaker 3: to call it? Is eighteen to three beg arutually.

1444
01:08:06,173 --> 01:08:10,333
Speaker 1: The big stories of big issues, the trends, and everything

1445
01:08:10,373 --> 01:08:14,253
Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adam's Afternoons with Skoda

1446
01:08:14,373 --> 01:08:18,253
Speaker 1: Please Scoter codes every day at scoter dot co. Used

1447
01:08:18,253 --> 01:08:19,772
Speaker 1: dogs'd be quarter to three.

1448
01:08:19,813 --> 01:08:22,213
Speaker 3: So is the idea of creating body ooids grown from

1449
01:08:22,253 --> 01:08:26,173
Speaker 3: stem cells deliberately engineered without brains so they couldn't feel

1450
01:08:26,213 --> 01:08:29,413
Speaker 3: pain or be conscious in order to increase organ transplants

1451
01:08:29,452 --> 01:08:31,333
Speaker 3: a good idea or too far ethically?

1452
01:08:31,612 --> 01:08:34,652
Speaker 2: Elliott says, well, these models are for laboratory laboratory use.

1453
01:08:34,732 --> 01:08:38,052
Speaker 2: The aim is to replicate natural organ to organ blood

1454
01:08:38,053 --> 01:08:42,772
Speaker 2: based interaction rather than using external mechanical machines to pump

1455
01:08:42,772 --> 01:08:46,692
Speaker 2: blood through these specific bodyoids. He's quoting the article and

1456
01:08:46,732 --> 01:08:50,972
Speaker 2: the traditional sense of body body hybrid robotic limbs. Take

1457
01:08:51,013 --> 01:08:52,412
Speaker 2: this with a grain of salt, as it's based on

1458
01:08:52,452 --> 01:08:55,572
Speaker 2: another company called R three Labs rather than the Immortal

1459
01:08:55,612 --> 01:09:00,612
Speaker 2: Dragon company. Yeah, so, I mean that's that's it's trying

1460
01:09:00,652 --> 01:09:04,013
Speaker 2: to get the idea of these bodyoids is trying to

1461
01:09:04,013 --> 01:09:06,772
Speaker 2: get biology to do the heavy lifting of the situation,

1462
01:09:07,652 --> 01:09:11,333
Speaker 2: you know, so it pumps its own It's kind of

1463
01:09:11,372 --> 01:09:16,293
Speaker 2: like hydroponics. You're trying to grow using nature to grow

1464
01:09:16,333 --> 01:09:19,492
Speaker 2: what you need, as opposed to having to pump a

1465
01:09:19,532 --> 01:09:22,053
Speaker 2: lot of energy into it yourself into the system. If

1466
01:09:22,053 --> 01:09:25,052
Speaker 2: you if you know what I'm saying, Yeah, Steve, welcome

1467
01:09:25,053 --> 01:09:28,372
Speaker 2: to the show. Good thanks your thoughts on these body.

1468
01:09:29,772 --> 01:09:32,932
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me. I think, shut up and take

1469
01:09:32,973 --> 01:09:34,733
Speaker 8: my money.

1470
01:09:35,652 --> 01:09:36,333
Speaker 2: All about it.

1471
01:09:36,732 --> 01:09:40,412
Speaker 8: I'd like to subscribe. How much do I need to pay?

1472
01:09:41,933 --> 01:09:47,692
Speaker 8: I suggest it's cost effective ensurance. I think everyone should

1473
01:09:47,692 --> 01:09:50,173
Speaker 8: have their own meat sack. And if you and if

1474
01:09:50,213 --> 01:09:53,772
Speaker 8: you've got the whole thing, they're here, the body, everything

1475
01:09:53,853 --> 01:09:56,973
Speaker 8: just sitting there. Endorment you ready to be able to

1476
01:09:57,013 --> 01:10:02,053
Speaker 8: be you're you're just a transfer, yeah, I think, And

1477
01:10:02,333 --> 01:10:05,093
Speaker 8: and what a great way to see the end of

1478
01:10:05,093 --> 01:10:08,173
Speaker 8: the world. You would effectively be immortal.

1479
01:10:08,492 --> 01:10:10,333
Speaker 2: Just replaced. Well well except for the brain.

1480
01:10:11,532 --> 01:10:13,052
Speaker 8: Well no, do the whole lot.

1481
01:10:13,372 --> 01:10:16,293
Speaker 2: But then how do you download the consciousness between the brain?

1482
01:10:16,333 --> 01:10:18,093
Speaker 2: So if they grow another brain, would it be still

1483
01:10:18,133 --> 01:10:18,572
Speaker 2: the steem?

1484
01:10:18,612 --> 01:10:22,852
Speaker 8: I mean no, Well, that's where it's that's where some is,

1485
01:10:23,013 --> 01:10:26,732
Speaker 8: that's some weather computer science, which is way beyond, which

1486
01:10:26,772 --> 01:10:29,612
Speaker 8: is way behind my pay. But even but even the

1487
01:10:29,692 --> 01:10:36,692
Speaker 8: meat sack shouldn't should shouldn't everyone have the option to live? Yeah, well,

1488
01:10:37,013 --> 01:10:40,533
Speaker 8: and if and if you've got enough money, sometimes there's diseases.

1489
01:10:41,013 --> 01:10:42,532
Speaker 8: But don't matter how much money you have.

1490
01:10:42,732 --> 01:10:43,652
Speaker 12: You diet, you're did.

1491
01:10:44,213 --> 01:10:46,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny when you took the money. When you're

1492
01:10:46,372 --> 01:10:48,333
Speaker 2: talking of the money, when you're talking right now, just

1493
01:10:48,372 --> 01:10:49,892
Speaker 2: on a screen in the corner the road, have got

1494
01:10:50,013 --> 01:10:52,692
Speaker 2: Millennia Trump walking down a red carpet with a robot

1495
01:10:52,692 --> 01:10:54,492
Speaker 2: beside her, which is interesting because it's hard to tell

1496
01:10:54,492 --> 01:10:58,732
Speaker 2: who's the robot. But Steve, do you remember that movie?

1497
01:10:58,732 --> 01:11:00,572
Speaker 2: Do you remember that movie of the Island with Ewan

1498
01:11:00,612 --> 01:11:04,133
Speaker 2: McGregor and Scarlet Jaes. So that's when they were growing

1499
01:11:04,173 --> 01:11:07,213
Speaker 2: that then people actually had their own clone of themselves.

1500
01:11:07,293 --> 01:11:10,892
Speaker 2: But that was a living, breathing human being that was

1501
01:11:11,013 --> 01:11:14,133
Speaker 2: just being you know, feed the right nutrition to keep

1502
01:11:14,133 --> 01:11:17,013
Speaker 2: their organs in good neck for out of person. But

1503
01:11:17,093 --> 01:11:20,652
Speaker 2: what you're saying really is you just in a lab

1504
01:11:20,732 --> 01:11:24,732
Speaker 2: somewhere as you're living your life. There's this body, aoid

1505
01:11:24,772 --> 01:11:27,213
Speaker 2: that has all your replacement parts that's just sitting in

1506
01:11:27,253 --> 01:11:30,372
Speaker 2: the lab. It's doing it's business. It's pumping. It's not

1507
01:11:30,812 --> 01:11:33,852
Speaker 2: drinking or smoking or doing anything bad to mess up

1508
01:11:33,893 --> 01:11:36,812
Speaker 2: its organs, and if Steve should happen to need it,

1509
01:11:36,933 --> 01:11:40,812
Speaker 2: then he just rings up Body or or Immortal Dragon

1510
01:11:41,053 --> 01:11:43,892
Speaker 2: or whatever this company is called, and they go, yep, okay,

1511
01:11:43,893 --> 01:11:45,972
Speaker 2: well we'll just get that. We'll just get that, we'll

1512
01:11:45,973 --> 01:11:49,412
Speaker 2: get those lungs sent over to you immediately, mister Steve.

1513
01:11:49,893 --> 01:11:53,932
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds far fetched, but that's what they are. Yeah,

1514
01:11:54,013 --> 01:11:55,852
Speaker 2: that's where they go. And it's well possible.

1515
01:11:55,933 --> 01:12:02,372
Speaker 19: I've been saying for around about twenty years. I've always

1516
01:12:02,372 --> 01:12:07,612
Speaker 19: been very optimist that you know, eternal life might actually,

1517
01:12:07,652 --> 01:12:10,093
Speaker 19: you know, living for ever might actually be a thing.

1518
01:12:10,692 --> 01:12:14,093
Speaker 19: And you know, you've got ninety nine point nine people

1519
01:12:14,173 --> 01:12:16,213
Speaker 19: that just laugh at you. But if you think, how,

1520
01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:23,293
Speaker 19: how how how how very quickly medical science is evolving, Yeah,

1521
01:12:23,492 --> 01:12:27,493
Speaker 19: it's it's a very there is a balance and probability

1522
01:12:27,572 --> 01:12:31,572
Speaker 19: that some people only that's only the uber rich, they

1523
01:12:31,652 --> 01:12:32,293
Speaker 19: might live forever.

1524
01:12:32,973 --> 01:12:35,733
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then and you know, in your in Steve's

1525
01:12:36,133 --> 01:12:39,852
Speaker 2: body orid organ sack, meat sack, you you could also

1526
01:12:39,973 --> 01:12:43,652
Speaker 2: just have blood pumping around in there that is full

1527
01:12:43,652 --> 01:12:46,333
Speaker 2: of stem cells or whatever you need. And then you're

1528
01:12:46,372 --> 01:12:49,573
Speaker 2: just going to get your blood trans plunge, blood transparts.

1529
01:12:49,572 --> 01:12:55,092
Speaker 2: And it's it's making your organs find full, full volume

1530
01:12:55,612 --> 01:12:57,213
Speaker 2: in your body just as you're walking around.

1531
01:12:58,053 --> 01:13:02,612
Speaker 8: There was an episode on the Simpsons when Monty Burns

1532
01:13:02,893 --> 01:13:05,293
Speaker 8: had some of Art's blood.

1533
01:13:05,612 --> 01:13:08,333
Speaker 2: Oh yes, right, and he became.

1534
01:13:08,173 --> 01:13:10,692
Speaker 8: Very youthful, and of course he was like, he was like,

1535
01:13:11,133 --> 01:13:13,973
Speaker 8: how did I know? You know, the signists didn't even know.

1536
01:13:14,093 --> 01:13:16,572
Speaker 8: All I needed was the blood of a young boy,

1537
01:13:18,532 --> 01:13:18,772
Speaker 8: you know.

1538
01:13:19,133 --> 01:13:22,132
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well there's people doing that, Steve, not Monty Bird's,

1539
01:13:22,173 --> 01:13:24,732
Speaker 2: but that guy who is trying to live as long

1540
01:13:24,772 --> 01:13:26,973
Speaker 2: as he can, Brian Johnson is his name. But he

1541
01:13:27,053 --> 01:13:30,412
Speaker 2: had the blood of his c DC. No, not that one.

1542
01:13:30,532 --> 01:13:32,532
Speaker 3: I mean, everyone wants to see that guy live forever.

1543
01:13:32,612 --> 01:13:34,772
Speaker 3: But he had the blood of his son injected into

1544
01:13:34,853 --> 01:13:37,532
Speaker 3: him as part of this experiment he's doing, and he's

1545
01:13:37,572 --> 01:13:39,452
Speaker 3: going pretty well. He reckons he's LOLd his age. I

1546
01:13:39,492 --> 01:13:41,893
Speaker 3: think he's fifty five. He reckons he's got the body

1547
01:13:41,933 --> 01:13:44,453
Speaker 3: of a twenty one year old. But that is creepy,

1548
01:13:44,452 --> 01:13:45,293
Speaker 3: that's real creepy.

1549
01:13:45,612 --> 01:13:48,213
Speaker 2: Also creepy is what this Texas. Just imagine a group

1550
01:13:48,253 --> 01:13:51,013
Speaker 2: of those bodies escaping and walking down the highway like

1551
01:13:51,053 --> 01:13:53,213
Speaker 2: those escape dogs in China.

1552
01:13:53,933 --> 01:13:57,093
Speaker 3: Great tigs right one D ten eighty is the number

1553
01:13:57,133 --> 01:13:59,572
Speaker 3: to call. So this idea of these body aoids to

1554
01:13:59,612 --> 01:14:01,812
Speaker 3: replace organs if you need it? Is that sound like

1555
01:14:01,853 --> 01:14:04,732
Speaker 3: a good plan for humanity? Or a step too far?

1556
01:14:04,973 --> 01:14:07,293
Speaker 2: Tammy asks an interesting question, Hey, guys, what happens to

1557
01:14:07,333 --> 01:14:10,133
Speaker 2: the leftover bit to the Do they get buried or cremated?

1558
01:14:10,772 --> 01:14:14,013
Speaker 2: That's a very good question, Tammy, And that really goes

1559
01:14:14,053 --> 01:14:16,812
Speaker 2: to the heart of it. What is a human and

1560
01:14:16,853 --> 01:14:20,012
Speaker 2: what isn't a human? So the parts are ground, without

1561
01:14:20,013 --> 01:14:23,532
Speaker 2: a head, without a consciousness, are they not human? And

1562
01:14:23,572 --> 01:14:26,013
Speaker 2: then what about people that are born with basically no

1563
01:14:26,133 --> 01:14:29,532
Speaker 2: brain function? Which does happen? Yep? Are they still human?

1564
01:14:29,732 --> 01:14:29,932
Speaker 25: Swear?

1565
01:14:29,973 --> 01:14:31,692
Speaker 2: It gets tricky? Yeah, but what do you say? At

1566
01:14:31,732 --> 01:14:33,732
Speaker 2: nine two? Niney two is the text number? It is

1567
01:14:33,853 --> 01:14:34,293
Speaker 2: nine to.

1568
01:14:34,372 --> 01:14:37,852
Speaker 1: Three The issues that affect you and a bit of

1569
01:14:37,893 --> 01:14:41,173
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

1570
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Speaker 1: News talks.

1571
01:14:42,173 --> 01:14:45,412
Speaker 2: 'b news Talks there be at seven to three.

1572
01:14:45,812 --> 01:14:48,492
Speaker 1: Are you ready to crack the Skoda code?

1573
01:14:48,973 --> 01:14:49,572
Speaker 2: Yes, here we go.

1574
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Speaker 3: The team at Scota want to send you and a

1575
01:14:51,532 --> 01:14:53,612
Speaker 3: friend to experience the Tour de France when you play

1576
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Speaker 3: Scotera codes. But if you could do with some help

1577
01:14:56,412 --> 01:14:58,812
Speaker 3: cracking today's Scoter code. You'll be wanting a clue and

1578
01:14:58,853 --> 01:14:59,852
Speaker 3: we are here to help.

1579
01:15:00,652 --> 01:15:02,932
Speaker 2: And here is that clue. This is the direction your

1580
01:15:02,933 --> 01:15:05,772
Speaker 2: team dreads when they know the crowd won't be on

1581
01:15:06,253 --> 01:15:08,812
Speaker 2: their side. Okay, here we go. This is the direction

1582
01:15:08,933 --> 01:15:11,452
Speaker 2: your team dreads when they know the crowd won't be

1583
01:15:11,572 --> 01:15:13,573
Speaker 2: on their side. Interesting.

1584
01:15:13,772 --> 01:15:16,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, that will all make sense when you go and

1585
01:15:16,532 --> 01:15:19,093
Speaker 3: visit Scoda dot co dot en zed to be and

1586
01:15:19,213 --> 01:15:22,133
Speaker 3: to win that amazing trip for two to the Tour

1587
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Speaker 3: de France. We're confident you'll crack the Scoter code. Just

1588
01:15:24,812 --> 01:15:27,852
Speaker 3: go to scoter dot co dot nz. It all thanks

1589
01:15:27,853 --> 01:15:31,732
Speaker 3: to our mates at Skoda right, plenty of teach coming through.

1590
01:15:31,893 --> 01:15:34,932
Speaker 2: Hey, Matt and Tyler red headless body replication. Why waste

1591
01:15:34,933 --> 01:15:37,972
Speaker 2: so much money and resources on such folly because they

1592
01:15:38,013 --> 01:15:40,692
Speaker 2: would make so much money. I mean, the reason why

1593
01:15:41,492 --> 01:15:45,372
Speaker 2: this Immortal Dragon company in Singapore is able to raise

1594
01:15:45,412 --> 01:15:49,572
Speaker 2: billions of dollars is because you could make so much money,

1595
01:15:49,973 --> 01:15:52,692
Speaker 2: even in the first stage when they're just using it

1596
01:15:53,093 --> 01:15:56,253
Speaker 2: around vivisection, so they can try pharmaceutical drugs on animals

1597
01:15:56,293 --> 01:15:58,732
Speaker 2: that are closer to humans, let alone when you're growing

1598
01:15:58,732 --> 01:16:01,972
Speaker 2: body parts now that is, that is money.

1599
01:16:02,013 --> 01:16:04,412
Speaker 3: That would be one of the greatest scientific advancements of

1600
01:16:04,452 --> 01:16:07,133
Speaker 3: all time if you can bear the ethics of it.

1601
01:16:08,572 --> 01:16:09,932
Speaker 3: More text coming through.

1602
01:16:11,173 --> 01:16:13,772
Speaker 2: I would love my own spear of parts meat bag, please.

1603
01:16:14,053 --> 01:16:15,772
Speaker 2: Then I can drink wine and not worry about my

1604
01:16:15,812 --> 01:16:18,772
Speaker 2: liver and then get around to it when I need it.

1605
01:16:18,772 --> 01:16:20,772
Speaker 2: Would also be good if they could grow me a

1606
01:16:20,853 --> 01:16:24,812
Speaker 2: larger downstairs as well, says Chris. Okay, I mean that's

1607
01:16:24,812 --> 01:16:26,452
Speaker 2: where it's going to go. We all know that. You

1608
01:16:26,452 --> 01:16:30,372
Speaker 2: know it starts off with transplants and goes every human

1609
01:16:30,372 --> 01:16:33,572
Speaker 2: invention immediately goes that way. We take we make everything

1610
01:16:33,612 --> 01:16:38,052
Speaker 2: sexual everything. Yeah, look at the internet, look at robots.

1611
01:16:39,652 --> 01:16:41,612
Speaker 3: A couple more before we've got a new topic on

1612
01:16:41,652 --> 01:16:42,932
Speaker 3: the table after three o'clock.

1613
01:16:43,893 --> 01:16:46,253
Speaker 2: Sounds like it will be for the wealthy and we'll

1614
01:16:46,333 --> 01:16:48,892
Speaker 2: use up energy resources. Not cool having rich people taking

1615
01:16:48,933 --> 01:16:51,812
Speaker 2: resources from poor living people. Well, that's a very weird

1616
01:16:51,812 --> 01:16:53,333
Speaker 2: way to look at it. Sounds like it would be

1617
01:16:53,372 --> 01:16:56,612
Speaker 2: for the wealthy. Well as organ transplant now for the wealthy. Yeah,

1618
01:16:56,853 --> 01:17:02,492
Speaker 2: no organ transplant. You know that the public health system

1619
01:17:02,572 --> 01:17:05,652
Speaker 2: runs that, So why wouldn't the health system in New

1620
01:17:05,732 --> 01:17:10,372
Speaker 2: Zealand be running these organ farms. Yeah, how would be

1621
01:17:10,492 --> 01:17:12,812
Speaker 2: right on top of that to our all kinds of people. Yeah,

1622
01:17:12,853 --> 01:17:15,293
Speaker 2: this is the way everyone looks now, it's us and them.

1623
01:17:15,492 --> 01:17:17,572
Speaker 2: It sounds like it'll be for the wealthy. And then

1624
01:17:17,973 --> 01:17:19,692
Speaker 2: there's this weird thing that's happening where we just go

1625
01:17:19,732 --> 01:17:22,053
Speaker 2: if this one thing then we have to hate a

1626
01:17:22,093 --> 01:17:25,612
Speaker 2: group of people immediately for it existing. There is a

1627
01:17:25,612 --> 01:17:28,012
Speaker 2: lot of that. Absolutely, it's a funny way of thinking.

1628
01:17:28,173 --> 01:17:30,132
Speaker 2: But I think, no doubt about it. They will make money.

1629
01:17:29,973 --> 01:17:31,732
Speaker 3: If they crack this and get it across the line.

1630
01:17:31,772 --> 01:17:36,732
Speaker 3: But the ramifications, the genuine good ramifications from that would

1631
01:17:36,812 --> 01:17:39,412
Speaker 3: be game changing for humanity as long as it doesn't

1632
01:17:39,412 --> 01:17:40,972
Speaker 3: have a brain. I think once it has a brain,

1633
01:17:41,093 --> 01:17:43,213
Speaker 3: it's a little bit too far from me at the stage.

1634
01:17:43,412 --> 01:17:45,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see where it goes. Okay, we'll keep you

1635
01:17:45,893 --> 01:17:52,212
Speaker 2: posted on developments. Yeah, on these headless human organ meatsacks.

1636
01:17:52,253 --> 01:17:55,612
Speaker 2: What a great hour that was. Coming up after three o'clock,

1637
01:17:55,652 --> 01:17:58,412
Speaker 2: we want to talk about board games. Marjong is on

1638
01:17:58,452 --> 01:18:01,012
Speaker 2: the rise again. So are you getting back into board

1639
01:18:01,053 --> 01:18:03,013
Speaker 2: games with your friends or family? Oh, eight undred and

1640
01:18:03,053 --> 01:18:04,333
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is that number?

1641
01:18:05,772 --> 01:18:10,412
Speaker 1: Big stories, the leag issues, the big trends and everything

1642
01:18:10,452 --> 01:18:14,293
Speaker 1: in between. Kids Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoon Squire

1643
01:18:14,452 --> 01:18:18,613
Speaker 1: Shodder News Talk said the.

1644
01:18:17,412 --> 01:18:19,732
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you, welcome back into the show. It is

1645
01:18:19,772 --> 01:18:22,692
Speaker 3: seven past three. Really great to have your company. So

1646
01:18:22,772 --> 01:18:25,132
Speaker 3: let's have a chat about board games. Young people around

1647
01:18:25,133 --> 01:18:28,932
Speaker 3: the world are rediscovering ama jong, the traditional Chinese title game,

1648
01:18:28,973 --> 01:18:32,612
Speaker 3: and turning it into a trendy social activity. It was

1649
01:18:32,652 --> 01:18:35,532
Speaker 3: once associated mainly with older generations. It's now been played

1650
01:18:35,532 --> 01:18:39,532
Speaker 3: in stylish venues, clubs, cafes, often mixed with food, drinks

1651
01:18:39,572 --> 01:18:42,852
Speaker 3: and socializing. The appeal, young players say comes from a

1652
01:18:42,893 --> 01:18:47,772
Speaker 3: mix of factors. It's tactiles, screen free nature, its strategic gameplay,

1653
01:18:47,772 --> 01:18:49,652
Speaker 3: and its ability to bring people together in a more

1654
01:18:49,692 --> 01:18:52,972
Speaker 3: meaningful way than digital entertainment. But we want to take

1655
01:18:52,973 --> 01:18:55,053
Speaker 3: it a bit broader than that board games. Is there

1656
01:18:55,093 --> 01:18:58,812
Speaker 3: a resurgence in going back to traditional board games.

1657
01:18:59,492 --> 01:19:03,333
Speaker 2: I think the ultimate antidote to the digitally obsessed, doom scrolling,

1658
01:19:03,532 --> 01:19:06,652
Speaker 2: mind raising, anti social world we live in. As board games.

1659
01:19:06,853 --> 01:19:08,692
Speaker 2: I think that is the ultimate end. You know, it's

1660
01:19:08,692 --> 01:19:12,452
Speaker 2: sitting around with family or friends playing a board game

1661
01:19:13,053 --> 01:19:17,692
Speaker 2: or cards something like that. Marjen is a great example,

1662
01:19:18,213 --> 01:19:23,612
Speaker 2: is so deep and healthy and fun. And it's hard

1663
01:19:23,652 --> 01:19:27,852
Speaker 2: to get people over the line to start because people

1664
01:19:27,853 --> 01:19:31,412
Speaker 2: going on board games are lame. Yep, lame. That's only

1665
01:19:31,452 --> 01:19:33,013
Speaker 2: for when you're at the batch and it's raining when

1666
01:19:33,013 --> 01:19:36,732
Speaker 2: you're a kid in the eighties. Yes, well crib as

1667
01:19:36,812 --> 01:19:41,012
Speaker 2: that was and down where I come from. Yes, not

1668
01:19:41,013 --> 01:19:44,572
Speaker 2: not for you know, an evening. And so getting you know, kids,

1669
01:19:44,973 --> 01:19:47,253
Speaker 2: teenage kids, you know, a thirteen year old or something

1670
01:19:47,293 --> 01:19:49,173
Speaker 2: around the table to play board games not easy, no,

1671
01:19:49,412 --> 01:19:51,852
Speaker 2: but I guarantee they have a great time when they do.

1672
01:19:52,173 --> 01:19:56,293
Speaker 2: Plus there's there's incredible lessons and board games there's intelligence,

1673
01:19:56,853 --> 01:20:00,492
Speaker 2: you know, there's there's the competitiveness comes in, but you

1674
01:20:00,572 --> 01:20:04,532
Speaker 2: have to solve problems, you know. So I just think

1675
01:20:04,572 --> 01:20:09,253
Speaker 2: it's such a fantastic thing. But uh and and anecdotally,

1676
01:20:09,853 --> 01:20:12,412
Speaker 2: I mean there's no stats on it in New Zealand,

1677
01:20:12,412 --> 01:20:17,132
Speaker 2: but antidotally people are playing board games more. You always

1678
01:20:17,133 --> 01:20:20,293
Speaker 2: see these board game sort of bars open up, don't

1679
01:20:20,333 --> 01:20:23,253
Speaker 2: you you do a board game cafes and then later

1680
01:20:23,293 --> 01:20:27,213
Speaker 2: on you see them go out of business. But unfortunately, Yeah,

1681
01:20:27,213 --> 01:20:28,893
Speaker 2: they're one on Wellington start off with a hess and

1682
01:20:28,933 --> 01:20:30,572
Speaker 2: a roar, and there's one on Simon street. That was

1683
01:20:30,612 --> 01:20:35,333
Speaker 2: awesome in Aokland, but there is such a I mean,

1684
01:20:35,372 --> 01:20:37,093
Speaker 2: are you doing it? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1685
01:20:37,133 --> 01:20:38,852
Speaker 2: Would you meet your friends to play a board game?

1686
01:20:38,893 --> 01:20:42,053
Speaker 2: Are you sitting around the family table? Are you Is

1687
01:20:42,093 --> 01:20:46,292
Speaker 2: it something that you're leaning into? Yeah, and I mean scrabble.

1688
01:20:46,772 --> 01:20:48,253
Speaker 2: Scrabble is a pretty good one if you can get

1689
01:20:48,253 --> 01:20:50,652
Speaker 2: your kids playing that one. I mean Monopoly is an

1690
01:20:50,692 --> 01:20:54,173
Speaker 2: absolute life sucker. Yes, Monopoly goes on too long and

1691
01:20:54,293 --> 01:20:56,213
Speaker 2: the problem is we all know people aren't playing the

1692
01:20:56,293 --> 01:20:58,973
Speaker 2: right game rules. Yeah, okay, what are the rules? Well,

1693
01:20:59,013 --> 01:21:01,692
Speaker 2: the rules that people if you land on you know

1694
01:21:01,732 --> 01:21:03,133
Speaker 2: how people just play out that you have to go

1695
01:21:03,213 --> 01:21:04,892
Speaker 2: all the way around and you try and buy as

1696
01:21:04,933 --> 01:21:07,253
Speaker 2: much property as you can. Yes, if someone doesn't want

1697
01:21:07,253 --> 01:21:09,652
Speaker 2: to buy the thing land on, that immediately goes to

1698
01:21:09,652 --> 01:21:12,013
Speaker 2: an auction with the other people, thank you, And you

1699
01:21:12,133 --> 01:21:14,852
Speaker 2: don't collect five hundred you know, you don't put the

1700
01:21:14,893 --> 01:21:18,372
Speaker 2: money into the middle and collect it when you land

1701
01:21:18,412 --> 01:21:20,732
Speaker 2: on go because that just puts too much money in

1702
01:21:20,772 --> 01:21:22,253
Speaker 2: the system. And the idea of Monopoli is to try

1703
01:21:22,293 --> 01:21:25,012
Speaker 2: and bankrupt people, so you don't have any additional ways

1704
01:21:25,053 --> 01:21:25,892
Speaker 2: for people to get money.

1705
01:21:25,973 --> 01:21:28,213
Speaker 3: Yep, right, thank you for mentioning the auction one, because

1706
01:21:28,253 --> 01:21:30,892
Speaker 3: that's why it elongates the game, because everyone's forgot about

1707
01:21:30,933 --> 01:21:33,052
Speaker 3: the auction rules. Every time you land on a property,

1708
01:21:33,053 --> 01:21:35,892
Speaker 3: open it up for auction. But I think you know

1709
01:21:35,933 --> 01:21:38,372
Speaker 3: when the thing with monopoly is if you're losing, you

1710
01:21:38,492 --> 01:21:40,173
Speaker 3: just have to sit there and take it until right

1711
01:21:40,213 --> 01:21:40,932
Speaker 3: at the end of the game.

1712
01:21:40,973 --> 01:21:43,532
Speaker 2: So you're out. You know you're out. But there's someone

1713
01:21:43,532 --> 01:21:44,492
Speaker 2: who's a bit smug.

1714
01:21:44,492 --> 01:21:46,412
Speaker 3: They got all the properties and they're just waiting for

1715
01:21:46,492 --> 01:21:48,333
Speaker 3: you to land on one with a hotel just to

1716
01:21:48,333 --> 01:21:49,293
Speaker 3: completely wipe you out.

1717
01:21:49,333 --> 01:21:50,892
Speaker 2: Will you slowly get bled dry?

1718
01:21:51,213 --> 01:21:51,492
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1719
01:21:51,812 --> 01:21:54,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh e one hundred eighty ten eighty. So are

1720
01:21:54,452 --> 01:21:56,372
Speaker 3: you playing ball games in your house? Is there a

1721
01:21:56,452 --> 01:21:59,213
Speaker 3: bit of a resurgence? And what are you actually playing?

1722
01:21:59,572 --> 01:22:01,572
Speaker 3: There's a text there. Does cards against Humanity?

1723
01:22:01,652 --> 01:22:02,053
Speaker 1: Can't? Yeah?

1724
01:22:02,053 --> 01:22:05,532
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, it definitely does dirty naughty games. Yeah, whatever

1725
01:22:05,532 --> 01:22:07,772
Speaker 2: you want to play. You can also you can buy

1726
01:22:07,812 --> 01:22:09,652
Speaker 2: and sell any time. You know that as well, not

1727
01:22:09,772 --> 01:22:12,253
Speaker 2: just on your turn. You can trade by properties, negotiate

1728
01:22:12,572 --> 01:22:15,372
Speaker 2: at any time, even when it's not your turn. Monopoly, Yeah,

1729
01:22:15,372 --> 01:22:16,972
Speaker 2: you can be doing that the whole time. The game's

1730
01:22:17,053 --> 01:22:20,532
Speaker 2: becomes it's it's there's deals. Deals can go on when

1731
01:22:21,253 --> 01:22:24,492
Speaker 2: outside of the dice. Yep, so you can someone's rolling

1732
01:22:24,532 --> 01:22:26,692
Speaker 2: the dice, they're moving around the guy that doesn't have

1733
01:22:26,732 --> 01:22:29,293
Speaker 2: a monocle, or the mindula effect. It makes people think

1734
01:22:29,293 --> 01:22:32,532
Speaker 2: he's got a monocle. He doesn't. You can move around

1735
01:22:32,572 --> 01:22:35,652
Speaker 2: the board, but you can then across the board. You

1736
01:22:35,692 --> 01:22:38,012
Speaker 2: can have been negotiating to buy a property of someone else. Yes,

1737
01:22:38,053 --> 01:22:40,692
Speaker 2: it can happen all the time. That's another rule. People forget.

1738
01:22:40,772 --> 01:22:43,173
Speaker 3: I had no idea he didn't have a monocle. Well done,

1739
01:22:43,213 --> 01:22:45,372
Speaker 3: I've just looked it up. That is the men teller

1740
01:22:45,412 --> 01:22:47,532
Speaker 3: effect o. Instead he had a monocle. But we're not

1741
01:22:47,572 --> 01:22:49,772
Speaker 3: just talking about monopoly board games. Are you playing them

1742
01:22:49,772 --> 01:22:52,452
Speaker 3: in your household? If you run a board game cafe,

1743
01:22:52,492 --> 01:22:54,372
Speaker 3: how is it going? And is there a resurgence?

1744
01:22:55,652 --> 01:22:58,013
Speaker 2: Cameeron, says Matt. There's nothing more fun than having a

1745
01:22:58,093 --> 01:23:01,213
Speaker 2: scrabble board being thrown at your head by your wife. Yeah,

1746
01:23:01,253 --> 01:23:03,612
Speaker 2: that is good times. Keep those teas coming through A

1747
01:23:03,652 --> 01:23:06,932
Speaker 2: nine two nine two. It is eleven pass three news talks,

1748
01:23:06,973 --> 01:23:07,892
Speaker 2: it'd be it.

1749
01:23:07,853 --> 01:23:10,213
Speaker 3: Is fourteen past three. We're talking about ball games. Has

1750
01:23:10,253 --> 01:23:12,892
Speaker 3: there been a resurgence and people playing ball games. If

1751
01:23:12,893 --> 01:23:14,452
Speaker 3: you do it in your household, what are you playing? Oh,

1752
01:23:14,452 --> 01:23:16,692
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

1753
01:23:16,772 --> 01:23:18,532
Speaker 3: Plenty of texts coming from nine two nine two.

1754
01:23:18,612 --> 01:23:21,372
Speaker 2: As I said before, I think it's the ultimate antidote

1755
01:23:21,412 --> 01:23:24,532
Speaker 2: to the digital ebstest doom scrolling, mind raising world. We

1756
01:23:24,572 --> 01:23:28,293
Speaker 2: live in Peter. You're on the board games.

1757
01:23:28,853 --> 01:23:33,173
Speaker 12: Yeah, I go around buddy mine place and we kind

1758
01:23:33,213 --> 01:23:35,812
Speaker 12: of pull them out with even done the Dirty Pie

1759
01:23:35,812 --> 01:23:42,213
Speaker 12: face board game a favorite one as Caveman one where

1760
01:23:42,253 --> 01:23:46,013
Speaker 12: you're not to use valves and if you get if

1761
01:23:46,053 --> 01:23:48,012
Speaker 12: you use a vowel, you get smacked in the head

1762
01:23:48,013 --> 01:23:51,052
Speaker 12: with a blow up and playbar Hammer. We're taking the hammer,

1763
01:23:51,452 --> 01:23:53,732
Speaker 12: we're taking the hammer out, and we use a shop

1764
01:23:53,772 --> 01:23:58,772
Speaker 12: color and it just kind of increases the game a

1765
01:23:58,772 --> 01:24:05,933
Speaker 12: little bit. You know, Pictionary, Jinger four Kings as a favorite,

1766
01:24:05,973 --> 01:24:09,492
Speaker 12: but anything that's just basically that you can chuck down

1767
01:24:09,532 --> 01:24:12,052
Speaker 12: and just have a go. It's a lot of fun.

1768
01:24:12,572 --> 01:24:14,532
Speaker 2: And so you're saying you're playing there with friends, you

1769
01:24:14,572 --> 01:24:16,213
Speaker 2: also play it with kids.

1770
01:24:16,772 --> 01:24:20,053
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, So I'll go to friend's house and he's

1771
01:24:20,093 --> 01:24:22,692
Speaker 12: got the kids. I've got my daughter and yeah, they're

1772
01:24:22,772 --> 01:24:26,772
Speaker 12: from ten ten through to sixteen and and they they'll

1773
01:24:26,772 --> 01:24:29,652
Speaker 12: put the shop color on and take a bow for

1774
01:24:29,772 --> 01:24:32,972
Speaker 12: the team and it's fun. Like we turn it down,

1775
01:24:33,372 --> 01:24:35,333
Speaker 12: like we'll have it myself and my buddy will have

1776
01:24:35,412 --> 01:24:40,093
Speaker 12: it on the highest strength. And but it's it's great.

1777
01:24:40,173 --> 01:24:43,293
Speaker 12: You know, someone's there with the little remote and bracing

1778
01:24:43,372 --> 01:24:46,093
Speaker 12: it and use it for kids because they love it

1779
01:24:46,133 --> 01:24:50,492
Speaker 12: when they can shock the deads. But any any sort

1780
01:24:50,492 --> 01:24:52,173
Speaker 12: of board game and everyone's into it.

1781
01:24:52,173 --> 01:24:55,892
Speaker 2: It's convincing the kids to you don't have any trouble

1782
01:24:55,933 --> 01:24:58,012
Speaker 2: convincing the kids to get off their phones and join

1783
01:24:58,093 --> 01:24:58,772
Speaker 2: the fun.

1784
01:24:59,973 --> 01:25:01,412
Speaker 4: No the well.

1785
01:25:01,452 --> 01:25:02,852
Speaker 12: I will say my daughter, I hate you want to

1786
01:25:02,853 --> 01:25:05,572
Speaker 12: go board game night? And she's like, yeah, what are

1787
01:25:05,572 --> 01:25:08,253
Speaker 12: we playing? And it could be anything like pig Jinger

1788
01:25:08,452 --> 01:25:12,733
Speaker 12: for two hours or you know five Crowns or whatever

1789
01:25:12,853 --> 01:25:16,732
Speaker 12: it is. We just we just do and you know,

1790
01:25:17,173 --> 01:25:19,932
Speaker 12: Pie faces a little bit difficult to play for hours

1791
01:25:19,973 --> 01:25:24,333
Speaker 12: on him, but it still has the element of you

1792
01:25:24,412 --> 01:25:26,333
Speaker 12: know what you are to excite him and you don't

1793
01:25:26,372 --> 01:25:29,372
Speaker 12: know when it's gonna spring on you, but yeah, you

1794
01:25:29,452 --> 01:25:31,652
Speaker 12: just do it and it's a great night. And it's

1795
01:25:31,772 --> 01:25:36,692
Speaker 12: and it teaches the kids a little bit of you know, yeah,

1796
01:25:36,772 --> 01:25:39,532
Speaker 12: that you can lose. It's all right to lose. You're

1797
01:25:39,532 --> 01:25:42,732
Speaker 12: gonna lose. You don't sit there and sip your and

1798
01:25:42,893 --> 01:25:46,053
Speaker 12: characters the next person, you know, And and and I

1799
01:25:46,093 --> 01:25:48,813
Speaker 12: think that's where the difference on Monopoly comes. A Monopoly

1800
01:25:48,893 --> 01:25:52,452
Speaker 12: really kind of screws it to you and lots of

1801
01:25:52,492 --> 01:25:55,612
Speaker 12: different ways. And kids don't get it, and they just

1802
01:25:55,652 --> 01:25:57,892
Speaker 12: want to play the game. And if they lose playing

1803
01:25:57,933 --> 01:26:00,372
Speaker 12: stakes and leaders, then they lose playing stakes and leaders.

1804
01:26:00,372 --> 01:26:04,452
Speaker 12: You know, it's okay, But I think monopolies a little

1805
01:26:04,492 --> 01:26:07,492
Speaker 12: bit too out of the excuse the punk out of

1806
01:26:07,532 --> 01:26:12,013
Speaker 12: the box or you know, some kids, some kids want

1807
01:26:12,173 --> 01:26:13,652
Speaker 12: you beat the banker and all that.

1808
01:26:13,692 --> 01:26:17,053
Speaker 3: But what about their Monopoly guard game, Peter, have you

1809
01:26:17,053 --> 01:26:19,133
Speaker 3: tried that? I think it's called Monopoly Go. That's a

1810
01:26:19,213 --> 01:26:21,172
Speaker 3: lot of fun. Yeah, awesome.

1811
01:26:21,492 --> 01:26:26,253
Speaker 12: And that's our away camping camping game or downtime. And

1812
01:26:26,333 --> 01:26:28,532
Speaker 12: often I sell on the counts for my daughter and

1813
01:26:28,732 --> 01:26:34,213
Speaker 12: we play UK and laugh card and you know, and yeah,

1814
01:26:34,333 --> 01:26:37,053
Speaker 12: and that happens often just to do it bus and

1815
01:26:37,973 --> 01:26:40,652
Speaker 12: so yeah, I'm all for that sort of stuff. But

1816
01:26:40,732 --> 01:26:43,852
Speaker 12: then there's some good games you can play on your

1817
01:26:43,893 --> 01:26:46,652
Speaker 12: phone as well, you know, like the music one where

1818
01:26:47,013 --> 01:26:49,652
Speaker 12: you're using your phone the place I forget what that's

1819
01:26:49,652 --> 01:26:53,253
Speaker 12: called the beat it or something can the music with

1820
01:26:53,372 --> 01:26:54,132
Speaker 12: then three seconds.

1821
01:26:54,173 --> 01:26:55,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good game.

1822
01:26:56,013 --> 01:26:59,013
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's done on the phone, so I zero problems.

1823
01:26:59,053 --> 01:27:02,492
Speaker 12: But as long as you're concentrating on the game, then

1824
01:27:02,933 --> 01:27:03,852
Speaker 12: the rest is easy.

1825
01:27:04,093 --> 01:27:06,892
Speaker 2: And talking with each other rather than you know, because

1826
01:27:06,933 --> 01:27:09,252
Speaker 2: if you're on your phone then you're just really interacting

1827
01:27:09,253 --> 01:27:11,932
Speaker 2: with yourself pretty much in the game. So it's about

1828
01:27:11,973 --> 01:27:15,732
Speaker 2: interacting with people around the table or around you know,

1829
01:27:15,772 --> 01:27:17,213
Speaker 2: around the game, outside of the game.

1830
01:27:18,093 --> 01:27:21,253
Speaker 12: Yeah, and as well you start snacks and sonars, it's

1831
01:27:21,253 --> 01:27:21,652
Speaker 12: all good.

1832
01:27:21,893 --> 01:27:28,532
Speaker 8: Yeah, the endless press chip's all good.

1833
01:27:28,933 --> 01:27:31,492
Speaker 2: Good on you, Peter, thanks for calling this. Texas says

1834
01:27:31,532 --> 01:27:33,572
Speaker 2: Monopoly got banned in our house when we were kids

1835
01:27:33,652 --> 01:27:35,772
Speaker 2: always ended up in a punch up between me and

1836
01:27:35,812 --> 01:27:39,452
Speaker 2: my brother, brothers and sisters. Dad even used to get involved.

1837
01:27:39,452 --> 01:27:41,892
Speaker 2: The final straw was when me and my older brother

1838
01:27:42,053 --> 01:27:45,333
Speaker 2: decided to team up and just target our sister. This

1839
01:27:45,372 --> 01:27:48,492
Speaker 2: is what happens. She decided to flip the board then

1840
01:27:48,572 --> 01:27:51,812
Speaker 2: frisbee it right into my brother's face, splitting his lip open.

1841
01:27:52,293 --> 01:27:55,853
Speaker 2: Mum burned the game and a drum in the backyard

1842
01:27:55,933 --> 01:27:58,892
Speaker 2: right there, and then oh, that's amazing bringing back some memories.

1843
01:27:59,013 --> 01:28:02,173
Speaker 2: That is so good. So why is monopoly? You know,

1844
01:28:02,213 --> 01:28:04,013
Speaker 2: when people think of a board game, the first one

1845
01:28:04,013 --> 01:28:06,213
Speaker 2: that comes to mind is Monopoly. But that's quite a

1846
01:28:06,253 --> 01:28:09,372
Speaker 2: punishing game. Yeah, I reckon speaks as we're saying, before

1847
01:28:09,412 --> 01:28:11,852
Speaker 2: people play it wrong. Yes, if you play it by

1848
01:28:11,853 --> 01:28:14,132
Speaker 2: the actual rules, then it's a at least a bit faster,

1849
01:28:14,692 --> 01:28:18,173
Speaker 2: but it's just a I don't know, there's you know,

1850
01:28:18,253 --> 01:28:20,253
Speaker 2: you make decisions, you get to the whatever going, but

1851
01:28:20,293 --> 01:28:21,852
Speaker 2: there is that what you were talking about, Tyler, where

1852
01:28:21,893 --> 01:28:23,972
Speaker 2: you just eventually get blared out.

1853
01:28:24,333 --> 01:28:26,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a slow death. It is a massively slow

1854
01:28:26,893 --> 01:28:29,932
Speaker 3: death and you can't escape it. Sun A, how are.

1855
01:28:29,772 --> 01:28:31,572
Speaker 1: You hi there?

1856
01:28:31,772 --> 01:28:32,852
Speaker 4: I'm good, Thanks and to you.

1857
01:28:33,093 --> 01:28:34,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, got nice to chat with you. So are you

1858
01:28:34,853 --> 01:28:35,732
Speaker 2: a board game player?

1859
01:28:37,532 --> 01:28:37,612
Speaker 27: So?

1860
01:28:37,812 --> 01:28:42,612
Speaker 4: I wasn't always It was once I met my partner.

1861
01:28:42,732 --> 01:28:48,213
Speaker 4: He introduced me to his type of board games. He's

1862
01:28:48,253 --> 01:28:51,412
Speaker 4: got a very he's a Lord of a Ring fan. Okay,

1863
01:28:51,933 --> 01:28:56,133
Speaker 4: of the Fellowship is his board game to play. We've

1864
01:28:56,213 --> 01:28:59,253
Speaker 4: never played it together, though we do our ever play

1865
01:28:59,372 --> 01:29:08,333
Speaker 4: blood Rage together, which is also it's basically where you

1866
01:29:08,452 --> 01:29:12,532
Speaker 4: to a strategy games where you lead to going and

1867
01:29:12,572 --> 01:29:18,093
Speaker 4: clang to glory before the world ends, and then it's

1868
01:29:18,133 --> 01:29:21,693
Speaker 4: like dudes on a map battling over but it's also

1869
01:29:22,933 --> 01:29:24,852
Speaker 4: god like you've got your cards as well.

1870
01:29:26,532 --> 01:29:28,692
Speaker 2: Is it kind of like is it kind of like risk?

1871
01:29:29,812 --> 01:29:32,612
Speaker 15: Basically? I think my partner would.

1872
01:29:32,372 --> 01:29:36,133
Speaker 4: Probably say, oh no, if it's not, you would not

1873
01:29:36,213 --> 01:29:40,052
Speaker 4: agree with my description Parliament. But it's really really good.

1874
01:29:40,173 --> 01:29:42,812
Speaker 4: And the first time that I bought it for him

1875
01:29:42,853 --> 01:29:47,012
Speaker 4: for his birth as a guest, and I actually when

1876
01:29:47,053 --> 01:29:51,173
Speaker 4: we played it the first time together, I won, and

1877
01:29:51,213 --> 01:29:53,732
Speaker 4: it was his board game that he was graving off

1878
01:29:54,053 --> 01:29:57,252
Speaker 4: about like for ages. He wanted to buy it for himself,

1879
01:29:57,732 --> 01:29:59,692
Speaker 4: and then I bought it as a birthday gift for

1880
01:29:59,772 --> 01:30:02,692
Speaker 4: him and I actually ended up beating him in the game.

1881
01:30:04,173 --> 01:30:10,612
Speaker 4: He was not very happy. No, he was just a

1882
01:30:10,692 --> 01:30:11,572
Speaker 4: very four loser.

1883
01:30:11,612 --> 01:30:12,652
Speaker 8: I had to go make.

1884
01:30:12,572 --> 01:30:13,772
Speaker 6: Us a.

1885
01:30:17,173 --> 01:30:18,092
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is glory.

1886
01:30:18,133 --> 01:30:19,932
Speaker 3: He didn't try the old eye winds easy on you?

1887
01:30:21,213 --> 01:30:23,452
Speaker 3: So again, did he try the old eye winds easier

1888
01:30:23,452 --> 01:30:23,812
Speaker 3: on you?

1889
01:30:24,372 --> 01:30:31,093
Speaker 4: Of course I do have to come out for him though,

1890
01:30:31,173 --> 01:30:34,253
Speaker 4: as afterwards we played it like three times again and

1891
01:30:34,372 --> 01:30:37,333
Speaker 4: I have not one sense, so I'm taking it easy

1892
01:30:37,372 --> 01:30:37,732
Speaker 4: on him.

1893
01:30:37,732 --> 01:30:41,532
Speaker 2: Now do you learn did did you learn something about

1894
01:30:41,572 --> 01:30:44,692
Speaker 2: your partner with the way he behaved? Did you know

1895
01:30:44,853 --> 01:30:46,812
Speaker 2: is there a greater lesson in terms of your relationship

1896
01:30:46,893 --> 01:30:48,253
Speaker 2: being played out on this board game?

1897
01:30:49,853 --> 01:30:53,013
Speaker 4: Definitely, so I did. I've well, I've learned that we

1898
01:30:53,173 --> 01:30:58,333
Speaker 4: both or four losers and very competitive. But also it's

1899
01:30:58,612 --> 01:31:01,412
Speaker 4: it's nice to so we view it every now and

1900
01:31:01,452 --> 01:31:04,732
Speaker 4: again where we just turn our fanes off and then

1901
01:31:04,772 --> 01:31:06,612
Speaker 4: it's just the two of us in a board game.

1902
01:31:07,732 --> 01:31:11,612
Speaker 4: What and then it's us bonding over it, and it's

1903
01:31:11,652 --> 01:31:15,133
Speaker 4: actually nice to see how I know, you're in a partnership,

1904
01:31:15,133 --> 01:31:16,812
Speaker 4: so you have to work as a team, but it

1905
01:31:17,013 --> 01:31:20,492
Speaker 4: actually shows that we work as a team well, and

1906
01:31:20,572 --> 01:31:22,932
Speaker 4: then we en they're together, except that it's a game

1907
01:31:22,973 --> 01:31:27,572
Speaker 4: where we play against each other like Monopoly or anything else.

1908
01:31:28,412 --> 01:31:31,253
Speaker 4: Then we don't like to lose, so it gets really

1909
01:31:31,293 --> 01:31:34,213
Speaker 4: frustrating for both of us and competitive.

1910
01:31:35,133 --> 01:31:37,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know you've got to be humble

1911
01:31:37,173 --> 01:31:40,293
Speaker 3: in defeat and humble and winning if you want to

1912
01:31:40,492 --> 01:31:42,612
Speaker 3: if you want to keep your partner playing board games.

1913
01:31:42,612 --> 01:31:45,013
Speaker 3: That was a hard lesson that I unfortunately didn't learn

1914
01:31:45,053 --> 01:31:48,173
Speaker 3: fast enough that I am quite a poor winner, and

1915
01:31:48,213 --> 01:31:50,452
Speaker 3: that means that maybe my partner doesn't want to play

1916
01:31:50,492 --> 01:31:51,452
Speaker 3: guitar with me anymore.

1917
01:31:52,893 --> 01:31:57,692
Speaker 4: That's the same with me. Now you're like, oh, I

1918
01:31:57,732 --> 01:32:00,652
Speaker 4: think they might just start them. I'm like a board

1919
01:32:00,692 --> 01:32:03,532
Speaker 4: game group and then get other people to come and

1920
01:32:03,532 --> 01:32:06,253
Speaker 4: play with us so that it's not just too hard

1921
01:32:07,213 --> 01:32:07,972
Speaker 4: against each other.

1922
01:32:08,452 --> 01:32:09,093
Speaker 20: But yeah, a.

1923
01:32:09,133 --> 01:32:12,013
Speaker 2: Game night, baby, game night, great movie by the way,

1924
01:32:12,013 --> 01:32:14,972
Speaker 2: the Jason Bateman movie Game Night, fantastic. But how much

1925
01:32:14,973 --> 01:32:17,612
Speaker 2: better is it then sitting aside beside each other on

1926
01:32:17,652 --> 01:32:20,772
Speaker 2: the couch doom scrolling where there's you know, something on

1927
01:32:20,812 --> 01:32:24,213
Speaker 2: Netflix you're not watching on I mean, how much better

1928
01:32:24,253 --> 01:32:26,452
Speaker 2: for your brain? Like when you know after that you

1929
01:32:26,452 --> 01:32:28,652
Speaker 2: don't have the same regret that you've wasted your evening

1930
01:32:28,692 --> 01:32:29,932
Speaker 2: do you with a board game?

1931
01:32:30,853 --> 01:32:31,372
Speaker 17: Not at all.

1932
01:32:31,452 --> 01:32:38,173
Speaker 4: It actually feels like we did something worthwhile, Like we yeah,

1933
01:32:38,213 --> 01:32:41,452
Speaker 4: we have a been sin to doom scroll quite often,

1934
01:32:42,253 --> 01:32:45,852
Speaker 4: and sometimes you can feel like it's needed to have

1935
01:32:46,213 --> 01:32:48,892
Speaker 4: moments like that where we just put our phones away,

1936
01:32:49,372 --> 01:32:53,333
Speaker 4: play together and well get to know each other. And

1937
01:32:53,612 --> 01:32:55,532
Speaker 4: it is a good way to get to know each

1938
01:32:55,532 --> 01:32:56,173
Speaker 4: other because you.

1939
01:32:56,093 --> 01:33:00,013
Speaker 30: Know, you learn like the way of these thinking or

1940
01:33:00,612 --> 01:33:06,333
Speaker 30: I thinking strategically, or how strategic strategical we can get.

1941
01:33:06,492 --> 01:33:09,372
Speaker 4: So, No, it's definitely much better there, and it does.

1942
01:33:10,093 --> 01:33:13,293
Speaker 15: I think it does really good for your relationship as well.

1943
01:33:14,732 --> 01:33:18,532
Speaker 15: It's because you don't always well you can be together

1944
01:33:18,532 --> 01:33:23,092
Speaker 15: and each other's yeah presents, and be on your phone together,

1945
01:33:23,133 --> 01:33:26,213
Speaker 15: but you can also play with each other, well, play

1946
01:33:26,213 --> 01:33:27,532
Speaker 15: board games with each other and.

1947
01:33:27,812 --> 01:33:28,652
Speaker 2: Play with each other as well.

1948
01:33:30,812 --> 01:33:37,652
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, definitely it does wonderful relationship to just

1949
01:33:37,732 --> 01:33:40,572
Speaker 4: take that time aside for the two of you and

1950
01:33:40,812 --> 01:33:43,213
Speaker 4: just being in the moment with the other figuring out

1951
01:33:43,333 --> 01:33:45,612
Speaker 4: how to get on blood.

1952
01:33:47,893 --> 01:33:49,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, how good. Thank you so much for your

1953
01:33:49,732 --> 01:33:51,253
Speaker 2: carl appreciate that. Yeah, what great?

1954
01:33:51,333 --> 01:33:51,492
Speaker 4: Cool.

1955
01:33:51,652 --> 01:33:53,932
Speaker 2: So that Lord of the Rings, Fate of the Fellowship.

1956
01:33:53,933 --> 01:33:56,532
Speaker 2: I've just been looking that up. That looks that's my

1957
01:33:56,652 --> 01:33:59,293
Speaker 2: kind of game right there, All the Fellowship. Yeah, you

1958
01:33:59,372 --> 01:34:03,452
Speaker 2: got yourself you know. Oh it looks full noise. Yeah,

1959
01:34:04,253 --> 01:34:06,812
Speaker 2: you've got a lot of cards there, looks complicated.

1960
01:34:06,732 --> 01:34:08,452
Speaker 3: And today, thank you very much for giving us all.

1961
01:34:08,452 --> 01:34:10,772
Speaker 3: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. So

1962
01:34:10,812 --> 01:34:12,612
Speaker 3: what board games are you playing at your home? Is

1963
01:34:12,652 --> 01:34:14,253
Speaker 3: it hard to get the kids into it? Or maybe

1964
01:34:14,333 --> 01:34:16,492
Speaker 3: the kids are loving it, are really keen to hear

1965
01:34:16,532 --> 01:34:16,772
Speaker 3: from you.

1966
01:34:16,853 --> 01:34:19,932
Speaker 2: There's a bar in Victoria Park called Dyson Fork Drinks

1967
01:34:19,973 --> 01:34:22,732
Speaker 2: and board games. It's awesome. Yeah, how good it's Dyson Fork.

1968
01:34:22,973 --> 01:34:25,133
Speaker 2: Check it out. Twenty five past three.

1969
01:34:28,973 --> 01:34:32,652
Speaker 1: Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred eighty

1970
01:34:32,692 --> 01:34:34,573
Speaker 1: ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1971
01:34:34,732 --> 01:34:37,132
Speaker 3: Twenty seven past three, and we're talking about board games.

1972
01:34:37,173 --> 01:34:39,013
Speaker 3: There seems to be a bit of a resurgence in

1973
01:34:39,093 --> 01:34:41,652
Speaker 3: board games. If that's you, what are you playing and

1974
01:34:41,853 --> 01:34:43,013
Speaker 3: is it easy to get the kids into it?

1975
01:34:43,053 --> 01:34:45,013
Speaker 2: I eatee hundred and eighty ten eighties. The number This

1976
01:34:45,372 --> 01:34:48,173
Speaker 2: whole story jumped up because of the amount of Marjong

1977
01:34:48,333 --> 01:34:50,093
Speaker 2: that's being played. All of a sudden, I've just come

1978
01:34:50,133 --> 01:34:53,132
Speaker 2: home from playing Marjong's is dead. Mondays we have fourteen

1979
01:34:53,133 --> 01:34:55,772
Speaker 2: tables and start the new players on Thursdays. Today we

1980
01:34:55,812 --> 01:34:58,812
Speaker 2: had seven tables. I helped four newbies getting started. My

1981
01:34:59,652 --> 01:35:02,772
Speaker 2: grandees love at two ages ten to thirteen. I've got

1982
01:35:02,772 --> 01:35:05,612
Speaker 2: them into it dead very cool. Yeah, my parents used

1983
01:35:05,612 --> 01:35:07,293
Speaker 2: to do on a Marjong ride at home when I

1984
01:35:07,333 --> 01:35:10,532
Speaker 2: was a kid with and it's not hard to learn

1985
01:35:10,572 --> 01:35:12,293
Speaker 2: how to play marjole? Is it an easy game? I

1986
01:35:12,333 --> 01:35:17,012
Speaker 2: know nothing about Marjon, you've got the four wins right, Yeah,

1987
01:35:17,133 --> 01:35:21,293
Speaker 2: I can't remember how to play it, but there's something

1988
01:35:21,333 --> 01:35:23,692
Speaker 2: about wins in it, yeah, right, like w I N

1989
01:35:23,812 --> 01:35:25,692
Speaker 2: D S. Yeah.

1990
01:35:25,732 --> 01:35:27,213
Speaker 3: I'll look up the rules and see ifone and get

1991
01:35:27,213 --> 01:35:29,213
Speaker 3: my head around it. But taking your calls on our

1992
01:35:29,213 --> 01:35:34,412
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty eight, get a sam Hi? Okay, mate,

1993
01:35:34,772 --> 01:35:37,253
Speaker 3: how we doing very good? Can you hear what you're playing?

1994
01:35:39,333 --> 01:35:45,532
Speaker 27: The big game for me is pat Gammon, But I

1995
01:35:45,973 --> 01:35:49,492
Speaker 27: have to say I'm obsessed with Backgammon to the point

1996
01:35:49,572 --> 01:35:52,173
Speaker 27: that no one in my family will play with me.

1997
01:35:54,372 --> 01:35:57,253
Speaker 27: But having said that, board games in general, I just

1998
01:35:57,333 --> 01:36:00,932
Speaker 27: love them. We do have a game to night every

1999
01:36:00,973 --> 01:36:06,412
Speaker 27: a couple of three weeks. Yeah, kids come around. We

2000
01:36:06,572 --> 01:36:16,053
Speaker 27: play just about everything you imagine. But getting to Monopoly. Recently,

2001
01:36:16,173 --> 01:36:18,973
Speaker 27: probably about four or five months ago, my one of

2002
01:36:19,013 --> 01:36:25,253
Speaker 27: my daughters found an expansion set that you can add

2003
01:36:25,293 --> 01:36:26,293
Speaker 27: on to Monopoly.

2004
01:36:27,293 --> 01:36:29,653
Speaker 8: And it doesn't make a longer game.

2005
01:36:30,173 --> 01:36:35,492
Speaker 27: Changes the game so much, it just makes it ridiculously fun.

2006
01:36:36,253 --> 01:36:38,572
Speaker 2: Right, So what are the differences.

2007
01:36:39,013 --> 01:36:43,932
Speaker 27: We had stopped? My family wouldn't play Monopoly with me either,

2008
01:36:44,213 --> 01:36:46,772
Speaker 27: because I was a stickler for the auctioning and all

2009
01:36:46,812 --> 01:36:50,372
Speaker 27: the other bits and pieces. But with this one with

2010
01:36:50,893 --> 01:36:53,612
Speaker 27: there are three expansions. One of them is called the

2011
01:36:53,772 --> 01:36:58,892
Speaker 27: jail expansion. So when you go past go you collect

2012
01:36:58,893 --> 01:37:03,452
Speaker 27: two hundred dollars. When you go past the jail, you

2013
01:37:03,532 --> 01:37:09,653
Speaker 27: collect a corruption card, and that allows you to steal properties.

2014
01:37:10,372 --> 01:37:14,173
Speaker 27: Oh wow, on some of the other plans, or frame

2015
01:37:14,333 --> 01:37:16,412
Speaker 27: them for crime so they get fined.

2016
01:37:17,053 --> 01:37:20,372
Speaker 12: Right, that sounds good these sorts of things.

2017
01:37:21,692 --> 01:37:26,333
Speaker 27: One of the corrupt things that you can do is

2018
01:37:27,692 --> 01:37:33,133
Speaker 27: send another player to super jail. So you've got the

2019
01:37:33,253 --> 01:37:36,492
Speaker 27: jail and the normal place and where the guy is

2020
01:37:36,572 --> 01:37:40,612
Speaker 27: that it says go to jail, and the diagonomally opposite corner.

2021
01:37:41,893 --> 01:37:44,732
Speaker 27: You set up a super jail, and when you get

2022
01:37:44,772 --> 01:37:48,173
Speaker 27: to super jail, the only way you can get out

2023
01:37:48,412 --> 01:37:54,412
Speaker 27: is to pay pay I can't remember how much three

2024
01:37:54,452 --> 01:37:57,973
Speaker 27: thousand dollars to the person that put you in jail, right,

2025
01:38:00,333 --> 01:38:03,973
Speaker 27: but every turn that you're in jail, you get a

2026
01:38:04,133 --> 01:38:10,492
Speaker 27: super corruption card. So the amount of things.

2027
01:38:10,492 --> 01:38:14,612
Speaker 2: That sounds like, it sounds like those expansion packs break

2028
01:38:14,652 --> 01:38:17,253
Speaker 2: up the monopoly part of monopoly, because that's the problem

2029
01:38:17,452 --> 01:38:19,852
Speaker 2: as people tax down with monopoly. What happens is after

2030
01:38:19,893 --> 01:38:21,492
Speaker 2: about how you can tell who's going to win and

2031
01:38:21,532 --> 01:38:24,133
Speaker 2: it's just bleeding the other people out right, So that's

2032
01:38:24,213 --> 01:38:28,772
Speaker 2: this offers you opportunities to change that script when it

2033
01:38:28,812 --> 01:38:30,133
Speaker 2: starts that way, Am I right?

2034
01:38:30,492 --> 01:38:32,692
Speaker 27: Very much so, very much so. And the other thing

2035
01:38:33,333 --> 01:38:37,333
Speaker 27: about it is, it's not a game that goes on

2036
01:38:37,532 --> 01:38:41,012
Speaker 27: until there's only one person left. It's as soon as

2037
01:38:41,372 --> 01:38:47,412
Speaker 27: every property is sold, the game stops and you total

2038
01:38:47,692 --> 01:38:50,293
Speaker 27: your assets, et cetera, et cetera, to see who the

2039
01:38:50,293 --> 01:38:52,972
Speaker 27: winner is. So it could be the person that's taking

2040
01:38:52,973 --> 01:38:55,732
Speaker 27: the most punishment ends up being the winner.

2041
01:38:57,333 --> 01:39:00,093
Speaker 3: I like that. So you still you're always in the game.

2042
01:39:00,133 --> 01:39:03,452
Speaker 3: There's always a chance rather than just the game right.

2043
01:39:03,293 --> 01:39:03,812
Speaker 4: To the end.

2044
01:39:04,253 --> 01:39:09,932
Speaker 27: And when my family plays games, it's it's a bit

2045
01:39:10,093 --> 01:39:12,572
Speaker 27: like whoever it was it said their brother and there

2046
01:39:13,093 --> 01:39:16,173
Speaker 27: and and then ganged up on their sister. When my

2047
01:39:16,372 --> 01:39:21,892
Speaker 27: family plays games, it's everybody gangs up on me because

2048
01:39:22,772 --> 01:39:26,292
Speaker 27: because they know how seriously I take games unfortunate.

2049
01:39:26,973 --> 01:39:27,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound like.

2050
01:39:29,652 --> 01:39:33,652
Speaker 27: Because because when when I when I win, I get

2051
01:39:33,732 --> 01:39:34,532
Speaker 27: twice as much.

2052
01:39:34,452 --> 01:39:36,652
Speaker 2: To bloat about the world.

2053
01:39:37,772 --> 01:39:40,973
Speaker 27: And and the other thing with with me and with

2054
01:39:41,133 --> 01:39:46,093
Speaker 27: games is my family knows that I do not go.

2055
01:39:46,173 --> 01:39:51,173
Speaker 2: Easy right from from from what age.

2056
01:39:51,572 --> 01:39:54,092
Speaker 27: If I'm teaching a six year old and play the game.

2057
01:39:54,253 --> 01:39:56,213
Speaker 2: You'll still destroy them.

2058
01:39:56,372 --> 01:40:01,293
Speaker 27: Yeah, most of the time. Occasionally, and if they do well,

2059
01:40:02,492 --> 01:40:05,133
Speaker 27: I can take credit in the fact that it's it's

2060
01:40:05,372 --> 01:40:06,612
Speaker 27: it's I taught them.

2061
01:40:06,853 --> 01:40:09,293
Speaker 2: I think. I think that's the way to going easy

2062
01:40:09,333 --> 01:40:11,652
Speaker 2: on your kids is not the way they have to

2063
01:40:11,732 --> 01:40:13,893
Speaker 2: It's like, it's like when my son finally beat me

2064
01:40:13,933 --> 01:40:17,732
Speaker 2: at chess. It was so meaningful him because I always

2065
01:40:17,893 --> 01:40:19,972
Speaker 2: made sure I beat him as quickly as I possibly could,

2066
01:40:20,293 --> 01:40:22,973
Speaker 2: and always went hard and as over time as he

2067
01:40:23,253 --> 01:40:25,253
Speaker 2: Now he can beat me all the time, which is disappointing,

2068
01:40:25,492 --> 01:40:29,092
Speaker 2: but that's but it was so meaningful when he finally

2069
01:40:29,133 --> 01:40:29,452
Speaker 2: beat me.

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01:40:29,973 --> 01:40:32,253
Speaker 8: So I think, stop playing.

2071
01:40:33,893 --> 01:40:35,852
Speaker 2: I'm not as skeen to play my son anymore. Actually

2072
01:40:36,213 --> 01:40:40,053
Speaker 2: proud moment, but also frustrating. Hey, thanks to you. Call Sam. Yeah, great,

2073
01:40:40,053 --> 01:40:41,932
Speaker 2: call one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

2074
01:40:42,093 --> 01:40:44,852
Speaker 3: If you're into ball games at home, what are you playing?

2075
01:40:44,893 --> 01:40:48,333
Speaker 3: There's been a bit of resurgence. MA gen rather is

2076
01:40:48,692 --> 01:40:51,612
Speaker 3: skyrocketing and popularity. So if you're into ball games at home,

2077
01:40:51,692 --> 01:40:52,892
Speaker 3: can you hear from you? I w e one hundred

2078
01:40:52,893 --> 01:40:54,892
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine

2079
01:40:54,933 --> 01:40:56,612
Speaker 3: two nine two is the text.

2080
01:40:56,572 --> 01:40:59,293
Speaker 2: The monopoly man had a monocle. We unfortunately have split

2081
01:40:59,333 --> 01:41:05,052
Speaker 2: into another crapper time multiverse. Okay, says doctor Strange. Thank

2082
01:41:05,133 --> 01:41:06,372
Speaker 2: you very much for that text.

2083
01:41:06,812 --> 01:41:09,173
Speaker 3: Headlines coming up with Jody. But when we come back,

2084
01:41:09,173 --> 01:41:10,812
Speaker 3: we're taking more of your calls. One hundred and eighty

2085
01:41:10,812 --> 01:41:13,333
Speaker 3: ten eighty set number us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jody. We're talking about board games.

2107
01:42:33,772 --> 01:42:37,253
Speaker 3: There has been a massive uptick in majong around the world.

2108
01:42:37,333 --> 01:42:39,172
Speaker 3: But if you're playing board games, what are you playing

2109
01:42:39,333 --> 01:42:41,053
Speaker 3: and is it easy to get the whole family into it?

2110
01:42:41,053 --> 01:42:43,252
Speaker 3: At one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number call

2111
01:42:43,772 --> 01:42:45,052
Speaker 3: nineteen nine two text.

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01:42:44,933 --> 01:42:47,612
Speaker 2: Best games to play our Pictionary, says Jake Digbats and

2113
01:42:47,652 --> 01:42:50,452
Speaker 2: triple Pictionary is a laugh out loud funny depending on

2114
01:42:50,492 --> 01:42:54,013
Speaker 2: how well you can draw. Jake. I played one point.

2115
01:42:54,053 --> 01:42:55,372
Speaker 2: I've never seen it again. It was like a version

2116
01:42:55,372 --> 01:42:57,612
Speaker 2: of Pictionary. It was with Lego and you had to

2117
01:42:58,412 --> 01:43:06,133
Speaker 2: make your Lego things wounders. Lego Pictionary. Yeah, I love

2118
01:43:06,173 --> 01:43:11,532
Speaker 2: board games, says Last time I played chess with my dad,

2119
01:43:11,652 --> 01:43:13,812
Speaker 2: I beat him. It was the best game I played

2120
01:43:14,253 --> 01:43:15,612
Speaker 2: him too. It was such a fluke that I bet

2121
01:43:15,692 --> 01:43:17,173
Speaker 2: him and so I've never played him again.

2122
01:43:18,093 --> 01:43:19,732
Speaker 3: Chess is a great game, but I'm terrible at it,

2123
01:43:19,772 --> 01:43:21,572
Speaker 3: and if you're not good at it, it is quite punishing

2124
01:43:21,732 --> 01:43:24,532
Speaker 3: and you can get better at it. Yes, I've started

2125
01:43:24,532 --> 01:43:26,612
Speaker 3: playing it online to try and improve. So next time

2126
01:43:26,612 --> 01:43:27,532
Speaker 3: I play a real person.

2127
01:43:27,652 --> 01:43:31,293
Speaker 2: Okay, one piece of advice, try and own the center.

2128
01:43:31,933 --> 01:43:34,372
Speaker 2: That's the mistake people make, they get they get involved

2129
01:43:34,372 --> 01:43:37,093
Speaker 2: in skirmishes out wide. Ye, try and take it up

2130
01:43:37,133 --> 01:43:39,652
Speaker 2: the guts. That's that's that's the rule number one with

2131
01:43:39,732 --> 01:43:42,333
Speaker 2: chiss that people people don't know. Take it up the guts.

2132
01:43:42,532 --> 01:43:44,652
Speaker 3: Thank you, because the last time I played it was

2133
01:43:44,933 --> 01:43:46,692
Speaker 3: sat down and it was with Mabe's cousin.

2134
01:43:46,772 --> 01:43:47,772
Speaker 2: And then the first move.

2135
01:43:47,572 --> 01:43:49,053
Speaker 3: I made was on the outside of the board that

2136
01:43:49,053 --> 01:43:53,093
Speaker 3: I put the porn couple of moves forward, and everyone around.

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01:43:52,893 --> 01:43:55,293
Speaker 2: Said, well, I haven't seen that before. He was in

2138
01:43:55,333 --> 01:43:59,333
Speaker 2: trouble at that point. Take it up the gut, take

2139
01:43:59,372 --> 01:44:03,972
Speaker 2: it up the guts, I guess. Welcome to the show. Hello, Hello, yeah,

2140
01:44:03,973 --> 01:44:05,012
Speaker 2: good mate, what are you playing?

2141
01:44:06,253 --> 01:44:12,092
Speaker 11: I played cards of hundreds of canties? Was it scum?

2142
01:44:12,772 --> 01:44:12,892
Speaker 24: Oh?

2143
01:44:13,013 --> 01:44:13,173
Speaker 16: Yep?

2144
01:44:14,173 --> 01:44:16,173
Speaker 2: Five hundred is a good game. I've recently got into that.

2145
01:44:17,492 --> 01:44:20,052
Speaker 11: Oh yes, it's kind of like a game. It's quite

2146
01:44:20,133 --> 01:44:23,612
Speaker 11: hard to understand for new people. But once want to

2147
01:44:23,652 --> 01:44:26,093
Speaker 11: get like a group of like for mates in it.

2148
01:44:26,173 --> 01:44:28,572
Speaker 11: It's actually quite fun to play. Yeah, get to do

2149
01:44:28,812 --> 01:44:32,852
Speaker 11: secret partners and everything. So also it's a bit of

2150
01:44:33,013 --> 01:44:35,412
Speaker 11: like kind of heart I'm going to beat.

2151
01:44:35,253 --> 01:44:35,732
Speaker 17: You in.

2152
01:44:40,532 --> 01:44:42,452
Speaker 3: Or fergus, you're just breaking up there a little bit.

2153
01:44:42,492 --> 01:44:43,972
Speaker 3: We might see if we can come back and steady

2154
01:44:44,013 --> 01:44:44,452
Speaker 3: that line.

2155
01:44:44,572 --> 01:44:49,173
Speaker 2: It's interesting cards because that's such a so much fun

2156
01:44:49,213 --> 01:44:53,293
Speaker 2: to be had with a pack of cards and so transportable.

2157
01:44:53,372 --> 01:44:55,892
Speaker 2: But if you sit down and you know, games, teach games, whatever,

2158
01:44:56,133 --> 01:44:58,732
Speaker 2: cred able, that's a fun, right. Yeah. I saw this

2159
01:44:58,812 --> 01:45:02,452
Speaker 2: documentary on cards and you know, they were first I

2160
01:45:02,572 --> 01:45:05,452
Speaker 2: believe they sort of originated originated around the nineteenth century.

2161
01:45:05,812 --> 01:45:08,732
Speaker 2: But it's really interesting when you look through how each

2162
01:45:08,853 --> 01:45:14,253
Speaker 2: card generated over the years and all the suits came about.

2163
01:45:14,772 --> 01:45:16,173
Speaker 2: But it used to be that if you had a

2164
01:45:16,213 --> 01:45:18,973
Speaker 2: pack of cards, that was an incredible valuable thing that

2165
01:45:19,213 --> 01:45:21,452
Speaker 2: they were. You know, you'd keep that for life. Yeah,

2166
01:45:21,572 --> 01:45:26,772
Speaker 2: our cards was such a valuable piece of entertainment technology. Basically, Yeah,

2167
01:45:27,093 --> 01:45:30,133
Speaker 2: generational cards to have these cards drawn up to play

2168
01:45:30,213 --> 01:45:34,452
Speaker 2: with you know, they'll be generational. Yeah, Rory, how are

2169
01:45:34,532 --> 01:45:36,133
Speaker 2: you good?

2170
01:45:37,013 --> 01:45:37,293
Speaker 15: And what.

2171
01:45:38,812 --> 01:45:39,013
Speaker 8: Are you?

2172
01:45:39,173 --> 01:45:40,932
Speaker 2: Nice to have a chat with you. So what I've

2173
01:45:41,013 --> 01:45:44,053
Speaker 2: just got here in my little notes heaster, is that

2174
01:45:44,133 --> 01:45:47,173
Speaker 2: the ball game you'll play? Yeah, so how do you

2175
01:45:47,213 --> 01:45:47,492
Speaker 2: play that?

2176
01:45:49,173 --> 01:45:52,532
Speaker 28: So what it is is you get a stack of

2177
01:45:52,652 --> 01:45:56,652
Speaker 28: cards and it's got a qw R codes on one side,

2178
01:45:57,572 --> 01:45:59,692
Speaker 28: so you need to have a phone with you, right,

2179
01:46:01,053 --> 01:46:02,452
Speaker 28: it's Scott on the back of them.

2180
01:46:02,652 --> 01:46:06,972
Speaker 31: It's Scott the name artists and year of popular songs

2181
01:46:07,293 --> 01:46:11,973
Speaker 31: ranging from twenty twenties back to the thirties. And what

2182
01:46:12,093 --> 01:46:15,053
Speaker 31: you do is you scan the QR code and then

2183
01:46:15,093 --> 01:46:19,492
Speaker 31: you've got to guest the year of the song, and

2184
01:46:19,572 --> 01:46:22,412
Speaker 31: then you you kind of put it into a timeline

2185
01:46:23,213 --> 01:46:26,333
Speaker 31: and then yeah, and you get bonus points if you

2186
01:46:26,372 --> 01:46:29,333
Speaker 31: can name the artists in the name of the song

2187
01:46:29,412 --> 01:46:30,852
Speaker 31: as well. But the main name is you have to

2188
01:46:30,893 --> 01:46:32,652
Speaker 31: get the year and you've kind of put them in

2189
01:46:32,772 --> 01:46:35,133
Speaker 31: and the more cards you get, more difficult it is

2190
01:46:35,213 --> 01:46:36,652
Speaker 31: to put them in between the years.

2191
01:46:37,692 --> 01:46:39,932
Speaker 3: That sounds brilliant. I'm just watching a wee video of it. Now,

2192
01:46:40,013 --> 01:46:42,333
Speaker 3: that's quite a modern game. I take it Rory.

2193
01:46:42,692 --> 01:46:45,972
Speaker 28: Yeah, I'd say it's pretty new, but it's good fun.

2194
01:46:47,133 --> 01:46:47,892
Speaker 2: How often do you win?

2195
01:46:49,612 --> 01:46:52,492
Speaker 28: Oh, not too shabby into your music.

2196
01:46:56,812 --> 01:46:58,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll look that up, Hitster. I'm just having to

2197
01:46:58,572 --> 01:47:01,652
Speaker 2: look at the game right now. Yeah, it looks cool.

2198
01:47:01,692 --> 01:47:03,492
Speaker 2: You'd be good at that. Matt, thank you, good at it?

2199
01:47:03,572 --> 01:47:06,372
Speaker 2: Thank you? Tyler? Yeah, he thank you for you call Rory.

2200
01:47:06,452 --> 01:47:08,293
Speaker 2: The stick says Hey, Matt and Tyler. We used to

2201
01:47:08,452 --> 01:47:10,253
Speaker 2: play ball games with our children when they were younger.

2202
01:47:10,333 --> 01:47:12,452
Speaker 2: Now that they're adults, they still get together once a

2203
01:47:12,492 --> 01:47:15,852
Speaker 2: week Slash Fortnite for games nights with their friends. How

2204
01:47:15,933 --> 01:47:18,572
Speaker 2: bloody wholesome? There are so many that was me to

2205
01:47:18,652 --> 01:47:21,372
Speaker 2: add the bloody wholesome, wasn't the texture? There are so

2206
01:47:21,452 --> 01:47:24,293
Speaker 2: many options for games now other than Monopoly. There's some

2207
01:47:24,532 --> 01:47:28,212
Speaker 2: really great hidden identity games such as One Night, Ultimate Werewolf,

2208
01:47:28,812 --> 01:47:31,612
Speaker 2: Secret Hitler, and Blood on the clock Tower. A lot

2209
01:47:31,612 --> 01:47:34,093
Speaker 2: of people are texting about Blood on the clock Tower. Yeah,

2210
01:47:34,133 --> 01:47:34,892
Speaker 2: and I had no idea.

2211
01:47:35,013 --> 01:47:38,572
Speaker 3: Someone mentioned Dyson Fork, this great cafe that you can

2212
01:47:38,612 --> 01:47:40,173
Speaker 3: play games, and so they've got the Blood on the

2213
01:47:40,213 --> 01:47:43,612
Speaker 3: clock Tower night sounds amazing. I'm just from reading it.

2214
01:47:43,812 --> 01:47:46,973
Speaker 3: It sounds like Secret Hitler slash Mafia. But if you're

2215
01:47:47,013 --> 01:47:49,333
Speaker 3: into Blood on the clock Tower, they put it up

2216
01:47:49,333 --> 01:47:51,613
Speaker 3: there with Dungeons and Dragons in terms of its popularity.

2217
01:47:51,692 --> 01:47:53,732
Speaker 2: Wow, it's a really fun way to spend time together,

2218
01:47:53,853 --> 01:47:56,572
Speaker 2: make new friends. Also great exercise for the brain. Cheap

2219
01:47:56,612 --> 01:47:59,812
Speaker 2: and fun entertainment, says Linda. Yeah, D and D is

2220
01:47:59,853 --> 01:48:02,452
Speaker 2: good game. I'm getting my friends around for a bit

2221
01:48:02,492 --> 01:48:04,213
Speaker 2: of a D and D session. Is it hard?

2222
01:48:04,532 --> 01:48:04,572
Speaker 27: No?

2223
01:48:05,213 --> 01:48:08,013
Speaker 2: Wow, it's a it's all about the dungeon master. Yeah

2224
01:48:08,412 --> 01:48:10,093
Speaker 2: that guy, yeah or girl.

2225
01:48:10,333 --> 01:48:10,492
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2226
01:48:10,532 --> 01:48:12,293
Speaker 2: The thing about the dungeon master is they're playing a

2227
01:48:12,492 --> 01:48:14,293
Speaker 2: very different thing. So if you don't have a dungeon Master,

2228
01:48:14,412 --> 01:48:15,812
Speaker 2: then you don't really have a game. Yeah.

2229
01:48:15,973 --> 01:48:18,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the

2230
01:48:18,173 --> 01:48:20,732
Speaker 3: number to call. It is sixteen to four.

2231
01:48:20,893 --> 01:48:24,293
Speaker 1: We will be back for shortly, Matt Heath and Taylor

2232
01:48:24,372 --> 01:48:27,892
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty

2233
01:48:28,532 --> 01:48:31,652
Speaker 1: with Scoda. Can you crack the code? Please? Scoda codes

2234
01:48:31,772 --> 01:48:33,133
Speaker 1: every day news dogs.

2235
01:48:33,133 --> 01:48:36,132
Speaker 3: They'd be fourteen to four. We're talking about board games.

2236
01:48:36,173 --> 01:48:38,213
Speaker 3: Do you know the original suits and board games were

2237
01:48:38,293 --> 01:48:43,492
Speaker 3: cup swords, coins and batons, right, but hearts diamonds clubs

2238
01:48:43,692 --> 01:48:47,692
Speaker 3: and spades, right, hearts mean the clergy, Yes, represent the clergy,

2239
01:48:47,812 --> 01:48:53,092
Speaker 3: diamonds represent They're all parts of the economy, so French

2240
01:48:53,213 --> 01:48:58,333
Speaker 3: economy yep, medieval French economy. Hearts the clergy, diamonds are wealth,

2241
01:48:58,412 --> 01:49:02,813
Speaker 3: clubs are peasants slash work, and spades are the nobilitary

2242
01:49:03,173 --> 01:49:04,253
Speaker 3: nobility in military.

2243
01:49:04,412 --> 01:49:06,133
Speaker 2: Right did you know that? I did not know that.

2244
01:49:06,253 --> 01:49:10,853
Speaker 2: That is fascinating. Yeah, I sure. Why each one represents

2245
01:49:10,893 --> 01:49:14,532
Speaker 2: each is the reason why I think spades was originally

2246
01:49:15,293 --> 01:49:19,412
Speaker 2: the arrowhead, yes, the spearhead, and then people just started

2247
01:49:19,452 --> 01:49:21,293
Speaker 2: calling it spades because they were confused. I think it's

2248
01:49:21,333 --> 01:49:22,452
Speaker 2: a translation from the French.

2249
01:49:22,572 --> 01:49:24,213
Speaker 3: But it makes sense to the hierarchy because in a

2250
01:49:24,253 --> 01:49:26,213
Speaker 3: lot of games is a hierarchy between the suits, and

2251
01:49:26,293 --> 01:49:29,652
Speaker 3: it's usually hearts, diamonds, spades, clubs.

2252
01:49:30,333 --> 01:49:32,213
Speaker 2: Right, you'd think that spades would be at the top

2253
01:49:32,853 --> 01:49:35,213
Speaker 2: the hearts then anyway, it doesn't matter. Yeah, all right,

2254
01:49:35,452 --> 01:49:37,772
Speaker 2: interesting interesting, Yeah, but if you've ever look up the

2255
01:49:37,893 --> 01:49:40,492
Speaker 2: history of playing cards, because you just take them for

2256
01:49:40,532 --> 01:49:42,133
Speaker 2: granted because you've seen in my whole life, but it's

2257
01:49:42,372 --> 01:49:45,133
Speaker 2: very very interesting how the decisions were made as what

2258
01:49:45,293 --> 01:49:47,692
Speaker 2: each bit represents. Welcome to the show term. You're a

2259
01:49:47,732 --> 01:49:48,572
Speaker 2: board game designer?

2260
01:49:49,692 --> 01:49:49,892
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2261
01:49:49,973 --> 01:49:52,173
Speaker 2: Sorry, Phil, oh Phil good? Phil?

2262
01:49:52,652 --> 01:49:54,132
Speaker 12: Ye, yep, I am indeed.

2263
01:49:55,013 --> 01:50:00,572
Speaker 32: Yeah. I've designed a bunch of tabletop games and currently

2264
01:50:00,692 --> 01:50:02,293
Speaker 32: working on one that I'm hoping to kick starts in

2265
01:50:02,412 --> 01:50:07,412
Speaker 32: youly called Angels one Six Angel Angels Won Six Angels

2266
01:50:07,492 --> 01:50:09,293
Speaker 32: World War two dog fighting game.

2267
01:50:09,532 --> 01:50:12,652
Speaker 2: Right, And how do you go about designing a game?

2268
01:50:12,772 --> 01:50:14,852
Speaker 2: Do you have the mechanism first or do you have

2269
01:50:14,973 --> 01:50:18,612
Speaker 2: the theme first? You know, the playing side of it,

2270
01:50:18,692 --> 01:50:19,012
Speaker 2: the rules.

2271
01:50:19,093 --> 01:50:23,253
Speaker 32: For me, it's the story first, right. I mostly work

2272
01:50:23,333 --> 01:50:27,412
Speaker 32: on history based games, or sometimes on IP based games

2273
01:50:27,492 --> 01:50:31,053
Speaker 32: based on shows and things, yep. And so yeah, what's

2274
01:50:31,093 --> 01:50:33,053
Speaker 32: the story I want to tell? And then how can

2275
01:50:33,133 --> 01:50:35,093
Speaker 32: I make a mechanism that will do that?

2276
01:50:35,732 --> 01:50:37,532
Speaker 2: And how much do you have to play the game

2277
01:50:37,572 --> 01:50:40,612
Speaker 2: before it can go out into the world, Because imagine

2278
01:50:40,612 --> 01:50:43,652
Speaker 2: you'd have to test those mechanisms pretty robustly.

2279
01:50:45,772 --> 01:50:50,013
Speaker 32: Both more and less than you'd think, right, you never

2280
01:50:50,093 --> 01:50:56,412
Speaker 32: get enough testing. But yeah, if you focus the testing

2281
01:50:57,572 --> 01:51:02,572
Speaker 32: and have a good I mean, I'm a mathematician by training,

2282
01:51:02,772 --> 01:51:06,493
Speaker 32: so that helps I know what's likely to work mathematically,

2283
01:51:06,652 --> 01:51:10,253
Speaker 32: and so it's really a matter of testing. What happens

2284
01:51:10,293 --> 01:51:15,692
Speaker 32: when people make decisions, right, So are they making decisions

2285
01:51:15,772 --> 01:51:17,732
Speaker 32: that will lead them down the story that I'm trying

2286
01:51:17,772 --> 01:51:18,532
Speaker 32: to get them to tell?

2287
01:51:19,333 --> 01:51:21,333
Speaker 2: And do you make a version of it sort of

2288
01:51:21,452 --> 01:51:25,412
Speaker 2: roughly out of paper and cardboard before it gets printed?

2289
01:51:26,133 --> 01:51:26,253
Speaker 1: Oh?

2290
01:51:26,372 --> 01:51:31,652
Speaker 32: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, you need that for testing and so forth,

2291
01:51:31,692 --> 01:51:37,932
Speaker 32: and usually there's a lot of changes and updates and things. Yeah,

2292
01:51:39,093 --> 01:51:41,052
Speaker 32: it's a years long process.

2293
01:51:42,732 --> 01:51:45,093
Speaker 2: And even describing the rules must be a really hard

2294
01:51:45,173 --> 01:51:47,732
Speaker 2: part because you'll understand the mechanism feel of how to

2295
01:51:47,812 --> 01:51:50,333
Speaker 2: play it. But you know, when I get a new

2296
01:51:50,372 --> 01:51:52,732
Speaker 2: board game, I'm trying to read the rules. It's it's

2297
01:51:52,933 --> 01:51:55,772
Speaker 2: quite challenging to get your head around how a game will.

2298
01:51:56,133 --> 01:51:58,692
Speaker 2: So the writing rules to describe what you've made must

2299
01:51:58,732 --> 01:52:00,052
Speaker 2: be a big part of it as well, right.

2300
01:52:00,692 --> 01:52:01,692
Speaker 32: Oh yeah, definitely.

2301
01:52:03,412 --> 01:52:03,612
Speaker 21: Yeah.

2302
01:52:03,973 --> 01:52:07,692
Speaker 32: Over the years of doing this, yeah, I've made a

2303
01:52:07,772 --> 01:52:10,612
Speaker 32: few tricks and things, and the basics are just keep

2304
01:52:10,692 --> 01:52:15,492
Speaker 32: it really simple and clear, step by step and in

2305
01:52:15,572 --> 01:52:18,293
Speaker 32: the order people are going to need the information as

2306
01:52:18,412 --> 01:52:24,492
Speaker 32: the other of course, yeah, game's too complicated in the

2307
01:52:24,572 --> 01:52:26,532
Speaker 32: first place, then it will be hard to explain, in

2308
01:52:26,572 --> 01:52:29,093
Speaker 32: which case, find a way to make it simpler so

2309
01:52:29,173 --> 01:52:30,092
Speaker 32: it's easier to explain.

2310
01:52:30,333 --> 01:52:32,333
Speaker 3: Have you ever had anybody come back to yours say,

2311
01:52:32,532 --> 01:52:34,892
Speaker 3: we've got into this situation with your game. There's nothing

2312
01:52:34,973 --> 01:52:35,532
Speaker 3: in the rules.

2313
01:52:35,893 --> 01:52:37,892
Speaker 2: What do we do here? You know, I can't bet

2314
01:52:37,893 --> 01:52:43,572
Speaker 2: you're botomist endlessly. So how can people get hold of

2315
01:52:43,612 --> 01:52:44,492
Speaker 2: one of your games? Phil?

2316
01:52:46,372 --> 01:52:50,213
Speaker 32: Angels one Sex is available or it's going to be

2317
01:52:50,293 --> 01:52:52,772
Speaker 32: available from kickstat in July. But you can look it

2318
01:52:52,893 --> 01:52:56,812
Speaker 32: up on the web at Angelswsex dot com or on

2319
01:52:57,053 --> 01:53:02,173
Speaker 32: Facebook or Instagram. Yeah, it's the rules are on there

2320
01:53:02,893 --> 01:53:05,732
Speaker 32: you can download. But so you can cut out the

2321
01:53:05,772 --> 01:53:10,532
Speaker 32: paper version of the game and try it out, and

2322
01:53:10,812 --> 01:53:14,612
Speaker 32: we'll be demoing it at war Bed's over Wonica if

2323
01:53:14,812 --> 01:53:15,932
Speaker 32: anyone who's down that way.

2324
01:53:16,133 --> 01:53:18,692
Speaker 2: Oh brilliant. I'm just looking at the board. It's massive.

2325
01:53:21,973 --> 01:53:25,893
Speaker 32: Wow, that's just because I've got the space to do it.

2326
01:53:26,293 --> 01:53:29,173
Speaker 32: But playing on a normal tabletop, you know, you're kitchen

2327
01:53:29,253 --> 01:53:32,772
Speaker 32: table and so forth is perfectly fine. Demos worth up

2328
01:53:32,812 --> 01:53:36,093
Speaker 32: to eight or more people playing at the same time.

2329
01:53:36,652 --> 01:53:38,812
Speaker 2: That looks cool. So you've got so you've got you're

2330
01:53:38,853 --> 01:53:42,852
Speaker 2: a cockpit with you know, how far your planes can travel,

2331
01:53:43,093 --> 01:53:45,012
Speaker 2: in the amount of fuel and all that kind of stuff.

2332
01:53:45,772 --> 01:53:47,612
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that looks cool.

2333
01:53:47,692 --> 01:53:47,932
Speaker 2: Phil.

2334
01:53:48,452 --> 01:53:49,293
Speaker 1: Wow, Oh, great.

2335
01:53:49,492 --> 01:53:53,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, check it out. Everyone Angels on Angels one Sex.

2336
01:53:53,732 --> 01:53:56,492
Speaker 2: So it's written one sucks. Yeah so Angels then the

2337
01:53:56,532 --> 01:53:58,652
Speaker 2: words one sex dot com have a lot that looks wicked.

2338
01:53:58,933 --> 01:54:01,692
Speaker 2: Oh thanks for ringing, Phil, You're welcome. Good luck with

2339
01:54:01,732 --> 01:54:04,133
Speaker 2: the game Angels one Sex Battle of Britain. That looks

2340
01:54:04,133 --> 01:54:06,732
Speaker 2: really how brilliant someone who designs games and that does

2341
01:54:06,812 --> 01:54:09,652
Speaker 2: look fantastic? Right to take a break? Beg for very shortly.

2342
01:54:09,692 --> 01:54:10,932
Speaker 2: It is eight minutes to four.

2343
01:54:12,013 --> 01:54:15,372
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2344
01:54:15,732 --> 01:54:19,532
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used

2345
01:54:19,572 --> 01:54:20,133
Speaker 1: talks that'd be.

2346
01:54:21,612 --> 01:54:23,772
Speaker 2: News talks there be it is five to four. This

2347
01:54:23,933 --> 01:54:28,412
Speaker 2: Texas says, play polyconomy, you muppet, it's still goodpatunity of you.

2348
01:54:28,612 --> 01:54:29,653
Speaker 2: Do you remember polyconomy?

2349
01:54:29,812 --> 01:54:29,852
Speaker 4: No?

2350
01:54:30,053 --> 01:54:32,653
Speaker 2: So, it was like a New Zealand version of Monopoly, right,

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Speaker 2: it was a complex I only vaguely remember it from

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Speaker 2: advertisings poll economy. Someone will remember it. I'll look that

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Speaker 2: up anyway. That brings us to the end of show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening, Thanks for your texts

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Speaker 2: and calls. What a fun show. Travel Agents, Headless Lab

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Speaker 2: Humans for organ Farming. That was a great chat in

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Speaker 2: board games, the great and powerful Heather Dooples. See Allen

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Speaker 2: is up next. But right now, Tyler, why am I

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Speaker 2: playing the song Oh what a churche one night at Bangkok.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be because we had a great chat

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Speaker 3: about the uses of travel agents and why people traveling more.

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Speaker 2: Ever, I got there wrong. No, because we were talking

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Speaker 2: about board games. And this is from the musical Chess,

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Speaker 2: very good from the four soundtrack. Chess is the murray

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Speaker 2: Head absolute banger. Yeah what a tune? All right? See Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We'll be back live from lunchtime tomorrow until then. From

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Speaker 2: the Taste of Key Week.

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Speaker 33: From Tyler and I June, I am gone to be

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Speaker 33: the winners did the older manyesta terrebral fingers. This scripts

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Speaker 33: me more than what a muddy old river or reclining buddher.

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Speaker 2: Thank God, I'm only.

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Speaker 1: Watching the game, controlling it.

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Speaker 33: I don't see you guys rating the kind of me

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Speaker 33: I'm contemplating. I bet you watch I would avite you,

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Speaker 33: but the Queen's we use would not excite you.

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Speaker 2: So were a better Go back to.

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Speaker 1: Your bars, temples, your massage.

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Speaker 17: God.

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